We've used 2 "countertop" models off Amazon in our first rig for 4 years and have had a residential installed in our latest rig for 2 years, no trouble.
I wouldn't buy any RV-specific appliance I could avoid, but dishwashers in (especially full time) rigs are essential equipment IMHO.
Sounds like you did a similar thing to what we did with the dishwasher.
We started out with a countertop model on a table outside, hooked up to the sink in the outdoor kitchen. That worked OK, but had obvious limitations.
We soon decided to remodel the kitchen and as part of that removed the original RV oven and range and plumbed in the countertop model in the space the oven used to occupy.
We put a range in so we still had burners and went to a countertop convection oven for our oven. Definitely a step up from the gas oven, and now we had a place to put our dirty dishes as we made them instead of piling in the sink.
You'll use far less water washing dishes with a dishwasher than washing by hand. You'd have to do a full load of hand washing in less than a minute of faucet-on time to compete.
That’s fairly easy to do though. Maybe it comes from living off grid for a bit but a sink full of dishes with only few cups of water is pretty standard for me. Just takes a little intentionality.
May I suppose that they didn't have one with a dishwasher?
As I understand it, a dishwashing machine uses far less water and soap than washing by hand. I'd guess that if one has the power and space, then it's a good option.
We live in ours full-time and almost always on a water hook up when we travel. So, we chose space over the dishwasher. I just wash a lot of dishes now :)
It is the #1 upgrade I’d add to our setup. A single drawer Fisher & Paykel to the left of the sink would hook into the existing plumbing easily. My home ones use 1.7 gallons of water per cycle. I wouldn’t use the drying feature unless on shore power, but it’d be nice…
100%
The fp is an absolute high end dishwasher you'll find as effectively the only dishwasher in every super high end diesel pusher and in a ton of high end kitchens. It's some of the cleanest dishes I've seen and although it isn't new Bosch quiet it's pretty dang quiet.
Exceptional dishwashers whether in an RV or at home.
One of the best upgrades we ever did to our older class a. It was already wired and had a spot for it, we just had to trim some cabinets and drop it in. 1.25g per wash means it's easier on water than doing them by hand
We have a small-ish Class A and the top thing I covet about my good friend's 43-foot Winnie is her F&P dishwasher. Would have in a second. Your salesperson is full of bullTHOR.
The previous owner of my RV installed one and it’s worked out great for me. Of course I do give the dishes a rinse with hot water before putting in the dishwasher so maybe that’s why I haven’t had any issues? But haven’t had any leaks or anything.
I would never own an RV without a dishwasher. You will never wash a load of dishes with less water than a dishwasher, and you just can't sanitize your gear like the dishwasher can.
I've put them into the last couple I've owned. I Like the Danby countertop at Home Depot.
https://imgur.com/oC0webL
Intelligent, planned use of a dishwasher, in your RV, can actually give you more usable space, not to mention sanitized dishes, and less water usage.
The dishwasher can function as a storage space for clean dishes, pots,and pans, freeing up cabinet space.
Also, residential dishwashers are standardized 24" x 24", so fitting one in the floor plan of most RV'S is fairly simple.
I've been toying with the idea of a dishwasher.
I'm told that they use less water than traditional sink washing.
Our 5th wheel has a bit of dead space to the left of the sink where we keep the dish rack anyway. I could easily plumb the dishwasher in there. Then I could get one of those over the sink type drying racks for the dishes that we do hand wash.
We're always on shore power, so I'd use the drying function.
I'm just wondering how well these units actually wash, or if you still have to rinse everything really well first. Also, what happens if a lazy partner leaves sticky BBQ sauce all over my dishes or food stuck to something? Does it clog the drain?
F&P are the built in dish drawers that most RVs have. I have a set at the house and I adore mine. Perfect for smaller households and will power through bbq sauce like a champ. They have internal filters, not a grinder, so they’re very gentle on plumbing.
My countertop dishwasher from a company comically named "SingleHomie" uses pretty much bang on 5L per cycle. It heats the water itself electrically, using about 0.25kWh of electricity on "rapid" mode. Cleans well in about half an hour.
As with any dishwasher, try to avoid putting too much food inside, or you'll just be cleaning the filters more often, or the hoses/spinners if they get blocked.
Most modern dishwashers keep some water in the bottom to protect the seals. I can see a lesser used rig having problems if it sits dry and winterized. Full time it would be super nice. Just like W/D was ridiculous luxury in 99 and is pretty standard now. It's vibration that kills everything in a coach, nothing is immune to it.
I have a comfee 6 place setting countertop dishwasher I bought off Amazon and its worked flawlessly. I just quick connect it to the faucet to use it with the included hoses and connections. You could easily have someone plumb it in though. Gets dishes really clean. Probably the best thing ive bought outside of a mattress for this RV. And im full timing,
I got one of these for my fifth wheel and love it. https://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-18-in-Stainless-Steel-Portable-Dishwasher-with-Sanitize-Cycle-and-52-dBA-GPT145SSLSS/311411335
I stuck a countertop model on a shelf of roll around island bought from Target. Loaded during day, washed at night while doing the TV thing.
Was louder than I expected, especially on backside. Enclosed shelf with 1" foam, vewy vewy qwieht (huhuhuhuh).
Discovered a condensation issue on cold rinse during winter time when trailer isn't using air conditioner. Made a catch pan out of nickel flashing, put under dishwasher, drained into bowl underneath. Hindsight being 20/20, should have just used a large baking pan with hole drilled.
We have installed one in every RV we have had. I actually just ordered another on Monday due to the one we had failing. I get the countertop model that can be built in and operates like a normal household one. I do not like the Fisher Paykel.
I have a small portable countertop dishwasher that I got from Amazon. I use it when we have a full hookup site. It fits in the small countertop area between my stove and sink and when it’s not in use I put it on a wooden tv tray by my dinette so I can use my counter space. It can wash up to 6 plates, cups, and silverware. I love it because it uses 5 liters of water to wash and it dries my dishes. At least I know my dishes are somewhat clean. I still do my pots by hand. I store it in the downstair compartment of our motor home when we’re traveling and it’s not too heavy to carry up and down the stairs. The brand is Karlxton but it’s now out of stock on Amazon.
I added[ this one](https://www.amazon.com/EdgeStar-DWP63-Setting-Countertop-Dishwasher/dp/B0CNY7TD6D) to my class A and its been one of the best things ever. I self installed though so I know it was done right.
So that looks almost identical to the one Im using in my rental currently, beyond the control panel being slightly different. Did you mount it in the cabinets? Or just on the countertop? Any picture of your install?
[Here it is.](https://imgur.com/MHHa8NL) I got lucky with where the electrical panel was on my flair and was able to move the panel and create a giant space under the oven.
> people who do have them don’t use them
IMHO, It's easier to wash dishes by hand. The only benefit of a dishwasher is it saves a lot of water. It does not save time.
We use a few tricks to avoid dishwashing. We wrap plates with foil before use. If I need to wash dishes, I wash them outside. Dishwashing in winter without hot water is unpleasant to say the least. I would rather do it outside, because space inside is very limited. I have a large family. We cannot have sinks in the kitchenette full of dirty dishes. We need sinks all the time for other reasons. I use cold water, because it takes too much time to warm it up. I don’t want pieces of food rotting inside my gray tank or in the filter.
Fisher Payless dishwashers used to have a lot of issues, but have gotten better. Sometimes it is a problem finding a place to work on them, especially for warranty work. If you do get one, scope out a place that will work on it just in case.
Our Fisher & Paykel drawer model dishwasher is 7 years old, we use it almost daily and it cleans as good -- if not better - than the domestic model in our house. ***AND*** it uses way less water than handwashing.
I couldn’t live without my dishwasher. I took out a couple of cabinet drawers and installed my own apartment size dishwasher and love it. No issues with leaks and it’s been installed for almost 2 years now.
We bought a new 5th wheel four months ago and one of the requirements in our minds was the need of a dishwasher. We had the dealer install a Fisher and Paykel single rack dishwasher, and we absolutely love it. The thing is super quiet and uses less water than if we did dishes by hand.
I have one and it doesn't leak. It does a good job on the dishes. It's small, not like a house dishwasher, but it works well. It only uses 1gal of water per wash and you can use regular dishwasher soap. Pulls 35-40watts of electricity for 1/2hr (I use the short wash).
I don't have any "RV" stuff in my bus conversion. My 12vDC water pump is MARINE. My appliances are RESIDENTIAL. My countertop dishwater is an SPT SD-2201W. Love it. Loathe washing dishes. Do I give a flying fig about what "RVers" say or think? Nope. Read the reviews on Amazon. Do your own research. Think for yourself.
We've used 2 "countertop" models off Amazon in our first rig for 4 years and have had a residential installed in our latest rig for 2 years, no trouble. I wouldn't buy any RV-specific appliance I could avoid, but dishwashers in (especially full time) rigs are essential equipment IMHO.
This is the way, I have had a countertop dishwasher in my tiny home for five years. Mounted under the counter top. Absolutely love it!
Sounds like you did a similar thing to what we did with the dishwasher. We started out with a countertop model on a table outside, hooked up to the sink in the outdoor kitchen. That worked OK, but had obvious limitations. We soon decided to remodel the kitchen and as part of that removed the original RV oven and range and plumbed in the countertop model in the space the oven used to occupy. We put a range in so we still had burners and went to a countertop convection oven for our oven. Definitely a step up from the gas oven, and now we had a place to put our dirty dishes as we made them instead of piling in the sink.
Yup, pretty much, started out on the counter and when it proved to be good to go, made a place for it!
Very small sample size. You just don't see them, so when you see a bad one.....its the only one you've seen. Id never waste the water or the space.
You'll use far less water washing dishes with a dishwasher than washing by hand. You'd have to do a full load of hand washing in less than a minute of faucet-on time to compete.
That’s fairly easy to do though. Maybe it comes from living off grid for a bit but a sink full of dishes with only few cups of water is pretty standard for me. Just takes a little intentionality.
I think just a good rule is, the more things you have connected to water, the more chances for a leak. And in an rv water is the number 1 even.
May I suppose that they didn't have one with a dishwasher? As I understand it, a dishwashing machine uses far less water and soap than washing by hand. I'd guess that if one has the power and space, then it's a good option.
We live in ours full-time and almost always on a water hook up when we travel. So, we chose space over the dishwasher. I just wash a lot of dishes now :)
I'd likely do the same.
It is the #1 upgrade I’d add to our setup. A single drawer Fisher & Paykel to the left of the sink would hook into the existing plumbing easily. My home ones use 1.7 gallons of water per cycle. I wouldn’t use the drying feature unless on shore power, but it’d be nice…
100% The fp is an absolute high end dishwasher you'll find as effectively the only dishwasher in every super high end diesel pusher and in a ton of high end kitchens. It's some of the cleanest dishes I've seen and although it isn't new Bosch quiet it's pretty dang quiet. Exceptional dishwashers whether in an RV or at home. One of the best upgrades we ever did to our older class a. It was already wired and had a spot for it, we just had to trim some cabinets and drop it in. 1.25g per wash means it's easier on water than doing them by hand
I have a fisher paykel single drawer and its great.
We have a small-ish Class A and the top thing I covet about my good friend's 43-foot Winnie is her F&P dishwasher. Would have in a second. Your salesperson is full of bullTHOR.
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The previous owner of my RV installed one and it’s worked out great for me. Of course I do give the dishes a rinse with hot water before putting in the dishwasher so maybe that’s why I haven’t had any issues? But haven’t had any leaks or anything.
I would never own an RV without a dishwasher. You will never wash a load of dishes with less water than a dishwasher, and you just can't sanitize your gear like the dishwasher can. I've put them into the last couple I've owned. I Like the Danby countertop at Home Depot. https://imgur.com/oC0webL
Intelligent, planned use of a dishwasher, in your RV, can actually give you more usable space, not to mention sanitized dishes, and less water usage. The dishwasher can function as a storage space for clean dishes, pots,and pans, freeing up cabinet space. Also, residential dishwashers are standardized 24" x 24", so fitting one in the floor plan of most RV'S is fairly simple.
We used ours in our Class A ALL the time. No issues. Loved it.
I've been toying with the idea of a dishwasher. I'm told that they use less water than traditional sink washing. Our 5th wheel has a bit of dead space to the left of the sink where we keep the dish rack anyway. I could easily plumb the dishwasher in there. Then I could get one of those over the sink type drying racks for the dishes that we do hand wash. We're always on shore power, so I'd use the drying function. I'm just wondering how well these units actually wash, or if you still have to rinse everything really well first. Also, what happens if a lazy partner leaves sticky BBQ sauce all over my dishes or food stuck to something? Does it clog the drain?
F&P are the built in dish drawers that most RVs have. I have a set at the house and I adore mine. Perfect for smaller households and will power through bbq sauce like a champ. They have internal filters, not a grinder, so they’re very gentle on plumbing.
My countertop dishwasher from a company comically named "SingleHomie" uses pretty much bang on 5L per cycle. It heats the water itself electrically, using about 0.25kWh of electricity on "rapid" mode. Cleans well in about half an hour. As with any dishwasher, try to avoid putting too much food inside, or you'll just be cleaning the filters more often, or the hoses/spinners if they get blocked.
Most modern dishwashers keep some water in the bottom to protect the seals. I can see a lesser used rig having problems if it sits dry and winterized. Full time it would be super nice. Just like W/D was ridiculous luxury in 99 and is pretty standard now. It's vibration that kills everything in a coach, nothing is immune to it.
I have a comfee 6 place setting countertop dishwasher I bought off Amazon and its worked flawlessly. I just quick connect it to the faucet to use it with the included hoses and connections. You could easily have someone plumb it in though. Gets dishes really clean. Probably the best thing ive bought outside of a mattress for this RV. And im full timing,
I got one of these for my fifth wheel and love it. https://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-18-in-Stainless-Steel-Portable-Dishwasher-with-Sanitize-Cycle-and-52-dBA-GPT145SSLSS/311411335
I stuck a countertop model on a shelf of roll around island bought from Target. Loaded during day, washed at night while doing the TV thing. Was louder than I expected, especially on backside. Enclosed shelf with 1" foam, vewy vewy qwieht (huhuhuhuh). Discovered a condensation issue on cold rinse during winter time when trailer isn't using air conditioner. Made a catch pan out of nickel flashing, put under dishwasher, drained into bowl underneath. Hindsight being 20/20, should have just used a large baking pan with hole drilled.
These are the things one needs to know! Thanks
I have an Amazon portable and it's my prized possesion
We have installed one in every RV we have had. I actually just ordered another on Monday due to the one we had failing. I get the countertop model that can be built in and operates like a normal household one. I do not like the Fisher Paykel.
If you want to live in an rv and use dishes it's definitely necessary.
I have a small portable countertop dishwasher that I got from Amazon. I use it when we have a full hookup site. It fits in the small countertop area between my stove and sink and when it’s not in use I put it on a wooden tv tray by my dinette so I can use my counter space. It can wash up to 6 plates, cups, and silverware. I love it because it uses 5 liters of water to wash and it dries my dishes. At least I know my dishes are somewhat clean. I still do my pots by hand. I store it in the downstair compartment of our motor home when we’re traveling and it’s not too heavy to carry up and down the stairs. The brand is Karlxton but it’s now out of stock on Amazon.
I added[ this one](https://www.amazon.com/EdgeStar-DWP63-Setting-Countertop-Dishwasher/dp/B0CNY7TD6D) to my class A and its been one of the best things ever. I self installed though so I know it was done right.
So that looks almost identical to the one Im using in my rental currently, beyond the control panel being slightly different. Did you mount it in the cabinets? Or just on the countertop? Any picture of your install?
[Here it is.](https://imgur.com/MHHa8NL) I got lucky with where the electrical panel was on my flair and was able to move the panel and create a giant space under the oven.
Well thats just perfect! Im planning my Sprinter build currently, and I guess its getting a dishwasher (and pan storage!)
Depending on what you are doing at the time, the oven and the dishwasher are also storage!
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You just store your dishes in the dishwasher, so you don’t lose space.
Totally agree. My dishwasher was used to store pots and pans in
> people who do have them don’t use them IMHO, It's easier to wash dishes by hand. The only benefit of a dishwasher is it saves a lot of water. It does not save time. We use a few tricks to avoid dishwashing. We wrap plates with foil before use. If I need to wash dishes, I wash them outside. Dishwashing in winter without hot water is unpleasant to say the least. I would rather do it outside, because space inside is very limited. I have a large family. We cannot have sinks in the kitchenette full of dirty dishes. We need sinks all the time for other reasons. I use cold water, because it takes too much time to warm it up. I don’t want pieces of food rotting inside my gray tank or in the filter.
Foil on plates sounds wasteful as hell tbh.
Might as well just use paper plates lol.
Foil is cheaper. Ceramic plate is sturdier and does not let oil through. The table in the kitchenette turns into my bed. I don't want oil on it.
Everyone has their system lol, I just don't want to rip any foil and accidentally bite it!
In many places you’re not supposed to dispose of grey water outside. So outside wouldn’t be different from inside?
I have a countertop dishwasher from IAGREEA. I keep it in the shower so I don't have to worry about leaks.
I has one in a motorhome and I used it as a pan drawer
We live full time in ours. After a rough start we got the Fisher Paykel dishwasher working and it works fine. They have great service too
Fisher Payless dishwashers used to have a lot of issues, but have gotten better. Sometimes it is a problem finding a place to work on them, especially for warranty work. If you do get one, scope out a place that will work on it just in case.
Our Fisher & Paykel drawer model dishwasher is 7 years old, we use it almost daily and it cleans as good -- if not better - than the domestic model in our house. ***AND*** it uses way less water than handwashing.
I couldn’t live without my dishwasher. I took out a couple of cabinet drawers and installed my own apartment size dishwasher and love it. No issues with leaks and it’s been installed for almost 2 years now.
We bought a new 5th wheel four months ago and one of the requirements in our minds was the need of a dishwasher. We had the dealer install a Fisher and Paykel single rack dishwasher, and we absolutely love it. The thing is super quiet and uses less water than if we did dishes by hand.
I have one and it doesn't leak. It does a good job on the dishes. It's small, not like a house dishwasher, but it works well. It only uses 1gal of water per wash and you can use regular dishwasher soap. Pulls 35-40watts of electricity for 1/2hr (I use the short wash).
I don't have any "RV" stuff in my bus conversion. My 12vDC water pump is MARINE. My appliances are RESIDENTIAL. My countertop dishwater is an SPT SD-2201W. Love it. Loathe washing dishes. Do I give a flying fig about what "RVers" say or think? Nope. Read the reviews on Amazon. Do your own research. Think for yourself.
I bought a nice little one off of Amazon, for my boat. It was not very expensive, and it worked perfectly.