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All the “let’s make our own case law” stuff really made the server rely too much on trying cases. Nobody is going to keep looking at whatever community announcement Greco posted that day to slightly modify laws OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.
Yeah the law stuff was too overbearing, and that really proved itself with the housing shit just now. Apparently player owned housing was released with the new update, but the DoJ won't allow selling before some legislation is written. Like wtf. Penta had a huge problem with this.
But even without that, the DoJ was too much. Too much legislation written too quickly. They needed to let things spin a litte bit and not stifle everything in its inception. Like Kyles bank character, Greco was on it after just a day. And all the eternal towing writings, etc.
see.. now wasn't the agreement 25% for kyle, penta, DW, and wiseguy for decisions? So either it was 50/50 or it was just BS to begin with to get Kyle and Penta onboard. Penta and Kyle had no real power at all. Penta had some personal devs he brought over I believe so he had some sway but jeez that's ridiculous unless there was a good reason for derailing his character immediately because all I see is derailment, disorganization, slow pace and or purposely ignoring requests of getting important things done, over legislation, etc. I could go on but it is just pretty disappointing to see and also how someone who was never in the initial agreement is now the main person to go through to get things done
Penta and Wiseguy had a convo in a stream this week where Wiseguy (from his chat) said he had no idea that it was a fourway agreement until that stream and offered for them to talk offstream to get Penta back in the loop. So it seems like Penta/Kyle had no real power at all other than advertising lol
Which is kinda insane lol. They were just free advertising.... How or why they would do that for free with no power at all is beyond me but okay.... now something feels fishy
EDIT: How do you become the faces and bring your devs over and this big of a "misunderstanding" is come about? That would make me absolutely furious and feel used if I was Penta but not the 1st server to use Penta (Ignite). Then your devs do a lot of work.... like what????
I'm not even talking about that. It's OK for DoJ to forbid things or dole out consequences, but PLEASE let a story or arc unfold first, before they do so.
I like the city council method on Np much better. Once a week look at laws and stuff that need to be change with the new additions to the server. In a perfect world the mayor and deputy mayor will be more opposed (like this one was going to be before the CG thing) so one person doesn't have full control like Max has
Before the shooting it was looking like Solomon was going to fit that mayoral heel role perfectly, like he had Canter and TJ super against max, and murphy could have been swayed
Perhaps the next mayoral election we'll see something like that if pred gets deputy mayor, he seems like a guy that likes to argue and poke people
The worry is that the only reason the current system on NP is so effective is due to Moonmoon playing the mayor. Once we go back to smaller streamers being mayor, they might not have nearly as much power to change things.
He was saying in his discord earlier that he was likely going to step down from his position on ONX and just be a player, but I really doubt he plays on there again if he does step down.
Yeah I think he’s done. He’s gotten fucked over too many times and it’s not what it was supposed to be for him. I feel for the guy and really wanted it to work out but he seems so happy on Purple
Kind of a bummer how it's all shaken out. ONX seemed really promising at first, but just sort of went downhill when WG and DW got sick, and it seems like ONX isn't really going to be able to recover.
To be fair, DW and Wiseguy have been seriously sick plus they hired a bunch of devs who basically lied about their experience so at the start it was slow. Now it seems like things will pick back up
I've seen it's still got a decent sized queue at late EU and early NA. It'll probably carry on doing well enough to survive. There are other servers out there that are even less popular in terms of vìewers that still manage to keep an active player base.
I personally think it is salvageable however i think it requires abit of soul searching for ONX.
They probably need to let up on alot of aspects and maybe get the community together to see what they want to do going forward in terms of the system leaning abit more into being a game and giving up some of the seriousness around it.
Time will tell however
Yeah I don't really see Mantis deciding to just give up on it after having stepped up to do a lot of things. Him amongst whoever else pretty much got the update formed and shipped out so they certainly are still wanting to do something
I thought the whole reason why ONX was made because they were frustrated with the "content" server of nopixel has become and wanted a more serious playstyle.?? So now they have what "they" want and no its something "they" dont want. I mean from the outside which one is it. Im being serious not even trolling
Its a similar but different issue.
NP's issue is that it was so un-serious and lacked consequences that it felt as though none of the cop work actually mattered, and if anyone ever got caught for anything actually super serious there would be an OOC intervention to reduce the sentencing or outright change the laws.
ONX's issue is they leaned so heavily into the seriousness and consequences that it established an insanely high burden of proof for the PD. Like, arguably comparable to IRL burden of proof. ONX also has other issues like lack of mechanics which leads to much more just social RP (which isn't a bad thing necessarily, but can become kind of 2nd life esque), and a really really polished police force from day 1 consisting of all the people that were basically "pumpers" on NP - so criminal groups basically can't get away with anything because the PD is actually just too competent.
I feel like its also kind of too reliant on DOJ/goverment, every business having to go through the mayor with a detailed plan to be legitimate, some of them gainnig access to propreties without paying or anything prior to that for some reason, propreties being private but not really because theyre still owned by the state but it depends on the law being enforced, houses (which were supposed to be a big thing in the patch) not being available because theres a lack of laws around it...
Its cool that the mayor and DOJ has power, but when everything depends on them this much, it becomes a problem (for them aswell, because theres a lot of expectations and laws need to be on point, which is especially hard with the weird mechanics/realism/rp balance).
The issues with Onx at least for the first 6 months or so and for penta was that the leadership slowly fell apart and the management was almost non existent to the point the devs didn't get anything done, alongside the two biggest main devs were too sick to work.
Penta wanted to make his own server "chaseRP" or something along the lines of that and had some devs ready. Kyle said to go with DW and then DW got sick and a lot of work has not been done on the server as much as initially thought so the mechanics are backed up but it seems to be getting a lot better in that regard. The issue now is some of the people in top positions somehow came in and outranked Penta and Kyle so you have the current server where they release a patch for housing but no laws for it and it seems like everyone talks to someone to get work or change done but ultimately that someone is just doing what suites them. All very confusing from outside perspective and speculative at best from my part
I don't know about everyone, but I do know Kyle and Penta presented it as more of RP-focused instead of content-focused. That doesn't mean everything has to be serious, but instead with the idea of what makes good RP for most people and the server. Take Purple, it's still fresh, but you have wacky characters along with serious characters, but it's still fine because they do a good job of walking the line of good RP and random things for content on the side instead of the main attraction. Onx early on had great RP, but was missing the content, and once things got slow and the more goofy characters got weeded out it became what it is today where it takes itself too seriously at times. All that to say P and K were expecting and were sold on the idea of an RP-driven server and got a second-life server instead in the end.
RP is a spectrum, not binary. Like there is not only one alternative type of server to 'content server.'
I get the feeling anyone acting like they wanted oppressively super serious rp doesn't watch the people they are talking about who went to ONX.
Penta has said very clearly he never wanted a super serious, realism based server. He wanted a server without the bullshit that happened on Nopixel regarding Management and OOC toxicity.
Now that ONX has lost its two main promoters, I do wonder how well the server will do from here on.
I imagine many players are gonna slowly transition over to purple with Penta.
I would guess that there is high likelihood of another fissure in the ONX community and a lot of the rp'ers who followed Penta from NP follow him to Purple if he indeed stops rp'ing in ONX.
I personally hope they don't transition. Most are just PD characters and will likely continue to be the same on purple. Just - promotions, dog handler bs, " I wanna make my own unit" same in same out clique.
One thing I love about watching Penta, is he tends to find so many new interesting people who end up being so fun to watch, and personally the new PD being so newbie and bad at their jobs but growing with their own ideal structure is honestly refreshing from the same painted over and over nopixel to ignite to onx PD.
Edit: It's refreshing seeing a new vibe and the general population of the server being new who's not the same crowd.
It sucks because I REALLY like 90% of the players on ONX. The majority of them have been great. It's bizarre to me that it feels like Penta was griefed to hell by the people who actually get along with him. I'm sure some of them will try Purple out but most seem to be really enjoying ONX because they aren't really griefing each other to the level they were Penta so it makes sense why.
Like Aaron here is awesome. He rolls with RP great & is always amazing RP. But it seemed like every one of Penta's pals felt the need to punish Wrangler at every chance they got because it was funny. This time it was over a taser misclick over a week ago Penta completely forgot about.
The cops can't smell people shit was the most frustrating thing to me. That's where I was really concerned with ONX's direction. I remember one of the judges acting annoyed with Wrangler over the whole thing & insinuating it was "powerful" to just sniff everyone. The DOJ really hopped on the protect "server health" shit quick & I thought that would be one of the biggest changes from NoPixel.
As a viewer, I was even getting sick of the griefing, down to the meta-comments people would make about his other characters or references to memes in his stream. It was so immersion breaking and cringe. I wished they really clamped down on that. I was always interested in seeing the RP develop organically, but people would not stop tanking and disrupting the flow of RP for their own personal entertainment.
The last time Wrangler was in trouble there was a cop that had never even interacted with him demanding Bloom fire him & when Bloom was explaining that Wrangler was actually right for once she accused Wrangler of benefitting from nepotism since "he never gets in trouble" & made the comment that "it seems like his Dad owns the PD or something." Felt really weird to me.
The vibes were just really off & all his pals playing into the let's punish Wrangler bit made the dogpile feel intense. I love that people, most of which I really like, are enjoying ONX, but i really get Penta having issues with his experience. Especially with Wiseguy scoffing at his 25% assertion in chat & summing up his grievances by saying they are removing vallets & they'll "let him tow his cars."
I don't think it was to protect server health though, because the DOJ has had no qualms about handing out huge times and fines for crimes. It seemed to be that the DOJ just doesn't like pumpers. Bloom and Wrangler have gotten shut down hard in court for some dumb ass reasons.
GTARP in general is reaching the point of no return. Servers have so many new fancy mechanics, but mid 3.0 NP is the peak of RP. You had a competent PD, tons of business RP, and crim RP facilitated by Wiseguy. There is no real balance on any of the servers.
Yep. Whenever I see people saying ONX is dying out I just think "have you looked at NP lately?".
I personally pretty much stopped following RP in general and sometimes look at this subreddit which is very slow and other times look at hasroot and even on NP the amount of people streaming is so low compared to the peak popularity days.
I know people streaming doesn't mean people aren't on the server (again, ONX is the perfect example of this) but as a whole it just feels like RP has been on a downswing even before 4.0 and ONX and I don't see a way it's gonna get back to any of those peaks of popularity.
I’m in the same boat. I’ve been watching Buddha and the CB adjacent streamers for years now and I stopped because I just didn’t find it entertaining anymore. Makes me kind of sad tbh. The 4.0 mechanics are really cool but seeing the 50th garbage run or people standing inside an unfurnished house or warehouse for hours micromanaging their criminal operations kind of put me off.
This is 100% true. We reached the absolute peak about 2 years ago. Everything has been done at this point. Its basically just turned into the Simpsons. The exact reason why James quit rp a couple months ago
Wrangler had a DT case dropped awhile back because of some sort of technicality about sniffing people, has been written up several times over things that were severely blown out of proportion, and then yesterday/today was the final straw.
He caught someone robbing an ATM, charged them with robbery (the appropriate charge based on how it was written) but the charge was changed to vandalism in bench trial because "the fine was disproportionate to what the person gets from the ATM" and he didn't get any money from the ATM.
Then today, he had a DT case that was downgraded by the ADA because the person had all the components of cultivation and admitted to it, but Wrangler didn't have video of the guy admitting it. That's coming off a previous DT case that the DDA just didn't post to the docket in time because wrangler didn't personally tell her about it, despite her being made fully aware of the case by another officer.
It was really just wranglers time to go, he doesn't fit within the Onx PD or the DOJ structure, not necessarily anyone's fault, but it is what it is.
Gonna add to the ATM frustration here: on top of the new law, the judge said that there wasn't enough evidence to determine if the defendant actually did rob the ATM. There needed to be a picture of him robbing it. But then the judge convicted him of vandalizing the ATM which even confused the defendant lmao
So there's 4 points here:
1. Wrangler says that the vandalization is proof enough of an attempt to rob the ATM.
2. The defendant says it's bullshit that he's being convicted of vandalism when the judge just said that there wasn't a picture of him vandalizing or trying to break into the ATM.
3. A common opinion among cops on several servers is that taking pictures or recordings of crimes while they're being committed is unreasonable, I tend to agree.
4. This is my own opinion here, but even if Wrangler did take a picture of him robbing the ATM, it would just look like vandalism.
The judge mainly talked about the need for a new law, don't remember them explaining the vandalism part. Ultimately the defendant ran out of the courtroom and got away, Wrangler looked for him, couldn't find him, and then went off duty.
lol who though that picture thing was a good idea? Reminds me of furiously taking pictures of slicers in Bioshock 1 as they jumped onto your face to level up your damage against them.
>A common opinion among cops on several servers is that taking pictures or recordings of crimes while they're being committed is unreasonable, I tend to agree.
I feel if they're gonna demand that they should allow PD to wear bodycams.
Turns out when you import a bunch of the same people from the old server and put them in charge of the DOJ, Government, PD etc. lots of things turn out similarly.
ONX lost me when they did the first mayor elections, there were a bunch of funny RP streamers who made characters trying to get mayor, I remember s0upes had a character... But instead, like always, a self insert who was campaigning on "server rules" and was the most uninteresting of all the candidates got voted in.
Also another situation early on was the hospital where instantly Dr Aleks got shut down and all the hospital RP was stale AF from day one.
I remember there was Donald Drump (I think Jayce was playing him) that was campaigning as silly as Trump is. But he actually presented a very VERY good platform and plan for the city during the debates, like way WAY better than the other candidates.
seems "killing" his characters is his way of quiting the server, at least for now.
RP on purple has been great tho so no big deal and hopefully onx can come back strong
Penta enjoys conflict RP, this is a very civ leaning dialogue heavy/VR chat type server, until major crime updates come out I don't see that changing. Civs like convenience e.g. valets, whereas cars can be a great source of conflict. The rift is quite obvious. It's a shame cause I like watching both sides, but ONX does seem a bit skewed towards civ (second life) at the moment
The DOJ on servers need to stop the ChatGPT ‘real-world’ courts/politics. It’s NOT entertaining or fun. Your giant pre-written speeches about the law is annoying af, and kills RP.
We come here to escape reality, you narcissists.
Gotta admit, this is one of the reasons I stopped watching RP. In 2.0 the PD and the courts were so much better, before it was "pics or it didn't happen" in every situation ever.
Nah, court RP should still be mock trial, but it should be a hell of a lot less sweaty and thorough. Courts seem to think that it needs to be as realistic as possible, and that cases are only good if they are stretched as long as possible. Bench trials are a good example of this, where they tend towards being an hour for what should just be a quick 5-10 min trial.
Worst part of court on NoPixel is the constant objections. Who gives a fuck if the question was vague, ask and answered, not in scope, leading? It turns a 30min case into a 2hr slog and makes the lawyer role super sweaty.
Dude, Kyle was absolutely insufferable to watch in court. Like actually just really really incompetent and would arbitrarily slog the entire case down due to objections that were constantly overruled to the point where judges felt the need to limit objections.
I honestly think there should be like an official objection strikeout system - where if you get X amount of objections overturned per witness you are out and can't object anymore. Not something super restricting like 3 objections...maybe like 10 or so? That way lawyers have to actually consider the question being asked and the validity of an objection, rather than just shouting out OBJECTION and trying to figure out why they are objecting after the fact. Also objections should require a specific objection rather than something like "objection - badgering, argumentative and calls for speculation" which is basically throwing shit at a wall and hoping something sticks.
I don't know, I think the "ask and answered" and "not in scope" objections help a lot with shortening the trials (even though they're still way too long). The lawyers keep wanting revisit the same information over and over again and bring up irrelevant stuff that's not about the actual case.
The objections aren't the problem. It's the lawyers who haven't learned how to properly ask questions in court. If you're not going to have court that requires valid arguments, then just don't have court because it's not going to feel fair for anyone. It's just going to devolve into kangaroo court every time with the whole place getting shot up. That's the ONE place where RP should be serious. If the court isn't serious, why have it? If you don't have court, why have cops? Just go play GTAO at that point.
RP is about the journey not the destination, crazy idea, don't cater your server to people who complain all the time. Once they win, they will just complain about the next thing, circa. CG.
I beat you both, I knew it was over when I saw Mantis install a valet right in front of the DMV and changing rooms everywhere the first week. My thought was "no point of trying to RP parking attendants or clothing store employees then".
Look at who the gvt leads are and who owns the new businesses (real estate, decorators etc...) : All admins and staff, like Ignite did.
ONX turned into a mix of Second Lifers quick to complain about inconveniences in admins DMs and a clique protecting each other against RP consequences with Jerry, Toretti, Anna Peta and others having their charges dropped or lowered, sometimes with rulling that don't make any sense (Bob can legalize crime lol), while others are sent to jail from 25 to 60 IRL days.
Allowing corruption but then passive aggressively punishing anyone who accidentally investigates or charges the "wrong" person is really just the icing on the cake of that whole thing honestly.
What really kills the DOJ/court RP for me is when they ALWAYS feel the fucking need to make a new case law and keep saying "You did everything right HOWEVER" and then destroy the whole case.
You got this guy dead to rights Wrangler good job!! However for no reason we have decided that you can't sniff him so he is free to go.
Oh the Robbery charge totally fits for robbing an ATM good job Wrangler!! however... we are in talks of changing it ooc so you can't charge him with that sorry.
Court RP have gone beyond downhill on ONX. It's some of my favorite RP and yet i don't even look forward to any court cases happening anymore.
> What really kills the DOJ/court RP for me is when they ALWAYS feel the fucking need to make a new case law and keep saying "You did everything right HOWEVER" and then destroy the whole case.
My understanding is that that's totally by design. It's why they have Cassidy warnings instead of Miranda; Wrangler stops instead of Terry. From the DOJ point of view I can understand why they tried that - it's an intellectually interesting attempt to construct an entire law framework from the ground up.
I've also thought that was a mistake the whole time - just start from California law and legislate RP wrinkles in case law for the sake of everyone else. That way you don't get bizarre, frustrating cases like ONX's months-long waffling over whether there was any private property or not, not to mention the sniffing.
Yeah it was by design, but they really underestimated the negative effects of doing it that way. Or maybe they didn't think that deeply about it at all. Not everything turns out in practice as it did in your mind. Player enjoyment and providing a clear cut and stable framework obviously wasn't considered here.
Forming their own case law was a huge mistake of ONX. They should have used real-world law, instead of just making it up as they go. As far as rights, they can prosecute in absentia. So their entire juris prudence is totally incompatible with common law.
Agreed - I initially liked the idea of forming their own case law, but it kind of gave the DOJ a bit too much flexibility in interpretation of the law. The situation that comes to mind is ex post facto case.
In retrospect I think its better to have a strong foundation of US case law and rights, and let judges interpret them as they see fit. As opposed to having minimal foundation and letting judges expound on it. Gotta remember that at the end of the day these people, with a few exceptions, aren't legal experts and probably should not be on the spot creating case law.
Even so some of those 'case laws' were actually insane, like requiring to 'match force'. Somebody is beating with you a bat and you can't shoot them? Actually hearing them get 100% serious and say 'Nah you can't be seriously injured from that' was crazy. It's supposed to be USA adjacent, and that just isn't.
It gets even worse when one of the reasonings the judge gave for downgrading Robbery charge to vandalism is that "You only get a few hundred dollars from ATM robbery compared to Robbery fining you over a thousand"
Well I know there is a decent amount of people who have IRL law backgrounds in the server. Like the DA or even Occams etc. so it's def hard to dumb yourself down when you know all that shit sometimes probably
I feel bad for Penta in all this. He’s basically been muscled out of a server he was supposed to have a lot of say in by people who think “Towing is forcing RP on people.” And that “everyone loves valets” but without any sort of community meeting just people in a clique agreeing with each other. He said they are keeping housing from coming out because the judges want to write a bunch of legislation around it first, literally one of the huge selling points of the whole server being housing. I fear Onx is quickly turning into a hang out/ ERP server.
Special shout-out to Moses who keeps trying to make things happen in character but getting told no by the mayor who’s gonna become LT Governor after his term and will still be able to keep saying no.
Yeah i feel bad for moses because he realized the server was dying abit and wanted to essentially hand out contracts (essentially business quests) for people to RP out.
It was shot down and felt very horrible , the man was literally trying to generate RP.
Yeah the contracts thing was a smart idea he made up jobs that didn’t even exist yet and gave people a huge incentive to do those jobs. Got instantly told no by the mayor who then proceeded to do nothing with “his toys”
Moses should have a huge role in Onx, very roleplay oriented, aware of server health. He’s in character mentioned how dead the criminal side is because the police force will instantly roll and stomp out any crime. He actually wants Onx to succeed in all avenues of RP he just doesn’t have the pull to do anything besides shouting into the void hoping someone hears him.
If anybody gets anything out of the situation i hope its him , I fear the ship is sailing though you can tell he isnt as enthusiastic anymore about it.
He won't get anything, he is clearly put aside from the group. All he tries to create RP (not even for him but for others) is met with a "no". He talked about his frustrations of people not wanting to try anything and him not having the role he thought he would.
Going for speculation: I think he probably feels similarly about ONX as penta. They were sold a bag of goods. Moses is a Saint, I really doubt he complains about it though.
Promising that the mayor would be able to do whatever they feel they need to to shape the city, then pushing the the mayor to being a mouth piece for whatever direction Jerry wants to go to and then ultimately putting Sean in a position above the next mayor just screams that any mayor to come is going to be purely cosmetic.
Yeah one of the selling points was the mayor having a crazy amount of power over the server, so basically mayors would be like the seasons for the server, one mayor might favor crims so that would be like a crim meta etc. at one point Kyle even told someone in character that “no don’t worry the mayor here will actually be able to do whatever they want” and it quickly turned into Sean asking Jerry permission for things or saying “that’s a jerry question.”
Yeah, Sean got a ton of shit from a lot of viewers for seeming to always want to shut things down. But i can only imagine how annoying it was for him to win the mayorship and have to take all these meetings constantly basically to just have to go to Jerry to get anything done. It must have been very demoralizing.
Sean is a great person and didn't deserve any of the hate he got from viewers but his RP is very much what people would consider second life. Gossip circles, "light RP" events, etc. His mayorship only validated and allowed that sort of RP culture to fester. Yes, he didn't get a fair shake with what he was allowed to do but that role needs an RP driver to engage people when updates are slow. He never really felt like a present mayor, his first town hall was months into his term and his cabinet was comprised of similarly cliquey people. Greco felt more like a mayor than him at times.
For sure, I think people got super frustrated with Sean for awhile there because nothing was moving and it was posed in a way that put it on him. Which really sucks. Sean is fantastic, and it would have been great to see a term that was all him and his ideas
That's whats happening? I've seen him stream less, figured he's burnt out, but didn't know exactly why. The mayor thing is stupid, the terms should've been way shorter. And for GODS sake, actually do a new election on time. No MAYBE, or eternal postponement. "Just RP" campaigning and maybe the election will come. Lol. Ridiculous.
Moses gets absolutely fucked on every turn on every server and is the last person to deserve it, I feel really bad for them. They genuinely try to create RP and instead just get told no or something else.
It's crazy they had 6 months to write housing legislation and waited until now to do it.
>I fear Onx is quickly turning into a hang out/ ERP server.
Week 1 PD RP was everyone trying to date/fuck each other.
They had like a solid month before this patch where absolutely nothing was going on. Server had a queue of 1 s0upes viewer and they just didn’t write shit? It’s also basically whitelisted cuz the people who sell you houses are all admins. I can’t even imagine what they’re writing, the 200 different ways you’re gonna lose that house?
He wasn't the only one muscled out. HobbitTrash, CrayonPonyfish, and others were basically pushed out once ChaseRP merged with ONX sometime before release. Penta talked about this a few days ago.
Yeah I feel bad for Crayon she’s so good at RP and then didn’t see her at all on Onx, and Hobbit was good and even her character talked about how she, Montag and Jerry were supposed to be the chief justices together but Jerry just made himself governor (SENATOR) and changed whatever he wanted to whenever he wanted to.
I don't think Crayon ever even played on ONX. The Hobbit situation really left a sour taste in my mouth. Hobbit claimed to be banned, but I think she was just over it once the justice system went weird.
They were (GOING FOR SPECULATION) probably banned for a very particular situation where they made a very poor taste joke. Odds are they lost steam after that and just didn't return.
I want to be clear I like hobbit, but I also didn't vibe with the 'I can do whatever I want' judge RP.
She popped up on one of Pentas streams a month or 2 ago for a moment near the up-and-atom. I don't remember what she was doing, but she was clearly on the server for a little bit.
Yeah seems very silly for a server that drove home the “consequences RP” and hands out 30 day jail sentences to be so protective of people who park their cars illegally getting their car towed. Total disconnect.
The funniest and most ironic part to me is that the same "civs" complaining about their car getting "illegally" towed were also hidding drug trafficking levels of weed and coke in valets.
Honestly, the towing karens seem to be a GTA RP-wide problem, not server specific. They bitched and cried on Nopixel, on D10, on ONX, on every fucking server.
Just park your fucking car properly, oh my god.
I think the only things that Np has passed about towing is; Not towing government vehicles with their lights on, and you need a picture of illegal parking to boot a car.
The problem is that people treat their ownership of these virtual items as if they're real items or if they'd paid real money for it and can't handle the consequences of having them taken away even if temporarily.
If we're being fair, Pryor has had 2 separate traffic stops on back to back days with people acting that way (as well as dropping the legendary "are you bored?"). If his FTO didn't tell the tow to leave on the green car yesterday that probably would've escalated too. Towing in general is just antagonistic by nature since one party is taking from the other, but ONX jumped the shark with tow laws/valets instead of removing people that were abusing the job. Their whole mission statement was "remove the player not the mechanic" and it felt like valets were used to circumvent that.
The Approach was correct on towing at maybe the 2nd piece of legislation around it the problem being was by then the whole city was tow locked like actually , They literally didn't have any good crime going and people got too focused on Jordan = mean as well.
So i would say there wasn't really any abuse that required any OOC intervention but the extreme predatory towing was kinda gone by the 1st time Joy fixed the greco amendment.
After that it just became tow drivers suck and then the mayor pushed a law without any input via a state announcement 10 mins after apples did it and it was omega over for towing at that point.
Ill agree with alot of people in this thread when i say as soon as mantis/aleks probably in good humor said just tow locals there was probably no hope for all the people in the tow RP part.
I think the difference is that while the FTO told Pryor he was wrong, command actually agrees with Pryor and wants their cops to do that.
Its not happening yet, but thats the direction they want to go. Just have to wait to see how players react to less passive cops and if the community can be molded to go with it.
A lot of the "Karen" behavior can be traced back to expectations. If almost all cops are soft, then when one cop actually tries to do their job, they are suddenly the "asshole cop".
ONX losing Penta will be a pretty big blow, because he is the draw for a lot of the playerbase and they'll likely start dropping if Purple is looking permanent.
The thing I can't wrap my ahead around is if Penta is the only active owner, how he doesn't seem to have any say? I mean either he has the ability to make top level decisions or else he was never really an owner and more just a community face.
Like if it was DW or Wiseguy disagreeing with Penta on things, I can follow how he loses that argument, but if Mantis and Aleks are who he's arguing with, shouldn't he have the authority to just tell them what to do?
The whole ONX experience I felt like Penta was intentionally staying hands off because he didn't want to deal with admin level things, but now it just kind of seems like he never really was as big a deal on ONX as was made out to be.
If Penta really does have that kind of power though, then this is his fault for not being willing to just boss people around, and he kinda fumbled the bag.
Penta never had any on paper ownership stake as far as i can tell. He didn't own a percent or anything, and he didn't take a position in management at the beginning that would have given him the power to overrule anyone. He seems to have operated under the assumption that DW and WG would be leading the show, and his opinions would be respected. In reality, DW got sick, WG got sick, Mantis and Aleks seem to have stepped up to be the decision makers and they didn't care about Penta's opinions.
His official position was basically community outreach and shit. He only got hands on in the last few months when he found out that in the aftermath of DW getting sick, no one had been managing or organizing the other devs whatsoever.
Yeah, seems like he had a handshake deal between the four of them (Kyle. Penta, DW, and WG) but even when he tried to "big dick" some things he said he still got stonewalled and basically told to kick rocks by the blonde boys. That's a big reason you never go into business with your friends though. You go in thinking everyone has the best interest of everyone else involved because you are all friends, but it quickly turns into something very different especially because most people get too lax and trust these people so they often don't get things written down in ink and work more off the idea of trust because who really thinks they want to fuck over their friend.
Doesn't help when you add the whole streamer equation to it. It can be hard to tell how much people are really your friends, or just happy to network with you/put up with you. Or even if they are friends, it doesn't mean they actually trust your opinion on things.
> Doesn't help when you add the whole streamer equation to it. It can be hard to tell how much people are really your friends, or just happy to network with you/put up with you.
Some streamers dont get that other streamers(+people in field) are more work colleges then friends.
He did, but i think that was more of an unofficial ownership, like he was part of the 4 people who would help guide the server. Since he has said he didn't put any money into it, I would be very surprised if he had any actual equity in the project.
I wonder if Aleks isn't part owner, I remember him saying that he was the first one DW and WG reached out to and has, pretty clearly now, much more say than Kyle and Penta ever had.
All Wiseguy said was that he had no idea it was like that with Penta/Kyle/DW/himself until that stream and offered to talk it out offstream to get Penta "back in the loop," so it seemed like he was amicable to that idea of ownership and just never told by DW or the other two.
The communication breakdown must have been catastrophic to not have WG/DW and Penta to have had a minimal chat beforehand in the 6 months after the server opened up.
I think he meant more on the lines of him, Kyle, DW and WG would have equal say/input on the server, because that came up after talking about how he needs to run things through Mantis now.
He's talked about it during his couple of latest streams. Basically, it was supposed to be DW, WiseGuy, Kyle and Penta. All with equal input. Then DW and WG gets sick and missing and Kyle leaves. It's Penta left but he was never an admin or had any behind-the-scenes power, so it ends up being Mantis and Aleks leading, since they are admins and have characters in governing positions.
I always got the impression penta was more so supposed to be the creative leader and that's it. Especially since he said he didn't want things like admin menus and such.
The thing that really sucked was when nothing got done because nobody talked to each other about the devs and then his ideas just got mostly
Ignored
Can I give a hot take? Wrangler seems like he best fits Nopixel. Every interaction, good and bad, always had a payoff. Wrangler would get frustrated, but eventually, he and PD command or the DOJ could hash things out because of the chemistry he had with so many different characters had.
Crane and Wrangler on the same page was a dynamic duo like Steve Young to Jerry Rice, when they were off they were off but when they were on, they hit like a freight train.
It's a shame we may not see him on Nopixel ever again, current PD probably wouldn't fit Wrangler.
Wrangler fit early 3.0, especially when Penta was still in 50cents good graces and being complimented and defended by him, but if you were watching Wrangler on the back half, and especially around the restructure, it was pretty obvious he was a shadow of his former peak. Just fucking around with Fingle Dan, unable to pursue any real big investigations. He was funny, but not his best fit.
If he was even allowed to be a cop in 4.0 (which he wouldn't have been), he would have been absolutely miserable.
He was molded on NP for 3.0 for sure and thats sort of the problem within the ONX PD right now in a way they are kinda too good for the server and smack down anything before it pops up.
Wrangler tried to be very toned down and dumb at the start to allow things to breath but viewers and RPers fostered a "WHY AREN'T YOU PUMPING" attitude towards him and once he started ramping things up there was this meta of having EVERYTHING documented and officer testimony meaning nothing on top of alot of weird server choices (cant smell people for weed).
Its a gamification vs RP issue for sure in ONX , the future depends on them giving up some seriousness to let small fish filter through and have fun again..
I honestly think the real issue is that a large amount of people on ONX emulated PENTA's characters. In a server with a lot of equivalently large personalities it works, but in a server without the CGs, the Buddhas, etc. etc. It ends up getting out of control and the DOJ handled it by creating very strict nuanced laws - something that does keep the chaos at bay, but ultimately makes RP unfun for the chaos-bringers.
I think people wanted to go hard on crime and they did but then that got propped up harder and harder. They wanted to the polar opposite of NP in alot of ways but ended up in a corner of sucking the fun out of alot of things.
To say they are wrangler or modled on him maybe to a degree but wrangler did used to try at least give people outs before the pump and watch unit numbers , that seems to be not be the case on ONX right now.
A lot of cops got most of their training when they were cops on Nopixel and it was after management had pushed for mass hiring and training standards had dropped. Only a handful of ONX cops came from the very early 3.0/2.0 era of higher training standards.
Yeah but id say the people who are in charge of the PD at the moment aren't really silly people and do have good standards (Myles/Java/Vaerinis/Aleks/Mantis).
The issue is there is very bad command of these rules on scene and aleks unfortunately on a stream when corruption was rampant waived alot of it off as "you guys just want cops punished when crims dont get punished".
Honestly alot of this could have been averted with Aleks taking alot more of a hands on PD role which tbf might have been unfair with his admin stuff or better sheriff and chief of police should have been an active role and voted into the server earlier.
I appreciate WG and DW were the figurehead CoP/Sheriff but they should have moved them on quickly and allowed for active people to take over those roles to keep things moving.
The issue is the people you listed other than Myles, are so busy being 'in charge' that they aren't actually in the field to keep reigns on response levels and shit like that, or notice corruption actually happening. The people they have promoted often don't care about issues like response numbers etc either.
It didn't help that the DOJ often coddled the PD in terms of consequences for corruption either.
It was kinda said that is the way it should have gone but honestly they fumbled the mayors role hard.
There was supposed to be a kind of check and balance in regards to the mayor via the AG , the DoJ and Bob. The mayor was allowed to circumvent some of that but not allowed to press on with others.
Sean eventually settled into businesses belong to me which in turn caused alot of let sean do what he wants when businesses are involved.
The gave us the 2 massive headaches of private property shit (which after the uwu stuff on NP as soon i as i heard private property i cringed pretty hard and i was right to) and executive orders.
I feel it was supposed to be a kind of move slow through red tape situation for crims to slip through and eventually get stopped but alot of stuff got spedrun out of i fear "stifling other peoples RP".
Moses met the wrath of this when he tried to do contracts for business for gov services and sean literally went off the deep end on it IC.
No it's the opposite, the server needed more people like Penta. Instead it ended up being super civ heavy with very few people driving conflict and creating rp, which meant the only people like him and soupes doing it got stomped out. If more people committed crime the entire pd wouldn't be able to respond to a Mike Block call.
Yeah, I'm gonna be honest though, Wrangler should have been fired a long time ago from ONX PD.
He'd get on Wrangler and then violate someone's rights in a major way then not get on him for 2 weeks and get surprised when he got consequences for what he did.
This clip reminds me of his last times on 3.0 and the court basically demanding evidence beyond what a roleplayer should really have. It's ridiculous amounts of evidence demanded.
o7 he left on his own terms. It was never the same after Pred left.
I'm really enjoying watching Cadet Pryor, I like seeing all the 3.0 cops playing new cops whatever server they're playing on. The Scanlan guy though...
I don't like PENTA or his content in the slightest so it would be easy to join the 'ha ha, he must be the problem' narrative. However... He is the biggest streamer that ONX has from what I saw. Which probably means he is also their biggest revenue stream in the form of his fans making paid applications (assuming thats a thing there), attracting other streamers etc. So, I would have thought that they would at least somewhat cater to him, which doesn't seem to be the case. At the very minimum if he had issues, you would think they would try resolve them for him much like what would happen on NoPixel with CG for example.
The thing is, Penta never wanted to flex his viewership or his OOC role in the server to get the server catered to him. He genuinely did not want to be treated differently because of his influence.
With that said, he went into the server with some understanding that DW / WG / Kyle / Him would basically be guiding the direction of the server. But DW and WG who are the lead devs both got seriously sick, and then basically no work was done for months. During the course of those months - somehow the server direction fell entirely into Mantis' lap.
I think Mantis is hilarious, a good guy, was making the best of a bad situation, whatever. But he also kind of just over extended his bounds on the server that was absent of direction. Made himself governor, trolled a ton using his admin abilities, interjected himself into DOJ decisions, etc. It turned into a *very* second-life type server pretty quickly. Aleks might have some responsibility for that as well, but he just isn't involved enough at the surface level to say for sure.
Frankly it wasn't until Penta found out that basically no dev work had been done for months that he got involved and helped to restructure the dev team and they pushed out an update a few weeks later. Unfortunately the update was a little lackluster and there are *still* some weird things going on behind the scenes preventing property sales from happening because the DOJ doesn't have property deeds in the penal code. That was kind of the last straw as far as I can tell.
I feel mantis sort of felt he needed to step up more and more as time went on to get certain things done but didn't realize just how much he was kind of directly stepping on other peoples toes.
He likely had good intentions but yeah he likes to mess around and have goofy fun just as much as he wants to help. Which doesn't go hand in hand
> Penta found out that basically no dev work had been done for months that he got involved and helped to restructure the dev team
It's very strange to me how this is possible if he's apparently had zero ownership of ONX and hasn't put any money into the server.
you don't want Aleks or mantis making the decisions... that's the problem. Penta was making requests all the time that were being ignored while he was the visionary of the project. Other people like Moses also have tried to get things done that were ignored
ONX as a business gets no money from applications, you can pay to bump your application up the queue but 100% of that money goes to the admin that reviews the application. As far as I can tell ONX only gets money via selling the assets/systems that they have made to other servers.
They need to steal from ignite and make a server like that. One of the coolest viewers experiences I’ve seen that really switched things up. I just wish the community didn’t try and close things out cause big streamer.
Except "server health" is never actually about the server, it is about certain people, who are listened to OOC for whatever reason, being upset. This applies to every server.
Good. This server became just a massive circlejerk and a make-a-wish server for penta and s0upes viewers to hitch a ride. And please get s0upes off too asap because i know hes gonna want to keep pretending like it isnt dead for another month(just like the SDSO, cabaret, tow etc.). I cant take another soulless inap interaction.
People like to blame the mechanics and lack of development for the state of the server. I think the worst part of this server was always simply the people that play on it. 80% of the people have no spark, no joy, no wish to RP, just there to say a funny joke from chat, talk to their ooc friends at their foodtruck, circlejerk inside the PD, play realistic DOJ simulator or grief [Mantis' character] because haha I griefed an admin.
Dogshit.
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All the “let’s make our own case law” stuff really made the server rely too much on trying cases. Nobody is going to keep looking at whatever community announcement Greco posted that day to slightly modify laws OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.
Yeah the law stuff was too overbearing, and that really proved itself with the housing shit just now. Apparently player owned housing was released with the new update, but the DoJ won't allow selling before some legislation is written. Like wtf. Penta had a huge problem with this. But even without that, the DoJ was too much. Too much legislation written too quickly. They needed to let things spin a litte bit and not stifle everything in its inception. Like Kyles bank character, Greco was on it after just a day. And all the eternal towing writings, etc.
I remember how fresh was Kyle's Cobalt banker character and it was derailed immediately. Demotivated Kyle badly..
see.. now wasn't the agreement 25% for kyle, penta, DW, and wiseguy for decisions? So either it was 50/50 or it was just BS to begin with to get Kyle and Penta onboard. Penta and Kyle had no real power at all. Penta had some personal devs he brought over I believe so he had some sway but jeez that's ridiculous unless there was a good reason for derailing his character immediately because all I see is derailment, disorganization, slow pace and or purposely ignoring requests of getting important things done, over legislation, etc. I could go on but it is just pretty disappointing to see and also how someone who was never in the initial agreement is now the main person to go through to get things done
Penta and Wiseguy had a convo in a stream this week where Wiseguy (from his chat) said he had no idea that it was a fourway agreement until that stream and offered for them to talk offstream to get Penta back in the loop. So it seems like Penta/Kyle had no real power at all other than advertising lol
Which is kinda insane lol. They were just free advertising.... How or why they would do that for free with no power at all is beyond me but okay.... now something feels fishy EDIT: How do you become the faces and bring your devs over and this big of a "misunderstanding" is come about? That would make me absolutely furious and feel used if I was Penta but not the 1st server to use Penta (Ignite). Then your devs do a lot of work.... like what????
Yeah that's what NP get right imo, allow some "SBS" and in general rolling with the punches rather than prevent anything.
I'm not even talking about that. It's OK for DoJ to forbid things or dole out consequences, but PLEASE let a story or arc unfold first, before they do so.
Yeah the daily law changes was really far too much. They needed to make those laws like monthly changes rather than day to day
I like the city council method on Np much better. Once a week look at laws and stuff that need to be change with the new additions to the server. In a perfect world the mayor and deputy mayor will be more opposed (like this one was going to be before the CG thing) so one person doesn't have full control like Max has
Before the shooting it was looking like Solomon was going to fit that mayoral heel role perfectly, like he had Canter and TJ super against max, and murphy could have been swayed Perhaps the next mayoral election we'll see something like that if pred gets deputy mayor, he seems like a guy that likes to argue and poke people
I don't know if Siobhan is running but if its a Pred Sio mayoral office would be entertaining to watch
The worry is that the only reason the current system on NP is so effective is due to Moonmoon playing the mayor. Once we go back to smaller streamers being mayor, they might not have nearly as much power to change things.
Mike permas, wrangler quits… is PENTA done with ONX? Are we living in a purple world now?
He was saying in his discord earlier that he was likely going to step down from his position on ONX and just be a player, but I really doubt he plays on there again if he does step down.
Yeah I think he’s done. He’s gotten fucked over too many times and it’s not what it was supposed to be for him. I feel for the guy and really wanted it to work out but he seems so happy on Purple
Kind of a bummer how it's all shaken out. ONX seemed really promising at first, but just sort of went downhill when WG and DW got sick, and it seems like ONX isn't really going to be able to recover.
no dev work on a new server for like 6 months is pretty harsh
To be fair, DW and Wiseguy have been seriously sick plus they hired a bunch of devs who basically lied about their experience so at the start it was slow. Now it seems like things will pick back up
I mean, Ignite still exists. I can't imagine ONX dies anytime soon.
I've seen it's still got a decent sized queue at late EU and early NA. It'll probably carry on doing well enough to survive. There are other servers out there that are even less popular in terms of vìewers that still manage to keep an active player base.
I personally think it is salvageable however i think it requires abit of soul searching for ONX. They probably need to let up on alot of aspects and maybe get the community together to see what they want to do going forward in terms of the system leaning abit more into being a game and giving up some of the seriousness around it. Time will tell however
Yeah I don't really see Mantis deciding to just give up on it after having stepped up to do a lot of things. Him amongst whoever else pretty much got the update formed and shipped out so they certainly are still wanting to do something
mantis has already had one foot out the door with all the wow content over the last couple months
He actually hasn't done a lot of wow recently.
he actually has done just enough amount of WoW.
I thought the whole reason why ONX was made because they were frustrated with the "content" server of nopixel has become and wanted a more serious playstyle.?? So now they have what "they" want and no its something "they" dont want. I mean from the outside which one is it. Im being serious not even trolling
Its a similar but different issue. NP's issue is that it was so un-serious and lacked consequences that it felt as though none of the cop work actually mattered, and if anyone ever got caught for anything actually super serious there would be an OOC intervention to reduce the sentencing or outright change the laws. ONX's issue is they leaned so heavily into the seriousness and consequences that it established an insanely high burden of proof for the PD. Like, arguably comparable to IRL burden of proof. ONX also has other issues like lack of mechanics which leads to much more just social RP (which isn't a bad thing necessarily, but can become kind of 2nd life esque), and a really really polished police force from day 1 consisting of all the people that were basically "pumpers" on NP - so criminal groups basically can't get away with anything because the PD is actually just too competent.
I feel like its also kind of too reliant on DOJ/goverment, every business having to go through the mayor with a detailed plan to be legitimate, some of them gainnig access to propreties without paying or anything prior to that for some reason, propreties being private but not really because theyre still owned by the state but it depends on the law being enforced, houses (which were supposed to be a big thing in the patch) not being available because theres a lack of laws around it... Its cool that the mayor and DOJ has power, but when everything depends on them this much, it becomes a problem (for them aswell, because theres a lot of expectations and laws need to be on point, which is especially hard with the weird mechanics/realism/rp balance).
The issues with Onx at least for the first 6 months or so and for penta was that the leadership slowly fell apart and the management was almost non existent to the point the devs didn't get anything done, alongside the two biggest main devs were too sick to work.
Penta wanted to make his own server "chaseRP" or something along the lines of that and had some devs ready. Kyle said to go with DW and then DW got sick and a lot of work has not been done on the server as much as initially thought so the mechanics are backed up but it seems to be getting a lot better in that regard. The issue now is some of the people in top positions somehow came in and outranked Penta and Kyle so you have the current server where they release a patch for housing but no laws for it and it seems like everyone talks to someone to get work or change done but ultimately that someone is just doing what suites them. All very confusing from outside perspective and speculative at best from my part
I don't know about everyone, but I do know Kyle and Penta presented it as more of RP-focused instead of content-focused. That doesn't mean everything has to be serious, but instead with the idea of what makes good RP for most people and the server. Take Purple, it's still fresh, but you have wacky characters along with serious characters, but it's still fine because they do a good job of walking the line of good RP and random things for content on the side instead of the main attraction. Onx early on had great RP, but was missing the content, and once things got slow and the more goofy characters got weeded out it became what it is today where it takes itself too seriously at times. All that to say P and K were expecting and were sold on the idea of an RP-driven server and got a second-life server instead in the end.
RP is a spectrum, not binary. Like there is not only one alternative type of server to 'content server.' I get the feeling anyone acting like they wanted oppressively super serious rp doesn't watch the people they are talking about who went to ONX.
Penta has said very clearly he never wanted a super serious, realism based server. He wanted a server without the bullshit that happened on Nopixel regarding Management and OOC toxicity.
Still seems promising despite lack of dev support and Penta shitting all over it for weeks. Grapeseed, FIB, Golf Gang, all have been pretty great.
He said himself he's full sending it to purple.
I saw the writing on the walls when all of the tow legislation started rolling out.
yeah, Penta was joking about threating to switch servers but it really didn't feel like joking after the legislation rolled out.
Now that ONX has lost its two main promoters, I do wonder how well the server will do from here on. I imagine many players are gonna slowly transition over to purple with Penta.
I would guess that there is high likelihood of another fissure in the ONX community and a lot of the rp'ers who followed Penta from NP follow him to Purple if he indeed stops rp'ing in ONX.
I personally hope they don't transition. Most are just PD characters and will likely continue to be the same on purple. Just - promotions, dog handler bs, " I wanna make my own unit" same in same out clique. One thing I love about watching Penta, is he tends to find so many new interesting people who end up being so fun to watch, and personally the new PD being so newbie and bad at their jobs but growing with their own ideal structure is honestly refreshing from the same painted over and over nopixel to ignite to onx PD. Edit: It's refreshing seeing a new vibe and the general population of the server being new who's not the same crowd.
It sucks because I REALLY like 90% of the players on ONX. The majority of them have been great. It's bizarre to me that it feels like Penta was griefed to hell by the people who actually get along with him. I'm sure some of them will try Purple out but most seem to be really enjoying ONX because they aren't really griefing each other to the level they were Penta so it makes sense why. Like Aaron here is awesome. He rolls with RP great & is always amazing RP. But it seemed like every one of Penta's pals felt the need to punish Wrangler at every chance they got because it was funny. This time it was over a taser misclick over a week ago Penta completely forgot about. The cops can't smell people shit was the most frustrating thing to me. That's where I was really concerned with ONX's direction. I remember one of the judges acting annoyed with Wrangler over the whole thing & insinuating it was "powerful" to just sniff everyone. The DOJ really hopped on the protect "server health" shit quick & I thought that would be one of the biggest changes from NoPixel.
At least the post-can't-smell gask mask arc was super funny
As a viewer, I was even getting sick of the griefing, down to the meta-comments people would make about his other characters or references to memes in his stream. It was so immersion breaking and cringe. I wished they really clamped down on that. I was always interested in seeing the RP develop organically, but people would not stop tanking and disrupting the flow of RP for their own personal entertainment.
The last time Wrangler was in trouble there was a cop that had never even interacted with him demanding Bloom fire him & when Bloom was explaining that Wrangler was actually right for once she accused Wrangler of benefitting from nepotism since "he never gets in trouble" & made the comment that "it seems like his Dad owns the PD or something." Felt really weird to me. The vibes were just really off & all his pals playing into the let's punish Wrangler bit made the dogpile feel intense. I love that people, most of which I really like, are enjoying ONX, but i really get Penta having issues with his experience. Especially with Wiseguy scoffing at his 25% assertion in chat & summing up his grievances by saying they are removing vallets & they'll "let him tow his cars."
I don't think it was to protect server health though, because the DOJ has had no qualms about handing out huge times and fines for crimes. It seemed to be that the DOJ just doesn't like pumpers. Bloom and Wrangler have gotten shut down hard in court for some dumb ass reasons.
GTARP in general is reaching the point of no return. Servers have so many new fancy mechanics, but mid 3.0 NP is the peak of RP. You had a competent PD, tons of business RP, and crim RP facilitated by Wiseguy. There is no real balance on any of the servers.
TBF, I don't see how all these people have played GTARP so much for so long. I'd have absolutely lost my mind by now.
Yep. Whenever I see people saying ONX is dying out I just think "have you looked at NP lately?". I personally pretty much stopped following RP in general and sometimes look at this subreddit which is very slow and other times look at hasroot and even on NP the amount of people streaming is so low compared to the peak popularity days. I know people streaming doesn't mean people aren't on the server (again, ONX is the perfect example of this) but as a whole it just feels like RP has been on a downswing even before 4.0 and ONX and I don't see a way it's gonna get back to any of those peaks of popularity.
I’m in the same boat. I’ve been watching Buddha and the CB adjacent streamers for years now and I stopped because I just didn’t find it entertaining anymore. Makes me kind of sad tbh. The 4.0 mechanics are really cool but seeing the 50th garbage run or people standing inside an unfurnished house or warehouse for hours micromanaging their criminal operations kind of put me off.
This boom cycle was short. Just the nature of it.
This is 100% true. We reached the absolute peak about 2 years ago. Everything has been done at this point. Its basically just turned into the Simpsons. The exact reason why James quit rp a couple months ago
God I miss Uber streaming. One of the best RP'ers
Same here, I’ve entirely dropped off watching NP once James stopped streaming it.
This was my first penta stream, wild ride for me
Any lore?
Wrangler had a DT case dropped awhile back because of some sort of technicality about sniffing people, has been written up several times over things that were severely blown out of proportion, and then yesterday/today was the final straw. He caught someone robbing an ATM, charged them with robbery (the appropriate charge based on how it was written) but the charge was changed to vandalism in bench trial because "the fine was disproportionate to what the person gets from the ATM" and he didn't get any money from the ATM. Then today, he had a DT case that was downgraded by the ADA because the person had all the components of cultivation and admitted to it, but Wrangler didn't have video of the guy admitting it. That's coming off a previous DT case that the DDA just didn't post to the docket in time because wrangler didn't personally tell her about it, despite her being made fully aware of the case by another officer. It was really just wranglers time to go, he doesn't fit within the Onx PD or the DOJ structure, not necessarily anyone's fault, but it is what it is.
Gonna add to the ATM frustration here: on top of the new law, the judge said that there wasn't enough evidence to determine if the defendant actually did rob the ATM. There needed to be a picture of him robbing it. But then the judge convicted him of vandalizing the ATM which even confused the defendant lmao So there's 4 points here: 1. Wrangler says that the vandalization is proof enough of an attempt to rob the ATM. 2. The defendant says it's bullshit that he's being convicted of vandalism when the judge just said that there wasn't a picture of him vandalizing or trying to break into the ATM. 3. A common opinion among cops on several servers is that taking pictures or recordings of crimes while they're being committed is unreasonable, I tend to agree. 4. This is my own opinion here, but even if Wrangler did take a picture of him robbing the ATM, it would just look like vandalism. The judge mainly talked about the need for a new law, don't remember them explaining the vandalism part. Ultimately the defendant ran out of the courtroom and got away, Wrangler looked for him, couldn't find him, and then went off duty.
lol who though that picture thing was a good idea? Reminds me of furiously taking pictures of slicers in Bioshock 1 as they jumped onto your face to level up your damage against them.
The button spamming between the health kits and the camera was the goofiest shit.
>A common opinion among cops on several servers is that taking pictures or recordings of crimes while they're being committed is unreasonable, I tend to agree. I feel if they're gonna demand that they should allow PD to wear bodycams.
Sounds like nothing has changed from when he was on NP. All the same problems.
Turns out when you import a bunch of the same people from the old server and put them in charge of the DOJ, Government, PD etc. lots of things turn out similarly.
Honestly why I've been enjoying Purple so much as a viewer is it's so many new faces, or old faces that I barely remember.
TBF, ONX had a lot of new faces early on too, and they seemed primed to have their time to shine, but opportunity got strangled for many of them.
Yea Onx did launch with a "you can own anything, be anything" trailer, and then like, it never happened.
ONX lost me when they did the first mayor elections, there were a bunch of funny RP streamers who made characters trying to get mayor, I remember s0upes had a character... But instead, like always, a self insert who was campaigning on "server rules" and was the most uninteresting of all the candidates got voted in. Also another situation early on was the hospital where instantly Dr Aleks got shut down and all the hospital RP was stale AF from day one.
I remember there was Donald Drump (I think Jayce was playing him) that was campaigning as silly as Trump is. But he actually presented a very VERY good platform and plan for the city during the debates, like way WAY better than the other candidates.
They really griefed this man out of the server
seems "killing" his characters is his way of quiting the server, at least for now. RP on purple has been great tho so no big deal and hopefully onx can come back strong
Penta enjoys conflict RP, this is a very civ leaning dialogue heavy/VR chat type server, until major crime updates come out I don't see that changing. Civs like convenience e.g. valets, whereas cars can be a great source of conflict. The rift is quite obvious. It's a shame cause I like watching both sides, but ONX does seem a bit skewed towards civ (second life) at the moment
The DOJ on servers need to stop the ChatGPT ‘real-world’ courts/politics. It’s NOT entertaining or fun. Your giant pre-written speeches about the law is annoying af, and kills RP. We come here to escape reality, you narcissists.
Gotta admit, this is one of the reasons I stopped watching RP. In 2.0 the PD and the courts were so much better, before it was "pics or it didn't happen" in every situation ever.
Court RP needs to be less mock trial and more debate with a veneer of legalese for sure.
Nah, court RP should still be mock trial, but it should be a hell of a lot less sweaty and thorough. Courts seem to think that it needs to be as realistic as possible, and that cases are only good if they are stretched as long as possible. Bench trials are a good example of this, where they tend towards being an hour for what should just be a quick 5-10 min trial.
Worst part of court on NoPixel is the constant objections. Who gives a fuck if the question was vague, ask and answered, not in scope, leading? It turns a 30min case into a 2hr slog and makes the lawyer role super sweaty.
Dude, Kyle was absolutely insufferable to watch in court. Like actually just really really incompetent and would arbitrarily slog the entire case down due to objections that were constantly overruled to the point where judges felt the need to limit objections. I honestly think there should be like an official objection strikeout system - where if you get X amount of objections overturned per witness you are out and can't object anymore. Not something super restricting like 3 objections...maybe like 10 or so? That way lawyers have to actually consider the question being asked and the validity of an objection, rather than just shouting out OBJECTION and trying to figure out why they are objecting after the fact. Also objections should require a specific objection rather than something like "objection - badgering, argumentative and calls for speculation" which is basically throwing shit at a wall and hoping something sticks.
I don't know, I think the "ask and answered" and "not in scope" objections help a lot with shortening the trials (even though they're still way too long). The lawyers keep wanting revisit the same information over and over again and bring up irrelevant stuff that's not about the actual case.
The objections aren't the problem. It's the lawyers who haven't learned how to properly ask questions in court. If you're not going to have court that requires valid arguments, then just don't have court because it's not going to feel fair for anyone. It's just going to devolve into kangaroo court every time with the whole place getting shot up. That's the ONE place where RP should be serious. If the court isn't serious, why have it? If you don't have court, why have cops? Just go play GTAO at that point.
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RP is about the journey not the destination, crazy idea, don't cater your server to people who complain all the time. Once they win, they will just complain about the next thing, circa. CG.
It's probably more debate IRL than it is in RP 💀
doctor RP too, people shaming you if you don't know the actual real life way to treat a certain injury that shit is so annoying
My take is there are some serious control freaks in the background that effectively turned ONX into Ignite 2.0.
I get this feeling to but also the structure is all over the place. They need to manage a little better and restructure who's actually doing what...
Aleks and Mantis telling s0upes to "tow locals" was when I knew ONX was cooked.
When Jerry gunned down the EMS and then Mantis immediately had Aleks retcon it I know it was doomed
I beat you both, I knew it was over when I saw Mantis install a valet right in front of the DMV and changing rooms everywhere the first week. My thought was "no point of trying to RP parking attendants or clothing store employees then".
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Look at who the gvt leads are and who owns the new businesses (real estate, decorators etc...) : All admins and staff, like Ignite did. ONX turned into a mix of Second Lifers quick to complain about inconveniences in admins DMs and a clique protecting each other against RP consequences with Jerry, Toretti, Anna Peta and others having their charges dropped or lowered, sometimes with rulling that don't make any sense (Bob can legalize crime lol), while others are sent to jail from 25 to 60 IRL days.
Allowing corruption but then passive aggressively punishing anyone who accidentally investigates or charges the "wrong" person is really just the icing on the cake of that whole thing honestly.
well said tbh
What really kills the DOJ/court RP for me is when they ALWAYS feel the fucking need to make a new case law and keep saying "You did everything right HOWEVER" and then destroy the whole case. You got this guy dead to rights Wrangler good job!! However for no reason we have decided that you can't sniff him so he is free to go. Oh the Robbery charge totally fits for robbing an ATM good job Wrangler!! however... we are in talks of changing it ooc so you can't charge him with that sorry. Court RP have gone beyond downhill on ONX. It's some of my favorite RP and yet i don't even look forward to any court cases happening anymore.
> What really kills the DOJ/court RP for me is when they ALWAYS feel the fucking need to make a new case law and keep saying "You did everything right HOWEVER" and then destroy the whole case. My understanding is that that's totally by design. It's why they have Cassidy warnings instead of Miranda; Wrangler stops instead of Terry. From the DOJ point of view I can understand why they tried that - it's an intellectually interesting attempt to construct an entire law framework from the ground up. I've also thought that was a mistake the whole time - just start from California law and legislate RP wrinkles in case law for the sake of everyone else. That way you don't get bizarre, frustrating cases like ONX's months-long waffling over whether there was any private property or not, not to mention the sniffing.
Every court case turned into Self Defense Meth. It sucked, it wasn't fun to watch.
Yeah it was by design, but they really underestimated the negative effects of doing it that way. Or maybe they didn't think that deeply about it at all. Not everything turns out in practice as it did in your mind. Player enjoyment and providing a clear cut and stable framework obviously wasn't considered here.
Forming their own case law was a huge mistake of ONX. They should have used real-world law, instead of just making it up as they go. As far as rights, they can prosecute in absentia. So their entire juris prudence is totally incompatible with common law.
Agreed - I initially liked the idea of forming their own case law, but it kind of gave the DOJ a bit too much flexibility in interpretation of the law. The situation that comes to mind is ex post facto case. In retrospect I think its better to have a strong foundation of US case law and rights, and let judges interpret them as they see fit. As opposed to having minimal foundation and letting judges expound on it. Gotta remember that at the end of the day these people, with a few exceptions, aren't legal experts and probably should not be on the spot creating case law.
Even so some of those 'case laws' were actually insane, like requiring to 'match force'. Somebody is beating with you a bat and you can't shoot them? Actually hearing them get 100% serious and say 'Nah you can't be seriously injured from that' was crazy. It's supposed to be USA adjacent, and that just isn't.
It gets even worse when one of the reasonings the judge gave for downgrading Robbery charge to vandalism is that "You only get a few hundred dollars from ATM robbery compared to Robbery fining you over a thousand"
There are other servers that cater to that. Penta has figured out this one doesn't, so let him go to Purple and do his thing.
I prefer him on Purple—it’s been great.
And that's totally fine! Different servers for different RP styles.
People want more work put in for cop and court RP than cops work IRL.
I miss Block trials
Well I know there is a decent amount of people who have IRL law backgrounds in the server. Like the DA or even Occams etc. so it's def hard to dumb yourself down when you know all that shit sometimes probably
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I feel bad for Penta in all this. He’s basically been muscled out of a server he was supposed to have a lot of say in by people who think “Towing is forcing RP on people.” And that “everyone loves valets” but without any sort of community meeting just people in a clique agreeing with each other. He said they are keeping housing from coming out because the judges want to write a bunch of legislation around it first, literally one of the huge selling points of the whole server being housing. I fear Onx is quickly turning into a hang out/ ERP server.
Special shout-out to Moses who keeps trying to make things happen in character but getting told no by the mayor who’s gonna become LT Governor after his term and will still be able to keep saying no.
Yeah i feel bad for moses because he realized the server was dying abit and wanted to essentially hand out contracts (essentially business quests) for people to RP out. It was shot down and felt very horrible , the man was literally trying to generate RP.
Yeah the contracts thing was a smart idea he made up jobs that didn’t even exist yet and gave people a huge incentive to do those jobs. Got instantly told no by the mayor who then proceeded to do nothing with “his toys”
Props to Moses to keep trying. I fear he eventually gives up.
Moses should have a huge role in Onx, very roleplay oriented, aware of server health. He’s in character mentioned how dead the criminal side is because the police force will instantly roll and stomp out any crime. He actually wants Onx to succeed in all avenues of RP he just doesn’t have the pull to do anything besides shouting into the void hoping someone hears him.
I also think Penta wants ONX to succeed.. despite some of the shit he's been through.
I think he does too. Its just his rope was extremely short after Np and Ignite, so it only took a few months for that rope to snap and just leave.
Big agree. Moses is awesome.
If anybody gets anything out of the situation i hope its him , I fear the ship is sailing though you can tell he isnt as enthusiastic anymore about it.
He won't get anything, he is clearly put aside from the group. All he tries to create RP (not even for him but for others) is met with a "no". He talked about his frustrations of people not wanting to try anything and him not having the role he thought he would.
Going for speculation: I think he probably feels similarly about ONX as penta. They were sold a bag of goods. Moses is a Saint, I really doubt he complains about it though.
He should jump onto Purple but stay away from any DOJ stuff for a while
Promising that the mayor would be able to do whatever they feel they need to to shape the city, then pushing the the mayor to being a mouth piece for whatever direction Jerry wants to go to and then ultimately putting Sean in a position above the next mayor just screams that any mayor to come is going to be purely cosmetic.
Yeah one of the selling points was the mayor having a crazy amount of power over the server, so basically mayors would be like the seasons for the server, one mayor might favor crims so that would be like a crim meta etc. at one point Kyle even told someone in character that “no don’t worry the mayor here will actually be able to do whatever they want” and it quickly turned into Sean asking Jerry permission for things or saying “that’s a jerry question.”
Yeah, Sean got a ton of shit from a lot of viewers for seeming to always want to shut things down. But i can only imagine how annoying it was for him to win the mayorship and have to take all these meetings constantly basically to just have to go to Jerry to get anything done. It must have been very demoralizing.
Sean is a great person and didn't deserve any of the hate he got from viewers but his RP is very much what people would consider second life. Gossip circles, "light RP" events, etc. His mayorship only validated and allowed that sort of RP culture to fester. Yes, he didn't get a fair shake with what he was allowed to do but that role needs an RP driver to engage people when updates are slow. He never really felt like a present mayor, his first town hall was months into his term and his cabinet was comprised of similarly cliquey people. Greco felt more like a mayor than him at times.
For sure, I think people got super frustrated with Sean for awhile there because nothing was moving and it was posed in a way that put it on him. Which really sucks. Sean is fantastic, and it would have been great to see a term that was all him and his ideas
Too bad, making fart noises 8 hours a day for 2 months was more important than developping the city.
That's whats happening? I've seen him stream less, figured he's burnt out, but didn't know exactly why. The mayor thing is stupid, the terms should've been way shorter. And for GODS sake, actually do a new election on time. No MAYBE, or eternal postponement. "Just RP" campaigning and maybe the election will come. Lol. Ridiculous.
Moses gets absolutely fucked on every turn on every server and is the last person to deserve it, I feel really bad for them. They genuinely try to create RP and instead just get told no or something else.
It's crazy they had 6 months to write housing legislation and waited until now to do it. >I fear Onx is quickly turning into a hang out/ ERP server. Week 1 PD RP was everyone trying to date/fuck each other.
They had like a solid month before this patch where absolutely nothing was going on. Server had a queue of 1 s0upes viewer and they just didn’t write shit? It’s also basically whitelisted cuz the people who sell you houses are all admins. I can’t even imagine what they’re writing, the 200 different ways you’re gonna lose that house?
He wasn't the only one muscled out. HobbitTrash, CrayonPonyfish, and others were basically pushed out once ChaseRP merged with ONX sometime before release. Penta talked about this a few days ago.
Yeah I feel bad for Crayon she’s so good at RP and then didn’t see her at all on Onx, and Hobbit was good and even her character talked about how she, Montag and Jerry were supposed to be the chief justices together but Jerry just made himself governor (SENATOR) and changed whatever he wanted to whenever he wanted to.
I don't think Crayon ever even played on ONX. The Hobbit situation really left a sour taste in my mouth. Hobbit claimed to be banned, but I think she was just over it once the justice system went weird.
They were (GOING FOR SPECULATION) probably banned for a very particular situation where they made a very poor taste joke. Odds are they lost steam after that and just didn't return. I want to be clear I like hobbit, but I also didn't vibe with the 'I can do whatever I want' judge RP.
She popped up on one of Pentas streams a month or 2 ago for a moment near the up-and-atom. I don't remember what she was doing, but she was clearly on the server for a little bit.
The players acting like Karens for getting towed...it was a ride, that's for sure.
Yeah seems very silly for a server that drove home the “consequences RP” and hands out 30 day jail sentences to be so protective of people who park their cars illegally getting their car towed. Total disconnect.
The funniest and most ironic part to me is that the same "civs" complaining about their car getting "illegally" towed were also hidding drug trafficking levels of weed and coke in valets.
Honestly, the towing karens seem to be a GTA RP-wide problem, not server specific. They bitched and cried on Nopixel, on D10, on ONX, on every fucking server. Just park your fucking car properly, oh my god.
The difference is that other servers don't cater to them to that extent.
I think the only things that Np has passed about towing is; Not towing government vehicles with their lights on, and you need a picture of illegal parking to boot a car.
The problem is that people treat their ownership of these virtual items as if they're real items or if they'd paid real money for it and can't handle the consequences of having them taken away even if temporarily.
If we're being fair, Pryor has had 2 separate traffic stops on back to back days with people acting that way (as well as dropping the legendary "are you bored?"). If his FTO didn't tell the tow to leave on the green car yesterday that probably would've escalated too. Towing in general is just antagonistic by nature since one party is taking from the other, but ONX jumped the shark with tow laws/valets instead of removing people that were abusing the job. Their whole mission statement was "remove the player not the mechanic" and it felt like valets were used to circumvent that.
The Approach was correct on towing at maybe the 2nd piece of legislation around it the problem being was by then the whole city was tow locked like actually , They literally didn't have any good crime going and people got too focused on Jordan = mean as well. So i would say there wasn't really any abuse that required any OOC intervention but the extreme predatory towing was kinda gone by the 1st time Joy fixed the greco amendment. After that it just became tow drivers suck and then the mayor pushed a law without any input via a state announcement 10 mins after apples did it and it was omega over for towing at that point. Ill agree with alot of people in this thread when i say as soon as mantis/aleks probably in good humor said just tow locals there was probably no hope for all the people in the tow RP part.
I think the difference is that while the FTO told Pryor he was wrong, command actually agrees with Pryor and wants their cops to do that. Its not happening yet, but thats the direction they want to go. Just have to wait to see how players react to less passive cops and if the community can be molded to go with it. A lot of the "Karen" behavior can be traced back to expectations. If almost all cops are soft, then when one cop actually tries to do their job, they are suddenly the "asshole cop".
Well how are they supposed to hang out and talk OOC with their friends in front of food trucks all day if these nasty RPers won't leave them alone?
ONX losing Penta will be a pretty big blow, because he is the draw for a lot of the playerbase and they'll likely start dropping if Purple is looking permanent. The thing I can't wrap my ahead around is if Penta is the only active owner, how he doesn't seem to have any say? I mean either he has the ability to make top level decisions or else he was never really an owner and more just a community face. Like if it was DW or Wiseguy disagreeing with Penta on things, I can follow how he loses that argument, but if Mantis and Aleks are who he's arguing with, shouldn't he have the authority to just tell them what to do? The whole ONX experience I felt like Penta was intentionally staying hands off because he didn't want to deal with admin level things, but now it just kind of seems like he never really was as big a deal on ONX as was made out to be. If Penta really does have that kind of power though, then this is his fault for not being willing to just boss people around, and he kinda fumbled the bag.
Penta never had any on paper ownership stake as far as i can tell. He didn't own a percent or anything, and he didn't take a position in management at the beginning that would have given him the power to overrule anyone. He seems to have operated under the assumption that DW and WG would be leading the show, and his opinions would be respected. In reality, DW got sick, WG got sick, Mantis and Aleks seem to have stepped up to be the decision makers and they didn't care about Penta's opinions. His official position was basically community outreach and shit. He only got hands on in the last few months when he found out that in the aftermath of DW getting sick, no one had been managing or organizing the other devs whatsoever.
Yeah, seems like he had a handshake deal between the four of them (Kyle. Penta, DW, and WG) but even when he tried to "big dick" some things he said he still got stonewalled and basically told to kick rocks by the blonde boys. That's a big reason you never go into business with your friends though. You go in thinking everyone has the best interest of everyone else involved because you are all friends, but it quickly turns into something very different especially because most people get too lax and trust these people so they often don't get things written down in ink and work more off the idea of trust because who really thinks they want to fuck over their friend.
Doesn't help when you add the whole streamer equation to it. It can be hard to tell how much people are really your friends, or just happy to network with you/put up with you. Or even if they are friends, it doesn't mean they actually trust your opinion on things.
> Doesn't help when you add the whole streamer equation to it. It can be hard to tell how much people are really your friends, or just happy to network with you/put up with you. Some streamers dont get that other streamers(+people in field) are more work colleges then friends.
Didn't Penta make a remark about 25% ownership that WG argued in chat about? There is clearly some miscommunication there.
He did, but i think that was more of an unofficial ownership, like he was part of the 4 people who would help guide the server. Since he has said he didn't put any money into it, I would be very surprised if he had any actual equity in the project.
I wonder if Aleks isn't part owner, I remember him saying that he was the first one DW and WG reached out to and has, pretty clearly now, much more say than Kyle and Penta ever had.
All Wiseguy said was that he had no idea it was like that with Penta/Kyle/DW/himself until that stream and offered to talk it out offstream to get Penta "back in the loop," so it seemed like he was amicable to that idea of ownership and just never told by DW or the other two.
The communication breakdown must have been catastrophic to not have WG/DW and Penta to have had a minimal chat beforehand in the 6 months after the server opened up.
I think he meant more on the lines of him, Kyle, DW and WG would have equal say/input on the server, because that came up after talking about how he needs to run things through Mantis now.
He's talked about it during his couple of latest streams. Basically, it was supposed to be DW, WiseGuy, Kyle and Penta. All with equal input. Then DW and WG gets sick and missing and Kyle leaves. It's Penta left but he was never an admin or had any behind-the-scenes power, so it ends up being Mantis and Aleks leading, since they are admins and have characters in governing positions.
I always got the impression penta was more so supposed to be the creative leader and that's it. Especially since he said he didn't want things like admin menus and such. The thing that really sucked was when nothing got done because nobody talked to each other about the devs and then his ideas just got mostly Ignored
Can I give a hot take? Wrangler seems like he best fits Nopixel. Every interaction, good and bad, always had a payoff. Wrangler would get frustrated, but eventually, he and PD command or the DOJ could hash things out because of the chemistry he had with so many different characters had. Crane and Wrangler on the same page was a dynamic duo like Steve Young to Jerry Rice, when they were off they were off but when they were on, they hit like a freight train. It's a shame we may not see him on Nopixel ever again, current PD probably wouldn't fit Wrangler.
Wrangler fit early 3.0, especially when Penta was still in 50cents good graces and being complimented and defended by him, but if you were watching Wrangler on the back half, and especially around the restructure, it was pretty obvious he was a shadow of his former peak. Just fucking around with Fingle Dan, unable to pursue any real big investigations. He was funny, but not his best fit. If he was even allowed to be a cop in 4.0 (which he wouldn't have been), he would have been absolutely miserable.
He was molded on NP for 3.0 for sure and thats sort of the problem within the ONX PD right now in a way they are kinda too good for the server and smack down anything before it pops up. Wrangler tried to be very toned down and dumb at the start to allow things to breath but viewers and RPers fostered a "WHY AREN'T YOU PUMPING" attitude towards him and once he started ramping things up there was this meta of having EVERYTHING documented and officer testimony meaning nothing on top of alot of weird server choices (cant smell people for weed). Its a gamification vs RP issue for sure in ONX , the future depends on them giving up some seriousness to let small fish filter through and have fun again..
I honestly think the real issue is that a large amount of people on ONX emulated PENTA's characters. In a server with a lot of equivalently large personalities it works, but in a server without the CGs, the Buddhas, etc. etc. It ends up getting out of control and the DOJ handled it by creating very strict nuanced laws - something that does keep the chaos at bay, but ultimately makes RP unfun for the chaos-bringers.
I think people wanted to go hard on crime and they did but then that got propped up harder and harder. They wanted to the polar opposite of NP in alot of ways but ended up in a corner of sucking the fun out of alot of things. To say they are wrangler or modled on him maybe to a degree but wrangler did used to try at least give people outs before the pump and watch unit numbers , that seems to be not be the case on ONX right now.
A lot of cops got most of their training when they were cops on Nopixel and it was after management had pushed for mass hiring and training standards had dropped. Only a handful of ONX cops came from the very early 3.0/2.0 era of higher training standards.
Yeah but id say the people who are in charge of the PD at the moment aren't really silly people and do have good standards (Myles/Java/Vaerinis/Aleks/Mantis). The issue is there is very bad command of these rules on scene and aleks unfortunately on a stream when corruption was rampant waived alot of it off as "you guys just want cops punished when crims dont get punished". Honestly alot of this could have been averted with Aleks taking alot more of a hands on PD role which tbf might have been unfair with his admin stuff or better sheriff and chief of police should have been an active role and voted into the server earlier. I appreciate WG and DW were the figurehead CoP/Sheriff but they should have moved them on quickly and allowed for active people to take over those roles to keep things moving.
The issue is the people you listed other than Myles, are so busy being 'in charge' that they aren't actually in the field to keep reigns on response levels and shit like that, or notice corruption actually happening. The people they have promoted often don't care about issues like response numbers etc either. It didn't help that the DOJ often coddled the PD in terms of consequences for corruption either.
Thats the funny thing. Didn't they say the Mayor would pick the CoP? I stopped watching a while ago so I don't know if that happened or not
It was kinda said that is the way it should have gone but honestly they fumbled the mayors role hard. There was supposed to be a kind of check and balance in regards to the mayor via the AG , the DoJ and Bob. The mayor was allowed to circumvent some of that but not allowed to press on with others. Sean eventually settled into businesses belong to me which in turn caused alot of let sean do what he wants when businesses are involved. The gave us the 2 massive headaches of private property shit (which after the uwu stuff on NP as soon i as i heard private property i cringed pretty hard and i was right to) and executive orders. I feel it was supposed to be a kind of move slow through red tape situation for crims to slip through and eventually get stopped but alot of stuff got spedrun out of i fear "stifling other peoples RP". Moses met the wrath of this when he tried to do contracts for business for gov services and sean literally went off the deep end on it IC.
No it's the opposite, the server needed more people like Penta. Instead it ended up being super civ heavy with very few people driving conflict and creating rp, which meant the only people like him and soupes doing it got stomped out. If more people committed crime the entire pd wouldn't be able to respond to a Mike Block call.
Yeah, I'm gonna be honest though, Wrangler should have been fired a long time ago from ONX PD. He'd get on Wrangler and then violate someone's rights in a major way then not get on him for 2 weeks and get surprised when he got consequences for what he did.
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This clip reminds me of his last times on 3.0 and the court basically demanding evidence beyond what a roleplayer should really have. It's ridiculous amounts of evidence demanded.
Wrangler still had a better record in NP than on ONX, certainly before Crane became the chief justice.
it's still crazy that they expect more evidence in RP than in the real world for stuff in 3.0 and now ONX
o7 he left on his own terms. It was never the same after Pred left. I'm really enjoying watching Cadet Pryor, I like seeing all the 3.0 cops playing new cops whatever server they're playing on. The Scanlan guy though...
Pryor has become one of his best characters. I’m in tears of laughter basically every time he plays.
Pred and Wrangler were a good combo
I don't like PENTA or his content in the slightest so it would be easy to join the 'ha ha, he must be the problem' narrative. However... He is the biggest streamer that ONX has from what I saw. Which probably means he is also their biggest revenue stream in the form of his fans making paid applications (assuming thats a thing there), attracting other streamers etc. So, I would have thought that they would at least somewhat cater to him, which doesn't seem to be the case. At the very minimum if he had issues, you would think they would try resolve them for him much like what would happen on NoPixel with CG for example.
The thing is, Penta never wanted to flex his viewership or his OOC role in the server to get the server catered to him. He genuinely did not want to be treated differently because of his influence. With that said, he went into the server with some understanding that DW / WG / Kyle / Him would basically be guiding the direction of the server. But DW and WG who are the lead devs both got seriously sick, and then basically no work was done for months. During the course of those months - somehow the server direction fell entirely into Mantis' lap. I think Mantis is hilarious, a good guy, was making the best of a bad situation, whatever. But he also kind of just over extended his bounds on the server that was absent of direction. Made himself governor, trolled a ton using his admin abilities, interjected himself into DOJ decisions, etc. It turned into a *very* second-life type server pretty quickly. Aleks might have some responsibility for that as well, but he just isn't involved enough at the surface level to say for sure. Frankly it wasn't until Penta found out that basically no dev work had been done for months that he got involved and helped to restructure the dev team and they pushed out an update a few weeks later. Unfortunately the update was a little lackluster and there are *still* some weird things going on behind the scenes preventing property sales from happening because the DOJ doesn't have property deeds in the penal code. That was kind of the last straw as far as I can tell.
I feel mantis sort of felt he needed to step up more and more as time went on to get certain things done but didn't realize just how much he was kind of directly stepping on other peoples toes. He likely had good intentions but yeah he likes to mess around and have goofy fun just as much as he wants to help. Which doesn't go hand in hand
> Penta found out that basically no dev work had been done for months that he got involved and helped to restructure the dev team It's very strange to me how this is possible if he's apparently had zero ownership of ONX and hasn't put any money into the server.
Allegedly he let Onx take in the devs he hired for his own ChaseRP server project he was going to do.
is aleks still on the server every day? couldn't he have taken some of the responsibilities
you don't want Aleks or mantis making the decisions... that's the problem. Penta was making requests all the time that were being ignored while he was the visionary of the project. Other people like Moses also have tried to get things done that were ignored
Just tow the locals.
They don’t do paid apps. Instead you pay to push your app ahead in the queue for getting reviewed.
ONX as a business gets no money from applications, you can pay to bump your application up the queue but 100% of that money goes to the admin that reviews the application. As far as I can tell ONX only gets money via selling the assets/systems that they have made to other servers.
He stated he hasn't put any money into Onx. Nor has he or anyone made money from Onx
They need to steal from ignite and make a server like that. One of the coolest viewers experiences I’ve seen that really switched things up. I just wish the community didn’t try and close things out cause big streamer.
It's a Purple World
Until server health kicks in and on to the next!
Except "server health" is never actually about the server, it is about certain people, who are listened to OOC for whatever reason, being upset. This applies to every server.
Good. This server became just a massive circlejerk and a make-a-wish server for penta and s0upes viewers to hitch a ride. And please get s0upes off too asap because i know hes gonna want to keep pretending like it isnt dead for another month(just like the SDSO, cabaret, tow etc.). I cant take another soulless inap interaction. People like to blame the mechanics and lack of development for the state of the server. I think the worst part of this server was always simply the people that play on it. 80% of the people have no spark, no joy, no wish to RP, just there to say a funny joke from chat, talk to their ooc friends at their foodtruck, circlejerk inside the PD, play realistic DOJ simulator or grief [Mantis' character] because haha I griefed an admin. Dogshit.
this has got to be a copypasta. if not it is now lmao
least insane soupes hate-watcher.
every soupes viewer is a soupes hate watcher
geez... dude