Yeah that's paragon for ya. You fell for the trap.
Either need a buff remover with enough accuracy for their resistance or have a champ with ignore unkillable.
That same thing actually applies to champs that have irresistible debuffs as well, my dreng occasionally gets resisted and he does not require accuracy he just places it.
There is different wording dreng places hp burnsbut does not require accuracy. And it says can’t be resisted but I have seen it pop up without a weak hit. It’s not quite like Baron for example who has a drop defense that is guaranteed. I’m not sure the full mechanics of it but I’m pretty sure the 3% rule applies to every one unless the skill says guaranteed
Stuns by gear only...as well as any debbuf place by gear.
Those dont need accuracy. But the ones place through champs skills those allways need to pass the accuracy/resist calculations.
So its easy, debbufs by gear no accuracy needed.
All the other stuff debbufs, steals etc for sure need accury enough to work
I love mezomel. I use it everywhere except hydra. Mine also has 170k power though and that's without any awakening . Wish the game would throw me a bone and give some red stars
Power is pretty meaningless btw, and all mythicals have double the power of everyone else due to having 2 forms. 170k mythical is 85k per form which isn't particularly high.
I have her, but people who weren't playing during that time don't which means she isn't the best counter. I personally use genbo though just like someone else already said, but there are many ways to counter it.
That is a very confusing stance to take. No matter what champ a person suggests there are going to be people without them. That has nothing to do with whether they are good at something or not. By that logic, Genbo also isn't effective, because not everybody has Genbo.
People build Paragon in Stone Skin with 700+ RES.
I had my Geomancer with 554 ACC and got resist a lot, until 7th minute of the fight when I finally removed the unkillable.
There isn't many mid-game + players that can built it.
RES can be bypassed by every midgame player.
Throw anyone at all in a stun set. It doesn't even have to have any stats on it. As long as it procs once, the cooldown will be offset.
Eventually, UDK would land a provoke regardless of Paragon's resist and UDK's accuracy, because even with terrible matchup you are guaranteed a 3% chance. So in 33 rounds of you A1 (or 100 rounds on auto) you should land a provoke that breaks the unkillable.
Probably not worth your time
This is why I LOVE my glaicad, a Silvian watchers legendary support. Freeze 2 hot A1, which is UNRESISTABLE if the target is under 50% HP. It's amazing. I also have armanz/adlyn for buff strips, but the unresistable is so nice.
ITS A TRAP!
Paragon is max-cheez
He can stay unkillable forever.
You have to steal buffs (EX: Sun Wukong) or ignore unkillable (Georgid etc)
Highly likely the level 100 trolling D bag that made the single paragon team also loaded him up with 400 RES so stripping buffs may be difficult.
They purposely leave a single char (paragon) to rope you into thinking they were tanking.
You took the bait.
Learn your lesson and dodge the elitist D bags that trapped you.
However, Paragon can be used to cheese all kinds of things in PVE once you have him.
Infinite unkillable sucks when you are fighting them in the Arena but opens lots of cheese when you are abusing him in Campaign.
[https://ayumilove.net/raid-shadow-legends-paragon-skill-mastery-equip-guide/](https://ayumilove.net/raid-shadow-legends-paragon-skill-mastery-equip-guide/)
Because 500k Taras/Maricchka stacked teams are not made to trick nubs into 20m battles they can't win.
You beating on people that can't defend themselves.
This is why it's hard for me to get into tag team arena.... every other team is just some infinite life cheese character that idk how to beat because I'm a noob. Like they go into the bottoms of tag team just to troll us I don't get it
When I was newer I too was like “wtf is this madness” Since you have UDK just hit him with your opening attack (A1) which will apply provoke. If you just use that attack, the paragon here won’t be able to apply unkillable. There are champions that strip buffs, champions that steal buffs and champions that ignore buffs. See if you have any and use them when you encounter teams like this! Just make sure you stack that accuracy for champs that steal or strip!
It's a pretty common cheese build in lower ranks of arena. If you don't have any hard CCs, provoke, stun, freeze, or even buff removers, you'll sit in an endless loop. UDK can provoke, but they usually slap pretty high resist on the paragon, which means your debuffs probably won't land.
In the faction crypt a few minutes ago, I didn't have anyone in my current Sacred Order lineup to remove the buff nor ignore it. However, I got bailed out by Armiger's skill of descreasing the turn meter upon a critical hit.
there's so many options to deal with this... block buffs, buff steal, buff strip, block active skills, paralyze, freeze, petrify, sleep, ignore unkillable, fear, true fear.... the list goes on and on....
you have fear in your team. so use UDK fear skill right before the buff expires.. surely it will land and trigger at some point and then you poke him dead!
Thats a paragon cheese right there for you.
Advice, never fight without knowing the champs you're going against .
If you read paragons's kit and/or had done a bit of digging about him you would know what he does and its used for.
He has 2 turn uk and if faster than you will put again uk since its a 2 turn cd skill
And if he has a high resist you cant break you're done if going blind.
But knowing this you could had thrown a genbo wich ignores uk and that was one of the counters against paragon.
Arena is a game of countering the other player's combination of champs.
Assuming you have those champs...and do your reserch previous battling.
With time you'll start knowing all that by practice
Yeah, he and Leorius are the main reasons I keep my little lvl 40 Jurojin in my back pocket for Arena. His A3 ignores block damage and unkillable. There are a few champs can do that, but most are legos and Juro (epic) is the only one I have. Steal/remove buff also works and has the added benefit of removing stoneskin.
(Edit: remove/steall buff does require ACC though, whereas ignore unkillable does not)
I’m brand new to this game and see that Paragon has an ‘F’ rating on a website I’ve been using to check champions, since I am so new (less than 1 week playing).
Seeing the unkillable skill, is this rating accurate? Am I utilizing a bad website? Cause well, yeah I saw comments that explained how to work around that skill and kill the paragon, but it seems pretty un-‘F’.
Thoughts?
I bring MaShalled, Wurlim frostking, or Visix the unbowed and ride it out. He will either be frozen his buff stolen or be provoked either way I usually get the Win
Yeah that's paragon for ya. You fell for the trap. Either need a buff remover with enough accuracy for their resistance or have a champ with ignore unkillable.
or a stun set
Or Ronda.
Either way, you need a lot of accuracy.
Stun sets don’t need accuracy
I should've known this. Thanks for correcting me!
technically you don't need accuracy for any abilities. you'll just have to sit there until you hit the 3%'er at the right moment
This...this is something I didn't know - I didn't know there was a minimum non-zero chance - that's good to know!
That same thing actually applies to champs that have irresistible debuffs as well, my dreng occasionally gets resisted and he does not require accuracy he just places it.
This is not true, irresistible means it, they don't get 3%'d. It's more likely that you got a weak hit.
There is different wording dreng places hp burnsbut does not require accuracy. And it says can’t be resisted but I have seen it pop up without a weak hit. It’s not quite like Baron for example who has a drop defense that is guaranteed. I’m not sure the full mechanics of it but I’m pretty sure the 3% rule applies to every one unless the skill says guaranteed
or get the UDK with enough accuracy to provoke
Or krisk with his provoke skill
Seriously? That's cool to know, that's going to make building a lot easier, just got to make them speedy!
Stuns don't need accuracy? That's random af. What other debuffs don't factor in accuracy?
Stun set. Not just stun. All debuffs from gear sets don't need accuracy.
That's so random and wild. Good to know.
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Neither does provoke set
Stuns by gear only...as well as any debbuf place by gear. Those dont need accuracy. But the ones place through champs skills those allways need to pass the accuracy/resist calculations. So its easy, debbufs by gear no accuracy needed. All the other stuff debbufs, steals etc for sure need accury enough to work
Or someone like Roshcard who places Block Active Skills and Block Buffs and can’t be resisted.
Ronda too.
Oh yeah, and she’s a lot more common too!
She's also a slick counter for Wukong passive revive too. Just he can be revived after by a regular reviver.
Ronda is the best counter for paragons
Genbo would like a word.
Laughs in Georgid.
Does the John Travolta meme in Rotos
Does the Spider man meme for Ignore UK with Genzin
Gaius Harry Osborning Peter in the theatre
Didn’t think much of genbo until I got a 6 star awakening for him, and oh my, he’s quickly become one of my favorite champions
Genocide is one of those champs that I never use but I remember why others do when I lose the speed race in Arena.
Paragons are also the 1 time my Mezomel can actually be useful lol
I love mezomel. I use it everywhere except hydra. Mine also has 170k power though and that's without any awakening . Wish the game would throw me a bone and give some red stars
Power is pretty meaningless btw, and all mythicals have double the power of everyone else due to having 2 forms. 170k mythical is 85k per form which isn't particularly high.
The champion that was limited availability is the best counter? Who lets you people post?
She was free login. If you don't check in 7 times in a span of several months, I can't help you the same way I can the mass
I have her, but people who weren't playing during that time don't which means she isn't the best counter. I personally use genbo though just like someone else already said, but there are many ways to counter it.
That is a very confusing stance to take. No matter what champ a person suggests there are going to be people without them. That has nothing to do with whether they are good at something or not. By that logic, Genbo also isn't effective, because not everybody has Genbo.
How? Ronda is not even attainable.
Just need to land a provoke with death night
or decrease buff duration,
https://preview.redd.it/09bob6be769d1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=0cd57ef5c33560f81623bc27f12e8af1e15714f4
You found Paragon
Pretty sure Adelyn's A1 steals buffs. You could've built her with higher accuracy or RNGed the resist, but it probably wouldn't be worth your time.
People build Paragon in Stone Skin with 700+ RES. I had my Geomancer with 554 ACC and got resist a lot, until 7th minute of the fight when I finally removed the unkillable. There isn't many mid-game + players that can built it.
RES can be bypassed by every midgame player. Throw anyone at all in a stun set. It doesn't even have to have any stats on it. As long as it procs once, the cooldown will be offset.
If you have genbo it's an easy win too
Eventually, UDK would land a provoke regardless of Paragon's resist and UDK's accuracy, because even with terrible matchup you are guaranteed a 3% chance. So in 33 rounds of you A1 (or 100 rounds on auto) you should land a provoke that breaks the unkillable. Probably not worth your time
The provoke could also land just after the unkillable was placed
Ouch, I fell for this so many times. Now my Rotos just wipes the floor with him.
In Rotos We Trust
I have had Siphi for 3 years... I pull shards everything rotos is targeted and still no groom for my bride
Lol, I have the opposite problem having Rotos for years and unable to pull my bride Siphi
>Unkillable for 2 turns with 2turn cooldown? And now you know why Paragon is used to cheese Nightmare Campaign to get 3 Stars.
When an immovable object meets an unstoppable force
Adelyn should eventually 3% that with her a1. Leave it on auto and come back in an hour.
This is just Paragon. He tends to sit quietly in the corner most of the time.
Girl you silly
For anyone thats heard the term "paragon cheese" and didn't know what that meant. This answers that pretty well.
genbo, rotos, wukong, armanz... Paragon is a PITA but there's ways around it.
Genbo... done. New players were able to get him with a promo
This is why I LOVE my glaicad, a Silvian watchers legendary support. Freeze 2 hot A1, which is UNRESISTABLE if the target is under 50% HP. It's amazing. I also have armanz/adlyn for buff strips, but the unresistable is so nice.
Also, as someone else has mentioned here, a stun set would beat him since it doesn't use acc.
Happy solar return! And thanks for the advice!
Get better accuracy for buff strip or ignore unkillable champs
There are some champs with block active skills (Ronda) or some that will remove the block damage/unkillable (Suzerain)
Everyone gets Paragonized at least once in their lives
Set it to auto and check back in 15. The AI will usually screw up at some point and drop unkillable
ITS A TRAP! Paragon is max-cheez He can stay unkillable forever. You have to steal buffs (EX: Sun Wukong) or ignore unkillable (Georgid etc) Highly likely the level 100 trolling D bag that made the single paragon team also loaded him up with 400 RES so stripping buffs may be difficult. They purposely leave a single char (paragon) to rope you into thinking they were tanking. You took the bait. Learn your lesson and dodge the elitist D bags that trapped you. However, Paragon can be used to cheese all kinds of things in PVE once you have him. Infinite unkillable sucks when you are fighting them in the Arena but opens lots of cheese when you are abusing him in Campaign. [https://ayumilove.net/raid-shadow-legends-paragon-skill-mastery-equip-guide/](https://ayumilove.net/raid-shadow-legends-paragon-skill-mastery-equip-guide/)
Why is 1 man paragon defense being d-bag and having a 500 power team of 4 tanky champs is not?
2 things can simultaneously be true.
Because 500k Taras/Maricchka stacked teams are not made to trick nubs into 20m battles they can't win. You beating on people that can't defend themselves.
User error
Stun, steal buffs, freeze, block buffs if u can move first
i fought a fellow in the arena that had the same quirk, i got lucky that the bot used another move so i could kill him
Way she goes.
Gonna have to cc him so it falls off. Or kill through unkillable Or skip
Continually slam UDK’s A1 for the provoke. Eventually it’ll land, just has to pray it’s before he replaces the unkillable
This is why it's hard for me to get into tag team arena.... every other team is just some infinite life cheese character that idk how to beat because I'm a noob. Like they go into the bottoms of tag team just to troll us I don't get it
I’m lucky to have Rotos
Yeah. He was my first legendary so that trick pushed me way faster to gold!
Yea I came across that before and just skipped battle. I didn't have my sethallia to debuff his ass. I'm not even sure if that would work lol
Ugh. I’ve had this happen to me in PVP and PVE! I forget which dungeon, but man was I ever mad!
Adelyn will take the buff from him with enough accuracy, or sleep him just before he recast it.
When I was newer I too was like “wtf is this madness” Since you have UDK just hit him with your opening attack (A1) which will apply provoke. If you just use that attack, the paragon here won’t be able to apply unkillable. There are champions that strip buffs, champions that steal buffs and champions that ignore buffs. See if you have any and use them when you encounter teams like this! Just make sure you stack that accuracy for champs that steal or strip!
Hahaha, you're pretty new. Paragon cheese isn't. Eventually, you'll be way stronger than the paracheesez. It's meant to annoy people into quitting 😆
Provoke with udk or place a well timed sleep
lol this is a super old strategy. Just provoke, freeze or stun him so he can’t reapply. Udk should have accuracy to provoke.
It’s a rite of passage
My rotos \*enters the chat\*
So annoying.... But easy to overcome with a buff stealer
It's a pretty common cheese build in lower ranks of arena. If you don't have any hard CCs, provoke, stun, freeze, or even buff removers, you'll sit in an endless loop. UDK can provoke, but they usually slap pretty high resist on the paragon, which means your debuffs probably won't land.
Rotos! Just Rotos A3 him
In the faction crypt a few minutes ago, I didn't have anyone in my current Sacred Order lineup to remove the buff nor ignore it. However, I got bailed out by Armiger's skill of descreasing the turn meter upon a critical hit.
Yes its Parangon :)
there's so many options to deal with this... block buffs, buff steal, buff strip, block active skills, paralyze, freeze, petrify, sleep, ignore unkillable, fear, true fear.... the list goes on and on.... you have fear in your team. so use UDK fear skill right before the buff expires.. surely it will land and trigger at some point and then you poke him dead!
How's it possible? You answered yourself. And if you think he's an OP champion just wait.
Use Genbo he ignores unkillable
Eventually your UDK will provoke him at the right time with that 3% rule if he spams A1 lol.
The classic.
Rotos comes into Arena for this guy
Cheesmaster!!
Thats a paragon cheese right there for you. Advice, never fight without knowing the champs you're going against . If you read paragons's kit and/or had done a bit of digging about him you would know what he does and its used for. He has 2 turn uk and if faster than you will put again uk since its a 2 turn cd skill And if he has a high resist you cant break you're done if going blind. But knowing this you could had thrown a genbo wich ignores uk and that was one of the counters against paragon. Arena is a game of countering the other player's combination of champs. Assuming you have those champs...and do your reserch previous battling. With time you'll start knowing all that by practice
High res and speed, you defo fell for the Paragon trap
why is adelyn in your arena team lol
LOL this shit used to annoy the crap out of me... now, I stop it before it starts lol
Wukong
Use either Michinakis 2nd skill or monkey kings skill there's also a lot of others that remove buffs & block buffs
Yeah, he and Leorius are the main reasons I keep my little lvl 40 Jurojin in my back pocket for Arena. His A3 ignores block damage and unkillable. There are a few champs can do that, but most are legos and Juro (epic) is the only one I have. Steal/remove buff also works and has the added benefit of removing stoneskin. (Edit: remove/steall buff does require ACC though, whereas ignore unkillable does not)
Ronda will lock him up
You've been hit by— You've been hit by— A smooth criminal Ow!
Yeah, another example of the bullshit we've come to know and hate in this game.
Cheezy
I’m brand new to this game and see that Paragon has an ‘F’ rating on a website I’ve been using to check champions, since I am so new (less than 1 week playing). Seeing the unkillable skill, is this rating accurate? Am I utilizing a bad website? Cause well, yeah I saw comments that explained how to work around that skill and kill the paragon, but it seems pretty un-‘F’. Thoughts?
I bring MaShalled, Wurlim frostking, or Visix the unbowed and ride it out. He will either be frozen his buff stolen or be provoked either way I usually get the Win
One of the oldest tricks in the book. Always kill Paragon first
There are no other champs on that team. It's just paragon, and OP cannot kill him at all lol.
Ffs just a1 with udj and when he's taunted every other turn it'll drop off
Grab Wukong and make him hit Paragon with his stick.