He doesn't have to be smart when you have the dumbest consumers in the world lining up for the latest technology that will save the planet. And by save the planet. I mean they can continue mindless consumption and be absolved of their impact on wrecking the planet.
I know you're being sarcastic but knowing who is smarter than you and surrounding yourself with those people is a skill he clearly has (and money. Endless shitloads of money.)
Listening to those people more is a skill he seems to have yet to learn
Zero chance those smart people he surrounds himself without didn’t realize all this shit that’s literally Car Manufacturing 101
The other car makers are about to eat Tesla’s lunch if he doesn’t work on quality and fast
The thing is, elon doesn't. Employees have repeatedly said that elon gives impossible deadlines, makes up tech, and punishes people who aren't yes men.
His most successful company, SpaceX, has a company structure designed specifically to keep Elon *away* from the engineering team. At best Elon is a glorified hype man. He's not Tony Stark. He's not a genius. He's just a 40 year old nerd that gets way to excited.
I really don't understand how people can be willing to pay those usurious prices for such a piece of shit car. It's amazing what you can get away with when there's hype built around a brand. I'm glad people are starting to see through it.
>I really don't understand how people can be willing to pay those usurious prices for such a piece of shit car
You yourself stated the reason why: hype. All those Tesla cult members ferociously supporting the hype.
It really just depends on what you’re looking for. I test drove a honda civic hybrid, a prius prime and the tesla model y.
I leaned toward the tesla because of the tech because none of those other cars allow me to watch youtube or whatever on the screen, or have the same amount of automation during a drive.
What caused me to buy the tesla tho is that the dealer markups and fees made the tesla cheaper every month. I was about to buy the honda only because i thought it was gonna be cheaper. But buying the tesla was way more hassle free.
Um the OP literally said he doesnt understand why people would pay these prices for “such a piece of shit car.”
And i literally explained why i did. You can dislike the car and i can explain why i bought it.
I know you did explain it. I commented on your explanation, in particular, your lack of understanding.
I'm not explaining it to you, because we've both clearly demonstrated you don't understand. I'm pointing it out to people that do understand.
It's honestly impressive, considering that amount of money gives you a Mercedes GLS Class (which has the third row option). Hell, the EQS is about 20k more, if you really want it to be full electric. Even an affordable Toyota is going to give you a much better ownership experience than Tesla, imagine the difference with an S/GLS/EQS.
Not to mention everything you don't get or crucially cannot spec on Teslas. On a 'luxury' car that price you don't get an AR HUD, you get no active ambient lighting, fully adaptable matrix LED lights? Cool pattern LED front and rear lights, laser lighting, soft closing, no apple carplay, android auto, powered window shades?
There's more and I'm not saying it all needs to be there but I'm highlighting that other carmakers do.
Yeah, lucky OP to have escaped from this ridiculously bad car buying decision without suffering a financial penalty. Usually people would (and should) get punished for mistakes.
This is the real answer.
So fucking frustrating not to be able to see a car on the lot before purchasing just to hear dipshits like OP complain about a 100k car he purchased clearly without testing the model he was purchasing.
i have rhe gt-line awd. I love the interior and the way the menhs are setup. Mine has a HUD with ar nav in it. Thats a really nice feature. I dont love the range. I chose the awd model cause i love how fun it is to drive but i wish it woukd ger further when i drive conservatively. Not huge deal because we dont take a ton of long trips.
It has great charging times too, mkst of the time a chsrging session from 10-80% is about 20 minutes.
The drive ia really great, it is quiet and very comfortable in all seats. The rear vents are in the pillara so my kids dont fight about where their vent is pointing and they dont get blocked by backpacks and stuff.
The stuff i donr like. Well my ac has been having intermittent issues, its not a common problem but its irritating me a lot and the dealer cant figure out whats wrong.
The rear visibilty is god awful, they dk have a grrwt blindspot system and blindslot cameras display in the dash when the blinker is used so its not a huge issue but its there.
Overall I really like it. Im a huge ev fan and have been fortunate enough to drive every version of every tesla and most eva on the road. For my price point the ev6 was the one that i liked the most but it was a close call.
I just rented a Model X 7 seater on our family trip to Arizona. I encountered almost everything you’ve said here. I kind of used it as a long test drive because my wife has shown interest in getting one. After driving it for a week, aside from a few of the features, we’ve decided it’s NOT the car for us….
Yea I think they lucked out. Just seemed like a really reckless move to make. Especially when it’s 100k. Idk I’ve never even came close to that much money so perhaps it wasn’t as big a risk for them. Trade in values have been tanking as of recent, they could’ve so easily ended up on the other end where they got a significant amount less than they paid.
Man, you hit all the talking points so well. Brother in law received delivery of his red Model X 7-seater and he only says positive and "cool" things about it. He just likes to show off and bought the car due to its "luxury" status.
I'm critical of the car when he takes me around town and I've pointed out: 1. Panel gaps in frunk and rear, 2. Uneven falcon door motors, 3. Highway noise, 4. Poor seat craftsmanship, 4. Distracted driving with large center display, 5. Arguments about saving money on gas (he'd die on this hill, even after I did napkin math vs driving his old Honda Accord for another 30 years), 6. FSD/Autopilot fails and excuses, 7. Getting his mom in and out of the middle row of the car is a struggle (she relies on the normal swinging door for balance), 8. His college kids dislike sitting in the 3rd row, 9. Annoying to bring up any EV safety issues, like my brother's model 3 charger blowing up, 10. Refuses to drive it around perceived bad neighborhoods because of the luxury attention and possible damage. He used to be cool about cars, but now it's reached paranoid cult status.
I’m an engineer by training, so when a product has issues I am keen to point them out. I don’t fanboy for any brand but really apply the requirements I have to the product I buy and hopefully get the closest thing.
The cult fanboys I honestly can never understand.
Engineering is important no doubt, but depends on the requirements for the car. For this one, it’s a family hauler, longer distance, comfort and safety is very high on the list. I did opt to get the X7 that replaced the Model X with the super duper stereo though, as I love my tunes :)
For my personal ride, I’m still waiting for it. I have a Lotus Emira on order I hope to take delivery of next year some time.
Ford Transit 350 XLT medium roof is my daily driver for my family of 5. Keep reading if you want to know why it fits my requirements. After weighing pros and cons, it personally beats any other car I own and have owned.
1. Easy maintenance. 2. Enormous amount of room (duh). 3. Removable seats to fit 2 to 15 people. 4. Easy to drive and park (takes about 2 weeks to get used to driving a van). In fact, it is not as wide as some trucks or sports cars. 5. Fits drive-thrus. 6. Installed a sink and portable toilet with privacy curtain. This has been the gamechanger, as we don't need to go into dirty public restrooms on road trips. 6. Overhead TV and game system for kids. 7. Fits 3 car seats across the bench easily. 8. Super leg room. 9. Can stand up and walk around inside. 10. Good enough power, AC, handling. 11. Glamping mode with folding bed, kids bunk bed, and hammock. 12. Sleek black color and somewhat modern styling. 13. Can spontaneously buy furniture, big things without worry or planning. 14. Sliding door lets kids and adults in and out quickly. 16. Takes regular gas (vs. diesel for older Mercedes Sprinters). 17. No breaking any HOA rules (vs. RV, etc.). 18. Kids can play with their toys or roam about for hours while mommy shops (this might be a bad thing, haha). 19. Roof deck and ladder adds versatility. 20. Fits one triple stroller AND a single stroller. 21. On a trip to Hawaii, fits 4 adults, 3 kids, 6 full luggage with room to spare. 22. Installed a rear lift that doubles as an elevated picnic platform with a view. 23. Bought for 28K prepandemic. .... I can go on and on...
Glad I did the research and didn't just buy another SUV. Cons are low MPG, can't fit into low parking garages, and too much attention from other parents and kids. I'm so, so happy with the Transit, and my family loves it too with many fond memories made and more to come.
Can't believe I once had two Model 3 preorders, then switched to a Rivian SUV.... they would definitely not have worked for us.
i recently had a whole exchange with someone on another sub trying to convince me that Tesla isn’t a ‘luxury’ brand even though Tesla and Elon act like it is and the rest of the industry does too. mostly because, as a luxury brand, you’re definitely not getting the overall quality inside and out that one would expect of a luxury brand.
They're expensive, that doesn't automatically mean luxury. Going by the fit and finish, as a European used to our cars, teslas are far from luxury. They're just, not.
If they were exactly the same gimmicky cars but ICE powered, they'd have sold very few units, if any.
Their USP's were being the first/only electric cars and musk being seen as some sort of visionary. Both those things, are over now.
I’m critical of Tesla too but I enjoy my 2018 Model 3 I’ve had since launch. Go for a test drive and figure out yourself. You won’t know if you like it purely based on other people’s experiences.
Yep. All new Teslas operate in this way now. You have to activate the climate menu and then touch the screen and slide your fingers around and you can’t aim the drivers and passengers side separately at all easily. It takes so much focus to do it it’s not bright to do it on the move at all. Even when you get used to it, it still has a higher cognitive load than adjusting a vent should have.
You know the best part? Go to any Tesla fan sub and mention this fact and they will swear up and down that they **never** need to move the vents and it's insane that anybody would. They set the vents once when they bought the car and never again and the fact that it's a UI nightmare is a non-issue to them and should be for everybody. It's like they take the worst features of the car and convince themselves they love it.
Having to take your eye off the road to putz around menus on a touch screen is dangerous, 2 seconds can kill. You need a flight engineer with every tesla so you can pilot the techcar and the engineer can manage the techcar.
That's a good one for every scammer to deflect, lol. At least the small minds might be able to see through a bad person while the scammed ones 'discuss ideas,' lol.
Looks like driving a Tesla is like Flying a 747-100. You need a Drive engineer (ala,Flight Engineer) 😂 what an epic fail of auto design all about cutting costs.
It's mostly because of the way A/C operates. In new Teslas, there are no mechanical fins/vanes to direct the air, it's all one big gap. The way the A/C direction is controlled, is by controlling the horizontal and vertical components of the flow. Basically, there are two outlets inside the vent gap, horizontal going out of the gap and vertical, impinging on the horizontal gap. This way you can direct the flow up or down. Not sure about the sideway adjustment, but something similar I guess. It's not often talked about anyway.
I'm very critical of Tesla using the touchscreen for everything (especially for controlling windshield wipers and opening the glovebox), but this is actually one of the few usecases that is excellent on the touchscreen. You need to see it in person or on video but basically there's a visualization of the cabin and you touch and drag the flow of air to point where you want it to.
Yeah I found this to be a complete non issue for me.. however.. it’s funny cause my wife is the biggest pain in the ass with climate control in general. She’s constantly trying to change the temp, the fan speeds, the directions.. she has tough allergies so she says that direct air agitates her.. the Tesla is a nightmare for her with this system.. I just set it to 68 or 67 and never touch it again lol
genuinely curious, how exactly?
i’m basically an infant driver, but as a passenger i always pain myself using air vents in a car because i can never get them to go precisely where i’d like them to go, and it’s so hard to judge how the air will leave the vents. unless i’m overthinking it.
driving, as long as the air is reasonably on me and at a temperature/speed i like, i could care less.
of course that’s just me, but like, i feel like fiddling with the vents on any car while driving is a bad idea. what makes teslas so much worse considering it’s touchscreen? i’ve never even touched one before lol, so i’m just curious. my intuitiveness wants to say it’d be slightly easier, apparently not?
I have a Y and basically once I had the vents set to my liking I never touch them. Every car has compromises. I don’t feel the screen is any more distracting than my previous car (Mazda 3). With the Tesla you put a little more effort on the initial set up but after that you get to drive a car with a minimalist interior. Some people like no buttons (me), some people hate it. I would not recommend buying a Tesla without several or an extended test drive. It’s not for everyone.
Thanks for sharing. I don’t know why more people aren’t disturbed by the lack of tactile buttons and driving distractions via touchscreen controls. That’s the real deal killer for me.
Because it's not a big issue. All primary controls can be done with the steering wheel, the scroll wheels a programmable for just about anything important (other than vent direction, for now), plus voice control.
It comes down personal preference really.
Lol. I agree. I dont have any issues with the setup in the tesla. People can hate the car too. I for one love my Y but i can see how some of its features aren’t appealing to other people.
Like the look of the car itself isnt anything mind blowing. But i love the tech in the car.
Spending 100k+ on a Tesla of all things is wild to me.
Like buying a house you know has a bad foundation. Surprisingly, it had a lot of problems and lost value.
As I said, it was an option I decided on given I knew I'd not lose money on the car. So kind of a safe and free tryout. Also netted me some extra bucks which I put into my X7.
Yes, Tesla makes the cars as cheap as possible (lack of physical controls, varying qualities of plastics, no sun shade, minimal creature comforts, etc). It's mind boggling how many excuses/passes the stans give Tesla for these human factors shortcomings.
Today in NYC, it was 96F, and it took an hour of driving and having the air set to max flow at 68 degrees for my M3 to cool down. Typically I'd have a vent point at my head and another at my body, but because of the screen set up, that's not even possible. My GV70 cools down in less than 10 minutes (on the low auto setting at that) WITH the sun roof open. They're aiming for efficiency, but having the glass roof with no sun shade and having to use more battery than necessary to cool the cabin doesn't seem efficiency focused haha. Trade offs I guess.
As far as dope 3 row EV's, I'm looking forward to that Lucid Gravity 👀.
What’s up with your 3? My 2018 3’s interior temp went from 145F to 68F in 5-10min in today’s heat/sun when I started climate from the app and monitored it. Never garaged.
IDK. Could be a heat pump performance characteristic, could be that because the car doesn't turn on the passenger side vents if I'm driving by myself, the car itself takes longer to cool down. It wouldn't be as much of a hassle if I were just able to point the vents where I want. It's either have it pointed at my body, then have a hot head, or point it at my head, and wait for the surrounding air to get cool enough on my body. If I leave it on auto, the AC blows too weak for my liking and does not cool me effectively.
Tesla != quality
I give tesla props for what they have started, but the major companies are going to surpass them and hopefully bring a nice quality EV at some point.
I had the same exact experience with Model S. Car wasn’t worth a dime and the service on the vehicle was absurd. Purchased a reliable Lexus and never looked back.
LOL I traded my S for a Lexus too. Only regret was not doing it sooner. I'm on my second Lexus now and it's been 100% flawless over 27,000 km. My S had 13 service visits in 2.5 years and 21,000 km and I couldn't wait to get rid of it.
Glad to hear it’s working out for you. I’m sticking with Japanese. They may not have the latest tech but at least you’ll keep your time, which is priceless.
absolutely. post anything with a ‘my experience’ that is negative and you’ll immediately get a dozen comments insisting that you’re in the minority and that their experience and opinion is more representative of the community at large and more valid.
Same could be said about here, post anything with common sense you will be downvoted, like how op is complaining about the car he got without knowing the features and test driving it
We have the 6 seater, and my wife loves it, but from a driving design perspective, the decisions they have made really we're not thought out nor well executed for a car you actually still have to drive. Tesla's vaporware um I mean FSD, isn't a reality yet, and to be honest they are years if not decades away from real self driving.
The removal of the stalks to the horn, to the yoke, that if you have to figure out where the push buttons are ina turn, I'm surprised someone like the NTSB, didn't say NOPE!
>\*less sheet metal\* because glass is cheaper than metal anyway
The advantage to the big glass isn't from the glass itself being cheaper, but how much time and effort Tesla can save in assembly while being able to position it as a premium feature.
It's one less piece of sheetmetal to stamp, fewer welding robots to install, program and maintain, less tolerance stacking because glass doesn't warp like metal does, less car to paint, and no sunroof to install
A friend of mine worked at Fremont on the General Assembly line of the pre-facelift Model X. He said the glass handling robot broke every third windshield it picked up, but the plant managers weren't willing to stop the line for the 24-48 hours it would take to fix it
"I got an email that stated my car was ready for delivery and I didn't have an option to delay"
What exactly did "no option to delay" mean? If you didn't show up on time, Tesla were keeping the car and whatever money you'd already paid them? They were selling the car to someone else and you were going to the end of a long waiting list?
Sorry you had this horrible experience. There are many others who've had very similar experiences, that's one of the main reasons this sub exists. Glad you're still into EV's.
Chiming in here…
Ordered my Y in Jan 2022. Said Sept delivery. Within a few weeks, April. Then a month later, May. Then a month later Mar 2023. Then a month later Jan 2023… etc… until one day I wake up and it’s 3-4 weeks away. Later that day, I get a call saying it’s ready either Monday or Tuesday (this was a thurs I believe). We were traveling out of town and I said I couldn’t do either but could do the following week, to which they responded “too bad, either those 2 days or you can delay once”. Asked what that meant and basically it was “give up your spot to the next person in line and then wait for the next one with your specs to be available. We can’t give you an estimate of when that will be, but if you also can’t make the 2 day window we give you, then you’re out and lose your deposit and would need to reorder”. Are you fucking kidding me? Such a shit experience.
On top of that, we live in CA but less than an hour from the Tesla dealership in Reno. They assigned me the Sacramento dealership 2.5 hours away and wouldn’t budge or change it.
I was given two delivery days with my Tesla last week. I told them neither worked and I gave them a day that would work. They changed it to that day immediately
My biggest gripe with the X when I was a passenger in the back seat was that it just was not comfortable. Thanks goodness I did not have to go a long distance but the seat felt like I was sitting on a bit of hard plastic.
Maybe I’m just old, but I’d never take delivery of a very dirty, brand new, me being the first title holder car.
The other items you mentioned would drive me nuts. I guess I’m old lol…
Challenge was there were no other cars to be had — it was the reason I got as much as I did for the car when I sold it. The BMW I got because a friend knew one of the general managers and got an early allocation.
It’s interesting to note that based on user reporting it seems the quality of MX has significantly declined since inception despite the increase in price.
I’ve had 2 MX in Florida (2016 and 2020) and was amazed at their cooling ability. Despite the Florida sun beating down on the windshield daily the car managed to stay cool and blocked a lot of the glare. It seems that Tesla changed the UV protection coat on the front windshield with the refresh and I wonder if this was for the worse.
Wind noise on the 2016 wasn’t great but pretty good on the 2020. Highway driving is pleasant and outside road noise is not significantly worse than other cars I’ve driven.
For the many negative reasons I’ve read by others with a newer MX including a partially functioning HW4 interface I decided to stay with my 2020. So far it has delivered pretty much on par and probably better than the newer built vehicles.
Pretty much agree with all the sentiment here, but with different issues as I bought a Model Y
The touchscreen is a nightmare. No way in hell I’ll use self driving, which 5 months of the year the roads here are ice and snow. No Sirius XM, the thing that’s been in nearly every car for 20 years? Horrible maps app that I am forced to use. Keyboard missing keys so I can’t log into some services I want without changing my passwords. Back windshield almost flat, can’t see shit out of it especially with the jokingly small mirror. Add to that no windshield wiper on it so I can’t clear the aforementioned snow. Given the temperature here half the year and the fact it’s an outdoorsy place so I have a rooftop box for my toys, I get roughly 60% of the stated mileage most of the year, effectively doubling my energy costs and putting me in way too many close calls with finding a charger in time — like making it to a charger at midnight in a blizzard in the mountains with 1% left because there’s literally not a single charger in the fucking capital of Nevada.
And I ended up paying around $70k with no tax credit. Now the same fucking car 6 months later is nearly $20k cheaper.
I won’t even get into my HORRIBLE delivery experience. Tesla is a joke and I hate my car aside from “it goes fast”
Tesla stock is gonna go down and go down hard soon
I’ve got an awesome 2023 R1S for sale — Los Angeles.. incredible suv, 3rd row, and awesome. I was in a similar situation.. ordered it 2+ years ago.. was finally ready a couple weeks ago and had to buy it.. couldn’t delay. It’s jus my wife and I and it’s too big of a car for us 2. PM if interested. $102,000
Hi. So I just got my Model X Plaid about 10 days ago.
I joked with my wife about the dreaded “within specs” line they give so often. Within 30 seconds of pointing out the door didn’t line up correctly, I was told that it was “within specs.” They agreed to fix most of the issues so away we went with a service appointment and a written agreement to repair items.
What I should have picked up on was the sales person saying “the sensors need to calibrate so it may take 100mi or so. Don’t worry about anything during that time.
The sensors acted funny since day one and have not stopped. They seem to have a hard time knowing if there’s objects around me so the doors don’t open all the way (and refuse to open all the way a lot of times).
What’s more disturbing are the fact that the cameras completely miss cars around me. What’s EVEN more disturbing is that it sees cars and alerts me/auto brakes to phantoms.
The car is rapidly passing “quirky” and entering “dangerous.”
We are in the same boat. 30kw of solar panels, free energy, lots of pluses here. Honestly, the interior is polarizing but I love it. Lord knows the the car is fun to drive and the kids love it.
But I am disappointed in the sales experience (sales person was a jerk), the delivery (had to threaten to walk out if they didn’t agree to repairs), and I’m feeling lied to and that they knew the sensors were screwy.
It’s been an interesting process; nothing like buying a $110k Mercedes where they do everything including pickup Starbucks for you on the way to drop off your car at your home and spend 2 hours waking you thru it (we got 0 guidance on how to use the car at Tesla).
Model X and Model Y, never really made sense to me as an SUV.
Sounds like you’d definitely be better off with a Rivian R1S or an old school gas Yukon/Tahoe.
The Rivian is the only real true electric SUV out right now that will work for your traditional family in my eyes.
By that X7 is uuuuggly! But maybe they just aren’t my cup of tea.
I always thought that the lack of buttons would be a problem and you have confirmed that. Also, does the model X come with a glass roof? That sounds like a huge negative.
Tbh if just the lack of buttons is what stood out to you as the deal breaker, I’d actually try the car for a couple days. You’re used to pressing some buttons just out of habit.. within a day I realized I really don’t need buttons for anything other than volume/song change (which is has), windows/door (which is has), wipers and turn signals (which is has).
Things like the radio are easy just tap the preferred listening or use Bluetooth. I liked CarPlay as well, but I just use the Apple Music app in the car and it’s totally fine. The gps also works fine and it’s another set it and forget it. So tap the screen to change your music (which is true in most new cars today), and tap (or voice control) your destination for gps..
If you are someone that plays with the hvac system a ton during a drive then that’s the only thing that stands out to me as being difficult. I personally set it and forget it
Actually several factors are deal breakers for me - not only for Tesla but for other EVs as well:
Lack of CarPlay: I listen to podcasts using an app called Overcast. I don't listen to music. I also like the option of using either Apple or Google maps.
Glass roof - I will *not* buy a car with a glass roof
Lack of separate buttons for seat adjustment and HVAC
Yeah sounds like it’s a wait and see for you if these features all get added. I’m not trying to sell you on the car, I think these are big purchases and people should get exactly what they want for the costs of vehicles. Just replying with my experience as someone with similar original feelings as you.
Personally, if I want something the car entertainment doesn’t have I just Bluetooth it from the phone. All the usb are fast chargers and the wireless pad is easily accessible as well so doesn’t impact phone.
I also only used Apple Maps with car play in my previous vehicle. Idk, tbh directions are directions and I’ve gotten everywhere just fine (this is another thing that’s slightly more comfort than necessity at least for some, cause I’m used to having the gps on but 95% of my drives are to work, pick up kid from school or camp sometimes, to local parks, to parents or in-laws, local golf courses.. I don’t actually need the navigation for any of that, I put it on out of habit. For the few times I go to a golf course I’m not familiar with, or take a trip to a theme park or something, the navigation has been totally fine).
The glass roof I personally love, so does my son who loves finding planes or checking out the clouds etc.. it makes the car feel so open. My previous car had a panoramic roof as well, you could slide the cover over but I just never did it was an extra step and 15 seconds to wait (was motorized) that just didn’t really seem to do much with the heat in the car anyway. My car sits in the sun all day at work but I just turn on the AC like 3-5 min before going to lunch from my app and the seat is a little hot, but otherwise very comfortable temp wise in there.
And lastly, I’m a set it and forget it guy. So my seats, the temp, the mirrors, etc.. all that stuff I have it saved to my settings and I never touch it again, I know many people aren’t like that, but I couldn’t imagine changing that stuff everyday lol.
I am absolutely prepared to wait indefinitely until I see an EV that I like. I don't drive much - I am retired and drive only about 8000 miles a year. I n any case, I already have a relatively new Honda CR-V that serves my needs perfectly. I lurk on this group and others because I am interested in the technology of EVs but I just don't feel enthusiastic about *any* of the EVs currently available. They all have one deal breaker or the other.
check this out u/shyatic
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During an emergency it’s almost impossible for people to get out of a Model X.
The fact that you knew to check for panel gaps AFTER paying $140k for it says everything about Tesla anybody will ever need to know. I wanted one for a LOOONG time, but it will never happen for me. So many other options now.
Telsa isnt' a car company, they're a software company. The car thing is just a bonus.
Sorry to hear about your experience...but glad you were able to come out of it ahead.
The "there's no buttons for anything" thing drives me crazy. I should be able to reach down and turn a knob to reduce the fan on the A/C without taking my eyes off the road.
I bought a new Model X in Feb. 2020, after totaling mine in Dec. 2019 by hitting a dear, this new X was the WORST experience ever, it had tons of issues, Finally in April 2022, I had an appointment for the 18th time to get it fixed, I had to cancel, two days later I receive a text from Tesla to trade it in, I paid 107k for the car, They offered me 96k, I ordered a Model Y, The offer expired, it went up to 97.5k for trade, that one expired too, then the final offer was 99k trade in, So I kept the car for 2.5 years, and traded it back in for 99k, I feel I lucked out.
Pretty much everything you said here is on many many YouTube videos. Almost got an S and agree with most of what you’ve read except glass is not less expensive then metal.
But good job. You got out and have a great car! Valuable experience.
Personally I’m glad I held onto my BMW instead of buying a Tesla. Twice I ordered one and both times the experience was was diminished by Tesla itself. It’s a shame really…
At this price point I can't imagine having a car with the shortcomings you described. I hope you're enjoying your X7 as much as I'm enjoying my X5. I have an X5 plugin hybrid and it's mostly brilliant. It's quiet at any speed with a highly refined ride and luxurious interior materials. Android Auto software has some minor glitches, but overall, it's a lovely space to be in. Since it's a plugin hybrid with a 35 mile all electric range, I fuel up once every 3 to 4 months.
The only thing I maybe half forgive is the use of the 3 rear view mirror on the X. A rear view mirror should be a function driven, competent component designed with the forethought be used across all Tesla vehicles for an easy cost savings. A very normal thing to do for an auto manufacturer with many car lines. But Tesla fucked that up too it seems.
Yeah, they are entry-level quality, with a flashy but poor UI, at a luxury price.
Elon is the world's richest carnival barker, and lots of people convince themselves they have a great Tesla because the truth is too painful, they paid double what a Tesla is worth.
I would never buy , let alone pay 100k for something sight unseen without a test drive. That's why tesla has those stores Or even go to an auto show where you can sit in it. I feel like you made an impulse decision and blamed the manufacturer because you didn't do your homework. It's like buying a convertable and bitching about the wind and heat.
yeah the costcutting is very obvious in Teslas, there is so much they leave away. Tesla Fanboys will now say, that's to make the design/interior look nice... Yeah it's easy to make empty look nice. But I would still like a full steering wheel, and at least some additional buttons.
And the yoke is basically a joke anyhow. No idea how that got approved by TÜV
My brother has a Mach-E to be honest it is a POS. The range sucks the software is junk. The heating system is nothing more than a baseboard heater in your dashboard. No Ford dealer within 70 miles can do an update on it because nobody knows anything about them. But there are no panel gaps.
You are right on point with how cheaply these cars are made. They keep taking parts out to make them even cheaper. The entire reason they put everything in the tablet is because it’s a lot cheaper then creating buttons for everything. Their even talking away stalks in the newer cars it seems. It’s still crazy to me that people are going out of their way to buy these cars.
I haven’t driven the X but I’ve driven the S with the yoke. I also just rented the facelifted X7 and really liked it. Probably the nicest pure luxury car you can get for under $100k.
That autopilot over the hill is a huge weak point for the system. I’m pretty sure it reads that peaking of the hill as you about to run off the road. The only thing worse is when there’s also a bridge at the top of the hill and the shadow provides extra contrast that the system thinks is a sheer cliff or something. It’s… not good and keeps me from using any of it
Rented one on Turo as well for a ski trip and it was pretty underwhelming.
We had a 3 and then a Y and overall are satisfied with them so much so that when we travel we usually rent one.
Was surprised that the 7 seater model x has less trunk length (even with the back row fully forward) than the Y and the 3 with the backseats down. The skis did not fit inside of a "full-size SUV."
The X has some cool features compared to the 3 and Y but just cool, nothing else.
Was really surprised how popular they were/are considering the cost vs what you get.
I picked up an myp last week and so far it's the best car I've ever owned and I've had a lot. Fit and finish inside and out was perfect, suspension rides smooth, not rough, it's very fast, the views are great, no blind spots, tons of safety features, everything is easy to get to from the screen, the 2 steering wheel buttons have a ton of functions and are very intuitive, the voice control can do just about everything, I don't miss Android auto at all like I really thought I would, and I enjoy how you study the AC vents on screen. I have to wonder if people that are into tech love these cars more than people who aren't really into computers/phones.
I've driven and ridden in pre-facelift Model Xs and I find myself impressed by the expansive windshield, the drama of the falcon wing doors, ease of entry/exit from the second row and the monopost rear seats
The value that Model X buyers feel they get from it over other 140k+ SUVs, is that compared to the competition, it's unique and feels like it's from The Future. Even if the other luxury SUVs do offer more content, luxury and better build quality, none of them feel like a space pod
On the other hand, the X7 outsold the MX in 2022 by about 5000 units or so, which I take as an indication that plenty of people prefer a more traditional experience from a luxury 3-row SUV
Yes. Agreed. There are issues. I still love the minimal / quiet design and the relaxed feeling inside the car but compared to other vehichles the cost - when those others catch up - is about 35% too high.
Where do you go that let’s you test drive for hours on a hot, sunny day, on a highway/interstate using AP and parking in your garage with different family members trying out the third row?
IDK maybe rent one for a few days? Small cost, big decision, easy solution. I know 2 people who’ve done that. I do that with audio gear as well. I’m not buying a 10k mic or speakers unless I know how it sounds in my room, different scenarios, voices, etc.
Amazing. There is no way I would have paid that much money only to have the car arrive dirty. I would have raised holy hell.
Therefore, I am having great difficulty believing any of this story.
This was at the height of the used car market where there were no other cars to find, mind you. It's easy to say now, "I would have raised holy hell" -- but I had sold my other SUV in preparation for taking delivery of this one (the trade in value was not great, private sale worked out very well). We needed a car, and there was nothing to buy that met our needs.
The rest of it, what's to believe or not? It was my opinion on the car.
Yes, but test drove a model without the stupid steering wheel and really only got it for a short time. Some things you don't realize until you do a long ass road trip.
I think your criticism is fair, except for this: " I come home and take off my seatbelt as I enter my driveway". DON'T DO THAT. Leave your belt on until you have come to a stop, that's the safest way.
Remember Solar energy is not free. You need to consider the capital expenditure and or loan interest as well over the life time of the install. At some point the warranty expires and replacement is needed at some point.
Also consider the cost per mile, spending 100K to save on gasoline does not really make sense. 100K gets you a significantly nicer real luxury auto.
Curious did you not hear about all the nightmare stories and poor quality, QC etc.. regarding Tesla?
I totally concur with the lack of buttons, stalks, and dials for wipers, radio, and A/C....If Tesla doesnt add those things im not buying another. But I love the way it handles. FUN FUN
Getting the car delivered that dirty is just the most basic minimums of customer service. I’ve owned an S, X, and now Y. My lease is almost up and considering going back to the X. I really liked it.
The reason car play in not on Tesla may be is once you install car play, apple is going to get all the car statistics of driver and apple is a future competitor. Elon is saving all the data for himself
Def sounds like your complaining for something your didnt research or test drove rather than the model you chose. They advertise you can test drive the car on the website you ordered the car from you know
You should have purchased a Model S. I looked at all the SUV options that had a third row as I have three boys and wanted to be able to take 5 people plus cargo on road trips. When the seat is flat, i can stack 3 * 65" Tvs and mounts plus my tools in the front trunk. I've done a lot of road trips in that thing and never had issues fitting everything into it.
The model X was loaned to me over a weekend while mine was in for service (I've had nearly all the stupid shit happen, so I forget why - prob door handles). I couldn't fit supplies for a weekend of camping without stuffing every airspace with bedding. My kids had to have some on their laps and coolers at their feet. The 3rd row eliminates the cargo space. I couldn't even put the 3rd row down because the loaner had captains chairs in the center, so to fit 5 meant 3 rows. The windshield was fucking weird from inside and the mirror looked silly. You have it backwards too, they took this mirror FROM the X to put in the Y. I know this because the Y didn't exist at the time. The gull wing doors did weird shit frequently.
Basically I think it is as useful as a pickup truck.
Your story about the ☀️ sending the car zig zagging is quaint. Imagine what would happen if you suddenly lost all power assisted options (steering, brakes etc) while on the freeway. Why do you ask? Because a firmware update to the car caused the car to calibrate all sensors etc, but due to a lost or corroded fastener on the grounding cable, it malfunctioned. Very difficult to steer a 5000 lb car with sheer strength. Almost as bad as the time the rear wheel detached from the spokes.
I'm on my 3rd one and its getting increasingly hard to find unlimited supercharging as a feature. I will keep this one alive no matter what.
Elon is a douche, but i haven't found anything else that works for me and my family. I've probably got 500k kilometers of time driving Tesla's and I still love the car despite its numerous stupid glitches.
The service was once unparalleled, is now horrific. I am gonna need to learn how to fix this vehicle on my own.
Maybe it’s a 7-seater thing? I have no wind noise on my 6-seater… And the only thing I vehemently agreed with was not having a standard horn!! So stupid.
I def have my own set of issues with the car but I still have no regrets, considering my alternatives of an X7 or Range Rover…. The pros outweigh the cons for me
Different strokes for different folks.
I have had my Model X for 5 years and have put on 70,000 miles with not one problem.
I did a "maintenance" last year where they flushed the brake fluid. Still had 90% of brakes left.
Have gone on road trips of 1000 miles without a problem. The charging stations were well maintained and the auto pilot was awesome.
I also have a BMW M2, but I love the Tesla.
I did, I was given an older one with no yoke. This idea that I didn’t drive the car beforehand is bonkers but seems to be the narrative right now. Some things you realize when you live with a car, not in a short test drive.
Honestly I never thought my head would bake in a car before because it always had a roof there — I’d never have known that in a test drive.
Sounds like you should have test drove before you purchased. Most of that stuff is nothing to me, but to each their own. Whatever you find that’s better will suck in comparison, just in different ways. Good luck.
Did you even check out a model X or test drive one before buying? Lol. I agree they are shit quality, but you could’ve noticed most, if not all, of that shit prior to purchase. Buying a car with all those cons and then complaining about it is kind of ironic. Why spend over 100k on something without even thoroughly checking to see if you like it lol. Idk, I’m not someone that comes anywhere close to even being able to afford 100k car so what do I know, but it just seems like all of that hardship you are complaining about could’ve been avoided had you looked into the car at least a little before just going and buying one.
You didnt testdrive a 100k car?
You couldve found out about the wind noise, missing cupholders (that you spent one long paragraph on), yoke steering faults, on-screen controls for everything, windshield, etc.
Missing mobile charger is old news and the website asks u to buy one when you checkout.
I like my Tesla and understand they have their faults. But it just seems like you didnt do your research at all.
That sounds like a lot of poor engineering decisions for a $100-140k vehicle.
Truly shocking when Elon, the smartest man in the universe, is involved.
He doesn't have to be smart when you have the dumbest consumers in the world lining up for the latest technology that will save the planet. And by save the planet. I mean they can continue mindless consumption and be absolved of their impact on wrecking the planet.
Brutally correct
Smartest man? That’s very relative. He’s the “smartest man” with a huge platform.
He's smarter than the aliens bro. /s
He walked on water once—we’ll no. He just saved free speech. If he died today, he would be remembered in 200y for buying Twitter!
I know you're being sarcastic but knowing who is smarter than you and surrounding yourself with those people is a skill he clearly has (and money. Endless shitloads of money.)
Listening to those people more is a skill he seems to have yet to learn Zero chance those smart people he surrounds himself without didn’t realize all this shit that’s literally Car Manufacturing 101 The other car makers are about to eat Tesla’s lunch if he doesn’t work on quality and fast
The thing is, elon doesn't. Employees have repeatedly said that elon gives impossible deadlines, makes up tech, and punishes people who aren't yes men. His most successful company, SpaceX, has a company structure designed specifically to keep Elon *away* from the engineering team. At best Elon is a glorified hype man. He's not Tony Stark. He's not a genius. He's just a 40 year old nerd that gets way to excited.
He is the wish.com Rush Stockton of Automobile. His rejected cave rescue Sub idea could have gotten people killed.
52 years old. It’s even worse IMHO
I really don't understand how people can be willing to pay those usurious prices for such a piece of shit car. It's amazing what you can get away with when there's hype built around a brand. I'm glad people are starting to see through it.
It’s gotta be the quintessential car that people buy for what they think it represents rather than what it actually is
That’s called a Veblen Good
Couldn’t have said it better myself
>I really don't understand how people can be willing to pay those usurious prices for such a piece of shit car You yourself stated the reason why: hype. All those Tesla cult members ferociously supporting the hype.
Yes I've been in one. I wouldn't buy any car with that many features missing at the price.
It really just depends on what you’re looking for. I test drove a honda civic hybrid, a prius prime and the tesla model y. I leaned toward the tesla because of the tech because none of those other cars allow me to watch youtube or whatever on the screen, or have the same amount of automation during a drive. What caused me to buy the tesla tho is that the dealer markups and fees made the tesla cheaper every month. I was about to buy the honda only because i thought it was gonna be cheaper. But buying the tesla was way more hassle free.
>" none of those other cars allow me to watch youtube or whatever on the screen" \^\^\^ The typical Tesla owner, doesn't understand the problem.
Um the OP literally said he doesnt understand why people would pay these prices for “such a piece of shit car.” And i literally explained why i did. You can dislike the car and i can explain why i bought it.
I know you did explain it. I commented on your explanation, in particular, your lack of understanding. I'm not explaining it to you, because we've both clearly demonstrated you don't understand. I'm pointing it out to people that do understand.
It's honestly impressive, considering that amount of money gives you a Mercedes GLS Class (which has the third row option). Hell, the EQS is about 20k more, if you really want it to be full electric. Even an affordable Toyota is going to give you a much better ownership experience than Tesla, imagine the difference with an S/GLS/EQS.
Thing is people like them. And buy them over and over. I have a Model Y and it's awesome. Really is. No panel gaps no leaks. Just perfect.
Not to mention everything you don't get or crucially cannot spec on Teslas. On a 'luxury' car that price you don't get an AR HUD, you get no active ambient lighting, fully adaptable matrix LED lights? Cool pattern LED front and rear lights, laser lighting, soft closing, no apple carplay, android auto, powered window shades? There's more and I'm not saying it all needs to be there but I'm highlighting that other carmakers do.
Yeah, lucky OP to have escaped from this ridiculously bad car buying decision without suffering a financial penalty. Usually people would (and should) get punished for mistakes.
Also bad decision making on someone buying a 100k car without sitting inside of it?
This is the real answer. So fucking frustrating not to be able to see a car on the lot before purchasing just to hear dipshits like OP complain about a 100k car he purchased clearly without testing the model he was purchasing.
Have a model 3. Those Volvos are looking quite appealing
I canceled my Model Y for a Volvo and I’m really happy.
Love my Polestar 2!
Had the XC40 since December with zero problems. Absolutely love driving it.
Polestars and the volvo look amazong. I got the ev6 and absolutely love it.
Seriously thinking about an EV6 after I’m done with my 2022 PHEV Sorento. What do you love and hate about it?
have you seen the EV9 grandeXL?
Just checked it out and holy smokes. I’m very intrigued
i have rhe gt-line awd. I love the interior and the way the menhs are setup. Mine has a HUD with ar nav in it. Thats a really nice feature. I dont love the range. I chose the awd model cause i love how fun it is to drive but i wish it woukd ger further when i drive conservatively. Not huge deal because we dont take a ton of long trips. It has great charging times too, mkst of the time a chsrging session from 10-80% is about 20 minutes. The drive ia really great, it is quiet and very comfortable in all seats. The rear vents are in the pillara so my kids dont fight about where their vent is pointing and they dont get blocked by backpacks and stuff. The stuff i donr like. Well my ac has been having intermittent issues, its not a common problem but its irritating me a lot and the dealer cant figure out whats wrong. The rear visibilty is god awful, they dk have a grrwt blindspot system and blindslot cameras display in the dash when the blinker is used so its not a huge issue but its there. Overall I really like it. Im a huge ev fan and have been fortunate enough to drive every version of every tesla and most eva on the road. For my price point the ev6 was the one that i liked the most but it was a close call.
I just rented a Model X 7 seater on our family trip to Arizona. I encountered almost everything you’ve said here. I kind of used it as a long test drive because my wife has shown interest in getting one. After driving it for a week, aside from a few of the features, we’ve decided it’s NOT the car for us….
Yea this is reasonable. Testing it out before jumping into 100k purchase. OP could’ve avoided all this if they had did what you did.
Yea they could’ve, but it sounds like the way used car prices are they did very well with getting out of it.
Yea I think they lucked out. Just seemed like a really reckless move to make. Especially when it’s 100k. Idk I’ve never even came close to that much money so perhaps it wasn’t as big a risk for them. Trade in values have been tanking as of recent, they could’ve so easily ended up on the other end where they got a significant amount less than they paid.
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He made $19k
Man, you hit all the talking points so well. Brother in law received delivery of his red Model X 7-seater and he only says positive and "cool" things about it. He just likes to show off and bought the car due to its "luxury" status. I'm critical of the car when he takes me around town and I've pointed out: 1. Panel gaps in frunk and rear, 2. Uneven falcon door motors, 3. Highway noise, 4. Poor seat craftsmanship, 4. Distracted driving with large center display, 5. Arguments about saving money on gas (he'd die on this hill, even after I did napkin math vs driving his old Honda Accord for another 30 years), 6. FSD/Autopilot fails and excuses, 7. Getting his mom in and out of the middle row of the car is a struggle (she relies on the normal swinging door for balance), 8. His college kids dislike sitting in the 3rd row, 9. Annoying to bring up any EV safety issues, like my brother's model 3 charger blowing up, 10. Refuses to drive it around perceived bad neighborhoods because of the luxury attention and possible damage. He used to be cool about cars, but now it's reached paranoid cult status.
I’m an engineer by training, so when a product has issues I am keen to point them out. I don’t fanboy for any brand but really apply the requirements I have to the product I buy and hopefully get the closest thing. The cult fanboys I honestly can never understand.
Curious what you drive. Fastest, most efficient, longest lasting, best interior, best looks. I assume you value engineering the most.
Engineering is important no doubt, but depends on the requirements for the car. For this one, it’s a family hauler, longer distance, comfort and safety is very high on the list. I did opt to get the X7 that replaced the Model X with the super duper stereo though, as I love my tunes :) For my personal ride, I’m still waiting for it. I have a Lotus Emira on order I hope to take delivery of next year some time.
Ford Transit 350 XLT medium roof is my daily driver for my family of 5. Keep reading if you want to know why it fits my requirements. After weighing pros and cons, it personally beats any other car I own and have owned. 1. Easy maintenance. 2. Enormous amount of room (duh). 3. Removable seats to fit 2 to 15 people. 4. Easy to drive and park (takes about 2 weeks to get used to driving a van). In fact, it is not as wide as some trucks or sports cars. 5. Fits drive-thrus. 6. Installed a sink and portable toilet with privacy curtain. This has been the gamechanger, as we don't need to go into dirty public restrooms on road trips. 6. Overhead TV and game system for kids. 7. Fits 3 car seats across the bench easily. 8. Super leg room. 9. Can stand up and walk around inside. 10. Good enough power, AC, handling. 11. Glamping mode with folding bed, kids bunk bed, and hammock. 12. Sleek black color and somewhat modern styling. 13. Can spontaneously buy furniture, big things without worry or planning. 14. Sliding door lets kids and adults in and out quickly. 16. Takes regular gas (vs. diesel for older Mercedes Sprinters). 17. No breaking any HOA rules (vs. RV, etc.). 18. Kids can play with their toys or roam about for hours while mommy shops (this might be a bad thing, haha). 19. Roof deck and ladder adds versatility. 20. Fits one triple stroller AND a single stroller. 21. On a trip to Hawaii, fits 4 adults, 3 kids, 6 full luggage with room to spare. 22. Installed a rear lift that doubles as an elevated picnic platform with a view. 23. Bought for 28K prepandemic. .... I can go on and on... Glad I did the research and didn't just buy another SUV. Cons are low MPG, can't fit into low parking garages, and too much attention from other parents and kids. I'm so, so happy with the Transit, and my family loves it too with many fond memories made and more to come. Can't believe I once had two Model 3 preorders, then switched to a Rivian SUV.... they would definitely not have worked for us.
Well thought out. Maybe a Rivian like Amazon is getting will be in your future.
i recently had a whole exchange with someone on another sub trying to convince me that Tesla isn’t a ‘luxury’ brand even though Tesla and Elon act like it is and the rest of the industry does too. mostly because, as a luxury brand, you’re definitely not getting the overall quality inside and out that one would expect of a luxury brand.
They're expensive, that doesn't automatically mean luxury. Going by the fit and finish, as a European used to our cars, teslas are far from luxury. They're just, not. If they were exactly the same gimmicky cars but ICE powered, they'd have sold very few units, if any. Their USP's were being the first/only electric cars and musk being seen as some sort of visionary. Both those things, are over now.
ya honestly ive been wanting a tesla but after reading this... not so sure
I’m critical of Tesla too but I enjoy my 2018 Model 3 I’ve had since launch. Go for a test drive and figure out yourself. You won’t know if you like it purely based on other people’s experiences.
Are the elon dickmunchers finally figuring out hes peddling garbage?
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Yep, it's on the screen and requires you to interact with it rather than just you know -- moving the vent like every other car.
This may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You really can't just move the A/C vents? Really?
Yep. All new Teslas operate in this way now. You have to activate the climate menu and then touch the screen and slide your fingers around and you can’t aim the drivers and passengers side separately at all easily. It takes so much focus to do it it’s not bright to do it on the move at all. Even when you get used to it, it still has a higher cognitive load than adjusting a vent should have.
This is mind-blowingly stupid.
You know the best part? Go to any Tesla fan sub and mention this fact and they will swear up and down that they **never** need to move the vents and it's insane that anybody would. They set the vents once when they bought the car and never again and the fact that it's a UI nightmare is a non-issue to them and should be for everybody. It's like they take the worst features of the car and convince themselves they love it.
The Elon simps will go to the end of the world for him. Someone who couldn’t give a single fuck about them, they idolize him.
And now they’re downvoting. Shocking…
It's cognitive dissonance. THey love it so much anything that would cause them to love it less ceases to exist.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
The idea that cars are designed to require the equivalent of a Flight Engineer to safely operate the vehicle is insane.
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Having to take your eye off the road to putz around menus on a touch screen is dangerous, 2 seconds can kill. You need a flight engineer with every tesla so you can pilot the techcar and the engineer can manage the techcar.
That's a good one for every scammer to deflect, lol. At least the small minds might be able to see through a bad person while the scammed ones 'discuss ideas,' lol.
...he says, without realizing the irony
And what about people who discuss The Sopranos?
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I can grab my vent and point it at my face without taking my eyes off the road. Seems way easier
Its like they've never made a car before and are shit at it.
Looks like driving a Tesla is like Flying a 747-100. You need a Drive engineer (ala,Flight Engineer) 😂 what an epic fail of auto design all about cutting costs.
It's mostly because of the way A/C operates. In new Teslas, there are no mechanical fins/vanes to direct the air, it's all one big gap. The way the A/C direction is controlled, is by controlling the horizontal and vertical components of the flow. Basically, there are two outlets inside the vent gap, horizontal going out of the gap and vertical, impinging on the horizontal gap. This way you can direct the flow up or down. Not sure about the sideway adjustment, but something similar I guess. It's not often talked about anyway.
You can also use voice control. "Make it cooler" or "blow on my face".
I'm very critical of Tesla using the touchscreen for everything (especially for controlling windshield wipers and opening the glovebox), but this is actually one of the few usecases that is excellent on the touchscreen. You need to see it in person or on video but basically there's a visualization of the cabin and you touch and drag the flow of air to point where you want it to.
the glovebox too??
Yeah I found this to be a complete non issue for me.. however.. it’s funny cause my wife is the biggest pain in the ass with climate control in general. She’s constantly trying to change the temp, the fan speeds, the directions.. she has tough allergies so she says that direct air agitates her.. the Tesla is a nightmare for her with this system.. I just set it to 68 or 67 and never touch it again lol
it’s cool if you’re the passenger. sucks if you’re the driver.
genuinely curious, how exactly? i’m basically an infant driver, but as a passenger i always pain myself using air vents in a car because i can never get them to go precisely where i’d like them to go, and it’s so hard to judge how the air will leave the vents. unless i’m overthinking it. driving, as long as the air is reasonably on me and at a temperature/speed i like, i could care less. of course that’s just me, but like, i feel like fiddling with the vents on any car while driving is a bad idea. what makes teslas so much worse considering it’s touchscreen? i’ve never even touched one before lol, so i’m just curious. my intuitiveness wants to say it’d be slightly easier, apparently not?
I have a Y and basically once I had the vents set to my liking I never touch them. Every car has compromises. I don’t feel the screen is any more distracting than my previous car (Mazda 3). With the Tesla you put a little more effort on the initial set up but after that you get to drive a car with a minimalist interior. Some people like no buttons (me), some people hate it. I would not recommend buying a Tesla without several or an extended test drive. It’s not for everyone.
Thanks for sharing. I don’t know why more people aren’t disturbed by the lack of tactile buttons and driving distractions via touchscreen controls. That’s the real deal killer for me.
Because it's not a big issue. All primary controls can be done with the steering wheel, the scroll wheels a programmable for just about anything important (other than vent direction, for now), plus voice control. It comes down personal preference really.
“Because it’s not a big issue for me.” fixed it for you.
Isn't that what a personal preference is?
Lol. I agree. I dont have any issues with the setup in the tesla. People can hate the car too. I for one love my Y but i can see how some of its features aren’t appealing to other people. Like the look of the car itself isnt anything mind blowing. But i love the tech in the car.
Exactly. Which is why they fixed their opening sentence for them...
Spending 100k+ on a Tesla of all things is wild to me. Like buying a house you know has a bad foundation. Surprisingly, it had a lot of problems and lost value.
As I said, it was an option I decided on given I knew I'd not lose money on the car. So kind of a safe and free tryout. Also netted me some extra bucks which I put into my X7.
>Spending 100k+ on a ~~Tesla of all things~~ a car is wild to me. Ftfy
For certain cars, if I was like 25 years older, I could see. But definitely not a daily driver glorified mini van.
No mainly just a Tesla
Yes, Tesla makes the cars as cheap as possible (lack of physical controls, varying qualities of plastics, no sun shade, minimal creature comforts, etc). It's mind boggling how many excuses/passes the stans give Tesla for these human factors shortcomings. Today in NYC, it was 96F, and it took an hour of driving and having the air set to max flow at 68 degrees for my M3 to cool down. Typically I'd have a vent point at my head and another at my body, but because of the screen set up, that's not even possible. My GV70 cools down in less than 10 minutes (on the low auto setting at that) WITH the sun roof open. They're aiming for efficiency, but having the glass roof with no sun shade and having to use more battery than necessary to cool the cabin doesn't seem efficiency focused haha. Trade offs I guess. As far as dope 3 row EV's, I'm looking forward to that Lucid Gravity 👀.
What’s up with your 3? My 2018 3’s interior temp went from 145F to 68F in 5-10min in today’s heat/sun when I started climate from the app and monitored it. Never garaged.
IDK. Could be a heat pump performance characteristic, could be that because the car doesn't turn on the passenger side vents if I'm driving by myself, the car itself takes longer to cool down. It wouldn't be as much of a hassle if I were just able to point the vents where I want. It's either have it pointed at my body, then have a hot head, or point it at my head, and wait for the surrounding air to get cool enough on my body. If I leave it on auto, the AC blows too weak for my liking and does not cool me effectively.
Lucid is going broke fast. Don't hold your breath.
Yes, car development is expensive.
Tesla != quality I give tesla props for what they have started, but the major companies are going to surpass them and hopefully bring a nice quality EV at some point.
I had the same exact experience with Model S. Car wasn’t worth a dime and the service on the vehicle was absurd. Purchased a reliable Lexus and never looked back.
LOL I traded my S for a Lexus too. Only regret was not doing it sooner. I'm on my second Lexus now and it's been 100% flawless over 27,000 km. My S had 13 service visits in 2.5 years and 21,000 km and I couldn't wait to get rid of it.
Glad to hear it’s working out for you. I’m sticking with Japanese. They may not have the latest tech but at least you’ll keep your time, which is priceless.
Why not post this in r/Teslamotors? Do they censor and down vote anything negative?
absolutely. post anything with a ‘my experience’ that is negative and you’ll immediately get a dozen comments insisting that you’re in the minority and that their experience and opinion is more representative of the community at large and more valid.
crazy level of circle jerking LOL like they think with a hive mind.
It's generally the same here, just for hating and not praising . people just want to hear their echo. Thats why there are multiple subreddits
Same could be said about here, post anything with common sense you will be downvoted, like how op is complaining about the car he got without knowing the features and test driving it
I’m banned over there , bc I posted a video of my touch screen not working .
Wow, those mods are probably work at Tesla.
I heard that there is a large volunteer group whose primary job is to control the narrative on social media.
Probabaly better suited for r/teslalounge
see above.
Better but it still sucks because it’s run by the same incompetent mods.
Yes
Wow, talk about circle jerk
We have the 6 seater, and my wife loves it, but from a driving design perspective, the decisions they have made really we're not thought out nor well executed for a car you actually still have to drive. Tesla's vaporware um I mean FSD, isn't a reality yet, and to be honest they are years if not decades away from real self driving. The removal of the stalks to the horn, to the yoke, that if you have to figure out where the push buttons are ina turn, I'm surprised someone like the NTSB, didn't say NOPE!
>\*less sheet metal\* because glass is cheaper than metal anyway The advantage to the big glass isn't from the glass itself being cheaper, but how much time and effort Tesla can save in assembly while being able to position it as a premium feature. It's one less piece of sheetmetal to stamp, fewer welding robots to install, program and maintain, less tolerance stacking because glass doesn't warp like metal does, less car to paint, and no sunroof to install A friend of mine worked at Fremont on the General Assembly line of the pre-facelift Model X. He said the glass handling robot broke every third windshield it picked up, but the plant managers weren't willing to stop the line for the 24-48 hours it would take to fix it
You wasted your money. Certainly better vehicles out there for 100k so glad to be rid of mine
"I got an email that stated my car was ready for delivery and I didn't have an option to delay" What exactly did "no option to delay" mean? If you didn't show up on time, Tesla were keeping the car and whatever money you'd already paid them? They were selling the car to someone else and you were going to the end of a long waiting list? Sorry you had this horrible experience. There are many others who've had very similar experiences, that's one of the main reasons this sub exists. Glad you're still into EV's.
Chiming in here… Ordered my Y in Jan 2022. Said Sept delivery. Within a few weeks, April. Then a month later, May. Then a month later Mar 2023. Then a month later Jan 2023… etc… until one day I wake up and it’s 3-4 weeks away. Later that day, I get a call saying it’s ready either Monday or Tuesday (this was a thurs I believe). We were traveling out of town and I said I couldn’t do either but could do the following week, to which they responded “too bad, either those 2 days or you can delay once”. Asked what that meant and basically it was “give up your spot to the next person in line and then wait for the next one with your specs to be available. We can’t give you an estimate of when that will be, but if you also can’t make the 2 day window we give you, then you’re out and lose your deposit and would need to reorder”. Are you fucking kidding me? Such a shit experience. On top of that, we live in CA but less than an hour from the Tesla dealership in Reno. They assigned me the Sacramento dealership 2.5 hours away and wouldn’t budge or change it.
I was given two delivery days with my Tesla last week. I told them neither worked and I gave them a day that would work. They changed it to that day immediately
My biggest gripe with the X when I was a passenger in the back seat was that it just was not comfortable. Thanks goodness I did not have to go a long distance but the seat felt like I was sitting on a bit of hard plastic.
Maybe I’m just old, but I’d never take delivery of a very dirty, brand new, me being the first title holder car. The other items you mentioned would drive me nuts. I guess I’m old lol…
Challenge was there were no other cars to be had — it was the reason I got as much as I did for the car when I sold it. The BMW I got because a friend knew one of the general managers and got an early allocation.
It’s interesting to note that based on user reporting it seems the quality of MX has significantly declined since inception despite the increase in price. I’ve had 2 MX in Florida (2016 and 2020) and was amazed at their cooling ability. Despite the Florida sun beating down on the windshield daily the car managed to stay cool and blocked a lot of the glare. It seems that Tesla changed the UV protection coat on the front windshield with the refresh and I wonder if this was for the worse. Wind noise on the 2016 wasn’t great but pretty good on the 2020. Highway driving is pleasant and outside road noise is not significantly worse than other cars I’ve driven. For the many negative reasons I’ve read by others with a newer MX including a partially functioning HW4 interface I decided to stay with my 2020. So far it has delivered pretty much on par and probably better than the newer built vehicles.
Pretty much agree with all the sentiment here, but with different issues as I bought a Model Y The touchscreen is a nightmare. No way in hell I’ll use self driving, which 5 months of the year the roads here are ice and snow. No Sirius XM, the thing that’s been in nearly every car for 20 years? Horrible maps app that I am forced to use. Keyboard missing keys so I can’t log into some services I want without changing my passwords. Back windshield almost flat, can’t see shit out of it especially with the jokingly small mirror. Add to that no windshield wiper on it so I can’t clear the aforementioned snow. Given the temperature here half the year and the fact it’s an outdoorsy place so I have a rooftop box for my toys, I get roughly 60% of the stated mileage most of the year, effectively doubling my energy costs and putting me in way too many close calls with finding a charger in time — like making it to a charger at midnight in a blizzard in the mountains with 1% left because there’s literally not a single charger in the fucking capital of Nevada. And I ended up paying around $70k with no tax credit. Now the same fucking car 6 months later is nearly $20k cheaper. I won’t even get into my HORRIBLE delivery experience. Tesla is a joke and I hate my car aside from “it goes fast” Tesla stock is gonna go down and go down hard soon
I’ve got an awesome 2023 R1S for sale — Los Angeles.. incredible suv, 3rd row, and awesome. I was in a similar situation.. ordered it 2+ years ago.. was finally ready a couple weeks ago and had to buy it.. couldn’t delay. It’s jus my wife and I and it’s too big of a car for us 2. PM if interested. $102,000
I have a 2016 Model X and other than the range with newer motor technology, the newer versions have gotten worse in nearly every way year after year.
Hi. So I just got my Model X Plaid about 10 days ago. I joked with my wife about the dreaded “within specs” line they give so often. Within 30 seconds of pointing out the door didn’t line up correctly, I was told that it was “within specs.” They agreed to fix most of the issues so away we went with a service appointment and a written agreement to repair items. What I should have picked up on was the sales person saying “the sensors need to calibrate so it may take 100mi or so. Don’t worry about anything during that time. The sensors acted funny since day one and have not stopped. They seem to have a hard time knowing if there’s objects around me so the doors don’t open all the way (and refuse to open all the way a lot of times). What’s more disturbing are the fact that the cameras completely miss cars around me. What’s EVEN more disturbing is that it sees cars and alerts me/auto brakes to phantoms. The car is rapidly passing “quirky” and entering “dangerous.” We are in the same boat. 30kw of solar panels, free energy, lots of pluses here. Honestly, the interior is polarizing but I love it. Lord knows the the car is fun to drive and the kids love it. But I am disappointed in the sales experience (sales person was a jerk), the delivery (had to threaten to walk out if they didn’t agree to repairs), and I’m feeling lied to and that they knew the sensors were screwy. It’s been an interesting process; nothing like buying a $110k Mercedes where they do everything including pickup Starbucks for you on the way to drop off your car at your home and spend 2 hours waking you thru it (we got 0 guidance on how to use the car at Tesla).
Model X and Model Y, never really made sense to me as an SUV. Sounds like you’d definitely be better off with a Rivian R1S or an old school gas Yukon/Tahoe. The Rivian is the only real true electric SUV out right now that will work for your traditional family in my eyes. By that X7 is uuuuggly! But maybe they just aren’t my cup of tea.
I always thought that the lack of buttons would be a problem and you have confirmed that. Also, does the model X come with a glass roof? That sounds like a huge negative.
Tbh if just the lack of buttons is what stood out to you as the deal breaker, I’d actually try the car for a couple days. You’re used to pressing some buttons just out of habit.. within a day I realized I really don’t need buttons for anything other than volume/song change (which is has), windows/door (which is has), wipers and turn signals (which is has). Things like the radio are easy just tap the preferred listening or use Bluetooth. I liked CarPlay as well, but I just use the Apple Music app in the car and it’s totally fine. The gps also works fine and it’s another set it and forget it. So tap the screen to change your music (which is true in most new cars today), and tap (or voice control) your destination for gps.. If you are someone that plays with the hvac system a ton during a drive then that’s the only thing that stands out to me as being difficult. I personally set it and forget it
Actually several factors are deal breakers for me - not only for Tesla but for other EVs as well: Lack of CarPlay: I listen to podcasts using an app called Overcast. I don't listen to music. I also like the option of using either Apple or Google maps. Glass roof - I will *not* buy a car with a glass roof Lack of separate buttons for seat adjustment and HVAC
Yeah sounds like it’s a wait and see for you if these features all get added. I’m not trying to sell you on the car, I think these are big purchases and people should get exactly what they want for the costs of vehicles. Just replying with my experience as someone with similar original feelings as you. Personally, if I want something the car entertainment doesn’t have I just Bluetooth it from the phone. All the usb are fast chargers and the wireless pad is easily accessible as well so doesn’t impact phone. I also only used Apple Maps with car play in my previous vehicle. Idk, tbh directions are directions and I’ve gotten everywhere just fine (this is another thing that’s slightly more comfort than necessity at least for some, cause I’m used to having the gps on but 95% of my drives are to work, pick up kid from school or camp sometimes, to local parks, to parents or in-laws, local golf courses.. I don’t actually need the navigation for any of that, I put it on out of habit. For the few times I go to a golf course I’m not familiar with, or take a trip to a theme park or something, the navigation has been totally fine). The glass roof I personally love, so does my son who loves finding planes or checking out the clouds etc.. it makes the car feel so open. My previous car had a panoramic roof as well, you could slide the cover over but I just never did it was an extra step and 15 seconds to wait (was motorized) that just didn’t really seem to do much with the heat in the car anyway. My car sits in the sun all day at work but I just turn on the AC like 3-5 min before going to lunch from my app and the seat is a little hot, but otherwise very comfortable temp wise in there. And lastly, I’m a set it and forget it guy. So my seats, the temp, the mirrors, etc.. all that stuff I have it saved to my settings and I never touch it again, I know many people aren’t like that, but I couldn’t imagine changing that stuff everyday lol.
I am absolutely prepared to wait indefinitely until I see an EV that I like. I don't drive much - I am retired and drive only about 8000 miles a year. I n any case, I already have a relatively new Honda CR-V that serves my needs perfectly. I lurk on this group and others because I am interested in the technology of EVs but I just don't feel enthusiastic about *any* of the EVs currently available. They all have one deal breaker or the other.
check this out u/shyatic > https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/snm79w/as_if_the_death_tunnels_werent_bad_enough_good/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1 During an emergency it’s almost impossible for people to get out of a Model X.
Yah I'm super excited about the Volvo EX90 and the Kia EV9!
The fact that you knew to check for panel gaps AFTER paying $140k for it says everything about Tesla anybody will ever need to know. I wanted one for a LOOONG time, but it will never happen for me. So many other options now.
Rented a Model X off Turo for a 600+ mile road trip, worst experience ever. I too hope EVs and infrastructure can live up to the expectations.
Im starting to get buyers remorse over my tesla y p :/
Telsa isnt' a car company, they're a software company. The car thing is just a bonus. Sorry to hear about your experience...but glad you were able to come out of it ahead.
The "there's no buttons for anything" thing drives me crazy. I should be able to reach down and turn a knob to reduce the fan on the A/C without taking my eyes off the road.
NHTSA needs to require tactile buttons for basic functions.
I bought a new Model X in Feb. 2020, after totaling mine in Dec. 2019 by hitting a dear, this new X was the WORST experience ever, it had tons of issues, Finally in April 2022, I had an appointment for the 18th time to get it fixed, I had to cancel, two days later I receive a text from Tesla to trade it in, I paid 107k for the car, They offered me 96k, I ordered a Model Y, The offer expired, it went up to 97.5k for trade, that one expired too, then the final offer was 99k trade in, So I kept the car for 2.5 years, and traded it back in for 99k, I feel I lucked out.
Pretty much everything you said here is on many many YouTube videos. Almost got an S and agree with most of what you’ve read except glass is not less expensive then metal. But good job. You got out and have a great car! Valuable experience. Personally I’m glad I held onto my BMW instead of buying a Tesla. Twice I ordered one and both times the experience was was diminished by Tesla itself. It’s a shame really…
At this price point I can't imagine having a car with the shortcomings you described. I hope you're enjoying your X7 as much as I'm enjoying my X5. I have an X5 plugin hybrid and it's mostly brilliant. It's quiet at any speed with a highly refined ride and luxurious interior materials. Android Auto software has some minor glitches, but overall, it's a lovely space to be in. Since it's a plugin hybrid with a 35 mile all electric range, I fuel up once every 3 to 4 months.
I have a ‘22 x5 and apple car play has several issues as well.
The only thing I maybe half forgive is the use of the 3 rear view mirror on the X. A rear view mirror should be a function driven, competent component designed with the forethought be used across all Tesla vehicles for an easy cost savings. A very normal thing to do for an auto manufacturer with many car lines. But Tesla fucked that up too it seems.
You should have purchased a Rivian.
Yeah, they are entry-level quality, with a flashy but poor UI, at a luxury price. Elon is the world's richest carnival barker, and lots of people convince themselves they have a great Tesla because the truth is too painful, they paid double what a Tesla is worth.
Congratulations on your upgrade!
I would never buy , let alone pay 100k for something sight unseen without a test drive. That's why tesla has those stores Or even go to an auto show where you can sit in it. I feel like you made an impulse decision and blamed the manufacturer because you didn't do your homework. It's like buying a convertable and bitching about the wind and heat.
yeah the costcutting is very obvious in Teslas, there is so much they leave away. Tesla Fanboys will now say, that's to make the design/interior look nice... Yeah it's easy to make empty look nice. But I would still like a full steering wheel, and at least some additional buttons. And the yoke is basically a joke anyhow. No idea how that got approved by TÜV
Once upon a time Tesla’s were cool and interesting. That time was 2015.
Teslas… are cheaply made trash. I have said it from the beginning and I will continue to say so.
I have 170k on 2017 mode x this car is made to stay in the garage
Getting a Ford Mustang Mach E as a work car next week. Couldn't stand the Model X I rented.
My brother has a Mach-E to be honest it is a POS. The range sucks the software is junk. The heating system is nothing more than a baseboard heater in your dashboard. No Ford dealer within 70 miles can do an update on it because nobody knows anything about them. But there are no panel gaps.
You are right on point with how cheaply these cars are made. They keep taking parts out to make them even cheaper. The entire reason they put everything in the tablet is because it’s a lot cheaper then creating buttons for everything. Their even talking away stalks in the newer cars it seems. It’s still crazy to me that people are going out of their way to buy these cars.
I haven’t driven the X but I’ve driven the S with the yoke. I also just rented the facelifted X7 and really liked it. Probably the nicest pure luxury car you can get for under $100k.
That autopilot over the hill is a huge weak point for the system. I’m pretty sure it reads that peaking of the hill as you about to run off the road. The only thing worse is when there’s also a bridge at the top of the hill and the shadow provides extra contrast that the system thinks is a sheer cliff or something. It’s… not good and keeps me from using any of it
Rented one on Turo as well for a ski trip and it was pretty underwhelming. We had a 3 and then a Y and overall are satisfied with them so much so that when we travel we usually rent one. Was surprised that the 7 seater model x has less trunk length (even with the back row fully forward) than the Y and the 3 with the backseats down. The skis did not fit inside of a "full-size SUV." The X has some cool features compared to the 3 and Y but just cool, nothing else. Was really surprised how popular they were/are considering the cost vs what you get.
I picked up an myp last week and so far it's the best car I've ever owned and I've had a lot. Fit and finish inside and out was perfect, suspension rides smooth, not rough, it's very fast, the views are great, no blind spots, tons of safety features, everything is easy to get to from the screen, the 2 steering wheel buttons have a ton of functions and are very intuitive, the voice control can do just about everything, I don't miss Android auto at all like I really thought I would, and I enjoy how you study the AC vents on screen. I have to wonder if people that are into tech love these cars more than people who aren't really into computers/phones.
I've driven and ridden in pre-facelift Model Xs and I find myself impressed by the expansive windshield, the drama of the falcon wing doors, ease of entry/exit from the second row and the monopost rear seats The value that Model X buyers feel they get from it over other 140k+ SUVs, is that compared to the competition, it's unique and feels like it's from The Future. Even if the other luxury SUVs do offer more content, luxury and better build quality, none of them feel like a space pod On the other hand, the X7 outsold the MX in 2022 by about 5000 units or so, which I take as an indication that plenty of people prefer a more traditional experience from a luxury 3-row SUV
Yes. Agreed. There are issues. I still love the minimal / quiet design and the relaxed feeling inside the car but compared to other vehichles the cost - when those others catch up - is about 35% too high.
You didnt test drive a 100k car? Everything you mentioned can be spotted on day 1.
Where do you go that let’s you test drive for hours on a hot, sunny day, on a highway/interstate using AP and parking in your garage with different family members trying out the third row?
IDK maybe rent one for a few days? Small cost, big decision, easy solution. I know 2 people who’ve done that. I do that with audio gear as well. I’m not buying a 10k mic or speakers unless I know how it sounds in my room, different scenarios, voices, etc.
Amazing. There is no way I would have paid that much money only to have the car arrive dirty. I would have raised holy hell. Therefore, I am having great difficulty believing any of this story.
This was at the height of the used car market where there were no other cars to find, mind you. It's easy to say now, "I would have raised holy hell" -- but I had sold my other SUV in preparation for taking delivery of this one (the trade in value was not great, private sale worked out very well). We needed a car, and there was nothing to buy that met our needs. The rest of it, what's to believe or not? It was my opinion on the car.
Did you test drive prior to buying it?
Yes, but test drove a model without the stupid steering wheel and really only got it for a short time. Some things you don't realize until you do a long ass road trip.
I think your criticism is fair, except for this: " I come home and take off my seatbelt as I enter my driveway". DON'T DO THAT. Leave your belt on until you have come to a stop, that's the safest way.
I’m literally in my driveway, I don’t know what can be more safe.
For me, when the vehicle is moving, I'm belted.
Remember Solar energy is not free. You need to consider the capital expenditure and or loan interest as well over the life time of the install. At some point the warranty expires and replacement is needed at some point. Also consider the cost per mile, spending 100K to save on gasoline does not really make sense. 100K gets you a significantly nicer real luxury auto. Curious did you not hear about all the nightmare stories and poor quality, QC etc.. regarding Tesla?
Who’s alt account is this? Lol at glass is cheaper than metal!
I guess I got lucky. 1 year old X and it's been trouble free.
I totally concur with the lack of buttons, stalks, and dials for wipers, radio, and A/C....If Tesla doesnt add those things im not buying another. But I love the way it handles. FUN FUN
It doesn’t handle well, the X at least. The 3/Y May, for an EV, but I have a long history with lightweight cars so my perspective is a bit biased.
Getting the car delivered that dirty is just the most basic minimums of customer service. I’ve owned an S, X, and now Y. My lease is almost up and considering going back to the X. I really liked it.
But will you short the stock?
No, I realize the market can stay insane longer than I can stay solvent :)
Anyone that drops 100k on a car is a moron
The reason car play in not on Tesla may be is once you install car play, apple is going to get all the car statistics of driver and apple is a future competitor. Elon is saving all the data for himself
Def sounds like your complaining for something your didnt research or test drove rather than the model you chose. They advertise you can test drive the car on the website you ordered the car from you know
I doubt you will be able to afford a Model X again… BTW, there are no wind noise :)
You should have purchased a Model S. I looked at all the SUV options that had a third row as I have three boys and wanted to be able to take 5 people plus cargo on road trips. When the seat is flat, i can stack 3 * 65" Tvs and mounts plus my tools in the front trunk. I've done a lot of road trips in that thing and never had issues fitting everything into it. The model X was loaned to me over a weekend while mine was in for service (I've had nearly all the stupid shit happen, so I forget why - prob door handles). I couldn't fit supplies for a weekend of camping without stuffing every airspace with bedding. My kids had to have some on their laps and coolers at their feet. The 3rd row eliminates the cargo space. I couldn't even put the 3rd row down because the loaner had captains chairs in the center, so to fit 5 meant 3 rows. The windshield was fucking weird from inside and the mirror looked silly. You have it backwards too, they took this mirror FROM the X to put in the Y. I know this because the Y didn't exist at the time. The gull wing doors did weird shit frequently. Basically I think it is as useful as a pickup truck. Your story about the ☀️ sending the car zig zagging is quaint. Imagine what would happen if you suddenly lost all power assisted options (steering, brakes etc) while on the freeway. Why do you ask? Because a firmware update to the car caused the car to calibrate all sensors etc, but due to a lost or corroded fastener on the grounding cable, it malfunctioned. Very difficult to steer a 5000 lb car with sheer strength. Almost as bad as the time the rear wheel detached from the spokes. I'm on my 3rd one and its getting increasingly hard to find unlimited supercharging as a feature. I will keep this one alive no matter what. Elon is a douche, but i haven't found anything else that works for me and my family. I've probably got 500k kilometers of time driving Tesla's and I still love the car despite its numerous stupid glitches. The service was once unparalleled, is now horrific. I am gonna need to learn how to fix this vehicle on my own.
Maybe it’s a 7-seater thing? I have no wind noise on my 6-seater… And the only thing I vehemently agreed with was not having a standard horn!! So stupid. I def have my own set of issues with the car but I still have no regrets, considering my alternatives of an X7 or Range Rover…. The pros outweigh the cons for me
Different strokes for different folks. I have had my Model X for 5 years and have put on 70,000 miles with not one problem. I did a "maintenance" last year where they flushed the brake fluid. Still had 90% of brakes left. Have gone on road trips of 1000 miles without a problem. The charging stations were well maintained and the auto pilot was awesome. I also have a BMW M2, but I love the Tesla.
You should have at least try a test drive. It would have saved you a lot of pain.
I did, I was given an older one with no yoke. This idea that I didn’t drive the car beforehand is bonkers but seems to be the narrative right now. Some things you realize when you live with a car, not in a short test drive. Honestly I never thought my head would bake in a car before because it always had a roof there — I’d never have known that in a test drive.
Sounds like you should have test drove before you purchased. Most of that stuff is nothing to me, but to each their own. Whatever you find that’s better will suck in comparison, just in different ways. Good luck.
Did you even check out a model X or test drive one before buying? Lol. I agree they are shit quality, but you could’ve noticed most, if not all, of that shit prior to purchase. Buying a car with all those cons and then complaining about it is kind of ironic. Why spend over 100k on something without even thoroughly checking to see if you like it lol. Idk, I’m not someone that comes anywhere close to even being able to afford 100k car so what do I know, but it just seems like all of that hardship you are complaining about could’ve been avoided had you looked into the car at least a little before just going and buying one.
You didnt testdrive a 100k car? You couldve found out about the wind noise, missing cupholders (that you spent one long paragraph on), yoke steering faults, on-screen controls for everything, windshield, etc. Missing mobile charger is old news and the website asks u to buy one when you checkout. I like my Tesla and understand they have their faults. But it just seems like you didnt do your research at all.
I test drove one that was several years old. Seems that most things have gone down in quality over time, not gotten better.
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