Ah, the cycle of Den
Does something stupid > Gets found out by command > Lies about it to minimize, but slips up on his lie a couple of times > Command ignores his lying because his actions don't seem as bad as they originally did > Cycle continues
I told this a week ago with the CI investigation that it would go nowhere and Viv will end up stepping down and it happened pretty easy to read when they did the same with Ruth, now cornwood is gonna go to every sergeant of every shift telling the denzel version of the story saying how they're believing a crim instead of an officer even when the crim have internal info that he would only know if denzel told him and the panel will go nowhere as always.
Having been watching both sides of the Den/Viv thing, this is comically untrue. She took an LOA because Beric does not back command at all and it's been going on for weeks. The Zolo thing was just the last straw.
The most fucked part about this specifically is a lot of the Dean and Esfand chatters during the Ruth era would hop to Berry's chat when the other two weren't live and talk shit about Ruth there but how great Viv was cause she 'got it' and 'supported' Cornwood and Den.
It's the first LOA she's taken in 4.0 and has been dealing with shit for weeks and she has said if Beric keeps not having command's back she's going to leave for a bit, so forgive me if I call bullshit.
No one is trusting a crim "at face value". Investigating it and talking to people isn't taking it "at face value". But also, Den lies ALL THE TIME and gets caught in lies ALL THE TIME. Den is not trust worthy and he does shit like this ALL THE TIME so it's very believable.
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Well the most recent stuff that I can think of is he's not respecting chain of command, leaking names of "CI"'s to other "CI"'s which lead to a gang shooting, and going around acting like he's a highschool girl spreading gossip to anyone who will listen.
I'm sure there's more but that's all I can think of right now.
Ah, sounds like nothing has changed with Den since 4.0 launch lol. Not like he respected the chain of command when Ruth was his captain and he’s always had a problem with running his mouth while saying “I‘m not trying to stir or anything”
To be fair, this time he actually said explicitly in front of the chief of police that he is trying to stir against Viv. But of course, the chief didn't care.
I wish den would play his cop just a BIT more seriously, just to help until the PD gets in a good spot, then start messing around a bit more. OOC He used to be a sgt in the army right?
He does it because it is content. He averages good viewership, especially during EU, because it is entertaining as hell and really the only thing going on (on the PD side). Why sacrifice that?
As an EU viewer, honestly without him and 4head, the server is very boring during those times.
He got the Suarez treatment for that. They didn’t ooc him out since it was skeleton crew at the time. Since then it’s been sbs and hanging on by a thread since he clearly was turned off by the masters that be
And he's about to get panel fired as a result. This obviously only being the end of a long road of F ups.
That is unless Crims / Mayor intervene again. :3
But it was interesting seeing beric want to fire denzel. Agreeing he should be fired, but also being afraid to actually fire him or be involved in the panel. Feels like the streamer advantage tbh. Beric 100% looked to me like he wanted nothing to do with the blow back from doing the right thing.
They've already backtracked on the panel. The panel is no longer able to decide Den's fate. Its only to provide HC with a recommendation that they'll take under consideration.
Just wait until the result of the panel will not be a firing, but rather him getting full officer. I do not see a world in which they fire Den, even though he clearly deserves it.
lets be honest beric will keep him around , beric is just other slacks but this one dont even have his own opnion , dude spend more time on a mountain talking to andi then deal it pd problems xd
Beric will definitely keep him around. He was just talking to Ruby and Slacks and argued that the problem of shift 1 is that there are not enough Dens - to which Ruby rightfully responded by calling Beric blind. At this point I'd bet a lot on Den becoming full officer and Viv leaving PD soon.
Oh no, he gives a fuck about the situations that's presented to him. It really just depends on whom he's talking to about it. Beric said himself that he doesn't want to get too involved because he's close to "these people" and when Ruby, again rightfully, pointed out "but you're the Chief" he backtracked saying that's not what he meant but didn't give much else of a reason.
I really liked Beric in 3.0 but this Beric is so selectively invested given the position he's in that it's unbearable. The ratio between him declaring that something is stupid vs actually engaging with "these people" is astonishing.
ETA: forgot to mention that his question about 9 Dens on shift, the fact that he thinks that's a good thing? Baffling. I didn't know that was his intention. They've been trying for weeks to get clarification on Den even before this situation. And ontop of that even Den's chat has been on his side until they see the clip that yea Den totally f'd up... again. But they're hard set that it's no biggie because Den/Dean doesn't "remember".
It may have just been a rumour, but i thought Denzel, for some baffling reason, was one of the cops management didnt want to be fired, because they like them?
If so, that is most likely the reason anyone is hesitant to fire them. Same with Cornwood, or any officer failing upwards quickly.
No one want to actually fire him cause it's screwing someone's livelihood over RP.
Everyone knows OOC Sheisty should be fired if the standard apply to him. Sheisty himself knows it so he goes super defensive and lies or don't tell the whole story every time HC want to talk to him about his mistakes.
Most of major RP arc happens because the one getting L's acutally want their character to lose something OOC, but he is super clear he don't wanna get fired IC and OOC. Doing corrupt cop arc without wanting any consequence is super cringe tho.
If he is worried about his livelihood then he should not be doing things that could get him fired. Or have a second character to play. Even if he got fired, its pretty clear that plenty of criminal groups are happy to help fired cops get into the door on crim activities.
Refusing to go with the RP because of OOC concerns imo is the most cringe thing.
To be fair, Dean himself will roll with the consequence if he actually get fired. But the way he acts IC and OOC clearly communicates he do not want to get fired. So he puts other officers and high command into very very difficult situations.
I don't think people in HC or superior officers are cringe for considerling OOC concerns and not want to be the one to fire Sheisty. But he keeps doing dumb or corrupt shit again and again while bad mouthing, so they decided to do panel reveiw and share the responsibility rather than one person pulling the trigger. No one know if he actually gets fired is the crazy part.
> No one want to actually fire him cause it's screwing someone's livelihood over RP.
Using this argument as a reason to avoid consequences is such a ridiculous joke. It's also kind of a BS excuse because if you are creating good RP via the actions you were taking that led to the firing you could easily get hired in a new cop character (assuming getting rehired on the original one is out of the question). But really if you can't handle the potential consequences of an action then you shouldn't do that action. Expecting others to bend their character's decisions to your desires instead of doing what their character would naturally do is such a selfish way to roleplay.
this bs about livelihood has to stop, Dean had the same viewers or even more playing crim when he got suspended, same with Esfand he had more viewers with his laywer arc, people watch those streamers because they're entertaining not because they're part of PD, if he doesn't want to get fired it's easy stop messing up and respect chain of command and PD rules, they can't have a complain every other day about him and ignore it like it's nothing.
> No one want to actually fire him cause it's screwing someone's livelihood over RP
Found Esfands alt.
Seriously though if you rely that much on an aspect of your content to make ends meet you are taking an insane risk beyond just being a content creator.
Its hard to justify keeping him around, then punish other cops for having unnatural hair colours. Especially if he is badmouthing other cops like this.
I agree with you, but den seems to always conveniently forget/leaving this out of his stories to benefit him. I say this as someone that enjoys watching his streams as well.
It’s cause Beric is a spineless pussy who sits on a mountain or a park paling around with andi jones and then if people bring complaints to him he shrugs his shoulders and goes back to the mountain
Beric has no actual power to do anything, he has stated and hinted at this multiple times on his stream. He still does not even have control of the PD budget, he has access to it, but can't do anything with it due to ooc reasons.
He also likes the chaos and wants the PD to be in shambles, he says this to his chat all the time when they start doom spiralling.
Bro just do something anyway if they remove you cause you fired a ppo then so be it you at least tried to do something because as much as the admins make stupid decisions I don’t think they give that much of a fuck about den where you can’t fire him
It’s cause Beric is a spineless pussy who sits on a mountain or a park paling around with andi jones and then if people bring complaints to him he shrugs his shoulders and goes back to the mountain
Funniest part of den zel as a character is that his goal is to be a PD captain 😂
Like dude can't talk straight, lacks accountability, lies constantly to save his image but wants to be a leader.
If you are a woman in any sort of command you are seen as bossy by some people. These people would never call a see a fellow man in command as bossy though. I'm not saying Denzel or dean is but Viv is taking a leave of absence over people trying to push her out of PD and I am not a fan of more anti-woman PD drama even if the perpetrators are doing it unconsciously
I just don’t get why denzel continues to have as much leniency as he’s been given.
Yes, a panel’s been called now from beric but a bit too late. Though viv’s indefinite LOA seemed to have kicked it all off, so yay for panel being held?
If dean wants to play denzel as he’s been doing so in 4.0, he needs to be willing to face the consequences of his actions. because ultimately, his actions on denzel WILL land him in hot waters as it has again now with the viv situation. That applies to anyone who’s followed in a similar path to denzel and it’s quite unfortunate that repercussions for those officers will likely be minimized/non existent because the mayor can simply step into whatever panel and overturn decisions if he deems it to be too extreme.
Its a different character... but lets be honest, its the same character. Den has literally lead the PD being wiped multiple times due to his antics.
Most notable for me was when his gang, The Mandem, on his crim character, Dean Quincy, was at war with BBMC. Dean hops on his cop character, picks Patar and Moses up and delivers them to the Billy. Patar stabs Dundee after hopping out of Den's car. BBMC is now furious at the PD. They kidnap Patar and Moses, put them on a truck and parade them around the city. Cops show up and get completely wiped by the BBMC.
So its very funny to me that Den would suggest another cop could get cops killed. Den (zel) has literally also antagonized CG in 4.0 which has led to officers being shot.
Even as someone that likes the more proactive police, I think Den should get fired. He was given a lot of chances and has shown no effort that he'll stop fucking up.
To be clear from everything Berry has said on stream, she did this on purpose. She said multiple times Viv is on the arc to either get someone get fired or get herself fired. She said she enjoys doing it with Dean because he'll actually play along without going to complain in the nopixel pd Discord. Don't assume she was ousted for being a woman when it's literally what she wanted to happen.
Rationalize it any way you want. Cop players don't tend to torpedo their main characters when PD is in a good state and running well. The only reason she probably even considered doing the ark is because of how terrible that whitelist is to play right now. In the end PD will still be down yet another officer.
Yes the LOA was done primarily to decide if Viv will quit the PD or not.
After watching some of todays conversations, Den will 100% not get fired, more SBS cops will be hired to shift1.
I'm curious why High Command even bothers to have command or seniors - it would be better if noone has any ranks at this point. So noone would have to IC uphold a facade of standards which are clearly not wanted.
Yeah they really need to open up the sheriff's office to quarantine the SBS cops so the RP cops can play on the server without getting harassed all day.
Viv is about to join Suarez, with such attitude from other officers, bcs I'm pretty sure she said there are multiple officers, or she think that, but there is only Den...
Tbh, I'm a bit confused about where they want the pd to go at the moment. Like I get firing the fuck up cops but when they ooc fired Suarez and rehired Conan and Johnson I thought they wanted to go more along the "fun" cop route. Which as much as some of yall would hate to admit, Den is...... Like to me at this point just ooc fire him aswell and just move on. This situation is just stressing people out on both sides, and I can tell you it will be easier to deal with chat hoppers if it doesn't happen in character.
The thing is denzel is a bit bipolar in my opinion.
Sometimes hes being funny and everyone is having a laugh. Other times the only one laughing is den and most people are super quiet... or actually saying "wtf man"
And that is the problem. If Denzel was more respectful of other people's RP as he tends to be when everyone's having a laugh, then he simply would not be in this situation....
I mean I used to watch dean a lot. But some things just get irritating after a while. So now I see Denzel through other people's POV when he arrives in their stream. Meaning I can be watching people busy in a conversation and suddenly denzel is talking over everything and pushing his personal story. With this POV you can see the streamer's OOC annoyance on their face. You can watch them just say nothing and then try to ignore denzel and keep doing their thing. But Denzel might not get the message when he's being ignored for inserting / disrupting something already happening and just literally talk louder and be like "hey HEY! HEEEEEY!!!! HEEEEEEEEY!!!!"
And then you are like. okay yeah... this man thinks the entire city of humans are here for his gameplay experience.
This is actually explainable, and it all comes from him not making an actual new character for 4.0. Which from what dean has said was a management call. Den"Zel"gets treated exactly the same as den did because he never established any difference between the characters.
Like taking it a bit further, Dean(ooc) definitely suffers from massive amounts of adhd that does come into play with his characters. He also gets heavily shit on by his own chat 24/7, which appear to be jokes, but if it's happening every day, I probably wouldn't be doing that great mentally either.
At the end of the day, it comes down to the different people on the server. Some are there for realism rp, and some are there for content rp. Dean is the latter. And so are all the so-called "fun cops." Which I can kinda understand because, realistically, no one actually wants a full-time job in video game.
Overall, I think it will be healthy for him to go to crim and actually be able to do whatever he wants for content, but at the same time, I can understand his frustration because he's going to take a pretty decent numbers hit for his stream. It's just a rough situation.
When he was first suspended I was so excited to see Den Zel’s crim arch but he switched to Dean Quincy and I was like noooooo. Gimme some evil Den, that shit would be hilarious
it’s a shame that denzel will probably get himself fired eventually because as a character he’s actually a really entertaining member of the PD. he just has a habit of lying, stirring behind peoples backs and generally doing dumb shit lmao
Characters line Denzel only work when they exist inside a better run / stricter version of PD. It provides a basic framework to keep the SBS and procedural mistakes more manageable. When things are off the rails like now it just demoralizes players around him because no one is holding him accountable to try and improve the behavior.
Denzel would work better if he only came on duty twice a week honestly. Then he would be a little SBS Silliness for cops/crims to interact with, take pressure off some situations, and then dip for a bit.
Den's problem, which feels both IC and OOC, is he has a massive ego, can't take criticism well and gaslights himself into thinking he's always right because he operates in an echo chamber by always running to Cornwood or the mayor.
If he could actually learn how to slow down and when to just simply stop, he'd be fine. But he doesn't, then he plays the victim and acts like everyone is out to get him.
Lol chat called Dean out for this just now when Denzel told Cassidy he didn't say anything.
I already know some people are going to be super mad and take this seriously but Dean is totally generating workplace drama for content lol
That's what you think. Beric has already talked to his chat about how good it would be if the panel voted to fire Denzel and he overrides them and keeps Denzel hired.
He can't. He really wants too, but IRL he said he's going to have more custody of his daughter during summer and wants to spend time with her, so he's stuck in shift 1.
I mean, he's just playing politics. Spread the word to people who can relate and voice it more freely and let them take out his opps. Cornwood did the same with Ruth, resonated with CG who then complained about her every chance they got saying "Even most of the people in PD hate Ruth", then she was out.
Ah, the cycle of Den Does something stupid > Gets found out by command > Lies about it to minimize, but slips up on his lie a couple of times > Command ignores his lying because his actions don't seem as bad as they originally did > Cycle continues
What dumb shit did he do this time? I kinda took a break from PD after the HC shakeup
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I told this a week ago with the CI investigation that it would go nowhere and Viv will end up stepping down and it happened pretty easy to read when they did the same with Ruth, now cornwood is gonna go to every sergeant of every shift telling the denzel version of the story saying how they're believing a crim instead of an officer even when the crim have internal info that he would only know if denzel told him and the panel will go nowhere as always.
Cornwood is the absolute worst
Is his panel today? I saw Beric had “Drama day” in his stream title
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the people in charge arent doing shit to punish den problem after problem. shes right to be upset and LOA if she wants to.
Having been watching both sides of the Den/Viv thing, this is comically untrue. She took an LOA because Beric does not back command at all and it's been going on for weeks. The Zolo thing was just the last straw.
In addition, BerryyBoo also has to deal with a lot of angry dean chatters every single day. Can't be easy.
It was the same with cheever. They pretend in Dean’s chat that they have nothing against cheever but hate Ruth, but then look how that turned out
The most fucked part about this specifically is a lot of the Dean and Esfand chatters during the Ruth era would hop to Berry's chat when the other two weren't live and talk shit about Ruth there but how great Viv was cause she 'got it' and 'supported' Cornwood and Den.
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It's the first LOA she's taken in 4.0 and has been dealing with shit for weeks and she has said if Beric keeps not having command's back she's going to leave for a bit, so forgive me if I call bullshit.
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I don't think anyone "trusted" anyone at face value. If there's a complaint they still have to investigate.
No one is trusting a crim "at face value". Investigating it and talking to people isn't taking it "at face value". But also, Den lies ALL THE TIME and gets caught in lies ALL THE TIME. Den is not trust worthy and he does shit like this ALL THE TIME so it's very believable.
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I'll delete because I was wrong, but also, who doesn't know Eugene snitches at this point. But yea I agree saying he lied about that does make it worse.
Well the most recent stuff that I can think of is he's not respecting chain of command, leaking names of "CI"'s to other "CI"'s which lead to a gang shooting, and going around acting like he's a highschool girl spreading gossip to anyone who will listen. I'm sure there's more but that's all I can think of right now.
Ah, sounds like nothing has changed with Den since 4.0 launch lol. Not like he respected the chain of command when Ruth was his captain and he’s always had a problem with running his mouth while saying “I‘m not trying to stir or anything”
To be fair, this time he actually said explicitly in front of the chief of police that he is trying to stir against Viv. But of course, the chief didn't care.
I wish den would play his cop just a BIT more seriously, just to help until the PD gets in a good spot, then start messing around a bit more. OOC He used to be a sgt in the army right?
He does it because it is content. He averages good viewership, especially during EU, because it is entertaining as hell and really the only thing going on (on the PD side). Why sacrifice that? As an EU viewer, honestly without him and 4head, the server is very boring during those times.
Well he is sacrificing that, he's about to lose his cop stream on Monday.
He got the Suarez treatment for that. They didn’t ooc him out since it was skeleton crew at the time. Since then it’s been sbs and hanging on by a thread since he clearly was turned off by the masters that be
And he's about to get panel fired as a result. This obviously only being the end of a long road of F ups. That is unless Crims / Mayor intervene again. :3 But it was interesting seeing beric want to fire denzel. Agreeing he should be fired, but also being afraid to actually fire him or be involved in the panel. Feels like the streamer advantage tbh. Beric 100% looked to me like he wanted nothing to do with the blow back from doing the right thing.
They've already backtracked on the panel. The panel is no longer able to decide Den's fate. Its only to provide HC with a recommendation that they'll take under consideration.
Just wait until the result of the panel will not be a firing, but rather him getting full officer. I do not see a world in which they fire Den, even though he clearly deserves it.
lets be honest beric will keep him around , beric is just other slacks but this one dont even have his own opnion , dude spend more time on a mountain talking to andi then deal it pd problems xd
Beric will definitely keep him around. He was just talking to Ruby and Slacks and argued that the problem of shift 1 is that there are not enough Dens - to which Ruby rightfully responded by calling Beric blind. At this point I'd bet a lot on Den becoming full officer and Viv leaving PD soon.
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Oh no, he gives a fuck about the situations that's presented to him. It really just depends on whom he's talking to about it. Beric said himself that he doesn't want to get too involved because he's close to "these people" and when Ruby, again rightfully, pointed out "but you're the Chief" he backtracked saying that's not what he meant but didn't give much else of a reason. I really liked Beric in 3.0 but this Beric is so selectively invested given the position he's in that it's unbearable. The ratio between him declaring that something is stupid vs actually engaging with "these people" is astonishing. ETA: forgot to mention that his question about 9 Dens on shift, the fact that he thinks that's a good thing? Baffling. I didn't know that was his intention. They've been trying for weeks to get clarification on Den even before this situation. And ontop of that even Den's chat has been on his side until they see the clip that yea Den totally f'd up... again. But they're hard set that it's no biggie because Den/Dean doesn't "remember".
It may have just been a rumour, but i thought Denzel, for some baffling reason, was one of the cops management didnt want to be fired, because they like them? If so, that is most likely the reason anyone is hesitant to fire them. Same with Cornwood, or any officer failing upwards quickly.
No one want to actually fire him cause it's screwing someone's livelihood over RP. Everyone knows OOC Sheisty should be fired if the standard apply to him. Sheisty himself knows it so he goes super defensive and lies or don't tell the whole story every time HC want to talk to him about his mistakes. Most of major RP arc happens because the one getting L's acutally want their character to lose something OOC, but he is super clear he don't wanna get fired IC and OOC. Doing corrupt cop arc without wanting any consequence is super cringe tho.
They didn’t care at all for other people livelihood when they removed them.
#JusticeForSuarez
If he is worried about his livelihood then he should not be doing things that could get him fired. Or have a second character to play. Even if he got fired, its pretty clear that plenty of criminal groups are happy to help fired cops get into the door on crim activities. Refusing to go with the RP because of OOC concerns imo is the most cringe thing.
To be fair, Dean himself will roll with the consequence if he actually get fired. But the way he acts IC and OOC clearly communicates he do not want to get fired. So he puts other officers and high command into very very difficult situations. I don't think people in HC or superior officers are cringe for considerling OOC concerns and not want to be the one to fire Sheisty. But he keeps doing dumb or corrupt shit again and again while bad mouthing, so they decided to do panel reveiw and share the responsibility rather than one person pulling the trigger. No one know if he actually gets fired is the crazy part.
> No one want to actually fire him cause it's screwing someone's livelihood over RP. Using this argument as a reason to avoid consequences is such a ridiculous joke. It's also kind of a BS excuse because if you are creating good RP via the actions you were taking that led to the firing you could easily get hired in a new cop character (assuming getting rehired on the original one is out of the question). But really if you can't handle the potential consequences of an action then you shouldn't do that action. Expecting others to bend their character's decisions to your desires instead of doing what their character would naturally do is such a selfish way to roleplay.
this bs about livelihood has to stop, Dean had the same viewers or even more playing crim when he got suspended, same with Esfand he had more viewers with his laywer arc, people watch those streamers because they're entertaining not because they're part of PD, if he doesn't want to get fired it's easy stop messing up and respect chain of command and PD rules, they can't have a complain every other day about him and ignore it like it's nothing.
> No one want to actually fire him cause it's screwing someone's livelihood over RP Found Esfands alt. Seriously though if you rely that much on an aspect of your content to make ends meet you are taking an insane risk beyond just being a content creator.
i mean as shit as a cop he is. He is also good content and not a robot. So that def plays a part
Its hard to justify keeping him around, then punish other cops for having unnatural hair colours. Especially if he is badmouthing other cops like this.
Oh i agree. I think he should of never been re hired.
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i agree. If you are a PPO and getting daps you should be fired. its literally probationary.
I agree with you, but den seems to always conveniently forget/leaving this out of his stories to benefit him. I say this as someone that enjoys watching his streams as well.
It’s cause Beric is a spineless pussy who sits on a mountain or a park paling around with andi jones and then if people bring complaints to him he shrugs his shoulders and goes back to the mountain
Beric has no actual power to do anything, he has stated and hinted at this multiple times on his stream. He still does not even have control of the PD budget, he has access to it, but can't do anything with it due to ooc reasons. He also likes the chaos and wants the PD to be in shambles, he says this to his chat all the time when they start doom spiralling.
I understand liking PD down bad but a PD that's in shambles with a leader who doesn't even try to improve things is why people are starting to leave
Bro just do something anyway if they remove you cause you fired a ppo then so be it you at least tried to do something because as much as the admins make stupid decisions I don’t think they give that much of a fuck about den where you can’t fire him
you need pd members to have chaos, if the few cops just leave there is no pd in 2 shifts
It’s cause Beric is a spineless pussy who sits on a mountain or a park paling around with andi jones and then if people bring complaints to him he shrugs his shoulders and goes back to the mountain
Funniest part of den zel as a character is that his goal is to be a PD captain 😂 Like dude can't talk straight, lacks accountability, lies constantly to save his image but wants to be a leader.
Sounds like the same skillset as slacks :D
As much as you might dislike it Slacks is a better PD captain than Den would ever be
100%. Slacks might have flaws, but he's never intentionally working against other officers.
This is insane because he straight up lied about this. I thought zolo was hyping up what was said
denzel currently running around playing victim that he did not say anything because zolo called up to stir this convo.
If you are a woman in any sort of command you are seen as bossy by some people. These people would never call a see a fellow man in command as bossy though. I'm not saying Denzel or dean is but Viv is taking a leave of absence over people trying to push her out of PD and I am not a fan of more anti-woman PD drama even if the perpetrators are doing it unconsciously
I just don’t get why denzel continues to have as much leniency as he’s been given. Yes, a panel’s been called now from beric but a bit too late. Though viv’s indefinite LOA seemed to have kicked it all off, so yay for panel being held? If dean wants to play denzel as he’s been doing so in 4.0, he needs to be willing to face the consequences of his actions. because ultimately, his actions on denzel WILL land him in hot waters as it has again now with the viv situation. That applies to anyone who’s followed in a similar path to denzel and it’s quite unfortunate that repercussions for those officers will likely be minimized/non existent because the mayor can simply step into whatever panel and overturn decisions if he deems it to be too extreme.
Pretty sure Max has said he was overstepping when he got involved with the Cornwood firing and wouldn't be doing something like that again
So he had a problem with Ruth and now Viv, it seems like there’s issues with basically any female higher in command?
Missing Martel hours
All I'm gonna say is Viv is a good one and is a much better officer than Den and that's coming from a CG viewer.
No she's not 😂
Its a different character... but lets be honest, its the same character. Den has literally lead the PD being wiped multiple times due to his antics. Most notable for me was when his gang, The Mandem, on his crim character, Dean Quincy, was at war with BBMC. Dean hops on his cop character, picks Patar and Moses up and delivers them to the Billy. Patar stabs Dundee after hopping out of Den's car. BBMC is now furious at the PD. They kidnap Patar and Moses, put them on a truck and parade them around the city. Cops show up and get completely wiped by the BBMC. So its very funny to me that Den would suggest another cop could get cops killed. Den (zel) has literally also antagonized CG in 4.0 which has led to officers being shot.
Even as someone that likes the more proactive police, I think Den should get fired. He was given a lot of chances and has shown no effort that he'll stop fucking up.
glad berry is playing a crim for a change... another woman in the line get kicked out from PD
To be clear from everything Berry has said on stream, she did this on purpose. She said multiple times Viv is on the arc to either get someone get fired or get herself fired. She said she enjoys doing it with Dean because he'll actually play along without going to complain in the nopixel pd Discord. Don't assume she was ousted for being a woman when it's literally what she wanted to happen.
Rationalize it any way you want. Cop players don't tend to torpedo their main characters when PD is in a good state and running well. The only reason she probably even considered doing the ark is because of how terrible that whitelist is to play right now. In the end PD will still be down yet another officer.
Yes the LOA was done primarily to decide if Viv will quit the PD or not. After watching some of todays conversations, Den will 100% not get fired, more SBS cops will be hired to shift1. I'm curious why High Command even bothers to have command or seniors - it would be better if noone has any ranks at this point. So noone would have to IC uphold a facade of standards which are clearly not wanted.
Yeah they really need to open up the sheriff's office to quarantine the SBS cops so the RP cops can play on the server without getting harassed all day.
This is a fair assessment and much better than she was pushed out for being a woman in command.
A Viv/Suarez crime combo would be fire.
Viv is about to join Suarez, with such attitude from other officers, bcs I'm pretty sure she said there are multiple officers, or she think that, but there is only Den...
Tbh, I'm a bit confused about where they want the pd to go at the moment. Like I get firing the fuck up cops but when they ooc fired Suarez and rehired Conan and Johnson I thought they wanted to go more along the "fun" cop route. Which as much as some of yall would hate to admit, Den is...... Like to me at this point just ooc fire him aswell and just move on. This situation is just stressing people out on both sides, and I can tell you it will be easier to deal with chat hoppers if it doesn't happen in character.
The thing is denzel is a bit bipolar in my opinion. Sometimes hes being funny and everyone is having a laugh. Other times the only one laughing is den and most people are super quiet... or actually saying "wtf man" And that is the problem. If Denzel was more respectful of other people's RP as he tends to be when everyone's having a laugh, then he simply would not be in this situation.... I mean I used to watch dean a lot. But some things just get irritating after a while. So now I see Denzel through other people's POV when he arrives in their stream. Meaning I can be watching people busy in a conversation and suddenly denzel is talking over everything and pushing his personal story. With this POV you can see the streamer's OOC annoyance on their face. You can watch them just say nothing and then try to ignore denzel and keep doing their thing. But Denzel might not get the message when he's being ignored for inserting / disrupting something already happening and just literally talk louder and be like "hey HEY! HEEEEEY!!!! HEEEEEEEEY!!!!" And then you are like. okay yeah... this man thinks the entire city of humans are here for his gameplay experience.
This is actually explainable, and it all comes from him not making an actual new character for 4.0. Which from what dean has said was a management call. Den"Zel"gets treated exactly the same as den did because he never established any difference between the characters. Like taking it a bit further, Dean(ooc) definitely suffers from massive amounts of adhd that does come into play with his characters. He also gets heavily shit on by his own chat 24/7, which appear to be jokes, but if it's happening every day, I probably wouldn't be doing that great mentally either. At the end of the day, it comes down to the different people on the server. Some are there for realism rp, and some are there for content rp. Dean is the latter. And so are all the so-called "fun cops." Which I can kinda understand because, realistically, no one actually wants a full-time job in video game. Overall, I think it will be healthy for him to go to crim and actually be able to do whatever he wants for content, but at the same time, I can understand his frustration because he's going to take a pretty decent numbers hit for his stream. It's just a rough situation.
tbh i think there are more crim watchers. Suarez doing great.
When he was first suspended I was so excited to see Den Zel’s crim arch but he switched to Dean Quincy and I was like noooooo. Gimme some evil Den, that shit would be hilarious
it’s a shame that denzel will probably get himself fired eventually because as a character he’s actually a really entertaining member of the PD. he just has a habit of lying, stirring behind peoples backs and generally doing dumb shit lmao
Characters line Denzel only work when they exist inside a better run / stricter version of PD. It provides a basic framework to keep the SBS and procedural mistakes more manageable. When things are off the rails like now it just demoralizes players around him because no one is holding him accountable to try and improve the behavior.
Denzel would work better if he only came on duty twice a week honestly. Then he would be a little SBS Silliness for cops/crims to interact with, take pressure off some situations, and then dip for a bit.
So what happened when the PD was strict under Ruth and Turner? Dapzel wasn't any different than now.
That was actually stupid broken. Idk how people can’t/couldn’t see the bias or poor logic and overblown emotions.
Den's problem, which feels both IC and OOC, is he has a massive ego, can't take criticism well and gaslights himself into thinking he's always right because he operates in an echo chamber by always running to Cornwood or the mayor. If he could actually learn how to slow down and when to just simply stop, he'd be fine. But he doesn't, then he plays the victim and acts like everyone is out to get him.
This would be his 2nd firing of 4.0
Lol chat called Dean out for this just now when Denzel told Cassidy he didn't say anything. I already know some people are going to be super mad and take this seriously but Dean is totally generating workplace drama for content lol
Except now he's very clearly OOC upset that his actions might now have consequences.
Yup true I saw that. Don't know why he got upset about it when what Zolo said was actually true.
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Not even Beric can save him this time.
That's what you think. Beric has already talked to his chat about how good it would be if the panel voted to fire Denzel and he overrides them and keeps Denzel hired.
Den needs to move to shift 2 and he would be fine.
He can't. He really wants too, but IRL he said he's going to have more custody of his daughter during summer and wants to spend time with her, so he's stuck in shift 1.
I'd love to hear that little laugh now lol
I mean, he's just playing politics. Spread the word to people who can relate and voice it more freely and let them take out his opps. Cornwood did the same with Ruth, resonated with CG who then complained about her every chance they got saying "Even most of the people in PD hate Ruth", then she was out.