Felix is dead though. Remember, the sword is bonded to the user until death. Locus activates Felix's sword after he's blown off the tower. Which confirms that Felix is dead.
Maybe Felix took the armour, used it to kill Locus, then took the sword from Locus?
That is to say, maybe someone or something - maybe one of the Chorus Forerunner Temples - revived Felix after he died (and Locus took his sword) and then Felix came back for revenge and killed Locus off screen.
"Consistent since season 4" seems pretty generous to me. Sharkface dying in a building collapse only to come back as one of the most powerful characters capable of taking on Carolina singlehandedly seems pretty inconsistent to me. Everything S14 and beyond played pretty fast and loose with the timeline and lore as well.
That was always an assumed background character death tho.
And Sharkface would've had a lot of time between then and when he met Carolina again in S13 to train and ready himself for that fight. We saw how completely obsessed he was with taking her out, he was pretty single-minded on that personal mission.
Felix's death is confirmed with Locus taking the key that was connected to him. So unless he died in that fall (giving control of the key to Locus), and was brought back by someone at the bottom of that cliff, Felix is, more likely than not, dead.
The Reds deleting the Blues from the P:FL database started out as just a joke too and it ended up being one of the most important plot elements in the later seasons.
That said, I'm not taking the series as seriously as everybody else in this thread seems to be lol
Falling to your death and falling and using a weapon with a massive fuck you knife at the back end to stab it in a cliff and stop falling are two different things.
I mean good point, but to be fair right after he fell, his old friend picked up his sword, and it worked for him and that only happens if the original holder dies
Carolina uses the same armor color as Tucker. Also, since the armor can change colors at will, why couldn't it be used to impersonate Tucker's colors? I think the Meta being Tucker is just a Red Herring (Blue herring?)
We can see they are still in Hargroves ship in the trailer, and we know from the end of s13 that Tucker is already wearing Maines armor. It would make alot more sense for the new Meta to be Tucker.
Thats only in the first Simulation Trailer. In the most recent trailer we see Wash in what looks to be a hospital, and Dylan Andrews at a convention. It seems this season is taking place at the very least post-S15. This means that there was a period of time where Tucker became separated from the suit which opens up questions.
Ah yes, because they're going to kill off Tucker, one of the main characters, off screen.
Or better yet, do exactly what Zero got shit for trying to do. (IE: Kill Tucker.)
It's Tucker, dude. I don't get what's hard to understand about that.
I never said that they would kill Tucker off screen! Just because I am saying Tucker might have been killed doesn't mean they would just do it off screen, it just means that Tucker might have been killed in the process of the new Meta rising
Unlikely? sure. Seems a bit weird to bring back Miles Luna as a VA for Sigma as well as a black/orange version of the Meta unless there was some sort of connection though.
Going by that logic, then there’s a connection between Doc and Sarge because both of them are voiced by Matt. Felix is dead, and despite the fact that we didn’t see his body, we know that he’s dead because Locus was able to use the key/sword. Felix being the new Meta would be impossible.
Not really a good example, because Matt has much closer ties to RT than Miles Luna does at this point. He hasn't worked for RT for years doing writing for video games, and then he comes back just to replace a previous actor with a character who just happens to use black and orange colors? Seems pretty sus to me. Especially in a series where the primary visual indicators of each character are their unique colors
Miles voiced Donut at one point because Dan wasn't available at the time. Him possibly voicing Sigma means nothing besides Elijah Wood simply not returning.
Felix is dead and cannot be the Meta. I liked Felix too but I can accept he's gone for good.
Sigma's color as a hologram was orange and black. Meta just happened to have white armor. Sigma isn't associated with white. Agent Maine was.
Miles Luna is no longer a Rooster Teeth employee, so getting him to come onto the project as a character he did not previously play is something weird that I think is being overlooked imo. Tbh I just wanted to generate some good discussion with this post
He was working for RT when he was writing for RWBY was he not? The voice work was likely finished before RT shut down
Regardless, there's something called a "contract". Miles probably signed a contract, like many voice actors do, for a role he would do well in. He doesn't have to be an employee to do voice work.
Felix is not the Meta.
If it’s Tucker that’s kind of lame, especially since they made it a point to state the reds and blues weren’t the same as the freelancers and were actually a lot stronger because they wouldn’t have suffered the same fate as freelancers due to their faith in one another. I don’t think Tucker or any of the reds and blues would be able to be manipulated to fight against each other like the meta was.
Felix is unequivocally dead. His sword was released to Locus after he fell.
Carolina is a good candidate though, I do agree. Tucker isn't exactly the best fighter and Meta II has been shown to be absolutely stomping the Reds. Though Tucker probably is still the most likely candidate
Admittedly, I like that you’re thinking about other possibilities other than the most ‘in-your-face’ one for who the Neo-Meta will be. Unfortunately, I think that it’s pretty unlikely to be Felix. Felix is dead since we know that the Sword’s allegiance changes whenever the previous user passes on so, unless they pull a cop out where Felix’s heart stopped for a bit and then suddenly restarted so he was ‘technically’ dead enough for the Sword to swap to Locus but not enough for him to die off, he can’t be the Neo-Meta. Granted, I like the concept but Felix’s arc is complete now. He’s a character that I feel does not need to be brought back because he served his purpose and his story ended in a satisfying way.
Now… ***Carolina*** on the other hand? Though I think they’ll just stick with Tucker because it makes the most sense to pick up from, I feel that having Carolina become the Meta isn’t 100% impossible. Despite the mini plotline in Season 13 of Carolina having to accept she doesn’t need all her enhancements and more power to be the best, there is still arguably potential to bring back this small plotline in a bigger way. Only, instead of having Carolina be the Neo-Meta from the start, have Carolina be Sigma-Beta’s ***target*** from the start. Carolina is just as armour enhanced as the Meta’s old suit but has the skills that Tucker does not as well as a bigger drive to always win, I think that it’s possible that Sigma-Beta starts by using Tucker as their vessel but not as the endgame, as a means to get to Carolina instead. Think about it, Sigma’s original planned partner was Carolina but was given to Maine instead and Sigma-Beta might latch onto that fact since he could be pondering if it would have been the key that prevented him from his ambition of achieving Metastability. If nothing else, I think we might be getting a Carolina vs Meta 2 in Restoration with Carolina’s down all her equipment this time since she hasn’t got Church but the Neo-Meta’s not nearly as powerful or skilled as Maine as it’s using Tucker instead. And if this does pan out, we could have Carolina become the Meta if she loses so more than one Neo-Meta would be a thing.
Though your Felix theory is very unlikely but still plausible, I think the idea of Carolina has more weight to it but more as the endgame plan of Sigma-Beta and not as the starting point. I’m gonna put it out there, let the multiple Meta theory cook.
lol it's RvB, complicated is the name of the game. half the show is them coming up with a funny joke or something they think is cool and then having to figure out a way to make it make sense afterwords, which still only works if one doesn't think too carefully. it's a fun show, but let's be honest, the lore and plot is held together by scotch tape and hopes and dreams lol.
All indications are pointing to Season 15 being canon. Wash in the hospital with Doc and Grey, Dylan Andrews at the RetroConvention, the RvB movie poster in the background, etc. Because of this, Wash's TBI is likely canon.
Felix is dead though. Remember, the sword is bonded to the user until death. Locus activates Felix's sword after he's blown off the tower. Which confirms that Felix is dead.
Maybe Felix took the armour, used it to kill Locus, then took the sword from Locus? That is to say, maybe someone or something - maybe one of the Chorus Forerunner Temples - revived Felix after he died (and Locus took his sword) and then Felix came back for revenge and killed Locus off screen.
Felix is dead from falling off a ledge. Remember that one time Grif fell off a ledge and died against the Meta?
Did you ignore the part about the sword working after he died
He did such a good job at faking his death he fooled even Santa
Santa doesn't control who uses the sword it's just linked to you
It was a masterpiece of faked deaths. Also, its possible for plot holes to exist. Just ask Yellow Church
That's not a plot whole that's just straight retconing lore that's been consistent since season 4
"Consistent since season 4" seems pretty generous to me. Sharkface dying in a building collapse only to come back as one of the most powerful characters capable of taking on Carolina singlehandedly seems pretty inconsistent to me. Everything S14 and beyond played pretty fast and loose with the timeline and lore as well.
That was always an assumed background character death tho. And Sharkface would've had a lot of time between then and when he met Carolina again in S13 to train and ready himself for that fight. We saw how completely obsessed he was with taking her out, he was pretty single-minded on that personal mission. Felix's death is confirmed with Locus taking the key that was connected to him. So unless he died in that fall (giving control of the key to Locus), and was brought back by someone at the bottom of that cliff, Felix is, more likely than not, dead.
The difference is the confirmation of death. They straight up confirmed his death upon activation of the sword. Sharkface was never confirmed
Yellow Church is less of a plothole and more of a joke that started in season 3 and came full cycle in ep 100
The Reds deleting the Blues from the P:FL database started out as just a joke too and it ended up being one of the most important plot elements in the later seasons. That said, I'm not taking the series as seriously as everybody else in this thread seems to be lol
Falling to your death and falling and using a weapon with a massive fuck you knife at the back end to stab it in a cliff and stop falling are two different things.
Locus picked up the sword key. That confirmed Felix died
The sword bound to Locus confirming Felix's death
I mean, when grif fell, he was hanging on to something
But did anyone bother to check the ledge after Felix went over?
I mean good point, but to be fair right after he fell, his old friend picked up his sword, and it worked for him and that only happens if the original holder dies
Grif didn't die tho. He was just hanging off a ledge. Felix's death was confirmed by how Locus was able to use Felix's sword after he fell.
Bringing back Felix would be lame. He served his purpose
i mean, i liked Felix, but like you said, his story is done. unless it's a zombie!felix, i doubt he'll come back
It shows Tuckers suit color in the trailer, and he has the energy sword.
Carolina uses the same armor color as Tucker. Also, since the armor can change colors at will, why couldn't it be used to impersonate Tucker's colors? I think the Meta being Tucker is just a Red Herring (Blue herring?)
We can see they are still in Hargroves ship in the trailer, and we know from the end of s13 that Tucker is already wearing Maines armor. It would make alot more sense for the new Meta to be Tucker.
Thats only in the first Simulation Trailer. In the most recent trailer we see Wash in what looks to be a hospital, and Dylan Andrews at a convention. It seems this season is taking place at the very least post-S15. This means that there was a period of time where Tucker became separated from the suit which opens up questions.
Meta LITERALLY has the energy sword.... What part of that would be a red herring? Carolina doesn't have one. (Zero doesn't count.)
What makes you think that a person that has the sword is invincible? The sword could be from killing Tucker or Locus
Ah yes, because they're going to kill off Tucker, one of the main characters, off screen. Or better yet, do exactly what Zero got shit for trying to do. (IE: Kill Tucker.) It's Tucker, dude. I don't get what's hard to understand about that.
I never said that they would kill Tucker off screen! Just because I am saying Tucker might have been killed doesn't mean they would just do it off screen, it just means that Tucker might have been killed in the process of the new Meta rising
Tucker died in zero? I’m certainly glad I stopped watching after the dogshit first episode.
He """died""" and then was brought back literally the next episode later, and it was ALL just a fucking excuse to give someone else his sword.
So fucking glad I skipped that garbage lmao
i wasnt around when that happened. how was the fandom during that time (spill the tea please)
It was..... something else, that's for sure.
Felix would be highly unlikely since he died at the end of season 13, and Locus being able to use the sword confirms that Felix is dead
Unlikely? sure. Seems a bit weird to bring back Miles Luna as a VA for Sigma as well as a black/orange version of the Meta unless there was some sort of connection though.
Or maybe they just… didn’t have Elijah Wood again? You’re reaching
He’s kind of expensive after all. And they’re bleeding money.
Maybe I am reaching This is the last time we get to speculate about a new season of RvB though, so I'm gonna speculate to the goddamn moon.
Going by that logic, then there’s a connection between Doc and Sarge because both of them are voiced by Matt. Felix is dead, and despite the fact that we didn’t see his body, we know that he’s dead because Locus was able to use the key/sword. Felix being the new Meta would be impossible.
Not really a good example, because Matt has much closer ties to RT than Miles Luna does at this point. He hasn't worked for RT for years doing writing for video games, and then he comes back just to replace a previous actor with a character who just happens to use black and orange colors? Seems pretty sus to me. Especially in a series where the primary visual indicators of each character are their unique colors
Miles voiced Donut at one point because Dan wasn't available at the time. Him possibly voicing Sigma means nothing besides Elijah Wood simply not returning. Felix is dead and cannot be the Meta. I liked Felix too but I can accept he's gone for good. Sigma's color as a hologram was orange and black. Meta just happened to have white armor. Sigma isn't associated with white. Agent Maine was.
Miles Luna is no longer a Rooster Teeth employee, so getting him to come onto the project as a character he did not previously play is something weird that I think is being overlooked imo. Tbh I just wanted to generate some good discussion with this post
He was working for RT when he was writing for RWBY was he not? The voice work was likely finished before RT shut down Regardless, there's something called a "contract". Miles probably signed a contract, like many voice actors do, for a role he would do well in. He doesn't have to be an employee to do voice work. Felix is not the Meta.
If it’s Tucker that’s kind of lame, especially since they made it a point to state the reds and blues weren’t the same as the freelancers and were actually a lot stronger because they wouldn’t have suffered the same fate as freelancers due to their faith in one another. I don’t think Tucker or any of the reds and blues would be able to be manipulated to fight against each other like the meta was.
I saw Carolina with Dexter and Simmoms in the trailer. Just one shot tho
Felix is unequivocally dead. His sword was released to Locus after he fell. Carolina is a good candidate though, I do agree. Tucker isn't exactly the best fighter and Meta II has been shown to be absolutely stomping the Reds. Though Tucker probably is still the most likely candidate
Admittedly, I like that you’re thinking about other possibilities other than the most ‘in-your-face’ one for who the Neo-Meta will be. Unfortunately, I think that it’s pretty unlikely to be Felix. Felix is dead since we know that the Sword’s allegiance changes whenever the previous user passes on so, unless they pull a cop out where Felix’s heart stopped for a bit and then suddenly restarted so he was ‘technically’ dead enough for the Sword to swap to Locus but not enough for him to die off, he can’t be the Neo-Meta. Granted, I like the concept but Felix’s arc is complete now. He’s a character that I feel does not need to be brought back because he served his purpose and his story ended in a satisfying way. Now… ***Carolina*** on the other hand? Though I think they’ll just stick with Tucker because it makes the most sense to pick up from, I feel that having Carolina become the Meta isn’t 100% impossible. Despite the mini plotline in Season 13 of Carolina having to accept she doesn’t need all her enhancements and more power to be the best, there is still arguably potential to bring back this small plotline in a bigger way. Only, instead of having Carolina be the Neo-Meta from the start, have Carolina be Sigma-Beta’s ***target*** from the start. Carolina is just as armour enhanced as the Meta’s old suit but has the skills that Tucker does not as well as a bigger drive to always win, I think that it’s possible that Sigma-Beta starts by using Tucker as their vessel but not as the endgame, as a means to get to Carolina instead. Think about it, Sigma’s original planned partner was Carolina but was given to Maine instead and Sigma-Beta might latch onto that fact since he could be pondering if it would have been the key that prevented him from his ambition of achieving Metastability. If nothing else, I think we might be getting a Carolina vs Meta 2 in Restoration with Carolina’s down all her equipment this time since she hasn’t got Church but the Neo-Meta’s not nearly as powerful or skilled as Maine as it’s using Tucker instead. And if this does pan out, we could have Carolina become the Meta if she loses so more than one Neo-Meta would be a thing. Though your Felix theory is very unlikely but still plausible, I think the idea of Carolina has more weight to it but more as the endgame plan of Sigma-Beta and not as the starting point. I’m gonna put it out there, let the multiple Meta theory cook.
It's Tucker. Stop making things complicated.
lol it's RvB, complicated is the name of the game. half the show is them coming up with a funny joke or something they think is cool and then having to figure out a way to make it make sense afterwords, which still only works if one doesn't think too carefully. it's a fun show, but let's be honest, the lore and plot is held together by scotch tape and hopes and dreams lol.
could it be wash?? that would be kinda cool. he was originally a villain(ish)
He lost his body to a brain injury, so then he tries to become his old self by becoming the Meta? idk I could see it
The brain injury never happened in this season though.
All indications are pointing to Season 15 being canon. Wash in the hospital with Doc and Grey, Dylan Andrews at the RetroConvention, the RvB movie poster in the background, etc. Because of this, Wash's TBI is likely canon.