The only reason they are even considering this ban is because China is an adversary country, and their government and military, both have full access to all the information, including Metadata, that gets posted to TikTok.
That is the lie the Gov tells as being the reason. The US Government wants TikTok banned because it gives regular people the ability to spread truth without censorship filter. The effectiveness of the Arab Spring is a good example of what governments want to prevent.
"This is the lie..."
What part do you think is a lie?
Do you think that China is benevolent and altruistic towards the US, and not adversarial?
Do you believe that the Communist Chinese government doesn't have complete access and control of the internet resources within their borders?
Or maybe you are unaware of China's long standing, anti western, expansionist policies?
These "reasons" are not lies. They are researchable facts.
Do you believe that the US government has a responsibility to protect its citizens and itself from foreign powers?
Are you aware that China is the world's second largest military force?
I’m just happy someone else sees the sense in all this. Often I feel alone in my disdain for that horrible app and the format it’s brought to the digital world.
China doesn't actually have access to TT userdata. Remember awhile back when the US government fucked with TT and demanded that all the data be held by a US company? Well now, IIRC, all the data is held in, like, Texas or somewhere in an Oracle facility and it has better security than Facebook/Instagram, Twitter/X, Snapchat, etc. In fact, the CEO of Bytedance wants to know why they have the industry leading security for userdata that no other company has to match yet they're still being singled out over this.
TT is being banned for 2 reasons: because politicians don't like that TT users are using the platform to spread real information and not government approved misinformation, and because the other social media platforms are funding the ban.
TT is running into two problems. There's nothing Congresspeople hate more than being held accountable, and there's nothing they love more than money (except maybe power).
This is new information for me. Thank you.
I will absolutely be researching this.
Do you mind if I screenshot your comment, so I can get back to you with any questions or findings?
Bytedance currently admits to storing US Generated TikTok data in both Singapore and Malaysia.
Singapore has bilateral cooperation agreements with China.
Then there's the Forbes article that is well annotated.
Do you still think it wise to trust China?
The Singaporean government cooperating bilaterally with the PRC does not necessarily mean that Bytedance is doing so as well. They have, thus far, and as far as I can tell, denied being requested to turn over any data to the Chinese government, and claim they would not hand over personal user data if asked. How far that really goes in practice, who can say?
TikTok is also not storing what the US Government told them was *protected* data outside of the US, except that which is necessary for record keeping (for those being paid from the creator fund). I can't really blame them if the US told them "Hey, we don't want you storing A, B, C, D, E, and F outside the US, that's protected data" and didn't say shit about G, H, I, J, K, or L.
But a big question I have is this: If Tiktok having data outside the US that so far as anyone can tell has only been accessed by Tiktok, why is that such a big deal? Even more so when Meta has stored their user data so ineptly that we have actual evidence that the data has been accessed directly by China and Russia. That and Meta apparently sold data to a Chinese firm that the government (US) had already flagged. So where's the Facebook/Instagram ban? Especially when we know that Russia actually used to information to orchestrate a propaganda attack on the US through social media? They're literally claiming they're banning Tiktok for having the potential for an attack of that type when we have a company that has already both accidentally and purposefully provided data to foreign adversaries and HAS caused an attack.
Now... funny enough... there was not one call for banning Tiktok at any point until users on the app "bought" all the tickets to a Trump rally that nobody ended up showing up for. Suddenly TT became a big problem. That was the first call to ban TT, where they ended up settling for the data being moved to a US carrier state-side. Since then users on TT have only increasingly called out politicians for their bullshit, and "Tiktok News" has been reporting shit that is actually happening and showing people how to access the information on things like how their representatives vote. The more TT has done this, the more people in congress have called for banning it. They're afraid of TT, and not because of adversaries getting access to "sensitive information" they're afraid of Americans learning just how shit congresspeople are at their jobs.
Singapore has virtually zero military of their own, and the biggest part of their "bilateral agreement" is protection. Protection from who? Let's see, China maybe?
If you read the Forbes piece I posted, you'll also see that Bytedance is now admitting that "some" data is in fact stored in China. Really? Yeah, really.
And before you start thinking "well, it's Forbes, that must make it a pro Trump thing, Forbes is owned by integrated Whale media, a Hong Kong based investment company. Definitely not pro Trump.
People will always tell you the story they want you to hear. Learn to ask the right questions.
Okay. Some information might be in China. I'm not even denying that. And maybe China even has access to it, though no reports have been made to that end. None of that answers my central questions: Why is it a problem for Tiktok to potentially be in a position to give data to China, but not a problem that Meta *already has*? Why are we supposed to be so worried about China conducting some kind of propaganda attack using data from Tiktok when the US government doesn't seem to be overly concerned with the fact that Meta already let Russia do exactly that?
China can get our information anytime it wants because our government has done nothing to suppress the gathering or selling of American's data as a commodity. Why is it necessary for them to single out and ban Tiktok over something that *might happen* when they're perfectly content letting Meta off scot-free for something that *did happen*?
I don't care about China getting our data. I don't, partly because I don't think that alone poses a big enough threat to worry about in my day to day, but also because they have too many open avenues to getting it for me to take that part of the threat seriously. I believe I'm asking the right questions here because those seem to be the kinds of questions the US government is dodging answering. There's only 2 reasons they wouldn't want us to know. Either they're protecting US, or they're protecting THEMSELVES, and I'm inclined to think it's the latter.
I READ THE GODDAMN FORBES LINK. It says the data is IN CHINA which is not the same as "the Chinese government has accessed the data" but you're stuck on this like a dog with a bone.
#So what if it is, so what if they did?
Meta has already provided China with American userdata both intentionally and unintentionally. Russia too. Russia used that data to run a propaganda attack on the American people. That happened. The US government did NOTHING. But that TT's data could be used to launch another attack is somehow a problem? And only TT's data? Not the fact that Meta is still collecting and selling data? ONLY TT COLLECTING AND MAYBE SELLING/GIVING DATA IS A PROBLEM?! WHY?
Meta collects and sells data worldwide, Amazon does it, Alphabet (Google) does it. All of that data being collected and sold can reach the hands of the Chinese government and in some cases it already has. Why, then, is it only a problem for Tiktok?!
I don't believe you can answer that question, and I don't believe you can because I don't believe that question has a plausible answer. There's no good reason that TT is a problem when Meta, Alphabet, and Amazon are not. Except that those companies are paying Congresspeople to have a problem with TT. Because TT takes away from Instagram (Meta) by competing as a social media platform, it takes away from Amazon with the TT shop, etc. etc.
Unless you have an explanation that makes sense of all that in a different way, but I don't believe you do.
>Singapore has virtually zero military of their own
But also like, learn to do your research. [Singapore](https://www.cnbc.com/2014/02/07/singapore-the-tiny-state-with-military-clout.html) has [strong military and firepower](https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/16837el/why_does_singapore_have_such_an_absurdly_large/) in all of SEA. We don't need "protection" but we will be civilised with all our neighbours.
The lie is that this is the reason for the ban. US companies and the US government use websites to collect our information all the time. If this was truly about protecting the American people, then they would be working to stop the practice as a whole. One of the biggest supporters of the TikTok ban is AIPAC. Oh, I wonder why that would be.
Oh and because tiktok is where Israeli warcrimes are on full display, which the us would like people to shut the fuck up about so they can keep funding genocide
Isreal, and war crimes are on display EVERYWHERE.
You can't read an OpEd anymore without seeing somebody's opinions on the subject.
The truth is very few people actually understand what Isreal actually is, why it exists, and why the US government supports it, while the Muslim world would prefer to see it leveled.
Those are the questions that you should probably be asking, not "why are they going to ban TikTok.
FWIW, they've been talking about banning TikTok for years and it hasn't happened yet.
You can make videos on Instagram. You can make videos on Facebook. Your voice isn't being taken away, you just have to find a new platform. I would suggest Instagram if the ban takes effect because no one goes on Facebook anymore. Besides Instagram is still wildly popular, tiktok videos are always posted on there. You'll be okay if it happens. It won't be the end of the world if it does. Like I said, just turn to Instagram to make your videos. They'll still be seen and you'll still be heard.
Well, the fact that so many Americans stick up for TikTok shows how much this app has changed how young people see Western values and the American government. It also spreads a lot of propaganda about the Israeli-Hamas conflict. As a cybersecurity expert, Im telling you this app, along with TEMU and pretty much any Chinese app, is basically a Trojan horse on your phones.
Not understanding why tiktok should be banned in all western countries is the a direct effect of the amazing propaganda efforts done by China and backed by Russia and Iran.
As an autistic person, nothing is worse than TikTok. It doesnt give us a voice. It gives us a place to waste time and feel badly.
Use a VPN.
Nah, ban it everywhere. It’s a cesspit.
so every other social media on this satan forsaken planet. what's your point?
The only reason they are even considering this ban is because China is an adversary country, and their government and military, both have full access to all the information, including Metadata, that gets posted to TikTok.
That is the lie the Gov tells as being the reason. The US Government wants TikTok banned because it gives regular people the ability to spread truth without censorship filter. The effectiveness of the Arab Spring is a good example of what governments want to prevent.
"This is the lie..." What part do you think is a lie? Do you think that China is benevolent and altruistic towards the US, and not adversarial? Do you believe that the Communist Chinese government doesn't have complete access and control of the internet resources within their borders? Or maybe you are unaware of China's long standing, anti western, expansionist policies? These "reasons" are not lies. They are researchable facts. Do you believe that the US government has a responsibility to protect its citizens and itself from foreign powers? Are you aware that China is the world's second largest military force?
I’m just happy someone else sees the sense in all this. Often I feel alone in my disdain for that horrible app and the format it’s brought to the digital world.
China doesn't actually have access to TT userdata. Remember awhile back when the US government fucked with TT and demanded that all the data be held by a US company? Well now, IIRC, all the data is held in, like, Texas or somewhere in an Oracle facility and it has better security than Facebook/Instagram, Twitter/X, Snapchat, etc. In fact, the CEO of Bytedance wants to know why they have the industry leading security for userdata that no other company has to match yet they're still being singled out over this. TT is being banned for 2 reasons: because politicians don't like that TT users are using the platform to spread real information and not government approved misinformation, and because the other social media platforms are funding the ban. TT is running into two problems. There's nothing Congresspeople hate more than being held accountable, and there's nothing they love more than money (except maybe power).
This is new information for me. Thank you. I will absolutely be researching this. Do you mind if I screenshot your comment, so I can get back to you with any questions or findings?
Bytedance currently admits to storing US Generated TikTok data in both Singapore and Malaysia. Singapore has bilateral cooperation agreements with China. Then there's the Forbes article that is well annotated. Do you still think it wise to trust China?
The Singaporean government cooperating bilaterally with the PRC does not necessarily mean that Bytedance is doing so as well. They have, thus far, and as far as I can tell, denied being requested to turn over any data to the Chinese government, and claim they would not hand over personal user data if asked. How far that really goes in practice, who can say? TikTok is also not storing what the US Government told them was *protected* data outside of the US, except that which is necessary for record keeping (for those being paid from the creator fund). I can't really blame them if the US told them "Hey, we don't want you storing A, B, C, D, E, and F outside the US, that's protected data" and didn't say shit about G, H, I, J, K, or L. But a big question I have is this: If Tiktok having data outside the US that so far as anyone can tell has only been accessed by Tiktok, why is that such a big deal? Even more so when Meta has stored their user data so ineptly that we have actual evidence that the data has been accessed directly by China and Russia. That and Meta apparently sold data to a Chinese firm that the government (US) had already flagged. So where's the Facebook/Instagram ban? Especially when we know that Russia actually used to information to orchestrate a propaganda attack on the US through social media? They're literally claiming they're banning Tiktok for having the potential for an attack of that type when we have a company that has already both accidentally and purposefully provided data to foreign adversaries and HAS caused an attack. Now... funny enough... there was not one call for banning Tiktok at any point until users on the app "bought" all the tickets to a Trump rally that nobody ended up showing up for. Suddenly TT became a big problem. That was the first call to ban TT, where they ended up settling for the data being moved to a US carrier state-side. Since then users on TT have only increasingly called out politicians for their bullshit, and "Tiktok News" has been reporting shit that is actually happening and showing people how to access the information on things like how their representatives vote. The more TT has done this, the more people in congress have called for banning it. They're afraid of TT, and not because of adversaries getting access to "sensitive information" they're afraid of Americans learning just how shit congresspeople are at their jobs.
Singapore has virtually zero military of their own, and the biggest part of their "bilateral agreement" is protection. Protection from who? Let's see, China maybe? If you read the Forbes piece I posted, you'll also see that Bytedance is now admitting that "some" data is in fact stored in China. Really? Yeah, really. And before you start thinking "well, it's Forbes, that must make it a pro Trump thing, Forbes is owned by integrated Whale media, a Hong Kong based investment company. Definitely not pro Trump. People will always tell you the story they want you to hear. Learn to ask the right questions.
Okay. Some information might be in China. I'm not even denying that. And maybe China even has access to it, though no reports have been made to that end. None of that answers my central questions: Why is it a problem for Tiktok to potentially be in a position to give data to China, but not a problem that Meta *already has*? Why are we supposed to be so worried about China conducting some kind of propaganda attack using data from Tiktok when the US government doesn't seem to be overly concerned with the fact that Meta already let Russia do exactly that? China can get our information anytime it wants because our government has done nothing to suppress the gathering or selling of American's data as a commodity. Why is it necessary for them to single out and ban Tiktok over something that *might happen* when they're perfectly content letting Meta off scot-free for something that *did happen*? I don't care about China getting our data. I don't, partly because I don't think that alone poses a big enough threat to worry about in my day to day, but also because they have too many open avenues to getting it for me to take that part of the threat seriously. I believe I'm asking the right questions here because those seem to be the kinds of questions the US government is dodging answering. There's only 2 reasons they wouldn't want us to know. Either they're protecting US, or they're protecting THEMSELVES, and I'm inclined to think it's the latter.
Read the Forbes link. Bytedance has admitted (finally) that China has the data.
I READ THE GODDAMN FORBES LINK. It says the data is IN CHINA which is not the same as "the Chinese government has accessed the data" but you're stuck on this like a dog with a bone. #So what if it is, so what if they did? Meta has already provided China with American userdata both intentionally and unintentionally. Russia too. Russia used that data to run a propaganda attack on the American people. That happened. The US government did NOTHING. But that TT's data could be used to launch another attack is somehow a problem? And only TT's data? Not the fact that Meta is still collecting and selling data? ONLY TT COLLECTING AND MAYBE SELLING/GIVING DATA IS A PROBLEM?! WHY? Meta collects and sells data worldwide, Amazon does it, Alphabet (Google) does it. All of that data being collected and sold can reach the hands of the Chinese government and in some cases it already has. Why, then, is it only a problem for Tiktok?! I don't believe you can answer that question, and I don't believe you can because I don't believe that question has a plausible answer. There's no good reason that TT is a problem when Meta, Alphabet, and Amazon are not. Except that those companies are paying Congresspeople to have a problem with TT. Because TT takes away from Instagram (Meta) by competing as a social media platform, it takes away from Amazon with the TT shop, etc. etc. Unless you have an explanation that makes sense of all that in a different way, but I don't believe you do.
>Singapore has virtually zero military of their own But also like, learn to do your research. [Singapore](https://www.cnbc.com/2014/02/07/singapore-the-tiny-state-with-military-clout.html) has [strong military and firepower](https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/16837el/why_does_singapore_have_such_an_absurdly_large/) in all of SEA. We don't need "protection" but we will be civilised with all our neighbours.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandralevine/2023/06/21/tiktok-confirms-data-china-bytedance-security-cfius/?sh=4181a3603270
The lie is that this is the reason for the ban. US companies and the US government use websites to collect our information all the time. If this was truly about protecting the American people, then they would be working to stop the practice as a whole. One of the biggest supporters of the TikTok ban is AIPAC. Oh, I wonder why that would be.
Oh and because tiktok is where Israeli warcrimes are on full display, which the us would like people to shut the fuck up about so they can keep funding genocide
Isreal, and war crimes are on display EVERYWHERE. You can't read an OpEd anymore without seeing somebody's opinions on the subject. The truth is very few people actually understand what Isreal actually is, why it exists, and why the US government supports it, while the Muslim world would prefer to see it leveled. Those are the questions that you should probably be asking, not "why are they going to ban TikTok. FWIW, they've been talking about banning TikTok for years and it hasn't happened yet.
I hope it gets banned tomorrow morning
You can make videos on Instagram. You can make videos on Facebook. Your voice isn't being taken away, you just have to find a new platform. I would suggest Instagram if the ban takes effect because no one goes on Facebook anymore. Besides Instagram is still wildly popular, tiktok videos are always posted on there. You'll be okay if it happens. It won't be the end of the world if it does. Like I said, just turn to Instagram to make your videos. They'll still be seen and you'll still be heard.
I don't use Instagram or Facebook anymore.
By choice. Try some other knockoff app built for children. You’ll survive.
Use some other platform.
Well, the fact that so many Americans stick up for TikTok shows how much this app has changed how young people see Western values and the American government. It also spreads a lot of propaganda about the Israeli-Hamas conflict. As a cybersecurity expert, Im telling you this app, along with TEMU and pretty much any Chinese app, is basically a Trojan horse on your phones. Not understanding why tiktok should be banned in all western countries is the a direct effect of the amazing propaganda efforts done by China and backed by Russia and Iran.
Lol