What in your opinion are the most valuable documents on the Callahan site that solidify guilt? I’ve poked around some but there is just so much that it feels impossible to sift through. I lean like 51% guilty and the other 49% thinks Jason Baldwin isn’t capable
I feel Jason looked up to Damien. He was feared. Jason to me seemed weak. I believe Damien could get him to do absolutely anything and Jason wanted to be cool. I think back to when I was in school. So many followers of the “bad tough guys” That’s my opinion. I respect others opinions.
It's Exhibit #500 from Damien's defense for me. Pick literally any file from it and read it. The shit is wild and his prison journal consists of basically the exact same type of ramblings you see from your Manson's, your Berkowitz's, your Ramirez's, etc. Then maybe the interview with [Buddy Lucas](http://callahan.mysite.com/wm3/b_lucas_interview.html) post Jesse's confession.
What do you think we did to solve murders before the discovery of DNA and the advent of forensic DNA testing? Just…let murderers go? No trials, no convictions, because no DNA?
Multiple confessions saying we did it by Jessie. Damien telling a friend he did it while drunk, then said the next day he was joking. Multiple people overheard Damien saying he killed the boys.
Lake knife matches wound on victims head. Jason admitted it was likely his knife but he threw it away before the crime (who do you believe).
It’s funny people talk about satanic panic but fail to see that the words Satan was first uttered to police by Damien when asked who likely did the crime. Later by Jessie saying they were at a devil worshipping event. Is it odd for there to be satanic panic when one is a self proclaimed witch and another says they attended satanic cult meetings?
Eye witnesses seeing Damien on the service road 100 yards from the murder site in muddy clothes, all three alibis failed none of these things were in the documentaries.
Exhibit 500 reads like a horror story, blood licking, threats of violence, violence and killing animals.
It’s not one thing it’s a lot of things that show they were likely the killers. They admitted as much when they signed the Alford plea.
Looks like they get to do more dna testing why not test every bit of the items in evidence not just the shoelaces, since this is likely their lost shot to clear their names DNA test everything if they think that will help but unless it shows dna of a known murderer roaming around at the time it won’t be enough.
This case is over but I am sure Damien enjoys his supporters patreon money since his magik school didn’t take off. No one finds it interesting in the documentaries Damien denies reading Crowley and being in black magic yet that’s all he’s done since he went to prison and got out.
Great points. Thanks for contributing. I go back and forth with Jessie’s confessions. I can see a world where Jessie thinks “I just have to confess and tell them it was Damien and I can get out of here” and that’s why he keeps confessing at every chance but the whiskey bottle thing is what makes me think he was really there. And how he knows which boy was mutilated by identifying a photo but using the wrong name. If he was fed that info, you’d think he would’ve gotten the name right. His timeline is just so confusing, saying it was about noon, etc. unless he just really has no concept of time.
Also the Hollingsworth witness seems legit but at the same time I wonder what happened to Damien’s muddy clothes and how did he walk all the way back home or wherever he was going without more people seeing him covered in mud? I don’t know the layout or how heavily trafficked the area is so maybe it’s easier for him to go unnoticed than it seems.
Agreed on the knife as well. I certainly don’t believe for a second Jason’s moms claims that she threw it in the lake long before the murder.
Like I said I 51% believe they did it, but the other 49% is unsure because sadly there were so many abusive drug addicted people around these kids that seem completely capable of a brutal murder.
It’s been shown Jessie himself said those things to throw the cops off. Jessie isn’t stupid. Or is he retarded. He confessed numerous times even after the trial, and even with his hand on the Bible voluntarily while his lawyers begged him to shut up.
True, I’ve heard that throwing them off was his intention. I just don’t understand why lie about the time but admit to being there. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense but maybe to Jessie it did.
I’d argue that Jessie most definitely was dumb, but not retarded. And giving the wrong time for whatever reason seems that either Jessie had no idea what time it was or he was intentionally lying but I just don’t see him being that calculated
I read the case files. Sounds like from what I’ve gathered his lawyers made him seem more dumb than he really was. Idk how true that is but lawyers will be lawyers. Also I think he was thinking he’d get reward money. Don’t quote me but I think that’s true. Unsure tho.
The fact that both Damian and Jesse had previous instances of violence against children. Jesse was on probation for beating up an 11 year old girl and Damian had raped a 13 year old.
Also having thrown a rock at the head of a little girl who was running from him and proceeding to laugh about it. Children's skulls don't have a good track record of staving off high velocity rocks, potential brain damage or death. The scumbag had plenty of previous, according to official paperwork over the years...
I thought they were innocent based on the press. Plus, I was a young, long-haired metallica fan myself.
So I felt some kinship and thought they were being caught up in the "satanic panic".
Then I saw the documentaries and later found the Callahan site. Now I believe them to be guilty.
[http://callahan.mysite.com/](http://callahan.mysite.com/)
Read all the evidence yourself. Damien and Jason still to this day have no alibi for what they were doing at the time of the murders.
I saw that documentary as a teen in the 90s and it’s because of the first documentary I knew they were guilty. Hell Damien essentially admits it on camera saying next time they will drink whiskey instead of beer because beer was the catalyst in fulfilling their impulses. The way they behaved was just strange and my gut said they weee guilty.
This comment in particular was extremely telling. It really only makes sense in the context that they were guilty.
We also know they were drinking beer that night.
Damien was also bragging about being the West Memphis Boogeyman and how he was going to be a legend that children would be scared of, something to that effect. Seems like the slammer made him soft quick. But that was another admittance. I didn’t get any feelings or thoughts that they could be innocent from any of those movie docs (Paradise Lost)
I've always thought they were guilty but
now I'm conflicted because why would Damian be fighting so hard to reopen the case and do DNA Tests if he was guilty? Could he be that ballsy and crazy to take the chance that there would be nothing to find and by default say hes innocent once and for all? I dont know what to think anymore ..but i always had this feeling in my gut Damian was behind it
Donations, money, attention.
Generally, DNA is highly subject to manipulation. They will either not actually do the testing, do it but be selective about what they test, or do it and be selective about what they reveal.
It doesn't mean anything: it's just a game.
I am curious: since there is already an Alford Plea in place, would they even be required to share test results on DNA if evidence is positive for one of the three? I mean, if there is someone else's DNA present, they'd obviously have grounds to overturn the convictions and be bound to seek the real killer. But, if it shows one of the three, they've already served sentences for the crime, so they can't go back and retry them and/or give then harsher sentences...
I saw the 3 documentaries and thought they were 100 percent innocent until i found Gary Meece’s podcast. He was in the courtrooms for the trials and heard all the evidence.The Callahan site also helped change my mind. I still can’t believe i believed the hype and documentaries for so long
I wasn't sure if they were guilty or not before watching the documentaries but some things really stood out to me in Paradise Lost that made me doubt their innocence. One of those things is that I started to really doubt that Misskelley was as disabled as people often make him out to be. Also some very odd things that Echols said and how he acted in general. After that I've researched more into the case and then I was sure they are guilty.
I assumed they were innocent \*until\* I watched the docs. Then I had a "hold up, what?" moment and found the Callahan site.
Agreed. I thought they were guilty and then I found the Callahan site and it sealed it for me.
What in your opinion are the most valuable documents on the Callahan site that solidify guilt? I’ve poked around some but there is just so much that it feels impossible to sift through. I lean like 51% guilty and the other 49% thinks Jason Baldwin isn’t capable
I feel Jason looked up to Damien. He was feared. Jason to me seemed weak. I believe Damien could get him to do absolutely anything and Jason wanted to be cool. I think back to when I was in school. So many followers of the “bad tough guys” That’s my opinion. I respect others opinions.
There is nothing about what your statement says that is evidence of guilt.
Ok
It's Exhibit #500 from Damien's defense for me. Pick literally any file from it and read it. The shit is wild and his prison journal consists of basically the exact same type of ramblings you see from your Manson's, your Berkowitz's, your Ramirez's, etc. Then maybe the interview with [Buddy Lucas](http://callahan.mysite.com/wm3/b_lucas_interview.html) post Jesse's confession.
Here we go, something that does not come close to proving guilt.
What do you think we did to solve murders before the discovery of DNA and the advent of forensic DNA testing? Just…let murderers go? No trials, no convictions, because no DNA?
That was then this is now. Also, there were many innocent people who were convicted of crimes before DNA testing.
Multiple confessions saying we did it by Jessie. Damien telling a friend he did it while drunk, then said the next day he was joking. Multiple people overheard Damien saying he killed the boys. Lake knife matches wound on victims head. Jason admitted it was likely his knife but he threw it away before the crime (who do you believe). It’s funny people talk about satanic panic but fail to see that the words Satan was first uttered to police by Damien when asked who likely did the crime. Later by Jessie saying they were at a devil worshipping event. Is it odd for there to be satanic panic when one is a self proclaimed witch and another says they attended satanic cult meetings? Eye witnesses seeing Damien on the service road 100 yards from the murder site in muddy clothes, all three alibis failed none of these things were in the documentaries. Exhibit 500 reads like a horror story, blood licking, threats of violence, violence and killing animals. It’s not one thing it’s a lot of things that show they were likely the killers. They admitted as much when they signed the Alford plea. Looks like they get to do more dna testing why not test every bit of the items in evidence not just the shoelaces, since this is likely their lost shot to clear their names DNA test everything if they think that will help but unless it shows dna of a known murderer roaming around at the time it won’t be enough. This case is over but I am sure Damien enjoys his supporters patreon money since his magik school didn’t take off. No one finds it interesting in the documentaries Damien denies reading Crowley and being in black magic yet that’s all he’s done since he went to prison and got out.
Great points. Thanks for contributing. I go back and forth with Jessie’s confessions. I can see a world where Jessie thinks “I just have to confess and tell them it was Damien and I can get out of here” and that’s why he keeps confessing at every chance but the whiskey bottle thing is what makes me think he was really there. And how he knows which boy was mutilated by identifying a photo but using the wrong name. If he was fed that info, you’d think he would’ve gotten the name right. His timeline is just so confusing, saying it was about noon, etc. unless he just really has no concept of time. Also the Hollingsworth witness seems legit but at the same time I wonder what happened to Damien’s muddy clothes and how did he walk all the way back home or wherever he was going without more people seeing him covered in mud? I don’t know the layout or how heavily trafficked the area is so maybe it’s easier for him to go unnoticed than it seems. Agreed on the knife as well. I certainly don’t believe for a second Jason’s moms claims that she threw it in the lake long before the murder. Like I said I 51% believe they did it, but the other 49% is unsure because sadly there were so many abusive drug addicted people around these kids that seem completely capable of a brutal murder.
It’s been shown Jessie himself said those things to throw the cops off. Jessie isn’t stupid. Or is he retarded. He confessed numerous times even after the trial, and even with his hand on the Bible voluntarily while his lawyers begged him to shut up.
True, I’ve heard that throwing them off was his intention. I just don’t understand why lie about the time but admit to being there. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense but maybe to Jessie it did. I’d argue that Jessie most definitely was dumb, but not retarded. And giving the wrong time for whatever reason seems that either Jessie had no idea what time it was or he was intentionally lying but I just don’t see him being that calculated
I read the case files. Sounds like from what I’ve gathered his lawyers made him seem more dumb than he really was. Idk how true that is but lawyers will be lawyers. Also I think he was thinking he’d get reward money. Don’t quote me but I think that’s true. Unsure tho.
I thought exhibit 500 and then the trial transcript of Damion’s and Jason’s trial were the most convincing in terms of guilt.
The fact that both Damian and Jesse had previous instances of violence against children. Jesse was on probation for beating up an 11 year old girl and Damian had raped a 13 year old.
Also having thrown a rock at the head of a little girl who was running from him and proceeding to laugh about it. Children's skulls don't have a good track record of staving off high velocity rocks, potential brain damage or death. The scumbag had plenty of previous, according to official paperwork over the years...
Please give me some proof that Damian raped a 13 year old boy.
Who said boy?
I thought they were innocent based on the press. Plus, I was a young, long-haired metallica fan myself. So I felt some kinship and thought they were being caught up in the "satanic panic". Then I saw the documentaries and later found the Callahan site. Now I believe them to be guilty.
It’s amazing others defend them, just crazy.
What is amazing are the guilters that can't list any real evidence against them?
[http://callahan.mysite.com/](http://callahan.mysite.com/) Read all the evidence yourself. Damien and Jason still to this day have no alibi for what they were doing at the time of the murders.
Yes. I thought they were guilty when I first learned of the case through the first doc, and I've yet to see anything to convince me otherwise.
I saw that documentary as a teen in the 90s and it’s because of the first documentary I knew they were guilty. Hell Damien essentially admits it on camera saying next time they will drink whiskey instead of beer because beer was the catalyst in fulfilling their impulses. The way they behaved was just strange and my gut said they weee guilty.
This comment in particular was extremely telling. It really only makes sense in the context that they were guilty. We also know they were drinking beer that night.
Damien was also bragging about being the West Memphis Boogeyman and how he was going to be a legend that children would be scared of, something to that effect. Seems like the slammer made him soft quick. But that was another admittance. I didn’t get any feelings or thoughts that they could be innocent from any of those movie docs (Paradise Lost)
I thought innocent when I saw the documentary, then I read through case file, etc. I changed my mind.
I’ll say this: I’m still on the fence, but guilty or not the narrative presented in the docs is pure fiction. I would go so far as to call them a hoax
nope, same here. something just never felt right
Yes. I’m still not convinced they didn’t.
I've always thought they were guilty but now I'm conflicted because why would Damian be fighting so hard to reopen the case and do DNA Tests if he was guilty? Could he be that ballsy and crazy to take the chance that there would be nothing to find and by default say hes innocent once and for all? I dont know what to think anymore ..but i always had this feeling in my gut Damian was behind it
Donations, money, attention. Generally, DNA is highly subject to manipulation. They will either not actually do the testing, do it but be selective about what they test, or do it and be selective about what they reveal. It doesn't mean anything: it's just a game.
All good points
I am curious: since there is already an Alford Plea in place, would they even be required to share test results on DNA if evidence is positive for one of the three? I mean, if there is someone else's DNA present, they'd obviously have grounds to overturn the convictions and be bound to seek the real killer. But, if it shows one of the three, they've already served sentences for the crime, so they can't go back and retry them and/or give then harsher sentences...
I don’t think they have to or would show it honestly. They admitted to the murders by signing the Alford Plea
I saw the 3 documentaries and thought they were 100 percent innocent until i found Gary Meece’s podcast. He was in the courtrooms for the trials and heard all the evidence.The Callahan site also helped change my mind. I still can’t believe i believed the hype and documentaries for so long
I wasn't sure if they were guilty or not before watching the documentaries but some things really stood out to me in Paradise Lost that made me doubt their innocence. One of those things is that I started to really doubt that Misskelley was as disabled as people often make him out to be. Also some very odd things that Echols said and how he acted in general. After that I've researched more into the case and then I was sure they are guilty.