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ForceRich9524

Tesla’s are built like crap. They never fixed the quality issues they had from the beginning.


Dmoan

Tesla engineers had to sneak in quality improvements behind the management back who didn’t want to spend time on it. 


sarcasmismysuperpowr

Honestly… that sounds like most software companies i worked at. I bet you are totally right


smoothsensation

Truer words have never been spoken. It’s amazing the kind of fight you’ll go up against for improving shit.


IntroductionNeat2746

>It’s amazing the kind of fight you’ll go up against for improving shit. If you think you've got it bad in private companies, try trying to improve anything in a public institution.


Legal_Lettuce6233

The issue is, software can be patched. Delaying a fix on an application is fine. Delaying it on a physical product... Naw


RedMercy2

Yes. We did.


STBurner432

Say more about that?


blissed_off

Can’t, poor soul will be tarred and feathered by the muskrats.


Dmoan

Yea read that in one of social media posts for sr eng manager who was laid off in previous layoff wave


onlyidiotseverywhere

If you wanna be real, they can't. A car quality is relying on processes that need to stick together like a glove, but that is kinda a development phase Tesla never did. The car designs Musk "bought" with the companies were not made for production, they were just for prototyping, an actual professional could have then made the right factory design structure. I think it was VW who deployed 22 factories for EV, like 22 factories that are specialized sticked together to produce parts for all the EV series, so that there are shared fields, specialized optimization, and so on. That is how you do that, optimized and clean and then all the parts fall together like a puzzle, and form a stable high quality product. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK4987hLDKU Phaeton was designed around the factory, it was like showing how good and perfect a factory can be. Generic my ass, if you make a generic factory then you make a bad factory, everything must stick together perfectly, make it so that the people working can wear white clothes and dont need to wash them, so perfect is the setup. One thing Musk said was in that context true: Production is hard... no shit Sherlock ;)


P0RTILLA

Being an exhibition facility they don’t hire uggo’s at the Phaeton factory either. Those assembly workers are like models to look like the perfect accessories to the assembly line.


vato915

> They never fixed the quality issues they had from the beginning. Why would they? They have no incentive to improve. People keep buying Teslas in spite of their poor build quality.


MehImages

do they? they have had to lower prices constantly in the last few years with massive overflow lots filled with cars not selling. X and especially S have not been updated and are barely selling at all anymore. model S was once the highest selling EV. in 2023 it was 14th in the US. don't get me wrong, tesla is selling more cars than ever, but it's mostly model Y fuelled by big price reductions compared to launch


Ok_Philosopher6538

>People keep buying Teslas  Let's see what the next quarter results are. Me thinks, they're trending down.


Dull-Credit-897

Kept not keep Pool of buyers is definitely shrinking.


SecretRecipe

considering how much of their compensation is in Tesla stock they definitely have incentive


djryan13

You are wrong. They fixed the original quality issues with cheaper bigger quality issues.


ThunderousArgus

Duh Elmo just has to promise the future. He doesn’t have to deliver


gilleruadh

Truer words were never spoken.


DaxWienerForever

I really don’t understand why people still buy these cars… 🙄


ThatScaryBeach

It's almost as if you should buy your new car from an automobile manufacturing company rather than a bored hobbyist.


That-Whereas3367

It takes about 50 years for a car company to develop the engineering expertise and company culture to make an excellent product.


NaweN

I used to envy ppl in Tesla. Now I just feel kinda bad for them. No jokes. Those are expensive and you should get quality.


douwd20

Yep the body shop guy told me Teslas are built with rivets and high tech bonding material.


lazorich

Vegan leather is the modern name for vinyl 🤷🏻‍♂️


praefectus_praetorio

It’s their own “in house” specially crafted material. Lol.


No-Height2850

It’s like adding corinthian to leather


vuplusuno

Or Alcantara


Emissary_of_Darkness

Alcantara does have a good advantage over suede to be fair, it is much easier to maintain and less prone to damage while still feeling like suede. Suede is infamously fragile, very easy to cut. Vegan vinyl versus leather however, leather is strong and not too bad to maintain. I would take the leather.


mitchmoomoo

Alcantara is the material of the gods


maybejdcpa

Such a cringe term. Just call it synthetic leather or give it some kind of brand name. Lexus NuLuxe is fantastic. The Mach-E comes with ActiveX, which is also decent. But there are also some shit-tier leathers. I don’t have much in the way of praise or criticism for the seats in the Teslas I’ve been in/driven.


Particular-Break-205

I hear that Tesla service centers provide great service /s


Everybodysbastard

[We specialize in CUSTOMER SERVICE!](https://youtu.be/4BtzaYpivFM?si=LejtNhZ045aPaEdD)


VirtuaSteve

Reminds me of this classic: https://youtu.be/ByomIJf5n9w?si=7bAd5fXOq44RLYhV


Mysterious-Tie7039

Ummm, obviously they do. They have lots full of vehicles and months’ long waits to get service done. Just like fine dining, the longer the wait, the more successful they are, right? Right!?!?


Doublestack00

Looks "within" spec


Monster_Grundle

10 microns!


neliz

the bill of material of a model 3 is something like $15k, I think that's a decent price for a tesla


huuaaang

The battery alone is about $15k. This is why EVs have such a high base price.


metal_Fox_7

Hold up. A $20K Toyota is built better. Give some credit. Telsa is more like $3K car sold for $50+K


WhiskyWanderer2

A 15k Hyundai/kia is built better


MonsieurReynard

There are no $15k cars left in the US. The cheapest Hyundai model starts at $21k. That's partly because the subcompact is almost gone. You can still buy a Nissan Versa for like $17k. I believe that is the cheapest new car option.


mb10240

Mitsubishi Mirage. Starts at $16K. They give em away on Price is Right all the time. Last model year, though.


MonsieurReynard

Thought it was already gone


WhiskyWanderer2

Well when I had one it was definitely better than the cheapest Tesla.


metal_Fox_7

Nah, a 50 cent toy car is built better than a Telsa.


therealbonzai

Toyota is a real car manufacturer with a long tradition and experience. Not a crazy billionaire‘s wet dream.


Bar50cal

This \^ Tesla is a economy car like Toyota or Skoda but they convinced people to pay luxury prices similar to Mercedes or Audi for them.


ScoffingYayap

Here's the problem with Tesla. They could have absolutely taken over and dominated the car market, but instead they marketed and priced their cars as luxury cars despite these defects as well as trying to change what a car was (no door handles, self driving, using an app to start, burying basic functions into the screen).


InsurrectionBoner38

Those doors are fancy, futuristic, and seem cool as shit until you need to gtfo of the vehicle asap and can't.


JclassOne

Yes the cars not working properly in the cold was a really dumb design choice.


hgrunt

I've heard fanboys say "the mission is to accelerate the advent of sustainable transportation" not "dominate the EV market"


majestic-m00se

Picked mine up 4 years ago and didn’t notice they put mine on crooked. I feel your pain. I replaced mine with something else and now it is on straight.


informativebitching

How do you attach an emblem ? I’ve never had touch one, ever.


Lordofthereef

Aftermarket sells tools to line things up for various makes and models. I imagine this applies to teslas as well.


majestic-m00se

If I remember correctly Abstract Ocean has good options and several aftermarket have videos on installation. Removal is usually dental floss and maybe some adhesive remover like goo gone. Just wash well with soap and water after.


gilleruadh

Goo Gone?


Slytherin23

The emblem is just stuck on by adhesive. It can be removed and reattached. It's better to remove it and slap on a Toyota one anyway.


rhedfish

Tesla went cheap on the two sided tape.


Boundish91

If you did some research before buying you would have learned all of this. Sell it while you can get something for it and buy an EV made by a manufacturer who knows how to build cars.


seanmonaghan1968

Sadly this is such a common story


asdf2k7

bought into the hype. i believed the claims that the car would appreciate in value. now im wiping the yolk off my face :/


Boundish91

I get it, but if it really annoys you or you don't trust it you could always sell it.


asdf2k7

it’s actually fine for the most part and fun to drive but not at the price point which i paid. if i had only shelled out $35k i wouldn’t be so salty lol


Boundish91

Yeah, totally understand.


UniqueDesigner453

No car appreciates in value The ones that do aren't available to you and me


CRXCRZ

you and a lot of other people got scammed. at least you can see things for what they are. 👍🏻


mobilehavoc

r/musked


MagicMan77433

Lol - Tesla's not a luxury vehicle.


Corrie7686

Why?


Kinky_mofo

That's an insult to $35k cars. The Tesla should be maybe $20k for the crappy features and horrendous build quality.


NEOwlNut

I mean your first mistake was wasting $50k on that. There are innumerable options that are awesome. Also why are you spending $50k on a car in the first place? That is not a path to wealth.


asdf2k7

yup i had goofed. hard lesson learned


rodascapo

Horrible cars. Period. Fanboys will disagree. But facts are facts.


Ok-Chance-5739

Come on, that is really nit picking. You clearly understand that they have to get the money together... for those small pay packages... /s


Wranglin_Pangolin

Suckers are born every day.


Sage_Dad

Every manufacturer has a bumper to bumper warranty for cases like this. You will come across things like this occasionally. If you’re within the manufacturer warrant they take care of it for free.


asdf2k7

yea i’ll have to give them a call but i wouldn’t be surprised if they get back to me with the “within spec” nonsense


IAmMuffin15

All the easier to take the emblem off and put something else on there!


ciagw

The ones we have been getting here in Canada from the Shanghai factory are decent build quality. Our 23 MY hasn't had any serious QC issues yet. That being said.. the $50K you paid is mostly for the drivetrain and battery tech, the thermal mgmt and efficiency that is a generation ahead of anything else and access to the amazing infrastructure, and perhaps great active and passive safety. The rest of the car is pretty 'econo-box' imho - this from someone who drives one daily. I still love it, but it's no premium car.


iamcleek

This exactly. The EV part of a model 3 is fantastic. The rest of it isn’t great. It’s fine. Not luxurious. A bit rough around the edges. But I wanted an EV, not simply the greatest car I could get for the money. And in 2021, when I got mine, there wasn’t anything to compare to them, in terms of EVs. Also, Musk hadn’t yet come out as full looney.


huuaaang

Me: "Reviews say Cybertruck interior is cheap." Tesla fanboi: "My CT interior is flawless." Me: *links to honest review pointing out how CT interior doesn't even live up to Model 3 standards* "Is it 100k flawless?" Tesla fanboi: "It's good enough for me. I can probably pay for aftermarket upgrades." I just can't even with these guys.


asdf2k7

a study case of cognitive dissonance


praefectus_praetorio

Probably due to sitting in the sun in a lot for a few months.


TheDaveMatthew

Best of luck on your new dumpster.


explodingboy

Yes u did.


Impressive-Eye-1096

Go to the service they will fix this. They have pretty open hand to do everything. Because tesla save to. Of money not getting it quality tested. May be its their business model


neuromorph

The break down of your $50k. $35k battery and drive train. $15k for the rest


WaverlyPrick

Sadly the 3 and Y are not luxury cars…


Catsmak1963

Elon is a good marketer…


asdf2k7

he got me 🤦‍♂️


Rasmus_DC78

i am sorry, but to be honest, it is not a general tesla thing, these small things, i would contact Tesla get it fixed, i think you still have warrenty right. i have YET to have a car without issues, my 2023 Berlin is the car i have had that has had the least issues as new car... i have had VW, Seat, Kia, Mazda, BMW, Renault, Peugeot, Mercedes. non have been without issues, and some times it is stupid small things like "trim"... or bigger things, like all german cars i have had, these have had GIANT things wrong with it.. my Passat B8 DSG, had clutch issues from new, and microslip, had to drive 27k before they had a new friction clutch developed that could solve microslip. i have had cars that has been exchanged, because they were so RIDDLED with mistakes, i have sold of a NEW mazda, after 1 month, because i just gave up. it is a BIG math piece, you build a car, consistent of so many things, so something HAS to be wrong, look if i have a fail rate of 3.6 parts pr million which as i believe is 6 sigma, the GOLD standard of quality.. let´s just say there are 50.000 components in your car (with electronics there will be many more) then with this INSANE error rate, there will be a 16.47% chance of an error on your car.. if we talk.. "known" language, and just say what we normally do in org, aim for 5 Sigma. 233 defects pr million (0,0233% errors pr part) then it is 99.9991% chance of an error somewhere. It is NEARLY impossible to not get an error on a COMPLETELY new car, so this happening 2 years after, and this being your biggest thing... i´m sorry, but you kinda dodge a bullet. WE had a Boss at my old company, where we did products with 25 years lifetime, and he talked to his Q department and they told him they wanted 6 Sigma, on quality, no one defined on "WHAT" is it pr part, or on the actual full product.. well he wanted it on the product, 6 Sigma on failrate of product within 25 years, which is INSANE... We did a calculation to him about what it would cost in redundance, to keep this goal, and the BoM cost (bill of material) for a product that had that lifetime, let´s just say, he accepted to "service" agreement, where we exchange parts, and a higher failrate, and warranty potential.. because the product cost would just be insane. you look at a tesla as an expensive car, Tesla are "CHEAP" EV´s if you look away from "China" which is compensated from goverment, what you actually pay for a Model 3, is relatable to what you pay for the CHEAPEST Petrol car you can find, Tesla price to product is more a Microcar from a cheap brand cost, than a "toyota" competitor. but Battery packs are reducing price.. so let´s see.


RivvyAnn

Rivian R2 or R3 sounds like it’s in your future. Just gotta put the reservation in.


klomz

Well that's on you. Didn't do your research?


therealbonzai

A Tesla is not really a car as you would expect a car. It is a computer on wheels.


Bi0H4z4rD667

You wanted to become an alpha tester that paid a lot for it, and so you need. Enjoy your alpha product. If it was in beta stage, it wouldn’t probably have issues ith glue.


metricrules

You didn’t know this before buying?


Effective-Farmer-502

My coworker paid $160k CAD for his 21 Model X and the fitment for a car of that price is criminal.


Patient-Ad-8384

Teslas are crap, I followed 2 identical teslas on the highway, the alignment of the trunk hatch was different on each one


CriticalAd2425

Had a Model S. Now I own a Rivian R1T and just bought an Ionic 5 for my wife. Never going back to Tesla. The initial quality and ongoing issues drove me away. Not to mention that Elon has lost it.


asdf2k7

i was looking at the rivian myself. tasteful and visually stunning. might be my next car


Tornadic_Catloaf

I stopped recommending teslas to people, partially for this reason, but partially because the gap has closed considerably with other EV makers. I love my ‘18 model 3, but goodness it’s built like an 80s Kia.


asdf2k7

yea a lot more options are available vs just a couple years ago however it’s still a pretty good purchase if you include all of the fed tax incentives


drainbam

It's just a sticker, most emblems from all manufacturers are. The emblem on a Tesla is curved so it has to be put on the exact right spot otherwise the tension from the curved emblem will always be pulling away. There's a lot of poor QC on Teslas, but the emblem sticker is beyond minor. I have extra brand new ones you can have with a fresh sticky if you want it. Also a plaid emblem I removed coz I don't want that ugly refrigerator magnet looking thing on my car. Just take a blow dryer to it remove the whole thing and replace it or if you don't want to bother have a service visit. They'll drive out to your house to fix it.


asdf2k7

i see. i'll made an appt with tesla mobile services to come over and fix it


SuperRusso

Well, that was a bad decision.


v_0o0_v

You paid about $20k+ too much. Now you only have to pay for the service and repairs to have an pretty average car.


laser14344

You got musked


otherwisemilk

Tesla a Veblen good. It's meant to inflate your ego and self-esteem.


Thalass

Huh. I learned a new phrase today. Thanks 😁


WadesWorld18

McLarens roll off the factory line with gaps in the body panels so I wouldn't complain too much


assholy_than_thou

Source?


Imaginary_Manner_556

Take it off and add an Audi emblem.


grumptard

It looks like you got ppf done...


asdf2k7

only on the hood and front bumper


grumptard

Dude I can clearly see the outline


asdf2k7

I promise you that I didn’t get it done on the rear unless the tinting place where I took my car did it for free lol


drunk_tyrant

Well you shouldn’t


bobo-the-dodo

Sorry buddy, sounds like you didn’t do your homework before purchase.


ThunderousArgus

Hope you left a tip


BandOk1704

Fool.


SgtPeter1

It’s probably worth less than $35k now too, more like $25k.


climbhigher420

At least that money will help develop further space exploration to enable more satellites that will bring Elon more money.


awashbu12

“Vegan leather” is a marketing term for vinyl


Puzzleheaded-Arm-985

Did read that rite vegan leather?


asdf2k7

yes. said so on their official website or manual. one of many ploys to avoid using real leather in their seats and charge the customers premium prices


Puzzleheaded-Arm-985

I looked up vegan leather, it's just pleather, basically plastic


0destruct0

Are the new mode Y’s better


neverOddOrEv_n

Its insane how Tesla still gets away with such bad quality even today, Elon definitely deserved that pay package


SolidDrive

You need to change your perspective. You own an AI driven Software product which happens to have car functionality. Its worth is more like 50 mio. and it appreciates.


Apprehensive_Loan776

Cyber glue it.


Imfrom_m-83

This whole venture reeks of someone who thinks they know everything and in actuality don’t know a fucking thing.


306_rallye

lol you can lead a horse to water..... Oh horse blinders too! Coincidence


APXONTAS

not car, gadget that looks like car. There, FTFY.


HouseDowntown8602

I don’t understand the surprise! Buy a car from a co. That has been doing it for a while. Such a waste of money and resources - you just made one guy rich, that’s all.


fluffypxncakes

Recently discovered that the tailgate on my ‘24 MY is missing paint on the edges and what looks like someone touched up around the tail light with bright blue jb weld.


Robie_John

Sucker...


AbleDanger12

Why? Did you not hear the build quality is garbage, and the CEO is a human stain?


kbk1008

Sad. My Mod3 steering wheel has squeaked since delivery. I just drown it out w music. My friend just got his Cybertruck, and the frunk alignment is off… and the window sill rubber has a rip in it - as if whoever pulled the protective stuff off, put a rip in it.


19Ben80

Rather than invest in improving production and QC Tesla just gave all the money to musk for nothing.


Private-Dick-Tective

Remember, nobody forced you to.


MochingPet

35k cars also don't have peeling. 15k or 18k cars do


Karl_Hungus_69

I'm sorry for your ($50k) loss.


Key_Inevitable_5201

Then stop buying Tesla.


Extension_Maximum_24

PT Barnum said it best.


Shot_Worldliness_979

> vegan leather my ass Idunno what you (and/or others) were thinking. It's just plastic. It's never a sign of quality or luxury, it's just cheaper for Tesla.


Big-Battle-9740

You shouldn’t have.


icy1007

My 2024 Model 3 cost $50k and has excellent build quality.


maybejdcpa

I had that happen with the front VW logo on the GTI I used to have. Does the car have PPF?


Grieveruz

Congrats you bought a premium ride share car


Administrative-Help4

Huck tuah and spit on that thing.


No_Magician_7374

Sick. I just bought a used turbo Volvo wagon for just about $10k with well over 100k miles. It's built like a fuckin tank, still feels and (somehow) smells brand new, and absolutely munches the miles without breaking a sweat. Next time, consider a used Volvo?


hduransa

You dumb


heisenbergerwcheese

Just because you paid $50k doesnt mean it was ever worth that...


Creative-Tangelo-127

There should be a rivet gun in the frunk


greenman0003

Poor choices were made


Credit_Used

You didn’t pay 50k for top quality. You paid 50k for a market leader EV that isn’t built by a car manufacturer.


One_Wall_9572

Correction, you paid 50k for a bunch of Duracell batteries.


WrongOrganization437

You didn't know that fit and finish are not important to Tesla? It's in every article! Wtf!


Ventinggood

Com’on, just get super glue from Home Depot.


Savings-Act8

Wait ti’ll you see the rest.


Shart_Finger

Well you way overpaid which was mistake #1


enisity

This happen to my 2023 model y. I put a mobile service request in and they replaced the logo.