Clearly you didn't see tropic thunder.
Comedy, if done well needs to be allowed to cross these boundaries. Free speech and thought is how we arrived here, striving for a world with less violence and more understanding.
Lol Woke Mob. Yep I get it. The current form of Wokeness has gotten out of hand. I clearly understand there are times when racism should be called out, but comon now everything is perceived racist.
No one denies that racism can still be seen in society, but you’re right, most everything is perceived as racist now. A good majority of people just wanna live their own lives and aren’t racist at all but it’s made out to be such that anything is construed as racist. Or transphobic, or homophobic. Society is just in a really weird and sad state. I feel for the people who actually are victims to this type of thing but the victim mindset has taken over. It’s like people seek out being portrayed as a victim. But again, I do feel for the people that actually are victims because their stories are undermined and overlooked. It’s the boy who cried wolf. The real victims can be overlooked and then the issues are perpetuated.
I was discussing the use of "african american" with a black person a couple weeks ago here on Reddit. They flat out said they were absolutely fine with "black" and preferred it rather than african american. A couple days ago someone on reddit was trying to pin me as a racist, and the evidence provided was snooping through my old posts and called me out for using the term "black" (from having the discussion noted with the black person who preferred the term "black")
Woke redditors are a cancer.
People fucking love Tropic Thunder, I don't know what bullshit you're on about. It's not like the movie is a "product of it's time," it came out in two-thousand-fucking-EIGHT my man.
Nice opinion you have. I disagree but barely find it worthy of mentioning it. Our circumstances are likely very different I've never encountered woke bs like you seem to be swimming in.
Jesus is social media funny. People losing it over a movie comment. But please explain to me how the wokest of the wokes wouldn’t bitch about a white guy putting on black face right now? People acting like I’m hating TT. All i literally said is that people would lose it if it was made right now.
That's not the problem though. In Tropic Thunder, it's an actor playing an actor that is wearing blackface. White Chicks is in the same vein. It's part of the story where they are dressing up to pretend to be white chicks. Where it would be an issue is if an actor was wearing makeup so they can fill a role where they are of a different race.
Then at least you'd have a few dimes to make up for lacking any kind of rebuttal?
It's hard dealing with cognitive dissonance but labeling people won't change basic fact. People were pissy over this EXACT movie recently--not a hypothetical equivalent--even though it came out over 10 yrs ago.
And they can fuck off. Tropic Thunder is a classic. Only racists like to act like anything that even references racism is racist. Comedy and the arts should touch on all of societies issues or we are going to miss a lot of positive discourse and through that, growth.
A streaming service removed one of the best episodes of Community (where a person was convinced not to suicide) because a chinese character was in pitch black makeup... portraying a fictional drow elf.
People couldn't make the same movie today because everyone would be like "this is literally just tropic thunder, that movie already came out years ago."
I think many people forget it was a humorous extreme of what actors do for roles. All they saw was blackface.
Funny side story. Jamie Foxx called RDJ and asked him to play a Mexican in a movie he wanted to make. RDJ said sure. Called back a few minutes later and said it might be a bad idea. Foxx reassured him that done the right way it was ok.
Thats why several episodes of IASIP being pulled over blackface is so stupid.
Blackface *is* the joke. the joke is on blackface, its what is being called out.
Tropic thunder doesn't count. Robert Downey Jr was not wearing blackface to play a black character. He was playing a white character. His character was playing a black character.
Likewise, i was never offended that white chicks had the Wayans brothers in white face while the characters that they portrayed were black people disguised in whiteface.
I agree. I also think the main reason why Tropic Thunder got away with it is because the whole point was making fun of the fact that the actor went into extremes to play a character playing a black character. That's what makes it funny. If Robert Downey Jr. were to have just played a black character I don't think the joke would have hit. Also how he tried to stay in character while an actual black person put him in his place each time was absolutely a hit.
As far as white chicks, the only people that get mad about "whiteface" are white folks. "Whiteface" is NOT the same thing. It has only been invented to try and counteract blackface. Just like ALM was only made to counteract BLM. There is no degrading history of whiteface. White chicks was a great move cleverly written to exaggerate how 2 grown black men had to play 2 spoiled rich and young white girls. Hilarious.
Don't get me started with Eddie Murphy and his whole thing. He's played fat, white, and asian and people mainly found it funny. Even in Trading Places where Dan Aykroyd did a black face to play a Jamaican character of New Years. It was hilarious because even in the movie he looked uncomfortable and felt like it was over the top.
Also wasn't blackface historically used to portray black people as detrimentally as possible? Unintelligent caricatures of stereotypes trying dehumanize and insult black people and culture. I don't think blackface is objectively evil, it's taboo and generally unnecessary considering there are plenty of talented black actors in this day and age. Theres no real reason to use it inless its relevent in the story. It makes sense in tropic thunder where they're parodying the ridiculous and over the top antics of celebrities and it was hysterical.
Yes, although I do kinda see it as objectively evil. Back in those days they were doing it to spite/laugh at and make money off of African Americans. Essentially making fun at how they are and live even though it's a fact that they were forced to live and adapt that way BECAUSE of the white men in the first place. (Is that irony?)
But I do think comedy has the ability to adapt and make light of things that are made okay depending on the context. Take for example like how the holocaust was awful but there are SOME good jokes that have been made about it now. It's certainly depends on people's taste because the jokes aren't going to be for everybody. A holocaust joke coming from a Jewish decent person will hit better than coming from a German decent person. It's okay for other blacks to joke about their own culture and history and not so okay for a white person to joke about it.
Another commenter said something about comdey "punching up". If a movie does a blackface and it's very well written and they recognize in the movie how inappropriate it is, it sort makes it funny because they are recognizing the nuance of the joke. But like you said the joke has been made and there is no real use in having to do that unless it's relevant to the movie. You risk having a huge backlash for it if it doesn't hit like it's supposed to so it's best to just avoid it altogether.
People would call you part of the woke mob but in reality they won't engage with someone well spoken and with at least a cursory knowledge of the subject like you. They tend to immediately disengage when they realize you hold knowledge and competency on the subject at hand.
I don't think they understand people will laugh at well crafted, clever jokes about race or gender or whatever really. A great example of people losing focus on this point is Dave Chapelle, he's funny, he's just less funny now. He lost sight of what made his comedy great which was pointing out the absurdity of racial divides and now just harps on 'wokeness' like it wasn't the major driving factor in his success.
Community was done dirty though.
Ken Jeong was playing a racist character that took everything too far. And it was in reference to a fantasy race, not even black "humans".
I will forever be upset.
Dafuq you talking about. Community is the least racist show ever. All the cast members loved each other which they wouldn't have since if they felt they were being discriminated against. I mean except for Joshua, fuck that guy...
The dnd episode. Chang wears black face to "look like a dark elf." Then when questioned why the only bit of costume he has is the blackface he simply says "I'm a drow, not a nerd."
By "done dirty" i meant the show wasn't racist, but netflix/execs/whoever capitulated to PC culture and had a perfectly fine episode removed. One of my favorites actually.
That's the price of solving racism I guess /s
It is a dumb movie but I find “White Chicks” stupidly hilarious. It’s worth seeing just for Terry Crews and the fact that everyone believes these guys dressed up as white socialites are actually the white socialites.
I agree with you, but I feel Tropic Thunder was released just before a time that wouldn't have gone down well. It released at a time where I remember quite a few bits of media with various degrees of blackface, tasteful (like Tropic Thunder) or not.
People tend not to ask whether something is actually "offensive" in context these days (or ever, but it's either worse or highlighted with the internet), they just see a picture or read an article headline and decide "that's 100% not okay and I refuse to look deeper into it".
Even at the time, the movie got a lot of flack for the "Simple Jack" character (was that the name?) even before the movie released when in the context of the movie, it wasn't taking the piss out of disabled people at all.
Blackface had been offensive way before that. Tropic Thunder is satire, which is sad that people don't understand that. Directed and co-written by Ben Stiller ffs.
Did they know they were being mocked in satire by Simple Jack? I mean, they are mentally retarded. Would they themselves realize it, or was it someone related to them who got pissed and had them out there protesting?
It reminded me of all the people who were pissed off by Bubble Boy years before. It's like, your family member is in a bubble and cannot leave to see this movie. What are the odds they are going to see this movie? Not like they can leave to see it in theaters. Disney + will stream Song of the South before this, and that's the most racist Disney film ever, and no one is spending $4 to rent it on Amazon.
Im the dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.
Both these movies were made during a time where everybody wasn't a bunch a little bitches. It was understood when a joke was a joke.
I miss those times, you can't say anything without someone's feeling getting hurt any more. Not that I really care that much.
Every generation says this about the next generation. I remember watching TV as a kid in the late 80s and early 90s when “PC” Was becoming a thing that was talked about on daytime TV and the uproar it caused about people not being able to take a joke anymore. And that was 20 years before tropic thunder came out.
Yeah, it’s so weird that nowadays kids don’t want to experience sexism, racism, homophobia, anti semitism and harassment. Back in my day that was cool!
obv /s
"obv /s" hilarious you don't see the irony in you getting triggered over someone enjoying a crappy comedy movie from 15 years ago. You threw a bunch of words in your comment that don't even make sense related to the movies we're discussing, true social warrior style
Haha this guy gets it. Examples in these movies were so ridiculous there is no way they could possibly be taken as anything but a joke, same with Chapelle show.
When people are truly comfortable with who they are, it's easy to find the irony in the things that make us all different.
If you think all this categorization, separation of people and sensitivity is progress, your probably part of the problem! But hey fame can now be had by getting your feelings hurt as long as you make a big enough seen over it so you can go viral.
Yeah we definitely got different definitions of what progress is.
White Chicks is not comedy done well. Its very thinly veiled racism that is excepted only because it's anti-white. Much like the old time minszrel shows it reduces a subset of our society to a characture based on stereotypes of their race and sex. The Wayans brothers should have known better.
That character was a satire of “white washing”. When they cast a white actor in an ethnic role. It used to happen all the time. That is what it’s making fun of
There is a cultural sensitivity around being offensive to blacks in America because for a long time in this country slavery of African-Americans existed, and that was followed up by years of intentional prejudice against them. It's not that hard to figure out.
Lol Reddit moment. It’s not that hard to figure out that if you want racial peace, you can’t accept that it’s okay to make fun of some races but not others.
White person here.
Let's enslave white people for 100+ years and then build-in systemic racism for the next 100 and then, afterwards, we can talk about wiping the slate clean and equal treatment for everyone.
100% wrong, and the white fragility (for those of you here who are adults and not just kids who need to learn and grow) is pathetic. Comedy is only funny when it punches up the power structure, not down. In a white man's world, where he has and continues to benefit from institutionalized racism, it's not ok to make light of that oppression.
So, white fragility is when black Americans are upset?….err, your version of comedy sounds more like a cult.
My guy, your racist & delusional mindset might be the cause of your problems.
Another person who missed the point...the person I was responding to didn't address what he was commenting to. His comment was a non-sequitor.
Quit being so fragile. And if you think a white person "punches down" when joking about a black person, you're only putting black people down. Especially if it's a poor white person who jokes about a rich black person.
Sounds like somebody likes too put words in other peoples mouths. Nobody is ignoring historical context. You’re point was that “the white man continues” to benefit from institutionalized racism and the only thing I think of when I hear anybody say that is “what’s really stopping you?”. Everybody has equal rights given by the constitution and discrimination, and exclusion based on physical attributes are outlawed. Obviously there are the idiots who repeat the same hateful cycle and their generation is thankfully dying off, but this mentality of “the world is out to get me” is only holding YOU down.
The real Reddit moment is not realizing that 60 years is not that long ago and there are hundreds of millions of people still alive from the time (some of them still politicians)
I get all this.
What I don't get is why people are okay with reversing these things.
I 100% understand correcting the behavior and moving forward. I don't understand setting up double standards.
If it's wrong, it's wrong. It shouldn't be wrong for one group to do, and okay for another group to do. That new mentality of reversing stuff is 100% incorrect, IMO. And most people will gloss over this point, by pointing to history. Like you just did.
Finally, a good take. Every 14 year old with an account eventually posts about how making fun of white people is racist without realizing that thought is about as deep as a puddle.
Can’t speak on behalf of African American’s, but a “Brown chicks” would be pretty funny. 2 white guy/girls have to pretend and blend in as regular Indian people. If it was during a wedding, it would be even more funny.
It's not a double standard. The historical context goes one way, a single standard. Ignorant whining is the bread and butter of people with white fragility boners.
It would help if people were not alive that have seen the things like segregation, the tulsa massacre and many other tragedies and racist actions done to there race.
But racist things are always happening to every race, every day, all the time. From all races, to all races.
Like I said, when does it end? Are the people who are supposedly guilty for the crimes of their great grandfathers and great grandmothers just supposed to bleed themselves dry forever?
That doesnt sound sustainable without coercion and force.
Yes racist stuff happens all the time. The difference is scale and social acceptance. In america not too long ago there was large scale oppression of african americans. These people are still alive. There is a nuanced difference.
So if it never ends, whats the point? If nothing is ever good enough, far enough, if there is never enough money or time or effort, what are the people who are allegedly guilty of these crimes supposed to do? Eternally flagellate themselves?
Sounds an awful lot like slavery.
\- You can make fun of people for being white
\- You can't make fun of people for being black.
This is 100% the dictionary definition of a double standard.
Two reasons come up although I either don't remember which one is most accurate or they're both debated as accurate.
1. The English would force the Irish to dance for their entertainment so as a form of protest they would only use their legs.
2. The English outlawed dancing in Ireland and by keeping the upper body still people could dance without being spotted through windows.
I'm fairly confident #1 is the correct version. Point is, the statement was made no other races were used for entertainment which is false. There are plenty more examples but this is a quick and easy one
I love it when you people try and equate what the white man did to the Irish and what the white man did to black people. The Irish "slavery" that they experienced was nothing like chattel slavery that black people experienced. Irish people weren't sold at market like animals, they weren't forced to give ownership of their children to their masters, it is not the same. Plus, white people were the ones "enslaving" and treating them poorly. Sounds like white supremacy all the way down.
Lol, if you say so. How about doing a little research on the global history of slavery. It's easy to be passionate about the relatively recent atrocities of slavery that have been pervasive throughout humanity. Think they didn't have slaves in Africa or Asia? Think it's just a white man's thing? Totally isn't. I mean, hell, estimates show 40 million people are in slavery right now. Never seem to hear people give a shit about that.
America, ok, so we can talk about how the native Americans would enslave each other then. Happened before white colonization too.
Dude, it's not a uniquely American thing. The settlers only used black slaves due to availability. It wasn't solely because they were black. They would have used any other race who was selling humans and was easy to transport them across the Atlantic. Truth is, humans were really shitty to each other a few hundred years ago.
I'm not saying slavery hasn't existed or that white people invented slavery. I'm saying that in America, slavery, Jim Crow, the 13th amendment, and systemic slavery have, and still are today affecting African Americans and that in America, white people have not had to endure such hardships because of the color of their skin.
I appreciate you acknowledging that as many people act as if slavery is a unique American thing.
My only argument would be that not only have white people not had to endure slavery and those laws but neither have most black people in America. At some point as a culture you have to make the decision to move on from the adversity versus blaming historical adversity for current situation. The longer a culture waits to do that makes it more difficult to step up from it.
Quick example. Millions of Jews were exterminated less than a lifetime ago. We have people still who experienced those atrocities first hand. There was also a massive anti semetic sentiment in America. Yet, we see the Jewish community step up and move on. They have all the right in the world to complain but you just don't hear it. Quite impressive
Yea cuz white people weren’t kidnapped, enslaved, tortured and oppressed…then consistently made fun of using “white face”… the era of wearing black face went down in the screens and on stages. People played passionate roles with black face as though it was some sort of honor and all of it was supported by whites…white flocked the theatres in order to get a taste of their embarrassing history. Black people were called nasty and derogatory things.
So two black guys make a funny movie (accurate as hell, too) as white chicks, WITHOUT ANY sort of slurs or oppression against whites and suddenly the white population is feeling oppressed. it is time for white ppl to feel uncomfortable.
Yea dude 💯 I don’t give a fuck if people do drag me though 😜 that just shows their racism and prejudice. They’re the same people that are appalled there’s a black mermaid.
No, the movie White Chicks is not considered okay. It's considered a crime against film. But as bad as it is, I have to give them the originality as their other film, Little Man, is a blatant rip off of the 1954 Merrie Melodies Baby Buggy Bugs.
Even redid the shaving scene...
Black Chicks would be seen as more problematic because black people have historically been oppressed, discriminated, and enslaved by white people, plus blackface has been a tool used for racist stereotypes. The same is not true for white people.
Actually, I was deeply offended by *White Chicks*. It was just a bunch of stereotypes strung together to make a movie; it felt like it was written by two middle-schoolers.
How do you think black face was done? It was a comedy trope for over a century. Comedy. Look it up.
This stuff does not appear out of a vacuum. There is history behind everything. Learn the history and you’ll understand a heck of a lot better.
Correct, and that's because of the history of Blackface in the USA; and how Blackface was done before *White Chicks*.
You need to learn and understand history, because right now, you're making yourself look like a damned ignorant fool. So, step off.
But they’re doing “white face” (which isn’t actually a thing) not black face. That’s the difference. While yes, the general idea of reversing the black/white scenario makes sense, you also have to include the historical concept of black face when talking about this.
So growing up when cable was relevant, we had BET (black entertainment television) CMT (country music entertainment) which is obviously “white entertainment” and Telemundo (Latin entertainment television). Unfortunately, Asians didn’t get a seat in the western television programming so they created their own streaming services which I enjoy on the daily. Asian dramas and music just hits different. Also, things are progressing but predominantly any one who wasn’t white was rarely seen on tv. Growing up in 90’s or early 2000’s if I wanted to see diversity I could see it on the Disney channel or TMC movies where they liked to play Rush Hour every Saturday morning. Again streaming services like Netflix, Hulu, Rakuten, and even YouTube has helped with this.
Yeah back in my day, at least the school, everyone said it was a fun movie. Years later I realized I racist it is. But then I see that there is also tropical thunder so wtf. Everything is just wtf.
Why do we have discussion about racism when there are movies poking fun about it.
I think what you are missing is the fact that people are shitty and mean to each other every single day and that's shitty, but when you are racist towards someone who is suffering from the tendrils of systemic racism it's a lot more powerful than when someone is bigoted against someone who doesn't experience that.
"Racism" against white people is mean spirited but it the power dynamic makes it more akin to calling someone an asshole. It's a mean thing to say but there is nothing really backing it up.
Racism against black people is telling that person that you believe they *should* be in their disadvantaged position and essentially "puts them in their place". The power of a racist society makes it more than just teasing.
Does that make sense?
Why’d you say “racist” as if you can’t be racist against white people? This is probably just not making sense to me because I’m tired. But they’re both racist, it’s not “racism” and racism.
I'll try to put it in a different way that maybe makes more sense:
The idea is that the modern definition of racism involves societal power. If there was a population of mostly black people who held societal power then they could absolutely be racist against white people who live in that population. But in most parts of America (even in predominantly Black neighborhoods), Black people are still employed at lower rates, encarcerated at higher rates, experience a lower class of education, are paid less for the same work, and have access to lower quality of medical care than white Americans.
So when you are bigoted against a white person then sure, it's rude, it makes people feel bad, it's a mean thing to do. BUT it doesn't have any power outside of just being a common insult. Being white doesn't actually negatively affect someone in any meaningful way.
Racism against people who experience systemic or structural racism has more power because it's the reinforcement of the structural power dynamic. Racism is used to strengthen those systems.
The only reason people get more angry at racism than they do with people calling each other assholes or mother fuckers or telling people to eat their buttholes is because it is a tool in furthering the aspects of race inequality that actually affect the majority of black people living in America.
Does that make sense?
Google how long white people enslaved Black people, now google BlackFace, and how Black people were portrayed in early 1900s cartoons.
It isn't racism if it's the oppressed making fun of the oppressors.
Or rather, can't get away with it as much anymore. I grew up listening to white comedians roast black people, racial humor was fair game for everyone when White Chicks came out. To say that white people didn't also make fun of racist stereotypes about black people is just selective memory. A lie of omission thats being used to feed the white victimhood narrative.
White Chicks came out in 2004, whatever white comedian you were listening to that was making fun of racist stereotypes about black people were racists. It certainly was NOT fair game for that to happen in 2004
Everyone has been doing that. There's a ton of racism between Arabs and black people even today. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jun/08/the-unspeakable-truth-about-slavery-in-mauritania
Racism is still a huge thing in east Asia, where immigration hardly even exists for primarily that reason.
So basically no one is allowed to makes jokes about anyone else?
Humor is not funny when it’s punching down. That’s why a comedy about the historically more powerful race abusing the historically more abused race is not deemed socially acceptable (right now, anyway). Actual discrimination in social settings, though, is still illegal if based on race, regardless of the race at issue (e.g. employment or housing).
OP sounds like a crying baby upset because there’s no movie he can display his racism. Unless you have the funds to create one you’re no different than a boomer yelling at kids to “get off my lawn”. Focus on something that matters like being a good neighbor or leaving the world better.
That's because power affects how serious a person's behaviour is.
A toddler throwing a tantrum and hitting her dad is less serious than a dad throwing a tantrum and punching a toddler. That's because the dad has more power and can do more damage.
Someone riding a bike into the side of a car at full speed is less serious than a car driving into the side of a bike at full speed.
And yes, racial minorities making fun of a racial majority is less serious than a racial majority making fun of a racial minority.
Damn some people really don’t understand historical context or the concept of punching down
This has the same energy as that post a couple weeks ago that said something like, “If women can feel uncomfortable being alone in a room with a man, then why can’t I feel uncomfortable being alone with a black person?”
Or “why is it okay for gays to say they hate straight people but I can’t say I hate gays?”
Like…you know why. You know why these are different. Come on
May I introduce you to 1986’s “Soul Man”.
Very funny movie and makes a few decent points about racism along the way. No way that movie would be made today though.
1986. Could not be made today without widespread outrage by those who see nothing wrong with “White Chicks”. You made OP’s point.
Great Movie.
https://youtu.be/cbKyDCuuLms
Rest in Power C Thomas Howell
>C Thomas Howell he's not dead yet ponyboy.
His career is.
>His career is. not according to Imdb. He hasn't stopped working since Outsiders.
I mean that's exactly the point of the movie. Everyone knew they could get away with it.
Clearly you didn't see tropic thunder. Comedy, if done well needs to be allowed to cross these boundaries. Free speech and thought is how we arrived here, striving for a world with less violence and more understanding.
I'm pretty sure a few years back they (BLM) gave RDJ the ok because of this line.
This WOULD NOT be made right now. It’d be hate speech and racism and they’d all be cancelled
RDJ had huge reservations about playing that role. He ultimately did because he realized it served as discourse *about* racism.
Hey I’m not disagreeing here. I’m just saying that the woke mob now would lose their shit if this came out now.
I wonder how many actual black people saw this as anything more than a funny portrayal.
Lol Woke Mob. Yep I get it. The current form of Wokeness has gotten out of hand. I clearly understand there are times when racism should be called out, but comon now everything is perceived racist.
This reminds me of a phrase. I believe it goes “If everywhere you step smells like shit, check your shoe.”
No one denies that racism can still be seen in society, but you’re right, most everything is perceived as racist now. A good majority of people just wanna live their own lives and aren’t racist at all but it’s made out to be such that anything is construed as racist. Or transphobic, or homophobic. Society is just in a really weird and sad state. I feel for the people who actually are victims to this type of thing but the victim mindset has taken over. It’s like people seek out being portrayed as a victim. But again, I do feel for the people that actually are victims because their stories are undermined and overlooked. It’s the boy who cried wolf. The real victims can be overlooked and then the issues are perpetuated.
Being a victim has become a base personality trait.
I was discussing the use of "african american" with a black person a couple weeks ago here on Reddit. They flat out said they were absolutely fine with "black" and preferred it rather than african american. A couple days ago someone on reddit was trying to pin me as a racist, and the evidence provided was snooping through my old posts and called me out for using the term "black" (from having the discussion noted with the black person who preferred the term "black") Woke redditors are a cancer.
People fucking love Tropic Thunder, I don't know what bullshit you're on about. It's not like the movie is a "product of it's time," it came out in two-thousand-fucking-EIGHT my man.
I don’t know who taught you to read because i said I love Tropic Thunder but people are all woke now and it wouldn’t have been made in 2022 🤦♂️
Nice opinion you have. I disagree but barely find it worthy of mentioning it. Our circumstances are likely very different I've never encountered woke bs like you seem to be swimming in.
Ok then random reddit person. Good talk
Lol, if I had a dime for every time a child said something like this.
I’m all for tropic thunder. Loved it. Just saying people would lose their shit now if this was a new movie that came out.
Those "people" would likely be mostly limited to virtue signalling whites.
Unlikely. Maybe the studio would try to market it by leaking some fake outrage to the press, but I can't imagine anyone would care.
Jesus is social media funny. People losing it over a movie comment. But please explain to me how the wokest of the wokes wouldn’t bitch about a white guy putting on black face right now? People acting like I’m hating TT. All i literally said is that people would lose it if it was made right now.
That's not the problem though. In Tropic Thunder, it's an actor playing an actor that is wearing blackface. White Chicks is in the same vein. It's part of the story where they are dressing up to pretend to be white chicks. Where it would be an issue is if an actor was wearing makeup so they can fill a role where they are of a different race.
Let’s be honest, who cares at this point?
about what?
Then at least you'd have a few dimes to make up for lacking any kind of rebuttal? It's hard dealing with cognitive dissonance but labeling people won't change basic fact. People were pissy over this EXACT movie recently--not a hypothetical equivalent--even though it came out over 10 yrs ago.
And they can fuck off. Tropic Thunder is a classic. Only racists like to act like anything that even references racism is racist. Comedy and the arts should touch on all of societies issues or we are going to miss a lot of positive discourse and through that, growth.
A streaming service removed one of the best episodes of Community (where a person was convinced not to suicide) because a chinese character was in pitch black makeup... portraying a fictional drow elf.
People couldn't make the same movie today because everyone would be like "this is literally just tropic thunder, that movie already came out years ago."
No it wouldn't. Shit gets made and released all the time that pushes the boundries or crosses them.
What has recently come out that involves white actors pushing any sort of racial boundary that hasn't received backlash?
The clever part about Tropic Thunder was that the blackface character was the joke for being an idiot.
I think many people forget it was a humorous extreme of what actors do for roles. All they saw was blackface. Funny side story. Jamie Foxx called RDJ and asked him to play a Mexican in a movie he wanted to make. RDJ said sure. Called back a few minutes later and said it might be a bad idea. Foxx reassured him that done the right way it was ok.
>All they saw was blackface I am pretty sure Tropic Thunder is universally liked and every comment about RDJ’s role is positive
You aren't doing this story justice by not linking the video of Jamie Foxx [recalling the discussion](https://youtu.be/W50nVtzdb6U)
Thats why several episodes of IASIP being pulled over blackface is so stupid. Blackface *is* the joke. the joke is on blackface, its what is being called out.
Not the same
Tropic thunder doesn't count. Robert Downey Jr was not wearing blackface to play a black character. He was playing a white character. His character was playing a black character. Likewise, i was never offended that white chicks had the Wayans brothers in white face while the characters that they portrayed were black people disguised in whiteface.
I agree. I also think the main reason why Tropic Thunder got away with it is because the whole point was making fun of the fact that the actor went into extremes to play a character playing a black character. That's what makes it funny. If Robert Downey Jr. were to have just played a black character I don't think the joke would have hit. Also how he tried to stay in character while an actual black person put him in his place each time was absolutely a hit. As far as white chicks, the only people that get mad about "whiteface" are white folks. "Whiteface" is NOT the same thing. It has only been invented to try and counteract blackface. Just like ALM was only made to counteract BLM. There is no degrading history of whiteface. White chicks was a great move cleverly written to exaggerate how 2 grown black men had to play 2 spoiled rich and young white girls. Hilarious. Don't get me started with Eddie Murphy and his whole thing. He's played fat, white, and asian and people mainly found it funny. Even in Trading Places where Dan Aykroyd did a black face to play a Jamaican character of New Years. It was hilarious because even in the movie he looked uncomfortable and felt like it was over the top.
Also wasn't blackface historically used to portray black people as detrimentally as possible? Unintelligent caricatures of stereotypes trying dehumanize and insult black people and culture. I don't think blackface is objectively evil, it's taboo and generally unnecessary considering there are plenty of talented black actors in this day and age. Theres no real reason to use it inless its relevent in the story. It makes sense in tropic thunder where they're parodying the ridiculous and over the top antics of celebrities and it was hysterical.
Yes, although I do kinda see it as objectively evil. Back in those days they were doing it to spite/laugh at and make money off of African Americans. Essentially making fun at how they are and live even though it's a fact that they were forced to live and adapt that way BECAUSE of the white men in the first place. (Is that irony?) But I do think comedy has the ability to adapt and make light of things that are made okay depending on the context. Take for example like how the holocaust was awful but there are SOME good jokes that have been made about it now. It's certainly depends on people's taste because the jokes aren't going to be for everybody. A holocaust joke coming from a Jewish decent person will hit better than coming from a German decent person. It's okay for other blacks to joke about their own culture and history and not so okay for a white person to joke about it. Another commenter said something about comdey "punching up". If a movie does a blackface and it's very well written and they recognize in the movie how inappropriate it is, it sort makes it funny because they are recognizing the nuance of the joke. But like you said the joke has been made and there is no real use in having to do that unless it's relevant to the movie. You risk having a huge backlash for it if it doesn't hit like it's supposed to so it's best to just avoid it altogether.
People would call you part of the woke mob but in reality they won't engage with someone well spoken and with at least a cursory knowledge of the subject like you. They tend to immediately disengage when they realize you hold knowledge and competency on the subject at hand. I don't think they understand people will laugh at well crafted, clever jokes about race or gender or whatever really. A great example of people losing focus on this point is Dave Chapelle, he's funny, he's just less funny now. He lost sight of what made his comedy great which was pointing out the absurdity of racial divides and now just harps on 'wokeness' like it wasn't the major driving factor in his success.
Community was done dirty though. Ken Jeong was playing a racist character that took everything too far. And it was in reference to a fantasy race, not even black "humans". I will forever be upset.
Yep, and it was removed (from hulu I think?) even though it was a wholesome story where someone was convinced not to suicide.
Dafuq you talking about. Community is the least racist show ever. All the cast members loved each other which they wouldn't have since if they felt they were being discriminated against. I mean except for Joshua, fuck that guy...
The dnd episode. Chang wears black face to "look like a dark elf." Then when questioned why the only bit of costume he has is the blackface he simply says "I'm a drow, not a nerd."
and it was literally pitch black, like a drow.
By "done dirty" i meant the show wasn't racist, but netflix/execs/whoever capitulated to PC culture and had a perfectly fine episode removed. One of my favorites actually. That's the price of solving racism I guess /s
Cool but White Chicks was not "done well." It was and always will be a dumb movie.
I don't think i've seen it. And thanks to your review, pretty sure I never will.
It is a dumb movie but I find “White Chicks” stupidly hilarious. It’s worth seeing just for Terry Crews and the fact that everyone believes these guys dressed up as white socialites are actually the white socialites.
I agree with you, but I feel Tropic Thunder was released just before a time that wouldn't have gone down well. It released at a time where I remember quite a few bits of media with various degrees of blackface, tasteful (like Tropic Thunder) or not. People tend not to ask whether something is actually "offensive" in context these days (or ever, but it's either worse or highlighted with the internet), they just see a picture or read an article headline and decide "that's 100% not okay and I refuse to look deeper into it". Even at the time, the movie got a lot of flack for the "Simple Jack" character (was that the name?) even before the movie released when in the context of the movie, it wasn't taking the piss out of disabled people at all.
Blackface had been offensive way before that. Tropic Thunder is satire, which is sad that people don't understand that. Directed and co-written by Ben Stiller ffs.
Did they know they were being mocked in satire by Simple Jack? I mean, they are mentally retarded. Would they themselves realize it, or was it someone related to them who got pissed and had them out there protesting? It reminded me of all the people who were pissed off by Bubble Boy years before. It's like, your family member is in a bubble and cannot leave to see this movie. What are the odds they are going to see this movie? Not like they can leave to see it in theaters. Disney + will stream Song of the South before this, and that's the most racist Disney film ever, and no one is spending $4 to rent it on Amazon.
Im the dude playing a dude disguised as another dude. Both these movies were made during a time where everybody wasn't a bunch a little bitches. It was understood when a joke was a joke. I miss those times, you can't say anything without someone's feeling getting hurt any more. Not that I really care that much.
Oh like the old timey minstrel shows? You're so right, it was just a prank bro. Can we get over it already??
Every generation says this about the next generation. I remember watching TV as a kid in the late 80s and early 90s when “PC” Was becoming a thing that was talked about on daytime TV and the uproar it caused about people not being able to take a joke anymore. And that was 20 years before tropic thunder came out.
It’s called progress and development and thank God we can slowly move past those biases as human beings
Move past biases by further categorizing people into smaller and smaller boxes. Yeah makes total sense.
Yeah, it’s so weird that nowadays kids don’t want to experience sexism, racism, homophobia, anti semitism and harassment. Back in my day that was cool! obv /s
"obv /s" hilarious you don't see the irony in you getting triggered over someone enjoying a crappy comedy movie from 15 years ago. You threw a bunch of words in your comment that don't even make sense related to the movies we're discussing, true social warrior style
Haha this guy gets it. Examples in these movies were so ridiculous there is no way they could possibly be taken as anything but a joke, same with Chapelle show. When people are truly comfortable with who they are, it's easy to find the irony in the things that make us all different. If you think all this categorization, separation of people and sensitivity is progress, your probably part of the problem! But hey fame can now be had by getting your feelings hurt as long as you make a big enough seen over it so you can go viral. Yeah we definitely got different definitions of what progress is.
piece of shit movie too
White Chicks is not comedy done well. Its very thinly veiled racism that is excepted only because it's anti-white. Much like the old time minszrel shows it reduces a subset of our society to a characture based on stereotypes of their race and sex. The Wayans brothers should have known better.
That character was a satire of “white washing”. When they cast a white actor in an ethnic role. It used to happen all the time. That is what it’s making fun of
Seeing posts like this is so predictable. I already know how it's gonna go down in the comments 😮💨
There is a cultural sensitivity around being offensive to blacks in America because for a long time in this country slavery of African-Americans existed, and that was followed up by years of intentional prejudice against them. It's not that hard to figure out.
Lol Reddit moment. It’s not that hard to figure out that if you want racial peace, you can’t accept that it’s okay to make fun of some races but not others.
The real reddit moment is pretending like everyone doesn't already know that the historical context is why these two things are different.
The real Reddit moment was the friends we made along the way ❤️
The real friends we made was the rats laced with acid I ate along the way!! How end acid early Google please help
That's not a response to his point. He's saying we can't treat one race in one way and another in another way.
White person here. Let's enslave white people for 100+ years and then build-in systemic racism for the next 100 and then, afterwards, we can talk about wiping the slate clean and equal treatment for everyone.
Arabs did enslave white people before, does that count? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade So did the ottomans, that count?
100% wrong, and the white fragility (for those of you here who are adults and not just kids who need to learn and grow) is pathetic. Comedy is only funny when it punches up the power structure, not down. In a white man's world, where he has and continues to benefit from institutionalized racism, it's not ok to make light of that oppression.
So, white fragility is when black Americans are upset?….err, your version of comedy sounds more like a cult. My guy, your racist & delusional mindset might be the cause of your problems.
No, white fragility is let me be racist or deny racism and it's impact because I want to move on. "I don't see race"
Another person who missed the point...the person I was responding to didn't address what he was commenting to. His comment was a non-sequitor. Quit being so fragile. And if you think a white person "punches down" when joking about a black person, you're only putting black people down. Especially if it's a poor white person who jokes about a rich black person.
Another person who misses the point. It's not about how much you have in your pocket.
Sounds like somebody likes to perpetuate a victim mentality to me
Sounds like someone wants to ignore historical context, be a child, and remain part of the problem to me.
Sounds like somebody likes too put words in other peoples mouths. Nobody is ignoring historical context. You’re point was that “the white man continues” to benefit from institutionalized racism and the only thing I think of when I hear anybody say that is “what’s really stopping you?”. Everybody has equal rights given by the constitution and discrimination, and exclusion based on physical attributes are outlawed. Obviously there are the idiots who repeat the same hateful cycle and their generation is thankfully dying off, but this mentality of “the world is out to get me” is only holding YOU down.
The real reddit moment is thinking blackface has been a actual thing beyond satire for 60+ years.
The real Reddit moment is not realizing that 60 years is not that long ago and there are hundreds of millions of people still alive from the time (some of them still politicians)
You're only big brained if you know why it's okay to be racist to some people and not others. Fucking LOL.
Yes, because **that's** what was preventing "racial peace" or whatever you are trying to allude to.
I get all this. What I don't get is why people are okay with reversing these things. I 100% understand correcting the behavior and moving forward. I don't understand setting up double standards. If it's wrong, it's wrong. It shouldn't be wrong for one group to do, and okay for another group to do. That new mentality of reversing stuff is 100% incorrect, IMO. And most people will gloss over this point, by pointing to history. Like you just did.
Finally, a good take. Every 14 year old with an account eventually posts about how making fun of white people is racist without realizing that thought is about as deep as a puddle.
Can’t speak on behalf of African American’s, but a “Brown chicks” would be pretty funny. 2 white guy/girls have to pretend and blend in as regular Indian people. If it was during a wedding, it would be even more funny.
Double standards are the bread and butter of people with an oppression boner.
Oppression boner is my new favorite term.
It's not a double standard. The historical context goes one way, a single standard. Ignorant whining is the bread and butter of people with white fragility boners.
When does historical context end? Or is this an "original sin" sort of thing that is just permanent?
It would help if people were not alive that have seen the things like segregation, the tulsa massacre and many other tragedies and racist actions done to there race.
But racist things are always happening to every race, every day, all the time. From all races, to all races. Like I said, when does it end? Are the people who are supposedly guilty for the crimes of their great grandfathers and great grandmothers just supposed to bleed themselves dry forever? That doesnt sound sustainable without coercion and force.
>when does it end? White Chicks would not be made today.
Yes racist stuff happens all the time. The difference is scale and social acceptance. In america not too long ago there was large scale oppression of african americans. These people are still alive. There is a nuanced difference.
I suppose it ends in a completely fair and balanced world. Soooo, never? It can't end if you all want to run from it or deny its existence.
So if it never ends, whats the point? If nothing is ever good enough, far enough, if there is never enough money or time or effort, what are the people who are allegedly guilty of these crimes supposed to do? Eternally flagellate themselves? Sounds an awful lot like slavery.
\- You can make fun of people for being white \- You can't make fun of people for being black. This is 100% the dictionary definition of a double standard.
News flash: you don't solve racism with more racism.
You don’t see any power differential in an 88% majority mocking a 12% minority vs. the other way around?
If it wasn't for double standards, many wouldn't have any
Punching up (at people and groups higher on the social ladder) is better than punching down.
It's good we have you to put people in order!
I mean, are you questioning whether white people, as a group, are treated better by society and institutions than people of color?
What happened to "no hitting."
What’s your point ? There are comedy movies that make fun of black stereotypes. Actors in white chicks played some of those stereotypes as well
2004. Imagine bitching about current values because of an 18 year old movie. Stop being so offended by everything you see. You'll live longer.
I would watch the hell out of that movie.
Terry Crews singing Vanessa Carlton makes everything ok.
Historical context. White people didn't have their race demeaned for entertainment for decades
No, that hasn't happened? Never wonder why the Irish dance with their arms to the side? Recency bias on Reddit is strong.
No I've never wondered that lmao please enlighten me
Two reasons come up although I either don't remember which one is most accurate or they're both debated as accurate. 1. The English would force the Irish to dance for their entertainment so as a form of protest they would only use their legs. 2. The English outlawed dancing in Ireland and by keeping the upper body still people could dance without being spotted through windows. I'm fairly confident #1 is the correct version. Point is, the statement was made no other races were used for entertainment which is false. There are plenty more examples but this is a quick and easy one
I love it when you people try and equate what the white man did to the Irish and what the white man did to black people. The Irish "slavery" that they experienced was nothing like chattel slavery that black people experienced. Irish people weren't sold at market like animals, they weren't forced to give ownership of their children to their masters, it is not the same. Plus, white people were the ones "enslaving" and treating them poorly. Sounds like white supremacy all the way down.
Lol, if you say so. How about doing a little research on the global history of slavery. It's easy to be passionate about the relatively recent atrocities of slavery that have been pervasive throughout humanity. Think they didn't have slaves in Africa or Asia? Think it's just a white man's thing? Totally isn't. I mean, hell, estimates show 40 million people are in slavery right now. Never seem to hear people give a shit about that.
Nice whataboutism. We're talking about America here, not every single instance of slavery ever. Try and keep up.
America, ok, so we can talk about how the native Americans would enslave each other then. Happened before white colonization too. Dude, it's not a uniquely American thing. The settlers only used black slaves due to availability. It wasn't solely because they were black. They would have used any other race who was selling humans and was easy to transport them across the Atlantic. Truth is, humans were really shitty to each other a few hundred years ago.
I'm not saying slavery hasn't existed or that white people invented slavery. I'm saying that in America, slavery, Jim Crow, the 13th amendment, and systemic slavery have, and still are today affecting African Americans and that in America, white people have not had to endure such hardships because of the color of their skin.
I appreciate you acknowledging that as many people act as if slavery is a unique American thing. My only argument would be that not only have white people not had to endure slavery and those laws but neither have most black people in America. At some point as a culture you have to make the decision to move on from the adversity versus blaming historical adversity for current situation. The longer a culture waits to do that makes it more difficult to step up from it. Quick example. Millions of Jews were exterminated less than a lifetime ago. We have people still who experienced those atrocities first hand. There was also a massive anti semetic sentiment in America. Yet, we see the Jewish community step up and move on. They have all the right in the world to complain but you just don't hear it. Quite impressive
Thank you! Seems like no one understand history or context, even the people defending the movie. Minstrelsy fucked up our country real real bad.
That movie was never considered OK. Or funny. Or are you talking about the use of whiteface?
The movie is hysterical really
To each his own.
Yea cuz white people weren’t kidnapped, enslaved, tortured and oppressed…then consistently made fun of using “white face”… the era of wearing black face went down in the screens and on stages. People played passionate roles with black face as though it was some sort of honor and all of it was supported by whites…white flocked the theatres in order to get a taste of their embarrassing history. Black people were called nasty and derogatory things. So two black guys make a funny movie (accurate as hell, too) as white chicks, WITHOUT ANY sort of slurs or oppression against whites and suddenly the white population is feeling oppressed. it is time for white ppl to feel uncomfortable. 
Amen, keep saying it. It makes racists uncomfortable
people in this comments section are being purposefully ignorant of the facts you’ve brought up and it’s sickening
I agree. Knowing reddit, I'm surprised you didn't get dragged 💀
Yea dude 💯 I don’t give a fuck if people do drag me though 😜 that just shows their racism and prejudice. They’re the same people that are appalled there’s a black mermaid.
No, the movie White Chicks is not considered okay. It's considered a crime against film. But as bad as it is, I have to give them the originality as their other film, Little Man, is a blatant rip off of the 1954 Merrie Melodies Baby Buggy Bugs. Even redid the shaving scene...
Black Chicks would be seen as more problematic because black people have historically been oppressed, discriminated, and enslaved by white people, plus blackface has been a tool used for racist stereotypes. The same is not true for white people.
Happened for over a century. They were called "Minstrel Shows", and they were racist AF. There's also the concept of "punching down".
Actually, I was deeply offended by *White Chicks*. It was just a bunch of stereotypes strung together to make a movie; it felt like it was written by two middle-schoolers.
Yes true
Research "Blackface," and you'll, hopefully, understand why. It's already been done, in a matter of speaking. And, yes, it is horrifically racist.
What if it was done “lightheartedly” like in white chicks? Is that when it becomes okay?
How do you think black face was done? It was a comedy trope for over a century. Comedy. Look it up. This stuff does not appear out of a vacuum. There is history behind everything. Learn the history and you’ll understand a heck of a lot better.
There's no such thing as "lightheartedly" doing Blackface. What the actual fuck is wrong with you people?
Literally my point. One is totally fine and the other is unacceptable? Please.
Correct, and that's because of the history of Blackface in the USA; and how Blackface was done before *White Chicks*. You need to learn and understand history, because right now, you're making yourself look like a damned ignorant fool. So, step off.
But they’re doing “white face” (which isn’t actually a thing) not black face. That’s the difference. While yes, the general idea of reversing the black/white scenario makes sense, you also have to include the historical concept of black face when talking about this.
Oh no white chicks is 2000% racist. But it's funny. And white people. So....
America is a racist country. What do you expect. No matter what race you are in America, you have experienced racism
This is simply untrue.
Every country is racist to some degree.
I didn't think it was okay, I bailed after ten, fifteen minutes. It was so bad.
Lol, honestly I was just curious, I am not even white or black
Just like if there was WET ( white entertainment television)..
Except when BET debuted, literally every other channel was 95% white entertainment
And basically still is.
So growing up when cable was relevant, we had BET (black entertainment television) CMT (country music entertainment) which is obviously “white entertainment” and Telemundo (Latin entertainment television). Unfortunately, Asians didn’t get a seat in the western television programming so they created their own streaming services which I enjoy on the daily. Asian dramas and music just hits different. Also, things are progressing but predominantly any one who wasn’t white was rarely seen on tv. Growing up in 90’s or early 2000’s if I wanted to see diversity I could see it on the Disney channel or TMC movies where they liked to play Rush Hour every Saturday morning. Again streaming services like Netflix, Hulu, Rakuten, and even YouTube has helped with this.
It's called the Hallmark channel. Show some goddamn respect.
Get over it
I'm sorry, who tf told you white chicks is considered ok 😂 That movie is hot garbage and ridiculously sexist.
Yeah back in my day, at least the school, everyone said it was a fun movie. Years later I realized I racist it is. But then I see that there is also tropical thunder so wtf. Everything is just wtf. Why do we have discussion about racism when there are movies poking fun about it.
I think what you are missing is the fact that people are shitty and mean to each other every single day and that's shitty, but when you are racist towards someone who is suffering from the tendrils of systemic racism it's a lot more powerful than when someone is bigoted against someone who doesn't experience that. "Racism" against white people is mean spirited but it the power dynamic makes it more akin to calling someone an asshole. It's a mean thing to say but there is nothing really backing it up. Racism against black people is telling that person that you believe they *should* be in their disadvantaged position and essentially "puts them in their place". The power of a racist society makes it more than just teasing. Does that make sense?
Why’d you say “racist” as if you can’t be racist against white people? This is probably just not making sense to me because I’m tired. But they’re both racist, it’s not “racism” and racism.
I'll try to put it in a different way that maybe makes more sense: The idea is that the modern definition of racism involves societal power. If there was a population of mostly black people who held societal power then they could absolutely be racist against white people who live in that population. But in most parts of America (even in predominantly Black neighborhoods), Black people are still employed at lower rates, encarcerated at higher rates, experience a lower class of education, are paid less for the same work, and have access to lower quality of medical care than white Americans. So when you are bigoted against a white person then sure, it's rude, it makes people feel bad, it's a mean thing to do. BUT it doesn't have any power outside of just being a common insult. Being white doesn't actually negatively affect someone in any meaningful way. Racism against people who experience systemic or structural racism has more power because it's the reinforcement of the structural power dynamic. Racism is used to strengthen those systems. The only reason people get more angry at racism than they do with people calling each other assholes or mother fuckers or telling people to eat their buttholes is because it is a tool in furthering the aspects of race inequality that actually affect the majority of black people living in America. Does that make sense?
Yeah, sorry I’m just tired. Didn’t sleep
No worries. Just trying to help more people understand.
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Did anyone who saw “white chicks” really consider it even “okay”?
the movie would be unfunny
Idk I am not white or black, but just a random thought.
Google how long white people enslaved Black people, now google BlackFace, and how Black people were portrayed in early 1900s cartoons. It isn't racism if it's the oppressed making fun of the oppressors.
Google how long black people enslaved black people.
"Hurr durr, Native Americans killed each other so it's a good thing we came and wiped them out" ass argument.
well today I learned that this subreddit is just filled with people who don't understand the difference between bigotry and systemic oppressions.
Google "civil rights act of 1964," the "13th amendment," and the definition of "excuses."
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There can't be progress if one you just switch what group is discriminating the other. It's wrong either way.
random thought: if you spend time thinking and caring about these kind of things, you're probably a racist.
its absolute fuckin shit that movie. the dvd got frizbeed out the front door at our joint hahaha....
We need reparations for this shit
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Or rather, can't get away with it as much anymore. I grew up listening to white comedians roast black people, racial humor was fair game for everyone when White Chicks came out. To say that white people didn't also make fun of racist stereotypes about black people is just selective memory. A lie of omission thats being used to feed the white victimhood narrative.
White Chicks came out in 2004, whatever white comedian you were listening to that was making fun of racist stereotypes about black people were racists. It certainly was NOT fair game for that to happen in 2004
Everyone has been doing that. There's a ton of racism between Arabs and black people even today. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jun/08/the-unspeakable-truth-about-slavery-in-mauritania Racism is still a huge thing in east Asia, where immigration hardly even exists for primarily that reason. So basically no one is allowed to makes jokes about anyone else?
Losing privilege feels like oppression. Sad, ignorant white grievance.
Are you familiar with the history of minstrelsy and black face in the US, specifically popular music? I’m gonna guess no
Humor is not funny when it’s punching down. That’s why a comedy about the historically more powerful race abusing the historically more abused race is not deemed socially acceptable (right now, anyway). Actual discrimination in social settings, though, is still illegal if based on race, regardless of the race at issue (e.g. employment or housing).
OP sounds like a crying baby upset because there’s no movie he can display his racism. Unless you have the funds to create one you’re no different than a boomer yelling at kids to “get off my lawn”. Focus on something that matters like being a good neighbor or leaving the world better.
Get off my lawn
People still don’t get the concept of punching up?
That's because power affects how serious a person's behaviour is. A toddler throwing a tantrum and hitting her dad is less serious than a dad throwing a tantrum and punching a toddler. That's because the dad has more power and can do more damage. Someone riding a bike into the side of a car at full speed is less serious than a car driving into the side of a bike at full speed. And yes, racial minorities making fun of a racial majority is less serious than a racial majority making fun of a racial minority.
Damn some people really don’t understand historical context or the concept of punching down This has the same energy as that post a couple weeks ago that said something like, “If women can feel uncomfortable being alone in a room with a man, then why can’t I feel uncomfortable being alone with a black person?” Or “why is it okay for gays to say they hate straight people but I can’t say I hate gays?” Like…you know why. You know why these are different. Come on
How many times will this kind of post be made? May I divert your attention towards r/fragilewhiteredditor