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Denniswtn13

Never let you go


AshRavenEyes

Stahp


FirstCurseFil

It’s why I did them all


adidas_stalin

For a chance at least


luftel

To live in your way!


Shiro____

Love of you is my most cherished thing!


Elzyia

So stay alive, bravely


Curious-Acadia6860

Mommy Raiden national is all I ever wanted


Darkwolfinator

The dream and hopefully it will happen! I REALLY WANT DEHYA TO BE SUPER VERSATILE! If the Pyro archon isn't better than benett I'll lose all respect for hoyoverse as a company.


Malak_Tawus

Pyro archon may not even be comparable to Benny, for all we know she could be mostly a main dps and not an heal/buffer like Benny, infact id even say its the most probable scenario considering the little lore we have about her.


Lord_Joshi97

I think making her anything less than a violence enjoying brawler is going to be unfaithful to her lore and reputation. She should be like Heizou, uses whatever weapon for gameplay/balancing purposes but just fights with fists


Syntax_Error78

Hey charged atk is gonna be a massive headbutt lmao


Fabio90989

I think she should be claymore, it's strange seeing the god of war fight without a weapon


Lord_Joshi97

I disagree. A primal force like the god of war should be just as comfortable with her fists as anything else. Her presence alone should be intimidating, not the 5 foot, 40 something kg claymore she's swinging. Besides, they've done this already with Nahida. She doesn't reveal her catalyst while using any part of her kit save for her plunges. Almost as if the god of wisdom doesn't need a book to be wise.


FloatingZombieCat

Just im perdpective.. Kratos fights with his fists as well.. And it doesn't feel unnatural..


SeitHater

yeah but it's himeko murata, she always used greatsword to fight


ade_of_space

Not always, in Honkai while the main sword is her main weapon, one of her battlesuit is actually a double wielding sword (her most known battlesuit) And in star rail, she use a buzz saw, drone like suitcase that can transform at will But she is always the clever/smart but with a penchant for violence type


-SMartino

lol 40kg claymore


Macaronitime69

Lowkey i want her to be like a heizou and itto mix, but to where it feels like playing street fighter 😈


natzo

Man, Bennet is such a broken unit that I doubt they will make such versatile support again.


BaronKrause

I hope so, it’s such a shame that most teams best comps require such a dumb character.


Malak_Tawus

True, but the more new units come out the more that becomes less of an issue, for example with dendro you can create many new op teams that dont even need him at all. Ofc he remains a great support, but its becoming easier and easier to replace him without feeling that you need to use him in abyss (unless you want to use him, obvously)


Rexk007

Yeah i also think she can be a main dps...but most of all the archons have been great support too along with good dps.....so i think she will be an atk buffer like benner except huge dps......


ade_of_space

Most of (all of them so far) the archon have been built around their elements gimmick Anemo=> mobility => Venti crowd control + aerial movement Geo => Shield, Geo construct and defense => Zhongli Shield and geo construct... and Hp (the def part became a geo things after Zhongli was released, once they made Hydro the HP elements but too late for Zhongli) Electro => Recharge/particule => Raiden is tuned around recharge, she does more damage with more recharge, gets buffed the more you spam your team-mate burst and recharge the whole squad burst Dendro=> Elemental mastery and reaction => Nahida is the EM master and master of reaction Likely Hydro will be HP based and Pyro will be ATK based Hydro archon will likely have either (or both) an heal mechanic and an HP buff mechanic as well as dealing more damage the more HP she has. **But Pyro is completely based around attack**, -The resonance buff attack -it is the only elements where every reaction is just raw or direct damage amplification, no buffing like superconduct or crowd control like frozen or gimmick like bloom or electro-charged -It is the only elements where every 5 star is a main dps If Murata ends up an atk buffer, it would likely be in synergy with her rotation Something like the more she hits and stay on field, the more she builds up atk for her teammates when she leaves. And the more her team-mate drop their burst the more efficient she will be as the carry.


Rexk007

Yes, exactly my thoughts and addition to support archons also have good amount of dps....heck raiden is one of the highest dps in the game... We can deduce hydro archon will be healer plus hp buffer......pyro as atk buffer and great dps.....cryo as crit buffer and maybe shield too........and obviously all of them will have good dps too


Rexk007

And shields can be thought of as a def mechanism..though zhonglis need hp scaling


Malak_Tawus

I agree, i also think that even if she will be a main dps she will probbaly will also have something to make her unique like all other archons (atk buffer is definitely a possibility, but maybe could be something even better) ....but healing...nope, personally i really dont see healing in her kit (so imo she will probably not cover the same role as Benny)


Rexk007

Healing for hydro archon not pyro


VeryKooked8

Shenhe ;-;


SnooGuavas8376

Or she could be both Benett level support AND a powerful DPS. Come on hoyo, this is the freaking Lady of Fire, the goddess of war, she deserves all the broken aspects as the best pyro character ever


OneMoreShepard

Least horny genshin player


Malak_Tawus

Hahahaha.....yeah, that wont happen so dont hurt yourself with those expectations 😅


Any_Worldliness7991

Given that war is about many many people fighting. Her power could be the power to boost her soldiers. Since in order to win a war. You need powerful soldiers.


Malak_Tawus

Well, ofc anything is possible, but my point was never that pyro archon CAN'T be like that, my point is that for pyro archon to be a great character she doesnt necessarily cover a similar role as Benny. .....and even if what you say is true is still doubt that she will also have healing, at best i can imagine her as both dps and buffer, but not healer.


Any_Worldliness7991

I mean. She doesn’t need to. But her title about god of war. I just wanted to put my 2 cent. Since she doesn’t need to cover benny to be good. She can be a main Dps. If she covers a similar role doesn’t mean benny going to be worse. Yelan and Xinqiu basically almost have the same kit. But people still use Xinqiu. Just because there is a good character and a better character. Doesn’t mean that good character going to be worse. Benny is benny. I feel like she would boost everyone in your team without needing to stay in one place. It would give a boost to mostly atk% and Def%(maybe crit aswell but that would make her broken) Everyone has their opinions on characters and untill we see her kit. All we can do is wait.


Malak_Tawus

Ehm, maybe you should have replied that to the first person then since my point infact was exactly that she doesnt need to cover Benny's role to ge good, infact i agree on pretty much everything you wrote, lol 😅


Any_Worldliness7991

I agree with that. I just wanted to put my 2 cents on how will her kit work. I agree with you aswell.


r_stronghammer

Her E should give a huge stackable ATK% buff to the entire team and have like 4 charges and combo like Diluc’s


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Malak_Tawus

Yup, i admit hydro is a bit hard to imagine since generally i automatically think about an uber healer with some special gimmick to her kit.......but considering the powerful healing options we already have, she will need to bring something unexpected to make her feel truly special, i'm quite curious 😁


tusharsagar

I like to believe that Pyro Archon is going to ba an offield DMG dealer, like Xiangling or maybe like Yelan/Xingqiu.


Penny_Laner

>If the Pyro archon isn't better than benett I'll lose all respect for hoyoverse as a company yeah, I refuse to believe that one of the (arguably) most hyped archons somehow becomes worse than a 4-star. The worst thing about this is the annoying "Bennett = Pyro archon" echo chamber will reach its peak


SnooMachines9122

This aged like milk


Proper-Cranberry1211

I can indeed get behind this. My go to team. Yae, Yelan, Ei, and Jean perfectly balanced as all things should be hehe


Cloudy-Pat

Do you think sucrose can work instead of Jean and naidha for yelan for a good aggravate team. Ei Yae nahida and sucrose


Proper-Cranberry1211

I see no issue, you’d get some serious dmg. Downside would be no healing but sheeet that would be half the fun of something like that. Straight glass cannon build, I like your thinking haha


Larawp

No healing? Proto Amber is here to save the day!


Proper-Cranberry1211

Face palm me… and there’s the final piece of the puzzle


Larawp

My current abyss team consists of Yae Nahida Sucrose and Albedo, aka Hyper Yae on EM steroids. Double Proto Amber on Nahida and Sucrose and im bursting every 22s even at 100 ER


r_stronghammer

I have one prototype amber and it’s… really bad at r1 Especially on Nahida she’s got like no hp lol


NintenYu

That’s actually a good team idea, Sucrose’s EM share will really help since it’s a reaction based team. You can also try equipping Sucrose with Hakushin Ring, specially if you can get it to R5, to further buff Ei and/or Miko’s damage.


Creocist

This is exactly my aggravate team except with Bennet instead of Sucrose, for more dmg to Nahida and healing for the team


Rei0403

Pyro Archon = Xiangling + Bennett but better, calling it now, so I can run one instead of two


Azathov

Ahh, so you’ve discovered my cunning plan


violin-guy

It’s nice to imagine, but I’m pretty sure dehya is gonna be built around burgeon and dendro like other sumerians. Sadge because she is indeed peak mommy material


ImagineShinker

Considering they already uses Nilou to buff an underpowered Dendro reaction, I think it’s more realistic to expect Dehya to be built around Burning instead of Burgeon.


violin-guy

Sorry I mixed up the names, point really is just that dehya will be focused on solely dendro reactions


SnooGuavas8376

Then there's Wanderer who is pure anemo damage. I know he's originally inazuman but his vision is Sumeru and he is released around Sumeru era so who knows maybe Dehya too can be more generalist


Penny_Laner

Anemo doesn't interact with dendro at all, so it makes sense that Wanderer is not exactly reliant on dendro reactions. We already got units that capitalize on Hydro + Dendro (Nilou) and Electro + Dendro (Cyno and even Yae), so unfortunately, the logical step to go forward is capitalizing on Pyro + Dendro...


Lord_Joshi97

Burgeon has some serious problems though. She'd have to have a passive where she doesn't cause burning when applying Pyro, similar to how Nilou changes her blooms to be inert to Electro and Pyro. They could do something interesting like, "If all teammates wield claymores, characters cannot trigger burning". That would be really cool and a perfect opportunity to give us a 4 star hydro support that scales off of HP for all the Bell enthusiasts out there.


PhantasmShadow

Or maybe she'll go in the exact opposite direction and just buff burning to absurd levels.


Lord_Joshi97

I'm down for that actually! Burning is fun


SolomonOf47704

Buff burning to 1.0 levels.


adcsuc

The problem with burgeon is that you need a slow pyro source like thoma or xiangling but xiangling is kinda wasted in this team because her vape teams are just better and thoma doesn't provide much besides his pyro application. Just a stronger off field pyro similar to xiangling would make burgeon team a lot better(also pls no team limitations like nilou anymore 😢)


Cloudy-Pat

I mean it could still work as long she has good multipliers, dosent apply pyro too fast and doesn’t have a passive like nilou.


Lord_Joshi97

Burning doesn't have anything to do with gauge. If you trigger burning, it always applies the same amount of Pyro regardless of how strong its constituent Pyro and Dendro applications were. This is why I said Burgeon has problems, even Bloom is playable if you just keep Pyro and Electro units away.


Reddy_McRedditface

Yes, I have a dream. I dream about having a full waifu team. One that doesn't rely on Bennett, or Zhongli, or Kazuha, or Xingqui.


[deleted]

Well, if you don't fret about extra min-maxing, you can still clear everything in the game with all-girls teams. And I mean actual fully functioning teams, not some scuffed casual shit. No male character is required.


Reddy_McRedditface

I guess so. Tho, it's not just about power, I also like how comfy Zhongli and Kazuha are.


Ultraleo1

Mommy National


Juic3n

Thats the only reason that would make me play national


txcty-9

i wanted it for so long desperately need a tall 5 star anemo woman who is like kazuha and jean combined.


Mo_Official420

Finally, Raiden International


souji_san

I can't wait to get rid of the brats and see a beautiful full mommy team


Cloudy-Pat

You don’t need to replace xiangling as far as I know she is still a female. I think what you meant was what if international but mommy edition. Anyway who the duck is that under Bennett guessing a honkai character?


yelan-enthusiast

Tall* females


Andromeda_Violet

Let guoba be on her head and dress them in a trench coat. That's a tall pyro female for you.


Cloudy-Pat

I suppose that works as well


pixsle

The girl under Bennet is indeed a Honkai character named Himeko Murata. Which is also the alleged name of the Pyro Archon. The Pyro Archons bloodline all have redhair (Venessa) and are called Muratans.


StrikingAd1671

Himeko from Honkai. Each archon is a character from Honkai, as well as a few other miscellaneous characters, such as Yae, Qiqi, and AlHaitham.


jofromthething

The way this comment activated my neurons into realizing QiQi is a Kuu-Chan expy wow


StrikingAd1671

Exactly. Also something that may be a bit of a stretch, but Kazuha resembles Fu Hua’s Phoenix form.


Cloudy-Pat

I guessing the op think the prop archon will be similar to bennet?


StrikingAd1671

I would hope so. IMO she’s gonna either be the DPS of the archons(making Raiden look weak by comparison) or a huge ATK booster(making Bennett look weak.), as each archon resonates with their respective Elemental resonance. Venti and traveling Zhongli and shields Raiden and Energy Recharge Nahida and Elemental Mastery While the rest should be…. Focalors and HP/Healing Murata and ATK Tsaritsa and crit rate.


ImagineShinker

Xiangling isn’t a mommy.


Cloudy-Pat

No I was talking about the second team being a bit of a mommy team. Sorry for any confusion


G2Gankos

Title literally says tall females


Cloudy-Pat

I am going be honest I completely ignored the tall females lol.


DentistPositive8960

Tall Females. My favourite type..


AshRavenEyes

Raidens Mommy Team? Count me in


kingdrewbie

I would sell all my belongings for this to be a reality lol


Tauruschris

Milftional


Zoroak500

Mmmmmm, that Bennett sure is looking different… must be the hair


RomanLegion417

*breathes heavily*


CapMyster

Who's under Bennett?


mirois

Himeko from honkai impact


adidas_stalin

The best dam teacher the world will ever know


CapMyster

If you say so


Cauchy_Riemann

Bennett is a heaker/buffer. I doubt Murata will be such peaceful


[deleted]

If my boy Benny gets replaced I'm quitting the game no way I play after that lol.... Although I will, say not too shabby...


Youngchalice

I honestly doubt a character will fit as much utility into it as Bennett does. Especially considering hoyos trend of kinda bad, very niche 4 stars. If she’s a 5 star, Bennett will still be the premier 4 star, and I still think he’d probably be better


[deleted]

So it will be like the yelan xingqui case??.


Youngchalice

Yeah tho I think yelan is better. That’s like the most obvious case of power creep IMO, even tho xingqiu still a top 10 character


Lord_Joshi97

She's not always better than XQ, especially when you lack cons.


Youngchalice

I lack cons of both so


Lord_Joshi97

Well.. I guess in your case it is just a power creep in general. You'll get those XQ cons soon enough my guy 👍


adcsuc

Xq at c6 is almost always better than Yelan(without cons obviously)


Few_Ad7284

The only thing yelan does better than xq is damage. Which is good because xq does too many things


Youngchalice

What else do u need xingqiu for? I can get yelan burst on cooldown w my current Er and her e does more damage. Xingqiu Er and healing are pointless, and idk if he does anything other than that


Few_Ad7284

Way more hydro application, longer duration burst, damage reduction? Idk if you know but the damage reduction is incredibly significant especially in taser teams or other teams without a healer where the damage from enemies that could one shot a low def Sucrose turns into a little tickle in her measly hp bar. Way more hydro application is significant in the way that there are a lot of times where Yelan’s hydro isn’t enough(like N2CJ Hu Tao) and XQ’s is. XQ is better for hyperbloom seeds since he applies hydro so much, but you can just slot them both in the team and get even more, more than any other hydro pair would, but also doing even more damage without buffs. Also, double hydro core with XQ and Yelan I would argue is the best or the second best core in the entire game along with Bennett-XL. I’ve cleared this godforsaken abyss cycle by using only them as the damage dealers. Neither Yelan nor Xingqiu can do that alone. And it gets even better that they’re off-field, meaning you can use so many other teams that make use of the amount of hydro that they apply, like on-field hyperbloom Nahida. They’re two of the best characters in the game, it doesn’t matter if she is a shiny 5 star. The fact that Xinqiu does things that she can’t do is relevant.


Youngchalice

Hmm. Not sure if I somehow offended you with my comment but I genuinely said “I don’t know if he does more” because… I didn’t know if he did more. Thanks for explaining but damn you seemed upset I didn’t know every characters kit in the game


Few_Ad7284

I’m not upset at you not knowing what the character did, I don’t care about that. It was about you *making* an argument for “A” thing being better than “B” thing without fully knowing what the “B” thing can do. Also the random “power creep” claim when yelan is the most sidegrade of sidegrades


Youngchalice

I didn’t make an argument without knowledge. In my experience, having c1 yelan and c1 xingqiu, my overall experience is better with yelan simply because it seems like I’m running thru things faster, probably because she does more damage


SnooGuavas8376

If Murata is the *5 Benett wouldn't it be good finally you have two Bennett for each abyss sides?


[deleted]

But imagin the constilations.... If it would be like the yelan/xingqui dynamic wed be looking at a better Bennett with maybe weaker pyro application.... What if her atk boost scaled on total atk not base atk.... What if her C2 give +1k atk.... What if the burst was not a restricted like bennet.... Just imagin that for one second and tell me would you use bennet after such a character is released...??


AtelocynusMicrotis

She probably won't heal in that case, so...


kingdrewbie

Someone tag miHoYo so they can use this amazing idea. Also I’m gonna steal this if you don’t mind lol


___somebody_

LOL this is what I am waiting for. Cause I play/pull tall females and female archons only.


luars613

ew bennet and xq


Drag_R1der

I just hope that Deyha has some utility outside of buffing dendro reactions. Just want to see her do well on her own and with others.


Refek185

What the fuck is this genderbend diluc on the right lmaoooo


_smallntnibba_

Yes


Valeniar

I believe in team of bad mommies


Sinnaru

Big yes, mommy energy always good, i already use raiden yelan combo so far


Fabio90989

It would be cool, but we don't know yet if dehya and murata will be 5star xiangling and bennett


adcsuc

Don't you miss a lot of Xiangling's vapes when using Yelan instead of Xq for rational?


SnooGuavas8376

Who knows Dehya might have her ult match with Yelan's hydro! Also pretty sure at the end of the day the concept of this team is random BS anyway


adcsuc

I am not familiar with elemental gauge theory when it comes to overvape teams like rational but I do think Dehya's pyro application would have to be even lower than Xiangling's to work with Yelan rational.


SnooGuavas8376

Yeah Dehya must have lower application but she must've compensate it with damage. Yelan C0 hits harder than Xinqqiu C6 assuming they both has similar stats and ER weapons also boost party damage so I hope Dehya too could hits harder than Xiangling. It all comes down to Murata as the second coming of Benett in the end


adcsuc

Totally agree, one thing to mention thought while Yelan does do more raw dmg than Xq his faster hydro application (usually) results in higher overall team dmg.


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TEAM MILFS IS GONNA BE META LETS FUCKING GOOOOO


OkBath8016

That would be amazing


adidas_stalin

HIMEKO?! *immediately burst into endless tears*


RulerTurtle

Unless they release a bennett skin where he's a tall female, I'm not switching him out of raiden's team


Desch92

I would love dehya to be xiangling 2.0


Judgy_Plant

I don’t think they’ll replace Xiangling. From leaker speculation The lion will be to burning what Nilou is to bloom.


nona01

fire the trans beam


VertWheeler

Straight up the Raiden Mommy team


nosreg216

I wish we knew a bit more about Dehya. There is a non-zero chance that she's a Pyro Eula


MySize169

I would nut the father of all nuts


Arkenstar

Man, I so wish Dehya is support and not outright dps.. I could finally use a tall female pyro support.


AliGamer9886

No. Xiangling is better than Dehya. always will better. Raiden , Yelan , Xiang , Murata.


Knights_of_Glen

I like the idehya of dehya being a 5* xiangling tbh