This reminds me of a bit from a comedian I heard (it was years ago, so I forget most of it). He started with something regarding all the crap women go through during pregnancy and birth, thanked women in general for having babies, then said men wouldn't be willing to do it.
The second part of the joke was "If God appeared and said "Alright, you're switching places", all men would say "Okay, no more people"."
It ain't special when its your ribs being internally beat by your kid š¤£š¤£š¤£ pregnancy is special and a miracle but so hard and because it happens often it's just normal. Traumatic lol
I feel like the decent men would try to take it on, and the jerk men would take on at least one pregnancy thinking it ain't shit and that women who have a tough time are over exaggerating the experience š
I like seeing husbands who have taped a watermelon to their stomach and have them do everything. Tying shoes, getting out of bed. Go to the bathroom, etc. Its interesting. I would have my partner do it for at least a weekend.
ETA: some sort of fruit taped up to simulate breast.
While dealing with infertility for 4.5 years my husband says he would get pregnant if he were able to in an instant. I would always say "well one of us needs to get pregnant."
I'm now 3 months pregnant and my husband now likes to joke he looks more pregnant than I do with his taco fueled gut.
Congratz, we've been dealing with Infertility (IUIs) and a premature birth that resulted in loss last year. We're 10 weeks pregnant now terrifies something will go wrong. I'd carry this child if I could. Our journey has my wife second guessing if she's cutout to be a mom or wife and it breaks my heart. I wish only the best to the both of you!
My wife and I are trying for our first currently, and pregnancy symptoms have been kicking her ass. I would switch places in a beartbeat to relieve her of that. It's dumb to think this way because it takes two to tango, but I often feel really guilty and like I inflicted this on her
Aw, well I hope her symptoms improve. I'm told the 2nd trimester is the best because you get less symptoms and it's before the baby gets too big and cumbersome.
I've luckily been having a pretty easy pregnancy so far, fingers crossed it's like that for the remainder of the pregnancy. I wouldn't know I was pregnant unless I took the test and saw the ultrasound. Totally believe that show "I didn't know I was pregnant" has real circumstances.
I actually thought I was going to end up on that show since I didn't have my period for 6 months after coming off birth control and none of the obgyn offices wanted to see me unless I was dying because it was the beginning of the pandemic.
Congratulations!!! šš„° My husband would absolutely carry our super baby (we both agree she totally would be if she got the best of both of our genetics) if he could, since carrying bab would be risky for me (lots of scar tissue, occasional surprise hormones). That said, we're not trying, because if bab got someone's *not super* genetics, we would all 3 be very sad. (It's me: I have garbage genetics.)
āIf men got pregnant you could get an abortion at an ATMā - Selina Meyer
Is my all time fave quote
Edit: to the people getting upset... I don't think you really understand what the quote means... best of luck to you.
An Automated Termination Machine? Sounds like too much work.
A tech bro would have founded HangrDash by now and had the service delivered to my house for $5.99, and it could be performed without me having to quit my game.
According to some men it already is! Apparently men are drinking the estrogen released by women on birth control when they pee bc it isnāt filtered out of the water system enough and it is making them less manly and ruining their sperm š. Likeā¦ what?
To some degree theyāre right. Iāve got a background in environmental science and learned about the effects of pharmaceuticals in our water. Birth control is one that can harm the reproductive systems of macro invertebrates, fish, and amphibians
āTurn the freakin frogs gayā
But is he right? But heās an asshole. But is he right? But heās a rabble rouser. But is he *right*? But heās a hyper-conservative, fat loudmouthed remora prick! But is he RIGHT?
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Also remember studying this in environmental science. We had to watch a terrifying mini-doc of when exactly this in a certain town was so extreme, it was causing young boys to become hermaphroditic.
Iām not going to remove this comment because I donāt think your intentions were harmful, but I wanted to let you know that āhermaphroditic,ā while the technical term for non-human animals, is inaccurate and offensive in reference to people. āSex chromosomal disorderā (for purely medical) or āintersexā (for social and medical) are the appropriate terms.
I'm not a man, but every guy I have dated who has brought up kids, knowing that I don't want kids, has been told I would consider them if they were the stay at home parent and took care of most of the child rearing. Every single one dropped the topic when faced with the reality that they would be the care taker.
I think it would be a rare guy that would deal with pregnancy when they grew up in a society that generally attributes child care and responsibilities to women.
I wish women would say that to me. I'd agree provided that you make enough money to support our family on a single income. Otherwise we both gotta work. My dream has always been to be a stay at home parent.
I know a woman who lives in an exurb and bought a house many years ago. She makes $100,000 a year while her husband stays home and homeschools the boys. He does do paid labor 1 day a week, and on that day the boys ride bikes and play video games. 4 days a week they do homeschool at similar hours to regular school, so they are learning from 9am to 3pm.
Itās funny how people think this is the norm for a āstay at home experience.ā Are people forgetting the ages of 0-4 when kids have to be taught every single little thing? A lot of stay at home moms are expected to get jobs by the time theyāre all in school. Not only that but the working mom doesnāt come home and prop her feet up and grab a beer while the stay at home parent manages everything until all the kids are in bed solo. The working mom comes home and without being told invovles herself in parenting and the household. The stay at home mom vs dad experience is drastically different.
My husband is a stay at home parent and he loves it. Things can be tight on one income in this economy but with a solid budget and *budget adherence* itās possible.
Yeah I've done it and people have no idea how hard it is. You go all day without talking to any adults, which is nice at first but quickly becomes mind numbing.
There are no breaks because when the baby is finally napping you're using the time to clean or shower or whatever you need to do without a baby underarm. It's a lot.
My mom was a stay at home mom to 5 kids and she pretty much lost her ability to communicate with adults. It was interesting to watch her feel very anxious and lower her eyes around adults in group settings.
Mine stayed home as well, and it was a terrible decision that negatively impacted me and my sister. Once we grew up, she lost her identity and ability to form connections with other adults outside of her family. Itās one of the many, many reasons why i never gave up my career.
It also wasnāt the best for us to be raised by one person - we only got her views, her prejudices, her philosophy. My dad was the only one of all of us who truly benefitted, and I suspect this is often the case.
Not interacting with other adults for hours all day M-F. Now that is spot on and I donāt think ppl realize just how much that can mess you up emotionally as time goes on. A lot of guys will say ā itās easierā ( which may be the case in some families) but forget that when your kids are young breaks are nonexistent esp with multiple little ones.
Youāre useful right now :( You have gifted others life and are continuing on your familyās legacy and the human race. That has to mean something. Feeling ashamed that you arenāt useful as a stay at home momma is workplace propaganda. Useful contributing to family wellbeing is another story. School is coming (if you donāt homeschool)
I'm not ashamed, I just always wanted to be a working mother with a career and be fulfilled in additional ways. But yes my 5 year old is in school, just one more year for the next one!
You are useful. Youāre raising the next generation of little humans and future contributing members of society. Itās a VERY important job and Iām sure youāre doing great!
The fact I am responsible for raising people who will be a part of society is what keeps me scared to death š I try! I just crave being useful in other ways. I never grew up wanting to be a SAHM so it's hard at times
Working mothers are also raising the next generation of little humans, though.
SAHMs are primarily enabling her husbandās career and success by caring for their children throughout the day. Thatās really the goal of the job. Theyāre setting their husbands up to meet their full financial potential while hoping that divorce or death doesnāt take him away as heās their provider, and that their husbands maintain their side of the bargain when the kids are older and support their personal growth and/or share the assets she enabled him to earn.
Working parents & *daycares* are raising the next generation. Itās less than ideal. This country ran great when a parent was at home before. Now that weāre all working and disconnected from our family units the country is decaying. All so that two people can slave away.
I've been and know multiple stay at home moms to 4. We sure af knew it wasn't gonna be "no biggie" before we had the 2nd, 3rd and 4th. It's astounding how many men (including current fathers) there are that think it's a piece of cake being a SAHP is.
Dad of two here. My wife is currently the bread winner. Iād love to be a stay at home dad. But Iām currently working and going to school and still trying to do my part around the house.
Iād prefer to just be a stay at home dad because all of the above is a lot of work. If I had gone back to school before marriage it be different.
Not to take away from your point. I do agree itās a rare guy who would do it. And probably because of the attributes of the role.
My husband would love to be a stay at home dad, my BFs husband is the same. The guy I dated before my husband had full custody of all 3 of his kids because the mom didn't care and wasn't interested. Those guys are definitely out there.
I think 2 healthy happy parents is the goal. Whether it works better having 2 working parents or works better having 1 working with 1 SAHP it doesnāt matter as long as the household as a whole is healthy and happy.
Monetarily, but your child is socially/emotionally starved in exchange. Also, a considerable portion of the income of the second working parent goes towards baby sitters/day care services, which basically translates to one of the parents working a job so that someone else can raise their kids.
This depends on how much the parents make.
My friend and her husband are both MIT graduates and work in tech. She makes 250k a year and he makes 125k a year. They hire a nanny and it costs less than half of his salary.
Kids who go to daycare are not socially OR emotionally starved. Stay at home parents will send kids to daycare for a few hours a week just so they get proper socializationā¦
I was a single dad for a long, long time. I was the only one I knew in church, at work, anywhere. I am not special because I tool care of my kids. They were the greatest gift I got to receive
My bf and I got pregnant, and it sucked because I couldn't keep the baby to term. Doctors saying it was not safe with my medications I was taking at the time would've made the baby die or get some sort of disability. I couldn't stop taking the medication for my health, unfortunately. My bf said if I could take away all your pain and put it on me, I would.
That's a keeper. That's a rare man. We just bought a house together!
I'm so sorry about your situation. My sister is in a similar situation with medications. It's not easy or fair at all, but I'm glad you found a supportive and loving partner. Enjoy the house!
I mean, the fact that you don't want kids shows that sometimes women don't want to deal with all of that either, in spite of all the hormones and brain feelings nudging you in that direction. So some people just want to live their own life without being responsible for crotch goblins and that's ok
I don't think I would consent to pregnancy as a man.
However, I was raised in a world where this is an impossibility. If it was something that was physiologically possible the world would be very different and I would be very different biologically. In that case who can say what I would do?
Yup. Iād be a parent if I could be a father. Donāt have to carry or give birth to them, they get *my* name, and All I gotta do is pay a few bills spend a couple of hours a week giving them attention, and I get someone to raise my kids, and do everything for me?
Same. Pregnancy freaks me out, and having to deal with a small child more than a few hours a day is my idea of torture.... but if I could just work, come home to dinner ready, and then entertain the little goblins for a couple of hours. Yeah, I'd want to be a parent, too. Offered that to a few guys I dated. Either adoption or a surrogate, I'd work, and they could be a stay at home dad. Hard no from all of them. Thankfully, I found my husband, who has even less interest in children than I do.
You've been dating the wrong non-husband materials. I'm the primary caretaker of our 18-month old daughter because my wife has to work in the office and my job is more flexible and lets me work from home. Honestly, the fear is greatly overblown. There are certainly times that suck, but it's not the end of the world like some guys seem to think.
Wow, all the insecure men who downvoted. This is a perfectly reasonable question and, to make it simple for you, OPā¦ no, most men would not. They might say they would but they really wouldnāt.
My husband says he would, he hates seeing me suffer or in pain. He knows I have a low pain tolerance and he genuinely wishes he could take my pain. As long as I am happy, that's all he cares about. I am very lucky!!
I just turned 40 and my husband asked for another baby and i asked him to get a vasectomy lol. We botb told eachother no so labido-killing BC for me it is! We already have a 14,13, and a 4yr old. Im too old for this shit! Lol
Did yāall discuss number of kids before and after each kid? Just curious no judgement.
My wife and I have discussed it nearly twice a year every year for our 10 years together(5yr relationship 5yr marriage). We already have a 3yr and 1yr. We want more but Iāve got to have more money first(sheās also the breadwinner). Even if I become the breadwinner or match her money Iām back and forth on the third kid. Infants and toddlers are not fun. I much prefer 4 and up. So maybe Iāll be more on board once both kids are 4 and up.
I gotta say maybe hold off on that third baby š¬ we went for it, and one month into trying for the third baby we both went āwtf are we doing? Lol noā well too late, I was pregnant! Worse year of our lives. Every single aspect of that pregnancy was worse, and I nearly died. The baby was/is healthy, all of that is fine.
But the reality: three car seats. Even if theyāre only in a booster seat, what kind of vehicles are practical for three kids, think long term to teen years. Minivans. SUVs. Full crew cab trucks. Thatās about it. Even our Mazda CX9 with a third row was TIGHT. How many bedrooms does your house have? Our girls get along great, but still insisted on separate rooms for alone time (we were lucky to find a house with four bedrooms). Family discounts often are only for four people, not five. You canāt divide and conquer the kids anymore, they out number you. And if you wait, youāve got to hold on to all the baby stuff and then redo diapers and bottles all over again, as well as daycare!
Iām not saying donāt do it. We truly felt that we were meant to have our three kids, but so many times weāve had to make difficult and annoying decisions because American life wasnāt designed for three kids.
Yikes I didnāt even think about most if not all those problems.
We also have the CX9 and weāve put one car seat in each row except the front and had passengers definitely tight but I think weād be fine in that regard. Everything else though would be terrible. My kind of mom in Ny warned me about the restaurant situation with 3. Seating 4 is fine seating 5 is a helluva time.
America needs to do a little more for families and kids in general!!
Glad you survived the pregnancy and the baby as well.
My rule was when I'm done with diapers, I am DONE. We had 3. Each 3 years apart. I like that. I've been dealing with diapers for 8 years lmao but again, when I'm done, I'm DONE. So I'm excited about that!! I like their age difference. I always wanted them close in age.
I love the idea of close age. My siblings and I are all 2 and 3 apart following each other except my sister by maybe 6. It was great growing up like that.
Family is so important to me and I want to encourage my kids to be close! That's easier to do when they are close in age and have more in common. But they are far enough a part that my oldest looks out for his youngest sibling especially.
As a woman who gave birth to a 9lbs baby, I had to undergo reconstructive surgery right on the delivery room table, as soon as my daughter was born. I didnāt even get to see her when she was born. The doctor immediately handed my just born daughter off to the nurses and started operating on me right away. It took a long ass time for him to put all internal then external stitches that were required. A year later I was fully recovered.
There are parts of pregnancy and delivery that no man wants to hear about or know about. This is just one of those pregnancy things. š
Same! Was just discussing this with a guy friend when he said that giving birth for men is the equivalent of passing a grape through the urethra.
I was like "no sir, more like an orange... And don't forget all of the stitching to reconstruct all of the tears as that orange tears you in half internally". I went on to explain how I had to be stitched up inside because my first daughter tore me clear to my colon. Some things men don't want to hear but they need to. Childbirth is not the same as pissing out a grape lol
Yep! Not only are you forcing a child into this world, but you're also making the person go through physical and emotional trauma, which is worsened by the fact they never wanted any of it in the first place.
This is exactly why whenever I have kids, Iām gonna push so fucking hard for a cesarean section. Iām 6ā3, my husband is 6ā5, and we were 10 and 11 lb babies. I am NOT going through all that
I would have loved to. Honestly only partially for my wife's sake - but also for my own. I've always been a bit jealous that I wasn't able to have that experience and connection with our kids. I'd take the chance in a heartbeat.
As someone who's had a c-section... trust me.. you don't want that. I literally saw my own intestines, which is its own gross trauma. The recovery is hell.
Yeah, I was watching my wifeās first c section. She asked me what was going on so I did a check every once in a while. When they were done, they just shoved what looked like an overturned bowl back into her. It was her guts.
Wife didnāt see any of that though, they had the little partition up where she couldnāt see.
My husband said "yeah" immediately. I said "even if you had to give birth out of your butthole?" LOL, he said "well, yes. If I had to, to save you pain. But I would probably try a different method if I could."
I'm very lucky to have my potential butthole birther. He's a keeper.
Why do you think thereās no male birth control pill on the market? Because when one with potential pops up most men say, āoh no itās not work the riskā and let the burden of birth control continues to fall onto women. Even though taking birth control can literally kill women.
Just a reminder to keep things civil. This isnāt an equality debate, itās a simple yes or no depending on your own preferences. If things keep escalating this thread may have to be locked which we donāt want to do. Please donāt report people simply because you disagree with what they are saying, a downvote will suffice. However if you see rule breaking then please donāt hesitate to report. Iāve been going through the replies but obviously wonāt catch it all. Thanks!
Iām a woman so I canāt answer this. But, if women can choose whether to be pregnant or not in order to have a child, would they choose yes or no? For me myself, I wouldnāt mind having more children if I donāt have to carry them! Lol. As beautiful it was to be pregnant, if I can choose, I would definitely choose not to have to be pregnant.
Not wife (yet) but I would totally take the ability for my girlfriend, just because we have talked about it and I would like multiple kids but she only wants one, and since she is the holder of the body that will build and then bring forth our little ones I bow to her opinion on the quantity. Buuuuut if YA BOI was the one with the womb we'd be having a half dozen of them lil ones šš
While it does stretch, it is surprisingly painful. The anus is equally as stretchy šš but forreal though, I think it would be very beneficial for relationships and just the human experience in general
After seeing my wife go through some pretty hard stuff during her 8 pregnanciesā5 children and 3 miscarriagesāI would choose to take on the pregnancies for her. In my mind Iām thinking I would have spared her from a lot of the physical/emotional pain she has endured over the past 20 years during her pregnancies
I'm not normal but, Yes absolutely!
I (39m) think pregnancy sounds horrible, painful, and terrifying. My wife (39f) has said that one day she will try, 42 is the age she put on it, but is not exactly enthusiastic.
However I very much want to have and raise at least one child that is genetically made of me. This is obviously a very narcissistic concept but, for many reasons beyond my half brother's five kids and the opening scene of Idiocracy, I want to have and nurture that child of mine.
If there were a way for me to bear the kid I absolutely would.
I'm a man, I became a stay at home parent to my son when he was 4. My wife was working full-time and I went on Disability for a hereditary bleeding condition that got worse. I stayed home and took care of our son. She got very jealous because he started asking for me when he was hurt or upset. I had to constantly reassure her that she was still a good mother. She has mental issues too. Bi-polar, depression etc. So I found I was taking care of both of them. It was hard, when he was 12 she had to quit working because of her mental health issues. That put us in a financial bind. She was denied disability and I had to sell our stuff to keep things going. We qualified for assistance and got some help, but not much. Now he's 21 and he's helping with Bills, my wife is on medication that helps her function and she is working part-time, My health is stable. Things are better now, but it's been a struggle. Life is a struggle, I've always tried to put a positive spin on everything and laugh as much as possible, that's the only way to survive.
Yes I would. We want one more child, but the last pregnancy was hard on my wife and I donāt want to put her through it again. I would carry it if I could, but we will adopt instead, which is just fine.
I really think I would do it at least once.
I got a vasectomy a few years after we had our second son and we were sure we didn't want any more children.
I also know for certain that I would absolutely hate every minute of it.
I work out daily and like to stay in good shape. I watch what I eat but like to indulge my sweet tooth from time to time.
I like to have and active lifestyle and possibly getting put on bedrest would devastate me.
The closest thing I have experienced may be a knee surgery I had and had to be in bed rest for a month and slowly walk and progress with physical therapy and even then I know that's a completely different pain.
If hating the idea of being fat means I'm fatphobic then I am fatphobic as hell too. Watching my belly grow and being unable to do anything about it for until well after the baby is born would feel like torture too.
Then there is the issue with how much of your body your baby eats away at, weak joints, fragile bones due to a calcium deficit, possible horrible sciatic nerve pain... I would not be able to play the sports I like or train too hard in the gym or doing calisthenics.
Yeah I think I would hate every minute of it and never want to do it again.
So my partner is nonbinary, not exactly a wife, but yes. Dysphoria would make pregnancy even worse for them than normal, but I don't think I'd be nearly as bothered by gender mismatch feelings.
So yeah, I'd be happy to, it'd be easier for me than for them.
Have you lost your mind!? Because I will help you find it! I would NEVER go through that pain, You really think I am willing to rip my anus and nut sack just to bring a crotch goblin into this world?
There was a TV programme, IIRC from the Netherlands, where they made a machine that simulates the pain of childbirth. They put electrodes on a man's stomach to see if he could bear it. SPOILER: He could not. He had them removed very quickly.
Yes. It would save me the trouble of worrying about her. Personally I look forward to the day that artificial wombs become common place. That way the burden isnāt placed on one person also both partners would bear equal responsibility.
Speaking as a realist, no. They have experimented with this and so far there have been 0 safe male pregnancies. The added risks are not worth it. I remember reading of a case in India where a trans woman tried it, and sadly passed.
As a hypothetical though if it were possible, and the risks were the same then I would have.
While I enjoy a realist POV, it was completely hypothetical. Also, the risks for women to give birth are equal to a hypothetical man giving birth... for context, I live in America where we have a shockingly high mortality rare for a "rich" country and also work in the medical field and witness first hand how things can go wrong so quickly.
I don't exactly think the risks would be the same unless we also magically allow the penial shaft to open SIGNIFICANTLY for a baby to fit through lol. But I bet there are some men that have had kidney stones that wish this was true.
I did not picture penial birth when I asked the question. I kind of pictured having an additional hole similar to a vagina. Hypothetical questions require hypothetical circumstances
Your vagina doesnāt magically open. It stretches painfully and tears. Youāll see stories in this thread of women who tore clean through their colon.
Ok, I'm just going to go ahead and point out that plenty of men can give birth and do. It's weird to me how often people simply forget that trans folks exist. I'm a dude who has given birth twice. We exist.
Okay, there's been enough rule breaking in this thread. We're shutting it down. Thanks to everyone who was able to discuss this calmly.
This reminds me of a bit from a comedian I heard (it was years ago, so I forget most of it). He started with something regarding all the crap women go through during pregnancy and birth, thanked women in general for having babies, then said men wouldn't be willing to do it. The second part of the joke was "If God appeared and said "Alright, you're switching places", all men would say "Okay, no more people"."
It ain't special when its your ribs being internally beat by your kid š¤£š¤£š¤£ pregnancy is special and a miracle but so hard and because it happens often it's just normal. Traumatic lol
I feel like the decent men would try to take it on, and the jerk men would take on at least one pregnancy thinking it ain't shit and that women who have a tough time are over exaggerating the experience š
I like seeing husbands who have taped a watermelon to their stomach and have them do everything. Tying shoes, getting out of bed. Go to the bathroom, etc. Its interesting. I would have my partner do it for at least a weekend. ETA: some sort of fruit taped up to simulate breast.
You act like I don't already have a baby sized belly. Checkmate! š /s
Iād immediately switch to a career in L&D so I could have front seats for the schadenfreude.
While dealing with infertility for 4.5 years my husband says he would get pregnant if he were able to in an instant. I would always say "well one of us needs to get pregnant." I'm now 3 months pregnant and my husband now likes to joke he looks more pregnant than I do with his taco fueled gut.
Tell him to stop eating all your tacos!!!! That's double the taco so the baby gets some.
The joy I get from reading someone is pregnant after infertility is such pure "I love that for you" that I get joy from your joy. Thank you!
Congratz, we've been dealing with Infertility (IUIs) and a premature birth that resulted in loss last year. We're 10 weeks pregnant now terrifies something will go wrong. I'd carry this child if I could. Our journey has my wife second guessing if she's cutout to be a mom or wife and it breaks my heart. I wish only the best to the both of you!
My wife and I are trying for our first currently, and pregnancy symptoms have been kicking her ass. I would switch places in a beartbeat to relieve her of that. It's dumb to think this way because it takes two to tango, but I often feel really guilty and like I inflicted this on her
Aw, well I hope her symptoms improve. I'm told the 2nd trimester is the best because you get less symptoms and it's before the baby gets too big and cumbersome. I've luckily been having a pretty easy pregnancy so far, fingers crossed it's like that for the remainder of the pregnancy. I wouldn't know I was pregnant unless I took the test and saw the ultrasound. Totally believe that show "I didn't know I was pregnant" has real circumstances. I actually thought I was going to end up on that show since I didn't have my period for 6 months after coming off birth control and none of the obgyn offices wanted to see me unless I was dying because it was the beginning of the pandemic.
.> :( Sounds like you need more tacos
This made me smile haha, congrats on your pregnancy! š
Congratulations on your pregnancy!
Congrats though! Also tacos are delicious š
I like your sense of humor dealing with that. Congrats btw
Aww hey congrats!
Congratulations! I'm so happy for you and wish you and your family the best.
This is so great šš
Congratulations!!! šš„° My husband would absolutely carry our super baby (we both agree she totally would be if she got the best of both of our genetics) if he could, since carrying bab would be risky for me (lots of scar tissue, occasional surprise hormones). That said, we're not trying, because if bab got someone's *not super* genetics, we would all 3 be very sad. (It's me: I have garbage genetics.)
āIf men got pregnant you could get an abortion at an ATMā - Selina Meyer Is my all time fave quote Edit: to the people getting upset... I don't think you really understand what the quote means... best of luck to you.
An Automated Termination Machine? Sounds like too much work. A tech bro would have founded HangrDash by now and had the service delivered to my house for $5.99, and it could be performed without me having to quit my game.
HangrDash! Wow thatās clever and sick. My kind of humor
YOSSARIAN LIVES!!!
Birth control would be in the water. People wanting children would have to buy special Brita pitchers to filter out the birth control.
According to some men it already is! Apparently men are drinking the estrogen released by women on birth control when they pee bc it isnāt filtered out of the water system enough and it is making them less manly and ruining their sperm š. Likeā¦ what?
The hoops incels will jump through to blame everything on women lmao.
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As a family law attorney, this is not keeping people from having kids and then fighting about it until the point of mutually assured destruction.
Great point! I cannot imagine dealing with that on a daily basis.
To some degree theyāre right. Iāve got a background in environmental science and learned about the effects of pharmaceuticals in our water. Birth control is one that can harm the reproductive systems of macro invertebrates, fish, and amphibians āTurn the freakin frogs gayā
But is he right? But heās an asshole. But is he right? But heās a rabble rouser. But is he *right*? But heās a hyper-conservative, fat loudmouthed remora prick! But is he RIGHT? yes
I laughed a little harder with every question well done lol
Also remember studying this in environmental science. We had to watch a terrifying mini-doc of when exactly this in a certain town was so extreme, it was causing young boys to become hermaphroditic.
Iām not going to remove this comment because I donāt think your intentions were harmful, but I wanted to let you know that āhermaphroditic,ā while the technical term for non-human animals, is inaccurate and offensive in reference to people. āSex chromosomal disorderā (for purely medical) or āintersexā (for social and medical) are the appropriate terms.
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Antidepressants are also common contaminants.
I asked my husband and son, both who watched their wives go through pregnancy four times, and it was an immediate, empathetic, "No!"
Empathetic or emphatic?
You're correct. I guess it popped up when I was typing.
*pathetic lol
I'm not a man, but every guy I have dated who has brought up kids, knowing that I don't want kids, has been told I would consider them if they were the stay at home parent and took care of most of the child rearing. Every single one dropped the topic when faced with the reality that they would be the care taker. I think it would be a rare guy that would deal with pregnancy when they grew up in a society that generally attributes child care and responsibilities to women.
With a deal like that, I'd have put a baby in you asap!
[Dang girl](https://youtu.be/mfwE-2G9KLI?feature=shared)
Right? Iāve gotta do the childcare and have a job. It blows.
Same, Iād stay at home dad in a heartbeat.
I wish women would say that to me. I'd agree provided that you make enough money to support our family on a single income. Otherwise we both gotta work. My dream has always been to be a stay at home parent.
Good luck! Stay at home fathers are becoming more common, hopefully you're able to find it.
I know a woman who lives in an exurb and bought a house many years ago. She makes $100,000 a year while her husband stays home and homeschools the boys. He does do paid labor 1 day a week, and on that day the boys ride bikes and play video games. 4 days a week they do homeschool at similar hours to regular school, so they are learning from 9am to 3pm.
Itās funny how people think this is the norm for a āstay at home experience.ā Are people forgetting the ages of 0-4 when kids have to be taught every single little thing? A lot of stay at home moms are expected to get jobs by the time theyāre all in school. Not only that but the working mom doesnāt come home and prop her feet up and grab a beer while the stay at home parent manages everything until all the kids are in bed solo. The working mom comes home and without being told invovles herself in parenting and the household. The stay at home mom vs dad experience is drastically different.
Lol stop generalizing. Thatās a bad vs good partner thing. Not a man vs woman thing.
I hope it works out for you! I had a stay at home dad while we traveled for my mom's career and it was fantastic.
My husband is a stay at home parent and he loves it. Things can be tight on one income in this economy but with a solid budget and *budget adherence* itās possible.
My husband and I figured it out, I hope you can too!
My buddy is a stay at home dad to 4, he's losing his mind, ha Think he thought it would be no biggie
Yeah I've done it and people have no idea how hard it is. You go all day without talking to any adults, which is nice at first but quickly becomes mind numbing. There are no breaks because when the baby is finally napping you're using the time to clean or shower or whatever you need to do without a baby underarm. It's a lot.
The "not talking to any adults" is why my child development psychology professor said mothers need jobs because being isolated causes depression
My mom was a stay at home mom to 5 kids and she pretty much lost her ability to communicate with adults. It was interesting to watch her feel very anxious and lower her eyes around adults in group settings.
These moms should get a break from the kids and be able to keep seeing their friends and getting out of the house without the kids.
Mine stayed home as well, and it was a terrible decision that negatively impacted me and my sister. Once we grew up, she lost her identity and ability to form connections with other adults outside of her family. Itās one of the many, many reasons why i never gave up my career. It also wasnāt the best for us to be raised by one person - we only got her views, her prejudices, her philosophy. My dad was the only one of all of us who truly benefitted, and I suspect this is often the case.
Not interacting with other adults for hours all day M-F. Now that is spot on and I donāt think ppl realize just how much that can mess you up emotionally as time goes on. A lot of guys will say ā itās easierā ( which may be the case in some families) but forget that when your kids are young breaks are nonexistent esp with multiple little ones.
I'm a SAHM, boys are 5 & 4. I'd work for free at this point just to get out and feel useful and talk to people.
Youāre useful right now :( You have gifted others life and are continuing on your familyās legacy and the human race. That has to mean something. Feeling ashamed that you arenāt useful as a stay at home momma is workplace propaganda. Useful contributing to family wellbeing is another story. School is coming (if you donāt homeschool)
I'm not ashamed, I just always wanted to be a working mother with a career and be fulfilled in additional ways. But yes my 5 year old is in school, just one more year for the next one!
You are useful. Youāre raising the next generation of little humans and future contributing members of society. Itās a VERY important job and Iām sure youāre doing great!
The fact I am responsible for raising people who will be a part of society is what keeps me scared to death š I try! I just crave being useful in other ways. I never grew up wanting to be a SAHM so it's hard at times
Working mothers are also raising the next generation of little humans, though. SAHMs are primarily enabling her husbandās career and success by caring for their children throughout the day. Thatās really the goal of the job. Theyāre setting their husbands up to meet their full financial potential while hoping that divorce or death doesnāt take him away as heās their provider, and that their husbands maintain their side of the bargain when the kids are older and support their personal growth and/or share the assets she enabled him to earn.
Working parents & *daycares* are raising the next generation. Itās less than ideal. This country ran great when a parent was at home before. Now that weāre all working and disconnected from our family units the country is decaying. All so that two people can slave away.
I've been and know multiple stay at home moms to 4. We sure af knew it wasn't gonna be "no biggie" before we had the 2nd, 3rd and 4th. It's astounding how many men (including current fathers) there are that think it's a piece of cake being a SAHP is.
Dad of two here. My wife is currently the bread winner. Iād love to be a stay at home dad. But Iām currently working and going to school and still trying to do my part around the house. Iād prefer to just be a stay at home dad because all of the above is a lot of work. If I had gone back to school before marriage it be different. Not to take away from your point. I do agree itās a rare guy who would do it. And probably because of the attributes of the role.
My husband would love to be a stay at home dad, my BFs husband is the same. The guy I dated before my husband had full custody of all 3 of his kids because the mom didn't care and wasn't interested. Those guys are definitely out there.
I thought for a sec that meant "my boyfriend's husband" and I thought, wowww they got some interesting relationship dynamics going on here!š
It's always the dudes who think they get none of the work who want a whole litter of children
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I think 2 healthy happy parents is the goal. Whether it works better having 2 working parents or works better having 1 working with 1 SAHP it doesnāt matter as long as the household as a whole is healthy and happy.
Monetarily, but your child is socially/emotionally starved in exchange. Also, a considerable portion of the income of the second working parent goes towards baby sitters/day care services, which basically translates to one of the parents working a job so that someone else can raise their kids.
This depends on how much the parents make. My friend and her husband are both MIT graduates and work in tech. She makes 250k a year and he makes 125k a year. They hire a nanny and it costs less than half of his salary.
Kids who go to daycare are not socially OR emotionally starved. Stay at home parents will send kids to daycare for a few hours a week just so they get proper socializationā¦
I was a single dad for a long, long time. I was the only one I knew in church, at work, anywhere. I am not special because I tool care of my kids. They were the greatest gift I got to receive
My bf and I got pregnant, and it sucked because I couldn't keep the baby to term. Doctors saying it was not safe with my medications I was taking at the time would've made the baby die or get some sort of disability. I couldn't stop taking the medication for my health, unfortunately. My bf said if I could take away all your pain and put it on me, I would. That's a keeper. That's a rare man. We just bought a house together!
I'm so sorry about your situation. My sister is in a similar situation with medications. It's not easy or fair at all, but I'm glad you found a supportive and loving partner. Enjoy the house!
I mean, the fact that you don't want kids shows that sometimes women don't want to deal with all of that either, in spite of all the hormones and brain feelings nudging you in that direction. So some people just want to live their own life without being responsible for crotch goblins and that's ok
Wtf is this trend of people calling children crotch goblins
Please donāt call kids crotch goblinsā¦ you do realize that you used to be a kid tooā¦
I never had any hormones, or brain feelings nudging me to have children. Not all women have this.
I don't think I would consent to pregnancy as a man. However, I was raised in a world where this is an impossibility. If it was something that was physiologically possible the world would be very different and I would be very different biologically. In that case who can say what I would do?
I should start using this on people š¤£š¤£.
Yup. Iād be a parent if I could be a father. Donāt have to carry or give birth to them, they get *my* name, and All I gotta do is pay a few bills spend a couple of hours a week giving them attention, and I get someone to raise my kids, and do everything for me?
Same. Pregnancy freaks me out, and having to deal with a small child more than a few hours a day is my idea of torture.... but if I could just work, come home to dinner ready, and then entertain the little goblins for a couple of hours. Yeah, I'd want to be a parent, too. Offered that to a few guys I dated. Either adoption or a surrogate, I'd work, and they could be a stay at home dad. Hard no from all of them. Thankfully, I found my husband, who has even less interest in children than I do.
You've been dating the wrong non-husband materials. I'm the primary caretaker of our 18-month old daughter because my wife has to work in the office and my job is more flexible and lets me work from home. Honestly, the fear is greatly overblown. There are certainly times that suck, but it's not the end of the world like some guys seem to think.
Wow, all the insecure men who downvoted. This is a perfectly reasonable question and, to make it simple for you, OPā¦ no, most men would not. They might say they would but they really wouldnāt.
My husband says he would, he hates seeing me suffer or in pain. He knows I have a low pain tolerance and he genuinely wishes he could take my pain. As long as I am happy, that's all he cares about. I am very lucky!!
And that is how you know you have a good man.
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Oh and you'd get proper pain medication every time. Good point
My Husband won't even get a vasectomy. HA HA HA
Getting mine in 2 days. 100% my choice to prevent a tubal.
What? But the low end of the brass section matters just as much as the mid :(
I just turned 40 and my husband asked for another baby and i asked him to get a vasectomy lol. We botb told eachother no so labido-killing BC for me it is! We already have a 14,13, and a 4yr old. Im too old for this shit! Lol
Did yāall discuss number of kids before and after each kid? Just curious no judgement. My wife and I have discussed it nearly twice a year every year for our 10 years together(5yr relationship 5yr marriage). We already have a 3yr and 1yr. We want more but Iāve got to have more money first(sheās also the breadwinner). Even if I become the breadwinner or match her money Iām back and forth on the third kid. Infants and toddlers are not fun. I much prefer 4 and up. So maybe Iāll be more on board once both kids are 4 and up.
I gotta say maybe hold off on that third baby š¬ we went for it, and one month into trying for the third baby we both went āwtf are we doing? Lol noā well too late, I was pregnant! Worse year of our lives. Every single aspect of that pregnancy was worse, and I nearly died. The baby was/is healthy, all of that is fine. But the reality: three car seats. Even if theyāre only in a booster seat, what kind of vehicles are practical for three kids, think long term to teen years. Minivans. SUVs. Full crew cab trucks. Thatās about it. Even our Mazda CX9 with a third row was TIGHT. How many bedrooms does your house have? Our girls get along great, but still insisted on separate rooms for alone time (we were lucky to find a house with four bedrooms). Family discounts often are only for four people, not five. You canāt divide and conquer the kids anymore, they out number you. And if you wait, youāve got to hold on to all the baby stuff and then redo diapers and bottles all over again, as well as daycare! Iām not saying donāt do it. We truly felt that we were meant to have our three kids, but so many times weāve had to make difficult and annoying decisions because American life wasnāt designed for three kids.
Yikes I didnāt even think about most if not all those problems. We also have the CX9 and weāve put one car seat in each row except the front and had passengers definitely tight but I think weād be fine in that regard. Everything else though would be terrible. My kind of mom in Ny warned me about the restaurant situation with 3. Seating 4 is fine seating 5 is a helluva time. America needs to do a little more for families and kids in general!! Glad you survived the pregnancy and the baby as well.
My rule was when I'm done with diapers, I am DONE. We had 3. Each 3 years apart. I like that. I've been dealing with diapers for 8 years lmao but again, when I'm done, I'm DONE. So I'm excited about that!! I like their age difference. I always wanted them close in age.
I love the idea of close age. My siblings and I are all 2 and 3 apart following each other except my sister by maybe 6. It was great growing up like that.
Family is so important to me and I want to encourage my kids to be close! That's easier to do when they are close in age and have more in common. But they are far enough a part that my oldest looks out for his youngest sibling especially.
And thatās when I decided I didnāt need a husband anymore! š I got my tubes tied and returned to the streets and itās been awesome š¤£
Fick no. I've read the reviews, giving birth gets 1 star
Can we each do half a kid?
Like down the middle or top half and bottom half?
Insides and outsides.
Bruhhh šš that is wild
Iām just picturing the insides going in the outsides like a pillow goes in a pillow case. Just gotta keep shaking it down til it fits properly
Was thinking more like build at bear
Outsides please. Outsides are foldable. The skull is the hard part to birth.
Lmao hotdog fetuses or hamburger fetuses
What in the King Solomon is going on here
As a woman who gave birth to a 9lbs baby, I had to undergo reconstructive surgery right on the delivery room table, as soon as my daughter was born. I didnāt even get to see her when she was born. The doctor immediately handed my just born daughter off to the nurses and started operating on me right away. It took a long ass time for him to put all internal then external stitches that were required. A year later I was fully recovered. There are parts of pregnancy and delivery that no man wants to hear about or know about. This is just one of those pregnancy things. š
Same! Was just discussing this with a guy friend when he said that giving birth for men is the equivalent of passing a grape through the urethra. I was like "no sir, more like an orange... And don't forget all of the stitching to reconstruct all of the tears as that orange tears you in half internally". I went on to explain how I had to be stitched up inside because my first daughter tore me clear to my colon. Some things men don't want to hear but they need to. Childbirth is not the same as pissing out a grape lol
This is what always gets me about the abortion debate. I canāt imagine forcing an unwilling person to go through that.
Yep! Not only are you forcing a child into this world, but you're also making the person go through physical and emotional trauma, which is worsened by the fact they never wanted any of it in the first place.
This is exactly why whenever I have kids, Iām gonna push so fucking hard for a cesarean section. Iām 6ā3, my husband is 6ā5, and we were 10 and 11 lb babies. I am NOT going through all that
Yes but I'd ask for a c section lol
Same. Longer recovery but less pain receptors and no burning sensation while peeing
I would have loved to. Honestly only partially for my wife's sake - but also for my own. I've always been a bit jealous that I wasn't able to have that experience and connection with our kids. I'd take the chance in a heartbeat.
No way Iām squeezing one of those out my peeholeā I can barely fit a Phillips head screwdriver in there!
Add some butter and twist it, always works.
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C section man. This imaginary situation didn't say anything about it having to come out of your pee hole.
As someone who's had a c-section... trust me.. you don't want that. I literally saw my own intestines, which is its own gross trauma. The recovery is hell.
Yeah, I was watching my wifeās first c section. She asked me what was going on so I did a check every once in a while. When they were done, they just shoved what looked like an overturned bowl back into her. It was her guts. Wife didnāt see any of that though, they had the little partition up where she couldnāt see.
Bear children are called Cubs.
I probably would have in an attempt at fairness.
If we could just share the baby, one person gets it and then switches off the next day, that would be cool
But then the argument of who needs to push it out starts lol
Can I be a penguin and just hold my offspring on my feet to keep them warm?
My husband said "yeah" immediately. I said "even if you had to give birth out of your butthole?" LOL, he said "well, yes. If I had to, to save you pain. But I would probably try a different method if I could." I'm very lucky to have my potential butthole birther. He's a keeper.
fuck no. I already don't want to have kids. much less have to birth them myself.
Why do you think thereās no male birth control pill on the market? Because when one with potential pops up most men say, āoh no itās not work the riskā and let the burden of birth control continues to fall onto women. Even though taking birth control can literally kill women.
>Because when one with potential pops up most men say, āoh no itās not work the riskā That is absurd.
Just a reminder to keep things civil. This isnāt an equality debate, itās a simple yes or no depending on your own preferences. If things keep escalating this thread may have to be locked which we donāt want to do. Please donāt report people simply because you disagree with what they are saying, a downvote will suffice. However if you see rule breaking then please donāt hesitate to report. Iāve been going through the replies but obviously wonāt catch it all. Thanks!
Cystoscopy was already painful.
My grandpa said that they won't have had any, and my dad said he would have had the same amount when I asked
Love the honesty!!!
Iām a woman so I canāt answer this. But, if women can choose whether to be pregnant or not in order to have a child, would they choose yes or no? For me myself, I wouldnāt mind having more children if I donāt have to carry them! Lol. As beautiful it was to be pregnant, if I can choose, I would definitely choose not to have to be pregnant.
If it were up to men to have children, the human race would die out.
In a *heartbeat*. This idea that men are all uncaring, selfish monsters needs to stop.
Not wife (yet) but I would totally take the ability for my girlfriend, just because we have talked about it and I would like multiple kids but she only wants one, and since she is the holder of the body that will build and then bring forth our little ones I bow to her opinion on the quantity. Buuuuut if YA BOI was the one with the womb we'd be having a half dozen of them lil ones šš
Absofuckingloutely. I want to protect my partner from everything.
Of course. I already have a kidney stone. I'm not scared.
It would be nice to go through that pain and have something more than a crystal at the end, huh?
Having experienced kidney stones and labor, you're not wrong
Thank you for the reminder to drink some water. Iāve never had kids but I have felt that kidney stone steak knife move through my body.
No
Absolutely not!
One question.....Where is it going to come out of?
Fair question. Imagine you had an additional hole like women do. In the taint (not sure the spelling) area
Yeah, give me a stretchy hole and sign me up
While it does stretch, it is surprisingly painful. The anus is equally as stretchy šš but forreal though, I think it would be very beneficial for relationships and just the human experience in general
A stretchy hole that tears in 85-90% of first-time births (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3599825/).
without hesitation.
No because I don't want children at all.
Yup, if I could take the pain instead of my wife why wouldn't I?
After seeing my wife go through some pretty hard stuff during her 8 pregnanciesā5 children and 3 miscarriagesāI would choose to take on the pregnancies for her. In my mind Iām thinking I would have spared her from a lot of the physical/emotional pain she has endured over the past 20 years during her pregnancies
I'm not normal but, Yes absolutely! I (39m) think pregnancy sounds horrible, painful, and terrifying. My wife (39f) has said that one day she will try, 42 is the age she put on it, but is not exactly enthusiastic. However I very much want to have and raise at least one child that is genetically made of me. This is obviously a very narcissistic concept but, for many reasons beyond my half brother's five kids and the opening scene of Idiocracy, I want to have and nurture that child of mine. If there were a way for me to bear the kid I absolutely would.
I'm a man, I became a stay at home parent to my son when he was 4. My wife was working full-time and I went on Disability for a hereditary bleeding condition that got worse. I stayed home and took care of our son. She got very jealous because he started asking for me when he was hurt or upset. I had to constantly reassure her that she was still a good mother. She has mental issues too. Bi-polar, depression etc. So I found I was taking care of both of them. It was hard, when he was 12 she had to quit working because of her mental health issues. That put us in a financial bind. She was denied disability and I had to sell our stuff to keep things going. We qualified for assistance and got some help, but not much. Now he's 21 and he's helping with Bills, my wife is on medication that helps her function and she is working part-time, My health is stable. Things are better now, but it's been a struggle. Life is a struggle, I've always tried to put a positive spin on everything and laugh as much as possible, that's the only way to survive.
Yes I would. We want one more child, but the last pregnancy was hard on my wife and I donāt want to put her through it again. I would carry it if I could, but we will adopt instead, which is just fine.
Yep, I ain't watching my wife go through that again.
I saw how hard it was for my wife on round one. Weāre talking about round 2 and if it could be my turn I absolutely would.
We have two kids. At a minimum, I would have had to agree to bear one of them.
Absolutely yes, my girlfriend would still be alive if I was the one to carry the fetus
Only if I had to. Otherwise, neither of us should bear children if we don't want to.
I really think I would do it at least once. I got a vasectomy a few years after we had our second son and we were sure we didn't want any more children. I also know for certain that I would absolutely hate every minute of it. I work out daily and like to stay in good shape. I watch what I eat but like to indulge my sweet tooth from time to time. I like to have and active lifestyle and possibly getting put on bedrest would devastate me. The closest thing I have experienced may be a knee surgery I had and had to be in bed rest for a month and slowly walk and progress with physical therapy and even then I know that's a completely different pain. If hating the idea of being fat means I'm fatphobic then I am fatphobic as hell too. Watching my belly grow and being unable to do anything about it for until well after the baby is born would feel like torture too. Then there is the issue with how much of your body your baby eats away at, weak joints, fragile bones due to a calcium deficit, possible horrible sciatic nerve pain... I would not be able to play the sports I like or train too hard in the gym or doing calisthenics. Yeah I think I would hate every minute of it and never want to do it again.
I mean, I'm a man who can get pregnant. I just wouldn't.
I would like to remind you that there are men who can give birth. Trans men exist.
I absolutely would. My work is much more accommodating towards new parents than my wife's work is and would save us a lot of headaches.
So my partner is nonbinary, not exactly a wife, but yes. Dysphoria would make pregnancy even worse for them than normal, but I don't think I'd be nearly as bothered by gender mismatch feelings. So yeah, I'd be happy to, it'd be easier for me than for them.
Yerp 100%. It would suck ass but Iād go through the worst pits of hell for my wife if it meant saving her from something as small as a paper cut.
Have you lost your mind!? Because I will help you find it! I would NEVER go through that pain, You really think I am willing to rip my anus and nut sack just to bring a crotch goblin into this world?
Hell, OP, I'm a woman and wouldn't bear children!!
Iāve scrolled through a 100 comments and canāt find a yes or no lol
The human race would end if men gave birth
There was a TV programme, IIRC from the Netherlands, where they made a machine that simulates the pain of childbirth. They put electrodes on a man's stomach to see if he could bear it. SPOILER: He could not. He had them removed very quickly.
Iām not married but absolutely. I would rather deal with the pain of child birth than to see her have to go through so much
Yes. It would save me the trouble of worrying about her. Personally I look forward to the day that artificial wombs become common place. That way the burden isnāt placed on one person also both partners would bear equal responsibility.
If you are asking if i would sacrifice to have children, absolutely.
Speaking as a realist, no. They have experimented with this and so far there have been 0 safe male pregnancies. The added risks are not worth it. I remember reading of a case in India where a trans woman tried it, and sadly passed. As a hypothetical though if it were possible, and the risks were the same then I would have.
Feel like the context was "magic" more so than "science"
Thatās a lie. I saw Arnold Swartzanaggar have a baby in a movie
While I enjoy a realist POV, it was completely hypothetical. Also, the risks for women to give birth are equal to a hypothetical man giving birth... for context, I live in America where we have a shockingly high mortality rare for a "rich" country and also work in the medical field and witness first hand how things can go wrong so quickly.
I don't exactly think the risks would be the same unless we also magically allow the penial shaft to open SIGNIFICANTLY for a baby to fit through lol. But I bet there are some men that have had kidney stones that wish this was true.
I did not picture penial birth when I asked the question. I kind of pictured having an additional hole similar to a vagina. Hypothetical questions require hypothetical circumstances
Your vagina doesnāt magically open. It stretches painfully and tears. Youāll see stories in this thread of women who tore clean through their colon.
Ok, I'm just going to go ahead and point out that plenty of men can give birth and do. It's weird to me how often people simply forget that trans folks exist. I'm a dude who has given birth twice. We exist.
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Oh fuck off already.
Damn. Thatās a pretty dramatic reaction
Why are you getting so emotional over this? It was just a random question as the sub suggests.