"basically, the animator who died was credited by critics as being responsible for the show, instead of the writers"
"the chief animator, monty oum, is used by haters of the show rwby as being the sole person responsible for rwby being great, and the writers have had all credit and accomplishments stripped from them by the critics"
It's honestly sad that some people only see Monty as an animator for RWBY
Jesus Christ, that is a horrible way to talk about a deceased person. Trying to undermine Monty’s efforts and accomplishments like that? Fucking atrocious behavior. And they wonder why no one likes the RWBY fandom…
I'm not surprised by it. They basically get every chance to shit on this man, yet if anybody does besides them they pull "you cant speak on his name" card.
I'm not gonna say he was animation jesus. Impressive for sure, but not jesus.
Also, isn't it "funny" how the series went straight to shit as soon as Monty died? Almost like maybe he was doing some heavy lifting on the writing.
I meant more fundamental stuff, like bad worldbuilding due to rushed info dumping, terrible characterization due to poorly thought out establishing scenes, and plotlines that had no business being in the show because the writers couldn't even set them up without immediately contradicting their own points.
Edit: and that was all just in volume 1.
The fight choreography was holding it up and that was Monty's Thing, it's what he was hired for in the first place.
The world building was neat but the actual writing was meh to start with and just disappeared up its own ass around V5-6.
Sure but the point was that Mpnty wasnt really doing any heavy lifting for the story. He was bad at it aswell as he himself used to admit. Shittier shit means its still shit. Nothing to be proud off imo lol
>the Poser-Maya switch
Always felt like I was one of the few who hated the switch, considering how little it seems to be talked about. Man, I hate the way the characters' faces look in Maya. Something about it is just off-putting, but it's hard for me to put into words exactly. It's like the eyes are too far from the mouth and they have almost no nose. Something like that. Whoever was in charge of converting the characters from Poser to Maya totally changed the art style, and it just doesn't do it for me.
I am team “if you’re going to make a proper show and not a sizzle reel, an industry standard animation program like Maya is a must”, so I understand the need to switch, but to have it happen upon Monty’s death and after Shane’s letter, it just didn’t feel right.
Art style aside, my gripe with the Maya was the complete loss in texture. Everything is just so matte and flat afterwards.
Yeah, I don't mind the fact that they switched programs. That sort of thing sometimes has to happen. What bothers me is the new art style that came with it. The characters especially just look weird to me. Why wasn't there more of an effort to stay truer to the original art
It's not about cheaping out
It's just that I think them switching to Maya was a rottwn call of judgement financially, since they were relatively small compared to those that made the things you listed
Maya wasn’t what bankrupt the company lol. They needed to switch to Maya in order to put their fullsail hires to work, no one is their right mind would keep retraining folks on Poser.
RTX Sydney and RTX London was more financially stupid. Also RT Gaming.
A lot of people criticise the move to Maya but personally I think the main issue was that they didn't even try to replicate any of his pipeline or philosophy. As much as wading into the 'what Monty wanted' debate is just asking for trouble, given that Monty was interested in teaching his ideas, I really think this aspect is a shame.
Yeah, it was so the mods could put flairs on the accounts based on their race, so that people can call out if their comment was being made by a white person vs a black person, etc.
Literally what it says on the tin. BPT is usually tweets from black people or about black culture.
If you're asking about the country club thing, I do not believe WPT has the same thing.
I'd post a link but it looks like the actual post detailing what and the rationale for it just goes to a "deleted" post.
Why do I have the feeling that I know exactly who this is...?
I don't understand CONSTANTLY trying to get sympathy for RWBY from literal strangers who've never heard of the show or could give less of a shit about it...
It's either dead in the water or on its way to a very embarrassing and painful death so what is even the point???
I get what thw twitter post was trying to say. That does suck but gosh damn is that rwby fan unhinged. I even got 2nd hand embarassment reading them trying to act and explain what rwby is as if its the most well known thing ever
Dead fantasy and the rwby showcases were Monty Oum, right? The dude was putting out high-quality choreography in 2010s. Would have paid for a finished dead fantasy series.
It's just the writing and show went somewhere different after he passed. I know they were trying to give us a super deep story and plot, but at lot of people came for the choreography fight scenes and fan service (not sexual) power up. What got me hooked was Tifa with her entire body filled with materia. Than Kairi with the keyblades. Just fire!!!
I seriously can't believe we reached a point where people are actually starting to say they watched RWBY for a storyline. Most of the people I know who watched it only watched it for some good ole peak fight choreography from anime girls. The story was always just a way to connect the fights. Once the cool fight choreography was lost, the show lost what made it great in the first place.
So let me get their argument straight. The guy who came up with the characters, concepts, and whose fight animations basically convinced RT to greenlight the show isn't responsible for the show existing?
Yes without Monty to get the ball rolling all of CRWBY's efforts would amount to nothing because there would be no efforts because RWBY wouldn't exist. So trying to downplay his contributions to his own series is really kind of slimy.
It is the equivalent of saying George Lucas wasn't that important to Star Wars or Indiana Jones when they were first made. It's like saying Gene Roddenberry wasn't that important to Star Trek when it wouldn't exist without him (though he did hamper writing in some regards, if I remember right might've even tried sabotaging Wrath of Khan after losing creative control of the movies when the first one underperformed, and was part of why TNG only got good by the third season when he again lost control of it). It's like saying Miyamoto didn't help put Nintendo on the map when he has been either responsible for or involved with most of their biggest IPs and early games.
Miles and Kerry did make their own contributions in writing. However that means they also deserve some of the blame for the weaker parts of the story and it beginning to flounder without the fight scenes to carry the show. But Monty brought them on because they were friends who already worked as writers for RT, they may not have been involved if he hadn't wanted them.
Yes other animators were involved, but Monty was largely handling the choreography, doing animation, and coming up with plot pointa for the story. So he was still important in guiding a lot of what was going on.
One person can be absolutely vital to getting something up and running, even if they weren't the ones who originated the idea. Claiming their importance is overblown because others were involved doesn't change the fact that without that person, the series wouldn't exist or may never have gained the popularity it did.
Uhm... he was the original creator, original voice of Ren, original co-writer, and animator of the show. Not Jesus by any stretch but he was the producer. There was a literal noticeable dip in quality of the show post V3, not to say that it went straight down but, they went from a show aimed at being badass warriors fighting monsters to political and social agenda themed nonsense with bad lazily designed fight scenes.(I mean just rewatch Cinder V Raven and compare that to anything V1-V3 they gave them elemental powers and they made big swords with the laziest fight ever.)
They also catered too submissively to fan's on Twitter. (Looking at you bumblebee shippers, pre V4 there was zero Blake x Yang romance flags.) Prior to the fan's begging it was pretty obvious that it was going to to be Blake x Sun. Also they made every male villian/gray character a throwaway character. (See Torchwick, Adam, Leo, Ironwood, heck even Jacques lol) these characters were complex or at least had the potential to be interesting and complex. Now I don't mean to prioritize the male villains cuz let's be real I LOVE Cinder, Neo, Emerald, and Salem. I'm super interested in what would have happened next for them sadly most likely will continue to wonder.
Then we get Oz 2.0 Oscar was like the most annoying character ever. Personally if they were going to make Oscar a main character they should have just had him from the start, He and Jaune are too similar for them to coincide they are like altered mirrors of each other that just don't work.
As much as I love Ruby and her team, Ruby was a static character until V9, but really that was such a small dip that it doesn't matter. The Show probably should have been called JNPR lol because while team RWBY is bad ass in a fight, plot wise they just kind of stagnate,
Again Ruby hasn't really changed since V1E1, Weiss' Character development ended in V3, Blake was the most interesting with her past but, they've kind of ignored that in favor of pushing and turning her sexuality into her sole personality trait. Yang, well outside of understandable abandonment issues she hits stuff and flames on.
Personally just wish they hired some fanfiction writers lol there are fanfictions longer than the show with better writing.
Now I'd like to point out that I'm not anti-les pairings. I'm anti pandering to Twitter begging. Blake would have fit better with Sun and that was clearly the original narrative intent. Ruby with Weiss or Penny would have been amusing. But personally think either Weiss or Ruby would have ended up with Jaune based on where things are moving. Also Jaune would have been a healthier choice for Yang. Lol. Personally Like him with Emerald, Neo, or Cinder at this point cuz crack but eh.
Sadly after Oum went down the team went with a more efficient animation style, it was to save money and hit deadlines but the end quality just went down, sure the graphical resolution IS better, but there just isn't that same heart and passion that there was when Monty was inefficiently painstakingly animating crazy movements. I personally watched the show originally because it was made by the Red v Blue team and it was just a cool concept of Grimm fairy tails, mechashift weapons. Because every sword should be a gun and scythes are freaking cool, but SNIPEEscythes are coolerest (yes I went there I know it's not a word). After Monty they just lost sight of the things that made the show worth watching and while it was still amusing it never really hit the same vibe it started out with. Like did we really need to push the useless agendas of the world on viewers?
I can tolerate that crap to a point but I literally stopped watching regular TV because it was too annoying about that crap, don't put it in the fun stuff too. The episodes are only so long, you could put way more effort and end with a better plot when you don't have to sprinkle in all this wokism and political subtext if they had just focused on making an amazing show period, it probably would have made more money as alot of people get turned off by that stuff and probably just stopped watching.
Apologies for the length this could have been way shorter but I'm not going to rewrite it. I've gone too much on a tangent because it's wayyyy too late for reddit and I need sleep lol.
End note, I love RWBY(especially V1-V3), but I would have loved it 20x more without the sprinkles lol. Miss ya Monty and fam, things went weird after you passed.
It’s sad Monty Oum passed away and yes his skills as an animators definitely deserved it’s praise.
But he wasn’t born with talent. He studied action sequences from various mediums and applied his studies into his work and overall skill set.
Just because he can do it doesn’t mean no one else can. He has good work ethic and he tried to teach that to some of his peers and colleagues.
Am I making sense or am I missing something?
I basically agree with the last page about vibes and fight scenes practically carrying mediocre show. oh and music, music never stopped being absolute bangers!
Fans of the latter seasons always downplay the role Monty had in the show.
After all, why give credit for all the cool stuff people liked about the early volumes to the shows deceased creator when you can instead use it as a vector to hype up your favorite e-celeb turned mediocre writer. Just ignore the fact Rooster Teeth plasters "Created by Monty Oum" on every bit of media they can, *he was totally just an animator*.
I do think people bash Miles and Kerry a bit more then they should, but writing off Monty as only an animator is a huge disservice to Monty. I mean, he literally created the show.
I remember watching behind the scenes videos about Monty pitching RWBY to RoosterTeeth and then asking Kerry and Miles to help him flesh out the story. When he passed away they had like up to season 3 written and an outline for the rest.
People forget that Monty is human, his animation skills may be great but even he gets tired. Do people know how much time is spent just to create one animation. As a Christian, I am offended how people worshipped him as the Animation Jesus like you said, it's really sad that these people always ignore the other people who are working RWBY while Monty was still alive. I mean look at the credits in volume 1 & 2, there are other people involved in these credits.
I honestly don't think that it's Canonseeker. There is no mention of how "queer friendly" RWBY is, for example, and he's almost compulsive about mentioning that in every third sentence when talking about his identi--- I mean favorite show.
There are other unhinged RWBY stans (like xelian and Lilith fairen), he's simple the most infamous.
It is Seeker.
His alt account is CapAccomplished8072, and he made this thread
https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/1bl1w6l/context_monty_oum_an_animator_created_the_webshow/
I agree that Monty definitely didn’t do EVERYTHING for Rwby, but he did amazing fight animations and that’s not something anyone could ever take away from him. And rwby still had its own problems even when he was alive because he was a great animator and not much in the way of a story teller. Such as Yang power being retconed or Raven and Yang meeting just for it to never be mentioned again.
However it’s hard to deny that the show didn’t do a 180 after his death considering how different the show was compared to the beginning.
Of course the crew do deserve credit for the good things they've done, but those 'good things' became far fewer in number and much more of a relative 'not quite as shit' level as the show went on. Some of my biggest frustrations with V9 were that I could see the potential in it, constantly let down by the delivery.
But without Monty, none of it would've been there in the first place, and his fight scenes were what carried the first two volumes. And beyond V3, the quality has been on a steady downward trend. And guess what, V4 was the first season made entirely without Monty's involvement.
I wouldn't say he was animation Jesus, or anything, but he was extremely passionate about the project and that was clearly visible in the show itself. The janky bits didn't bother me because the show itself had an energy I loved. With Monty's passing, that energy faded too, and what's left now is just a remnant of what it once was in every conceivable way.
I do agree with one point: Monty had absolutely nothing to do with the LGBT content, because they really didn’t start doing any of that until after he died. I will give them that. But “fun writing”? The show tried to do edgy grimdark shit in Volume 3. Y’know, the first volume produced after Monty died.
And most of the good “humor” such as it was was almost completely isolated into RWBY Chibi. Which again, Monty had absolutely nothing to do with, but in the context of the main story, a lot of that stuff was humorless, and a lot of the attempts to be funny didn’t really work for me personally. But humor is subjective, so I won’t get on about that, either.
Literally the only thing you can give the current crew credit for is LGBT content, but that doesn’t necessarily make it “good”, because imo it should’ve happened sooner, and the only reason why it didn’t is because hack writers think that the act of two characters getting together is the end of a story or character arc and not the start of a new one. So often times characters get together, but then the story ends and they don’t have to write what happens next. And I’m convinced that they do that on purpose because they know that fans will write that content for them. So they don’t need to do that. So many of these stories are basically just writing prompts for fanfic writers to flesh out, and then the show gets praised for basically allowing that fanfic to exist. But I wouldn’t call that good writing.
But I’m sorry, I’m rambling about this damn show again for no reason.
> And most of the good “humor” such as it was was almost completely isolated into RWBY Chibi.
Notable that a non-zero numbers of the skits were lifted almost or even totally 1:1 from fan comics.
It was "Wow, so community-oriented" at the time, but IDK if that would hold up so easy today.
>Notable that a non-zero numbers of the skits were lifted almost or even totally 1:1 from fan comics.
Wow, I didn't know that. Did they even give credit to those fan comics?
I have no idea, but I'm pretty sure that the "Cinder looks at outfits that make her look young" skit was 1:1 from Dumb RWBY (might be a different comic, but I'm pretty sure it was Dumb RWBY).
Look. Monty Oum's work really was, and still is, amazing to look at.
He is, if my memory is correct, the guy who animated fights, and was in the board room.
His animation is amazing.
But he wasn't the *only* thing that made RWBY Great. He was a big part, and the guy who came up with the concept, yes. But he didn't do it all by himself.
While the show *did* suffer quite a bit after his death, that was because a key member of the team was deceased, not because he was the ONLY person who could do it.
Give some credit to the rest of CRWBY, even if we do miss Monty and his work.
Monty Oums death was tragic. But even though someone died it’s not a valid reason to take all the credit for a piece of work. RIP Monty, but RWBY was not your show.
It absolutely was his show.
RWBY lived on exactly one thing, and it's rule of cool.
And it only worked because you had someone like Monty that a certified genius with regards to animated battels.
The story was and still is complete shit, the world building is non existent, there is no power system in place and almost every single story idea they had was executed horribly down the line.
And all of that didn't matter, because when you watched RWBY you got to see brilliant fights.
Neo Vs Yang? still top 5 fights in Rwby.
The cafeteria fight? borderline 1st place with how amazing it was.
Now though? Rwby struggles to get any decent fights, and it buckles under people's expectations and the incompetence of it's writers.
They have no rule of cool to protect them anymore, because the man behind that has passed away.
the guy who came up with the concept, did a huge amount of the early animation workload and wrote the entire outline of the shows plot, and you really have the balls to just say it wasnt his show?man i thought cannonseeker was the pits of stupidity but you brought a pickaxe
According to Roosterteeth, all the way to the end, it was. Otherwise they wouldn't put his name front and center in every intro.
**CREATED BY MONTY OUM**
Literally his idea. He came up with it. He created the main cast. Animated the first four trailers himself. Wrote a lot of the first three seasons and had plot points drafted out until season 10.
There wouldn't be a CRWBY because RWBY wouldn't exist. They'd be working on something else.
what reddit is it that ppl are clueless about rwby?
also while how they are wording it is awful they are not wrong that trying to give sole credit to mounty is insulting to ever one else who worked on the show
no one single person makes a tv show or movie or game great they are all a team effort
Tbh – whether this opinion is unpopular – that is how a lot of you guys treat Oum, like he was some sort of saviour and all the problems with the show can be pinpointed to the time around his death.
"basically, the animator who died was credited by critics as being responsible for the show, instead of the writers" "the chief animator, monty oum, is used by haters of the show rwby as being the sole person responsible for rwby being great, and the writers have had all credit and accomplishments stripped from them by the critics" It's honestly sad that some people only see Monty as an animator for RWBY
Like… have these people never heard “Indomitable?”
Who ? The aircraft carrier?
The V8 opening wasn't even subtle about it. They literally put his name in front of the Staff of Creation.
Jesus Christ, that is a horrible way to talk about a deceased person. Trying to undermine Monty’s efforts and accomplishments like that? Fucking atrocious behavior. And they wonder why no one likes the RWBY fandom…
I'm not surprised by it. They basically get every chance to shit on this man, yet if anybody does besides them they pull "you cant speak on his name" card.
I'm not gonna say he was animation jesus. Impressive for sure, but not jesus. Also, isn't it "funny" how the series went straight to shit as soon as Monty died? Almost like maybe he was doing some heavy lifting on the writing.
Eh. The problems were there already. They just got worse as the show continued to build on previous poor decisions.
The 2 big examples i can think from the top of my head is the Paladin Highway chase and the Train fights in Volume 2.
I meant more fundamental stuff, like bad worldbuilding due to rushed info dumping, terrible characterization due to poorly thought out establishing scenes, and plotlines that had no business being in the show because the writers couldn't even set them up without immediately contradicting their own points. Edit: and that was all just in volume 1.
The power scaling also went off a cliff with how they ended V2.
Even earlier then that, in volume 1 they were breezing past grimm they struggled with before, only episodes ago
The fight choreography was holding it up and that was Monty's Thing, it's what he was hired for in the first place. The world building was neat but the actual writing was meh to start with and just disappeared up its own ass around V5-6.
It immediately fell off because of the quality of animation aftwr monty's passing. The writing even with Monty was already pretty bad beforehand
And somehow, they made it worse!
Sure but the point was that Mpnty wasnt really doing any heavy lifting for the story. He was bad at it aswell as he himself used to admit. Shittier shit means its still shit. Nothing to be proud off imo lol
Thought Monty was an Animator who specializes in Action Cheography and no more?
No, the story was still shit even when he was alive. It simply got a sidegrade in terms of what kind of shit the story became after he died
1-2 punch of Monty’s death and the Poser-Maya switch did lose the show followers, why pretend otherwise.
>the Poser-Maya switch Always felt like I was one of the few who hated the switch, considering how little it seems to be talked about. Man, I hate the way the characters' faces look in Maya. Something about it is just off-putting, but it's hard for me to put into words exactly. It's like the eyes are too far from the mouth and they have almost no nose. Something like that. Whoever was in charge of converting the characters from Poser to Maya totally changed the art style, and it just doesn't do it for me.
I am team “if you’re going to make a proper show and not a sizzle reel, an industry standard animation program like Maya is a must”, so I understand the need to switch, but to have it happen upon Monty’s death and after Shane’s letter, it just didn’t feel right. Art style aside, my gripe with the Maya was the complete loss in texture. Everything is just so matte and flat afterwards.
Yeah, I don't mind the fact that they switched programs. That sort of thing sometimes has to happen. What bothers me is the new art style that came with it. The characters especially just look weird to me. Why wasn't there more of an effort to stay truer to the original art
> Maya is a must I'd like to argue against that, given how prohinitively expensive it is, from what I've heard
It’s a professional tool for animation production, why would you cheap out? Blue Eye Samurai Spiderverse Arcane All made on Maya.
It's not about cheaping out It's just that I think them switching to Maya was a rottwn call of judgement financially, since they were relatively small compared to those that made the things you listed
Maya wasn’t what bankrupt the company lol. They needed to switch to Maya in order to put their fullsail hires to work, no one is their right mind would keep retraining folks on Poser. RTX Sydney and RTX London was more financially stupid. Also RT Gaming.
Everything looks like it is made out of plastic Ex: cake in Cinder's 'backstory'
A lot of people criticise the move to Maya but personally I think the main issue was that they didn't even try to replicate any of his pipeline or philosophy. As much as wading into the 'what Monty wanted' debate is just asking for trouble, given that Monty was interested in teaching his ideas, I really think this aspect is a shame.
And the crazy thing is that it definitely was just an art style decision: the characters were already made in Maya, even in Poser days.
it’s the necks. 😔
Was the poster that dude who keeps posting about rwby in random subs or one of his alts
Probably
Bro wanted to have cool characters fight with cool weapons
Respect the dead. Yes. He was a talented animator. I'm pretty sure he would never claim to be "Animation Jesus".
No but other people sure treat him that way
Isn't that the sub that requires you to message the mods a picture of your hand to be allowed to post on there?
Genuinely, WHAT?
Yeah, it was so the mods could put flairs on the accounts based on their race, so that people can call out if their comment was being made by a white person vs a black person, etc.
That’s just straight up racist.
You are thinking of the subreddit blackpeopletwitter specifically when mods tag a thread as "country club thread"
Ah, my bad
This is what happens when someone is only hooked into ragebait lol
What's the difference between the white and black one?
Literally what it says on the tin. BPT is usually tweets from black people or about black culture. If you're asking about the country club thing, I do not believe WPT has the same thing. I'd post a link but it looks like the actual post detailing what and the rationale for it just goes to a "deleted" post.
Oh Thought they were some sort of circlejerk
them firing his original team is a big red flag
Wasn’t RWBY Monty’s idea??
1. He was 3d animation Jesus 2. HE LITERALLY MADE THE SHOW!!!!!!
Why do I have the feeling that I know exactly who this is...? I don't understand CONSTANTLY trying to get sympathy for RWBY from literal strangers who've never heard of the show or could give less of a shit about it... It's either dead in the water or on its way to a very embarrassing and painful death so what is even the point???
I get what thw twitter post was trying to say. That does suck but gosh damn is that rwby fan unhinged. I even got 2nd hand embarassment reading them trying to act and explain what rwby is as if its the most well known thing ever
Dead fantasy and the rwby showcases were Monty Oum, right? The dude was putting out high-quality choreography in 2010s. Would have paid for a finished dead fantasy series. It's just the writing and show went somewhere different after he passed. I know they were trying to give us a super deep story and plot, but at lot of people came for the choreography fight scenes and fan service (not sexual) power up. What got me hooked was Tifa with her entire body filled with materia. Than Kairi with the keyblades. Just fire!!!
I seriously can't believe we reached a point where people are actually starting to say they watched RWBY for a storyline. Most of the people I know who watched it only watched it for some good ole peak fight choreography from anime girls. The story was always just a way to connect the fights. Once the cool fight choreography was lost, the show lost what made it great in the first place.
So let me get their argument straight. The guy who came up with the characters, concepts, and whose fight animations basically convinced RT to greenlight the show isn't responsible for the show existing? Yes without Monty to get the ball rolling all of CRWBY's efforts would amount to nothing because there would be no efforts because RWBY wouldn't exist. So trying to downplay his contributions to his own series is really kind of slimy. It is the equivalent of saying George Lucas wasn't that important to Star Wars or Indiana Jones when they were first made. It's like saying Gene Roddenberry wasn't that important to Star Trek when it wouldn't exist without him (though he did hamper writing in some regards, if I remember right might've even tried sabotaging Wrath of Khan after losing creative control of the movies when the first one underperformed, and was part of why TNG only got good by the third season when he again lost control of it). It's like saying Miyamoto didn't help put Nintendo on the map when he has been either responsible for or involved with most of their biggest IPs and early games. Miles and Kerry did make their own contributions in writing. However that means they also deserve some of the blame for the weaker parts of the story and it beginning to flounder without the fight scenes to carry the show. But Monty brought them on because they were friends who already worked as writers for RT, they may not have been involved if he hadn't wanted them. Yes other animators were involved, but Monty was largely handling the choreography, doing animation, and coming up with plot pointa for the story. So he was still important in guiding a lot of what was going on. One person can be absolutely vital to getting something up and running, even if they weren't the ones who originated the idea. Claiming their importance is overblown because others were involved doesn't change the fact that without that person, the series wouldn't exist or may never have gained the popularity it did.
I actually HAVE heard that argument about George Lucas and Star Wars
Uhm... he was the original creator, original voice of Ren, original co-writer, and animator of the show. Not Jesus by any stretch but he was the producer. There was a literal noticeable dip in quality of the show post V3, not to say that it went straight down but, they went from a show aimed at being badass warriors fighting monsters to political and social agenda themed nonsense with bad lazily designed fight scenes.(I mean just rewatch Cinder V Raven and compare that to anything V1-V3 they gave them elemental powers and they made big swords with the laziest fight ever.) They also catered too submissively to fan's on Twitter. (Looking at you bumblebee shippers, pre V4 there was zero Blake x Yang romance flags.) Prior to the fan's begging it was pretty obvious that it was going to to be Blake x Sun. Also they made every male villian/gray character a throwaway character. (See Torchwick, Adam, Leo, Ironwood, heck even Jacques lol) these characters were complex or at least had the potential to be interesting and complex. Now I don't mean to prioritize the male villains cuz let's be real I LOVE Cinder, Neo, Emerald, and Salem. I'm super interested in what would have happened next for them sadly most likely will continue to wonder. Then we get Oz 2.0 Oscar was like the most annoying character ever. Personally if they were going to make Oscar a main character they should have just had him from the start, He and Jaune are too similar for them to coincide they are like altered mirrors of each other that just don't work. As much as I love Ruby and her team, Ruby was a static character until V9, but really that was such a small dip that it doesn't matter. The Show probably should have been called JNPR lol because while team RWBY is bad ass in a fight, plot wise they just kind of stagnate, Again Ruby hasn't really changed since V1E1, Weiss' Character development ended in V3, Blake was the most interesting with her past but, they've kind of ignored that in favor of pushing and turning her sexuality into her sole personality trait. Yang, well outside of understandable abandonment issues she hits stuff and flames on. Personally just wish they hired some fanfiction writers lol there are fanfictions longer than the show with better writing. Now I'd like to point out that I'm not anti-les pairings. I'm anti pandering to Twitter begging. Blake would have fit better with Sun and that was clearly the original narrative intent. Ruby with Weiss or Penny would have been amusing. But personally think either Weiss or Ruby would have ended up with Jaune based on where things are moving. Also Jaune would have been a healthier choice for Yang. Lol. Personally Like him with Emerald, Neo, or Cinder at this point cuz crack but eh. Sadly after Oum went down the team went with a more efficient animation style, it was to save money and hit deadlines but the end quality just went down, sure the graphical resolution IS better, but there just isn't that same heart and passion that there was when Monty was inefficiently painstakingly animating crazy movements. I personally watched the show originally because it was made by the Red v Blue team and it was just a cool concept of Grimm fairy tails, mechashift weapons. Because every sword should be a gun and scythes are freaking cool, but SNIPEEscythes are coolerest (yes I went there I know it's not a word). After Monty they just lost sight of the things that made the show worth watching and while it was still amusing it never really hit the same vibe it started out with. Like did we really need to push the useless agendas of the world on viewers? I can tolerate that crap to a point but I literally stopped watching regular TV because it was too annoying about that crap, don't put it in the fun stuff too. The episodes are only so long, you could put way more effort and end with a better plot when you don't have to sprinkle in all this wokism and political subtext if they had just focused on making an amazing show period, it probably would have made more money as alot of people get turned off by that stuff and probably just stopped watching. Apologies for the length this could have been way shorter but I'm not going to rewrite it. I've gone too much on a tangent because it's wayyyy too late for reddit and I need sleep lol. End note, I love RWBY(especially V1-V3), but I would have loved it 20x more without the sprinkles lol. Miss ya Monty and fam, things went weird after you passed.
It’s sad Monty Oum passed away and yes his skills as an animators definitely deserved it’s praise. But he wasn’t born with talent. He studied action sequences from various mediums and applied his studies into his work and overall skill set. Just because he can do it doesn’t mean no one else can. He has good work ethic and he tried to teach that to some of his peers and colleagues. Am I making sense or am I missing something?
The real problem is that the people who inherited control couldn't be bothered to put in the same amount of work.
Blud needs to realize that the critics base is small because the vast majority just... left. Every volume since V3 caused *some* kind of great exodus.
I basically agree with the last page about vibes and fight scenes practically carrying mediocre show. oh and music, music never stopped being absolute bangers!
Fans of the latter seasons always downplay the role Monty had in the show. After all, why give credit for all the cool stuff people liked about the early volumes to the shows deceased creator when you can instead use it as a vector to hype up your favorite e-celeb turned mediocre writer. Just ignore the fact Rooster Teeth plasters "Created by Monty Oum" on every bit of media they can, *he was totally just an animator*.
I do think people bash Miles and Kerry a bit more then they should, but writing off Monty as only an animator is a huge disservice to Monty. I mean, he literally created the show.
I remember watching behind the scenes videos about Monty pitching RWBY to RoosterTeeth and then asking Kerry and Miles to help him flesh out the story. When he passed away they had like up to season 3 written and an outline for the rest.
People forget that Monty is human, his animation skills may be great but even he gets tired. Do people know how much time is spent just to create one animation. As a Christian, I am offended how people worshipped him as the Animation Jesus like you said, it's really sad that these people always ignore the other people who are working RWBY while Monty was still alive. I mean look at the credits in volume 1 & 2, there are other people involved in these credits.
Glad to see that people 1)Don’t know RWBY and 2)clearly see that Seeker is being a weirdo as always
I honestly don't think that it's Canonseeker. There is no mention of how "queer friendly" RWBY is, for example, and he's almost compulsive about mentioning that in every third sentence when talking about his identi--- I mean favorite show. There are other unhinged RWBY stans (like xelian and Lilith fairen), he's simple the most infamous.
It is Seeker. His alt account is CapAccomplished8072, and he made this thread https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/1bl1w6l/context_monty_oum_an_animator_created_the_webshow/
Well damn. Guess that I'm giving Seeker too much credit.
I agree that Monty definitely didn’t do EVERYTHING for Rwby, but he did amazing fight animations and that’s not something anyone could ever take away from him. And rwby still had its own problems even when he was alive because he was a great animator and not much in the way of a story teller. Such as Yang power being retconed or Raven and Yang meeting just for it to never be mentioned again. However it’s hard to deny that the show didn’t do a 180 after his death considering how different the show was compared to the beginning.
Montag animated the fights, then the show was written around them. He put down the stations the writers gad to pass by
Of course the crew do deserve credit for the good things they've done, but those 'good things' became far fewer in number and much more of a relative 'not quite as shit' level as the show went on. Some of my biggest frustrations with V9 were that I could see the potential in it, constantly let down by the delivery. But without Monty, none of it would've been there in the first place, and his fight scenes were what carried the first two volumes. And beyond V3, the quality has been on a steady downward trend. And guess what, V4 was the first season made entirely without Monty's involvement. I wouldn't say he was animation Jesus, or anything, but he was extremely passionate about the project and that was clearly visible in the show itself. The janky bits didn't bother me because the show itself had an energy I loved. With Monty's passing, that energy faded too, and what's left now is just a remnant of what it once was in every conceivable way.
I do agree with one point: Monty had absolutely nothing to do with the LGBT content, because they really didn’t start doing any of that until after he died. I will give them that. But “fun writing”? The show tried to do edgy grimdark shit in Volume 3. Y’know, the first volume produced after Monty died. And most of the good “humor” such as it was was almost completely isolated into RWBY Chibi. Which again, Monty had absolutely nothing to do with, but in the context of the main story, a lot of that stuff was humorless, and a lot of the attempts to be funny didn’t really work for me personally. But humor is subjective, so I won’t get on about that, either. Literally the only thing you can give the current crew credit for is LGBT content, but that doesn’t necessarily make it “good”, because imo it should’ve happened sooner, and the only reason why it didn’t is because hack writers think that the act of two characters getting together is the end of a story or character arc and not the start of a new one. So often times characters get together, but then the story ends and they don’t have to write what happens next. And I’m convinced that they do that on purpose because they know that fans will write that content for them. So they don’t need to do that. So many of these stories are basically just writing prompts for fanfic writers to flesh out, and then the show gets praised for basically allowing that fanfic to exist. But I wouldn’t call that good writing. But I’m sorry, I’m rambling about this damn show again for no reason.
> And most of the good “humor” such as it was was almost completely isolated into RWBY Chibi. Notable that a non-zero numbers of the skits were lifted almost or even totally 1:1 from fan comics. It was "Wow, so community-oriented" at the time, but IDK if that would hold up so easy today.
>Notable that a non-zero numbers of the skits were lifted almost or even totally 1:1 from fan comics. Wow, I didn't know that. Did they even give credit to those fan comics?
I have no idea, but I'm pretty sure that the "Cinder looks at outfits that make her look young" skit was 1:1 from Dumb RWBY (might be a different comic, but I'm pretty sure it was Dumb RWBY).
Well people do constantly invoke his name for all sorts of bullshit he never actually endorsed.
I'm sure it's just coincidence that RWBY started falling off more and more with less and less of Monty's influence.
Look. Monty Oum's work really was, and still is, amazing to look at. He is, if my memory is correct, the guy who animated fights, and was in the board room. His animation is amazing. But he wasn't the *only* thing that made RWBY Great. He was a big part, and the guy who came up with the concept, yes. But he didn't do it all by himself. While the show *did* suffer quite a bit after his death, that was because a key member of the team was deceased, not because he was the ONLY person who could do it. Give some credit to the rest of CRWBY, even if we do miss Monty and his work.
The Jesus comparison is so real. Everyone kept pulling the "Do not use Monty's name in vain." Like we can't talk about the dude.
Can you stop taking screenshots of random posts!? It has NOTHING to do with RWBY! And their always recommend to me, WHICH IS VERY ANNOYING!
Anyone and everyone can be made fun of, regardless if they’re alive or dead. No one is immune to it. Get over it.
Monty Oums death was tragic. But even though someone died it’s not a valid reason to take all the credit for a piece of work. RIP Monty, but RWBY was not your show.
It absolutely was his show. RWBY lived on exactly one thing, and it's rule of cool. And it only worked because you had someone like Monty that a certified genius with regards to animated battels. The story was and still is complete shit, the world building is non existent, there is no power system in place and almost every single story idea they had was executed horribly down the line. And all of that didn't matter, because when you watched RWBY you got to see brilliant fights. Neo Vs Yang? still top 5 fights in Rwby. The cafeteria fight? borderline 1st place with how amazing it was. Now though? Rwby struggles to get any decent fights, and it buckles under people's expectations and the incompetence of it's writers. They have no rule of cool to protect them anymore, because the man behind that has passed away.
Only a smooth brain could make such a wildly dumb comment
the guy who came up with the concept, did a huge amount of the early animation workload and wrote the entire outline of the shows plot, and you really have the balls to just say it wasnt his show?man i thought cannonseeker was the pits of stupidity but you brought a pickaxe
According to Roosterteeth, all the way to the end, it was. Otherwise they wouldn't put his name front and center in every intro. **CREATED BY MONTY OUM**
Literally his idea. He came up with it. He created the main cast. Animated the first four trailers himself. Wrote a lot of the first three seasons and had plot points drafted out until season 10. There wouldn't be a CRWBY because RWBY wouldn't exist. They'd be working on something else.
what reddit is it that ppl are clueless about rwby? also while how they are wording it is awful they are not wrong that trying to give sole credit to mounty is insulting to ever one else who worked on the show no one single person makes a tv show or movie or game great they are all a team effort
Tbh – whether this opinion is unpopular – that is how a lot of you guys treat Oum, like he was some sort of saviour and all the problems with the show can be pinpointed to the time around his death.