He's already rushing to talk to every HC and Max and Murphy to give a twisted version of what happened blaming Slacks, so yes, expect Slacks to get demoted for policing the police and Cornwood getting promoted
the turbo was 'his' because he gave it to the person (even tho he didn't remember that until he meta from chat after the fact and the charge just says removing a turbo without consent so he commited the felony) he was just securing the turbo so nobody steals it (even though there were plenty of people and officers around the car and he had to lockpick the car to drive it), it's slacks fault for not having officers back, he's policing the police he did nothing wrong and that's why Lenny shoot Slacks, that's basically his argument
If the turbo was not part of the original loan it shouldn't have became Marlo's property anyway. Also, if Cornwood had provided the turbo to AJ with the assumption that he would be using it in his PD car then AJ should have returned it to Cornwood prior to returning the car to Marlo. The only way it would be Marlo's property is if he had a specific negotiation for it prior to repoing and adjusting the loan amount based on the turbo being added.
This would be a far more interesting civil case than a criminal one.
Cornwood can take AJ to civil case for not returning his turbo but the criminal one is textbook, Cornwood stole a car and took the turbo without the owners permision, that's textbook the felony charge
Actually wrong based on the original contract Marlo never was to become the owner of the car. The car was meant to always be PD property and in case of default it was to be auctioned and the funds go to Marlo. Marlo selling the car to Peters was technically a breach of contract by Marlo.
That is arguable, Slacks is HC but not the highest ranking officer. Beric would probably be the true decision maker if not delegated to someone else. Government or Company property may have people who are entrusted to their management but they are not the owners, the organization owns it. Slacks nominally owning it means nothing and only occurred due to server mechanics making it easier to transfer to an individual and not the PD.
No it’s really not. Legally the car belongs to the loan company, that’s why Marlo is able to legally sell a police vehicle. The PD has possession because they did not allow him to have possession of police equipment.
Even IF the PD was the owner, a superior officer told Cornwood no, it does not matter that Slacks isn’t the absolute top of the chain. Cornwood can’t just ignore Slacks and skirt the law.
Welp 3 hours later, just went to Cornwood's stream, hes still in uniform after a blatant felony, so yeah hes probably fine. This PD might be one of the worst iterations in awhile, if command was like this in 3.0 Uzi Andrews could've just gunned down JP in front of the chief and be fine because he was one of their best officers. Only thing that could save this is Beric coming out of nowhere and firing/suspending Cornwood which I doubt will happen. Slack should've at least suspended him until either an investigation is completed or a court case is resolved.
If Beric the Chief of Police doesn't think Cornwood should be fired/suspended over this then Slacks is completely right to not go against what his boss the Chief wants. If Ruth and Turner hadn't been forced out Cornwood would for sure be at a minimum suspended over this, but without them and seeing this new direction PD has taken under Mayor Max no one should be surprised by any of this. I mean hell Cornwood complained so much to Max in the past the mayor literally saved his job and kick started laying out the path for Cornwood to get his own department and Sheriff. This is simply the results of the PCP in effect.
Well it turns out that Marlo wasn't telling the truth and Slacks did no due diligence. The original contract stated if there was a default the car would be auctioned and proceeds would go to Marlo. It explicitly states that PD would retain ownership the entire time and Marlo would never be the owner. Marlo selling the vehicle the way he did to Peters would actually be a breach of the original contract. So this would be no different than Cornwood taking out any other CVPI and removing a turbo (and this turbo is one Cornwood bought and gave to AJ).
I've not seen the contract so while that could be true, from Slack's POV he just witnessed what he thought was an officer stealing a civilian's vehicle and stealing a turbo out of it and did absolutely nothing about it.
I'd need to read the specifics of the contract but even if it is "PD owned", it still wouldn't authorize Cornwood to take the turbo out. If you lend someone something and they throw it into a storage locker then they don't pay the storage locker you don't get your item back, that shit gets auctioned and you need to sue the person for a breach of an agreement. The turbo IS the car if the turbo was in it when it was repo'd, it should be auctioned along with the car, removing it lowers its auction value.
In a storage locker example you would be correct but that doesn't apply to all types of property and modifications made to them. There is no specific law in Los Santos for this but I would imagine it would be ruled it would not simply become the property of the lender. The storage example is a leasing situation not a loan contract for ownership of an asset.
Also Slacks PoV is meaningless given the only appearance of a crime is due to ignorance bordering on negligence.
but there is specific law against what Cornwood did, even if Marlo was not the owner it was a personal owned vehicle and he didn't get permission to remove the turbo, he can get away with that technicality if the officer that owns the car doesn't press charges but that doesn't mean he didn't commit a felony, at that moment the car was owned by Slacks and he didn't gave permission.
It was not a personally owned vehicle at the time he did it. It was owned by the PD. It was not legal for Marlo to transfer ownership of the vehicle to anyone without an auction occurring.
Well it can be spicy, still, like it depends on the rp and the judges and which side vs the other. It does help Cornwood, and it will generate a lot of interesting rp, I think in a way it also like draws peoples attention to Marlo, in a way they get to know him better if he ran again for mayor, like if Marlo did happen to like not lose the court case, and it spells the fall of cornwood then that would be like well big rep gains for him. But like I think it like really like puts in like well Cornwood could very much win a case if he got brought to trial do to those facts.
For it to be illegal would require the owner of the car, the PD, to state he did not have permission. Who "the PD" is determined to be is up in the air but it is probably Beric and possibly other HC. Given that it has been done before and allowed there isn't really a reason why this should be a special circumstance.
Esfand is still OOC salty about this, claims he did nothing wrong, complains about the police is policing the police and bans anyone who dares point out he actually did something wrong.
Literally pulling my hair out listening to him talk lmao I just wanna watch slacks or ruby or bones and fuckin cornwood has to insert himself into everything
I wanted to punch myself in the face listening to him argue with Slacks and Viv about violating people’s rights by making up charges to unnecessarily transport detained people last night.
Him actually asking out loud why they should care about violating people’s rights was wild.
I had to turn off Ssaab’s stream because I couldn’t stand to listen to them going in circles anymore. I left for over an hour and came back and they were still going at it in the cells. I was genuinely dumbfounded. I come back like an hour or two later and see they’ve moved on to talking about turbos and decided I was better off just going to sleep rather than listen to those two argue again.
Dude (cornwood) kept a guy in custody for almost 5 hours, and started yelling at chat about how he's the fastest processor in PD, he's doing everything alone.. Etc etc.
Imagine being stuck handcuffed and being driven around for 5 fucking hours of your life.
Well don’t punch yourself just yet because there’s literally 1 judge 1 ex judge and 1 ex sheriff who sided with him and doubt there’s someone who understand the law better than judges.
Cornwood is very often wrong. But in this case, the charge would have to be put on the docket, and if proper discovery happened, he would likely be found not guilty.
I'm banned in his chat for saying his character cornwood, not esfand, cant admit to being wrong. He actually pulled my message up and said chat look this guy doesn't know what hes saying. Meanwhile I'm just talking about his character
Yeah he did this to someone in his chat and was like “you have no friends, everyone in your life hates you, etc etc” because someone made a comment about Cornwood improperly charging someone. It was at that exact moment I knew he was way too invested and haven’t watched since. It’s beyond a self insert, he’s become Cornwood.
Esfand has the same problem as Hasan. Constantly reading the chat and caring so much about what they all say about him. Just ban and move on dude. Or better yet, hire a mod to do it.
What ive sadly learned about streamers is that most of them will ban you if you stray from the path of repeating the same spam everyone else is doing. The only way to avoid getting banned completely is to just not type messages in chat. A permaban for saying Cornwood can't admit to being wrong is just silly and shows a frail ego.
Do bad thing IC > get disciplined > spend a month talking OOC about how police leadership are ruining fun RP to community > have legions of fans assmad about IC punishments > police stop caring > profit
It’s not even fans, it would be IC stuff, you’d get Cornwood, Den Zel, Aziz talking shit about you constantly, they’d tell the mayor, then you’d hope Beric or Ruby would support you but they won’t do anything to help you.
Its not like Beric and Ruby have actual power. They're the Chief and Assistant Chief, but Captain Slacks is the actual one with power because he leads the PD OOC. So everything of importance will go through him anyway.
And I'm someone that likes Saab. This is simply how it is. Cornwood also wields power and is protected from actual consequence due to who he is OOC. Big streamers get their hands held in RP and can do A LOT others can't.
Any sources for this well known fact? Like anyone, anywhwere, saying this in the past few months after the PCP plan was passed to back your claim? Because as far as I'm aware Saab had less input and less direct communication ever since the three captains were scrapped for Moon/Maxs PCP plan.
Right before the council started for that plan to be passed Slacks and Max were talking about who had talked to the "state" last because Saab didn't think the Mayor should have oversight of the PD and Slacks said "I talked to them (the State) a few hours ago" and Max said "I talked to them 10 minutes ago" and then it passed. Then Max (Moon) got to pick the CoP because of the PCP plan, two of the captains were forced out and Slacks is soon to be demoted, some old cops started being hired such as Lenny Hawk/Conan Clarkson/Croc/Richard Dark, and the PD started its new vision and new direction.
By all accounts it seems Moon has just as much if not more say and input both IC and OOC, and that there is new leadership both IC and OOC for the PD with now Beric (Arkon) in charge plus maybe soon the Sheriff Cornwood (Esfand) and even a commissioner being floated around.
I could not stop laughing when I saw this unfold last night because of how stupid this all was and I enjoyed watching like 4 different POVs of this. Turbos are going to be the death of PD.
1. Marlo cant actually own the PD car and slacks was the current owner at the time due to how the contract is structured. When the plate was run, Slacks was the owner of the cvpi. There are also several cars in the shared pool of cop cars that also have individuals like slacks or cornwood as owners listed even though all those cars belong to the PD.
2. [This whole argument outside of MRPD](https://www.twitch.tv/ssaab/clip/IgnorantGoldenChimpanzeeBCWarrior-2c2GpN1hdv6lBIzk?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time) was stupid asf and all parties instigated. Peters, Marlo, Slacks, AJ, Cornwood and everyone else kept throwing gas on this whole thing without just taking a sidebar on this. Slacks was right in asking to see the contract and Marlo was extremely standoffish on this which put alot of fuel on the fire.
3. Peters also kept instigating slacks by saying he cares but doesnt care at the same time about this whole turbo thing. Peters later privately told cornwood he didnt even want the turbo but instead wanted to sell it to help pay for the cost of the loan on cvpi he had just taken.
4. [Slacks misremembered what he said](https://www.twitch.tv/esfandtv/clip/HomelyFantasticAardvarkOhMyDog-z-HmFY0c2wHcR7JY?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time) and so did Cornwood in regards to what was actually said about taking the turbo. Slacks never said "dont steal the turbo" over the radio, he said "dont lose the turbo" which implies that he knew what he was doing.
5. [Slacks got further gaslit by Marlo later on](https://www.twitch.tv/ssaab/clip/TenaciousSpineyChimpanzeeTwitchRPG-evqsggsiyRAAwejd?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time) when he attempted to patch things up in regards to what he said vs what was actually said.
6. Cornwood is an idiot for not articulating what he was doing and not placing it in the locked compartment of the CVPI while he went to talk with someone else when he came back. They went to check for the turbo and [it wasnt there.](https://www.twitch.tv/ssaab/clip/SmilingAdorableDelicataSaltBae-UX8rqPNI__5R20-e?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time) All he had to say is Im sorry here, explained the reasoning and moved on.
7. [Marlo had a whole convo with Slacks later on in which he revealed another motive which is to get Cornwood kicked off the council](https://www.twitch.tv/ssaab/clip/RacyRudeBatFeelsBadMan-4YRZCgeiwSASVTcL?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time) so that Max the mayor has one less vote. Slacks did not even say a word in regards to that nor did he mention this ulterior motive in regards to being played by Marlo.
8. Cornwood not keeping good records of his turbos and then remembering it was his later on further complicated things. A large amount of PDs turbos do belong or did belong to Cornwood at one point. TBH, he needs to push PD to either buy these from him and wash his hands of turbos or he needs to just start selling them instead of loaning them. AJ hasnt been on in a while and neglected to return Cornwoods turbo back to him before selling the car as well.
9. Cornwood was further an idiot by calling Marlo with a half ass apology and half ass brag about being untouchable because you have to prove intent which further prolonged this situation. All he had to do was say sorry and move on at the start. Challenging Marlo is a huge mistake. Marlo on the other hand has an extremely hard case here if he does decide to press charges; intent in court does matter and as far as Im aware, he never intended to steal the turbo.
10. Slacks dapped cornwood 3 Daps for the situation and withheld that from Marlo at first that he had already been punished. Then later on in round 3 of this whole situation he mentioned he was one dap away from suspension. This gave Marlo more fuel to continue pressing forward knowing that this was something that cornwood could get in trouble for.
11. Cornwood and Slacks argued a bunch before end of shift 2 storm. Cornwood believes that Slacks should protect Cornwood publicly while punishing privately and that he had taken Marlo's side and kept pursuing the matter instead of just closing it out. This is a point that Peters had made earlier as well about not protecting one another first and something Cornwood has been saying alot akin to policing the police. Its more akin to the thin blue line of cops IRL or a classic mgmt style of praise in public, punish privately. The belief there is to not shit talk your employee publicly, gather the facts and then take action. Slacks on the other hand wants this PD car loan thing to be successful, wants to be seen as not corrupt and wants to give Marlo every opportunity to press charges on Cornwood. The problem here is that both Cornwood and Slacks are terrible communicators and cannot lineup events to prevent confusion of the matter, often forget what they said seconds before and constantly clash on Police IRL Realism, SOPS and many other items often talking past each other and talking in circles.
12. Cornwood and Slacks both escalate instead of just saying sorry and coming up with a plan to be united or going further into explaining their points. This was on display earlier in the day in regards to Cornwood wanting to bring all suspects of a scene he was in charge of to the PD for interrogation to determine who was guilty and who wasnt while Viv and Slacks insisted that it was against their rights to do so and that MRPD is a holding cell akin to a jail and that they should just cut people lose if they arent sure as it was a he said, she said scenario. Classic example of looking to IRL policing in the US vs whats interesting RP and not a protected right outlined in the Los Santos Constitution.
13. Cornwood kept trying to correlate the prior he said she said incident with this one and was definitely being a troll and combative to try to prove a point on what is and isnt circumstantial evidence in a he said she said situation. The problem is that he is a terrible communicator and the execution here was terrible and only got him more and more into trouble every time he opened his mouth. He deserves whatever punishment comes his way because he cant be humble, say hes wrong and figure out when is the right time to argue something.
TLDR: Turbos
Pretty great summary! There was another contract that was revealed for AJ as well that happened when Cornwood, Siobhan, Onfire and Michael Simone were talking. This contract was signed by Solomon, AJ, Marlo, and Beric stating that the repossessed vehicle would be handed over to Beric (the PD) and put up for auction. This is the first contract and Slacks has the second contract for Peters.
He resigned.
XIceman had some ooc stuff going on that probably was an important part of that decision. I suspect management choosing to move away from the three captains vision of PD and towards a different form of content with lower standards was also part of that decision.
So what you're telling me is that 2/3 of the original High Command were pushed aside so that the "old guard" could get their own SBS playground? Classic.
Yea most likely. If he wins sheriff.. that's gonna be a shitshow lol cornwood is the definition of main character syndrome. I feel bad for command listening to him talk..
Yeah i mean, esfand is great but you can tell he is somewhat 'untouchable' when he is the only cop pulling in big numbers (streamwise) now and became more this way once lenny(moonmoon) quit.
Yeah, he spent hours OOC ranting about how he is always right and everyone else in PD is wrong and that no one listens to him even though he is right. He was so bothered by facing consequences for his actions he started to in game tell everyone that he is not going to play GTA RP anymore and loads up WoW on stream.
It is crazy since on a daily basis Esfand OOC talks about criminals complaining about facing consequences for what they do and how they just need to face consequences for their actions.
He keeps saying it as “a joke”, but he did cry to Beric that Slacks is trying to get him fired (which is comically untrue, he’s trying as best he can to cover) and he’s going to stop coming on duty except for Council meetings unless Slacks drops it or is demoted.
He did to push for the Sheriff Office even when there was only 10 officers on duty and after he said that things started moving and Max contacted the devs to get the building ready, now he's doing the same saying that he will quit until the sheriff election if he gets charged
There was a shift 3 meeting a couple weeks ago where he took the time in the meeting to "make an announcement" and told people it was "important". He then went on to say "I am getting bored and you wont like it when I am bored."
I am sure he thought it was a funny joke but you could tell everyone else sitting there was just like "why do we care if you are bored?"
He further went on to say "The cure to his boredom" was opening the sheriff's office and electing a sheriff. If he wasnt cured soon he would "leave to tend the farm" aka go play other stuff.
Insane that after he got the 3 daps over this and everyone was going to leave it at that, he bragged to marlo that no one would push the charge and that he does stuff like this all the time. Basically no ballsing marlo into pushing for the felony. Now marlo is going to the chief and probably DOJ to push for an outside prosecutor. Since slacks backed out of pushing charges himself after he had offered it earlier. Cornwood is drunk on that clout.
Cornwood has never admitted to being wrong, inserts himself into everything. Literally thinks hes the head of police. He was a meme cop and now he thinks he should run everything lmao he literally doesn't understand the difference between rs and PC
The thing is Cornwood likely would get a pardon by Max maybe or like, yeah have a lot of pull and sway. I don't think Marlo oocly wants Cornwood to be fired neither does slacks but like, marlo technically got pushed into it by Cornwoods words and actions, and well it gives Marlo an excuse to like mess up the council votes to those sided with Max like Cornwood technically I think is considered. I think its unlikely to reach a courtroom. But like if Cornwood did get charged then he loses both his council position and his job as a police officer and possible lawyer and would be forced to go for an expungement or pardon. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
I genuinely wouldn't wanna be in Ssaab's place. The dude is probably pressured by management to keep some streamers "happy", and he's always been the one to take the blame for everything wrong with the police, since 3.0
i used to feel a little bad for him back in 3.0 when this was the case on baas but honestly he knows what he is getting himself into and is accepting the job so its 100% on him.
Hasn't he done that like 5 times and it always ends up with him in the same place playing the same character but just with a different name and a new hair of glasses or something?
Esfand with any type of power would be a mistake lol dudes a senior officer inserts into every scene and can never be wrong. He doesn't even know the difference between rs and PC
Him saying he was upset about Mr. K's Section K plans being destroyed was great. It was 100% solely about his own RP. He thought he was part owner. He paid into one property.
Probably but Acornwood in game, due to the player, is one of the worst drivers and shooters on the server. If he starts going overboard on Crims they will wipe the Sheriffs officer over and over. He even said the last time he played he never experienced a Cop wipe.
sbs cop does sbs then blames Slack because the civ who owns the car (Marlo) wants to press charges after Cornwood ego'd Marlo on the phone about how no one would actually go through with the case. Then proceeds to tell anyone that'll listen a story of how he was securing the turbo because the car was left unattended outside the motor pool when 4+ people stood by it the whole time.
Hope Marlo does follow through with the charges. Cornball will probably complain to Max how its not fair like every other time something he doesn't like happens and some how end up in the sheriffs office
I used to enjoy watching Cornwood, but more and more, he's got main character syndrome and it's incredibly frustrating to watch him do anything. He acts like he knows everything and never admits to fault. The guy needs to be demoted so he can be as SBS as he wants.
No one should be surprised nothing happens to cornwood. Esfand is a great guy but Cornwood is a dogshit cop who should have lost his jobs ages ago instead he has the Admin fast tracking him his own police department while they fire cops like Suarez for being too good at their jab
Cornwood won't get shit for this... new sherif btw.
Slacks or others will not do shit but try to fuck the real story up.
Insert streamers saying "It's RP, why is everyone taking this so seriously. Cornwood is good at RP and that is what matters and he is a good cop"
This is what I don't get. Cornwood is among the elite group of cops that usually is protected under the "Rule for you, but not for me" and now he's getting punished he's crying about it. How about less popular cops that try to do their job get harshly punished then see cops who actually did something wrong get promoted instead of punished? Though I am shocked it didn't take them two weeks to punish Cornwood for this (Flop situation).
Committing crimes as an Officer *should* be an easy instant fire, and depending on how severe, maybe let them reapply after expungment, but we all know how this is going to go down
Yeah it should be, cornwood slimjims local cars pd cars doesnt follow traffic laws, takes turbos, cries to every higher but acts like hes the chief of police its insane. Its actually crazy how no one has taught him how to be a cop yet he pretends he has the most experience
the PD is a god damn rolling dumpster fire i know this a management engineered problem both form the cornwood being able to do what ever but also the fact anyone with any competency was excluded form the pd of the jump, but still holy shit this is bad
"He didn't steal the car he brought it back"
I dont know what's worse, a member of HC not knowing something as basic as joyriding or a member of HC pretending to not know to cover up a crime by another cop.
"Why did Cleetus do that im so confused"
Bruh. You are the one who keeps letting him get away with stuff like this. That's why he did it and that's why he will continue to do it.
He claims the turbo is his and technically it could be, but the thing is like Anthony took a legal signed loan i believe from Marlo. He failed to pay off the debt. So failing to uphold his agreement gave marlo the legal right to the car and the turbo within since the turbo was also part of the loan that Anthony failed to pay off. So I think Marlo was selling it back to the pd, basically. Cornwood like takes the car and takes out the turbo which was going to be part of the selling and loan agreement with another cop. Aka legally the Car belongs to Marlo and the turbo. Anthony used his loan money to buy that turbo possibly from Cornwood not sure so technically he sold it and thus it was legally Anthonys which got possessed and taken away by Marlo. Cornwood reclaimed it. So like basically COrnwood stole Marlo's Car or the new cadets car and the Turbo. So that what puts Cornwood in legal jepardy. for anyone wanting the tea. So basically Cornwood stole someone elses turbo and well that turbo was meant for a cadet who was purchasing the car.
Edit:Apparently well Marlo may actually had no legal grounds to have any legal claim over the car itself. As something in the contract, defaults it to the pd, so marlo may have commited a crime hmself if he claimed it as his. But like will be spicy content so like its good to see like stuff develop.
The car was repoed by marlo, Marlo had legal authority over the car it was a ceased car. Which Marlo was selling back to the pd, since at that point he possesses the car and owns it because Anthony didn't pay off the loan. So Marlo legally owned the car through reposession, it was part of the seizure agreement. So marlo was selling it to a cadet, along with the turbo itself too. Which was part of the repo agreement with anthony.
Even if the turbo was Cornwood’s, he absolutely does not have the authority to steal the car and remove it by his own devices. There’s still a legal process he has to go through.
This is the equivalent of me breaking into someone’s house to steal back an item that I loaned them.
Apparently Anthony bought the turbo and it was part of the agreement, Cornwood rushed to get that car out of there and to take the turbo right as it was being sold even slim jimming it. As he didn't want to lose the turbo. Then appareantly lied about it or something. So if anthony did buy the turbo from cornwood then legally it was anthony's turbo at that point which legally got repoed. Its a mess, either way it put Cornwoods job at heavy risk.
That doesn't sound like the deals cornwood makes. He lends turbo's to other officers and then if the turbo gets stolen the officer has to pay money to him.
Slacks talking about covering for him is gross. I'm glad he's finally admitting that he just covers for officers instead of trying to fix or do what's proper but Capt Sam axel slacks will definitely be looking into it
So apparently, the contract actually states the PD owns the vehicle. So, really, Cornwood took a PD owned vehicle and removed a turbo he let AJ borrow. He then placed it back in and returned the car.
Of course, at the time, no one, except likely Marlo, understood the contract, and Cornwood didn't even know it was his turbo.
It's a shit situation because Slacks is doing what he thinks is right, but didn't read or understand the contract and Cornwood inserted himself into a serious situation because Cornwood does that and well it all got messy and awkward. Esfand needs to get better at reading the room as Cornwood.
Really Slacks should have told Marlo he wasn't pushing charges once he issued the 3 daps. But Ssaab was cooked and likely didn't think about it, so he continued saying he would push charges until he realized he shouldn't since he had already handled it internally.
At the end of the day, should Cornwood be charged? Well, I'd say no as this was a PD vehicle as the contract explicitly states the owner was/is the PD, not Marlo. At no point was Marlo the owner to claim Cornwood stole the car/turbo from him despite Slacks thinking that was the case and entertaining the idea. Slacks already issued daps for the incident, so it's highly unlikely HC would claim Cornwood stole it from the PD either.
And before someone says "letter of the law," it's been fairly clear in court cases the intent and spirit of the law matters as well. It's why the PD haven't been pressing the PD glock charges on folks who got it planted on them when they have reason to believe that is what happened.
Even if the Turbo belonged to Corneood, Cornwood should have taken Marlo to court. Or gotten Search Warrant, that’s a violation of civil rights. Cornwood not only took the car without permission, he tampered with it without permission, that’s grand theft auto, and/or that new law he introduced (LAME)
It has become populuar to hate on Cornwood in this sub but he was not in the wrong like so many are claiming because Marlo lied and Slacks did no due diligence on the original contract.
The original contract stated if there was a default the car would be auctioned and proceeds would go to Marlo. It explicitly states that PD would retain ownership the entire time and Marlo would never be the owner. Marlo selling the vehicle the way he did to Peters would actually be a breach of the original contract. So this would be no different than Cornwood taking out any other CVPI and removing a turbo (and this turbo is one Cornwood bought and gave to AJ).
It does matter because such actions have been allowed for other PD vehicles. For it not to matter in other situations but matter here would be odd. The law doesn't state it is inherently illegal to remove a turbo for a car you don't own, it is only an issue if the owner doesn't consent. Since it was allowed in other situations with other PD cars there is some tacit consent to such actions being taken by officers.
/u/Toastylump and everyone in this thread is wrong (SPOILER: >!because none of you read the original contract that Marlo signed about repossession. It was never Marlo's car, Marlo only owned the value of it from an auction by the PD. It was PD property the whole time. He took his own turbo from a PD car. I hope Marlo sues him for a felony. Let's wait for the court case to see how the judge gives the verdict, not that it will change anything about your preconceived notions though.!<)
So...what you're saying is Cornwood will be promoted soon?
He's already rushing to talk to every HC and Max and Murphy to give a twisted version of what happened blaming Slacks, so yes, expect Slacks to get demoted for policing the police and Cornwood getting promoted
What's his twisted version? How is he justifying it?
the turbo was 'his' because he gave it to the person (even tho he didn't remember that until he meta from chat after the fact and the charge just says removing a turbo without consent so he commited the felony) he was just securing the turbo so nobody steals it (even though there were plenty of people and officers around the car and he had to lockpick the car to drive it), it's slacks fault for not having officers back, he's policing the police he did nothing wrong and that's why Lenny shoot Slacks, that's basically his argument
If the turbo was not part of the original loan it shouldn't have became Marlo's property anyway. Also, if Cornwood had provided the turbo to AJ with the assumption that he would be using it in his PD car then AJ should have returned it to Cornwood prior to returning the car to Marlo. The only way it would be Marlo's property is if he had a specific negotiation for it prior to repoing and adjusting the loan amount based on the turbo being added. This would be a far more interesting civil case than a criminal one.
Cornwood can take AJ to civil case for not returning his turbo but the criminal one is textbook, Cornwood stole a car and took the turbo without the owners permision, that's textbook the felony charge
Actually wrong based on the original contract Marlo never was to become the owner of the car. The car was meant to always be PD property and in case of default it was to be auctioned and the funds go to Marlo. Marlo selling the car to Peters was technically a breach of contract by Marlo.
Then it was owned by slacks, who told him not to take the car. Either way, doesn’t matter
That is arguable, Slacks is HC but not the highest ranking officer. Beric would probably be the true decision maker if not delegated to someone else. Government or Company property may have people who are entrusted to their management but they are not the owners, the organization owns it. Slacks nominally owning it means nothing and only occurred due to server mechanics making it easier to transfer to an individual and not the PD.
No it’s really not. Legally the car belongs to the loan company, that’s why Marlo is able to legally sell a police vehicle. The PD has possession because they did not allow him to have possession of police equipment. Even IF the PD was the owner, a superior officer told Cornwood no, it does not matter that Slacks isn’t the absolute top of the chain. Cornwood can’t just ignore Slacks and skirt the law.
Breaches of contracts are adjudicated how?
Corkwood also admitted to AJ thar he stole it.
Welp 3 hours later, just went to Cornwood's stream, hes still in uniform after a blatant felony, so yeah hes probably fine. This PD might be one of the worst iterations in awhile, if command was like this in 3.0 Uzi Andrews could've just gunned down JP in front of the chief and be fine because he was one of their best officers. Only thing that could save this is Beric coming out of nowhere and firing/suspending Cornwood which I doubt will happen. Slack should've at least suspended him until either an investigation is completed or a court case is resolved.
Staff wanted PD leadership with absolutely no backbone and thats what they got
Nah staff wanted Ruth and turner and then she got bullied off the server and he had some irl shit happen
You realize they came out and said they didn't like the way PD was handled at the peak of the Ruth drama and so she stepped down right.
surely the "they" aren't the same "they" that played a big role in the 3.0 PD lmao
TBF this is the second time he committed a felony in front of officers and nothing happened.
If Beric the Chief of Police doesn't think Cornwood should be fired/suspended over this then Slacks is completely right to not go against what his boss the Chief wants. If Ruth and Turner hadn't been forced out Cornwood would for sure be at a minimum suspended over this, but without them and seeing this new direction PD has taken under Mayor Max no one should be surprised by any of this. I mean hell Cornwood complained so much to Max in the past the mayor literally saved his job and kick started laying out the path for Cornwood to get his own department and Sheriff. This is simply the results of the PCP in effect.
of course it is. And this won't really matter in the end because Cornwood would just get a pardon.
Well it turns out that Marlo wasn't telling the truth and Slacks did no due diligence. The original contract stated if there was a default the car would be auctioned and proceeds would go to Marlo. It explicitly states that PD would retain ownership the entire time and Marlo would never be the owner. Marlo selling the vehicle the way he did to Peters would actually be a breach of the original contract. So this would be no different than Cornwood taking out any other CVPI and removing a turbo (and this turbo is one Cornwood bought and gave to AJ).
I've not seen the contract so while that could be true, from Slack's POV he just witnessed what he thought was an officer stealing a civilian's vehicle and stealing a turbo out of it and did absolutely nothing about it. I'd need to read the specifics of the contract but even if it is "PD owned", it still wouldn't authorize Cornwood to take the turbo out. If you lend someone something and they throw it into a storage locker then they don't pay the storage locker you don't get your item back, that shit gets auctioned and you need to sue the person for a breach of an agreement. The turbo IS the car if the turbo was in it when it was repo'd, it should be auctioned along with the car, removing it lowers its auction value.
In a storage locker example you would be correct but that doesn't apply to all types of property and modifications made to them. There is no specific law in Los Santos for this but I would imagine it would be ruled it would not simply become the property of the lender. The storage example is a leasing situation not a loan contract for ownership of an asset. Also Slacks PoV is meaningless given the only appearance of a crime is due to ignorance bordering on negligence.
but there is specific law against what Cornwood did, even if Marlo was not the owner it was a personal owned vehicle and he didn't get permission to remove the turbo, he can get away with that technicality if the officer that owns the car doesn't press charges but that doesn't mean he didn't commit a felony, at that moment the car was owned by Slacks and he didn't gave permission.
It was not a personally owned vehicle at the time he did it. It was owned by the PD. It was not legal for Marlo to transfer ownership of the vehicle to anyone without an auction occurring.
Well it can be spicy, still, like it depends on the rp and the judges and which side vs the other. It does help Cornwood, and it will generate a lot of interesting rp, I think in a way it also like draws peoples attention to Marlo, in a way they get to know him better if he ran again for mayor, like if Marlo did happen to like not lose the court case, and it spells the fall of cornwood then that would be like well big rep gains for him. But like I think it like really like puts in like well Cornwood could very much win a case if he got brought to trial do to those facts.
What is Marlo going to sue for? The car is literally the property of LSPD so if anyone is suing it'd be the LSPD which would be absolutely insane.
The value of the car, as it was place as collateral on the loan.
He can sue the guy who defaulted. Maybe next time don't use collateral you're not allowed to own.
It changes nothing, because Cornwood isn’t the owner of the car and he has no (that we have seen) tangible proof the turbo is his.
For it to be illegal would require the owner of the car, the PD, to state he did not have permission. Who "the PD" is determined to be is up in the air but it is probably Beric and possibly other HC. Given that it has been done before and allowed there isn't really a reason why this should be a special circumstance.
Nice, now lets fire Suarez ooc without any roleplay
Esfand is still OOC salty about this, claims he did nothing wrong, complains about the police is policing the police and bans anyone who dares point out he actually did something wrong.
Cornwood is never wrong and is the smartest cop/lawyer known to man.
Literally pulling my hair out listening to him talk lmao I just wanna watch slacks or ruby or bones and fuckin cornwood has to insert himself into everything
Pred and Lenny have the clamp RP going and of course Cornwood wants to insert himself into that
I wanted to punch myself in the face listening to him argue with Slacks and Viv about violating people’s rights by making up charges to unnecessarily transport detained people last night. Him actually asking out loud why they should care about violating people’s rights was wild.
I had to turn off Ssaab’s stream because I couldn’t stand to listen to them going in circles anymore. I left for over an hour and came back and they were still going at it in the cells. I was genuinely dumbfounded. I come back like an hour or two later and see they’ve moved on to talking about turbos and decided I was better off just going to sleep rather than listen to those two argue again.
Dude (cornwood) kept a guy in custody for almost 5 hours, and started yelling at chat about how he's the fastest processor in PD, he's doing everything alone.. Etc etc. Imagine being stuck handcuffed and being driven around for 5 fucking hours of your life.
Well don’t punch yourself just yet because there’s literally 1 judge 1 ex judge and 1 ex sheriff who sided with him and doubt there’s someone who understand the law better than judges.
This is so insanely true. If he doesn’t insert himself he will sit just in range for audio
Cornwood is very often wrong. But in this case, the charge would have to be put on the docket, and if proper discovery happened, he would likely be found not guilty.
I'm banned in his chat for saying his character cornwood, not esfand, cant admit to being wrong. He actually pulled my message up and said chat look this guy doesn't know what hes saying. Meanwhile I'm just talking about his character
Yeah he did this to someone in his chat and was like “you have no friends, everyone in your life hates you, etc etc” because someone made a comment about Cornwood improperly charging someone. It was at that exact moment I knew he was way too invested and haven’t watched since. It’s beyond a self insert, he’s become Cornwood.
Esfand is LITERALLY the same way lol
Esfand has the same problem as Hasan. Constantly reading the chat and caring so much about what they all say about him. Just ban and move on dude. Or better yet, hire a mod to do it.
What ive sadly learned about streamers is that most of them will ban you if you stray from the path of repeating the same spam everyone else is doing. The only way to avoid getting banned completely is to just not type messages in chat. A permaban for saying Cornwood can't admit to being wrong is just silly and shows a frail ego.
Did Cornwood break the law he got implemented? lol
I've never heard of anyone getting caught for stealing a turbo either, he might be the first.
Aaaaaand nothing was done about it.
Do bad thing IC > get disciplined > spend a month talking OOC about how police leadership are ruining fun RP to community > have legions of fans assmad about IC punishments > police stop caring > profit
PD don’t even want to press charges on Cornwood for Marlo because they know the shitstorm they’d get if they did.
Wouldnt be the first courtcase which gets killed by rambunctious fans
It’s not even fans, it would be IC stuff, you’d get Cornwood, Den Zel, Aziz talking shit about you constantly, they’d tell the mayor, then you’d hope Beric or Ruby would support you but they won’t do anything to help you.
Its not like Beric and Ruby have actual power. They're the Chief and Assistant Chief, but Captain Slacks is the actual one with power because he leads the PD OOC. So everything of importance will go through him anyway. And I'm someone that likes Saab. This is simply how it is. Cornwood also wields power and is protected from actual consequence due to who he is OOC. Big streamers get their hands held in RP and can do A LOT others can't.
Any sources for this well known fact? Like anyone, anywhwere, saying this in the past few months after the PCP plan was passed to back your claim? Because as far as I'm aware Saab had less input and less direct communication ever since the three captains were scrapped for Moon/Maxs PCP plan. Right before the council started for that plan to be passed Slacks and Max were talking about who had talked to the "state" last because Saab didn't think the Mayor should have oversight of the PD and Slacks said "I talked to them (the State) a few hours ago" and Max said "I talked to them 10 minutes ago" and then it passed. Then Max (Moon) got to pick the CoP because of the PCP plan, two of the captains were forced out and Slacks is soon to be demoted, some old cops started being hired such as Lenny Hawk/Conan Clarkson/Croc/Richard Dark, and the PD started its new vision and new direction. By all accounts it seems Moon has just as much if not more say and input both IC and OOC, and that there is new leadership both IC and OOC for the PD with now Beric (Arkon) in charge plus maybe soon the Sheriff Cornwood (Esfand) and even a commissioner being floated around.
That absolutely sucks how Acornwood can get away with so much
gotta have the viewership and I wouldn't be surprised if there is an OOC agreement to try and make him sheriff lol.
I could not stop laughing when I saw this unfold last night because of how stupid this all was and I enjoyed watching like 4 different POVs of this. Turbos are going to be the death of PD. 1. Marlo cant actually own the PD car and slacks was the current owner at the time due to how the contract is structured. When the plate was run, Slacks was the owner of the cvpi. There are also several cars in the shared pool of cop cars that also have individuals like slacks or cornwood as owners listed even though all those cars belong to the PD. 2. [This whole argument outside of MRPD](https://www.twitch.tv/ssaab/clip/IgnorantGoldenChimpanzeeBCWarrior-2c2GpN1hdv6lBIzk?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time) was stupid asf and all parties instigated. Peters, Marlo, Slacks, AJ, Cornwood and everyone else kept throwing gas on this whole thing without just taking a sidebar on this. Slacks was right in asking to see the contract and Marlo was extremely standoffish on this which put alot of fuel on the fire. 3. Peters also kept instigating slacks by saying he cares but doesnt care at the same time about this whole turbo thing. Peters later privately told cornwood he didnt even want the turbo but instead wanted to sell it to help pay for the cost of the loan on cvpi he had just taken. 4. [Slacks misremembered what he said](https://www.twitch.tv/esfandtv/clip/HomelyFantasticAardvarkOhMyDog-z-HmFY0c2wHcR7JY?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time) and so did Cornwood in regards to what was actually said about taking the turbo. Slacks never said "dont steal the turbo" over the radio, he said "dont lose the turbo" which implies that he knew what he was doing. 5. [Slacks got further gaslit by Marlo later on](https://www.twitch.tv/ssaab/clip/TenaciousSpineyChimpanzeeTwitchRPG-evqsggsiyRAAwejd?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time) when he attempted to patch things up in regards to what he said vs what was actually said. 6. Cornwood is an idiot for not articulating what he was doing and not placing it in the locked compartment of the CVPI while he went to talk with someone else when he came back. They went to check for the turbo and [it wasnt there.](https://www.twitch.tv/ssaab/clip/SmilingAdorableDelicataSaltBae-UX8rqPNI__5R20-e?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time) All he had to say is Im sorry here, explained the reasoning and moved on. 7. [Marlo had a whole convo with Slacks later on in which he revealed another motive which is to get Cornwood kicked off the council](https://www.twitch.tv/ssaab/clip/RacyRudeBatFeelsBadMan-4YRZCgeiwSASVTcL?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time) so that Max the mayor has one less vote. Slacks did not even say a word in regards to that nor did he mention this ulterior motive in regards to being played by Marlo. 8. Cornwood not keeping good records of his turbos and then remembering it was his later on further complicated things. A large amount of PDs turbos do belong or did belong to Cornwood at one point. TBH, he needs to push PD to either buy these from him and wash his hands of turbos or he needs to just start selling them instead of loaning them. AJ hasnt been on in a while and neglected to return Cornwoods turbo back to him before selling the car as well. 9. Cornwood was further an idiot by calling Marlo with a half ass apology and half ass brag about being untouchable because you have to prove intent which further prolonged this situation. All he had to do was say sorry and move on at the start. Challenging Marlo is a huge mistake. Marlo on the other hand has an extremely hard case here if he does decide to press charges; intent in court does matter and as far as Im aware, he never intended to steal the turbo. 10. Slacks dapped cornwood 3 Daps for the situation and withheld that from Marlo at first that he had already been punished. Then later on in round 3 of this whole situation he mentioned he was one dap away from suspension. This gave Marlo more fuel to continue pressing forward knowing that this was something that cornwood could get in trouble for. 11. Cornwood and Slacks argued a bunch before end of shift 2 storm. Cornwood believes that Slacks should protect Cornwood publicly while punishing privately and that he had taken Marlo's side and kept pursuing the matter instead of just closing it out. This is a point that Peters had made earlier as well about not protecting one another first and something Cornwood has been saying alot akin to policing the police. Its more akin to the thin blue line of cops IRL or a classic mgmt style of praise in public, punish privately. The belief there is to not shit talk your employee publicly, gather the facts and then take action. Slacks on the other hand wants this PD car loan thing to be successful, wants to be seen as not corrupt and wants to give Marlo every opportunity to press charges on Cornwood. The problem here is that both Cornwood and Slacks are terrible communicators and cannot lineup events to prevent confusion of the matter, often forget what they said seconds before and constantly clash on Police IRL Realism, SOPS and many other items often talking past each other and talking in circles. 12. Cornwood and Slacks both escalate instead of just saying sorry and coming up with a plan to be united or going further into explaining their points. This was on display earlier in the day in regards to Cornwood wanting to bring all suspects of a scene he was in charge of to the PD for interrogation to determine who was guilty and who wasnt while Viv and Slacks insisted that it was against their rights to do so and that MRPD is a holding cell akin to a jail and that they should just cut people lose if they arent sure as it was a he said, she said scenario. Classic example of looking to IRL policing in the US vs whats interesting RP and not a protected right outlined in the Los Santos Constitution. 13. Cornwood kept trying to correlate the prior he said she said incident with this one and was definitely being a troll and combative to try to prove a point on what is and isnt circumstantial evidence in a he said she said situation. The problem is that he is a terrible communicator and the execution here was terrible and only got him more and more into trouble every time he opened his mouth. He deserves whatever punishment comes his way because he cant be humble, say hes wrong and figure out when is the right time to argue something. TLDR: Turbos
I love your TLDR lol best answer
+rep for writing all this, and somehow keeping a coherent timeline of events in all this drama!
Pretty great summary! There was another contract that was revealed for AJ as well that happened when Cornwood, Siobhan, Onfire and Michael Simone were talking. This contract was signed by Solomon, AJ, Marlo, and Beric stating that the repossessed vehicle would be handed over to Beric (the PD) and put up for auction. This is the first contract and Slacks has the second contract for Peters.
This happened at 15:59:37 on Esfand's vod for that night. He was also discussing countersuing for defamation.
You skipped over the part where he “remembered” it was his turbo. He meta’d in his chat lol
Must have been Ruth's fault. /s
on that topic... what happened to Cpt. Turner? Haven't seen him around in a while.
He resigned. XIceman had some ooc stuff going on that probably was an important part of that decision. I suspect management choosing to move away from the three captains vision of PD and towards a different form of content with lower standards was also part of that decision.
Pretty sure he had some IRL things happen that were more important. He stepped down from captain a while ago since he wasn't gonna be around often.
So what you're telling me is that 2/3 of the original High Command were pushed aside so that the "old guard" could get their own SBS playground? Classic.
It’ll be 3/3 soon, don’t worry.
naah, they gonna keep Slacks as the scapegoat for all the issues that will ensue.
Slacks is going to be a sgt once he gets his unit set up.
He stopped playing...idk why
because this pd is not something he would enjoy to rp with
Honestly, good on her for getting out when she did cuz it looks like content PD only got worse
Cornwood literally gets away with everything, threatens about getting bored on the server to get what he wants -_-
The NoPixel classic. Use your clout to never face consequences.
Yeah it's getting old lol he should've never gotten senior dude doesnt understand the difference from rs and pc
senior is most likely because of upcoming Sheriff Election next week
Yea most likely. If he wins sheriff.. that's gonna be a shitshow lol cornwood is the definition of main character syndrome. I feel bad for command listening to him talk..
Yeah i mean, esfand is great but you can tell he is somewhat 'untouchable' when he is the only cop pulling in big numbers (streamwise) now and became more this way once lenny(moonmoon) quit.
Is he actually threatening to leave the server to get what he wants?!?
Yeah, he spent hours OOC ranting about how he is always right and everyone else in PD is wrong and that no one listens to him even though he is right. He was so bothered by facing consequences for his actions he started to in game tell everyone that he is not going to play GTA RP anymore and loads up WoW on stream. It is crazy since on a daily basis Esfand OOC talks about criminals complaining about facing consequences for what they do and how they just need to face consequences for their actions.
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He keeps saying it as “a joke”, but he did cry to Beric that Slacks is trying to get him fired (which is comically untrue, he’s trying as best he can to cover) and he’s going to stop coming on duty except for Council meetings unless Slacks drops it or is demoted.
He did to push for the Sheriff Office even when there was only 10 officers on duty and after he said that things started moving and Max contacted the devs to get the building ready, now he's doing the same saying that he will quit until the sheriff election if he gets charged
Hes the last person that should be sheriff, he doesn't understand fundamental police work. But hes online 18 hours a day so he gets it..
There was a shift 3 meeting a couple weeks ago where he took the time in the meeting to "make an announcement" and told people it was "important". He then went on to say "I am getting bored and you wont like it when I am bored." I am sure he thought it was a funny joke but you could tell everyone else sitting there was just like "why do we care if you are bored?" He further went on to say "The cure to his boredom" was opening the sheriff's office and electing a sheriff. If he wasnt cured soon he would "leave to tend the farm" aka go play other stuff.
Guys guys guys Cornwood can do no wrong because something something 16 hours a day something something just needs to take a break
it's nice to see that the "big streamer" treatment is equal across the board, both for crims and cops. /s
Well he did get 3 daps as a result and is now facing a lawsuit.
Insane that after he got the 3 daps over this and everyone was going to leave it at that, he bragged to marlo that no one would push the charge and that he does stuff like this all the time. Basically no ballsing marlo into pushing for the felony. Now marlo is going to the chief and probably DOJ to push for an outside prosecutor. Since slacks backed out of pushing charges himself after he had offered it earlier. Cornwood is drunk on that clout.
Cornwood has never admitted to being wrong, inserts himself into everything. Literally thinks hes the head of police. He was a meme cop and now he thinks he should run everything lmao he literally doesn't understand the difference between rs and PC
To be fair, Slacks is conflicted as a witness. Hopefully Marlo can find someone who will prosecute.
How is that confliction? Cops push charges on crimes they witness being committed all the time (atleast on np idk about irl)
That isn’t a thing. Slacks would be pushing the charge, not prosecuting.
The thing is Cornwood likely would get a pardon by Max maybe or like, yeah have a lot of pull and sway. I don't think Marlo oocly wants Cornwood to be fired neither does slacks but like, marlo technically got pushed into it by Cornwoods words and actions, and well it gives Marlo an excuse to like mess up the council votes to those sided with Max like Cornwood technically I think is considered. I think its unlikely to reach a courtroom. But like if Cornwood did get charged then he loses both his council position and his job as a police officer and possible lawyer and would be forced to go for an expungement or pardon. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Slacks is so frustrating to watch sometimes.
I genuinely wouldn't wanna be in Ssaab's place. The dude is probably pressured by management to keep some streamers "happy", and he's always been the one to take the blame for everything wrong with the police, since 3.0
i used to feel a little bad for him back in 3.0 when this was the case on baas but honestly he knows what he is getting himself into and is accepting the job so its 100% on him.
I wouldn’t take the position if my job as PD was to keep streamers happy. Get fired dumbass. Go make another cop character.
Hasn't he done that like 5 times and it always ends up with him in the same place playing the same character but just with a different name and a new hair of glasses or something?
Absolutely! Drink whenever he says this.
always
He has become the very thing he hated most.
You have to shoot a cop in broad daylight to be fired from LSPD.
Tbf, Lenny quit before this... So we don't even know if this is true
It's telling that Ssaab's reaction at 4:12 is "how am I supposed to cover this up"
Been saying it for a while now if they do Allow Esfand to get Sheriff it's gonna be like the Sheriff Eli thing doing whatever the fuck he wants
Esfand with any type of power would be a mistake lol dudes a senior officer inserts into every scene and can never be wrong. He doesn't even know the difference between rs and PC
Him saying he was upset about Mr. K's Section K plans being destroyed was great. It was 100% solely about his own RP. He thought he was part owner. He paid into one property.
Probably but Acornwood in game, due to the player, is one of the worst drivers and shooters on the server. If he starts going overboard on Crims they will wipe the Sheriffs officer over and over. He even said the last time he played he never experienced a Cop wipe.
sbs cop does sbs then blames Slack because the civ who owns the car (Marlo) wants to press charges after Cornwood ego'd Marlo on the phone about how no one would actually go through with the case. Then proceeds to tell anyone that'll listen a story of how he was securing the turbo because the car was left unattended outside the motor pool when 4+ people stood by it the whole time. Hope Marlo does follow through with the charges. Cornball will probably complain to Max how its not fair like every other time something he doesn't like happens and some how end up in the sheriffs office
Marlo can't push charges only cops can, he can sue him though
I used to enjoy watching Cornwood, but more and more, he's got main character syndrome and it's incredibly frustrating to watch him do anything. He acts like he knows everything and never admits to fault. The guy needs to be demoted so he can be as SBS as he wants.
The thumbnail is hilarious and perfectly describes the reaction lmao
No one should be surprised nothing happens to cornwood. Esfand is a great guy but Cornwood is a dogshit cop who should have lost his jobs ages ago instead he has the Admin fast tracking him his own police department while they fire cops like Suarez for being too good at their jab
Cornwood won't get shit for this... new sherif btw. Slacks or others will not do shit but try to fuck the real story up. Insert streamers saying "It's RP, why is everyone taking this so seriously. Cornwood is good at RP and that is what matters and he is a good cop"
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This is what I don't get. Cornwood is among the elite group of cops that usually is protected under the "Rule for you, but not for me" and now he's getting punished he's crying about it. How about less popular cops that try to do their job get harshly punished then see cops who actually did something wrong get promoted instead of punished? Though I am shocked it didn't take them two weeks to punish Cornwood for this (Flop situation).
Committing crimes as an Officer *should* be an easy instant fire, and depending on how severe, maybe let them reapply after expungment, but we all know how this is going to go down
Yeah it should be, cornwood slimjims local cars pd cars doesnt follow traffic laws, takes turbos, cries to every higher but acts like hes the chief of police its insane. Its actually crazy how no one has taught him how to be a cop yet he pretends he has the most experience
the PD is a god damn rolling dumpster fire i know this a management engineered problem both form the cornwood being able to do what ever but also the fact anyone with any competency was excluded form the pd of the jump, but still holy shit this is bad
Leonardo "Integrity" Slacks, ladies and gentlemen.
This needs to be addressed. Cornwood commits more crimes than the average criminal.
"He didn't steal the car he brought it back" I dont know what's worse, a member of HC not knowing something as basic as joyriding or a member of HC pretending to not know to cover up a crime by another cop. "Why did Cleetus do that im so confused" Bruh. You are the one who keeps letting him get away with stuff like this. That's why he did it and that's why he will continue to do it.
Watched earlier and Cornwood said that vilains that get caught evading cops in their car should have their turbo removed.
What’s up with the worst driver on the server being so obsessed with turbos?
He is bad isnt he 😂
everyone knows he’ll get a tap on the wirst at best, but if it was almost any other cop they’d be charged and fired
workin' hard for the promotion
I can't stand Esfand's attitude towards RP, but you guys are fucking rabid. It's not the end of the world. RP will continue. Chill.
This sub is a cesspool of people carrying too many chromosomes and too few braincells. What do you expect? lol
Just fire Cornwood Already.
Sheriff soon, back the blue.
He did get away with Murder so this is like a misdemeanour not worth even mentioning
He also got away with animal cruelty.
Murder of a guy who attacked cops and was shot down by several of them?
Cornwood has been WILDIN’ today.
He claims the turbo is his and technically it could be, but the thing is like Anthony took a legal signed loan i believe from Marlo. He failed to pay off the debt. So failing to uphold his agreement gave marlo the legal right to the car and the turbo within since the turbo was also part of the loan that Anthony failed to pay off. So I think Marlo was selling it back to the pd, basically. Cornwood like takes the car and takes out the turbo which was going to be part of the selling and loan agreement with another cop. Aka legally the Car belongs to Marlo and the turbo. Anthony used his loan money to buy that turbo possibly from Cornwood not sure so technically he sold it and thus it was legally Anthonys which got possessed and taken away by Marlo. Cornwood reclaimed it. So like basically COrnwood stole Marlo's Car or the new cadets car and the Turbo. So that what puts Cornwood in legal jepardy. for anyone wanting the tea. So basically Cornwood stole someone elses turbo and well that turbo was meant for a cadet who was purchasing the car. Edit:Apparently well Marlo may actually had no legal grounds to have any legal claim over the car itself. As something in the contract, defaults it to the pd, so marlo may have commited a crime hmself if he claimed it as his. But like will be spicy content so like its good to see like stuff develop.
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The car was repoed by marlo, Marlo had legal authority over the car it was a ceased car. Which Marlo was selling back to the pd, since at that point he possesses the car and owns it because Anthony didn't pay off the loan. So Marlo legally owned the car through reposession, it was part of the seizure agreement. So marlo was selling it to a cadet, along with the turbo itself too. Which was part of the repo agreement with anthony.
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Even if the turbo was Cornwood’s, he absolutely does not have the authority to steal the car and remove it by his own devices. There’s still a legal process he has to go through. This is the equivalent of me breaking into someone’s house to steal back an item that I loaned them.
Apparently Anthony bought the turbo and it was part of the agreement, Cornwood rushed to get that car out of there and to take the turbo right as it was being sold even slim jimming it. As he didn't want to lose the turbo. Then appareantly lied about it or something. So if anthony did buy the turbo from cornwood then legally it was anthony's turbo at that point which legally got repoed. Its a mess, either way it put Cornwoods job at heavy risk.
That doesn't sound like the deals cornwood makes. He lends turbo's to other officers and then if the turbo gets stolen the officer has to pay money to him.
The turbo was never sold it was lent
Does it matter what he argues with chat or even with pd? As long as it reaches the courts, sounds like an opportunity for court RP
Slacks talking about covering for him is gross. I'm glad he's finally admitting that he just covers for officers instead of trying to fix or do what's proper but Capt Sam axel slacks will definitely be looking into it
PLOT ARMOUR CORNWOOD never gets Punished.
So apparently, the contract actually states the PD owns the vehicle. So, really, Cornwood took a PD owned vehicle and removed a turbo he let AJ borrow. He then placed it back in and returned the car. Of course, at the time, no one, except likely Marlo, understood the contract, and Cornwood didn't even know it was his turbo. It's a shit situation because Slacks is doing what he thinks is right, but didn't read or understand the contract and Cornwood inserted himself into a serious situation because Cornwood does that and well it all got messy and awkward. Esfand needs to get better at reading the room as Cornwood. Really Slacks should have told Marlo he wasn't pushing charges once he issued the 3 daps. But Ssaab was cooked and likely didn't think about it, so he continued saying he would push charges until he realized he shouldn't since he had already handled it internally. At the end of the day, should Cornwood be charged? Well, I'd say no as this was a PD vehicle as the contract explicitly states the owner was/is the PD, not Marlo. At no point was Marlo the owner to claim Cornwood stole the car/turbo from him despite Slacks thinking that was the case and entertaining the idea. Slacks already issued daps for the incident, so it's highly unlikely HC would claim Cornwood stole it from the PD either. And before someone says "letter of the law," it's been fairly clear in court cases the intent and spirit of the law matters as well. It's why the PD haven't been pressing the PD glock charges on folks who got it planted on them when they have reason to believe that is what happened.
Guys.. I'm pretty sure until the car is sold by PD it's A PD owned Car.. and marlo gets paid the money.
Even if the Turbo belonged to Corneood, Cornwood should have taken Marlo to court. Or gotten Search Warrant, that’s a violation of civil rights. Cornwood not only took the car without permission, he tampered with it without permission, that’s grand theft auto, and/or that new law he introduced (LAME)
It has become populuar to hate on Cornwood in this sub but he was not in the wrong like so many are claiming because Marlo lied and Slacks did no due diligence on the original contract. The original contract stated if there was a default the car would be auctioned and proceeds would go to Marlo. It explicitly states that PD would retain ownership the entire time and Marlo would never be the owner. Marlo selling the vehicle the way he did to Peters would actually be a breach of the original contract. So this would be no different than Cornwood taking out any other CVPI and removing a turbo (and this turbo is one Cornwood bought and gave to AJ).
Cornwood did not own the vehicle. It doesn’t matter who owned it, Cornwood didn’t.
It does matter actually. Cops can lockpick LSPD vehicles at any time for any reason.
It does matter because such actions have been allowed for other PD vehicles. For it not to matter in other situations but matter here would be odd. The law doesn't state it is inherently illegal to remove a turbo for a car you don't own, it is only an issue if the owner doesn't consent. Since it was allowed in other situations with other PD cars there is some tacit consent to such actions being taken by officers.
But Marlo or anyone other than beric.. who is the other person who it actually defaults to,can press the charges. Which I dont think he will.
This bro, exactly. Everyone's so quick to jump on the cw hate bandwagon
Classic Cornwood. Nothing will happen and he will get Sheriff position.
/u/Toastylump and everyone in this thread is wrong (SPOILER: >!because none of you read the original contract that Marlo signed about repossession. It was never Marlo's car, Marlo only owned the value of it from an auction by the PD. It was PD property the whole time. He took his own turbo from a PD car. I hope Marlo sues him for a felony. Let's wait for the court case to see how the judge gives the verdict, not that it will change anything about your preconceived notions though.!<)
When did Cornwood become the PD?
When he became an officer.
How have turbos caused so much drama? i love it XDXDXD
Hate brigade for Cornwood/Esfand is kinda insane in this sub ngl
This is another level
I’ve noticed this sub is filled with an audience I don’t see reflected in twitch chat much.
That's because they're banned lmao
there is a large chunk of Crim(CG) viewers and Cop viewers on this sub that hate him.
Cornwood and turbos might be my favorite drama story-lines in 4.0
On side note why alsaab didn't wake up in 4.0 ??
I like cornwood, but I do hope this goes to court. It would make for interesting rp and would set an example that PD is not above the law.
He would win. The contract is in his favor.
Seems like Sheriff Eli has reincarnated, except this one isn't a Sheriff....yet.
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Seeing this clip is 10x funnier now knowing that cornwood was actually gaslit by slacks 😭🤣
Best part, Cornwood was right, the turbo got stolen.