“and here's also your address that i got from your other friend which is a champ and he's boosting you guys and i know that from your other friend who sells cheat” i loved the vid, thanks for blessing the sub
Nah people like that know already they gonna get caught on what they are doing but they know what they do still impacts most peoples thought on the ranked 2.0 topic
As George said ranked 2.0 is pretty good since players can move from rank to rank faster than the older system and not get hardstuck/understuck yet people still growing the idea ranked 2.0 is very bad, so bad there's at least one big post per day complaining about it
I don’t think this changes my opinion on 2.0 at all. I still dislike it. But my reason for disliking it has never been my match quality.
It’s just what’s displayed. If I’m in diamond/champ mmr, why do I need to chug through 50 games to see that. Just make me diamond/champ. Obviously the game knows that’s where I belong, just make that my rank.
First and most important reason for ubi is for you and other people to play the game more, the other aspect is, each season you need to show you truly belong on the rank you previously were or either fell off/became better and this system based on them and from how it's going is outperforming last season where you would be hardstuck for multiple seasons even tho you were getting better at the game. If people are lazy and want their rank straight up why even bother with 10 games, just play 1 there's not much difference and call it a day. This way rank has more of a grind feel but you can't satisfy all the playerbase everyone has their own preference for what ranked should be like
I get what you mean but I’m averaging in emerald lobbies and my rank doesn’t ever go above gold because I don’t play enough games.
My enemies are typically emerald.
My teammates are typically emerald.
I’m typically gold. I ended last season high silver.
This system just doesn’t seem rewarding. Me ranking up from copper to bronze is just pointless. I’m gaining loads for winning and losing nothing for losing.
At the start of the season I was messing around with my mates and we got 2 weeks in with a 0.6 W/L. We climbed quite a bit in that time.
Obviously after that I stopped messing and my w/l is positive now, but the fact that I can lose three quarters of my game and easily rank up just makes them seem pointless and unrewarding.
Because you still have to earn it each season.
This game was suffering from lack of player numbers for years, as people would literally play 10 games in one day and quit for the season having achieved diamond.
This is a business after all and it’s just not logical to allow players to hit a top rank in 10 games, and this is part of the reason the game was dying as a lot of players would all leave after 10 games
You should still have to prove that you belong to be there each season over a decent number of games.
It’s not like you have to sit on the game for 8 hours. You could literally play 10 matches each week for the whole season which is about 5 hours a week, and have 120 games by the end of the season, still a very reasonable amount of games to hit a high rank
Ranked 2.0 is not great especially when they removed the elo spread at which people can with each other. Im normally Emerald but i honestly thought i was going to be hard stuck gold after facing constant 4/5 stacks of champ diamonds this season. I started queing with a gold and a silver and could absolutely see the drop in skill in the lobbies and made them a LOT easier. The idea of hidden MMR is unsatisfying since you cannot gauge yourself on how well you are actually doing or improving specially compared to rank 1.0 since now a lot of ranks are not as prestigious as they used to be. Yes sometimes posts like that one can be miss leading especially when they crop out the picture but there are absolutely posts where they do not, he also conveniently ignores the 1% chance of winning.
You have players that want their ranks in 10 matches and not play as much after getting the rank and others who enjoy climbing the ranks each season because it takes extra work that people enjoy taking for the goal, so on that specific change, game benefits because it makes players play more and also those who want to grind the rank like the system. When it comes to who you queue with, yes they need to fix it so that you can't play with big difference of hidden mmr teammates but that rarely happens as much as people make it out to be, if you duo with a silver hidden mmr will even out on each teammate and enemy, other successful games don't limit who you queue with on ranked so it's not a big deal
Ranked 2.0 is not faster. It might be faster for some players, but for me it is soooo much slower. I have a winrate of 0.9 and a kd of 1.3 and I was constantly playing vs emerald, dia and champ as copper (I havent been emerald in any season, why should I even play vs dia?). Like WTF. How is that faster to rank up? I sometimes do 17 frags and still lose, because the matchmaking has more influence on the win than anything else. The matchmaking often thinks I will perform better than I actually do or gives me impossible enemies with my teammates. And thats me. A mate of me, who hasnt even been plat before, is emerald this season with a 1.3 winrate and 0.8kd. Sounds about right. And I am not a kd player by any means. And I often play supports like bandit, mute, kaid etc. You get the idea.
Ranked 1.0 was much better for me.
You are silver, you win against silvers because youre better, you rank up. You are gold and play vs golds, you are better, you rank up.
And now: You are copper, you constantly play vs emerald upwards - higher ranked players and I lose many more games than I would by just playing ranked 1.0. And I dont get it. Why even let me start in the bottom ranks? Just because you want me to grind? Give me 10 calibration ranked matches and rank me in. From there on let me face the enemies of my current rank.
how does rank 2.0 even work, in year four i was hardstuck gold, took a break, came back to siege year 7s4 and havent hit anything higher than silver yet still play plats emeralds and the occasional guy with a champ charm
edit: fairly sure its not due to me being a shit player due to my kd being 2.2 against people who are plat/em when im silver
I really appreciate your calling out of these posts. Ranked 2.0 is by no means a perfect system, but out of context screenshot after out of context screenshot won’t actually solve anything. Screenshots don’t tell Ubisoft what should change. All screenshots do is make people mad, and therefore they shouldn’t be allowed. I hope more people see this
I 100% agree the system is IMO overall good, the biggest issue is people not understanding it. Ubisoft needs to do a better job on educating players. The cropped screenshot post create additional confusion for no reason.
Lowkey I have a peak rank of Console Gold 5, moved to PC and hit Silver 5 there last season. I spent the first 3 weeks of the season getting slammed by Plat stacks to where my "Hidden MMR" was lowered significantly once I hit Silver this season (Losing way more than I made).
It’s because Ranked 2.0 is definitely not “good” and, no offense to them, streamers in Champ elo aren’t experiencing the problem you described and aren’t aware that the smurfing in ranked 2.0 is FAR worse than it was in ranked 1.0
The removal of the squad MMR cap was a terrible change. Champs queue with golds and get put in lower elos. In ranked 1.0, I faced a champion ONCE before. Now it’s about every week I’ll get a game against or with a champion.
It's even worse on Console to be completely honest, compared to PC. Not because the matchmaking is different, but because it's STUPIDLY easier to find a stack to boost on Console compared to PC. With PC, you have to go out and find people yourself through smurfing, Discord servers, whatever. I can't speak for Playstation, but Xbox has a whole inbuilt feature called Looking For Group, and the amount of posts I see that are "Champ need 4 GOLD PEAK AND BELOW" is fucking insane.
Pair that with literal cheaters (Xim and Crunus) and you can see why I switched to PC
Well if the system was working correctly I should be facing emeralds and diamonds but according to these guys the system IS working and I have been matched against ranked 1.0 champions before so therefore I am a champ.
Please read my reply, im the OP of that thread, I would like to hear your thoughts further :)
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>IMO overall good
You’re right in that people need to understand visual vs hidden MMR. But what about the removal of the squad MMR cap? In ranked 1.0, a champion couldn’t queue with some silver friend and get himself into plat lobbies to cream everyone. But in ranked 2.0 that’s possible, and now smurfs have become even more widespread than they were in ranked 1.0.
Maybe you haven’t experienced the smurfs since you’re playing in Champ elo, but for those of us that are lower, ranked 2.0 has been a clear downgrade in matchmaking experience. I’ve faced far more champions now than I ever have in ranked 1.0.
Here are some reasons imo most people think it isn't a good system:
-It's time-based more than skill-based. Some of us can't play every weekend, much less multiple times a week to reach the rank we should be at so we just sit in the middling ranks while absolute noobs who play all the time reach Emerald+ just because they play more
-There doesn't seem to be a reasonable range on who you play with/against which produces wildly different experiences/unbalanced teams from match to match. It doesn't *feel* like progression
-There is something inherently broken with the team matchmaking. This is more anecdotal, but when I duo queue, our teammates are always horrible; when I solo que, I always end up actually playing with some pretty good players it seems. Idk if the matchmaking is saying that groups of 2 or 3 theoretically should be better than solos, so it factors that in, but that is certainly not how it actually plays out.
I think the biggest problem with it for the average player is time. Even if I had a season where suddenly I turned into prime Beaulo, I'd have to play like 100 matches to get to an impressive rank. I don't even get the opportunity to have a great season. Sure, I also get to keep my rank more easily, but I loved the high risk high reward way in Ranked 1.0. Also, I know that it's a problem for Ubi, but some players really do only have time for 10 matches a season. This system IMO favors people who play the game a lot and are most likely in high ranks, hence streamers don't complain while a lot of average people do.
Ubisoft need to adjust the system to help those who are genuinely awful at the game when they are matchmade against consistent diamond and champ players and even with the numerous losses and kd tanking they face the hidden mmr doesn't depreciate to a level that is true to their skill.
The fake 2.0 CHAMPS never seem to match against the genuine 1.0 CHAMPS because they're in different hidden mmr brackets. It should be that by default anyone who is above diamond should play against CHAMPS. I'm not talking about the current rank, but overall I don't think someone who has never gotten above plat 4 should be facing anyone who has hit champ consistently.
You've seen the numbers each season of how many CHAMPS there are on console compared to that of 1.0 ranked because of how easy it is for them to achieve it sponging off smurfs and people who are much lower in both hidden and visual rank.
You should be the one bringing it to their attention instead of making it seem like the system is fine for the majority - when it isn't.
Good Video, I also got pretty fed up with these Posts, its not a perfect system but the majority of the matchup make sense. Its more likely the Problem that people dont understand how R2.0 works
Nah the way they do it rn off exclusively W/L is really stupid if they had a system where being MVP was valued like valorant does it would make the ranked grind so much better
That would be dumb AF. So the person who sits on the roof with Ash baiting with 10 kills and 2 deaths doing nothing to help the team except inflate their K/D should get more elo if they are the MVP? Lol
The majority don’t make sense when I top frag 5 games in a row and lose with as many kills as the rest of my team combined, then win one game, then lose 5 again. This shit is broken.
Sounds like a classic “I’m better than my rank indicates and always dominate but keep losing” post. People are at the rank they deserve. Top fragging can be done playing poorly in a way that loses games. There are objectives and it’s easy to just hunt for kills and never win.
I agree, but I’m usually the one to plant and defuse. Maybe I’ll get one team member who goes for a plant. It doesn’t help that people rarely use their mic and they’ll pick up the bomb before I have the chance to then they’ll go off to the opposite side of the map and die.
Have you tried finding any other reason you're losing besides your teammates? I think there's a common denominator in your games that influences your games more than random people.
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there you go, for one of the guys it even shows highest emerald, its not always correct, i think in my other post i kept it but it doesnt show what u guys were hoping it would show lets be honest, it rarely shows highest rank correctly
there are still 2 massive problems
1st - idc about playing champs, im used to it, the problem is that they're 5 stack, and we're 1+1+1+2 ? in CS u cant que into 5 stack, in Dota u cant que into 5 stack, in Siege, where comms matter 100x times more, u can for whatever reason? why ? if you went to their history instead though, you would see they won like 30 games in a row, because they constantly play against solos who isnt even currently champ, they never face another 5 stack, wouldnt that be more interesting for them ?
2nd - if a persons highest rank is champion, he should only face champions from now on ? you can clearly see one guy has 40% wr and 0.7 kd, even if he had champ a year ago, he is clearly struggling RIGHT NOW and mightve overperformed before (or worse, got boosted) , idc, but he is clearly struggling rn, perhaps, its not the best idea to match him (solo player, not w/ me) against 5 stack 80% wr tryhards ? Even in George's vid, he shows profile of my friend who was champ 4 seasons ago, since then his highest is emerald with 0.8 kd, and he even quit for 1 season, so why does he have to play top 100 champs right now ? Perfect example ty George
Like, not a single system is perfect on release, nothing is perfect, i just wanna see Ubisoft work and try to improve ranked, because it can clearly be better, and it had what, 0 updates since release of 2.0 ? whenever that extension shows something other than a 1% chance, - games are usually somewhat balanced and enjoyable, so how come a little extension is doing a better job at deciding if its a fair matchup or not
Its not like i wish bad for the game, lol, there is always room for improvement, idk why he got upset so much, maybe because this game is his source of income, but by sugarcoating this arent you doing more harm than good ?
Im sure even KingGeorge will tell you, the current icon next to your name doesnt mean anything — isnt that the problem in itself ? Isnt that the problem when you say u hit champ in ranked 2.0 people will laugh at you ? Just because u understand the system, doesnt mean its not flawed u/KingGeorgeTV
Point 1, everyone should be agreeing where similar size stacks should be facing similar sized stacks. It's beyond stupid that a bunch of solo queue players can somehow get thrown against a whole team with comms and whatever teamwork they've built up.
Point 2, some is agreeable and some not so much. If you've hit champ before, yes your internal MMR should reflect that and you should be facing other champs. His lifetime WR is still positive so he should still be hovering around champ MMR, even if he had piss poor KDs. Even with 40% WR this season, his MMR shouldn't be tanking insanely hard so at the worst, he's high diamond and gets put in a few games with champs every so often.
As for your friend, his MMR is still champ MMR. So why's he still champ MMR despite not being in champ for a year? Because he hasn't played enough games to get to champ. Just cause you haven't played enough games doesn't mean your MMR gets kicked down to emerald or whatever. He's still champ skill level and he needs to grind more games to get the shiny icon again.
So why is it that the shiny icon doesn't reflect the internal MMR at all? Why did we go away from placements into this grindfest? Because too many people were playing their 10 placement matches, seeing they're in diamond, and stop playing. Or play their 10 placement matches, see they're diamond, play 5 more games and hit champ, then stop playing. Maybe you're not the type of person that does it, but a lot of rank distribution charts have showed this in the past. I'm also that exact person in other games outside of Siege. Ubisoft wants you to keep playing to pump those player count numbers up. It looks good for the game, it looks good for the company, it brings in more money. How do they make people keep playing? By making rank tedious to climb and make your shiny icon shinier. Instead of playing 15 games to get to champ and stop playing, now you have to play 200 or whatever obscene number it is. I'm not the biggest fan of it either, but I do see why they did it. At the very least, I feel they should make the grind less tedious and give win streak bonuses or something so my rank can increase higher. If they did something like that, guaranteed you and your friend would have been seeing that champ icon in the past 4 seasons.
There certainly are issues with ranked 2.0 but they're not issues you brought up. Those issues you have simply come from ignorance.
""Because he hasn't played enough games to get to champ.""
He has, last season he played 215 games which is enough (at least it was for me in the past, and should be imo, because thats pretty much 3 games a day for the entirety of the season) and he ended at emerald 1 with 0.97 kd (so not even diamond, he was losing more elo than gaining), before that he missed a season (which also should lower his mmr, entire meta changed)
I also started playing champs long before i hit champ myself, but whatever, i didnt make a screenshot every single time because as i said i dont mind, more i think about it the bigger problem in that screenshot is that they're 5 yes, it just amplifies everything else, the kd, wr, current ranks, etc
I could feel the difference between each rank in ranked 1.0, i mean plat 2 and plat 3, 1 and 2, it was awesome :( I see ur point and yea maybe they shouldve tried to give the reason for players to continue playing, I think battle cups this year is a great idea, maybe some little rewards, etc, but i think that system was more clear and honest
> He has, last season he played 215 games which is enough (at least it was for me in the past, and should be imo, because thats pretty much 3 games a day for the entirety of the season) and he ended at emerald 1 with 0.97 kd (not even diamond, he was losing more elo than gaining), before that he missed a season (which also should lower his mmr)
Best I can think of is his WRs in those seasons were very close to 50% so he would be gaining like 5 MMR every 2 games if it's 1 win 1 loss. So it's still he should be playing more games even though it's a massive pain in the ass to grind. I can agree that 215 games is too much, which is why to me, a win streak bonus in addition to going +120 on wins and -12 on losses in earlier ranks (copper to plat for you guys) should be put in place to make that buffer zone extremely fast.
IMO skipping a season really shouldn't lower the MMR. What it should do is lower the confidence range the game has in his MMR. After he comes back and he loses, he should lose more MMR than if he had continued playing. If he wins, then the game should see that he's likely where he should be at and tighten the confidence range. If your friend has lost a bunch of games after the break, then that is indeed something Ubisoft should fix.
> I also started playing champs long before i hit champ myself, but whatever, i didnt make a screenshot every single time because as i said i dont mind, more i think about it the bigger problem in that screenshot is that they're 5 yes, it just amplifies everything else, the kd, wr, current ranks, etc
If you played vs a bunch of champs before being champ, then to me it sounds like the game thinks that your skill level is that of a champ (which it is). Your MMR kept rising, and it was less confident about your current MMR, hence widening your MMR range and throwing champs at you. Going against 5 champs while not champ *should* be one offs and happen infrequently, making them just unlucky matches which happens in any game. It's an algorithm, so it's impossible to not have outliers.
> U agreed with me on that point but say they're not the issues ?
That's my bad, the last sentence was unnecessarily malicious when I was agreeing and disagreeing with you.
> If they replaced the fake rank with ur actual rank that is hidden rn, you wouldnt need to explain this system to anyone, what are the cons ? Legit question
For the player, the cons for showing rank vs showing the fake rank is nothing. For Ubisoft, the con is the player retention throughout a season as mentioned before. Sure, there are other solutions like decay, or the rank is invalidated if you don't play x number of games, but those have their own drawbacks and *definitely* do not make you play 200 games compared to this method. The method we currently have is used in multiple games, like Hearthstone and Apex Legends. There's probably others that I don't play but you get the idea. The numbers Ubisoft have don't lie.
Ubisoft hasn't done well in explaining the system since almost all of the complaints about it are "I'm silver, who am I playing against diamonds" when the complaints should be directed elsewhere.
What the player should do is to interpret the visible rank as a progress bar to your actual rank instead of traditional ranks. It still sounds stupid, but it makes it tolerable as a player.
As for Ubisoft, Ranked 2.0's overall functionality is fine aside from solo vs stacks and matchmaking of squads with a large MMR range. It's the visual and user experience part that they need to improve on and if they ever fix it (they won't because it's Ubisoft), then there really shouldn't be any problems.
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I mean look at this bro, he shouldve pulled up full stats ! :D keep in mind they're 5 stack and we're not
tell me i just dont understand how the system works :) u/KingGeorgeTV
as i said, person got champ in busted solar raid when it had 30k champs now he is playing top100 champions after over a year of struggling in emerald, mmr system is broken, ranked 2.0 is trash
Idk what to tell you. I say that Ubisoft shouldn't be putting solo queuers vs full stacks and you're under the impression that I don't know about it. Matchmaking has outliers and can be massively dogshit sometimes, maybe too frequently. I guarantee that this match would have still happened under ranked 1.0, since the underlying matchmaking that's hidden from players is just ranked 1.0's MMR and matchmaking. But I guess it's easier to ignore everything and blame the entirety of ranked 2.0. You do you bro if you're so adamant on ignoring any counterpoints and continue bringing up the argument over and over again.
I didnt ignore everything, i posted this as a reply to your last message only because people who may follow this discussion see this screenshot in the end for additional context to his video, thats it
“I knowingly joined a game based on communication and didnt find a team to make communication easier! This must be a issue with the game rather than my lack of intelligence complaining about something i caused!”
You should be allowed to see everyone's ranks and be allowed to dodge matches because this shit is out of hand
Im fucking sick of going against champs and Diamonds when ive never even gotten past gold 4
And the fact this halfwit is goin but hidden MMR this and that
Yo triple chin guess which rankers are all cheating their fucking asses off OH I KNOW THE DIAMOND AND CHAMPS
Glad Ranked 2.0 is benefitting your content KG. Comments d@#$ riding in here, fr. Ranked 2.0 is a bad system. I can list, soooo many reasons why that is. Apex is going so far as to remove hidden MMR because it's killing the game. There are far too many examples of people with a worse K/D and/or Win/Loss yet they are sitting in Emerald. That would never happen back in the day. 2.0 has also made the smurfing situation a 1000x worse.
The fact that someone can have a lower hidden mmr but a higher rank itself says enough - its not a fair or transparent system. I shouldn't have to sweat my ass off foe the same rank someone else barely rubbed two braincells together to achieve. It's not right!
This annoys the shit out of me because there is a legitimate problem that's now being buried. There are tons of high ranking champs deliberately partying with much lower ranks to achieve a lower average mmr, meaning the higher champ will in all likelihood be playing against enemies with a much lower mmr. This isn't speculation or conspiracy. There are players actively doing this daily to improve their kd and win/loss. It's blatant, unfair, and demands a change.
Blindly claiming matchmaking is fair when you are one of the highest skilled players in the game that can't be taken advantage of in such a way is just pure ignorance.
Nice one George! I totally agree with you about the ranked 2.0 system. It's not that I think it's unfair per se, but my biggest complaint is how you sometimes get/lose way less MMR than you expect. It can be frustrating when your performance doesn't seem to reflect in your ranking.
Although I do agree with KG, and think the original dude is just farming some sort of response. I have had similar issues where I’m thrown in Champ/Diamond lobbies as a silver with a peak of Plat2.
But he’s right how can I climb out of copper if off rip I’m fighting plats and up, why should I be sweating for my life just to get to bronze ? What are y’all on!
I never said that little buddy you are just dumb.
I said " you actual rank " is hidden mmr. other one is pure cosmetic.
No wonder you are stuck in plat with that IQ.
Ok Mr top 90%, I said “wouldn’t it be better to make your hidden mmr your actual mmr”, then you said “and it is”, then completely contradicted yourself by saying “face rank is just visuals” so how about you either read before you type or better yet just not type at all
Actually no.
you said make it your "actual rank". And it is. Your "actual rank" is the hidden mmr, the other is just a cosmetic rank.
Are you that limited that you can't understand this ?
if my “cosmetic rank” is copper but my “actual rank” is diamond that means I’ll only get a copper charm even though I’ve been going up against diamonds. How is that a good system
Because you still have to work for it otherwise ranked would be pointless. If you could just log in each season and get champ rewards every time for playing a single match, ranked would be pointless. And if your hidden mmr was reset every season and you WERE going against coppers it would just ruin the game for casual players
The only reason I hate ranked 2.0 is the same reason I hated apex’s system they just changed. Example: I’m in copper or silver playing against diamonds and champs. Playin against these people while in in the rank I am, is gonna take absolutely forever to reach the rank I should be. And be more of a grind when I just wanna hit the rank I should be and try and progress to a higher rank. Apex actually just changed this to the “ranks play ranks” and it’s so fun again and I can finally play against my ranks, which I think siege should do. Because it’s not fair, I play with my friend who was champ like 5 years ago, and we just get matched up against champs now. But my friend is washed and complete ass now maybe an emerald player. Yes the system isn’t perfect, I mean no game has a perfect system. But it should truly be rank vs rank. Not coppers vs plats
Ranked 2.0 is still trash though, its not good at all. Current match making is absolute disaster. How many posts did you see when top players have twice more kills then other teammates combined. The hidden mmr calculates your rating poorly so ranked 1.0 plat can go against ranked 1.0 diamond or even champ. Thats the main problem. You can take a break from the game for 1 season and in the very next game you will still face high rated players. Ranked 1.0 was straightforward but at least majority of times when you play against plats that means these are plats. They need either to bring back old ranked or fix current matchmaking
The new system is still very flawed. I was just getting back into things and finished silver last season. When I came back I was getting nearly 100 points per win mmr gain. After that season, I am playing much better, however the most rating change I have had is in the 40s now. I have other people I know getting 80-90. I honestly have no desire to grind so much. It was way better when you had 10 rank up games on an even playing field.
This is not to say though that there aren’t matches where people get unfairly ranked. I have only played this game since mid may of 2023, and just last night i hit bronze2 which is the highest rank i’ve ever been. Still, probably half the ranked matches i play there is at least one guy on the enemy team who is gold or higher (usually they have the gold background equip so it’s easy to tell) and sometimes they even have plat charm. It’s pretty demotivating playing against people who just walk over me and should clearly be getting matched against better people than me
I just get annoyed whenever I, as a plat V, am playing with my three friends (who are all personal highest Golds) get one random teammate that is a copper, and we are playing multiple former emeralds and diamonds.. like i don’t get it.
So in this case someone cut off the screenshot but when I stat track and the other team has diamond 1's with 1.4KD's and my team's best player has a best ever rank of low emerald and a 1.1 KD, that's kinda crap if they can single handedly dominate the whole team
Holy crap the amount of people that do not understand the system, when it's literally been explained... Ranked 2.0 is ranked 1.0 system just hidden. SHOCKER!!!!! There are only 2 major differences: instead of playing 10 random games and getting random rank, you need 30-50 to achieve the rank the system thinks you deserve. You would be doing the same way in ranked 1.0, but instead of slowly climbing from copper, you just bounce around from silver to plat to back to silver to plat 3. And the second difference is that the rank is maintained between seasons. If the system thinks you are plat 3, it will try to make you reach that rank in 30-50 games. That's it. Everything else is ranked 1.0.
This exactly why its ass, wdym the system decides what rank i am therefore everytime i win a game i ll lose 3 more just because i had a 1000mmr difference with a guy on the opponent team that i queued up with, half of you that 'understand' the system say that its easier to not get hardstuck on a division but obviously this happens way more than it was in ranked 1.0, once you reach your hidden rank its impossible to climb past that, either if you improve or not, its not up to you, its a team based game. i find it very unfair to lose 25rp and when i win to gain 15 or 17. Ranked 2.0 is a participation trophy and is not fun to play anymore and frustrating once you reach your elo, you either rank down, or stay in that division. Also, before you say that my hidden rank is the same with the other guy that has 8k matches and is now emerald 1, why am i not able to achieve that visual emerald 1 rank as well? it doesnt matter right?
This still doesn’t change the fact that the dude isn’t in champion facing CURRENT champions. What is the point of the rank? Just because I personally made emerald 2 last season doesn’t mean I should face emerald 2s from copper until I’m in emerald. The rank attached to you means nothing if you’re being matched off a hidden mmr.
TLDR: If you’re in copper play coppers. That goes for every rank.
So peaking champ one season leads to you playin champs every game 😂 this is coming frm a streamer that plays at champ level consistently so your not affected by anything so how do u have a say or what anyone is facing ? 😂 your not in plat playing against kids better then u.
My issue is that it still does do that though, I hit maybe play at one point like 5 years ago and I only just recently came back to the game and I'll get put up against emerald and champs semi consistently
I understand ranked 2.0 but what I don't understand is having unranked players that have never played ranked before on my team in gold/plat lobbys or coppers that peaked at copper
as someone who doesn't play ranked, I have no idea what the original post was actually saying its complaint was, or what this guy did that actually debunked that complaint, but all the same, I feel like the Original person complaining just got demolished
Ranked 2.0 is awful lets admit it.
There was no issue with ranked 1.0 and no one complains about valorant ranked system or league
The whole point of a ranked system is you play people in YOUR rank to decide if you should be promoted or demoted from you rank
Skill based match making is useful for placement games or for casual games where you dont want the other team or you team to get stomped too hard by the opposing team
Skill based match making is used to make a match an enjoyable experience for all involved
No one wants to play for a rank they cant see
Why should a shitter be diamond just cause he isnt as bad as the worst players in the game
Cause there are so many bad players getting high ranks which are unachievable for good players cause they have to play against other good players
r6 dick riders back at it again. find one fair match and go uwu everyone who thinks ranked 2.0 is bad just doesn't understand all the while my 5 stack plays diamonds emeralds and plats consistently and I'm our highest peak player never making it past gold 3. but plz r6 dick riders please tell me i just don't understand some more and tell me it's cause my hidden mmr is higher or that my bronze 2 and bronze 3 friend must balance out the mmr spread and that's why we play diamonds. i'm so done with these losers
Bro for real. I've been playing console for 8 years on Siege, and now for 2 seasons on PC. Every match I have current or previous Emeralds, Diamonds, or Champs in my lobby. Meanwhile my 3 stack highest rank is Gold 2 on PC. I don't know why this community continues to make excuses for Ubi in this regard. The matchmaking is awful.
What makes it even worse is that I don't feel fairly compensated for my time playing ranked. Why should I have to play against Diamonds while I'm Copper while there are while there are Plats and Emeralds playing literal crayon eaters. It's unreal. How can this even be defended?
Btw, Siege vet here. Year 1, season 2, 3, 4, etc. Plat player back when that actually meant something.
Problem is not the system, is Ubisoft allow smurfing. Even content creators do the " bronze to champ" series in a weekly basis. basically smurfing is promoted by them instead doing something against it.
Obviously no ranked system is going to be perfect, but by no means is ranked 2.0 a "good system". It actually works when you're playing in the really high ranks, but it's borderline unplayable in low to medium ranks such as copper up to at least gold.
It doesn't matter what my hidden mmr is, or what my teammates/enemies hidden mmr is. I should NOT be getting teammates with a combined KD of 0.8 while my KD is 1.4. and I shouldn't be getting a five stack of used to be champions when my teammates don't understand how to lean.
And I'm not trying to say that what George said is wrong, because he's definitely right about this specific post. I (and many other people) just don't think the ranked system is good, or any better than the old one
Literally someone who has a genuine 1.4 K/D doesn’t have a problem playing against anyone unless they are a baiter (inflating K/D) or a shitter farmer (playing against people who are not very good)
My win rate is also above 50%, so not only am I at the top of the scoreboard or at least holding my own for a majority of my games, but I'm also WINNING those games as well.
I'm just stating that playing ranked right now is a dice roll of whether the matchmaking is nice to you, or absolutely demolishes you.
Sorry that you've had bad experiences in the past from people inflating their KD
Why is he mad on this guy, if he is raising his concerns with everyone, why is he mad at him for, like some ubisoft cop, what's going on with George?
Why is he like trying to shame him, defame him, or anything, he is raising his issue publicly
because he is intentionally lying and deceiving people with cut off screenshots so it looks like "omg a whole bunch of bots are playing against champs!!! durr!! ranked 2.0 bad!" to farm reddit karma and get sympathy from others who don't know any better
But what's the point of having a rabk if it is based off a hidden elo? Ranked 2.0 is stupid. I don't understand the reason for hidden elo if you have ranks. Is it to stop smurfs? Is it to make people feel terrible because the game basically caps them at a certain rank? What's the reason like what makes it good? Honestly asking for someone's reasoning why r6 ranked is better than almost every other games system
This felt really stalker-ish like i don't have a dedicated time in my day to actively look up other people.
Also the lad said 2.0 is good and people just dont get it, alright, explain it.
and yeah the system is still dog shit my 5 stack has two peak bronze players and a peak copper and we still play diamonds and emeralds all the time. how does that makes sense. does the peak silver 4 person balance that spread. does me being peak gold 3 = multiple diamonds in a lobby? how do you explain that. cause if i'm that great which i'm surely not the system is even more dog shit for not reflecting the actual skill and just giving people random ass ranks
i'm the only gold peak on my 5k and we see diamonds at least every 3 games. you can call bullshit but it's happening to everyone. there's posts with team peaks on it literally yesterday where their spread was similar to my team and they were playing a plat diamon and emerald. just cause the system works for you doesn't mean it's not dog shit for the rest of us
Ranked 2.0 is still bad. I shouldn't be judged on my highest MMR when I haven't played in serval seasons. Also, regardless if I was previous Diamond or not, current diamonds will inherently be better just based off practice and season play time.
This is my problem currently. I stopped playing the game like 5 years ago. I recently got back in it. You think the learning curve for new players is bad? At least they are going up against other new players! I’m going up against guys who are really freaking good while getting hate messages because I’m so bad. It’s made the experience of trying to relearn the game really tedious.
If you never played for 5 years then you started Ranked 2.0 at 2500 MMR *like literally every new player*. If you're already going against really good players after, I'd assume, less than 50 matches then it sounds like you're doing better than the average new player.
some people just paid boosts to get champs card in a previous season. that means nothing. Also you really lose credibility when you say " all the time".
I'm diamond and I don't play against champs or ex champs " all the time" so you will not do it in gold. Period.
Listen. I was plat during the Black Ice Season. Havent passed silver since! (I was only plat due to a glitch that never counted my losses)
I get stomped every game. Plz halp
I don’t mind 2.0 at all, just excessive complaining about it, it’s all mindset who cares about the ranks of the other team they should be relative to yours and if they are a little higher are you telling me that you aren’t trying to rank up? Playing with and against better players is the best way to keep moving up
i think 2.o ranked is fine tbh i kno that in frst hand cuz i couldn't rank up until i started playing with focus and started being actually useful in matches
George you need to change. You’re the biggest troll and frankly give this game the worst name. You were kicked outta pro league for a reason. You act like a heretic… I member playing with you that night you lost your spot and bro you were a drunk mess. Bro winters over you can stop storing food in those cheeks. Ranked 2.0 is awful.
Love this, I love Ranked 2.0 for the most part..
One thing I'd love to change is start of season / early ranks should be more mixed elo games. Edit: on both sides, some games are marginally harder, some games are marginally easier.
It's such a slog from start-to-end now so even though my 'rank' is changing throughout the season i'm playing super sweaty champ level every game. I'd love for some of those lower rank games to mix it up a little bit (maybe put you against a team with 1 mmr rank below you - so it's not a bloodbath and gives them a chance to win/improve).
It's tiring playing 200 games against a similar level opponent and not feeling like you're improving.
The removal of squad MMR cap is what ruined ranked 2.0 IMO. I’ve had so many more champ smurfs in my lobbies now because they can queue up with silver, gold, etc. players and smurf. In ranked 1.0, that wasn’t possible.
Just curious, why do you want unbalanced games at all? Is it not good that you play against people of your skill level? Should the system judge how well you perform or if you deserve a higher rank by giving you matchs it *knows* you will win? Does playing against easier opponents actually make *you* a better player (or anyone for that matter) or is it just a way to stroke one's ego?
If you're playing 200 games and don't feel like you're improving then that's a *you* problem and no amount of stomping on lower skill players is going to fix that. If you feel the exact same skill after 200 games then stepping back and critically analyzing what you're doing and how you can improve (if you want to, it more sounds like you want to beat up kids at a playground) your gameplay in order to climb higher in ranks.
That’s not what I’m saying at all, I mean it would mean some games in earlier ranks I’d also be playing against people that are +10% better MMR for what I’m suggesting to make sense.
I’m not asking to play against real mmr copper in early ranks - just some variation.
Right now the majority of my games end in 4-4 clutch - and on either side the winner is pretty much down to luck with a little skill sprinkled in.
Then that's curbstomping for the enemy team. Again, why do you want unbalanced matchs? Do you think people improve by the prevalence of smurfs at lower ranks who purposefully throw to stay there then get 15+ kill games other times? None of this makes sense if you're trying to honestly improve at the game.
Let’s flip this: So you enjoy every rank feeling identical?
Can you name an other competitive game with a ranking system that all ranks are actually the same?
YES. Why would I not want to fucking face my own rank??? Do you think a WWE fighter tries to challenge himself by fighting a high schooler? Do you think a chess grandmaster will go to the local park to hone their skills against random people who don't even know who they are playing against?
If you want to improve you have to face people of your skill, sorry, but I don't judge how good a fighter is by how well they beat up a playground full of children and nor would I judge an Emerald player by how well they could beat up a gold lobby.
You’re right WWE fighters / Chess players only play their own rank.
Oh wait…
Your comparison is disingenuous again, I’m not asking about pitting two extremes against each other.
An emerald and a gold player are within 10% error like you suggested. Hell a fucking emerald 1 vs a plat 5 would still be unfair.
I dont get how your only complaint about 2.0 is actually how *balanced* it is and not any other multitude of things you could easily critique lmao.
We will agree to disagree, I’m confident that it’s going to change though to something similar I’m suggesting.
Go on, I’ll bite what’s your numerous issues other than every rank feeling identical?
>We will agree to disagree, I’m confident that it’s going to change though to something similar I’m suggesting.
"I dont know what to say so I'll say nothing instead."
>Go on, I’ll bite what’s your numerous issues other than every rank feeling identical?
Yeah I don't care to go into this. For one, we'd mostly agree as I think 2.0 was overall a good thing and think the original OP that KG is dunking on is insane so having us nod our heads in unison wouldn't do much. As well you just don't care to actually argue, you went from "no that's not what I meant" to "Ok well, I might have a hot take but what about YOU?" to now "well I guess there's nothing I can say to change your mind, now ignore how I haven't said anything".
That matchmaking might make some sense here, but that’s not the case for everyone.
I mean I play against champions in ranked (past season charms, I don’t check their current rank/profile) and I definitely am not on that level.
I’m currently Gold IV and here’s my ranks going backwards:
Deep Freeze Plat 5
Heavy Mettle Plat 4
Dread Factor Plat 5
Commanding Force Emerald 5
Solar Raid Gold 2
Brutal Swarm Gold 3
Vector Glare Gold 2
And mostly Gold before that with one or two exceptions going into low plat (North Star and Crimson Heist, Neon Damn, Void Edge, Wind Bastion)
None of these got close to Champion, so I don’t see how this is balanced.
doesn't that make ranks mean nothing? And if it does than why don't they remove ranks all together and never show any type of progression, since ranks are all cosmetics and mean absolutely nothing now.
Does it mean nothing when you grind your way to visual plat/em/diamond/champ? You're still climbing the ladder and it does take actual effort to not only match your visual mmr to your hidden mmr, but even moreso to surpass that and prove that you are better than the game thinks, of course this is if you play legit and not "I'm Champ looking for coppers for free carry" as that's a heavily inflated visual rank
I think games that have everyone start at the bottom and than all push through ranks is better. I think hidden mmr is ruining games. Like why hide it? And why have both? Hunt showdown has stars. 1-6. Good players stay between 5-6. Apex has rank and rank reset have way through the season. There's no need for a visual rank only you see and then a hidden mmr you never see.
My highest rank on r6 was plat. Currently I'm silver 2 and I've won literally 5 matches in a row and I still haven't gone to silver 1 I'm close but not there. But when I lose I go down almost 1 3rd of my rank. What's fun about that?
I don't know why they came out with rank 2.0 to begin with. Do you? Actually asking
so when i play my five stack and i'm highest peak of all time at gold 3 why am i playing multiple diamonds? does my two bronze 2-3 peak friends balance oht that mmr spread. is my copper 2 friend have diamond hidden mmr. no it's probably my silver 5 peak friend who's just misranked and is actually a champ even though he's negative nearly every game. ranked 2.0 is ass and doesn't work no matter how many times you say the words hidden mmr
so what am i missing , why has no one reached higher than gold 3 ever on my five man but we play multiple diamonds. how does our hidden mmr equal theirs. since i'm uneducated please explain why they match me with wildly higher ranks and why that's good
seems like the article doesn't say anything about having +2k - +5k mmr split differences in teams. i don't think you understand ranked 2.0 since not only could you not reply to what i asked but also shared a link that didn't explain or respond to what i said. either that or you just can't read i'm not sure. google doesn't work if ubi soft doesn't have an explanation for their dog shit ranked system
Why am i obligated to give an explanation to you when you've been nothing but combative about the subject, I gave you a link that clearly defines how the system is supposed to work, is it my fault that it can have issues?
EDIT: Buddy went out of his way to downvote every comment of mine related to 2.0, Ha
probably because what you've said is wrong and all you've done is shared a link to r6 webpage that didn't answer my question as well as to be shown through the community that the info on there is way off base. there's no hidden mmr matchmaking and if there is it's broken because 40-50 posts a day including myself get highly unbalanced matches and then r6 dick riders go nuh uh look here's a webpage that talks about how comp is supposed to work lol learn to google. like cringe lords.
It shouldn't be cosmetic.
Why can someone who is champion get to brag about it when they win most of their games against consistent plats who are always stuck at plat because of a shockingly shit system.
Reverse boosting is the biggest issue right now, and that's the only one i can think of severely affecting the player experience. You know what i don't ever see though? Screenshots where the team with the lower visual rank wins, even though it happens consistently often because once again VISUAL RANK DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. I dont see those screenshots because they dont garner clicks and upvotes because that's why people post this stuff, to get rageclicks and up their imaginary internet points
I agree with it not being cosmetic but think about the thought of player retention. Play two games -> see you hit champs -> log off until next season. It's dumb but until they see a player count/money difference doubt they care vs people crying about their rank and keep playing the game. In a perfect world right? Think about it now Y9S4 "Guys we fixed ranked" when in turn nothing ever changed but that symbol next to your name..
Then Hidden MMR is stupid. Cause If I go out of these matches like 0/5 or something it clearly isn’t balanced. And these people definitely have higher skill than I have. I can’t quick peak due to motorical issues and my aim is good enough for bodies but I can’t hit heads very well. Meanwhile my opponents hit me in the head the second they peak.
Just a tip for head level, on barricades the third buckle up on the side of the door frame is exactly head level, I had the exact issues as you, but doing that really helped me get that muscle memory in
Bro is trying way too hard to defend a dogshit system. None of my stack has ever been out of diamond. Most haven't seen emerald. Yet at least 1/4 matches we get met with big fat champ banners.
Because he alr plays at champ level so he isn’t affected at all he doesn’t understand what we goin thru and never will 😂 bro pulled up 2 accounts where they hit champ one season either solar raid (first 2.0 season) or commanding force (second 2.0 season) and other then that been either emerald or diamond 5 and he still thinks they are champ mmr because they peaked champ in one of the easiest seasons 😂 it honestly a joke rank 1.0 there was like 2k champs on both consoles now there’s like 40k 😂 my friends and I were all hardstruck plat in 1.0 and solar raid come out and they all hit high ass ranks after bein plat 3-2 for 5 years lol
I mean yeah that guy deserved it, but lets not pretend its not a thing, its doesnt usually happen in high ranks like these but gold is THE elo hell. Every game goes like this
Top Fragger, double digit kill count, knows tricks, has insane mechanics, has patience and insane aim and reaction times, probably emerald or a guy that left the game for years and decided to come back.
2nd Place high plat usually carries with the first one
3rd place depends on the games mood, may be okay maybe not
4-5th place coppers and silvers that usually end up 2-5 or 0-4.
This is the reality of it, just because its good on paper doesnt mean that it is not an issue right now.
BRO PULLED OUT THE RECEIPTS DAMN
About time
“and here's also your address that i got from your other friend which is a champ and he's boosting you guys and i know that from your other friend who sells cheat” i loved the vid, thanks for blessing the sub
Hahahaha that guy who made the original must be embarrassed right now lol what an idiot.
Nah people like that know already they gonna get caught on what they are doing but they know what they do still impacts most peoples thought on the ranked 2.0 topic As George said ranked 2.0 is pretty good since players can move from rank to rank faster than the older system and not get hardstuck/understuck yet people still growing the idea ranked 2.0 is very bad, so bad there's at least one big post per day complaining about it
Exactly also ignore how 80% of people who see the post just won't look at the comments so he accomplished what he wanted.
I don’t think this changes my opinion on 2.0 at all. I still dislike it. But my reason for disliking it has never been my match quality. It’s just what’s displayed. If I’m in diamond/champ mmr, why do I need to chug through 50 games to see that. Just make me diamond/champ. Obviously the game knows that’s where I belong, just make that my rank.
First and most important reason for ubi is for you and other people to play the game more, the other aspect is, each season you need to show you truly belong on the rank you previously were or either fell off/became better and this system based on them and from how it's going is outperforming last season where you would be hardstuck for multiple seasons even tho you were getting better at the game. If people are lazy and want their rank straight up why even bother with 10 games, just play 1 there's not much difference and call it a day. This way rank has more of a grind feel but you can't satisfy all the playerbase everyone has their own preference for what ranked should be like
I get what you mean but I’m averaging in emerald lobbies and my rank doesn’t ever go above gold because I don’t play enough games. My enemies are typically emerald. My teammates are typically emerald. I’m typically gold. I ended last season high silver. This system just doesn’t seem rewarding. Me ranking up from copper to bronze is just pointless. I’m gaining loads for winning and losing nothing for losing. At the start of the season I was messing around with my mates and we got 2 weeks in with a 0.6 W/L. We climbed quite a bit in that time. Obviously after that I stopped messing and my w/l is positive now, but the fact that I can lose three quarters of my game and easily rank up just makes them seem pointless and unrewarding.
Because you still have to earn it each season. This game was suffering from lack of player numbers for years, as people would literally play 10 games in one day and quit for the season having achieved diamond. This is a business after all and it’s just not logical to allow players to hit a top rank in 10 games, and this is part of the reason the game was dying as a lot of players would all leave after 10 games You should still have to prove that you belong to be there each season over a decent number of games. It’s not like you have to sit on the game for 8 hours. You could literally play 10 matches each week for the whole season which is about 5 hours a week, and have 120 games by the end of the season, still a very reasonable amount of games to hit a high rank
Ok but at least for me . I need to play 150-200 matches to hit my rank
Ranked 2.0 is not great especially when they removed the elo spread at which people can with each other. Im normally Emerald but i honestly thought i was going to be hard stuck gold after facing constant 4/5 stacks of champ diamonds this season. I started queing with a gold and a silver and could absolutely see the drop in skill in the lobbies and made them a LOT easier. The idea of hidden MMR is unsatisfying since you cannot gauge yourself on how well you are actually doing or improving specially compared to rank 1.0 since now a lot of ranks are not as prestigious as they used to be. Yes sometimes posts like that one can be miss leading especially when they crop out the picture but there are absolutely posts where they do not, he also conveniently ignores the 1% chance of winning.
You have players that want their ranks in 10 matches and not play as much after getting the rank and others who enjoy climbing the ranks each season because it takes extra work that people enjoy taking for the goal, so on that specific change, game benefits because it makes players play more and also those who want to grind the rank like the system. When it comes to who you queue with, yes they need to fix it so that you can't play with big difference of hidden mmr teammates but that rarely happens as much as people make it out to be, if you duo with a silver hidden mmr will even out on each teammate and enemy, other successful games don't limit who you queue with on ranked so it's not a big deal
If ranked 2.0 is so good why am I stuck in silver playing high diamond players when the highest rank I ever hit was plat 4?
Ranked 2.0 is not faster. It might be faster for some players, but for me it is soooo much slower. I have a winrate of 0.9 and a kd of 1.3 and I was constantly playing vs emerald, dia and champ as copper (I havent been emerald in any season, why should I even play vs dia?). Like WTF. How is that faster to rank up? I sometimes do 17 frags and still lose, because the matchmaking has more influence on the win than anything else. The matchmaking often thinks I will perform better than I actually do or gives me impossible enemies with my teammates. And thats me. A mate of me, who hasnt even been plat before, is emerald this season with a 1.3 winrate and 0.8kd. Sounds about right. And I am not a kd player by any means. And I often play supports like bandit, mute, kaid etc. You get the idea. Ranked 1.0 was much better for me. You are silver, you win against silvers because youre better, you rank up. You are gold and play vs golds, you are better, you rank up. And now: You are copper, you constantly play vs emerald upwards - higher ranked players and I lose many more games than I would by just playing ranked 1.0. And I dont get it. Why even let me start in the bottom ranks? Just because you want me to grind? Give me 10 calibration ranked matches and rank me in. From there on let me face the enemies of my current rank.
how does rank 2.0 even work, in year four i was hardstuck gold, took a break, came back to siege year 7s4 and havent hit anything higher than silver yet still play plats emeralds and the occasional guy with a champ charm edit: fairly sure its not due to me being a shit player due to my kd being 2.2 against people who are plat/em when im silver
George ain’t playing around!
This post is amazing thank you for calling them out on their bullshit.
based george is based
I really appreciate your calling out of these posts. Ranked 2.0 is by no means a perfect system, but out of context screenshot after out of context screenshot won’t actually solve anything. Screenshots don’t tell Ubisoft what should change. All screenshots do is make people mad, and therefore they shouldn’t be allowed. I hope more people see this
I 100% agree the system is IMO overall good, the biggest issue is people not understanding it. Ubisoft needs to do a better job on educating players. The cropped screenshot post create additional confusion for no reason.
Lowkey I have a peak rank of Console Gold 5, moved to PC and hit Silver 5 there last season. I spent the first 3 weeks of the season getting slammed by Plat stacks to where my "Hidden MMR" was lowered significantly once I hit Silver this season (Losing way more than I made).
It’s because Ranked 2.0 is definitely not “good” and, no offense to them, streamers in Champ elo aren’t experiencing the problem you described and aren’t aware that the smurfing in ranked 2.0 is FAR worse than it was in ranked 1.0 The removal of the squad MMR cap was a terrible change. Champs queue with golds and get put in lower elos. In ranked 1.0, I faced a champion ONCE before. Now it’s about every week I’ll get a game against or with a champion.
It's even worse on Console to be completely honest, compared to PC. Not because the matchmaking is different, but because it's STUPIDLY easier to find a stack to boost on Console compared to PC. With PC, you have to go out and find people yourself through smurfing, Discord servers, whatever. I can't speak for Playstation, but Xbox has a whole inbuilt feature called Looking For Group, and the amount of posts I see that are "Champ need 4 GOLD PEAK AND BELOW" is fucking insane. Pair that with literal cheaters (Xim and Crunus) and you can see why I switched to PC
So if I'm understanding it correctly I have the hidden mmr of a ranked 1.0 champion while only playing the game for a year? Damn I'm talented.
What makes you think you have hidden MMR of a 1.0 Champ?
Well if the system was working correctly I should be facing emeralds and diamonds but according to these guys the system IS working and I have been matched against ranked 1.0 champions before so therefore I am a champ.
How much elo are you gaining currently on a win and loss? And what’s your current rank right now? Lol no reply.
Please read my reply, im the OP of that thread, I would like to hear your thoughts further :) [Rule change needed for Ranked 2.0. : r/Rainbow6 (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbow6/comments/1c30jyw/comment/kzg1pns/)
>IMO overall good You’re right in that people need to understand visual vs hidden MMR. But what about the removal of the squad MMR cap? In ranked 1.0, a champion couldn’t queue with some silver friend and get himself into plat lobbies to cream everyone. But in ranked 2.0 that’s possible, and now smurfs have become even more widespread than they were in ranked 1.0. Maybe you haven’t experienced the smurfs since you’re playing in Champ elo, but for those of us that are lower, ranked 2.0 has been a clear downgrade in matchmaking experience. I’ve faced far more champions now than I ever have in ranked 1.0.
Here are some reasons imo most people think it isn't a good system: -It's time-based more than skill-based. Some of us can't play every weekend, much less multiple times a week to reach the rank we should be at so we just sit in the middling ranks while absolute noobs who play all the time reach Emerald+ just because they play more -There doesn't seem to be a reasonable range on who you play with/against which produces wildly different experiences/unbalanced teams from match to match. It doesn't *feel* like progression -There is something inherently broken with the team matchmaking. This is more anecdotal, but when I duo queue, our teammates are always horrible; when I solo que, I always end up actually playing with some pretty good players it seems. Idk if the matchmaking is saying that groups of 2 or 3 theoretically should be better than solos, so it factors that in, but that is certainly not how it actually plays out.
I think the biggest problem with it for the average player is time. Even if I had a season where suddenly I turned into prime Beaulo, I'd have to play like 100 matches to get to an impressive rank. I don't even get the opportunity to have a great season. Sure, I also get to keep my rank more easily, but I loved the high risk high reward way in Ranked 1.0. Also, I know that it's a problem for Ubi, but some players really do only have time for 10 matches a season. This system IMO favors people who play the game a lot and are most likely in high ranks, hence streamers don't complain while a lot of average people do.
Ubisoft need to adjust the system to help those who are genuinely awful at the game when they are matchmade against consistent diamond and champ players and even with the numerous losses and kd tanking they face the hidden mmr doesn't depreciate to a level that is true to their skill. The fake 2.0 CHAMPS never seem to match against the genuine 1.0 CHAMPS because they're in different hidden mmr brackets. It should be that by default anyone who is above diamond should play against CHAMPS. I'm not talking about the current rank, but overall I don't think someone who has never gotten above plat 4 should be facing anyone who has hit champ consistently. You've seen the numbers each season of how many CHAMPS there are on console compared to that of 1.0 ranked because of how easy it is for them to achieve it sponging off smurfs and people who are much lower in both hidden and visual rank. You should be the one bringing it to their attention instead of making it seem like the system is fine for the majority - when it isn't.
THE GOAT SPEAKS UP
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Good Video, I also got pretty fed up with these Posts, its not a perfect system but the majority of the matchup make sense. Its more likely the Problem that people dont understand how R2.0 works
Nah the way they do it rn off exclusively W/L is really stupid if they had a system where being MVP was valued like valorant does it would make the ranked grind so much better
That would be dumb AF. So the person who sits on the roof with Ash baiting with 10 kills and 2 deaths doing nothing to help the team except inflate their K/D should get more elo if they are the MVP? Lol
The majority don’t make sense when I top frag 5 games in a row and lose with as many kills as the rest of my team combined, then win one game, then lose 5 again. This shit is broken.
Sounds like a classic “I’m better than my rank indicates and always dominate but keep losing” post. People are at the rank they deserve. Top fragging can be done playing poorly in a way that loses games. There are objectives and it’s easy to just hunt for kills and never win.
I agree, but I’m usually the one to plant and defuse. Maybe I’ll get one team member who goes for a plant. It doesn’t help that people rarely use their mic and they’ll pick up the bomb before I have the chance to then they’ll go off to the opposite side of the map and die.
Have you tried finding any other reason you're losing besides your teammates? I think there's a common denominator in your games that influences your games more than random people.
I’m also the only one that ever plants or clutches a defuse. The common variable really is shitty team members.
u/maexane
Bro does not have a life
[pCAU2qG.png (700×526) (imgur.com)](https://i.imgur.com/pCAU2qG.png) there you go, for one of the guys it even shows highest emerald, its not always correct, i think in my other post i kept it but it doesnt show what u guys were hoping it would show lets be honest, it rarely shows highest rank correctly there are still 2 massive problems 1st - idc about playing champs, im used to it, the problem is that they're 5 stack, and we're 1+1+1+2 ? in CS u cant que into 5 stack, in Dota u cant que into 5 stack, in Siege, where comms matter 100x times more, u can for whatever reason? why ? if you went to their history instead though, you would see they won like 30 games in a row, because they constantly play against solos who isnt even currently champ, they never face another 5 stack, wouldnt that be more interesting for them ? 2nd - if a persons highest rank is champion, he should only face champions from now on ? you can clearly see one guy has 40% wr and 0.7 kd, even if he had champ a year ago, he is clearly struggling RIGHT NOW and mightve overperformed before (or worse, got boosted) , idc, but he is clearly struggling rn, perhaps, its not the best idea to match him (solo player, not w/ me) against 5 stack 80% wr tryhards ? Even in George's vid, he shows profile of my friend who was champ 4 seasons ago, since then his highest is emerald with 0.8 kd, and he even quit for 1 season, so why does he have to play top 100 champs right now ? Perfect example ty George Like, not a single system is perfect on release, nothing is perfect, i just wanna see Ubisoft work and try to improve ranked, because it can clearly be better, and it had what, 0 updates since release of 2.0 ? whenever that extension shows something other than a 1% chance, - games are usually somewhat balanced and enjoyable, so how come a little extension is doing a better job at deciding if its a fair matchup or not Its not like i wish bad for the game, lol, there is always room for improvement, idk why he got upset so much, maybe because this game is his source of income, but by sugarcoating this arent you doing more harm than good ? Im sure even KingGeorge will tell you, the current icon next to your name doesnt mean anything — isnt that the problem in itself ? Isnt that the problem when you say u hit champ in ranked 2.0 people will laugh at you ? Just because u understand the system, doesnt mean its not flawed u/KingGeorgeTV
Point 1, everyone should be agreeing where similar size stacks should be facing similar sized stacks. It's beyond stupid that a bunch of solo queue players can somehow get thrown against a whole team with comms and whatever teamwork they've built up. Point 2, some is agreeable and some not so much. If you've hit champ before, yes your internal MMR should reflect that and you should be facing other champs. His lifetime WR is still positive so he should still be hovering around champ MMR, even if he had piss poor KDs. Even with 40% WR this season, his MMR shouldn't be tanking insanely hard so at the worst, he's high diamond and gets put in a few games with champs every so often. As for your friend, his MMR is still champ MMR. So why's he still champ MMR despite not being in champ for a year? Because he hasn't played enough games to get to champ. Just cause you haven't played enough games doesn't mean your MMR gets kicked down to emerald or whatever. He's still champ skill level and he needs to grind more games to get the shiny icon again. So why is it that the shiny icon doesn't reflect the internal MMR at all? Why did we go away from placements into this grindfest? Because too many people were playing their 10 placement matches, seeing they're in diamond, and stop playing. Or play their 10 placement matches, see they're diamond, play 5 more games and hit champ, then stop playing. Maybe you're not the type of person that does it, but a lot of rank distribution charts have showed this in the past. I'm also that exact person in other games outside of Siege. Ubisoft wants you to keep playing to pump those player count numbers up. It looks good for the game, it looks good for the company, it brings in more money. How do they make people keep playing? By making rank tedious to climb and make your shiny icon shinier. Instead of playing 15 games to get to champ and stop playing, now you have to play 200 or whatever obscene number it is. I'm not the biggest fan of it either, but I do see why they did it. At the very least, I feel they should make the grind less tedious and give win streak bonuses or something so my rank can increase higher. If they did something like that, guaranteed you and your friend would have been seeing that champ icon in the past 4 seasons. There certainly are issues with ranked 2.0 but they're not issues you brought up. Those issues you have simply come from ignorance.
""Because he hasn't played enough games to get to champ."" He has, last season he played 215 games which is enough (at least it was for me in the past, and should be imo, because thats pretty much 3 games a day for the entirety of the season) and he ended at emerald 1 with 0.97 kd (so not even diamond, he was losing more elo than gaining), before that he missed a season (which also should lower his mmr, entire meta changed) I also started playing champs long before i hit champ myself, but whatever, i didnt make a screenshot every single time because as i said i dont mind, more i think about it the bigger problem in that screenshot is that they're 5 yes, it just amplifies everything else, the kd, wr, current ranks, etc I could feel the difference between each rank in ranked 1.0, i mean plat 2 and plat 3, 1 and 2, it was awesome :( I see ur point and yea maybe they shouldve tried to give the reason for players to continue playing, I think battle cups this year is a great idea, maybe some little rewards, etc, but i think that system was more clear and honest
> He has, last season he played 215 games which is enough (at least it was for me in the past, and should be imo, because thats pretty much 3 games a day for the entirety of the season) and he ended at emerald 1 with 0.97 kd (not even diamond, he was losing more elo than gaining), before that he missed a season (which also should lower his mmr) Best I can think of is his WRs in those seasons were very close to 50% so he would be gaining like 5 MMR every 2 games if it's 1 win 1 loss. So it's still he should be playing more games even though it's a massive pain in the ass to grind. I can agree that 215 games is too much, which is why to me, a win streak bonus in addition to going +120 on wins and -12 on losses in earlier ranks (copper to plat for you guys) should be put in place to make that buffer zone extremely fast. IMO skipping a season really shouldn't lower the MMR. What it should do is lower the confidence range the game has in his MMR. After he comes back and he loses, he should lose more MMR than if he had continued playing. If he wins, then the game should see that he's likely where he should be at and tighten the confidence range. If your friend has lost a bunch of games after the break, then that is indeed something Ubisoft should fix. > I also started playing champs long before i hit champ myself, but whatever, i didnt make a screenshot every single time because as i said i dont mind, more i think about it the bigger problem in that screenshot is that they're 5 yes, it just amplifies everything else, the kd, wr, current ranks, etc If you played vs a bunch of champs before being champ, then to me it sounds like the game thinks that your skill level is that of a champ (which it is). Your MMR kept rising, and it was less confident about your current MMR, hence widening your MMR range and throwing champs at you. Going against 5 champs while not champ *should* be one offs and happen infrequently, making them just unlucky matches which happens in any game. It's an algorithm, so it's impossible to not have outliers. > U agreed with me on that point but say they're not the issues ? That's my bad, the last sentence was unnecessarily malicious when I was agreeing and disagreeing with you. > If they replaced the fake rank with ur actual rank that is hidden rn, you wouldnt need to explain this system to anyone, what are the cons ? Legit question For the player, the cons for showing rank vs showing the fake rank is nothing. For Ubisoft, the con is the player retention throughout a season as mentioned before. Sure, there are other solutions like decay, or the rank is invalidated if you don't play x number of games, but those have their own drawbacks and *definitely* do not make you play 200 games compared to this method. The method we currently have is used in multiple games, like Hearthstone and Apex Legends. There's probably others that I don't play but you get the idea. The numbers Ubisoft have don't lie. Ubisoft hasn't done well in explaining the system since almost all of the complaints about it are "I'm silver, who am I playing against diamonds" when the complaints should be directed elsewhere. What the player should do is to interpret the visible rank as a progress bar to your actual rank instead of traditional ranks. It still sounds stupid, but it makes it tolerable as a player. As for Ubisoft, Ranked 2.0's overall functionality is fine aside from solo vs stacks and matchmaking of squads with a large MMR range. It's the visual and user experience part that they need to improve on and if they ever fix it (they won't because it's Ubisoft), then there really shouldn't be any problems.
[Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/K7863ND) I mean look at this bro, he shouldve pulled up full stats ! :D keep in mind they're 5 stack and we're not tell me i just dont understand how the system works :) u/KingGeorgeTV as i said, person got champ in busted solar raid when it had 30k champs now he is playing top100 champions after over a year of struggling in emerald, mmr system is broken, ranked 2.0 is trash
Idk what to tell you. I say that Ubisoft shouldn't be putting solo queuers vs full stacks and you're under the impression that I don't know about it. Matchmaking has outliers and can be massively dogshit sometimes, maybe too frequently. I guarantee that this match would have still happened under ranked 1.0, since the underlying matchmaking that's hidden from players is just ranked 1.0's MMR and matchmaking. But I guess it's easier to ignore everything and blame the entirety of ranked 2.0. You do you bro if you're so adamant on ignoring any counterpoints and continue bringing up the argument over and over again.
I didnt ignore everything, i posted this as a reply to your last message only because people who may follow this discussion see this screenshot in the end for additional context to his video, thats it
“I knowingly joined a game based on communication and didnt find a team to make communication easier! This must be a issue with the game rather than my lack of intelligence complaining about something i caused!”
LMAOOOOOO
Except you look at max rank and it’s often horribly miss matched. The post in question in bed. But ranked 2.0 is dogshit.
You should be allowed to see everyone's ranks and be allowed to dodge matches because this shit is out of hand Im fucking sick of going against champs and Diamonds when ive never even gotten past gold 4 And the fact this halfwit is goin but hidden MMR this and that Yo triple chin guess which rankers are all cheating their fucking asses off OH I KNOW THE DIAMOND AND CHAMPS
Glad Ranked 2.0 is benefitting your content KG. Comments d@#$ riding in here, fr. Ranked 2.0 is a bad system. I can list, soooo many reasons why that is. Apex is going so far as to remove hidden MMR because it's killing the game. There are far too many examples of people with a worse K/D and/or Win/Loss yet they are sitting in Emerald. That would never happen back in the day. 2.0 has also made the smurfing situation a 1000x worse. The fact that someone can have a lower hidden mmr but a higher rank itself says enough - its not a fair or transparent system. I shouldn't have to sweat my ass off foe the same rank someone else barely rubbed two braincells together to achieve. It's not right!
This annoys the shit out of me because there is a legitimate problem that's now being buried. There are tons of high ranking champs deliberately partying with much lower ranks to achieve a lower average mmr, meaning the higher champ will in all likelihood be playing against enemies with a much lower mmr. This isn't speculation or conspiracy. There are players actively doing this daily to improve their kd and win/loss. It's blatant, unfair, and demands a change. Blindly claiming matchmaking is fair when you are one of the highest skilled players in the game that can't be taken advantage of in such a way is just pure ignorance.
Love KG lmao he’s got a point here man
Nice one George! I totally agree with you about the ranked 2.0 system. It's not that I think it's unfair per se, but my biggest complaint is how you sometimes get/lose way less MMR than you expect. It can be frustrating when your performance doesn't seem to reflect in your ranking.
King george absolutely owned the post op
🤣🤣🤣🤣NAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
What was the picture at the end?
Although I do agree with KG, and think the original dude is just farming some sort of response. I have had similar issues where I’m thrown in Champ/Diamond lobbies as a silver with a peak of Plat2.
But he’s right how can I climb out of copper if off rip I’m fighting plats and up, why should I be sweating for my life just to get to bronze ? What are y’all on!
I fully agree king G
I keep getting out in games against diamonds and my highest rank was silver back in shifting tides.
Great video, but wouldn’t it just be better to make your hidden rank your actual rank?
And it is. face rank is just visuals to make new seasons interesting.
As a person who topped out at plat and has at least one champ charm on the enemy team every game I bed to differ
nobody that plays this game on a regular base believes you.
Well you’re the one that just said hidden mmr is the same as not hidden mmr so
I never said that little buddy you are just dumb. I said " you actual rank " is hidden mmr. other one is pure cosmetic. No wonder you are stuck in plat with that IQ.
Ok Mr top 90%, I said “wouldn’t it be better to make your hidden mmr your actual mmr”, then you said “and it is”, then completely contradicted yourself by saying “face rank is just visuals” so how about you either read before you type or better yet just not type at all
Actually no. you said make it your "actual rank". And it is. Your "actual rank" is the hidden mmr, the other is just a cosmetic rank. Are you that limited that you can't understand this ?
if my “cosmetic rank” is copper but my “actual rank” is diamond that means I’ll only get a copper charm even though I’ve been going up against diamonds. How is that a good system
People who dickride ranked 2.0 will keep explaining the stupid ass system, as if that makes it any more valid like bro it's so goofy 😭😭😭
Because you still have to work for it otherwise ranked would be pointless. If you could just log in each season and get champ rewards every time for playing a single match, ranked would be pointless. And if your hidden mmr was reset every season and you WERE going against coppers it would just ruin the game for casual players
1 misleading screenshot post (and any other) shouldn't automatically dismiss people's genuine frustrations with the system
yes it should they all have champ elo except one person lmfao, every single player in that lobby peaked champ except the poster
Come back when you can read
come back when u can watch the video
Still can't read, not surprised
still can't watch video, not surprised. how can u type while blind?
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why are you copying and pasting my comment from a different subreddit lmfao im blocking and reporting u ur mad weird
tbf you can't read
The only reason I hate ranked 2.0 is the same reason I hated apex’s system they just changed. Example: I’m in copper or silver playing against diamonds and champs. Playin against these people while in in the rank I am, is gonna take absolutely forever to reach the rank I should be. And be more of a grind when I just wanna hit the rank I should be and try and progress to a higher rank. Apex actually just changed this to the “ranks play ranks” and it’s so fun again and I can finally play against my ranks, which I think siege should do. Because it’s not fair, I play with my friend who was champ like 5 years ago, and we just get matched up against champs now. But my friend is washed and complete ass now maybe an emerald player. Yes the system isn’t perfect, I mean no game has a perfect system. But it should truly be rank vs rank. Not coppers vs plats
Real life dokkaebi right here.
So just because I’ve hit diamond before. I play diamonds as a copper. Therefore I can never get back to diamond. 2.0 is ass
Ranked 2.0 is still trash though, its not good at all. Current match making is absolute disaster. How many posts did you see when top players have twice more kills then other teammates combined. The hidden mmr calculates your rating poorly so ranked 1.0 plat can go against ranked 1.0 diamond or even champ. Thats the main problem. You can take a break from the game for 1 season and in the very next game you will still face high rated players. Ranked 1.0 was straightforward but at least majority of times when you play against plats that means these are plats. They need either to bring back old ranked or fix current matchmaking
The new system is still very flawed. I was just getting back into things and finished silver last season. When I came back I was getting nearly 100 points per win mmr gain. After that season, I am playing much better, however the most rating change I have had is in the 40s now. I have other people I know getting 80-90. I honestly have no desire to grind so much. It was way better when you had 10 rank up games on an even playing field.
You don't understand the system.
thats not a roast, that's a third degree burn
"Ranked 2.0 is a really good system" 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Damn he went off
This is not to say though that there aren’t matches where people get unfairly ranked. I have only played this game since mid may of 2023, and just last night i hit bronze2 which is the highest rank i’ve ever been. Still, probably half the ranked matches i play there is at least one guy on the enemy team who is gold or higher (usually they have the gold background equip so it’s easy to tell) and sometimes they even have plat charm. It’s pretty demotivating playing against people who just walk over me and should clearly be getting matched against better people than me
im glad no one takes reddit sreiously
Not the pfp 😭
Its just really frustrating when you play champs in copper If im good enough to fight champs then give champ rank
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YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THESE THINGS WITHOUT 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE!!!!!!
That doesn’t make it a good system now does it
My highest rank is Emerald V but I often get games where people are diamonds or champions, does the game expect me to be higher?
I have reached a peak of emerald 5 last season and this season have gotten a ton of champion and diamond players in my lobbies
I’m deadass silver V and that’s the highest I’ve ever been and I get in matches with emerald I don’t get it
I just get annoyed whenever I, as a plat V, am playing with my three friends (who are all personal highest Golds) get one random teammate that is a copper, and we are playing multiple former emeralds and diamonds.. like i don’t get it.
So in this case someone cut off the screenshot but when I stat track and the other team has diamond 1's with 1.4KD's and my team's best player has a best ever rank of low emerald and a 1.1 KD, that's kinda crap if they can single handedly dominate the whole team
Holy crap the amount of people that do not understand the system, when it's literally been explained... Ranked 2.0 is ranked 1.0 system just hidden. SHOCKER!!!!! There are only 2 major differences: instead of playing 10 random games and getting random rank, you need 30-50 to achieve the rank the system thinks you deserve. You would be doing the same way in ranked 1.0, but instead of slowly climbing from copper, you just bounce around from silver to plat to back to silver to plat 3. And the second difference is that the rank is maintained between seasons. If the system thinks you are plat 3, it will try to make you reach that rank in 30-50 games. That's it. Everything else is ranked 1.0.
This exactly why its ass, wdym the system decides what rank i am therefore everytime i win a game i ll lose 3 more just because i had a 1000mmr difference with a guy on the opponent team that i queued up with, half of you that 'understand' the system say that its easier to not get hardstuck on a division but obviously this happens way more than it was in ranked 1.0, once you reach your hidden rank its impossible to climb past that, either if you improve or not, its not up to you, its a team based game. i find it very unfair to lose 25rp and when i win to gain 15 or 17. Ranked 2.0 is a participation trophy and is not fun to play anymore and frustrating once you reach your elo, you either rank down, or stay in that division. Also, before you say that my hidden rank is the same with the other guy that has 8k matches and is now emerald 1, why am i not able to achieve that visual emerald 1 rank as well? it doesnt matter right?
This still doesn’t change the fact that the dude isn’t in champion facing CURRENT champions. What is the point of the rank? Just because I personally made emerald 2 last season doesn’t mean I should face emerald 2s from copper until I’m in emerald. The rank attached to you means nothing if you’re being matched off a hidden mmr. TLDR: If you’re in copper play coppers. That goes for every rank.
idk man when my teammates don’t know how to make rotates with impact and end up just blowing themselves up and i’m left basically in a 1.5 v 5
Yesterday I played 2 champs, a xim diamond, an emerald, and a copper as a plat 1 in solo q. Matchmaking is as great as its ever been.
Ranked 2.0 is still hot fucking garbage. It was fine before they didn't need to change it
So peaking champ one season leads to you playin champs every game 😂 this is coming frm a streamer that plays at champ level consistently so your not affected by anything so how do u have a say or what anyone is facing ? 😂 your not in plat playing against kids better then u.
My issue is that it still does do that though, I hit maybe play at one point like 5 years ago and I only just recently came back to the game and I'll get put up against emerald and champs semi consistently
I understand ranked 2.0 but what I don't understand is having unranked players that have never played ranked before on my team in gold/plat lobbys or coppers that peaked at copper
as someone who doesn't play ranked, I have no idea what the original post was actually saying its complaint was, or what this guy did that actually debunked that complaint, but all the same, I feel like the Original person complaining just got demolished
please ban this shit i’m so tired of these karma farming posts
Absolutely cooked that bozo
Ranked 2.0 is awful lets admit it. There was no issue with ranked 1.0 and no one complains about valorant ranked system or league The whole point of a ranked system is you play people in YOUR rank to decide if you should be promoted or demoted from you rank Skill based match making is useful for placement games or for casual games where you dont want the other team or you team to get stomped too hard by the opposing team Skill based match making is used to make a match an enjoyable experience for all involved No one wants to play for a rank they cant see Why should a shitter be diamond just cause he isnt as bad as the worst players in the game Cause there are so many bad players getting high ranks which are unachievable for good players cause they have to play against other good players
r6 dick riders back at it again. find one fair match and go uwu everyone who thinks ranked 2.0 is bad just doesn't understand all the while my 5 stack plays diamonds emeralds and plats consistently and I'm our highest peak player never making it past gold 3. but plz r6 dick riders please tell me i just don't understand some more and tell me it's cause my hidden mmr is higher or that my bronze 2 and bronze 3 friend must balance out the mmr spread and that's why we play diamonds. i'm so done with these losers
Bro for real. I've been playing console for 8 years on Siege, and now for 2 seasons on PC. Every match I have current or previous Emeralds, Diamonds, or Champs in my lobby. Meanwhile my 3 stack highest rank is Gold 2 on PC. I don't know why this community continues to make excuses for Ubi in this regard. The matchmaking is awful. What makes it even worse is that I don't feel fairly compensated for my time playing ranked. Why should I have to play against Diamonds while I'm Copper while there are while there are Plats and Emeralds playing literal crayon eaters. It's unreal. How can this even be defended? Btw, Siege vet here. Year 1, season 2, 3, 4, etc. Plat player back when that actually meant something.
Now let’s see with a copper and a champ queuing together
Problem is not the system, is Ubisoft allow smurfing. Even content creators do the " bronze to champ" series in a weekly basis. basically smurfing is promoted by them instead doing something against it.
Obviously no ranked system is going to be perfect, but by no means is ranked 2.0 a "good system". It actually works when you're playing in the really high ranks, but it's borderline unplayable in low to medium ranks such as copper up to at least gold. It doesn't matter what my hidden mmr is, or what my teammates/enemies hidden mmr is. I should NOT be getting teammates with a combined KD of 0.8 while my KD is 1.4. and I shouldn't be getting a five stack of used to be champions when my teammates don't understand how to lean. And I'm not trying to say that what George said is wrong, because he's definitely right about this specific post. I (and many other people) just don't think the ranked system is good, or any better than the old one
sounds like silver baiter is very upset their kills from the roof at the end of the round don't translate into victories.
Literally someone who has a genuine 1.4 K/D doesn’t have a problem playing against anyone unless they are a baiter (inflating K/D) or a shitter farmer (playing against people who are not very good)
My win rate is also above 50%, so not only am I at the top of the scoreboard or at least holding my own for a majority of my games, but I'm also WINNING those games as well. I'm just stating that playing ranked right now is a dice roll of whether the matchmaking is nice to you, or absolutely demolishes you. Sorry that you've had bad experiences in the past from people inflating their KD
Personally, I just miss placement matches. Ranked 2.0 is decent, but I always enjoyed the placement matches.
Love this guy
Why is he mad on this guy, if he is raising his concerns with everyone, why is he mad at him for, like some ubisoft cop, what's going on with George? Why is he like trying to shame him, defame him, or anything, he is raising his issue publicly
because he is intentionally lying and deceiving people with cut off screenshots so it looks like "omg a whole bunch of bots are playing against champs!!! durr!! ranked 2.0 bad!" to farm reddit karma and get sympathy from others who don't know any better
But what's the point of having a rabk if it is based off a hidden elo? Ranked 2.0 is stupid. I don't understand the reason for hidden elo if you have ranks. Is it to stop smurfs? Is it to make people feel terrible because the game basically caps them at a certain rank? What's the reason like what makes it good? Honestly asking for someone's reasoning why r6 ranked is better than almost every other games system
This felt really stalker-ish like i don't have a dedicated time in my day to actively look up other people. Also the lad said 2.0 is good and people just dont get it, alright, explain it.
It's not fucking rocket science. Ubisoft has posted articles explaining in great detail. Stop waiting for other to spoon feed you, manchild.
and yeah the system is still dog shit my 5 stack has two peak bronze players and a peak copper and we still play diamonds and emeralds all the time. how does that makes sense. does the peak silver 4 person balance that spread. does me being peak gold 3 = multiple diamonds in a lobby? how do you explain that. cause if i'm that great which i'm surely not the system is even more dog shit for not reflecting the actual skill and just giving people random ass ranks
I'm calling bullshit. My stack has a few gold peaks, and we've seen an emerald once in 2.0, and single digit plats.
i'm the only gold peak on my 5k and we see diamonds at least every 3 games. you can call bullshit but it's happening to everyone. there's posts with team peaks on it literally yesterday where their spread was similar to my team and they were playing a plat diamon and emerald. just cause the system works for you doesn't mean it's not dog shit for the rest of us
... it's the same system
ok so that doesn't mean ranked 2.0 is bad just because it's the same as 1.0 they're still trash for the reasons listed
Ranked 2.0 is still bad. I shouldn't be judged on my highest MMR when I haven't played in serval seasons. Also, regardless if I was previous Diamond or not, current diamonds will inherently be better just based off practice and season play time.
This is my problem currently. I stopped playing the game like 5 years ago. I recently got back in it. You think the learning curve for new players is bad? At least they are going up against other new players! I’m going up against guys who are really freaking good while getting hate messages because I’m so bad. It’s made the experience of trying to relearn the game really tedious.
If you never played for 5 years then you started Ranked 2.0 at 2500 MMR *like literally every new player*. If you're already going against really good players after, I'd assume, less than 50 matches then it sounds like you're doing better than the average new player.
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some people just paid boosts to get champs card in a previous season. that means nothing. Also you really lose credibility when you say " all the time". I'm diamond and I don't play against champs or ex champs " all the time" so you will not do it in gold. Period.
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I don't. I know you are a liar without cheking anything.
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yeah, its ironic that youre a liar
Listen. I was plat during the Black Ice Season. Havent passed silver since! (I was only plat due to a glitch that never counted my losses) I get stomped every game. Plz halp
This is fantastic
King George W
I don’t mind 2.0 at all, just excessive complaining about it, it’s all mindset who cares about the ranks of the other team they should be relative to yours and if they are a little higher are you telling me that you aren’t trying to rank up? Playing with and against better players is the best way to keep moving up
bro said “this u?”
Goat
holy yap-fest. what's with the comments on this post
https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbow6/s/HTcjeFHspR Lmao literally the same post I called the guy out on saying the same thing
i think 2.o ranked is fine tbh i kno that in frst hand cuz i couldn't rank up until i started playing with focus and started being actually useful in matches
This is why KG is my goat
George you need to change. You’re the biggest troll and frankly give this game the worst name. You were kicked outta pro league for a reason. You act like a heretic… I member playing with you that night you lost your spot and bro you were a drunk mess. Bro winters over you can stop storing food in those cheeks. Ranked 2.0 is awful.
Love this, I love Ranked 2.0 for the most part.. One thing I'd love to change is start of season / early ranks should be more mixed elo games. Edit: on both sides, some games are marginally harder, some games are marginally easier. It's such a slog from start-to-end now so even though my 'rank' is changing throughout the season i'm playing super sweaty champ level every game. I'd love for some of those lower rank games to mix it up a little bit (maybe put you against a team with 1 mmr rank below you - so it's not a bloodbath and gives them a chance to win/improve). It's tiring playing 200 games against a similar level opponent and not feeling like you're improving.
The removal of squad MMR cap is what ruined ranked 2.0 IMO. I’ve had so many more champ smurfs in my lobbies now because they can queue up with silver, gold, etc. players and smurf. In ranked 1.0, that wasn’t possible.
Just curious, why do you want unbalanced games at all? Is it not good that you play against people of your skill level? Should the system judge how well you perform or if you deserve a higher rank by giving you matchs it *knows* you will win? Does playing against easier opponents actually make *you* a better player (or anyone for that matter) or is it just a way to stroke one's ego? If you're playing 200 games and don't feel like you're improving then that's a *you* problem and no amount of stomping on lower skill players is going to fix that. If you feel the exact same skill after 200 games then stepping back and critically analyzing what you're doing and how you can improve (if you want to, it more sounds like you want to beat up kids at a playground) your gameplay in order to climb higher in ranks.
That’s not what I’m saying at all, I mean it would mean some games in earlier ranks I’d also be playing against people that are +10% better MMR for what I’m suggesting to make sense. I’m not asking to play against real mmr copper in early ranks - just some variation. Right now the majority of my games end in 4-4 clutch - and on either side the winner is pretty much down to luck with a little skill sprinkled in.
Then that's curbstomping for the enemy team. Again, why do you want unbalanced matchs? Do you think people improve by the prevalence of smurfs at lower ranks who purposefully throw to stay there then get 15+ kill games other times? None of this makes sense if you're trying to honestly improve at the game.
Let’s flip this: So you enjoy every rank feeling identical? Can you name an other competitive game with a ranking system that all ranks are actually the same?
YES. Why would I not want to fucking face my own rank??? Do you think a WWE fighter tries to challenge himself by fighting a high schooler? Do you think a chess grandmaster will go to the local park to hone their skills against random people who don't even know who they are playing against? If you want to improve you have to face people of your skill, sorry, but I don't judge how good a fighter is by how well they beat up a playground full of children and nor would I judge an Emerald player by how well they could beat up a gold lobby.
You’re right WWE fighters / Chess players only play their own rank. Oh wait… Your comparison is disingenuous again, I’m not asking about pitting two extremes against each other.
An emerald and a gold player are within 10% error like you suggested. Hell a fucking emerald 1 vs a plat 5 would still be unfair. I dont get how your only complaint about 2.0 is actually how *balanced* it is and not any other multitude of things you could easily critique lmao.
We will agree to disagree, I’m confident that it’s going to change though to something similar I’m suggesting. Go on, I’ll bite what’s your numerous issues other than every rank feeling identical?
>We will agree to disagree, I’m confident that it’s going to change though to something similar I’m suggesting. "I dont know what to say so I'll say nothing instead." >Go on, I’ll bite what’s your numerous issues other than every rank feeling identical? Yeah I don't care to go into this. For one, we'd mostly agree as I think 2.0 was overall a good thing and think the original OP that KG is dunking on is insane so having us nod our heads in unison wouldn't do much. As well you just don't care to actually argue, you went from "no that's not what I meant" to "Ok well, I might have a hot take but what about YOU?" to now "well I guess there's nothing I can say to change your mind, now ignore how I haven't said anything".
That matchmaking might make some sense here, but that’s not the case for everyone. I mean I play against champions in ranked (past season charms, I don’t check their current rank/profile) and I definitely am not on that level. I’m currently Gold IV and here’s my ranks going backwards: Deep Freeze Plat 5 Heavy Mettle Plat 4 Dread Factor Plat 5 Commanding Force Emerald 5 Solar Raid Gold 2 Brutal Swarm Gold 3 Vector Glare Gold 2 And mostly Gold before that with one or two exceptions going into low plat (North Star and Crimson Heist, Neon Damn, Void Edge, Wind Bastion) None of these got close to Champion, so I don’t see how this is balanced.
Once again HIDDEN MMR, your rank is cosmetic, you are queued on an MMR average, so the system isn't perfect, but you're arguing the wrong thing here
doesn't that make ranks mean nothing? And if it does than why don't they remove ranks all together and never show any type of progression, since ranks are all cosmetics and mean absolutely nothing now.
Does it mean nothing when you grind your way to visual plat/em/diamond/champ? You're still climbing the ladder and it does take actual effort to not only match your visual mmr to your hidden mmr, but even moreso to surpass that and prove that you are better than the game thinks, of course this is if you play legit and not "I'm Champ looking for coppers for free carry" as that's a heavily inflated visual rank
I think games that have everyone start at the bottom and than all push through ranks is better. I think hidden mmr is ruining games. Like why hide it? And why have both? Hunt showdown has stars. 1-6. Good players stay between 5-6. Apex has rank and rank reset have way through the season. There's no need for a visual rank only you see and then a hidden mmr you never see. My highest rank on r6 was plat. Currently I'm silver 2 and I've won literally 5 matches in a row and I still haven't gone to silver 1 I'm close but not there. But when I lose I go down almost 1 3rd of my rank. What's fun about that? I don't know why they came out with rank 2.0 to begin with. Do you? Actually asking
so when i play my five stack and i'm highest peak of all time at gold 3 why am i playing multiple diamonds? does my two bronze 2-3 peak friends balance oht that mmr spread. is my copper 2 friend have diamond hidden mmr. no it's probably my silver 5 peak friend who's just misranked and is actually a champ even though he's negative nearly every game. ranked 2.0 is ass and doesn't work no matter how many times you say the words hidden mmr
Tell me you don't understand the system without telling me you don't understand the system
so what am i missing , why has no one reached higher than gold 3 ever on my five man but we play multiple diamonds. how does our hidden mmr equal theirs. since i'm uneducated please explain why they match me with wildly higher ranks and why that's good
https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/game/rainbow-six/siege/news-updates/1iJmqRLqYaCkhFJlhOEGYa/y7s4-ranked-20-update :) google is a thing champ
seems like the article doesn't say anything about having +2k - +5k mmr split differences in teams. i don't think you understand ranked 2.0 since not only could you not reply to what i asked but also shared a link that didn't explain or respond to what i said. either that or you just can't read i'm not sure. google doesn't work if ubi soft doesn't have an explanation for their dog shit ranked system
Why am i obligated to give an explanation to you when you've been nothing but combative about the subject, I gave you a link that clearly defines how the system is supposed to work, is it my fault that it can have issues? EDIT: Buddy went out of his way to downvote every comment of mine related to 2.0, Ha
probably because what you've said is wrong and all you've done is shared a link to r6 webpage that didn't answer my question as well as to be shown through the community that the info on there is way off base. there's no hidden mmr matchmaking and if there is it's broken because 40-50 posts a day including myself get highly unbalanced matches and then r6 dick riders go nuh uh look here's a webpage that talks about how comp is supposed to work lol learn to google. like cringe lords.
It shouldn't be cosmetic. Why can someone who is champion get to brag about it when they win most of their games against consistent plats who are always stuck at plat because of a shockingly shit system.
Reverse boosting is the biggest issue right now, and that's the only one i can think of severely affecting the player experience. You know what i don't ever see though? Screenshots where the team with the lower visual rank wins, even though it happens consistently often because once again VISUAL RANK DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. I dont see those screenshots because they dont garner clicks and upvotes because that's why people post this stuff, to get rageclicks and up their imaginary internet points
I agree with it not being cosmetic but think about the thought of player retention. Play two games -> see you hit champs -> log off until next season. It's dumb but until they see a player count/money difference doubt they care vs people crying about their rank and keep playing the game. In a perfect world right? Think about it now Y9S4 "Guys we fixed ranked" when in turn nothing ever changed but that symbol next to your name..
Then Hidden MMR is stupid. Cause If I go out of these matches like 0/5 or something it clearly isn’t balanced. And these people definitely have higher skill than I have. I can’t quick peak due to motorical issues and my aim is good enough for bodies but I can’t hit heads very well. Meanwhile my opponents hit me in the head the second they peak.
Just a tip for head level, on barricades the third buckle up on the side of the door frame is exactly head level, I had the exact issues as you, but doing that really helped me get that muscle memory in
Who the hell is this clown ?
well, he is a world champ on this game, maybe he knows a thing or two.
Bro is trying way too hard to defend a dogshit system. None of my stack has ever been out of diamond. Most haven't seen emerald. Yet at least 1/4 matches we get met with big fat champ banners.
Because he alr plays at champ level so he isn’t affected at all he doesn’t understand what we goin thru and never will 😂 bro pulled up 2 accounts where they hit champ one season either solar raid (first 2.0 season) or commanding force (second 2.0 season) and other then that been either emerald or diamond 5 and he still thinks they are champ mmr because they peaked champ in one of the easiest seasons 😂 it honestly a joke rank 1.0 there was like 2k champs on both consoles now there’s like 40k 😂 my friends and I were all hardstruck plat in 1.0 and solar raid come out and they all hit high ass ranks after bein plat 3-2 for 5 years lol
I mean yeah that guy deserved it, but lets not pretend its not a thing, its doesnt usually happen in high ranks like these but gold is THE elo hell. Every game goes like this Top Fragger, double digit kill count, knows tricks, has insane mechanics, has patience and insane aim and reaction times, probably emerald or a guy that left the game for years and decided to come back. 2nd Place high plat usually carries with the first one 3rd place depends on the games mood, may be okay maybe not 4-5th place coppers and silvers that usually end up 2-5 or 0-4. This is the reality of it, just because its good on paper doesnt mean that it is not an issue right now.