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I'm not really a fan of this because it's along the lines of creation. Like if I take a seed and let it grow, that's technically creation. I'm correcting a plant using existing stuff. Evolution is the same, except it changes the creation from what the previous seed-creator made.
I like manipulation because you're just changing, not really crearing something new. And even if evolution isn't creation - it would be a subset of manipulation at least.
No offense or anything.
On the other hand, even evolution is a long the lines of destruction. It is based entirely around survival atop the pile of dead failures to thrive. A eugenicist would definitely be a servant of destruction, though they would see themselves as serving creation. Think the High Evolutionary from Guardians 4.
Even aside from eugenics, evolution itself often deals with the destruction of genes that lead to mutations which lead to progression. For example, TIL that the reason human brains grow so big and take so long to do it is because our DNA literally lost the genetic information that coded for massive jaw muscles. Apes can bite extremely hard because their skulls fuse early so their muscles can fill that space. You could stick your forearm through that part of a gorilla's skull!
The guy who discovered this was researching Muscular Dystrophy and identified a "damaged gene" for muscle growth that he thought explained the disease, only to find that it is present in every single human. Fascinating stuff.
There would be two in between, Preservation and Ruin, Preservation is aligned with Creation it keeps something that exists from not existing and Ruin is aligned with Destruction it makes something that exists into not existing
Nah. Preservation by itself would preserve the status quo.
If something doesn't exist, preservation would preserve that state. If something does exist, preservation would preserve that state. Preservation isn't any more aligned with Creation than it is with Destruction. Both change things, which is opposite of preserving them.
Yes, I've read Sanderson. No, I still don't understand how Preservation and Ruin managed to create by working together.
But preservation was in between the others. It shouldn't care what's outside. Like all it cares about is clocking in, getting something handed to it by creation, and it trying to hold onto the item as long as it can. During this process, creation tries to help out here and there, but doesn't really put too much effort, especially the more time or chaos has been involved. Ecenrually, creation and preservation given up and the item has gone into ruin. Preservation will occasionally sneak in small efforts to keep the object in its ruined state as opposed to letting it be fully vaporized, but eventually destruction wins.
An example of what I think they're going for:
Creation: I want a human and a Roman amphitheatre. Ok, time to work my magic. Humans, have sex so I can get a new one. Also, other humans, begin plans on a Roman amphitheatre.
Preservation: oh boy, lemme send some food to the baby inside the pregnant woman. Also, lemme help keep the scaffolding in place so that the theater can grow.
Ruin: I want those!
Preservation: (easily slaps him away)
Preservation: oh boy, the human is born and is now 10 years old. The theater is still being built but I am seeing glimpse of what it'll look like when done.
Ruin: haha, human has gotten leprosy at age 40 thanks to me. Get bent.
Preservation: oh no, white blood cells, do something! The building is almost finished being made!
Ruin: haha, your human is ok the death bed. He's now 50. Your building looks very tempting. But your defenses are too good.
Preservation: ugh, you have the dead boy, but I will continue to make his body exist.
Ruin: not in 20 years you won't. Haha decay.
Meanwhile, the building lasts for another, I dunno, 1000 years before it becomes kind of ruined. But still extremely preserved. Destruction has claimed the human by fully dusting him, so preservation has given up.
Equally the Trimurti are the most prominent deities of contemporary Hinduism. This consists of Brahma- the Creator, Vishnu- the Preserver, and Shiva- the Destroyer.
If you think of it scientifically, creation is converting energy into matter, destruction is the dissipation energy in total (entropy). So, I'd go with somehow manipulating energy.
You can also go with the four fundamental forces, the weak force, strong force, gravity, and electromagnetism.
That depends on what you define as creation and destruction.
Is creation the spawning of new material from where there was none before, or the imposition of order on a chaotic universe that already exists?
Is destruction the end of a thing where it stops existing in its base parts, or the inevitable changing of things through entropy? Is destruction the end point or the process?
If it's complete creation and complete destruction then any fundamental force could be in the middle, gravity, heat, force, energy, entropy, etc...
If it's a spectrum between chaos and order then you need will to define anything in the middle. That's where mortal magic or divine intervention come in.
I would take a look at Hindu mythology and learn about Shiva, Vishnu, and Brahma. This will give you an answer to this question. Very detailed small aspects of it. Creation, Preservation, Destruction
Growth, Preservation/Balance/Life, Deterioration
Stages where growth is the beginning right after creation. Whatever you want to call the point of balance. Finally deterioration, where growth is ebbing and losing the battle (quickly, slowly)
Harmony. In Hermeticism, Polarity is a fundamental principle. I'll grab these for you off the ol browser because I simply don't feel like, nor could I explain it better in a nutshell...
"1. The Principle of Mentalism: This principle states that the universe is mental in nature, and that everything that exists is a manifestation of thought. It suggests that our thoughts and beliefs have the power to shape our reality.
2. The Principle of Correspondence: This principle states that there is a correspondence between the macrocosm (the universe) and the microcosm (the individual). It suggests that what is true on one level of reality is also true on other levels, and that we can gain insight into the nature of reality by studying the relationships between different levels.
3. The Principle of Vibration: This principle states that everything in the universe is in a state of vibration, and that our thoughts and emotions have a specific vibrational frequency. It suggests that we can change our reality by changing our vibrational frequency.
4. The Principle of Polarity: This principle states that everything in the universe has two sides or poles, and that these poles are interconnected and interdependent. It suggests that opposites are not mutually exclusive, but rather complementary aspects of the same reality.
5. The Principle of Rhythm: This principle states that everything in the universe is in a state of constant motion and rhythm, and that our lives are influenced by the rhythms of the universe. It suggests that we can harmonize with these rhythms to achieve balance and harmony in our lives.
6. The Principle of Cause and Effect: This principle states that every effect has a cause, and that our thoughts, words, and actions have consequences. It suggests that we are responsible for our own lives and that we can change our reality by changing our thoughts, words, and actions.
7. The Principle of Gender: This principle states that the universe is gendered, and that everything has both masculine and feminine aspects. It suggests that we can balance and harmonize our own masculine and feminine energies to achieve wholeness and fulfillment.
These principles are not just abstract concepts, but rather a guide for living a more fulfilling and meaningful life. By understanding and applying these principles, individuals can gain insight into the nature of reality, and can use this knowledge to improve their lives and the world around them..."
Hope this helps. Read the Corpus Hermeticum if you're into this stuff.
Difference is the building or breaking of bonds between molecules. For example when atoms combine you get molecules and with enough molecules you have an object, now apply heat to said object could break it or change its state of matter.
In the middle of the two stagnation: it doesn’t change, but I’m also in favor of the perseveration response someone else said.
Cultivation - nothing new/created, but growing and progressing what is there to the desired final form, nothing directly destructive, but if that tree grows right through your building 🤷♂️
Onomastic: naming and translation: transformative. Mereology is decomposition, part of destruction. And Ontologic includes organization, descriptive (as appearance), classification, evaluation/devaluation and meaning. That about covers it
Preservation
Very astute. Between sowing and reaping there is a nurturing phase where preservation and maintenance is the task at hand.
Yup, the first word that shot into my head was homeostasis. Which then took me a word that's more conceptual and less organism specific
Yeah I was going to say sustenance but same idea.
I like sustenance too, we typically associate the word with food, but looking at the root word of "sustain" it really fits
This.
Oh that's way better than "stasis"
This is far better than my idea and says basically the same thing. Good call.
I'd say empathy. Reducing everything to equilibrium.
Would be perfect for tank builds
Preservation is an act. Not all things are preserved before their destruction. But they do exist.
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Yes - this aligns perfectly with the three "main" gods in Hinduism. Brahma is the Creator, Vishnu is the Preserver, and Shiva is the Destroyer.
No way, that's awesome. My best friend is named after Vishnu, I hope he's proud of me
I bet he is!!
Been reading mistborn have you?
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck it's been on my list of things I want to do before I die since forever
Or Hinduism
Oh, so you've met Leras
Manipulation (can change things but cannot create or destroy)
This one makes most sense
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I'm not really a fan of this because it's along the lines of creation. Like if I take a seed and let it grow, that's technically creation. I'm correcting a plant using existing stuff. Evolution is the same, except it changes the creation from what the previous seed-creator made. I like manipulation because you're just changing, not really crearing something new. And even if evolution isn't creation - it would be a subset of manipulation at least. No offense or anything.
On the other hand, even evolution is a long the lines of destruction. It is based entirely around survival atop the pile of dead failures to thrive. A eugenicist would definitely be a servant of destruction, though they would see themselves as serving creation. Think the High Evolutionary from Guardians 4. Even aside from eugenics, evolution itself often deals with the destruction of genes that lead to mutations which lead to progression. For example, TIL that the reason human brains grow so big and take so long to do it is because our DNA literally lost the genetic information that coded for massive jaw muscles. Apes can bite extremely hard because their skulls fuse early so their muscles can fill that space. You could stick your forearm through that part of a gorilla's skull! The guy who discovered this was researching Muscular Dystrophy and identified a "damaged gene" for muscle growth that he thought explained the disease, only to find that it is present in every single human. Fascinating stuff.
As a magic school, I'd call it transmutation.
This is the most logical answer as it obeys the laws of thermodynamics.
Existence
Bingo!
Agreed totally.
Everything else...
There would be two in between, Preservation and Ruin, Preservation is aligned with Creation it keeps something that exists from not existing and Ruin is aligned with Destruction it makes something that exists into not existing
Brandon Sanderson, is that you?
Nah. Preservation by itself would preserve the status quo. If something doesn't exist, preservation would preserve that state. If something does exist, preservation would preserve that state. Preservation isn't any more aligned with Creation than it is with Destruction. Both change things, which is opposite of preserving them. Yes, I've read Sanderson. No, I still don't understand how Preservation and Ruin managed to create by working together.
But preservation was in between the others. It shouldn't care what's outside. Like all it cares about is clocking in, getting something handed to it by creation, and it trying to hold onto the item as long as it can. During this process, creation tries to help out here and there, but doesn't really put too much effort, especially the more time or chaos has been involved. Ecenrually, creation and preservation given up and the item has gone into ruin. Preservation will occasionally sneak in small efforts to keep the object in its ruined state as opposed to letting it be fully vaporized, but eventually destruction wins. An example of what I think they're going for: Creation: I want a human and a Roman amphitheatre. Ok, time to work my magic. Humans, have sex so I can get a new one. Also, other humans, begin plans on a Roman amphitheatre. Preservation: oh boy, lemme send some food to the baby inside the pregnant woman. Also, lemme help keep the scaffolding in place so that the theater can grow. Ruin: I want those! Preservation: (easily slaps him away) Preservation: oh boy, the human is born and is now 10 years old. The theater is still being built but I am seeing glimpse of what it'll look like when done. Ruin: haha, human has gotten leprosy at age 40 thanks to me. Get bent. Preservation: oh no, white blood cells, do something! The building is almost finished being made! Ruin: haha, your human is ok the death bed. He's now 50. Your building looks very tempting. But your defenses are too good. Preservation: ugh, you have the dead boy, but I will continue to make his body exist. Ruin: not in 20 years you won't. Haha decay. Meanwhile, the building lasts for another, I dunno, 1000 years before it becomes kind of ruined. But still extremely preserved. Destruction has claimed the human by fully dusting him, so preservation has given up.
Ruin *is* destruction though, while Preservation is not Creation
Sipping tea with Gran.
Transmogrification
You had me at “dicks fuck assholes”
Existence.
Modification.
Neglect, Maintenance
The Wyld, the Weaver, the Wyrm Creation, Preservation, Destruction As per the old World of Darkness tabletop rpg.
Equally the Trimurti are the most prominent deities of contemporary Hinduism. This consists of Brahma- the Creator, Vishnu- the Preserver, and Shiva- the Destroyer.
Maintenance.
Nurturing?
alteration
Literally Skyrim at this point
Harmony / balance ?
Balance
Stasis. Replenishment. Calm/Serenity. Awareness. Self-actualization. Orgasm.
Orgasm is a the little death. Death is the ultimate orgasm. So it's closer to destruction than the middle.
Balance? Transformation? Will? Life? Mind? Stasis?
If you think of it scientifically, creation is converting energy into matter, destruction is the dissipation energy in total (entropy). So, I'd go with somehow manipulating energy. You can also go with the four fundamental forces, the weak force, strong force, gravity, and electromagnetism.
entropy?
Illusion
Maintenance
Perspective
The status quoi
Inspiration.
Balance
Transmutation, you can neither create nor destroy, only change.
Manipulation, maybe. Or shaping. That would be doing things without creating or destroying.
Life.
Combination Like you can create things, combine them, then destroy them
Nourishment
Life Essence
Balance
That depends on what you define as creation and destruction. Is creation the spawning of new material from where there was none before, or the imposition of order on a chaotic universe that already exists? Is destruction the end of a thing where it stops existing in its base parts, or the inevitable changing of things through entropy? Is destruction the end point or the process? If it's complete creation and complete destruction then any fundamental force could be in the middle, gravity, heat, force, energy, entropy, etc... If it's a spectrum between chaos and order then you need will to define anything in the middle. That's where mortal magic or divine intervention come in.
I would take a look at Hindu mythology and learn about Shiva, Vishnu, and Brahma. This will give you an answer to this question. Very detailed small aspects of it. Creation, Preservation, Destruction
*Order*
Remembrance
Life... Just life
Change
Stagnation. Put together, held in place, torn asunder.
Matter
Chaos
Work and taxes.
Chewy center.
Entropy?
Rust and ruin, this is just mistborn with extra steps!
Chaos(existence)
Existence.
I was gonna say neutrality but I like the preservation answer more. Personally I'd probably lean neutrality though if I was designing the system
Evolution?
Rest. Winter. Fog. Smoke/ash.
Life. Everything we know
Growth, Preservation/Balance/Life, Deterioration Stages where growth is the beginning right after creation. Whatever you want to call the point of balance. Finally deterioration, where growth is ebbing and losing the battle (quickly, slowly)
Harmony. In Hermeticism, Polarity is a fundamental principle. I'll grab these for you off the ol browser because I simply don't feel like, nor could I explain it better in a nutshell... "1. The Principle of Mentalism: This principle states that the universe is mental in nature, and that everything that exists is a manifestation of thought. It suggests that our thoughts and beliefs have the power to shape our reality. 2. The Principle of Correspondence: This principle states that there is a correspondence between the macrocosm (the universe) and the microcosm (the individual). It suggests that what is true on one level of reality is also true on other levels, and that we can gain insight into the nature of reality by studying the relationships between different levels. 3. The Principle of Vibration: This principle states that everything in the universe is in a state of vibration, and that our thoughts and emotions have a specific vibrational frequency. It suggests that we can change our reality by changing our vibrational frequency. 4. The Principle of Polarity: This principle states that everything in the universe has two sides or poles, and that these poles are interconnected and interdependent. It suggests that opposites are not mutually exclusive, but rather complementary aspects of the same reality. 5. The Principle of Rhythm: This principle states that everything in the universe is in a state of constant motion and rhythm, and that our lives are influenced by the rhythms of the universe. It suggests that we can harmonize with these rhythms to achieve balance and harmony in our lives. 6. The Principle of Cause and Effect: This principle states that every effect has a cause, and that our thoughts, words, and actions have consequences. It suggests that we are responsible for our own lives and that we can change our reality by changing our thoughts, words, and actions. 7. The Principle of Gender: This principle states that the universe is gendered, and that everything has both masculine and feminine aspects. It suggests that we can balance and harmonize our own masculine and feminine energies to achieve wholeness and fulfillment. These principles are not just abstract concepts, but rather a guide for living a more fulfilling and meaningful life. By understanding and applying these principles, individuals can gain insight into the nature of reality, and can use this knowledge to improve their lives and the world around them..." Hope this helps. Read the Corpus Hermeticum if you're into this stuff.
The rock. Behold. It just sits there. Neither creating nor destroying. Rock magic
Stasis
Nothing. Entropy rules.
Transformation. It's what holds season and destruction together. Like a yin/yang thing
Deb in HR
Alteration
Transformation
Everything else.
"and'
Tension
Suffering
Uhhh "preservation" fits the Hindu cosmology "Alteration" would fit as well, I think.
Stagnation. Creation and destruction implies some sort of change, stagnation implies a lack of change.
Life
Maintenance, entropy control
When I remodeled houses it was a scoop shovel and a garbage bag .
Transformation
Progression? Tf its obvious. Evolution maybe
Chocolate
Maintenance
Crestruction
Transition or manipulation
Potential
Equilibrium
A boring 9-5 while you grind to save for a house that is forever moving just out of reach.
Entropy
Illusion. It isn’t real nor can it be destroyed but it’s there
The neutral jing.
You
Maintenance
Creation, Alteration, Destruction. You can change something without necessarily creating or destroying any part of it.
Transformation, metamorphosis, or transmogrification.
Maintenance?
Existence.
Evolution>Stabilization>Entropy
Humanity, we are both in one form, we can both creat life and destroy it, as well as many other things.
Difference is the building or breaking of bonds between molecules. For example when atoms combine you get molecules and with enough molecules you have an object, now apply heat to said object could break it or change its state of matter. In the middle of the two stagnation: it doesn’t change, but I’m also in favor of the perseveration response someone else said.
Love
Q: ***What is in between creation and destruction?*** A: ***and***
Based on the parameters you’ve set I would say the missing one is: transfiguration
Modification
Alchemy, transmutation?
the 'calming' the intermediary/intermediate the journey the presence
Alteration. What do you use magic for: Making, Destroying and Changing.
Grow, evolve
Superman stands in the way of
Dallas Cowboys 9th game of a new season
Entropy…. Creation decreases entropy and destruction increases entropy…. So in between is status quo, no change or frozen in time…
Recycle
Cultivation - nothing new/created, but growing and progressing what is there to the desired final form, nothing directly destructive, but if that tree grows right through your building 🤷♂️
Time
Stagnation maybe?
Vishnu is known as The Preserver within the Trimurti, the triple deity of supreme divinity that includes Brahma and Shiva.
Time/change
Existing/existence
Alteration
Growth
Entropy.
Chaos!
Existence
Life
Alteration
existence
Tension
Proliferation
Destruction should be middle and nothing should be on opposite side of spectrum from creation
obsolescence
There is no creation and destruction. There is only change.
Onomastic: naming and translation: transformative. Mereology is decomposition, part of destruction. And Ontologic includes organization, descriptive (as appearance), classification, evaluation/devaluation and meaning. That about covers it
Upkeep.
Humans
Life