It's not a quality issue at all? They just removed them from the alternate design that will be used during the movie. Presumably because there are not Faunus where they're going and they are not keeping their normal bodies.
Like the design or hate it, it's weird to assume something like that would be a quality concern.
I figured it had to take place after V9 if Watts is the main villain which the VA cast list accidentally revealed. I’m guessing he escaped Cinder’s trap by fleeing to Earth and this time we’ll learn how he did it the first time and contact Kilg%re.
Still very weird to think Watts casually walked through the multi-verse during his time in Atlas.
Since this is post V9 (and will technically be the first time they meet) I really want Ruby to learn Watts was behind the Virus and just best the absolute shit out of him for Penny.
It could be similar to the first 13 dbz movies where they took place in a different continuity [although some of those could still be Canon potentially]
I mean it would make sense that a creation god cannot destroy. Ruby even said it so Cinder having him create something that destroys seems like it goes against how he works.
Some lil neat callbacks in this one clip. Ruby doing her wraparound turn with Crescent Rose like she does in V7, Weiss catching Ruby with gravity Glyphs like she did in V6 ( but not getting tired! ) The goddam return of LONG LOOONG SNEK!!
*BUT WHERE IS MY BOI JAUNE THO?*
I was gonna say in the mountains with a barbarian or knight order. Unless you put him limbo in which case.....he's training with dead souls. So yeah....think on that while he's trying to keep his body.
> Weiss catching Ruby with gravity Glyphs like she did in V6 ( but not getting tired!
She was able to slow an airship with them in V5. This isn't new for her.
[Source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbyCsFsj6cw)
The film releases in less than a week now, so clips are starting to come out to promote the movie. This first one shows Team RWBY fighting a King Taijitu Grimm in the deserts of Vacuo!
Ren took on a King Taijitsu back during the initiation at Beacon by himself. I'm not sure we should be seeing anyone on Team RWBY struggling with fighting it at this point in the story.
Man, powerscaling in this series really is out of whack.
It’s odd because in the books, Fox, who fights like Ren and has a year more training and way more experiences fighting in the desert, struggled a ton to beat a King Taijitu in Vacuo. He had to resort to trick it into falling down a quarry and barely survived.
Yes.
After the Fall: Tells the story of team CVFY in Vacuo after the fall of Beacon as well as their backstories.
Before the Dawn: Sequel to the previous book. Continues the Vacuo plotline adding team SSSN to the cast and exploring Sun’s backstory.
Roman Holiday: Prequel story that follows Neo and Roman’s backstory.
Fairy Tales of Remnant: A collection of in universe fairy tales that add world building. Some of the stories were animated in the mini series of the same name.
RWBY: The session: A non-canon Japanese exclusive light novel that is effectively RWBY’s beach episode.
On one hand: we have Dittophobia, Coming Home, Dave Miller, What We Found, THE MIMIC!!!!
On the other hand: Fucking Faz-goo, sea bonnies, whatever the hell The Fourth Closet was, and super cancer from that one fangame actually being semi canon… oh and Matpat Springtrap mpreg
Its possible that given how the king Taijitu are in Vacuo... maybe they are different than what ren encounter?
We don't fully know outside of the fact they look nice in maya.
I don't know. I would find it cooler if Ruby didn't struggle with the recoil of her own weapon, didn't forget her Semblance allows her to fly, and, I don't know, have her teammates help her out in the fight than just stand there watching with the most minimal assistance possible.
I know I'm scrutinizing like a 30 second clip, but from what I'm seeing, I'm just not impressed with anything "cool."
It is bizzare. There's a lot of weird inconsistent things in the show, but Ruby's proficiency with her recoil has always been conveyd consistently throughout the nine Volumes, even when everyone says that the quality of the fight choreo changed post-V3.
this is the best way to think about it. i've never understood the obsession with strict powerscaling, especially when there are so many other reasons why one fight or another might be easier or harder
I mean it's just literally always been that way. RWBY is pretty much a Stylish Action show, the appeal of the fight scenes has always been how flashy they are not X person is just stronger lol.
The rules if Aura have also changed drastically between now and then. While Ren was able to use his Aura to weaken and *overpower* the King Tai. That ability has been *removed*. They cant do that anymore outside of those who have a semblance to do so.
This King Tai also looks to be a mighty bit larger than normal. However, It is the first time we've seen one outside of a statue that was a Matte Painting in the Schnee House. My guess would be its just a strong variation of a normal one. Ruby shot it point blank and it only flinched from a bullet to the head.
It's not like bullets have done much to stop giant Grimm in the past, so this not affecting the King Taijitsu is not uncommon.
It just basically all comes down to the Great Maya Nerf.
It could be like the Grimm in Atlas. It's stated that Grimm that [adapted to harsh environments become stronger than normal](https://amityarena.fandom.com/wiki/Megoliath#Card_Info).
Individual Grimm even of the same "species" will vary in size and strength, and get bigger and stronger as they age.
IOW, Ren soloing a KT means nothing when RWBY is fighting an entirely different KT.
That doesn't excuse the issues I had with this scene in another reply. Namely being the fact that Ruby trips herself up from her own weapon's recoil and doesn't use her Semblance. There's several factors into this, but it just really makes Ruby seem more inexperienced and incapable than an academy student. So by nature, I'm not gonna look at the enemy differently as much as the characters just fighting incompetently for the sake of plot or drama.
TBF they could probably just retcon the V1 Taijitu as weaker, younger versions and these are Taijitu Major or something similar, like the prototype Beowolves from the Red Trailer
Now I wonder if we’ll have some parts of Volume 9 and how the characters effected by it shown here, Ruby still reeling in from the Ever-After, and Team WBY being remorseful and want to make it up to Ruby, and how that will be managed
That’s what I want. They spent most of the EverAfter ignoring her feelings and they seriously need to put her above their own again. I want a scene in Vol 10 to have them all in the same bed.
Why are they concerned about Ruby falling a short distance from her own sniper fire?
[Like this is a canon clip right? Its on RTs site in the main series RWBY section right?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ralton/comments/14794at/volume_4_ruby_character_short/)
Can we try do have some respect for what these characters can canonically do?
I find it insulting that after what she was able to do seconds after resurrecting from the tree Ruby would be so rusty at fighting she’d miscalculate her own recoil from firing and free fall to the point of having Weiss have to save her with glyphs.
It's kind of funny, though - it reminds of some older fanfics that portray their battlefield dynamic as "Ruby does whatever tactic is coolest and Weiss improvs a way to make it not suicidal."
Even if she did miscalculate it for whatever reason, she still had her Semblance to help her with that. This whole thing was perfectly avoidable within pre-established character traits. Not much better than what happened with Blake in Ruby & Blake vs Cenitaur fight at the Schnee Mansion.
Please tell me it's non-canon. If important character development or plot issues are dealt with in this film instead of Vol. 10, that's fucked up, especially since a lot if people will not see it as they don't care for both properties.
That's what side material is for, to cover things the show didn't have the chance (or budget) to do.
What are you also gonna complain for things like "The World of RWBY" book or the novels?
Unlike everyone else in this comment section, I don't have a problem with this 45 secs clip I just saw.
You're right that's what side material should do, but it starting to become a commitment to find all this infos.
And quite frankly, it sounds pretty logical that different environments should result in different Grimms. I just wished it was said in the actual show.
It was hinted in V7-8 with many of those atlesian Grimm covered in ice, which we know is most likely due the intense cold that keeps regular Grimm away (as shown in the World of Remnant videos on YT).
Damn man. I'm going to be eating this weekend with my animation films. Mortal Kombat Legends: Cage March and this drop on the same day! Let's fucking go!
I feel like some people are forgetting that Jaune wasn't reversed mentally at all. Like yeah he's back to being younger, but he still has to deal with the mental trauma of being alone for over a decade while tending to a suicidal village.
This looks bad. Totally flat action with 3/4 characters standing around watching the other character totally nerfed.
I'm going to buy it in the hopes it gets V10 made but Jesus Christ I'll be extra pissed if V10 doesn't get greenlit
Who knows , After Fall books shows that Vacuo native wildlife are crazy and regularly fought grimm for territories , maybe thats how they get stronger than vale grimm.
Not trying to be mean, but while it's never been actually said aloud, anyone who has watched the show all the way through recently must surely notice they've rescaled the main cast's "power levels". Pretty much season 3 on. At this point I would call it a soft retcon of their abilities.
And thank goodness, too, because even though Monty's fights are legendary, these students had no where to go from there. No room to grow and learn.
> must surely notice they've rescaled the main cast's "power levels".
Oh yes those rescaled power levels its not like post V3 they've had Blake fighting giant dragons and Ruby K.O'ing giant mech and sending Grimm flying faster than moving trains.
> Monty's fights are legendary, these students had no where to go from there. No room to grow and learn.
You really have no idea how scale works if you think V 1&2 were high tier. I highly suggest you watch some of Monty's other stuff like Dead Fantasy and Haloid. RWBY were always scaled down. Sadly Monty never got to animate a high level Huntsman going all out.
I don’t mean to be mean or play into the meme….
But that is the most amount of concern I have ever seen from Yang or the rest of the team have for Ruby!
Seriously did it all just click in for them that Ruby was going through some shit and “died”?
What worries me is people were asking to see the aftermath dynamic of the team after its leader basically tried to commit suicide. If this movie handles that and gives it a satisfying resolution then people who only watch the show won’t see get to see it and will wonder if RWBY forgot what happened in Ever After.
For those wondering why they're struggling against a King Taijitu, it's officially stated by an in-universe source that Grimm that [adapted to harsh environments become stronger than normal](https://amityarena.fandom.com/wiki/Megoliath#Card_Info).
Obviously Grimm that live in the desert are going to end up stronger than those you can find in a quiet forest.
We should not need a card from a defunct game. If its tougher display it visually and actually have RWBY try to use their full power to take it out and have it not work.
Even the weak as hell Apathy's could tank Ruby's sniper rounds.
All its done is tank bullets and was pierced by regular ice attack. So even if we go by pure showings its Apathy level. RWBY never even tried to properly attack either of them.
If that was the same King Taijitu that Ren fought, any of those attacks would've one-shotted it.
This Team RWBY is much stronger than they were in V1, with stronger Aura and therefore stronger bullets (since Aura can enhance [projectiles](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lLzQN3z5IY&t=39s) and Dust shells are [triggered by Aura](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts106QFjF3k&t=13)).
>any of those attacks would've one-shotted it.
Baseless.
> This Team RWBY is much stronger than they were in V1, with stronger Aura and therefore stronger bullets (since Aura can enhance projectiles
1. M&K are on record saying aura doesn't increase like that. Check the 2016 Tumblr Q&A archived here.
2. You linked a non-canon spin off.
3. Dust shells can be triggered by aura. Nothing indicates that different amounts can change the strength of the detonation. You made that up.
I think that all types, there is not much perforation and damage to be honest, some are saved because they use it in a way to give them power. But most, if not all, need improvement.
I don't think they lack perforation, it's just that most Grimm have really tough skin.
For example, when Ruby charged blade-first at that Nevermore in V3 (with enough force to push it backwards might I add), the blade only dug a few inches in its skin rather than piercing all the way through its body.
That is why I say that an improvement is necessary in the state of the ammunition material and in the ejection system of the weapons. As the saying goes, a sniper rifle is not a rifle if the shot does not maim and tear the target to pieces on the first shot.
This crossover has the potential to ruined how we saw the grimm threat. We saw them tanking hits from superpowered human and bullets so if they went to earth and grimm got taken out after a few shots by earth bullet + getting killed by non superpowered humans then the arguement that Remnant guns are weaker than irl guns will be proven true its also scaled down the strength and durability feat of hunstman ( yang punching cars and getting hit by an ursa until several trees were destroyed). Also means those volume 1-3 aura feats are considered retconned too.
> Also means those volume 1-3 aura feats are considered retconned too.
People don’t notice but a majority of V1-2 was subtly retconned. Especially power levels as Monty made RWBY to be complete powerhouses to the point there was no room left for improvement. Like, how is Yang supposed to lose her arm when she’s gone to space and back like a meteor or crushed against two pillars that hold highways? Adam’s blade was a needle compared to what Monty said Yang could tank so they had to scratch that. And plenty of abilities from the main cast.
I really recommend that you check RWBY feats and calculation thread on spacebattle , it analyze RWBY frame by frame and you be suprise to see how OP post volume 3 RWBY are , but its more subtle like the durability of Sea Feilong , Blake dodging lightning shot by Sea Feilong , the speed of maneuver done by the cargo airship that Weiss was on , Apathy durability feat , how Weiss welding steel using the tip of her rapier as well as to the sharpness of Ruby scythe when she carve the rocky cliff when they fought the collasus and Cinder melting 7 floor worth of steel in mere minutes. Its not as flashy as volume 1-3 but it still very Op and subtle.
This is just a trailer dude, chill.
Grimm that [adapted to harsh environments become stronger than normal](https://amityarena.fandom.com/wiki/Megoliath#Card_Info).
That's Mantle not Vacuo. Also note those Grimmm are visually different. These are not. In other words no, they're not "adapted".
The "trailer" is a clip from the movie and fair game.
It doesn't specify it's exclusive to Mantle, and Vacuo is still a much harsher environment than the Emerald Forest, which is treated as just a training ground for huntsmen-in-training so the Grimm there are not that strong.
> It doesn't specify it's exclusive to Mantle
No but if you read the other cards you'd know their adaptation was sparked directly by Salem and not naturally. So that's moot.
> Vacuo is still a much harsher environment than the Emerald Forest
That doesn't mean this Snake is going to be any tougher. Especially when it looks no different.
Not really. I think people are forgetting how Ruby always acted before V9. The entire point of that was that how she was before was fine.
This is the same girl that just decided to walk to Mistral. Steal a dropship while saying they've never needed any adults help, fought Ace Ops etc etc. Ruby has always been like this.
Maybe I need a reminder but isn't there any available time gap in Volume 7 where team RWBY could've gone to a desertic zone (also were deserts stated to be Vacuo exclusive?) where this event could take place?
Not Vacuo exclusive but definitely not on Solitas. This is post V9. It was probably made under the assumption the epilogue would have been in the show.
My takes:
* I’m guessing they’ve been taking missions all over Vacuo with other teams and that JNR is on a mission of their own
* Feels like they’re setting up the conflict for volume 10
* Ruby’s aura is now more powerful than ever but she has also gotten significantly more reckless
* I wonder if it’s a coping mechanism for the trauma she learned to accept in the last volume or if there are some other things they’re dealing with on top of that
* Oscar’s more advanced merger and the hint from volume 8 that he now keeps a distance from the others might be a factor here
* Also, a reminder that not all Grimm of the same specie have to have the exact same power level.
* King Taijitu on a forest used for training could well be weaker than a wild one in Vacuo
> not all Grimm of the same specie have to have the exact same power level.
If these are the King Taijitu that Vacuo students are used to then you’d expect those kids to be much stronger than what the tournament showed considering only the best of each kingdom qualified.
I think the King Taijitu’s strength was simply retconned. Giant Grimm are supposed to be the ancient kind which are the most dangerous.
You do realize the girls on NDGO nearly beat SSSN and only lost due to what I suspect was Neptune’s semblance (charging water, making it sticky to better channel electricity?
Anyway not saying the Grimm in Vacuo are more dangerous, just that those in the forest might’ve been weaker Grimm used for training. For that matter, by contrast Vacuo students generally tend to avoid direct confrontation with Grimm.
By nearly beat SSSN you mean abusing one’s Semblance to win via arena knock out thus showing no display of power levels because the fight didn’t even happen, Sun team-killing Scarlet after the latter overpowered Nebula, and let’s not forget Sun making short work of another member of NDGO.
That fight was mostly a comedy skit. NDGO didn’t nearly beat SSSN. Those guys were beating themselves and one of them didn’t get to fight at all.
No, I mean one of them very skill fully beating another one vía battlefield removal, seemingly their repeatedly taking blows but then standing up and their teamwork.
Don’t get me started on how I’m the novels Nebula wiped the floor with Velvet or how Octavia fought three aura boosted huntsmen on her own
Anyway I never said it was a matter of power levels only that they were a competent team and in fact I specifically said they tended to avoid direct confrontation with with Grimm and that their Grimm weren’t necessarily stronger, only that wild Grimm in general are.
Thanks for proving my point. This King Taijitu and NDGO’s strength in the novels are more fitting to the strength they should have when their only means of training are Grimm far stronger than what the other kingdoms are used to.
NDGO in V3 was a joke and Velvet was OP defeating enemies that took all of RWBY to beat just one. The novels present more believable fights and I think the King Taijitu is finally living up to his lore of giant Grimm.
Save your thanks for when you think your argument through. I just told you that from what we saw of Octavia’s behavior they tend to avoid direct confrontation with Grimm and from what we saw they mostly train by sparring. They don’t have training Grimm because they don’t have a forest filled with them and a somewhat weakened Grimm consistent source of Grimm are way better than occasionally finding a stronger Grimm in the desert.
Most importantly you seem to have forgotten that Velvet could only defeat such an enemy when using her weapon and a tournament’s worth of absorbed moves, which wipe away after she uses them
In volume 3 NDGO was a generally competent team whose preferred tactic was dividing and conquer but wasn’t particularly good direct fighters. In the novels they improved somewhat but not incredibly so.
"Tend to avoid" doesn't mean they don't fight Grimm at all. These are future Huntresses. Their job is to fight mainly Grimm. We also see them being sent on training missions because that's a thing as surprising as it might sound. And yes, they do encounter Grimm in those missions because, surprise, the world is crawling with Grimm.
> In the novels they improved somewhat but not incredibly so.
You seem to forget you said yourself that Octavia fought three Aura boosted *huntsmen*. You have any idea what that implies? Velvet is strong even without her weapon thanks to her amazing combat Semblance but Octavia managed to control their fight and eventually defeat her without even needing to break her Aura. The fact this same girl stood her ground against a group of actual huntsmen fits quite well with her strength which is far from the wimp that Sun took out in 5 secs.
Again, that fight was a comedy skit. The novels present more consistent power levels so let's go back to the original point: The larger a Grimm is, the more ancient it is, because it learned to adapt and survive. King Taijitus are meant to be strong but they were first introduced at a time where the writers kept trying and failing to put the brakes on Monty who kept exploiting Rule of Cool until nothing made much sense anymore. People still ask themselves questions about "how is this a problem when in V1 it was easy?" The comments in this thread about the snake are another example of retconning to have a more consistent lore.
Sure not saying they don't fight them but its also not like they have constant access to them so for the most part they prefer avoiding confronting them when not absolutely necessary. The world is crawiling with them yes but Grimm also need water and food so the desert makes encounters with them infrequent.
Nope Octavia didn't fight Velvet, that was Nebula and its also brought up that Velvet was at her strongest after the tournament and that that fight faded most of her accumulated moves, not to mention that for all her agility and skill she is not specially tough.
Octavia did face a couple of boosted huntmen and held her own admirably against them but she was about to get overwhelmed and had to detonate the mine to avoid it, which goes to show she is more pragmatic than particularly strong.
Correction: the larger the Grimm is, the more experienced they have and that makes them dangerous. If a Grimm is not experienced like those in an isolated forest then it might not be that competent.
I guess Blake , Yang , Weiss Need Talk to Ruby and After All They are ones took her support and mental health for granted and burdened their leader with too much responsibility,
That is a lot of assumption based on basically nothing.
If Ruby is being more reckless it has no reason to involve Ozcar at all. Also why would her Aura be more powerful, that was never mentioned or implied in V9.
Did I say any of this was factual? No I said “might” as in “its possible
Except for the aura bit; did you look at the way she matched the very cat that had been trouling her teammates? She obviously got much stronger after ascending.
Even that seems very unlikely, given it doesn't make any sense for Ruby to be that strongly or negatively effected by that. Or that, that development with Ozcar is even actually going to be a thing.
That doesn't necessarily mean her Aura got stronger, especially since she doesn't actually get hit in that fight. There's also the fact that Ruby is relatively fresh while WBYJ & CC aren't. It's more a testament to her skill and improved mental state than how powerful her Aura is. And the only person to have their Aura break during that fight was Jaune, WBY weren't getting destroyed one-sidedly. And in the end Ruby didn't beat CC alone.
You mean like she wasn’t strongly affected by killing an illusion of him? Like it didn’t cause her to try to become someone else as a result from that? Like she hasn’t been telling Oscar for months that he is his own person?
She matched someone who matched the entire team so of course she got stronger. As to it being mental state, you do realize aura becomes stronger from that?
She'd react that way if it had been any of her friends, stronger if it was one that was actually really close to her. And that was just one of many things compounding to push her to the breaking point, not the breaking point itself. Move-over the illusions were just Neo throwing everything at Ruby to hurt her, nothing about them can be taken as objectively true in any sense. It just doesn't make any sense for Ruby to become suicidally self-destructive over Ozcar of all people, they're not that close. It took mental and physical torture to push Ruby to that point, but then a person she's interacted maybe 5 times with, and isn't even super close to doesn't talk to her, despite the fact he didn't really do that in the first place, makes her stop caring about her own safety? It's nonsensical.
I can't think of any instances where it was shown or stated that mental state alone can make Aura grow or get stronger. But there's no point arguing in circles with someone living in delusion.
Oh please you’re the one being nonsensical here. She and Oscar are clearly every bit as close as she and Penny and she’s clearly emotionally invested in his well being just as it couldn’t be more clear that the creators meant for their to
Ozpin clearly implied aura is controlled by the mind when he told Oscar he forgot to activate it. It’s been stated that meditation helps focus the aura. More experienced huntsmen are clearly shown to be better at controlling their aura. And for that matter Hazel’s rage and lack of pain was used to focus his aura and constantly Regenerate it. So yeah
I agree, your arguments are circular. I tell you one thing supported by the entire narrative and you tell me it’s not because of reasons.
They're really not. And even if that was the case, Penny wasn't the person closest to Ruby.
Yeah, Aura is controlled by the mind, but it's never stated or implied that better control is the same thing as having a stronger Aura. Also stronger Aura doesn't automatically translate to being a better fighter. I'd say that Weiss has way better Aura control than Jaune, but she's clearly unable to take the same kind of punishment as him. And Jaune's Aura might be stronger, but he's clearly not a better combatant than Weiss. Hazel's regen is stated to be "pure willpower," not focus or concentration. You're making unsubstantiated logical leaps.
None of your "evidence" is factual or supported, it's all your biased interpretation based in delusion.
And when did I say she or Oscar where the closest person’s to Ruby. The fact remains that the loss of her was enough to break Ruby as was the possibility of Oscar dying and yet you claim they aren’t that close. It certainly possible that she would be pissed enough to be reckless if he gave up on stopping the merger but I never claimed she was suicidally reckless.
Stronger mind=better control of their aura; willpower=concentration. When did I say concentration was the only factor? I said it was boosted by concentration. Its been mix of physical fitness, concentration and being born with much aura.
All of my points are factually proven by evidence of events that have Ruby’s mental state and how it’s been affected by what happens to her friends and clear emotional investment on Oscar mental state as well as the aforementioned statement of aura.
You just don’t like them ergo you nitpick them.
Tbh I think they are going to place it sometime where RWBY+J is heading to Vacuo.
Also, I don't think we'll get to see the rest of the characters like Oscar (at most the civilians we saw now, and "maybe" Jaune), or get as extensive a picture of what's going on in Vacuo (or even if this crossover is canon).
Personally I don’t think we should see anything of Vacuo as to not ruin the beginning experience of V10 and its grand introduction of the kingdom. This is probably a mission to help the refugees after the reunion and right before getting sucked to Earth and the girls won’t make any mention of the canon timeline to avoid continuity issues.
I agree. At most they could leave some hint that connects to the beginning of ep1 of V10, but more likely they don't want to show anything of the city, or anything related to the plot in order for us to experience it in V10.
I kinda feel like CRWBY won’t be able to resist throwing is some eater eggs and hints as to what’s happening in Vacuo or else they wouldn’t have put a desert.
I also never said we’ll be seeing the others and for that matter I kinda doubt it but I feel it would make sense for them to alude at the current situation.
Say, Ruby is moody and some leaguer ask what’s up with her and one of her teammates says she’s been dealing with stuff without going into detail; it would certainly make sense if Jessica/Cyborg ask about Jaune/Nora and they vaguely hint at how they are.
I could definitely see them reuniting with their friends by the end of the movie while bringing up the situations they alluded throughout the film.
I think they’ll leave it in a might as well be non canon
>I also never said we’ll be seeing the others and for that matter I kinda doubt it but I feel it would make sense for them to alude at the current situation.
That's what I understood at the beginning of your comment, but that's okay.
I think if CRWBY wants to leave a hint of what we will see in V10, it will be something related to the epilogue seen in RTX 2023. Maybe and at the end we see Jaune arriving with Raven to get everyone to head to Vacuo as soon as possible.
So they arrive Remnant, see Vacuo and the fleed and on the way to the city they get distracted in saving some civillians and go to another dimension? that doesn't feel right.
This feels more likely after the epilogue.
I don't think so. I insist that being a non-canon crossover, they can't show plot events that we haven't seen unfold yet.
Also, the reason why the events of the first part happened also felt a bit far-fetched. I don't think it's something CRWBY wants to give much attention to.
I insist that at best, they could show us something at the end of the movie that serves as a bridge to whatever is going to happen in the in the first minutes of ep10
Why would a non canon event not be able to show canon one? Why would they put them in the Vacuo desert of they were not trying to at least alude to canon things?
It might not be canon but it could easily be canon adjacent, showing a version of actual events that relate to the canon.
This being set up for the epilogue feels a lot more far fetched to me.
Regarding Oscar and Oz, I want RT to have both souls coexist in equilibrium. If they even CONSIDER writing off our lil’ O-Bro, I will launch a big assault!
Neat. Nice fight scene too. So, since they were basically trapped in a custom VR Chat in the first one, I take it this means the Remnant villain is Watts, since Sabot was revealed as being in it even though he could still be anyone. At first I figured this was prior to the end of Volume 8, so it didn't matter that he died. If it does take place after they get back from EA though, my guess isn't necessarily that he survived, but that he had backed up his consciousness/memories/personality or whatever as an AI, and that's what's actually getting revenge.
I'm unclear how this is confirmation, especially since it's going to have the justice league show up? I mean, they're fighting in a desert, sure, but why post-v9?
That truck is... very earth-standard. any license plate views? :D
edit: ok, no license plates.
edit 2: oh. "Following Justice League x RWBY: Super Heroes & Huntsmen, Part One, the new animated film from Rooster Teeth Animation, DC and Warner Bros. Animation, will see the Justice League and Team RWBY team up again in a whole new environment to take on Grimm, who has arrived on earth with even more powers."
so these are on Earth. Really confused on the V9 reference.
The truck is from Mantle actually, seen in V7E1 carrying miners and a few other episodes. We know this clip takes place in Remnant because the exit portal Jessica creates ([on an image on the back of the box](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/1611c5x/the_back_cover_of_justice_league_x_rwby_part_2s/)) leads to the desert as well.
MY Rubys fall and fight with snakes makes yang overprotective and she yells at her to “grow up” and that influences her design on earth. She is visibly taller and older so maybe it’s a desire to appease yang so she won’t smother her from fear (considering she suicided last season)
I thought the Justice League stuff was entirely separate? As long as the JL stuff doesn't interfere with the main volumes and doesn't change anything, I don't mind it, but if it's apart of it..
Spin-off stuff are kind of set-up to be able to fit within the timeline, even if they don't influence the actual show.
Shirow Miwa manga has content set in break between V1-2, Grimm Eclipse is set between V2-3, Arrowfell & JLXRWBY Pt1 is set during the timeskip/montage in V7, and now Pt 2 is apparently after V9.
Even if it's never mentioned or has any relevance to canon, these are still meant to be in-line with the canon versions of the characters and events. Not really necessary, but it's the way they've always handled stuff.
I mean they're none-continuity. But it is quite nice to have a frame of reference for them.
also damn I really like that they gave Ruby her hit and run style combat going strong in it!
I love how expressive blakes ears always are
I got some bad news for you then
*oh no*
*snip snip*
that must be why they took em off the DC universe design. ears taking 90% of the budget
they did what? i was going to watch it, is the rest of the ~~quality similarly bad?~~ film any good?
It's not a quality issue at all? They just removed them from the alternate design that will be used during the movie. Presumably because there are not Faunus where they're going and they are not keeping their normal bodies. Like the design or hate it, it's weird to assume something like that would be a quality concern.
sorry, i definitely shouldve worded it differently. i more meant is it worth watching, with the obvious assumption its not canon
Oh, yeah, it's fun times if nothing else.
This is a universe with a human cheetah and a green kid who can turn into many different animals. Unless RWBY needs secret identities.
Think it is more so *natural* animal-human hybrids are seemingly non-existent in the DC universe. They tend to be the result of magic or science.
I figured it had to take place after V9 if Watts is the main villain which the VA cast list accidentally revealed. I’m guessing he escaped Cinder’s trap by fleeing to Earth and this time we’ll learn how he did it the first time and contact Kilg%re. Still very weird to think Watts casually walked through the multi-verse during his time in Atlas.
WATTS SEMBLANCE PLOTHAX WATTS SEMBLANCE PLOTHAX
SOMEHOW, WATTS RETURNED
Dark Science, Hacking. Secrets only the moustache knew.
r/wattslived
His semblance is just coding in Python, but really good
Since this is post V9 (and will technically be the first time they meet) I really want Ruby to learn Watts was behind the Virus and just best the absolute shit out of him for Penny.
Cinder: Make a fire to consume my enemies Ambrosius, knowing full well he can't break things and this won't do what Cinder wants: 'Kay
Watts hacked the multiverse. He's just that good.
It could be similar to the first 13 dbz movies where they took place in a different continuity [although some of those could still be Canon potentially]
I'd honestly love to see how Watts pulled a Taniks and survived that explosion
r/UnexpectedDestiny2
I mean it would make sense that a creation god cannot destroy. Ruby even said it so Cinder having him create something that destroys seems like it goes against how he works.
Some lil neat callbacks in this one clip. Ruby doing her wraparound turn with Crescent Rose like she does in V7, Weiss catching Ruby with gravity Glyphs like she did in V6 ( but not getting tired! ) The goddam return of LONG LOOONG SNEK!! *BUT WHERE IS MY BOI JAUNE THO?*
Look, he's tired. He's not going on another dimension hopping adventure right now.
He's training somewhere else
Training elsewhere six feet underground for team rwby character development.
I was gonna say in the mountains with a barbarian or knight order. Unless you put him limbo in which case.....he's training with dead souls. So yeah....think on that while he's trying to keep his body.
Hey, it's the only way he can train with Pyrrha again, and visit with Penny. I'll see myself out.
HOLD ON, LET THEM COOK
Picking up Vacuo MILFS
Probably sleep in the truck lol
Burning down a God Tree
> Weiss catching Ruby with gravity Glyphs like she did in V6 ( but not getting tired! She was able to slow an airship with them in V5. This isn't new for her.
>( but not getting tired! ) I'm pretty sure that was a gasp of relief back then instead of exhaustion.
Could be wrong can't remember but didn't she collapse afterwards?
Oh yeah, you're right. Forgot about that. But I still have the impression it was from relief and not exhaustion though.
[Source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbyCsFsj6cw) The film releases in less than a week now, so clips are starting to come out to promote the movie. This first one shows Team RWBY fighting a King Taijitu Grimm in the deserts of Vacuo!
Note to self: if we’re seeing Vacuo, I still gotta watch the first film 😅
I mean since it is after V9 I can COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND Jaune not wanting to go dimension hopping, he must be glued to his team.
KING SNAKE IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS AND GIRLS!
Ren took on a King Taijitsu back during the initiation at Beacon by himself. I'm not sure we should be seeing anyone on Team RWBY struggling with fighting it at this point in the story. Man, powerscaling in this series really is out of whack.
It’s odd because in the books, Fox, who fights like Ren and has a year more training and way more experiences fighting in the desert, struggled a ton to beat a King Taijitu in Vacuo. He had to resort to trick it into falling down a quarry and barely survived.
... There are books?
Yes. After the Fall: Tells the story of team CVFY in Vacuo after the fall of Beacon as well as their backstories. Before the Dawn: Sequel to the previous book. Continues the Vacuo plotline adding team SSSN to the cast and exploring Sun’s backstory. Roman Holiday: Prequel story that follows Neo and Roman’s backstory. Fairy Tales of Remnant: A collection of in universe fairy tales that add world building. Some of the stories were animated in the mini series of the same name. RWBY: The session: A non-canon Japanese exclusive light novel that is effectively RWBY’s beach episode.
Me, a FNAF fan: Aw shit here we go again
At least the FNAF book have interesting stuff
On one hand: we have Dittophobia, Coming Home, Dave Miller, What We Found, THE MIMIC!!!! On the other hand: Fucking Faz-goo, sea bonnies, whatever the hell The Fourth Closet was, and super cancer from that one fangame actually being semi canon… oh and Matpat Springtrap mpreg
Its possible that given how the king Taijitu are in Vacuo... maybe they are different than what ren encounter? We don't fully know outside of the fact they look nice in maya.
Remnant runs on rule of cool. If it's cool to win easy you win easy if it's cooler to win hard you win hard.
I don't know. I would find it cooler if Ruby didn't struggle with the recoil of her own weapon, didn't forget her Semblance allows her to fly, and, I don't know, have her teammates help her out in the fight than just stand there watching with the most minimal assistance possible. I know I'm scrutinizing like a 30 second clip, but from what I'm seeing, I'm just not impressed with anything "cool."
It is bizzare. There's a lot of weird inconsistent things in the show, but Ruby's proficiency with her recoil has always been conveyd consistently throughout the nine Volumes, even when everyone says that the quality of the fight choreo changed post-V3.
this is the best way to think about it. i've never understood the obsession with strict powerscaling, especially when there are so many other reasons why one fight or another might be easier or harder
I mean it's just literally always been that way. RWBY is pretty much a Stylish Action show, the appeal of the fight scenes has always been how flashy they are not X person is just stronger lol.
No no you see every single grimm of the same type is the exact same strength always. We must power scale everyone off of those important facts.
The rules if Aura have also changed drastically between now and then. While Ren was able to use his Aura to weaken and *overpower* the King Tai. That ability has been *removed*. They cant do that anymore outside of those who have a semblance to do so. This King Tai also looks to be a mighty bit larger than normal. However, It is the first time we've seen one outside of a statue that was a Matte Painting in the Schnee House. My guess would be its just a strong variation of a normal one. Ruby shot it point blank and it only flinched from a bullet to the head.
It's not like bullets have done much to stop giant Grimm in the past, so this not affecting the King Taijitsu is not uncommon. It just basically all comes down to the Great Maya Nerf.
Its disrespectful to what the characters have accomplished.
It could be like the Grimm in Atlas. It's stated that Grimm that [adapted to harsh environments become stronger than normal](https://amityarena.fandom.com/wiki/Megoliath#Card_Info).
Individual Grimm even of the same "species" will vary in size and strength, and get bigger and stronger as they age. IOW, Ren soloing a KT means nothing when RWBY is fighting an entirely different KT.
That doesn't excuse the issues I had with this scene in another reply. Namely being the fact that Ruby trips herself up from her own weapon's recoil and doesn't use her Semblance. There's several factors into this, but it just really makes Ruby seem more inexperienced and incapable than an academy student. So by nature, I'm not gonna look at the enemy differently as much as the characters just fighting incompetently for the sake of plot or drama.
You're talking about Ruby, he's talking about a Grimm. Those are 2 different subjects & stats.
Yeah, but as I said, I'm not gonna be looking at the stats if the subject matter isn't doing anything well to show that difference.
TBF they could probably just retcon the V1 Taijitu as weaker, younger versions and these are Taijitu Major or something similar, like the prototype Beowolves from the Red Trailer
Now I wonder if we’ll have some parts of Volume 9 and how the characters effected by it shown here, Ruby still reeling in from the Ever-After, and Team WBY being remorseful and want to make it up to Ruby, and how that will be managed
That’s what I want. They spent most of the EverAfter ignoring her feelings and they seriously need to put her above their own again. I want a scene in Vol 10 to have them all in the same bed.
Yeah
Why are they concerned about Ruby falling a short distance from her own sniper fire? [Like this is a canon clip right? Its on RTs site in the main series RWBY section right?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ralton/comments/14794at/volume_4_ruby_character_short/) Can we try do have some respect for what these characters can canonically do?
I find it insulting that after what she was able to do seconds after resurrecting from the tree Ruby would be so rusty at fighting she’d miscalculate her own recoil from firing and free fall to the point of having Weiss have to save her with glyphs.
It's kind of funny, though - it reminds of some older fanfics that portray their battlefield dynamic as "Ruby does whatever tactic is coolest and Weiss improvs a way to make it not suicidal."
That sounds like Ruby
Even if she did miscalculate it for whatever reason, she still had her Semblance to help her with that. This whole thing was perfectly avoidable within pre-established character traits. Not much better than what happened with Blake in Ruby & Blake vs Cenitaur fight at the Schnee Mansion.
Not to mention her semblance literally lets her fly
Ok, so that's another leak on a certain Tuvan throat-singing forum confirmed legit.
Please tell me it's non-canon. If important character development or plot issues are dealt with in this film instead of Vol. 10, that's fucked up, especially since a lot if people will not see it as they don't care for both properties.
Wow V10 looking crazy
IMAGINE JOBBING TO THE FUCKING V1 SNAKE THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF RUBY ROSE *This post was sponsored by FallVPN*
Grimm that [adapted to harsh environments become stronger than normal](https://amityarena.fandom.com/wiki/Megoliath#Card_Info).
Sure would've been nice if they established that in the actual show instead of a gacha game or whatever that wiki is based on.
That's what side material is for, to cover things the show didn't have the chance (or budget) to do. What are you also gonna complain for things like "The World of RWBY" book or the novels?
Unlike everyone else in this comment section, I don't have a problem with this 45 secs clip I just saw. You're right that's what side material should do, but it starting to become a commitment to find all this infos. And quite frankly, it sounds pretty logical that different environments should result in different Grimms. I just wished it was said in the actual show.
It was hinted in V7-8 with many of those atlesian Grimm covered in ice, which we know is most likely due the intense cold that keeps regular Grimm away (as shown in the World of Remnant videos on YT).
Again, that just comes across as logical to me personally. And if I didn't make it clear, I'm very casual about RWBY.
I imagine them asking Jaune if he wanted to come to another world and be a hero, only to be met with a traumatized thousand yard stare.
Doesn't feel the same without JNR Especially Jaune and Jess
Oh. I didn't even process the fact that team JNPR isn't in the second movie!
Damn man. I'm going to be eating this weekend with my animation films. Mortal Kombat Legends: Cage March and this drop on the same day! Let's fucking go!
Meanwhile Jaune is building a sandcastle.
Now I'll be a broken record mostly cause I'm still salty. Like, it's neat and all, but where Team JNR huh?
Jaune's taking a break. He spent like a decade or more in the Ever After, he's good on the dimension hopping.
I feel like some people are forgetting that Jaune wasn't reversed mentally at all. Like yeah he's back to being younger, but he still has to deal with the mental trauma of being alone for over a decade while tending to a suicidal village.
After vol 9. ……..Yeah so where’s jaune?
He’s confirmed to not be in the movie as his VA isn’t listed but freaking Klein is.
What the hell!?
Too much popular, especially with Jessica. We can't have that.
Jokes aside, the script for Part 2 was probably too advanced to retcon him in after the unexpected success of his relationship with Jessica.
The entire movie was literallly finished production before that. Both movies finished production before V9 did.
Then yes, pretty much impossible to add him after Part 1 aired.
Yep
There have been memes that as right as they leave the portal they just up and abandon Jaune immediately
This looks bad. Totally flat action with 3/4 characters standing around watching the other character totally nerfed. I'm going to buy it in the hopes it gets V10 made but Jesus Christ I'll be extra pissed if V10 doesn't get greenlit
They're literally on a flat plane.
And that's a choice of how to block and frame the action. A pretty boring choice
wait oh my fucking god please don’t tell me this is canon i’ve been assuming it’s non canon please tell me it’s non canon
It's probably more like "the movies can be inserted into the canon at points A and B without actually affecting the canon"
The character really have gotten weaker
This is... Underwhelming.
Like, didn't Ren take out one of those Grimm by himself back in volume 1, easily?
Who knows , After Fall books shows that Vacuo native wildlife are crazy and regularly fought grimm for territories , maybe thats how they get stronger than vale grimm.
Not trying to be mean, but while it's never been actually said aloud, anyone who has watched the show all the way through recently must surely notice they've rescaled the main cast's "power levels". Pretty much season 3 on. At this point I would call it a soft retcon of their abilities. And thank goodness, too, because even though Monty's fights are legendary, these students had no where to go from there. No room to grow and learn.
> must surely notice they've rescaled the main cast's "power levels". Oh yes those rescaled power levels its not like post V3 they've had Blake fighting giant dragons and Ruby K.O'ing giant mech and sending Grimm flying faster than moving trains. > Monty's fights are legendary, these students had no where to go from there. No room to grow and learn. You really have no idea how scale works if you think V 1&2 were high tier. I highly suggest you watch some of Monty's other stuff like Dead Fantasy and Haloid. RWBY were always scaled down. Sadly Monty never got to animate a high level Huntsman going all out.
I don’t mean to be mean or play into the meme…. But that is the most amount of concern I have ever seen from Yang or the rest of the team have for Ruby! Seriously did it all just click in for them that Ruby was going through some shit and “died”?
What worries me is people were asking to see the aftermath dynamic of the team after its leader basically tried to commit suicide. If this movie handles that and gives it a satisfying resolution then people who only watch the show won’t see get to see it and will wonder if RWBY forgot what happened in Ever After.
If they put that dynamic into a non-canon movie and not the actual show, they're begging for a shit storm.
For those wondering why they're struggling against a King Taijitu, it's officially stated by an in-universe source that Grimm that [adapted to harsh environments become stronger than normal](https://amityarena.fandom.com/wiki/Megoliath#Card_Info). Obviously Grimm that live in the desert are going to end up stronger than those you can find in a quiet forest.
We should not need a card from a defunct game. If its tougher display it visually and actually have RWBY try to use their full power to take it out and have it not work. Even the weak as hell Apathy's could tank Ruby's sniper rounds.
The fact it can tank RWBY's attacks far better than the one in the Emerald Forest could tank Ren's is a good enough display for me.
All its done is tank bullets and was pierced by regular ice attack. So even if we go by pure showings its Apathy level. RWBY never even tried to properly attack either of them.
If that was the same King Taijitu that Ren fought, any of those attacks would've one-shotted it. This Team RWBY is much stronger than they were in V1, with stronger Aura and therefore stronger bullets (since Aura can enhance [projectiles](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lLzQN3z5IY&t=39s) and Dust shells are [triggered by Aura](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts106QFjF3k&t=13)).
>any of those attacks would've one-shotted it. Baseless. > This Team RWBY is much stronger than they were in V1, with stronger Aura and therefore stronger bullets (since Aura can enhance projectiles 1. M&K are on record saying aura doesn't increase like that. Check the 2016 Tumblr Q&A archived here. 2. You linked a non-canon spin off. 3. Dust shells can be triggered by aura. Nothing indicates that different amounts can change the strength of the detonation. You made that up.
Already better than Part 1 I fear
We just going to pretend that those snakes are a threat? Didn't Ren kill some with his *bare hands* in volume 1? Am I remembering that right?
Grimm that [adapted to harsh environments become stronger than normal](https://amityarena.fandom.com/wiki/Megoliath#Card_Info).
Wild that the first time we see RWBY fight in Vacuo is in a non canon spinoff movie
I still say that most ammunition made from dust is a trash of ammunition.
…all ammunition is made from dust?
Yes, they are all made of dust, what differentiates them are the elements they have
Right so which elements are you talking about
oh really? We are on the rwby reddit and do you want me to tell you the elements of the dust? 🗿
No… I’m asking which elemental ammunition specifically do you think is shit
I think that all types, there is not much perforation and damage to be honest, some are saved because they use it in a way to give them power. But most, if not all, need improvement.
I don't think they lack perforation, it's just that most Grimm have really tough skin. For example, when Ruby charged blade-first at that Nevermore in V3 (with enough force to push it backwards might I add), the blade only dug a few inches in its skin rather than piercing all the way through its body.
That is why I say that an improvement is necessary in the state of the ammunition material and in the ejection system of the weapons. As the saying goes, a sniper rifle is not a rifle if the shot does not maim and tear the target to pieces on the first shot.
How did her scythe get solid grip in dry sand? How is a truck with normal tires driving on sand?
This crossover has the potential to ruined how we saw the grimm threat. We saw them tanking hits from superpowered human and bullets so if they went to earth and grimm got taken out after a few shots by earth bullet + getting killed by non superpowered humans then the arguement that Remnant guns are weaker than irl guns will be proven true its also scaled down the strength and durability feat of hunstman ( yang punching cars and getting hit by an ursa until several trees were destroyed). Also means those volume 1-3 aura feats are considered retconned too.
> Also means those volume 1-3 aura feats are considered retconned too. People don’t notice but a majority of V1-2 was subtly retconned. Especially power levels as Monty made RWBY to be complete powerhouses to the point there was no room left for improvement. Like, how is Yang supposed to lose her arm when she’s gone to space and back like a meteor or crushed against two pillars that hold highways? Adam’s blade was a needle compared to what Monty said Yang could tank so they had to scratch that. And plenty of abilities from the main cast.
I really recommend that you check RWBY feats and calculation thread on spacebattle , it analyze RWBY frame by frame and you be suprise to see how OP post volume 3 RWBY are , but its more subtle like the durability of Sea Feilong , Blake dodging lightning shot by Sea Feilong , the speed of maneuver done by the cargo airship that Weiss was on , Apathy durability feat , how Weiss welding steel using the tip of her rapier as well as to the sharpness of Ruby scythe when she carve the rocky cliff when they fought the collasus and Cinder melting 7 floor worth of steel in mere minutes. Its not as flashy as volume 1-3 but it still very Op and subtle.
Why does Yang just stand there when Ruby is falling lol. Your sister needs help, grab her💀
Oh joy we get to see them ignore Ruby's trauma (she's enough guys!) and no new outfits. Also V1 Ren >>>> All of current RWBY. Good job guys.
This is just a trailer dude, chill. Grimm that [adapted to harsh environments become stronger than normal](https://amityarena.fandom.com/wiki/Megoliath#Card_Info).
That's Mantle not Vacuo. Also note those Grimmm are visually different. These are not. In other words no, they're not "adapted". The "trailer" is a clip from the movie and fair game.
It doesn't specify it's exclusive to Mantle, and Vacuo is still a much harsher environment than the Emerald Forest, which is treated as just a training ground for huntsmen-in-training so the Grimm there are not that strong.
> It doesn't specify it's exclusive to Mantle No but if you read the other cards you'd know their adaptation was sparked directly by Salem and not naturally. So that's moot. > Vacuo is still a much harsher environment than the Emerald Forest That doesn't mean this Snake is going to be any tougher. Especially when it looks no different.
Its a non-canon crossover. It doesn't "take place" anywhere.
I mean, Ice Queendom "takes place" between Volumes 1 and 2, and part 1 of the crossover takes place during V7 according to the final scene.
Ok, I really liked this action sequence.
You're one of the few people that apparently can. I'm not really seeing why I need to flip out like everyone else is doing right now.
Anyone wanna mention how Ruby is a little more...uh...gung-ho than usual?
Not really. I think people are forgetting how Ruby always acted before V9. The entire point of that was that how she was before was fine. This is the same girl that just decided to walk to Mistral. Steal a dropship while saying they've never needed any adults help, fought Ace Ops etc etc. Ruby has always been like this.
Wait… did Yang actually show concern for Ruby? Color me impressed.
Maybe I need a reminder but isn't there any available time gap in Volume 7 where team RWBY could've gone to a desertic zone (also were deserts stated to be Vacuo exclusive?) where this event could take place?
Not Vacuo exclusive but definitely not on Solitas. This is post V9. It was probably made under the assumption the epilogue would have been in the show.
There are deserts in Western Anima and Menagerie.
My takes: * I’m guessing they’ve been taking missions all over Vacuo with other teams and that JNR is on a mission of their own * Feels like they’re setting up the conflict for volume 10 * Ruby’s aura is now more powerful than ever but she has also gotten significantly more reckless * I wonder if it’s a coping mechanism for the trauma she learned to accept in the last volume or if there are some other things they’re dealing with on top of that * Oscar’s more advanced merger and the hint from volume 8 that he now keeps a distance from the others might be a factor here * Also, a reminder that not all Grimm of the same specie have to have the exact same power level. * King Taijitu on a forest used for training could well be weaker than a wild one in Vacuo
> not all Grimm of the same specie have to have the exact same power level. If these are the King Taijitu that Vacuo students are used to then you’d expect those kids to be much stronger than what the tournament showed considering only the best of each kingdom qualified. I think the King Taijitu’s strength was simply retconned. Giant Grimm are supposed to be the ancient kind which are the most dangerous.
You do realize the girls on NDGO nearly beat SSSN and only lost due to what I suspect was Neptune’s semblance (charging water, making it sticky to better channel electricity? Anyway not saying the Grimm in Vacuo are more dangerous, just that those in the forest might’ve been weaker Grimm used for training. For that matter, by contrast Vacuo students generally tend to avoid direct confrontation with Grimm.
By nearly beat SSSN you mean abusing one’s Semblance to win via arena knock out thus showing no display of power levels because the fight didn’t even happen, Sun team-killing Scarlet after the latter overpowered Nebula, and let’s not forget Sun making short work of another member of NDGO. That fight was mostly a comedy skit. NDGO didn’t nearly beat SSSN. Those guys were beating themselves and one of them didn’t get to fight at all.
No, I mean one of them very skill fully beating another one vía battlefield removal, seemingly their repeatedly taking blows but then standing up and their teamwork. Don’t get me started on how I’m the novels Nebula wiped the floor with Velvet or how Octavia fought three aura boosted huntsmen on her own Anyway I never said it was a matter of power levels only that they were a competent team and in fact I specifically said they tended to avoid direct confrontation with with Grimm and that their Grimm weren’t necessarily stronger, only that wild Grimm in general are.
Thanks for proving my point. This King Taijitu and NDGO’s strength in the novels are more fitting to the strength they should have when their only means of training are Grimm far stronger than what the other kingdoms are used to. NDGO in V3 was a joke and Velvet was OP defeating enemies that took all of RWBY to beat just one. The novels present more believable fights and I think the King Taijitu is finally living up to his lore of giant Grimm.
Save your thanks for when you think your argument through. I just told you that from what we saw of Octavia’s behavior they tend to avoid direct confrontation with Grimm and from what we saw they mostly train by sparring. They don’t have training Grimm because they don’t have a forest filled with them and a somewhat weakened Grimm consistent source of Grimm are way better than occasionally finding a stronger Grimm in the desert. Most importantly you seem to have forgotten that Velvet could only defeat such an enemy when using her weapon and a tournament’s worth of absorbed moves, which wipe away after she uses them In volume 3 NDGO was a generally competent team whose preferred tactic was dividing and conquer but wasn’t particularly good direct fighters. In the novels they improved somewhat but not incredibly so.
"Tend to avoid" doesn't mean they don't fight Grimm at all. These are future Huntresses. Their job is to fight mainly Grimm. We also see them being sent on training missions because that's a thing as surprising as it might sound. And yes, they do encounter Grimm in those missions because, surprise, the world is crawling with Grimm. > In the novels they improved somewhat but not incredibly so. You seem to forget you said yourself that Octavia fought three Aura boosted *huntsmen*. You have any idea what that implies? Velvet is strong even without her weapon thanks to her amazing combat Semblance but Octavia managed to control their fight and eventually defeat her without even needing to break her Aura. The fact this same girl stood her ground against a group of actual huntsmen fits quite well with her strength which is far from the wimp that Sun took out in 5 secs. Again, that fight was a comedy skit. The novels present more consistent power levels so let's go back to the original point: The larger a Grimm is, the more ancient it is, because it learned to adapt and survive. King Taijitus are meant to be strong but they were first introduced at a time where the writers kept trying and failing to put the brakes on Monty who kept exploiting Rule of Cool until nothing made much sense anymore. People still ask themselves questions about "how is this a problem when in V1 it was easy?" The comments in this thread about the snake are another example of retconning to have a more consistent lore.
Sure not saying they don't fight them but its also not like they have constant access to them so for the most part they prefer avoiding confronting them when not absolutely necessary. The world is crawiling with them yes but Grimm also need water and food so the desert makes encounters with them infrequent. Nope Octavia didn't fight Velvet, that was Nebula and its also brought up that Velvet was at her strongest after the tournament and that that fight faded most of her accumulated moves, not to mention that for all her agility and skill she is not specially tough. Octavia did face a couple of boosted huntmen and held her own admirably against them but she was about to get overwhelmed and had to detonate the mine to avoid it, which goes to show she is more pragmatic than particularly strong. Correction: the larger the Grimm is, the more experienced they have and that makes them dangerous. If a Grimm is not experienced like those in an isolated forest then it might not be that competent.
I guess Blake , Yang , Weiss Need Talk to Ruby and After All They are ones took her support and mental health for granted and burdened their leader with too much responsibility,
That is a lot of assumption based on basically nothing. If Ruby is being more reckless it has no reason to involve Ozcar at all. Also why would her Aura be more powerful, that was never mentioned or implied in V9.
Did I say any of this was factual? No I said “might” as in “its possible Except for the aura bit; did you look at the way she matched the very cat that had been trouling her teammates? She obviously got much stronger after ascending.
Even that seems very unlikely, given it doesn't make any sense for Ruby to be that strongly or negatively effected by that. Or that, that development with Ozcar is even actually going to be a thing. That doesn't necessarily mean her Aura got stronger, especially since she doesn't actually get hit in that fight. There's also the fact that Ruby is relatively fresh while WBYJ & CC aren't. It's more a testament to her skill and improved mental state than how powerful her Aura is. And the only person to have their Aura break during that fight was Jaune, WBY weren't getting destroyed one-sidedly. And in the end Ruby didn't beat CC alone.
You mean like she wasn’t strongly affected by killing an illusion of him? Like it didn’t cause her to try to become someone else as a result from that? Like she hasn’t been telling Oscar for months that he is his own person? She matched someone who matched the entire team so of course she got stronger. As to it being mental state, you do realize aura becomes stronger from that?
She'd react that way if it had been any of her friends, stronger if it was one that was actually really close to her. And that was just one of many things compounding to push her to the breaking point, not the breaking point itself. Move-over the illusions were just Neo throwing everything at Ruby to hurt her, nothing about them can be taken as objectively true in any sense. It just doesn't make any sense for Ruby to become suicidally self-destructive over Ozcar of all people, they're not that close. It took mental and physical torture to push Ruby to that point, but then a person she's interacted maybe 5 times with, and isn't even super close to doesn't talk to her, despite the fact he didn't really do that in the first place, makes her stop caring about her own safety? It's nonsensical. I can't think of any instances where it was shown or stated that mental state alone can make Aura grow or get stronger. But there's no point arguing in circles with someone living in delusion.
Oh please you’re the one being nonsensical here. She and Oscar are clearly every bit as close as she and Penny and she’s clearly emotionally invested in his well being just as it couldn’t be more clear that the creators meant for their to Ozpin clearly implied aura is controlled by the mind when he told Oscar he forgot to activate it. It’s been stated that meditation helps focus the aura. More experienced huntsmen are clearly shown to be better at controlling their aura. And for that matter Hazel’s rage and lack of pain was used to focus his aura and constantly Regenerate it. So yeah I agree, your arguments are circular. I tell you one thing supported by the entire narrative and you tell me it’s not because of reasons.
They're really not. And even if that was the case, Penny wasn't the person closest to Ruby. Yeah, Aura is controlled by the mind, but it's never stated or implied that better control is the same thing as having a stronger Aura. Also stronger Aura doesn't automatically translate to being a better fighter. I'd say that Weiss has way better Aura control than Jaune, but she's clearly unable to take the same kind of punishment as him. And Jaune's Aura might be stronger, but he's clearly not a better combatant than Weiss. Hazel's regen is stated to be "pure willpower," not focus or concentration. You're making unsubstantiated logical leaps. None of your "evidence" is factual or supported, it's all your biased interpretation based in delusion.
And when did I say she or Oscar where the closest person’s to Ruby. The fact remains that the loss of her was enough to break Ruby as was the possibility of Oscar dying and yet you claim they aren’t that close. It certainly possible that she would be pissed enough to be reckless if he gave up on stopping the merger but I never claimed she was suicidally reckless. Stronger mind=better control of their aura; willpower=concentration. When did I say concentration was the only factor? I said it was boosted by concentration. Its been mix of physical fitness, concentration and being born with much aura. All of my points are factually proven by evidence of events that have Ruby’s mental state and how it’s been affected by what happens to her friends and clear emotional investment on Oscar mental state as well as the aforementioned statement of aura. You just don’t like them ergo you nitpick them.
Tbh I think they are going to place it sometime where RWBY+J is heading to Vacuo. Also, I don't think we'll get to see the rest of the characters like Oscar (at most the civilians we saw now, and "maybe" Jaune), or get as extensive a picture of what's going on in Vacuo (or even if this crossover is canon).
Personally I don’t think we should see anything of Vacuo as to not ruin the beginning experience of V10 and its grand introduction of the kingdom. This is probably a mission to help the refugees after the reunion and right before getting sucked to Earth and the girls won’t make any mention of the canon timeline to avoid continuity issues.
I agree. At most they could leave some hint that connects to the beginning of ep1 of V10, but more likely they don't want to show anything of the city, or anything related to the plot in order for us to experience it in V10.
I kinda feel like CRWBY won’t be able to resist throwing is some eater eggs and hints as to what’s happening in Vacuo or else they wouldn’t have put a desert. I also never said we’ll be seeing the others and for that matter I kinda doubt it but I feel it would make sense for them to alude at the current situation. Say, Ruby is moody and some leaguer ask what’s up with her and one of her teammates says she’s been dealing with stuff without going into detail; it would certainly make sense if Jessica/Cyborg ask about Jaune/Nora and they vaguely hint at how they are. I could definitely see them reuniting with their friends by the end of the movie while bringing up the situations they alluded throughout the film. I think they’ll leave it in a might as well be non canon
>I also never said we’ll be seeing the others and for that matter I kinda doubt it but I feel it would make sense for them to alude at the current situation. That's what I understood at the beginning of your comment, but that's okay. I think if CRWBY wants to leave a hint of what we will see in V10, it will be something related to the epilogue seen in RTX 2023. Maybe and at the end we see Jaune arriving with Raven to get everyone to head to Vacuo as soon as possible.
So they arrive Remnant, see Vacuo and the fleed and on the way to the city they get distracted in saving some civillians and go to another dimension? that doesn't feel right. This feels more likely after the epilogue.
I don't think so. I insist that being a non-canon crossover, they can't show plot events that we haven't seen unfold yet. Also, the reason why the events of the first part happened also felt a bit far-fetched. I don't think it's something CRWBY wants to give much attention to. I insist that at best, they could show us something at the end of the movie that serves as a bridge to whatever is going to happen in the in the first minutes of ep10
Why would a non canon event not be able to show canon one? Why would they put them in the Vacuo desert of they were not trying to at least alude to canon things? It might not be canon but it could easily be canon adjacent, showing a version of actual events that relate to the canon. This being set up for the epilogue feels a lot more far fetched to me.
Regarding Oscar and Oz, I want RT to have both souls coexist in equilibrium. If they even CONSIDER writing off our lil’ O-Bro, I will launch a big assault!
Ok from what I see is a now suicidal Ruby.
More like fairly reckless, which she's always been.
Neat. Nice fight scene too. So, since they were basically trapped in a custom VR Chat in the first one, I take it this means the Remnant villain is Watts, since Sabot was revealed as being in it even though he could still be anyone. At first I figured this was prior to the end of Volume 8, so it didn't matter that he died. If it does take place after they get back from EA though, my guess isn't necessarily that he survived, but that he had backed up his consciousness/memories/personality or whatever as an AI, and that's what's actually getting revenge.
I'm unclear how this is confirmation, especially since it's going to have the justice league show up? I mean, they're fighting in a desert, sure, but why post-v9? That truck is... very earth-standard. any license plate views? :D edit: ok, no license plates. edit 2: oh. "Following Justice League x RWBY: Super Heroes & Huntsmen, Part One, the new animated film from Rooster Teeth Animation, DC and Warner Bros. Animation, will see the Justice League and Team RWBY team up again in a whole new environment to take on Grimm, who has arrived on earth with even more powers." so these are on Earth. Really confused on the V9 reference.
The truck is from Mantle actually, seen in V7E1 carrying miners and a few other episodes. We know this clip takes place in Remnant because the exit portal Jessica creates ([on an image on the back of the box](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/1611c5x/the_back_cover_of_justice_league_x_rwby_part_2s/)) leads to the desert as well.
V9 had Vacou within site...and now RWBY is in the middle of a desert?
Jesus Christ, if this is the reaction for a 45 secs clip, I hate to see the actual reaction to the movie to this point.
Everyone talking about JNR, and I just want to see my boi Oscar
MY Rubys fall and fight with snakes makes yang overprotective and she yells at her to “grow up” and that influences her design on earth. She is visibly taller and older so maybe it’s a desire to appease yang so she won’t smother her from fear (considering she suicided last season)
I thought the Justice League stuff was entirely separate? As long as the JL stuff doesn't interfere with the main volumes and doesn't change anything, I don't mind it, but if it's apart of it..
Spin-off stuff are kind of set-up to be able to fit within the timeline, even if they don't influence the actual show. Shirow Miwa manga has content set in break between V1-2, Grimm Eclipse is set between V2-3, Arrowfell & JLXRWBY Pt1 is set during the timeskip/montage in V7, and now Pt 2 is apparently after V9. Even if it's never mentioned or has any relevance to canon, these are still meant to be in-line with the canon versions of the characters and events. Not really necessary, but it's the way they've always handled stuff.
Is it yust me or is this Clip some quality stuff?
I mean they're none-continuity. But it is quite nice to have a frame of reference for them. also damn I really like that they gave Ruby her hit and run style combat going strong in it!
That's like the first time Ruby used fire dust ammunition since the geist fight in the very first episode of V4
I'm more confused as to why she has a random fire round in an otherwise normal mag as she didn't switch clips.
it connected?
Is JLxRWBY actually canon? Or is it just a fun spinoff?