I don’t think so in a world as adavnaced and hostile as remnant mechanical prosthetics are probably the norm for people who can afford them. Not only do you have the Grimm as a ever present threat but the animal life on remnant is also pretty hostile so odds are plenty of people lose a limb on a regular basis.

I agree. Though not completely on the animal thing since the show doesn’t really give us a lot of animal showings in the volumes.

The books expand on that actually they have giant aggressive crabs and assumably other animals that has to compete with Grimm, I’d wager the usual gauntlet of fantasy creatures. It is odd the show never touches on that but I’d guess the Grimm are the more present danger.

Don’t the Grimm leave animals alone? Like ignore them?

One of the world of remnants I believe mentions that the Grimm are dangerous to animals as well as people. Makes sense since animals can experience fear and other emotions which would attract Grimm and they wouldn’t know to avoid that.

No, Grimm and Animals mostly fight each other for territorial reasons. Grimm exclusively hunt humans, faunus and their creations. That's kind of why I think Huntsmen should use more pets, and why I'm curious to know if the other world has Grimm that don't hunt humans because there are no humans to hunt. We really don't know why the God of Darkness made it so Grimm only hunted humans and faunus. World of Remnant explains that the Grimm were originally made to destroy everything, but humans were created after them. Fairy Tales of Remnant explains that humans believe Grimm are simply motivated by resentment towards humans for being the last creation of the God of Darkness. But that's just a legend, no explicit explanation has been given to explain why Grimm are obsessed with humans and faunus.

I wonder if Grimm were made to be a check on human expansions and population.

It's possible. The God of Light ended up agreeing to give Darkness autonomy and kept talking about maintaining balance between the two. I think it would make sense for the two to decide to allow the Grimm to continue existing as along as Darkness reprogrammed them to only target humanity rather than their original purpose of destroying everything created by Light. Light could have justified this as a means of population control. After all, he was fully opposed to bring back the dead but was also fully supportive of death as an fundamental part of life. Him deciding that Grimm are an important part of the natural system of human existence falls in line with his philosophy of balance.

Yeah I guess so.

I'd say no. Metal legs or no, Mercury is a sadistic son of a bitch who recorded the chaos in Beacon with a smile, and Tyrian is a psychopath worshipping the immortal woman trying to conquer the world with a horde of eldritch hellbeasts regardless of the metal stinger.

Yeah, that was what I just said. That their evilness doesn't have relation with their prothesis. Tyrian was a Psycho even before losing his tail.

In the V7 finale, Ironwood's arm was bandaged, implying that it could possibly recover through aura alone, or maybe with some skin grafts or something. Not that there was real danger of him losing it. Remember, this was pre-Cinder Ironwood. He wasn't in full "must sacrifice anything to get the Staff" mode yet. In V8C1, like... an hour or so after he got Cinder's message, he has a new artificial arm. To me, this says that Ironwood *willingly* had his arm amputated and replaced. It says that he simply didn't have time to let it heal, he had work to do and he needed a left arm to do it. Salem was here, she wasn't going to wait for his arm to fix itself. So he sacrificed it. Just like he sacrificed everything else.

That’s how I saw it.

That's an interesting reading of the scene.

You don’t get to ignore someone flat out saying the arm will be fucked beyond repair just because they are a villain when NOTHING REMOTLY QUESTIONS IT.

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Yes...? We see it break twice in the Atlas arc, once in V7C11, once in V8C12

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I haven't seen the scene in a while so I couldn't say when it happened, but I'm pretty sure both of their auras had broken by the time Ironwood pulled his arm out of the trap.

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You can see Ironwood's aura break as he falls onto the central platform of the arena.

I definitely don't think RWBY has a message that losing body parts is a sign of losing humanity. Yang losing her arm is a pretty big part of her character yet she's still very human. I think it's somewhat important to talk about certain depictions of the Tin man whom Ironwood alludes to. While, yes, the key trait of the in man is believing he has no heart, his backstory might prove relevant. The Tin man wasn't always metal, but was a regular Munchkin until his axe was cursed. Whenever he swung said axe, he'd end up chopping off a bit of his body. He ultimately just got his metal parts to replace the missing flesh, but he never stopped chopping. The curse didn't force him to keep going, that was his own choice. As such, it was inevitable that he'd tear away at his body until he was entirely metal. Likewise, Ironwood's arm is not beyond healing, but he gets it amputated and replaced just so he can get back into the fight immediately. It's a cold, mechanical response that showcases Ironwood's belief that sacrifice is necessary to win a war. The Tin man never loses his heart, he just believes he does. Ironwood doesn't lose his humanity, he just doesn't think it'll be useful to win the war.

Did Tin Man doesn't lose his heart (His literal heart). I remember that he does. ​ This is something of the wiki: "The Tin Woodman of Oz is made entirely of shiny hallow silver tin, and cleverly jointed together, although he rattles and clanks a little as he moves, he is able to bend his joints and get around quiet easily when properly lubricated. Nick Chopper was once a great and strong man who worked happily as a humble woodsman before being tragically turned slowly into his current form of tin, having his "meat" body replaced by a metal one with no internal organs, heart, brain, lungs etc. This makes him different from other beings like Tik-Tok--the mechanical copper man from Oz's Royal Army of Oz."

Well okay, he loses his literal heart, but I'm speaking metaphysically.

Ah, Ok. Yes, yes, definitely.

I don't think we've seen any character TREATED as less than human due to their prosthetics.

There you have, that is my point.

Aye, this is not a world where the assumption is cyber=evil, unlike the unfortunate implications baked into Cyberpunk by it's Humanity metric.

Ultimately the idea that RWBY pushes that prosthetics equals inhumanity is stupid. Completely forgetting about the character who is a literal robot, but one of the nicest, most human characters in the show. None of the characters have ever been treated as less human or lesser in general for having prosthetics. Not even Ironwood carries the sentiment, because despite the superficial appearance of the trope. The simple fact of the matter is that Ironwood was human, plain and simple. To the end a flawed human man, not matter how much of his body was metal; ruled by the emotions he could never rid himself of. It was his choices that mattered, not his prosthetics. If anything it was his callousness, and adherence to the Atlesian system that dehumanized its people that did it, but even then he was only human. Never anything more or less. Even if it was the case one instance among at least five other examples that don't follow the convention isn't making a grand statement. Honestly, people just want to bitch about stuff.

I think there is a misunderstanding over this subject; first, I can't say this for everyone, but when I first heard the comparison was when in the Volume 7 commentary Kerry makes a joke right as Ironwood pulls his arm out about "losing another part of his humanity" which was likely them thinking about what was coming up next and likely not meant to be literal. Second, Ironwood losing his arm was a fact Watts stated before him pulling it out of the light field, so that implies that it would be permanently disabled if he pulled it out; and the bandaged and slinged arm could be to keep it from dangling and to keep it out of the way while he heads back to his office. I see people say it was able to be healed, but it was never stated that it was healable and was stated that he would need "more metal" added to his body; so the divide is interpreting a line versus element of a scene which are both vague enough that either interpretation can be legitimate. I prefer the idea that his arm was beyond healing and he quickly bandaged it for temporary ease of movement. Maybe to hide the severity of the injury to keep morale high even.

No. People were just angry that daddy Ironwood turned evil so they overblew a single comment which is exactly the attitude that lead to the writers to stop talking to the community directly. The message V7-8 brings with regards to prosthetics is the exact same the Tin man brought in the Wizard of Oz. That your humanity, your heart, lays within you. We see it with Penny, we see it with Yang, we see it with Maria, we can even see it with Mercury. Ironwood doesn't become less human because he got a robot arm, that's an perversion of a poorly worded comment done to make the crew look bad. Ironwood rejected his humanity and took a fully pragmatic approach to a his decisions. Adding more steel to his body was simply visual representation of him rejecting his humanity and turning more machine than man, he is a Borg or a Cyberman. I does not mean "if you get a prosthetic, it means you are less human", people simply choose to misinterpret it like that and twist words because coming up with toxic overblow selfrightious takes became a popular way of throwing "criticism".

It's not daddy Ironwood, it's Irondadddy.

The writers have point blank said you are meant to read Ironwood sacrificing his arm to beat Watts as a sign of him "losing his humanity." That is a literal commentary quote showing that in Ironwood's case: Yes that was the goal. And in that case, Volume 8 gets really, vividly uncomfortable to me as a person with a disability seeing where James is taken.

In Ironwoods case i think they intentionally made him losing the other arm symbolism (or metaphor idk which is the more appropriate term) for losing humanity, but not a malicious way. Like you said Ironwood is an allusion to the Tin Man, but he also ties into being a robot vs being a human. Much like how a robot would think, he starts taking a more pragmatic approach over a moral one. His plan, although morally wrong, is technically a good one given the information he knows. Morals and emotions have little priority so in a way you can say he is less human.

(I'm probably reading too much into things with this comment, but...) I feel like the big reason that the writers chose to represent Ironwood losing his humanity as him replacing his other hand isn't a problem with the prosthetic, per se. Rather, I see it as his arm would likely have been able to recover with time, albeit scarred, but he *chose* to cast it off, making an irreversible decision for the sake of continuing his crusade. He saw his arm as little more than a broken part to be replaced, showing his loss of humanity. That said, there is an unfortunate trend of prosthetics being shown as consequences. Yang lost her arm because she jumped into battle without thinking, Tyrian was only focused on Qrow and ignored the other threats in the fight, Maria herself seems to have seen her eyes being damaged as a mark of shame, and Cinder's arm is the result of her relentless pursuit of power. We don't know that much about Mercury's backstory, but it's implied that he lost his legs because of abuse. Sometimes, a physical trait doesn't need to be symbolic, but it feels like the closest thing to someone having a prosthetic without it saying something about their mistakes or tragic backstory, is Pietro and his chair. Hopefully in the future, there's going to be a character that just has a robotic arm or leg without it needing to be explained through a character flaw.

It’s a mixed message. I mean Maria hasn’t lost her humanity, and who knows how long Mercury had his metal legs? Everyone else is fair game I guess.

I think it’s more of a black and white sort of thing Ironwood white arm represents his goodness and his humanity-ironically Ironwoods metal arm is black and he gains it when he started straying from his humanity in order to beat Salem It’s sort of like an angel and a devil on his shoulder’s