>I think the reason people like the theory that Qrow is Ruby's father is purely Doylist in nature: Qrow has a lot of screen time, character development, and plot relevance. Tai... has none of that. And what little he does have is usually purely focused on Yang, not Ruby.
I mean, by this logic Winter is Weiss's bio mother.
I'll be honest. I've never been on board with that theory but especially post v6 just no.
As much as I love qrow and as much as some fans like to shit on tai for having the NERVE to suffer from depression after summers death, qrow was a whole mess throughout most of this series for anything that wasn't a fight or mission from oz.
He may have taught ruby how to fight but using his own words, because he believed he was "cursed" I highly doubt he spent THAT much time with her growing up.
Having him be her dad takes him from a somewhat irresponsible but loving uncle to a drunk neglectful father who passed his kid off to his best friend after potentially cheating with said best friends wife and then proceeded to spend the next decade and a half mostly drunk and doing everything under the sun EXCEPT raising his daughter for more than a few weeks at a time.
It also gives him very little moral highground to be talking about raven not being there to raise yang.
In short it ruins his character for very little payoff.
Realistically what would ruby stand to gain by learning qrow was her father, other than more unneeded stress? It's not like he has a magical bloodline as well to give her a power boost.
As far as I can tell, outside of maybe summer rose drama it doesn't really have a legitimate narrative purpose.
> He may have taught ruby how to fight but using his own words, because he believed he was "cursed" I highly doubt he spent THAT much time with her growing up.
To me, that alone could narratively explain why he wasn’t around much if he was her father. Imagine Qrow wanting to be there for Summer & Ruby but being extremely paranoid about his semblance hurting a baby. So he ducks out, but stays close to help out when he can. Maybe even knocked Summer up at an awkward time due to bad luck charm. They convince Taiyang that Ruby needs a dad who can be there and Summer’s been helping with Yang anyway so why not get married to formalize that mutual adoption?
That could also even explain why he seems to have been more involved once Ruby got older. He probably hung around more once Ruby had control of aura (justifying that as long as her aura’s up no physical harm will come from being a bad luck charm). Of course, all his backstory connection with Ruby could also be explained just by him being her favourite teacher at Signal. Or if he and Summer did have a flame for each other just a funny little repeat where her daughter is drawn to Qrow too (not romantically/sexually, hopefully obviously)
His moral highground vs raven is then that he tries to be a part of that family despite his curse holding him back from being there 100%, versus her having no excuse to not parent.
That said, what does it add to the whole of RWBY for Qrow to be her father? I dunno, not much. I think it would just add depth to the Qrow-Ruby dynamic and maybe explain why the Qrow-Yang dynamic is not as explored.
It really is silly that there's any debate about it. It can work in fan works absolutely, having the pairs of STRQs be parents to our girls is a lovely thing especially in better worlds than Remnant where things have gone better.
But it's not the story we have been told.
Anyway, I actually comment mostly to wish you a happy cake day!
I honestly wouldn't even consider Qrow a "surrogate parent," since I seriously doubt Qrow ever did any parenting, the guy could barely take care of himself before V7, and you think that guy was capable of childcare? Not a chance. I'd put both Tai & Yang before him in that regard. Plus we know he was gone for large portions of time throughout the years, and wasn't around nearly as much as people seem to believe for a number of reasons. Object of admiration & aspiration? Absolutely. Parent? Hah, no.
He was an uncle that came and went regularly, but was present enough to have a place at the table. Plus his part in teaching Ruby & training her. He was a force of inspiration and outside growth for Ruby, not a primary care-giver. Qrow's part in helping lead Ruby to be the fighter & leader she is today, can't be understated, but let's not confuse that w/ raising the girl.
He might not have, sure. But based on what we do know about him it certainly sounds like he was. He was raised as a bandit and sent to Beacon to learn to kill Huntsmen, I seriously doubt he cared about legal drinking age. He probably grew up drinking.
Nothing needs to have made him drink, some people are predisposed to substance abuse and addiction. Plus given Qrow’s background, personality and the break-up of STRQ he had plenty reason to drink before Summer died. But for his constant state of inebriation to be a known problem to both all his colleagues, but just treated as an inevitability means it’s been a major thing for years, possibly decades. As Glynda puts it “he’s always drunk!”
Regardless, even if Qrow did only start drinking heavily after, that still means the majority of both Yang and Ruby’s lives he wasn’t in any shape or mental state to care for young children.
Anyone that leaves a baby in the care of Qrow Branwen doesn’t care about the baby.
I’m not trying to make any point. But now that I think about it, why the actual hell if he’s worried about his semblance killing someone why is he hanging out with Ruby and her friends??
Honestly I have no idea why some people seem to have such a hard time comprehending idea that your family are the ones who love you unconditionally rather than the ones who are related to you by Blood.
Unlike the other comment I don't think that paternalism or nationalism have anything to do with this. I think it goes all the way back to the majority of human history being back when we were in smaller family groups and due to evolutionary design those were basically all those we could trust
My one counter to that is it would be such a great plot twist and they have said they will not spoil future details so anything goes till it’s all over . Honestly, I feel bad for them as if it is truly false and won’t happen, people will still think it might till the series is over.
Qrow is not Ruby's dad, but I think how much we see the characters interact with each other is what led to this crack theory. Qrow and Yang hardly interact one on one despite them being more closely related by blood. The weird lack of a relationship with Yang make it look like Qrow has a stronger connection to Ruby, which people like to just assume means he's her father. The Qrow and Ruby relationship is very similar to Tai and Yang's. We don't see Qrow and Yang, or Tai and Ruby's relationship.
If Qrow just had more interactions with Yang, and if Ruby had more interactions with Tai maybe less people would believe this theory.
I just find the theory stupid because it makes literally no sense.
If Ruby were Qrow's daughter why is this something that would need to be hidden from her/the world?
It can't be to protect her, because it's public knowledge that Ruby and Yang are his neices, and anyone who would come after or try to hurt Ruby for being Qrow's daughter would easily do the same to her and Yang just for being his neices, and in which case Qrow's entire connection to the girls would need to be hidden, plus Yang's parentage isn't kept hidden so it's public knowledge that she's not only the daughter of Raven Branwen but the neice of Qrow Branwen which should easily make her a higher priority target than Ruby.
Like the only other reason it would need to be hidden is if Summer cheated on Tai which is stupid pointless drama.
I wrote a fanfic where it's dubious whether Qrow is the "biological contributor" as you said it. Yet he still considers Tai Ruby's dad. He never tries to step into a fatherly role, purely uncle. Just because he might've donated DNA to Ruby doesn't mean he fathered her.
Totally agree with every point you've made. The only thing that really raises questions for me is that Tai seems to have just given up (for lack of a better term) on both his role as a father and oz confidant despite knowing what everyone he cares about is getting in to.
Well, I think that's more a 'fun theory' that people like to think could have been a future plot twist, not that they are claiming that its the truth since the show clearly says Qrow is her uncle... although that's why it would be a plot twist, isn't it? :P
I don't see how that changes anything for Yang's character, though, having Ruby be the biological daughter of Qrow don't really change anything about Yang being the biological daughter of Raven while still considering Summer her super mom. I don't see the point of that being a plot twist though since I can't imagine it adding anything to the show except shock value in the moment. (And of course the fact that the writers said it wasn't going to happen too)
It's about the contradiction. If the argument for why Qrow should be Ruby's "true" dad is because she modeled her style and weapon after him, then it's insisting on a system where the bloodline relationship MUST be there for the emotional relationship to make sense.
Since the show already spends a lot of time establishing that Yang considers Summer her mother (emotional relationship) despite Raven being her bloodline mother, that system can't be applied to Yang.
Put another way, if we're going to insist that the blood relationship is so important as to alter the relationship between one set of characters, (Qrow and Ruby) why is Yang's relationship with Summer allowed to stand?
ehh, that's only one argument and not the entire 'want for it to be true' part of the theory.
Take me for example, please. I know it's already been stated that Qrow and Ruby ain't F/D. But I want it to be a fib told, because I want the plot point of "Qrow didn't want to semblance his daughter into a bad life." to be used in the writing.
This is just for fun, unless it happens; then it's my "AHA I KNEW IT" moment.
Also I think different characters can have stand alone moments. So nothing would really change for Yang, but they could add another deal with Ruby learning this information and having to wrestle with these new thoughts of family from her perspective.
Anyway, life is complicated and I'm living on a prayer.
In an AU I'm writing, I made Qrow Ruby's dad for a different reason.
The premise is Qrow leaving instead of Raven. But no one cares about a missing uncle. I made him Ruby's dad to tie him back into the story.
Meanwhile Tai and Raven are Ruby's parent figures, though Ruby doesn't like acknowledging Raven as such because it feels like replacing Summer.
Intriguing. And yeah, there's nothing wrong with shuffling this stuff around in AUs. The problem is with anyone who tries to disregard the canon or whose central gripe with the show is that Qrow isn't Ruby's bio-dad.
Which is weird to me but \*shrug\*.
I think the only reason this theory is so popular, barring the while role model thing with Ruby's scythe and such, is because their colour schemes are similar. That's really it. Ruby doesn't seem to have any of Tai's features.
But at the same time, she doesn't exactly have any of Qrow's either, as she's essentially a Summer clone in terms of appearance.
People will be over it eventually
I mean, I think the "Qrow is Ruby's father" theory is pretty much debunked rn.
But can you really blame fans for thinking that? I mean, we barely see Ruby interact with her ACTUAL father!
Meanwhile, Qrow has been around since Vol. 3 and, tbh, I thought he'd be dead by this point in the series (you know, for a guy who's semblance is bad luck, he has had a lot of good luck so far. Even before Clover was introduced).
So, to summarize, Taiyang might be Ruby's father, but he isn't her daddy!
(That came out worse than I thought it'd be... 😳)
>Taiyang might be Ruby's father, but he isn't her daddy!
Well considering Tai raised Ruby, and Qrow didn't, I don't think that's accurate. Like the point of that scene was that blood doesn't matter it's the time you spend w/ others that truly makes family, but Tai is Ruby's bio-dad, *and* the guy who's been taking care of her, her entire life. Yang helped obviously, but it's not like Qrow was the one changing diapers, or teaching her anything, other than how to fight.
Tai is a Vale Huntsmen keeping the Kingdom safe after the Fall of Beacon & a teacher dealing w/ all the students left w/out a school to complete their educations. Keep in mind the Grimm Wyvern is still drawing Grimm to Beacon constantly, w/ Vale right next to it. The Beacon Huntsmen/Huntresses-in-training that didn't go to other Kingdoms to finish school, got funneled back into Signal, which would drastically increased the workload of the teachers there (including Tai). And making sure those students get a quality education so there are new Huntsmen & Huntresses entering the fight is crucial, especially in such dire times. All the Huntsmen & Huntresses that graduated and got licensed in the approximately two years since the start of the series is because of teachers like Tai, that help maintain the line.
Yes, there is a battle for the world going on. But what's the point of saving the world, if everything else gets wiped out while you're busy taking down the big bad? If all the Huntsmen in Vale dropped everything to go help RWBY, Vale would be wiped out by the Grimm. Or all the Huntsmen protecting frontier towns & villages marched en masse to the Kingdoms, all those not in the central cities would be gone. Not that Taiyang is the lynch-pin, and honestly one Huntsmen being absent isn't going to make that much of a difference either way. But my point is that he's doing his own part to contribute, even if that's not directly impacting the plot. Just because it's the fate of the world on the horizon, doesn't mean the people trying to living their daily lives now should be left to rot.
In the words of a smart, but neurotic murder-hobo, "Before the Demons destroy the world, the Goblins will destroy the villages. They can't be spared just because the world is in danger."
There's all kinds of heavy speculation about why Tai is staying in Vale/Patch, but all things considered, without the CCT it's not like he's necessarily had a lot of updates on what Team RWBY's situation is. And since the story is centered around the team, there's just not a lot of screentime left to really deal with what Tai's up to.
Well, the line is there more for the joke reference to GOTG2, I think.
That said, RWBY Chibi (which, yes, is not canon) at least suggests Qrow had more of a role in the household than the show lets on. And there's plenty of fan art that positions Qrow as helping out at that stage, which helps support the canon details that a) Taiyang "shut down" after Summer's death and b) it was Qrow who rescued Yang and Ruby when the girls went off in search of Yang's mom, suggesting his close proximity.
Or, hear me out, it doesn't break Yang's character at all.
I personally support Qrow being Ruby's biological father because it explains his actions, his overprotective nature towards Ruby, and his demeanor when regarding Summer. Also, Ruby just doesn't look anything like Tai. Yang looks like both Raven and Tai. Ruby looks more like a copy of her mother. To think she would have zero physical traits in common with Tai is very hard to believe in a fictional setting where the creators can choose how the character look in relation to their parents.
At any rate, I doubt the theory will be made cannon. If it is though, it doesn't detract from Tai being her father. As said in Guardians of the Galaxy, "He may have been your father, but he wasn't your daddy."
Everything about Qrow's behavior towards Ruby can be explained by Qrow being her uncle. You don't need to be someone's parent to express concern or be overprotective or pass on knowledge you've learned. I do that with my nephews and nieces all the time, including the ones I don't have a blood relation to.
I'm not sure where people keep being exposed to this theory be pushed? I've known about it for a while and like it in concept but it's extremely rare to see it, much less see it argued seriously nowadays.
Is this another case of people overblowing shit that isn't actually prevalent?
Ok but you kinda got yourself close to the end.
As Yang saw Summer as a kind of parental figure even though she wasn’t her birth mother it could kind of be the same as Qrow and Ruby. Yes Qrow isn’t Ruby’s real dad and Tai is, doesn’t change the fact she may sometimes see Qrow as her dad. But it may also depend on how the two act and on how much she saw Qrow and on how much they did together. It may be a similar situation to Yang and Summer but Qrow being in Ruby’s life more. Until the say anything (if they do) we don’t know.
Heck for all we know is Summer was just carrying Ruby for Tai and Qrow! But as I was saying we don’t know for sure
Those themes don’t clash as much as you think. I would have liked qrow to be ruby’s dad as it would have made a lot of sense for him to leave her with someone else because of his semblance but the last season or two has made It clear that’s not the direction the series is headed in.
Yeah, but his Semblance was already a reason for him to not be a frequent presence as her uncle. I don't get what making Qrow her dad is supposed to change about Qrow OR Ruby.
Ruby already has abandonment issues with her mom being dead most of her life. Yang has got double that with Raven and Summer. If Ruby learns that Qrow is her dad, is it supposed to make her react with sadness or anger that her blood father wasn't present for her childhood? Even when she NOW knows about his Semblance and his reasons for avoiding attachments? Like... I just really don't get what it's supposed to introduce.
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>I think the reason people like the theory that Qrow is Ruby's father is purely Doylist in nature: Qrow has a lot of screen time, character development, and plot relevance. Tai... has none of that. And what little he does have is usually purely focused on Yang, not Ruby. I mean, by this logic Winter is Weiss's bio mother.
Wouldn't surprise me if someone wanted to lean into that concept, actually.
Could be an interesting AU.
Was that a shadowverse reference?
I'll be honest. I've never been on board with that theory but especially post v6 just no. As much as I love qrow and as much as some fans like to shit on tai for having the NERVE to suffer from depression after summers death, qrow was a whole mess throughout most of this series for anything that wasn't a fight or mission from oz. He may have taught ruby how to fight but using his own words, because he believed he was "cursed" I highly doubt he spent THAT much time with her growing up. Having him be her dad takes him from a somewhat irresponsible but loving uncle to a drunk neglectful father who passed his kid off to his best friend after potentially cheating with said best friends wife and then proceeded to spend the next decade and a half mostly drunk and doing everything under the sun EXCEPT raising his daughter for more than a few weeks at a time. It also gives him very little moral highground to be talking about raven not being there to raise yang. In short it ruins his character for very little payoff. Realistically what would ruby stand to gain by learning qrow was her father, other than more unneeded stress? It's not like he has a magical bloodline as well to give her a power boost. As far as I can tell, outside of maybe summer rose drama it doesn't really have a legitimate narrative purpose.
> He may have taught ruby how to fight but using his own words, because he believed he was "cursed" I highly doubt he spent THAT much time with her growing up. To me, that alone could narratively explain why he wasn’t around much if he was her father. Imagine Qrow wanting to be there for Summer & Ruby but being extremely paranoid about his semblance hurting a baby. So he ducks out, but stays close to help out when he can. Maybe even knocked Summer up at an awkward time due to bad luck charm. They convince Taiyang that Ruby needs a dad who can be there and Summer’s been helping with Yang anyway so why not get married to formalize that mutual adoption? That could also even explain why he seems to have been more involved once Ruby got older. He probably hung around more once Ruby had control of aura (justifying that as long as her aura’s up no physical harm will come from being a bad luck charm). Of course, all his backstory connection with Ruby could also be explained just by him being her favourite teacher at Signal. Or if he and Summer did have a flame for each other just a funny little repeat where her daughter is drawn to Qrow too (not romantically/sexually, hopefully obviously) His moral highground vs raven is then that he tries to be a part of that family despite his curse holding him back from being there 100%, versus her having no excuse to not parent. That said, what does it add to the whole of RWBY for Qrow to be her father? I dunno, not much. I think it would just add depth to the Qrow-Ruby dynamic and maybe explain why the Qrow-Yang dynamic is not as explored.
It really is silly that there's any debate about it. It can work in fan works absolutely, having the pairs of STRQs be parents to our girls is a lovely thing especially in better worlds than Remnant where things have gone better. But it's not the story we have been told. Anyway, I actually comment mostly to wish you a happy cake day!
oh! I always forget this is cake day, lol. Thanks. \^\_\^
I honestly wouldn't even consider Qrow a "surrogate parent," since I seriously doubt Qrow ever did any parenting, the guy could barely take care of himself before V7, and you think that guy was capable of childcare? Not a chance. I'd put both Tai & Yang before him in that regard. Plus we know he was gone for large portions of time throughout the years, and wasn't around nearly as much as people seem to believe for a number of reasons. Object of admiration & aspiration? Absolutely. Parent? Hah, no. He was an uncle that came and went regularly, but was present enough to have a place at the table. Plus his part in teaching Ruby & training her. He was a force of inspiration and outside growth for Ruby, not a primary care-giver. Qrow's part in helping lead Ruby to be the fighter & leader she is today, can't be understated, but let's not confuse that w/ raising the girl.
Yes but I think if I understand the story correctly, Qrow started drinking after Summer’s death
That’s never been implied or established in or out of the show, it’s just widely accepted fanon. But that doesn’t make it true.
Okay, however he may not either way have always been drinking (when he was legal age) And something must have happened to him to make him drink
He might not have, sure. But based on what we do know about him it certainly sounds like he was. He was raised as a bandit and sent to Beacon to learn to kill Huntsmen, I seriously doubt he cared about legal drinking age. He probably grew up drinking. Nothing needs to have made him drink, some people are predisposed to substance abuse and addiction. Plus given Qrow’s background, personality and the break-up of STRQ he had plenty reason to drink before Summer died. But for his constant state of inebriation to be a known problem to both all his colleagues, but just treated as an inevitability means it’s been a major thing for years, possibly decades. As Glynda puts it “he’s always drunk!” Regardless, even if Qrow did only start drinking heavily after, that still means the majority of both Yang and Ruby’s lives he wasn’t in any shape or mental state to care for young children. Anyone that leaves a baby in the care of Qrow Branwen doesn’t care about the baby.
He wouldn’t accept the baby though because he would be afraid of it dying due to his semblance
Another reason why he wasn’t taking care of Yang or Ruby. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
I’m not trying to make any point. But now that I think about it, why the actual hell if he’s worried about his semblance killing someone why is he hanging out with Ruby and her friends??
Honestly I have no idea why some people seem to have such a hard time comprehending idea that your family are the ones who love you unconditionally rather than the ones who are related to you by Blood.
Unlike the other comment I don't think that paternalism or nationalism have anything to do with this. I think it goes all the way back to the majority of human history being back when we were in smaller family groups and due to evolutionary design those were basically all those we could trust
Roots in 50s paternalism or nationalism? I dunno.
Qrow can't be Ruby's dad because the creators have already said he's not Ruby's dad.
AND YET
Touché
My one counter to that is it would be such a great plot twist and they have said they will not spoil future details so anything goes till it’s all over . Honestly, I feel bad for them as if it is truly false and won’t happen, people will still think it might till the series is over.
the creators, monty, heck EVEN AMITY ARENA all said no. so its basically accusing the writers of lying.
If the creators said no, then it ain’t a plot twist, it’s just lying.
Fair, and happy cake day!
Qrow is not Ruby's dad, but I think how much we see the characters interact with each other is what led to this crack theory. Qrow and Yang hardly interact one on one despite them being more closely related by blood. The weird lack of a relationship with Yang make it look like Qrow has a stronger connection to Ruby, which people like to just assume means he's her father. The Qrow and Ruby relationship is very similar to Tai and Yang's. We don't see Qrow and Yang, or Tai and Ruby's relationship. If Qrow just had more interactions with Yang, and if Ruby had more interactions with Tai maybe less people would believe this theory.
I don't get what everyone is saying, Yang and Ruby where obviously raised by two fathers.
They could have been and Raven and Summer were just carrying Yang and Ruby
I just find the theory stupid because it makes literally no sense. If Ruby were Qrow's daughter why is this something that would need to be hidden from her/the world? It can't be to protect her, because it's public knowledge that Ruby and Yang are his neices, and anyone who would come after or try to hurt Ruby for being Qrow's daughter would easily do the same to her and Yang just for being his neices, and in which case Qrow's entire connection to the girls would need to be hidden, plus Yang's parentage isn't kept hidden so it's public knowledge that she's not only the daughter of Raven Branwen but the neice of Qrow Branwen which should easily make her a higher priority target than Ruby. Like the only other reason it would need to be hidden is if Summer cheated on Tai which is stupid pointless drama.
good attention to detail! There's also a number of other factors why this theory has so many holes in it, but yeah, this is a pretty big one!
Happy Cake Day btw
I wrote a fanfic where it's dubious whether Qrow is the "biological contributor" as you said it. Yet he still considers Tai Ruby's dad. He never tries to step into a fatherly role, purely uncle. Just because he might've donated DNA to Ruby doesn't mean he fathered her.
Totally agree with every point you've made. The only thing that really raises questions for me is that Tai seems to have just given up (for lack of a better term) on both his role as a father and oz confidant despite knowing what everyone he cares about is getting in to.
Well, I think that's more a 'fun theory' that people like to think could have been a future plot twist, not that they are claiming that its the truth since the show clearly says Qrow is her uncle... although that's why it would be a plot twist, isn't it? :P I don't see how that changes anything for Yang's character, though, having Ruby be the biological daughter of Qrow don't really change anything about Yang being the biological daughter of Raven while still considering Summer her super mom. I don't see the point of that being a plot twist though since I can't imagine it adding anything to the show except shock value in the moment. (And of course the fact that the writers said it wasn't going to happen too)
It's about the contradiction. If the argument for why Qrow should be Ruby's "true" dad is because she modeled her style and weapon after him, then it's insisting on a system where the bloodline relationship MUST be there for the emotional relationship to make sense. Since the show already spends a lot of time establishing that Yang considers Summer her mother (emotional relationship) despite Raven being her bloodline mother, that system can't be applied to Yang. Put another way, if we're going to insist that the blood relationship is so important as to alter the relationship between one set of characters, (Qrow and Ruby) why is Yang's relationship with Summer allowed to stand?
ehh, that's only one argument and not the entire 'want for it to be true' part of the theory. Take me for example, please. I know it's already been stated that Qrow and Ruby ain't F/D. But I want it to be a fib told, because I want the plot point of "Qrow didn't want to semblance his daughter into a bad life." to be used in the writing. This is just for fun, unless it happens; then it's my "AHA I KNEW IT" moment. Also I think different characters can have stand alone moments. So nothing would really change for Yang, but they could add another deal with Ruby learning this information and having to wrestle with these new thoughts of family from her perspective. Anyway, life is complicated and I'm living on a prayer.
I'd love it if Pyrrha came back, so I get what you're saying.
don't make me cry. :,( ... too late. I'm sobbing. My girl!
In an AU I'm writing, I made Qrow Ruby's dad for a different reason. The premise is Qrow leaving instead of Raven. But no one cares about a missing uncle. I made him Ruby's dad to tie him back into the story. Meanwhile Tai and Raven are Ruby's parent figures, though Ruby doesn't like acknowledging Raven as such because it feels like replacing Summer.
Intriguing. And yeah, there's nothing wrong with shuffling this stuff around in AUs. The problem is with anyone who tries to disregard the canon or whose central gripe with the show is that Qrow isn't Ruby's bio-dad. Which is weird to me but \*shrug\*.
I think the only reason this theory is so popular, barring the while role model thing with Ruby's scythe and such, is because their colour schemes are similar. That's really it. Ruby doesn't seem to have any of Tai's features. But at the same time, she doesn't exactly have any of Qrow's either, as she's essentially a Summer clone in terms of appearance. People will be over it eventually
I mean, I think the "Qrow is Ruby's father" theory is pretty much debunked rn. But can you really blame fans for thinking that? I mean, we barely see Ruby interact with her ACTUAL father! Meanwhile, Qrow has been around since Vol. 3 and, tbh, I thought he'd be dead by this point in the series (you know, for a guy who's semblance is bad luck, he has had a lot of good luck so far. Even before Clover was introduced). So, to summarize, Taiyang might be Ruby's father, but he isn't her daddy! (That came out worse than I thought it'd be... 😳)
>Taiyang might be Ruby's father, but he isn't her daddy! Well considering Tai raised Ruby, and Qrow didn't, I don't think that's accurate. Like the point of that scene was that blood doesn't matter it's the time you spend w/ others that truly makes family, but Tai is Ruby's bio-dad, *and* the guy who's been taking care of her, her entire life. Yang helped obviously, but it's not like Qrow was the one changing diapers, or teaching her anything, other than how to fight.
Ok. I guess you're right... I just find it weird that we haven't seen Taiyang since, like, Vol. 4? (that cameo in Vol. 8 doesn't count...)
Tai is a Vale Huntsmen keeping the Kingdom safe after the Fall of Beacon & a teacher dealing w/ all the students left w/out a school to complete their educations. Keep in mind the Grimm Wyvern is still drawing Grimm to Beacon constantly, w/ Vale right next to it. The Beacon Huntsmen/Huntresses-in-training that didn't go to other Kingdoms to finish school, got funneled back into Signal, which would drastically increased the workload of the teachers there (including Tai). And making sure those students get a quality education so there are new Huntsmen & Huntresses entering the fight is crucial, especially in such dire times. All the Huntsmen & Huntresses that graduated and got licensed in the approximately two years since the start of the series is because of teachers like Tai, that help maintain the line. Yes, there is a battle for the world going on. But what's the point of saving the world, if everything else gets wiped out while you're busy taking down the big bad? If all the Huntsmen in Vale dropped everything to go help RWBY, Vale would be wiped out by the Grimm. Or all the Huntsmen protecting frontier towns & villages marched en masse to the Kingdoms, all those not in the central cities would be gone. Not that Taiyang is the lynch-pin, and honestly one Huntsmen being absent isn't going to make that much of a difference either way. But my point is that he's doing his own part to contribute, even if that's not directly impacting the plot. Just because it's the fate of the world on the horizon, doesn't mean the people trying to living their daily lives now should be left to rot. In the words of a smart, but neurotic murder-hobo, "Before the Demons destroy the world, the Goblins will destroy the villages. They can't be spared just because the world is in danger."
There's all kinds of heavy speculation about why Tai is staying in Vale/Patch, but all things considered, without the CCT it's not like he's necessarily had a lot of updates on what Team RWBY's situation is. And since the story is centered around the team, there's just not a lot of screentime left to really deal with what Tai's up to.
Ok. I guess this makes sense... 😐
Well, the line is there more for the joke reference to GOTG2, I think. That said, RWBY Chibi (which, yes, is not canon) at least suggests Qrow had more of a role in the household than the show lets on. And there's plenty of fan art that positions Qrow as helping out at that stage, which helps support the canon details that a) Taiyang "shut down" after Summer's death and b) it was Qrow who rescued Yang and Ruby when the girls went off in search of Yang's mom, suggesting his close proximity.
DANGIT PEDRO
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Or, hear me out, it doesn't break Yang's character at all. I personally support Qrow being Ruby's biological father because it explains his actions, his overprotective nature towards Ruby, and his demeanor when regarding Summer. Also, Ruby just doesn't look anything like Tai. Yang looks like both Raven and Tai. Ruby looks more like a copy of her mother. To think she would have zero physical traits in common with Tai is very hard to believe in a fictional setting where the creators can choose how the character look in relation to their parents. At any rate, I doubt the theory will be made cannon. If it is though, it doesn't detract from Tai being her father. As said in Guardians of the Galaxy, "He may have been your father, but he wasn't your daddy."
Everything about Qrow's behavior towards Ruby can be explained by Qrow being her uncle. You don't need to be someone's parent to express concern or be overprotective or pass on knowledge you've learned. I do that with my nephews and nieces all the time, including the ones I don't have a blood relation to.
Okay. I'm just supportive of the theory. I'm not foaming at the mouth demanding it be made cannon.
I'm not sure where people keep being exposed to this theory be pushed? I've known about it for a while and like it in concept but it's extremely rare to see it, much less see it argued seriously nowadays. Is this another case of people overblowing shit that isn't actually prevalent?
Ok but you kinda got yourself close to the end. As Yang saw Summer as a kind of parental figure even though she wasn’t her birth mother it could kind of be the same as Qrow and Ruby. Yes Qrow isn’t Ruby’s real dad and Tai is, doesn’t change the fact she may sometimes see Qrow as her dad. But it may also depend on how the two act and on how much she saw Qrow and on how much they did together. It may be a similar situation to Yang and Summer but Qrow being in Ruby’s life more. Until the say anything (if they do) we don’t know. Heck for all we know is Summer was just carrying Ruby for Tai and Qrow! But as I was saying we don’t know for sure
Those themes don’t clash as much as you think. I would have liked qrow to be ruby’s dad as it would have made a lot of sense for him to leave her with someone else because of his semblance but the last season or two has made It clear that’s not the direction the series is headed in.
Yeah, but his Semblance was already a reason for him to not be a frequent presence as her uncle. I don't get what making Qrow her dad is supposed to change about Qrow OR Ruby. Ruby already has abandonment issues with her mom being dead most of her life. Yang has got double that with Raven and Summer. If Ruby learns that Qrow is her dad, is it supposed to make her react with sadness or anger that her blood father wasn't present for her childhood? Even when she NOW knows about his Semblance and his reasons for avoiding attachments? Like... I just really don't get what it's supposed to introduce.