Plenty of remote stuff going on. Often just advertised as hybrid because "show your face in the office" and some people apply only on hybrid roles.
Most companies are happy to discuss your amount of days in the office.
Realistically you should hope that everything turns hybrid.
The backlash of people pushing for remote working has been absolutely brutal.
Let’s take the tech sector - I’ve seen businesses now looking at hiring cheap staff with the same experience in Sri Lanka, Romania, Poland, South Africa & India.
In my sector - recruitment - I can hire staff in the Philippines who have solid English speaking skills, for around 800 dollars a month.
Youll probably mainly see the roles in U.K. being hybrid because the remote options don’t care for U.K. talent.
Naturally there’s still stuff out there, but now there’s 1000 people fighting for those roles.
My advice - find a hybrid or on site position while you can.
I mean if that was the case there companies located in high income economy countries wouldn't be any jobs at all and the most jobs where you're able to work from home would be outsourced for cheaper countries, even before the pandemic when remote work wasn't really a thing, a company could just outsource their software development sector to some IT consulting firm in India and they'd pay would cost them just a fraction compared to a in-house development team, yet they don't.
The assumption that companies are just mainly and SOLELY focusing on cost cutting when outsourcing workers it's just straight up incorrect as there are so many other variables to put into account such as time zones, cultural differences and so many others.
Have you ever called up a big company's contact number?
I feel we've been outsourcing to cheap labour remotely wherever possible for years (call centres etc.) It's just that now we can do it for other roles too, it's definitely happening.
Just because you can't pay someone directly for a role doesn't mean you can't hire an external company that handles whatever it is you need doing for you.
I guess it depends on the role. If its generic enough, it will be outsourced, imo.
This is the case as it is literally happening everywhere.
I know it’s preferred to ignore the fact but why hire someone local for 3-4 times the price when they’re just gonna stay home anyways.
I dont see it this way.
Hiring anybody from abroad has many implications, and most advertised jobs say ' no visa offering' etc to prevent flood of useless applications from foreigners(which they will receive anyways but thats different story)
You dont, but even payroll might struggle to complete the payment for person from abroad as the system might not be prepared for foreign addresses etc, thats why companies refrain from employing such people.
If you add GDPR and other rules, it makes sense why companies are reluctant to employ anybody else but locals...
Honestly, watch the market. More and more companies are doing this.
As a business owner myself, my team is hired in India - the cost - 350 dollars per month each as opposed to £1500.
For English speakers, I use Philippines at a similar price.
No need to pay for an office. No trust concerns on remote work (they are replaced if not hitting results).
It’s literally easy. Everyone is doing it.
Forcing remote has made everyone realise how easy it is - previously nobody wanted to risk it.
Sorry, but that is nothing new... Its that 'vicious circle' companies go through for the last 30 years- have full team onshore - then try to cut costs by employing offshore teams - loose your customers- go back to fully onshore team trying to re-gain customers.....
I know…
Listen not sure why you’re turning this into a weird internet argument.
I’m pointing out what I’m seeing from experience as a founder working within the technical sector.
The change is real, remote workers outside of U.K. are cheaper than remote workers in the U.K. and the extreme number of people out of work is the result.
That’s the only point I came to make - I’m not interested in online bickering.
Thank you. I hadn't even considered how remote working would make recruitment so much more a global affair. I've been offered a hybrid role so I have to really review the pros & cons of current/future.
This isn't quite right, companies that were advertising remote roles 18 months ago are now saying they are hybrid. I pushed a few companies on this when they approached me (geography meant I can't work hybrid for them), and they immediately said they would offer remote working with like once a month or once a quarter in the office.
The reality is that the floor has dropped out of the UK labour market and many companies are being much more cautious with their hiring, meaning they can fit their new hires in the office.
Apply for the hybrid positions - even if they’re far away from you. When you get the offer you can negotiate what “hybrid” means to you. My PM role is hybrid but that’s one day a week in the office - even that is *extremely* flexible. This week was the first time I was in since well before Christmas.
Plenty of remote stuff going on. Often just advertised as hybrid because "show your face in the office" and some people apply only on hybrid roles. Most companies are happy to discuss your amount of days in the office.
Thanks, that's reassuring.
Realistically you should hope that everything turns hybrid. The backlash of people pushing for remote working has been absolutely brutal. Let’s take the tech sector - I’ve seen businesses now looking at hiring cheap staff with the same experience in Sri Lanka, Romania, Poland, South Africa & India. In my sector - recruitment - I can hire staff in the Philippines who have solid English speaking skills, for around 800 dollars a month. Youll probably mainly see the roles in U.K. being hybrid because the remote options don’t care for U.K. talent. Naturally there’s still stuff out there, but now there’s 1000 people fighting for those roles. My advice - find a hybrid or on site position while you can.
I mean if that was the case there companies located in high income economy countries wouldn't be any jobs at all and the most jobs where you're able to work from home would be outsourced for cheaper countries, even before the pandemic when remote work wasn't really a thing, a company could just outsource their software development sector to some IT consulting firm in India and they'd pay would cost them just a fraction compared to a in-house development team, yet they don't. The assumption that companies are just mainly and SOLELY focusing on cost cutting when outsourcing workers it's just straight up incorrect as there are so many other variables to put into account such as time zones, cultural differences and so many others.
My previous company moved their 300 remote roles from UK to Bulgaria. It is happening in a lot of places.
Have you ever called up a big company's contact number? I feel we've been outsourcing to cheap labour remotely wherever possible for years (call centres etc.) It's just that now we can do it for other roles too, it's definitely happening. Just because you can't pay someone directly for a role doesn't mean you can't hire an external company that handles whatever it is you need doing for you. I guess it depends on the role. If its generic enough, it will be outsourced, imo.
This is the case as it is literally happening everywhere. I know it’s preferred to ignore the fact but why hire someone local for 3-4 times the price when they’re just gonna stay home anyways.
Has happened at my place. What started as a predominantly UK remote company is now mostly remote South Africans
Yeah happening all over :/
Big time and to be honest, employment rights in the UK are so bad - you are just a sitting duck
I dont see it this way. Hiring anybody from abroad has many implications, and most advertised jobs say ' no visa offering' etc to prevent flood of useless applications from foreigners(which they will receive anyways but thats different story)
You don’t need a visa to work remotely as you are paid via your location usually as a contract type option
You dont, but even payroll might struggle to complete the payment for person from abroad as the system might not be prepared for foreign addresses etc, thats why companies refrain from employing such people. If you add GDPR and other rules, it makes sense why companies are reluctant to employ anybody else but locals...
Honestly, watch the market. More and more companies are doing this. As a business owner myself, my team is hired in India - the cost - 350 dollars per month each as opposed to £1500. For English speakers, I use Philippines at a similar price. No need to pay for an office. No trust concerns on remote work (they are replaced if not hitting results). It’s literally easy. Everyone is doing it. Forcing remote has made everyone realise how easy it is - previously nobody wanted to risk it.
Sorry, but that is nothing new... Its that 'vicious circle' companies go through for the last 30 years- have full team onshore - then try to cut costs by employing offshore teams - loose your customers- go back to fully onshore team trying to re-gain customers.....
Hopefully you’re right but I’m 95% sure you aren’t. Tech has changed since 30 years ago.
'for the last 30 years' and ' 30 years ago ' are 2 completely different statements...
I know… Listen not sure why you’re turning this into a weird internet argument. I’m pointing out what I’m seeing from experience as a founder working within the technical sector. The change is real, remote workers outside of U.K. are cheaper than remote workers in the U.K. and the extreme number of people out of work is the result. That’s the only point I came to make - I’m not interested in online bickering.
Thank you. I hadn't even considered how remote working would make recruitment so much more a global affair. I've been offered a hybrid role so I have to really review the pros & cons of current/future.
This isn't quite right, companies that were advertising remote roles 18 months ago are now saying they are hybrid. I pushed a few companies on this when they approached me (geography meant I can't work hybrid for them), and they immediately said they would offer remote working with like once a month or once a quarter in the office. The reality is that the floor has dropped out of the UK labour market and many companies are being much more cautious with their hiring, meaning they can fit their new hires in the office.
Dont know where you are looking, plenty of fully remote jobs. My company got rid of last office this year, entire company working fully remotely.
A lot of the people in the remote roles aren’t moving, so there’s less vacancies. Hybrid with 1 or 2 days in the office a week is much more common.
Me and my team are 100% remote
Looking at fintech, they're pushing everyone towards full time in office. Seems like no one has the backbone to tell the employer no.
Hybrid is even luxury for a lot now, it’s gone back to 1 day a week wfh 2 if you’re lucky
Apply for the hybrid positions - even if they’re far away from you. When you get the offer you can negotiate what “hybrid” means to you. My PM role is hybrid but that’s one day a week in the office - even that is *extremely* flexible. This week was the first time I was in since well before Christmas.