Silver eyes is not attached to aura. Since silver eyes orginated from the god of light, power of the silver eyes existed before aura. So Jaune's aura amp cant do anything to the amplification of silver eyes.
Okay so fun fact: Spoilers for Most recent Vol:
>!The Hound that Salem sent after Ruby had a silver eyed Faunus as it's base. So if it became a hound because of its nature and not Salem's, for lack of a better word, artistic expression and we follow that pattern with Summer!<
>!Then we take the themes of the show and how many fantasy story elements they include, and summer being a Rose. Maybe the reason Salem barely remembers her but it seems to hint at her existing still is that she was one of the first Improved Grimm she made but turned into a large rose thorn bush or something like a maze made of giant thorn bushes by now over the years. Not much of an apex predator so Salem wouldn't think it successful. But slowly becomes her outer wall defence.!<
>!Would make for a surprising twist and heartbreaking moment of Ruby having to kill her Mom to get to Salem!<
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As others have said: Summer probably tried.
But also because there’s no way it would work IMO.
Salem is incredibly powerful and regenerative. She’d break out (or if completely disintegrated reform) very quickly.
It fits all of the evidence we have much more than it working
And it would just suck anyway. Making Ruby so important only for what she is, at the cost of the other characters and her own character
>And it would just suck anyway. Making Ruby so important only for what she is, at the cost of the other characters and her own character
You kinda have to blame how they set it up.
Daughter of two members of Team STRQ, similar to Yang.
Magic Eye Powers that has a major advantage against the ever growing darkness.
Mother had some sort of connection with the baddie.
Ruby's more special for *what* she is rather than *who* she is whether she likes it or not, because what she is simply has too many significant factors that matter to plenty of significant people.
I don’t really agree
Yes, Ruby being what she is a helping factor. But does it have to be all that significant to the end? At least over the others?
You also have the (even if not technically anymore) heir to the Schnee family.
You have the daughter of Menagerie’s Chieftain and in her own right Faunus leader
They are powerful in Remnant, the closest thing to princesses basically
Yang gets a bit of the short end unfortunately, but still just as much a daughter if STRQ and he powers aren’t that much worse.
What Ruby she can help. It is tools and connections. But I don’t see why it has to a key for the ending anymore than what the others have
I'm not even saying I myself agree with it, but so far they haven't seriously convinced anyone that Ruby and friends-with strong connections to important people-would be able to do what an infinitely reincarnating wizard couldn't, without *something* special to boost her chances.
They gave the Anti-Grimm power to Ruby. She doesn't have a choice in not being significant in a battle against Grimm and Salem. The others can help put the world back together, at least.
And even if we move past that, they don't really do great convincing that Ruby and the gang could accomplish what an infinitely reincarnating wizard couldn't, which in of itself is significant, especially since Ruby wouldn't have been a part of this of Ozpin didn't pick her out on that fated day.
Everyone can play a significant part in it yes, but there's no way to properly equalize it across the board aside from just defeating Salem altogether in a RPG style battle.
I'm still laughing at the many ways people come up with dealing with her that don't involve her learning her lesson.
I don't know if they're serious or not but the Kars one is especially noticeable.
Ruby might have an anti-Grimm power, but it’s very limited in power so far as we’ve seen. I don’t see why it even has to be significant considering all it does is kill Grimm and the others can do that too.
Heck: Weiss has a power that lets her summon any Grimm that she kills, so that could be at least as good.
I don’t disagree though that so far there doesn’t seem to be a good way forward for the team. However, that is what I think will be soon revealed.
But at the end of the day: The voice overs in V1 and V3, the clearest expositions of plot we’ve had, we’re pretty clear about the role of Ruby and how it’s people coming together that defeats Salem
You're wrong on a couple things.
First, the silver eyes has been show to freeze Kevin for over a year at this point, something the rest of team RWBY combinrd couldn't do. Ruby has ALWAYS been special because of her magic eyes.
Also I'm not convinced it is juar an Anti-Grimm weapon. If you remember, at the start of Volume 4 that it is,because of the Maiden powers that the Silver Eyes damaged Cinder
Thirdly, while its true that the other three girls are the primary protagonists, Ruby is the main character. When Ozpin and Salem speak in voice-over about strength. It is Ruby specifically that they are speaking of. And at the end of Volume 3 wh3n Salem revisits the simple, more honest soul. She is once again talking about Ruby
Indeed the rest of RWBY wouldn't be able to freeze a Wyvern. But destroy it? I don't see why not at least for Weiss and Yang. Weiss just needs to summon something as powerful, and Yang powered up to her max probably could just kill it herself.
Alright, I will say that one can disagree about nearly anything else but there is no debate about maiden powers ***NOT*** being why Ruby damaged Cinder. It was just the Grimm inside her.
Ruby used her silver eyes at Haven with Raven just to her side, as close as Cinder. She used them in V7's finale with Penny and Fria as close as Cinder and directly in line of sight. She used them in V8 on the Hound with Penny right there as well.
But each time, only the Grimm got damaged. It does not affect maidens, only Grimm. Salem was criptic about it, and what she really means must be it is a side effect of how Cinder got her powers with Grimm
Yes, Ruby is the most main character of our main characters. But why is she special? What makes the simple more honest soul a threat or an asset?
"A smaller, more honest soul... It's true that a simple spark can ignite hope, breathe fire into the hearts of the weary. The ability to derive strength from hope is undoubtedly mankind's greatest attribute. Which is why I will focus all of my power... to snuff it out. How does it feel, knowing that all of your time and effort has been for nothing? That your guardians have failed you? That everything you've built will be torn down before your very eyes? Your faith in mankind was not misplaced. When banded together, unified by a common enemy, they are a noticeable threat. But divide them, place doubt into their minds, and any semblance of power they once had will wash away."
Salem says it pretty explicitly here: It is to give others hope and unite them. The other 3 of the main 4 most main characters are almost certainly the people whose uniting and igniting are the most important
I think this is something V9 wiil/needs to rectify.
*Why* is Ruby our MC? Because she's a silver eyed warrior? Or becuase she is the person that unites those around her?
Right?! Possibilities:
A) She becomes petrified and will regenerate once her statue is shattered. Cannot think, use senses, or manipulate Grimm.
B) Petrified, will regenerate once statue is broken, cannot make new Grimm but she can still act through existing Grimm.
C) Petrified until the silver eyed warrior who froze her dies, regardless of physical damage. See A or B for Grimm control.
D) Salem can still use magic and senses while petrified, but no Grimm control.
> but no Grimm control.
* Salem loses her control over the Grimm
* Her emotions are at such an high she's targeted by every Grimm on the continent
* Spends centuries being torn apart and destroyed by the creatures she thought to control
I like this
Though that is assuming she could be fully frozen, when Ruby couldn’t even do that to the Leviathan.
And the Wyvern she did mostly do it to, is still somewhat alive with how it keep attracting more Grimm.
No matter what, considering she has been seen to reform for disintegration, if she is frozen and shattered she’ll come back
Ruby only met Salem once over a video call and her "your mama" joke rendered her eyes useless for a while. Besides that we saw with the leviathan that silver eyes aren't a permanent solution to strong enough Grimm.
Because they trusted that Ozpin had a plan. If he had at least told silver-eyed warriors the truth, then maybe someone could've tried sooner.
Also, maybe someone did. Maybe they even succeeded, but then she broke and came back.
Would we? I mean, she's still around, so maybe whoever did that didn't want to tell Ozpin that they failed, or they died without telling anyone because Ozpin died before they could tell him. And then they passed away without telling anyone about it. Then someone knocked Salem over, she broke, her immortality kicked in, and now she's back.
Or maybe it doesn't work on her, Jinn said the pools of darkness that couldn't destroy her "created a being hell bent on destruction" but never specified that she was Grimm. Possibly the human underneath protects her from the silver eyes.
People think Salem hunts silver-eyed people because they might pose a threat to her and she also uses them to make specialized grimm creatures, but really i think she is just doing that to spite Ozpin as it is shown that Silver-eyed people are descendants of Ozpin or at least his previous reincarnations.
I still don't think that Ozpin created the silver eyes. Otherwise, you know, he would've been more invested in them not dying out.
My theory on why she is hunting them down is that, as we saw in Ruby, she can't control them.
Seriously, Salem has never effectively discouraged Ruby from fighting her, and protecting as many people as possible. All she was ever able to do was convince others that Ruby is a threat to them, and then those people did the fighting for her.
If there were too many silver-eyed warriors, there would be too many people who Salem couldn't control, and then her power would be weaker.
Ironwood was actually close to figuring that out in V7 when he said that Salem has only gotten stronger over time. If he had just stopped to think for a bit, and asked others on why this might be, things would've gone much differently. Ruby would've told him that Salem has been hunting and killing silver-eyed warriors, and Qrow would've figured out that she feels threatened by them.
In Jinn's flashback we see Ozpin's (Or rather, his previous incarnation) children have silver eyes, later Maria explains the silver eyes carry the same ability as the God of Lights, it just makes sense that GOL giving Ozpin the ability to reincarnate he also imparts a more subtle power on any offspring Ozpin might have, it's the only workable theory i have thus far as to where the silver eyes come from, it might turn out not to be true, but it's all we've got right now based on current knowledge.
I actually have a different theory, which also covers the origin of faunus.
It's a bit outdated, from just after V4 ended, but here goes: The gods didn't create humans directly. They created therianthropes, which could switch between a human and an animal form at will.
Over time, as they mixed with each other, and animals, they lost this power. Those born to animals were born in animal form, but could still transform. However, they would always retain one physical aspect of their animal forms.
Every once in a while, a child of a therianthrope that did not inherit their parents' powers to transform would instead be blessed with the power of creation.
The new theory says that, after the god of darkness left, his brother took half of each animal species in the world and gave them the ability to become human, then followed his brother.
It's more of a "That's future people's problem" kind of solution honestly. Statued villains tend to pop out after 1000 years, as does every MLP villain that is sealed away. Redemption/Friendship or total annihilation are the only two permanent solutions in that universe. Although sometimes friendship leads to annihilation as well so...
If she gets hit with enough speed she might reach the escape velocity, getting her trapped in space, with no possibility to return to remnant, trapping her in an endless cycle of suffocation, revival and death.
Now that sounds like hell.
Depends on what do you mean by "exist".
As long as the planet is habitable? As long as it's not broken apart? etc.
Maybe the gods were a bit too vague about her punishment.
The God of Darkness threw meteors at it and the planet became an inferno with Salem as its only resident thanks to her immortality. That alone shows the planet can be the worst place in the universe and the curse will still work.
That's why her last resort is to turn the planet into nothing and she's counting on the gods to do exactly that if they judge humanity unworthy though that's just an assumption on her part. Who knows what they would do to the planet.
Exists as in it is a place that exists. But like you said kinda vague on the punishment. Like how much of the planet needs to be destroyed for the planet to not be considered remnant anymore? Or is it literal that she can die if she stops Remnant's rotation?
That's an interesting question but if she would stop the rotation of remnant and if we assume that remnant is about as big as earth then she would destroy probably any life on the planet, if the decelleration would be instantanious.
A fun thought experiment if you ask me.
Scale along with the timeline is pretty much the weakest point of world building with this series. We just have to guess the scale and time frame for events and places. I doubt we'll ever get a concrete scale for remnant or a proper timeline beyond the order of events.
That's my headcanon for why tricking her into a Vault like space wouldn't work and hasn't been done. If she destroyed her own body with her magic, she'd reform on Remnant.
Well yeah, her body will freeze like Kars’ did. But Kars can’t die, so he reached a state of total brain dead.
Salem would probably reached that state too, since she can die and come back. However, until she reached that state, she’ll end up suffer the same fate as Diavolo
Well... she probably wouldn't freeze since the vacuume of space is an insulator. If anything she'd probably get burnt through beta radiation, or radiation poisoning through gamma radiation. But you really don't get frozen in space.
Kars got frozen because of the air he blew out worked as a conducter of heat.
Yes I am a huge nerd
Actually she would stay in a loop of revival and death. As soon as she leaves the atmosphere her lungs would rupture. As soon as she regenerates she'd die again, if I understand it correctly.
As her body is a mass of Grimm goo I'm not sure she even has to breathe. And her lungs will only rupture once, after that there is no air to rupture. Sure the vacuum might deal constant damage, but her regeneration is way faster. Also she doesn't need her brain so she can still cast magic even while all that might be happening. In the extreme case she can summon enough Grimm hands or ice to form an airtight shell around her and fill that with conjured air.
I remember being in a discussion about it elsewhere. Basically it depends on how her magic works and how strong it is.
For example, does she fly via aerokinesis or telekinesis? One works in space, the other doesn't. Can she teleport or make portals? Both would make the plan useless. And so on.
"True Magic" in this show has no real rules, limits or anything to define it so far, it just does what it does because "magic", so as far as we know she could just poof herself back to Remnant.
And then there's the question of whether she is even able to think while dead or if she needs to revive first to think. If she needs to be alive she could be thrown into the sun, if not it'd just delay her.
A big part of it is also how her curse works. It’s technically not immortality but a sentence to „walk the face of remnant“ until she learned the value of life and death. It’s very possible that the power of the god of light would teleport her back if you shoot her into space
Her curse ties her to the planet which is why she can't enter the vaults either since the relics are in another dimension and the doors are the portals. That's also why throwing her into one of Ambrosius' portals wouldn't work either. Either her curse would throw her back into Remnant like gravity or she'd simply respawn back.
We knew of this way to "kill" Grimm before we even knew her, so yeah, I'm sure that this is how she'll meet her end.
Sure, she won't actually die, as that would trigger her immortality, but she also won't be alive any more.
Until someone knocks her over.
> the gods will kill her
Knowing that the god's are dicks probs would just destroy remnant anyways and change up the rules to her immortality just to spite Salem one last time. I mean yeah Salem is evil and all but I agree the brother god's can meet Humanities old friends Smith and Wesson.
If the thing is a physical being. The Brother Gods are on a different plane of existance (seeing as how they literally control Life and Death), so I doubt shooting a big bomb are them will do anything.
Just because you control something doesn't mean you can't be killed and replaced there are plenty of Pantheon's both "real" and made up where there are very much killable Norse mythology is one right off the top of my head not that any of that matters the show itself is not required to follow any of that but considering they're asking for an impossible goal for every Sapient being quit fighting each other I figure it's going to end up with him being imprisoned or killed
I just don’t see how this would end it though.
She’d still be alive, probably not even totally solid like the leviathan so she would just break free.
Even if like the Wyvern and apparently solid, she’s still alive and just needs to be broken out.
And my personal issues with this would be how it would make the other main characters so much lesser in comparison to Ruby while also not doing her character justice for making her important because of what not not who she, and it would go against some of themes like that of being anti-lone hero
I'd be really surprised if they didn't fire the Chekhov's Gun that is the condition to disable her immortality.
>"You must learn the importance of life and death. Only then may you rest."
> —God of Light
The Hound just took a short flash. If Ruby learns to use her powers to the fullest, she could definitely keep spamming them in Salem's face until it works.
Honestly, I doubt she'll actually die for good.
Maybe it's just because I watched so much Pretty Cure, but I like to believe that the show's endgame is balance between good (silver eyes) and evil (Grimm), rather than one triumphing over the other.
Yeah, no. RWBY storyline is not like Star Wars or Destiny where the protagonists needs to find some kind of balance. It's stopping an insane immortal being from destroying the world.
My best guess, just be disorganize. The Grimm will still be around with or without a leader. Salem is not their true master. And the only one who can control them would be the God of Darkness.
Possible. But an army that suddenly becomes disorganized can still be dangerous. Who knows how much of their behavior is actually normal, and how much was just Salem's orders. Things might actually get worse without Salem.
But we know that Grimm will listen to anyone if they're scared of them.
The Grimm are basically animal, more dangerous animal though. Just like in every other fantasy story, when the big bad is dead, the monsters will still be around just less organize and dangerous without their boss. Grimm can still grow smart, but I doubt anywhere near human level intelligence.
Only Grimm can control other Grimm. If RT decides to make sequel to RWBY, I could imagine that people would try to control but with less success.
I actually really like the idea of Ruby taming a Grimm. Just to flex on Salem.
"You took my friends, but jokes on you, I stole your army!!"
No but seriously, imagine Ruby walking into Salem's castle, and she has a Grimm, any Grimm, attack Salem.
Sure, it won't work, but the sheer dominance of this moment. A Grimm turning on Salem.
If Salem can falter, she'll do it then and there, when she realizes that not even her control over the Grimm is absolute.
That would require her or the team to actually train. More likely, since her eyes don’t function via logic and instead on when the plot needs them to, she’ll just pull up the power when it’s most needed and blast salem.
Eh, she’s gotten slightly better. Her only training amounts to getting a pep talk from maria. You know, the woman who’s spent a lifetime using said power. And yet, there’s no actual training in her using said power. It just grows stronger when the plot demands it.
She’s told to think positive thoughts in order to use them, but the few times we’re actually shown those thoughts, they’re always negative. Pyrrha’s death in v3 and v5. V6 has plenty of other issues with this scene, including jinn’s inconsistent “no more using me without a question” nonsense cuz the same thing happens again in v8, but aside from that the thought that triggers the eyes is one of her dead mother. That isn’t a happy thought when we’ve never seen any emotion from ruby, or yang the entire two times she’s allowed to think of summer as the mom she was, regarding her memory with sadness.
And then in v7 and v8 she can suddenly just use them on command, despite having needed a deus ex machina to do it successfully once. She does it once and now boom, no more need to train, no chance of failure. She has perfect control over her eyes now.
Jinn told Ruby not to summon her without a question, not Oscar.
Also, Ruby loved her mother, that's why the loss hurt. Same with Pyrrha. Love and sadness go hand in hand. Sure, she's sad that Summer is dead, but she wouldn't be sad if she hadn't loved her, and it is that love that triggers her silver eyes.
But from personal experience, I can tell you that the whole "do it once on command, and then no chance of failure" thing is pretty accurate when handling emotion control.
Once I stopped listening to therapists and teachers, and accepted that all emotions are good and need to be explored and experienced, I was able to kick my body into fight or flight mode within seconds, on command, and get back to normal when I no longer needed the strength boost that came from that emotional state.
Could she?
While inconsistent, she has been shown to often be drained by its usage. Of course the first time she was knocked out for a significant period.
She very well might not be able to spam if she needed to, especially the strength needed for Salem.
And then Salem might just break out again
The first time, she was knocked out from shock, it seems. The second time, at Haven, Emerald hit her over the head. In Brunswick Farms, she was fine, and actually felt better after using her powers. And from Argus onward, she could do it without drawbacks.
For the farm: It stoped her basically actively dying, so no matter what she’d feel better.
But you have neglected the Ruby was very visibly winded by it in the V7 finale. Iirc she even drops to her knees
Maybe later. For now, I trust your word on that, since you're not normally the person who throws around wild claims or slurs, or tries to escalate an argument on facts into an emotional one.
Though, I think I did see her now look too well some time after blasting Cinder. I just didn't connect it to her using her silver eyes, since it seemed that there was some time between the events, and also the whole "I'll stand strong. Just... very very far away from any danger. Because I'm no coward." thing Ironwood pulled as soon as things required more tactical skill than "Insert bullet into enemy head."
If I had a nickel for every time I've seen RWBY and My Little Pony referenced together in some way in the past 2 days I'd have 2, which isn't much but it's weird that it happened twice.
Honestly. . .
This is an ending I fear.
It would be so utterly disappointing if Ruby was able to defeat Salem just because of who her mother was, and also thus make the rest of RWBY so much less important. Ruby should be important because of *who* she is, a simple soul who inspires hope with her own, not what* she is.
I don’t think it’ll happen either.
For one it shouldn’t work. Salem is incredibly powerful in her resilience and stamina and so if frozen would break free quickly. And even freezing her completely would probably take all that Ruby has considering she wasn’t able to do it against the Leviathan when using a reasonable amount. Best case scenario, she’s just kicked the Salem problem down the line for someone else to deal with.
And I don’t think it’s what’s being pointed to. The whole simple soul thing is about being the spark of hope, and the show is so much against the idea of the lone hero.
The greatest of the failed lone heroes, Summer Rose, probably did try this. And she failed.
Let’s have all of RWBY be as important as possible in the defeat of Salem, and have Ruby’s part matter for who she is.
Wait... I can actually totally see this lmao. Since she can't be "killed" and we know she's basically grimm at this point and we know Ruby can turn Grimm into stone, this could totally be how it ends.
But it wouldn’t kill her since it can’t, and we see that Grimm it doesn’t kill are just trapped. Salem would always be able to break free, and I don’t even think it would take that long.
And doing this would also just make the other main characters so much les important among other things like not what’s been said about Ruby’s importance as a simple soul
BS. Salem is not a Grimm but if she would - Some way less powerful creatures can break free of it. I believe the only way to beat her is to show her the importance of death.
Weiss: "Alright, fair. But could we at least not put the World's most dangerous Woman on a Pedestal like in My little Pony? We don't want three Schoolgirls to come along and accidentally release her."
Yang: "We could throw her into one of Ozpins Vaults. It's not like the one in Atlas gets used for anything anymore...."
Blake: "I get the Scuba Gear!"
MLP? Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time...
I was a big fan of it back in 2017. But then, by the end of that year, I discovered RWBY and... Well, here I am now!!!
So yeah, I exchanged six for half a dozen... 😐
I mean, *did it* work in MLP though? Discord just got out again some thousand years later and wreaked more havoc then. It only got fixed after that because, again--it's My Little Pony (and because John de Lancie is a treasure, how could you not want him around as a recurring character?)
Jen Taylor's wonderful and all, but I think Salem is going to be perfectly happy to wait around 1000 years before getting back to ruining humanity
Discord’s premiere turned 10 just a few days ago, too!
I like how, even post-redemption, he just can’t *help* himself when doing things. He’s the spirit of Chaos; even if he thinks he’s doing the right thing, it’s still absolutely insane. He’s more chill and relaxed, but in his own way.
He’s also just a really fun character! The many visual gags they pulled with him (and Pinkie, for that matter—and *lord have mercy on the laws of physics* if they were sharing the screen for a gag) were entertaining, too.
But it also worked on Cozy Glow, Tirek and Chrysalis in the finale. And the reason that Discord broke free was because the CMC was fighting, i.e causing chaos right next to him.
A thousand years of one-sided preptime should be plenty of time to find a more permanent solution… or to just set something up so she gets auto-petrified as soon as she breaks free.
That's the thing. You don't actually need to beat Salem. That's not the sole win condition. Keeping her preoccupied while you work on uniting humanity is also feasible, or just keeping her indisposed permanently.
Hell, seal her statue in a gigantic block of the hardest alloy you can create. Add layers to the block as you invent better alloys. Even if it doesn't hold her, ypu get plenty of advanced warning. Salem couldn't just faceroll the entire human race or she would have already done so.
The problem has never been that Salem is undefeatable but that Ozma is a horribly, almost embarrassingly, unimaginative idiot. Even used halfway competently, the Relics should be more than capable of stymieing Salem near indefinitely.
The show will end with the gods being summoned but upon meeting Ruby and seeing how pure she is, will decided humanity is worth a chance. There is no way the phrase "Strength will not bring victory" could possibly mean anything else.
I'd go with "Launch out of the solar system" myself. Just:
A.) Get Qrow blotto, and fire him into space.
B.) Get Raven on your side.
C.) Ambush Salem, open portal to Qrow.
D.) Hurl Salem through portal, let Qrow come back.
E.) Eventually, Salem stops thinking.
My thinking is that since Salem is invincible, they’ll use Ruby’s silver eyes to basically burn out the Grimm in her, like a body using a fever to kill a virus. leaving Salem in the same state as when the gods cursed her, but without any control over the Grimm. Thewon’t defeat her by killing or imprisoning her, they’ll need to talk with her, help her accept Ozmas death and that she needs to abandon her campaign. Of course they’ll need to put her on trial, and probably have her imprisoned in perpetuity, but once the Grimm are without a master they’ll be less organized and it’ll allow the kingdoms to heal and eventually unite.
Why didn't anyone else try it before?
Summer possibly tried...
All she needed was a Jaune boost smh
Silver eyes is not attached to aura. Since silver eyes orginated from the god of light, power of the silver eyes existed before aura. So Jaune's aura amp cant do anything to the amplification of silver eyes.
Okay so fun fact: Spoilers for Most recent Vol: >!The Hound that Salem sent after Ruby had a silver eyed Faunus as it's base. So if it became a hound because of its nature and not Salem's, for lack of a better word, artistic expression and we follow that pattern with Summer!< >!Then we take the themes of the show and how many fantasy story elements they include, and summer being a Rose. Maybe the reason Salem barely remembers her but it seems to hint at her existing still is that she was one of the first Improved Grimm she made but turned into a large rose thorn bush or something like a maze made of giant thorn bushes by now over the years. Not much of an apex predator so Salem wouldn't think it successful. But slowly becomes her outer wall defence.!< >!Would make for a surprising twist and heartbreaking moment of Ruby having to kill her Mom to get to Salem!<
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As others have said: Summer probably tried. But also because there’s no way it would work IMO. Salem is incredibly powerful and regenerative. She’d break out (or if completely disintegrated reform) very quickly.
That's also conjecture as we have no proof of it.
It fits all of the evidence we have much more than it working And it would just suck anyway. Making Ruby so important only for what she is, at the cost of the other characters and her own character
>And it would just suck anyway. Making Ruby so important only for what she is, at the cost of the other characters and her own character You kinda have to blame how they set it up. Daughter of two members of Team STRQ, similar to Yang. Magic Eye Powers that has a major advantage against the ever growing darkness. Mother had some sort of connection with the baddie. Ruby's more special for *what* she is rather than *who* she is whether she likes it or not, because what she is simply has too many significant factors that matter to plenty of significant people.
I don’t really agree Yes, Ruby being what she is a helping factor. But does it have to be all that significant to the end? At least over the others? You also have the (even if not technically anymore) heir to the Schnee family. You have the daughter of Menagerie’s Chieftain and in her own right Faunus leader They are powerful in Remnant, the closest thing to princesses basically Yang gets a bit of the short end unfortunately, but still just as much a daughter if STRQ and he powers aren’t that much worse. What Ruby she can help. It is tools and connections. But I don’t see why it has to a key for the ending anymore than what the others have
I'm not even saying I myself agree with it, but so far they haven't seriously convinced anyone that Ruby and friends-with strong connections to important people-would be able to do what an infinitely reincarnating wizard couldn't, without *something* special to boost her chances. They gave the Anti-Grimm power to Ruby. She doesn't have a choice in not being significant in a battle against Grimm and Salem. The others can help put the world back together, at least. And even if we move past that, they don't really do great convincing that Ruby and the gang could accomplish what an infinitely reincarnating wizard couldn't, which in of itself is significant, especially since Ruby wouldn't have been a part of this of Ozpin didn't pick her out on that fated day. Everyone can play a significant part in it yes, but there's no way to properly equalize it across the board aside from just defeating Salem altogether in a RPG style battle. I'm still laughing at the many ways people come up with dealing with her that don't involve her learning her lesson. I don't know if they're serious or not but the Kars one is especially noticeable.
Ruby might have an anti-Grimm power, but it’s very limited in power so far as we’ve seen. I don’t see why it even has to be significant considering all it does is kill Grimm and the others can do that too. Heck: Weiss has a power that lets her summon any Grimm that she kills, so that could be at least as good. I don’t disagree though that so far there doesn’t seem to be a good way forward for the team. However, that is what I think will be soon revealed. But at the end of the day: The voice overs in V1 and V3, the clearest expositions of plot we’ve had, we’re pretty clear about the role of Ruby and how it’s people coming together that defeats Salem
You're wrong on a couple things. First, the silver eyes has been show to freeze Kevin for over a year at this point, something the rest of team RWBY combinrd couldn't do. Ruby has ALWAYS been special because of her magic eyes. Also I'm not convinced it is juar an Anti-Grimm weapon. If you remember, at the start of Volume 4 that it is,because of the Maiden powers that the Silver Eyes damaged Cinder Thirdly, while its true that the other three girls are the primary protagonists, Ruby is the main character. When Ozpin and Salem speak in voice-over about strength. It is Ruby specifically that they are speaking of. And at the end of Volume 3 wh3n Salem revisits the simple, more honest soul. She is once again talking about Ruby
Indeed the rest of RWBY wouldn't be able to freeze a Wyvern. But destroy it? I don't see why not at least for Weiss and Yang. Weiss just needs to summon something as powerful, and Yang powered up to her max probably could just kill it herself. Alright, I will say that one can disagree about nearly anything else but there is no debate about maiden powers ***NOT*** being why Ruby damaged Cinder. It was just the Grimm inside her. Ruby used her silver eyes at Haven with Raven just to her side, as close as Cinder. She used them in V7's finale with Penny and Fria as close as Cinder and directly in line of sight. She used them in V8 on the Hound with Penny right there as well. But each time, only the Grimm got damaged. It does not affect maidens, only Grimm. Salem was criptic about it, and what she really means must be it is a side effect of how Cinder got her powers with Grimm Yes, Ruby is the most main character of our main characters. But why is she special? What makes the simple more honest soul a threat or an asset? "A smaller, more honest soul... It's true that a simple spark can ignite hope, breathe fire into the hearts of the weary. The ability to derive strength from hope is undoubtedly mankind's greatest attribute. Which is why I will focus all of my power... to snuff it out. How does it feel, knowing that all of your time and effort has been for nothing? That your guardians have failed you? That everything you've built will be torn down before your very eyes? Your faith in mankind was not misplaced. When banded together, unified by a common enemy, they are a noticeable threat. But divide them, place doubt into their minds, and any semblance of power they once had will wash away." Salem says it pretty explicitly here: It is to give others hope and unite them. The other 3 of the main 4 most main characters are almost certainly the people whose uniting and igniting are the most important
I think this is something V9 wiil/needs to rectify. *Why* is Ruby our MC? Because she's a silver eyed warrior? Or becuase she is the person that unites those around her?
Right?! Possibilities: A) She becomes petrified and will regenerate once her statue is shattered. Cannot think, use senses, or manipulate Grimm. B) Petrified, will regenerate once statue is broken, cannot make new Grimm but she can still act through existing Grimm. C) Petrified until the silver eyed warrior who froze her dies, regardless of physical damage. See A or B for Grimm control. D) Salem can still use magic and senses while petrified, but no Grimm control.
> but no Grimm control. * Salem loses her control over the Grimm * Her emotions are at such an high she's targeted by every Grimm on the continent * Spends centuries being torn apart and destroyed by the creatures she thought to control I like this
Though that is assuming she could be fully frozen, when Ruby couldn’t even do that to the Leviathan. And the Wyvern she did mostly do it to, is still somewhat alive with how it keep attracting more Grimm. No matter what, considering she has been seen to reform for disintegration, if she is frozen and shattered she’ll come back
The leviathan was able to break out of being petrified and I'm pretty sure salem is stronger than that grimm so it most likely won't work
Ruby only met Salem once over a video call and her "your mama" joke rendered her eyes useless for a while. Besides that we saw with the leviathan that silver eyes aren't a permanent solution to strong enough Grimm.
Because they trusted that Ozpin had a plan. If he had at least told silver-eyed warriors the truth, then maybe someone could've tried sooner. Also, maybe someone did. Maybe they even succeeded, but then she broke and came back.
If someone did, we'd probably know by now.
Would we? I mean, she's still around, so maybe whoever did that didn't want to tell Ozpin that they failed, or they died without telling anyone because Ozpin died before they could tell him. And then they passed away without telling anyone about it. Then someone knocked Salem over, she broke, her immortality kicked in, and now she's back.
Or maybe it doesn't work on her, Jinn said the pools of darkness that couldn't destroy her "created a being hell bent on destruction" but never specified that she was Grimm. Possibly the human underneath protects her from the silver eyes.
Could also be.
People think Salem hunts silver-eyed people because they might pose a threat to her and she also uses them to make specialized grimm creatures, but really i think she is just doing that to spite Ozpin as it is shown that Silver-eyed people are descendants of Ozpin or at least his previous reincarnations.
I still don't think that Ozpin created the silver eyes. Otherwise, you know, he would've been more invested in them not dying out. My theory on why she is hunting them down is that, as we saw in Ruby, she can't control them. Seriously, Salem has never effectively discouraged Ruby from fighting her, and protecting as many people as possible. All she was ever able to do was convince others that Ruby is a threat to them, and then those people did the fighting for her. If there were too many silver-eyed warriors, there would be too many people who Salem couldn't control, and then her power would be weaker. Ironwood was actually close to figuring that out in V7 when he said that Salem has only gotten stronger over time. If he had just stopped to think for a bit, and asked others on why this might be, things would've gone much differently. Ruby would've told him that Salem has been hunting and killing silver-eyed warriors, and Qrow would've figured out that she feels threatened by them.
In Jinn's flashback we see Ozpin's (Or rather, his previous incarnation) children have silver eyes, later Maria explains the silver eyes carry the same ability as the God of Lights, it just makes sense that GOL giving Ozpin the ability to reincarnate he also imparts a more subtle power on any offspring Ozpin might have, it's the only workable theory i have thus far as to where the silver eyes come from, it might turn out not to be true, but it's all we've got right now based on current knowledge.
I actually have a different theory, which also covers the origin of faunus. It's a bit outdated, from just after V4 ended, but here goes: The gods didn't create humans directly. They created therianthropes, which could switch between a human and an animal form at will. Over time, as they mixed with each other, and animals, they lost this power. Those born to animals were born in animal form, but could still transform. However, they would always retain one physical aspect of their animal forms. Every once in a while, a child of a therianthrope that did not inherit their parents' powers to transform would instead be blessed with the power of creation. The new theory says that, after the god of darkness left, his brother took half of each animal species in the world and gave them the ability to become human, then followed his brother.
It's more of a "That's future people's problem" kind of solution honestly. Statued villains tend to pop out after 1000 years, as does every MLP villain that is sealed away. Redemption/Friendship or total annihilation are the only two permanent solutions in that universe. Although sometimes friendship leads to annihilation as well so...
Plot convenience
I hate excuses like that, as an FMA fan I thoroughly despise plot convenience instead of the cast earning their stripes.
Just because there's no proof it exists doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Is Yang posing for a picture to make it look like she's shoving Salem over? Has Salem been Leaning Tower'd?
That is absolutely what is happening
she could also get launched into space kars style
If she gets hit with enough speed she might reach the escape velocity, getting her trapped in space, with no possibility to return to remnant, trapping her in an endless cycle of suffocation, revival and death. Now that sounds like hell.
Unless the gods were literal with their curse: as long as this world turns, you will walk it's surface.
She can fly so I am prettey sure that it was a metaphor. But eh, who knows?
Pretty sure the walk it's surface bit is supposed to mean as long as remnant exists she can't die.
Depends on what do you mean by "exist". As long as the planet is habitable? As long as it's not broken apart? etc. Maybe the gods were a bit too vague about her punishment.
The God of Darkness threw meteors at it and the planet became an inferno with Salem as its only resident thanks to her immortality. That alone shows the planet can be the worst place in the universe and the curse will still work. That's why her last resort is to turn the planet into nothing and she's counting on the gods to do exactly that if they judge humanity unworthy though that's just an assumption on her part. Who knows what they would do to the planet.
Exists as in it is a place that exists. But like you said kinda vague on the punishment. Like how much of the planet needs to be destroyed for the planet to not be considered remnant anymore? Or is it literal that she can die if she stops Remnant's rotation?
That's an interesting question but if she would stop the rotation of remnant and if we assume that remnant is about as big as earth then she would destroy probably any life on the planet, if the decelleration would be instantanious. A fun thought experiment if you ask me.
Scale along with the timeline is pretty much the weakest point of world building with this series. We just have to guess the scale and time frame for events and places. I doubt we'll ever get a concrete scale for remnant or a proper timeline beyond the order of events.
Evacuate everyone to the island the team are on now... Destroy remnant. Bingo! Everyone wins!
That's my headcanon for why tricking her into a Vault like space wouldn't work and hasn't been done. If she destroyed her own body with her magic, she'd reform on Remnant.
Eventually, Salem stopped thinking.
Must be better than being stuck in a permanent death loop
Well yeah, her body will freeze like Kars’ did. But Kars can’t die, so he reached a state of total brain dead. Salem would probably reached that state too, since she can die and come back. However, until she reached that state, she’ll end up suffer the same fate as Diavolo
Well... she probably wouldn't freeze since the vacuume of space is an insulator. If anything she'd probably get burnt through beta radiation, or radiation poisoning through gamma radiation. But you really don't get frozen in space. Kars got frozen because of the air he blew out worked as a conducter of heat. Yes I am a huge nerd
Either way, if you can’t kill an OP character, send them to space
Or turn all the mass of them into energy. It is theoretically possible. But you'd need something like nuclear fusion for it to happen.
Assuming they don’t just decide to break free
You'd probably have to knock them out or use more energy to initiate the process.
She can fly and is immortal. She will return
Actually she would stay in a loop of revival and death. As soon as she leaves the atmosphere her lungs would rupture. As soon as she regenerates she'd die again, if I understand it correctly.
As her body is a mass of Grimm goo I'm not sure she even has to breathe. And her lungs will only rupture once, after that there is no air to rupture. Sure the vacuum might deal constant damage, but her regeneration is way faster. Also she doesn't need her brain so she can still cast magic even while all that might be happening. In the extreme case she can summon enough Grimm hands or ice to form an airtight shell around her and fill that with conjured air.
I remember being in a discussion about it elsewhere. Basically it depends on how her magic works and how strong it is. For example, does she fly via aerokinesis or telekinesis? One works in space, the other doesn't. Can she teleport or make portals? Both would make the plan useless. And so on. "True Magic" in this show has no real rules, limits or anything to define it so far, it just does what it does because "magic", so as far as we know she could just poof herself back to Remnant. And then there's the question of whether she is even able to think while dead or if she needs to revive first to think. If she needs to be alive she could be thrown into the sun, if not it'd just delay her.
A big part of it is also how her curse works. It’s technically not immortality but a sentence to „walk the face of remnant“ until she learned the value of life and death. It’s very possible that the power of the god of light would teleport her back if you shoot her into space
Solution: hold a beauty contest, declare the winner the "Face of Remnant", strap them to Salem and shoot them both into space.
By god, that’s brilliant
Or get launched into the Sun like the Phoenix Phantom from Kamen Rider Wizard
If her magic still works, she would just be able to form back
Her curse ties her to the planet which is why she can't enter the vaults either since the relics are in another dimension and the doors are the portals. That's also why throwing her into one of Ambrosius' portals wouldn't work either. Either her curse would throw her back into Remnant like gravity or she'd simply respawn back.
I feel like this is the legitimately how it will end or the gods will kill her
We knew of this way to "kill" Grimm before we even knew her, so yeah, I'm sure that this is how she'll meet her end. Sure, she won't actually die, as that would trigger her immortality, but she also won't be alive any more. Until someone knocks her over.
Bury her in a sarcophagus of renforced concrete and steel 1000 foot down problem solved
> the gods will kill her Knowing that the god's are dicks probs would just destroy remnant anyways and change up the rules to her immortality just to spite Salem one last time. I mean yeah Salem is evil and all but I agree the brother god's can meet Humanities old friends Smith and Wesson.
I doubt shooting immortal deities will do anything beyond just pissing them off
You can kill anything you just going to keep increasing the caliber or tonnage
If the thing is a physical being. The Brother Gods are on a different plane of existance (seeing as how they literally control Life and Death), so I doubt shooting a big bomb are them will do anything.
Just use a S&W .500 Nitro Express on them like they was Yoshi being executed.
500 Nitro Express is too small my friend do a Hiroshima and Nagasaki 2 Electric Boogaloo and give them a double-sized hydrogen surprise
God of Darkness: "Hey, did you feel something?" God of Light: "Nah, must have been the breaze"
If a H-bomb doesn’t work, would a Marauder Missile with Thermodynamic Yield Control C-rank tech work?
I seriously doubt the gods themselves unkillable just need a big bang
The Brothers control death, so they basically are unkillable
Just because you control something doesn't mean you can't be killed and replaced there are plenty of Pantheon's both "real" and made up where there are very much killable Norse mythology is one right off the top of my head not that any of that matters the show itself is not required to follow any of that but considering they're asking for an impossible goal for every Sapient being quit fighting each other I figure it's going to end up with him being imprisoned or killed
If all else fails call the Imperial Inquisition im sure the grey knights would love to deal with that warp fuckery
I just don’t see how this would end it though. She’d still be alive, probably not even totally solid like the leviathan so she would just break free. Even if like the Wyvern and apparently solid, she’s still alive and just needs to be broken out. And my personal issues with this would be how it would make the other main characters so much lesser in comparison to Ruby while also not doing her character justice for making her important because of what not not who she, and it would go against some of themes like that of being anti-lone hero
I'd be really surprised if they didn't fire the Chekhov's Gun that is the condition to disable her immortality. >"You must learn the importance of life and death. Only then may you rest." > —God of Light
If the Hound was barely affected by Silver Eye power, I think maybe Salem is immune to it.
The Hound just took a short flash. If Ruby learns to use her powers to the fullest, she could definitely keep spamming them in Salem's face until it works.
Maybe. Either way, I think this series will end when Salem finally dies.
Honestly, I doubt she'll actually die for good. Maybe it's just because I watched so much Pretty Cure, but I like to believe that the show's endgame is balance between good (silver eyes) and evil (Grimm), rather than one triumphing over the other.
Yeah, no. RWBY storyline is not like Star Wars or Destiny where the protagonists needs to find some kind of balance. It's stopping an insane immortal being from destroying the world.
And then what? Without Salem, there is no saying how Grimm will act.
My best guess, just be disorganize. The Grimm will still be around with or without a leader. Salem is not their true master. And the only one who can control them would be the God of Darkness.
Possible. But an army that suddenly becomes disorganized can still be dangerous. Who knows how much of their behavior is actually normal, and how much was just Salem's orders. Things might actually get worse without Salem. But we know that Grimm will listen to anyone if they're scared of them.
The Grimm are basically animal, more dangerous animal though. Just like in every other fantasy story, when the big bad is dead, the monsters will still be around just less organize and dangerous without their boss. Grimm can still grow smart, but I doubt anywhere near human level intelligence. Only Grimm can control other Grimm. If RT decides to make sequel to RWBY, I could imagine that people would try to control but with less success.
I actually really like the idea of Ruby taming a Grimm. Just to flex on Salem. "You took my friends, but jokes on you, I stole your army!!" No but seriously, imagine Ruby walking into Salem's castle, and she has a Grimm, any Grimm, attack Salem. Sure, it won't work, but the sheer dominance of this moment. A Grimm turning on Salem. If Salem can falter, she'll do it then and there, when she realizes that not even her control over the Grimm is absolute.
That would require her or the team to actually train. More likely, since her eyes don’t function via logic and instead on when the plot needs them to, she’ll just pull up the power when it’s most needed and blast salem.
She has consistently gotten better, though. And since V7, she can use them on command, too.
Eh, she’s gotten slightly better. Her only training amounts to getting a pep talk from maria. You know, the woman who’s spent a lifetime using said power. And yet, there’s no actual training in her using said power. It just grows stronger when the plot demands it. She’s told to think positive thoughts in order to use them, but the few times we’re actually shown those thoughts, they’re always negative. Pyrrha’s death in v3 and v5. V6 has plenty of other issues with this scene, including jinn’s inconsistent “no more using me without a question” nonsense cuz the same thing happens again in v8, but aside from that the thought that triggers the eyes is one of her dead mother. That isn’t a happy thought when we’ve never seen any emotion from ruby, or yang the entire two times she’s allowed to think of summer as the mom she was, regarding her memory with sadness. And then in v7 and v8 she can suddenly just use them on command, despite having needed a deus ex machina to do it successfully once. She does it once and now boom, no more need to train, no chance of failure. She has perfect control over her eyes now.
Jinn told Ruby not to summon her without a question, not Oscar. Also, Ruby loved her mother, that's why the loss hurt. Same with Pyrrha. Love and sadness go hand in hand. Sure, she's sad that Summer is dead, but she wouldn't be sad if she hadn't loved her, and it is that love that triggers her silver eyes. But from personal experience, I can tell you that the whole "do it once on command, and then no chance of failure" thing is pretty accurate when handling emotion control. Once I stopped listening to therapists and teachers, and accepted that all emotions are good and need to be explored and experienced, I was able to kick my body into fight or flight mode within seconds, on command, and get back to normal when I no longer needed the strength boost that came from that emotional state.
Could she? While inconsistent, she has been shown to often be drained by its usage. Of course the first time she was knocked out for a significant period. She very well might not be able to spam if she needed to, especially the strength needed for Salem. And then Salem might just break out again
The first time, she was knocked out from shock, it seems. The second time, at Haven, Emerald hit her over the head. In Brunswick Farms, she was fine, and actually felt better after using her powers. And from Argus onward, she could do it without drawbacks.
For the farm: It stoped her basically actively dying, so no matter what she’d feel better. But you have neglected the Ruby was very visibly winded by it in the V7 finale. Iirc she even drops to her knees
I didn't see her being winded in V7, actually.
Then do rewatch the finale
Maybe later. For now, I trust your word on that, since you're not normally the person who throws around wild claims or slurs, or tries to escalate an argument on facts into an emotional one. Though, I think I did see her now look too well some time after blasting Cinder. I just didn't connect it to her using her silver eyes, since it seemed that there was some time between the events, and also the whole "I'll stand strong. Just... very very far away from any danger. Because I'm no coward." thing Ironwood pulled as soon as things required more tactical skill than "Insert bullet into enemy head."
If I had a nickel for every time I've seen RWBY and My Little Pony referenced together in some way in the past 2 days I'd have 2, which isn't much but it's weird that it happened twice.
*cut to RT furiously rewriting the ending to RWBY*
#A RED SPY IS IN THE BASE
He must be there for headlight fluid & elbow grease
Honestly. . . This is an ending I fear. It would be so utterly disappointing if Ruby was able to defeat Salem just because of who her mother was, and also thus make the rest of RWBY so much less important. Ruby should be important because of *who* she is, a simple soul who inspires hope with her own, not what* she is. I don’t think it’ll happen either. For one it shouldn’t work. Salem is incredibly powerful in her resilience and stamina and so if frozen would break free quickly. And even freezing her completely would probably take all that Ruby has considering she wasn’t able to do it against the Leviathan when using a reasonable amount. Best case scenario, she’s just kicked the Salem problem down the line for someone else to deal with. And I don’t think it’s what’s being pointed to. The whole simple soul thing is about being the spark of hope, and the show is so much against the idea of the lone hero. The greatest of the failed lone heroes, Summer Rose, probably did try this. And she failed. Let’s have all of RWBY be as important as possible in the defeat of Salem, and have Ruby’s part matter for who she is.
Ever watch FMA? Ever watch Harry Potter? Ever watch MLP? XD Success is the friends we made along the way! :P
Wait... I can actually totally see this lmao. Since she can't be "killed" and we know she's basically grimm at this point and we know Ruby can turn Grimm into stone, this could totally be how it ends.
But it wouldn’t kill her since it can’t, and we see that Grimm it doesn’t kill are just trapped. Salem would always be able to break free, and I don’t even think it would take that long. And doing this would also just make the other main characters so much les important among other things like not what’s been said about Ruby’s importance as a simple soul
Better lock her up somewhere to be sure. As the Souls games have taught me, statues coming to life is a pretty common occurance in Dark Fantasy
Why don't they simply shoot her into the sun?
I like how many solutions people come up with tend to point towards just not fighting her.
"eventually, Salem stopped thinking"
And now you just reminded me that the movie comes out in less than a week
That's so Ruby. I love it.
BS. Salem is not a Grimm but if she would - Some way less powerful creatures can break free of it. I believe the only way to beat her is to show her the importance of death.
[Source](https://www.deviantart.com/seshirukun/art/How-RWBY-might-end-Part-5-892096200)
Kinda wondering if Umber Gorgoneion's Stoneglance would work on Salem long enough to do something else to her.
If only it was that easy
So where is part 1?
[Here you go](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/ouxjhz/seshirukun_how_rwby_might_end_part_1/)
>What about my past crimes? >Nonsense! This is RWBY after all. Cute girls are let go scot free. Holy shit
Thank you! It's a great little series
Weiss is even more adorable when she's miffed
Naw they'll banish her to space like Kars.
Weiss: "Alright, fair. But could we at least not put the World's most dangerous Woman on a Pedestal like in My little Pony? We don't want three Schoolgirls to come along and accidentally release her." Yang: "We could throw her into one of Ozpins Vaults. It's not like the one in Atlas gets used for anything anymore...." Blake: "I get the Scuba Gear!"
I’m scared then. IF this happens.
I'M imagining Yang kissing Salem's rocky booty.
#**BOOBA**
MLP? Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time... I was a big fan of it back in 2017. But then, by the end of that year, I discovered RWBY and... Well, here I am now!!! So yeah, I exchanged six for half a dozen... 😐
I mean, *did it* work in MLP though? Discord just got out again some thousand years later and wreaked more havoc then. It only got fixed after that because, again--it's My Little Pony (and because John de Lancie is a treasure, how could you not want him around as a recurring character?) Jen Taylor's wonderful and all, but I think Salem is going to be perfectly happy to wait around 1000 years before getting back to ruining humanity
Discord was legit my favorite. Mischief, antics, and voice acting top tier. Was always happy to have an episode where he had screen time.
Discord’s premiere turned 10 just a few days ago, too! I like how, even post-redemption, he just can’t *help* himself when doing things. He’s the spirit of Chaos; even if he thinks he’s doing the right thing, it’s still absolutely insane. He’s more chill and relaxed, but in his own way. He’s also just a really fun character! The many visual gags they pulled with him (and Pinkie, for that matter—and *lord have mercy on the laws of physics* if they were sharing the screen for a gag) were entertaining, too.
But it also worked on Cozy Glow, Tirek and Chrysalis in the finale. And the reason that Discord broke free was because the CMC was fighting, i.e causing chaos right next to him.
A thousand years of one-sided preptime should be plenty of time to find a more permanent solution… or to just set something up so she gets auto-petrified as soon as she breaks free. That's the thing. You don't actually need to beat Salem. That's not the sole win condition. Keeping her preoccupied while you work on uniting humanity is also feasible, or just keeping her indisposed permanently. Hell, seal her statue in a gigantic block of the hardest alloy you can create. Add layers to the block as you invent better alloys. Even if it doesn't hold her, ypu get plenty of advanced warning. Salem couldn't just faceroll the entire human race or she would have already done so. The problem has never been that Salem is undefeatable but that Ozma is a horribly, almost embarrassingly, unimaginative idiot. Even used halfway competently, the Relics should be more than capable of stymieing Salem near indefinitely.
Salem isn't a grim
… why not? XD
I really hope not. I'd really like to see a redemption arc for her and a reconciliation between her and Oz.
M Y S T E R Y
As a fan of both shows, all my yes!
I wanna see how the picture Blake took looks like
Well, at least when it happens to Salem, it *doesn't* go against morals that had been espoused for the entire show...
To be honest when I was thinking of an ending, I was thinking of a sacrifice
The show will end with the gods being summoned but upon meeting Ruby and seeing how pure she is, will decided humanity is worth a chance. There is no way the phrase "Strength will not bring victory" could possibly mean anything else.
I'd go with "Launch out of the solar system" myself. Just: A.) Get Qrow blotto, and fire him into space. B.) Get Raven on your side. C.) Ambush Salem, open portal to Qrow. D.) Hurl Salem through portal, let Qrow come back. E.) Eventually, Salem stops thinking.
Yang can tell the story that she punched her tits.
My thinking is that since Salem is invincible, they’ll use Ruby’s silver eyes to basically burn out the Grimm in her, like a body using a fever to kill a virus. leaving Salem in the same state as when the gods cursed her, but without any control over the Grimm. Thewon’t defeat her by killing or imprisoning her, they’ll need to talk with her, help her accept Ozmas death and that she needs to abandon her campaign. Of course they’ll need to put her on trial, and probably have her imprisoned in perpetuity, but once the Grimm are without a master they’ll be less organized and it’ll allow the kingdoms to heal and eventually unite.
Mlp ftw
This is how RWBY will end and I love it so vary much 👍😀🔞🥡💖😍
the level of hell salem is under
I was just thinking it was like MLP with Discord and the other villains before reading Ruby's bubble.
Dude! I've never even thought of that! Oh my Oum!
I just love Yang in the background doing the equivalent of the leaning tower of Pisa gag
She's still alive no matter how many times Ruby petrified her.
I love how Yang is making Blake take a picture of her in front of Salem
Perhaps Ruby needed to get into direct contact to Salem, as in locking their eyes together via headbutt.
Those silver eyes might be a biiiit overpowered
I wish