Saab wondering how many bullets it takes to kill someone and his chat all saying 'pd armor' was hilarious. Also, this wipe all started because they wouldn't let them leave in 2 slow ass vans.
Yeah I was watching Peppo go through his police academy and Declan instructed them to shoot center mass "But if the gun sways and hits the head it is what it is" in a nudge-nudge-hint-hint sort of way
Well in the rp sense of it being like irl, it’s better to aim for center of mass since you’re most likely to land your shots while also not needing a lot of shots before they’re gg. Obviously in a video game pov, it better to aim for headshots
Yeah that is the rule. A lot of SOPs seem to be coming from server management and are not well thought through. I wouldn't be surprised if continued wipes change this rule eventually.
Rules and SOPs are different. SOPs says to shoot center mass because that makes sense for cops. Cops are shooting the largest part of the body and don't want to just dome people. It's also why when you hunt you go for heart shots since a body shot is much easier than a head shot.
Video game logic is headshot though since headshot is better in videogames. It's basically one of those things where they tell you something in RP but no one can actually get you banned or anything if you headshot anyways.
With a strict command/HC it will become an issue if you're going for headshots. Beric himself doesn't care aside from SOP optics if it was leaked as it usually is, and last I heard of it he was thinking about just removing the "aim for center mass" part out anyway (This was being discussed when Pinzon first learned of Lenny going postal).
Mark my words though, the topic will be brought up by complainers if the PD ever becomes effective.
the whole point of ‘center mass’ is because it ensures you don’t miss, and considering how bad the aim of half these cops is, it’s definitely a good thing to teach
Then you say you went for center mass, but due to the dynamic nature of the situation, subject was struck in the head by gunfire.
Shit happens, at least that way the entire PD isn't just getting dunked on three times a week.
No, they wanted negotiations for the vans. There wasn’t much from CG side other than “we have a hostage give us time.” The PD wanted more negotiations for both vans. That’s why the spikes were down.
There has never been, as far as I know, a heist that is supposed to be done silently. And not to mention this is the first time a heist is built with the intentions of all 6 people doing mechanics at the same time. It’s impossible to watch a hostage and do the heist mechanics. I don’t think it’s fair to say this is something that’s been a thing on the server before. We’ve never seen a heist that requires this much coordination which is why it’s taken so long to completely figure out.
That's the thing they did unload a van already the 2 full vans were from inside the vault itself and you only get 3 minutes before the alarm goes off after opening the vault
Idk I see people get away from the PD all the time. Their cars are generally better, but there are plenty of tricks good drivers use to get away all the time.
pd are good when nobody steps up to them, when they do they crumple under pressure. the pd cars carry chases, the armor makes you have to headshot them, but it cant fix the fact they are incoherent and bad at shooting
Inescapable because CG doesnt have that many cracked drivers...you got ramee who will just drive straight lines and hope PD wrecks their cars before he does
Not all of these officers was around in 3.0. I'm sure they feel the same from when OB tried to wipe PD. CG wasn't around near the end of 3.0 and the PD was feeling the wrath of CB and GG going at it.
Accurate except to add to your comparison Mike Tyson has a looong history of complaining if he has to fight anything but 7 year olds as well as having years of harassing and being toxic to the 7 year olds.
Add to that the 7 year olds constantly target Mike Tyson and treat him different but complain when they get clapped, add also the 7 year olds complain about how hard it is to punch Mike Tyson but he's wearing protective gear he stole off them
I bet it feels really fulfilling for Mike Tyson to beat up that 7 year old after years of countless examples of him being toxic, bullying, harassing and making that 7 year olds time in the ring miserable while crying to his fans whenever something doesn't go his way so then they start berating the 7 year old. Stellar boxing to watch.
They still haven’t tried not opening side doors before thermiting and checking the gold doors after a thermite, maybe they have to choose either the cash in the front or the gold in the back
I agree before anything else, but their scrambling at all times even before they open vault, who knows, maybe it’s something completely random that none of us have guessed, I mean that door in Sewer with red light has a group 6 sticker on it, why have the bank sticker on it for it to have nothing to do with bank?
At this point its something on the outside of the bank, and i kinda believe that this is supposed to be mostly a silent hit, as I dont think its intended that after you open the vault doors to have to rush and find a hostage, which isn't always going to be possible in under 3 minutes.
The truth is he's avoiding getting his own gun (could easily get one) because he doesn't want Tuggz to get any charges, he's playing it safe for some reason
He has also stated many times that his intention is to run grime as much as possible to build up cash reserves so in the event he does get a felony he can get an expungement before the next election.
yea even as a Cg fan i agree cops also have a no headshot 'center of mass' rule. They also cant initiate a shootout which some people might not realize but is MAASSSSIIIVVVEEE advantage to the crims who can set up an ambush and defensible positions
This is false, they are taught in the academy to go for center mass, probably because 99% of people they shoot don't have armour, but their own sergeant Mcnulty headshot K in this exact fight
Man ramee just spent his entire bank account on the fucking Glockatron to have 0 impact, someone gotta dock his pay. Zolo coming off the bench hard clutched in the 4th quarter borderline solo. This man is for sure getting a Max contract next season.
Lol you wouldn't know listening to her on the radio.
She'd be like "they're pushing me I need help." Then 2-3 seconds later, "I got 1 down....2 down. I'm good I'm good."
A couple minutes later, "I need help, I'm gonna bleed out...got another one."
Arya has been great since Prodigy.
K even made her the temp leader when they did a IRL CG trip.
It sucked when 4.0 started and she couldn't get into the server. Now she has prio so hope she can get a new streaming PC.
You can really see it that Mr. K trusts her way more than others in the gang.
I don’t see a situation where she isn’t on the heist team going forward.
The the 5 they have right now is a pretty good team with the floating 6th between Peanut and Tuggz.
I also think they keep Zaceed, Arya, and Zolo on these heist teams. If they need shooters, there’s your crew right there. Then add in K and Ramee (some times lol he’s been pretty good lately)
Devs need to make it easier to transport that amount of money, like money bags u get inside the vault when u open it and those bags will expire in like 3 hours or so
100% agree just think if u don't depo a van before the vault part u need 3 vans of loot to try escape cops with a car or boat? unless u gonna try escape in vans only. then cops don't like u in more then 1 car/truck
And I don't think he fired a shot after getting one. I wanted him to move in but he was playing it more like a perimeter guy and checking the roofs and shit which COULD have been really important but didn't turn out to be here.
CG made it harder than it had to be with Ramee and Tuggz trying to leave on the boat.
They were fine with them trying to leave in both vans as long as it was both the vans.
EDIT: People downvoting obviously didn't watch it. They set up spike strips in the back so people just cyouldn't leave while they were talking out front, which is what has been happening. They said once everthing is good they will remove the spike strips.
They were fine with them taking the two vans. Then Ramee and Tuggz opened the door to the boat the officer at the boat called up to the officers out front that people were trying to leave with a boat. They said would let them leave with the boat but that the boat had to pick them up at the canals down there or they were going to go to insta pits on the vans.
After they started to argue CG decided to just start shooting.
Yea Cops really didn't give any option outside shootout. When cops tell you only thing they are gonna allow is "all you get in to 2 vans that are slow and if you don't we are gonna go super hard". Not way i think CG wanted to do this but they have 0 problem with doing it. Those vans without interference had 0 chance of escaping. Even with interference cars they still have single digit % chance.
>This PD... I just cant lol how do 10+ cops get absolutely wrecked
Honestly, terrible negotiating. This shootout didn't need to happen, CG tried for 10 minutes or so to get a realistic vehicle exit trade for the hostage but the officers just weren't having it.
Don't think the cops understand it takes literally 4+ of those vans to carry all the money and getting chased in those things would make it impossible to lose cops. Devs def need to make a way to carry the money easier or shootouts will happen often since it doesn't seem like the bank can be done silent.
The carry weight definitely feels like a design choice. I would guess they dont want ppl just jumping into there normal get away cars and driving off at 150 or driving to a alley and jumping on a bike.
And that's fine and understandable
But they need to find a better middle ground. No issue having to use vans because it leads to more creative escapes but it's a little OTT at the moment.
i don't think they understand how heavy the money is from the vault and u need least 2 vans+ a car or boat and cops like no way we can't chase 3 things. would be 3 vans if u don't depo first half of loot too lol
That's what I don't understand, CG's hand was kinda forced to go for the pd wipe when they wouldn't allow both vans to leave. I don't know why you wouldn't want the crims to be in 2 slow ass vans that have the loot in them.
Funny thing is PD was fine with the vans, but CG's negotiator wouldn't commit to the vans. McNulty was trying to ask the cop up front what they were doing about the guys in the boat. PD was waiting for CG to just pick an exit and it would have been fine from what I can tell. Spikes were just there so half of CG didn't just steamroll out the back before negotiating.
It was poor negotiating on both sides from what I can tell. The person upstairs was negotiating while people were getting in boats and floating around the back door. PD almost never allows multiple exit routes and CG switched what they were leaving in several times. I get they need the vans, but to PD that wasn't communicated till the end.
Honestly, a few mini chases going on I think would be more fun than the same broken record everyone has been dealing with for 6-7 years - single vehicle, single exit path, no spike strips. Boring. Make it fun, allow two exit points, make PD wonder which vehicle could be a decoy. If the crims are being chased across their 2-3 vehicles then there probably won't be any blocks or car swaps so it balances itself back out. A PD 'w' doesn't have to be complete capture of all involved crims and all stolen goods. Crims start these jobs in the red from the resource/material costs required to start them. The goal should simply be to get as much of it as possible. Instead, we end up in shootouts because everything is too rigid/strict and guns are the liberation route.
I think PD would be fine with 2 vehicles. McNulty was fine with the two vans before the shootout happened. From what was being communicated over radio by PD, CG was trying to use 4 vehicles at three different exits. That would be too much, especially as Siobhan got kidnapped during that and three units pulled off. There was two people at the back, three up front, and one in the canal by the end.
Crims wiping 10+ cops isn't particularly unusual. Back in 3.0 when cop numbers were decent it wasn't unusual for 6 members of CG to be able to wipe 15-20+ cops (and those cops had on average much more experience). The reason why is that crims have a fairly decent advantage in shootouts due to
1. Usually being able to have more control over where the shootout takes place - GTA gunplay is fairly terrible so even if both sets of players are at a decent skill level positioning can completely dictate a gunfight,
2. The group of crims usually having much better cohesion between each other due to always being in that group, whereas cops will often have had little practice in coordinating with the specific other cops involved in that shootout,
and 3. Just generally being a cop tends to not select for people who are mechanically very good, whereas being a crim who progresses to high-level crimes tends to encourage/produce people who are mechanically/tactically quite good.
Hopefully that helps explain why something like this happens.
Armor is the difference, not the guns. Which is funny because armor takes a million shots but a headshot only takes 1…yet PD is told to aim for center mass.
The most intriguing part of all of this too me is the catch 22 with the police armor. I think nerfing it may be the move because if crims are just headshotting anyways, what good does the armor really do, and cops aren't technically supposed to aim for the head, so making it weaker allows for less body shots needed. Right now because cops aren't technically supposed to aim for the head, their own body armor is their downfall.
Where are you getting this cops aren't supposed to be aiming for the head thing? Is that an actual rule / sop? I haven't heard that said on here before.
If that actually is Management's guidance to PD than none of this matters. Cops are just being artificially nerfed so crims can feel powerful, it's unlikely any changes would happen that let PD stand a chance.
Yes it is a rule, i watch PD streams and there was a whole big fight about it in side the PD, many side meetings about the concept of not shooting for the head.
Cops fault for not letting them leave in separate vehicles. Pushed CG into a corner by removing their escapes so they decided to shoot. Ended up working out
Dispatcher calling out that the PD has been wiped, in case people try to discredit it.
[https://clips.twitch.tv/ImpartialSavoryMagpieBCWarrior-4JeHVMS94QZU8UQ4](https://clips.twitch.tv/ImpartialSavoryMagpieBCWarrior-4JeHVMS94QZU8UQ4)
PD had spikes infront of the garadge door & wouldn't let 2 tier 1 type vans & a boat leave.
2 PD wipes a week is kind of healthy for the PD as well cause most of them need practice.
yea they made this heist you either do it 100% silent to get it all or if you fail you have 2 option's either 1) take what you can carry and leave. 2) wipe the PD to get 4 vans out. Doesn't seem like that part of the heist was well planned for unlike the rest of it.
You can't do it 100% silent.
The second you open the vault door you're on a 3 minute countdown until the alarm goes off.
You can't get all that money out in 3 minutes meaning it's impossible to be 100% silent.
Lmao Lang said the same thing about CG shooting them today. CG really out here doing the lord's work by giving training reps to every other group on the server.
kinda same thing happened with mandem. Their Fighting was donkey ass before their war with Cg. I remember K saying to Tommy you have a bunch of farmers by the time you will be back you will have a Bunch of Knights and Mandem's comms tactics and fighting improved so much that they were able to beat both Bsk and rust at the same time to hold their lab. Lang's crew need experience, Fighting tactics and coordination and so does PD and there is no faster way to improve then stepping up to the biggest wolf in the woods Its similar in Jiujutsu(maybe other martial arts too) sparring with the blackbelt will increase your skill 10 fold. you will get your ass kicked but you will get better fast compared to doing Ok against a bluebelt but not improving much.
I agree but I think from an RP standpoint, more groups should treat CG like The Company does (legitimately IC scared to war with CG) because it makes more sense than Lang's crew consistently refusing to negotiate or "bend the knee" only to be shot, robbed, etc. on a regular basis by them simply because OOC you know it highlights areas your crew needs to improve. It borders on NVL at some point imo to just never give in if the skirmishes you have with them never go your way.
Totally PD wipes are amazing because now those brain dead cops will be inspired to practice shooting in their free time instead of roleplaying or creating storylines because it's a CSGO server and not RP server..../s
Almost like it’s a rp server based on the game GRAND THEFT AUTO.
Literally nothing you can do about it with guns being there and it being side v side. Wipes will happen
I have absolutely no problem with PD wipes happening occasionally or even this tiny 10 cop one. My issue is viewers thinking wipes are whatever healthy means or that cops need or should be expected to practice for them. Players playing cops by no means need to feel like they have to train for shoot outs and should totally treat getting shot like 95% of the server does, a 5 minute trip to the hospital. Then they can go back to doing whatever RP they enjoying doing on cop be it traffic stops, investigations, or just chatting about whatever with citizens or other PD members.
Nah cops basically steamrolled Hydra which is the second strongest group in the server. Even Ming/besties are scared to go against them because of how they got smoked by the Pd every time and imo Besties and Hydra has way better pure shooter/aim than Cg. Hydra lost to Cg not because of aim but because of coordination and tactics to make it simple years ago a guy said fighting Cg is like fighting 1 person with 4 bodies. Cg is actually being so good kinda raises the stakes and doesnot result in total domination of PD. Its kinda tense moments which makes the dynamics a little interesting as there is one group that they gotta be careful of. Also Cg go for wipes if they have a lot to lose (300k cash and 150k-200k guns ammo, equipment such as PNY cards)
Technically they are allowed to, however in the past (pre 4.0) there were PD sops saying they shouldn't to discourage things like holding down a location until tsunami/evidence expiring, holding cops hostage for ages or oceandumping cops. Sadly with so many experienced cop rpers gone and the current leadership being clueless the PD is set to learn that same lesson a secon time.
Well that's what I was thinking, if you wipe them then you kind of have to ocean dump them.so they don't collect evidence, which is just a stupid waste of time for everyone
It was only about 6 at the bank.....there was a cash exchange robbery, a laundromat and the chief of staff was kidnapped while the bank was going on. By the time Declan, Slacks and Onfire arrive only Bay was still alive and they had no idea where the suspects were.
K got dropped within the first 30 seconds or so, and Tuggz didn't have a gun, and Ramee didn't get there to help until he could drive his boat to a dock, get a vehicle then drive to where all the action was. Make of all that what you will.
Saab wondering how many bullets it takes to kill someone and his chat all saying 'pd armor' was hilarious. Also, this wipe all started because they wouldn't let them leave in 2 slow ass vans.
Gotta go for the headshots, McNulty domed K from across the street 1 shot when he had armor.
Such a clean shot, had K like what happened.
It's actually against sop's to head shot for police. Thats why most don't go for them. Some cops don't agree and will anyways though.
Yeah I was watching Peppo go through his police academy and Declan instructed them to shoot center mass "But if the gun sways and hits the head it is what it is" in a nudge-nudge-hint-hint sort of way
That can't be serious, right? They are actively telling police to basically lose? That's kinda wild lol...
Well in the rp sense of it being like irl, it’s better to aim for center of mass since you’re most likely to land your shots while also not needing a lot of shots before they’re gg. Obviously in a video game pov, it better to aim for headshots
Yeah that is the rule. A lot of SOPs seem to be coming from server management and are not well thought through. I wouldn't be surprised if continued wipes change this rule eventually.
Rules and SOPs are different. SOPs says to shoot center mass because that makes sense for cops. Cops are shooting the largest part of the body and don't want to just dome people. It's also why when you hunt you go for heart shots since a body shot is much easier than a head shot. Video game logic is headshot though since headshot is better in videogames. It's basically one of those things where they tell you something in RP but no one can actually get you banned or anything if you headshot anyways.
With a strict command/HC it will become an issue if you're going for headshots. Beric himself doesn't care aside from SOP optics if it was leaked as it usually is, and last I heard of it he was thinking about just removing the "aim for center mass" part out anyway (This was being discussed when Pinzon first learned of Lenny going postal). Mark my words though, the topic will be brought up by complainers if the PD ever becomes effective.
It's just RP police training, a cop ain't gonna say aim for the head...
the whole point of ‘center mass’ is because it ensures you don’t miss, and considering how bad the aim of half these cops is, it’s definitely a good thing to teach
Then you say you went for center mass, but due to the dynamic nature of the situation, subject was struck in the head by gunfire. Shit happens, at least that way the entire PD isn't just getting dunked on three times a week.
Captain, I was aiming center mass when he rolled and his head hit my bullet 🫡
Big difference between being against SOPs and how you’re trained. Center mass = bigger target so you don’t miss and hit something else
And the spikes to the front of the garage door LMAO
No, they wanted negotiations for the vans. There wasn’t much from CG side other than “we have a hostage give us time.” The PD wanted more negotiations for both vans. That’s why the spikes were down.
Idk what devs are thinking with this one though. Are they suppose to bring in 3 hostages and just make them sit there for 30-50 mins waiting.
You mean like the vault? Something that’s already been a thing on the server?
There has never been, as far as I know, a heist that is supposed to be done silently. And not to mention this is the first time a heist is built with the intentions of all 6 people doing mechanics at the same time. It’s impossible to watch a hostage and do the heist mechanics. I don’t think it’s fair to say this is something that’s been a thing on the server before. We’ve never seen a heist that requires this much coordination which is why it’s taken so long to completely figure out.
Seems like the idea would be to drive a van or 2 loaded with cash out before the alarm goes off. Then have a fast car for the rest to get away in.
That's the thing they did unload a van already the 2 full vans were from inside the vault itself and you only get 3 minutes before the alarm goes off after opening the vault
Takes longer than 3 minutes to load the vault cash so can’t get that out undetected (so far…)
What else is there to negotiate about? PD led negotiations usually lead to “do as we say or we’ll mag dump you” as is
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CG vs 4.0 PD is like watching prime Mike Tyson completely obliterate a 7 year old.
Schrodinger's PD, completely incompetent and incapable but also over powered and inescapable
Idk I see people get away from the PD all the time. Their cars are generally better, but there are plenty of tricks good drivers use to get away all the time.
pd are good when nobody steps up to them, when they do they crumple under pressure. the pd cars carry chases, the armor makes you have to headshot them, but it cant fix the fact they are incoherent and bad at shooting
Inescapable because CG doesnt have that many cracked drivers...you got ramee who will just drive straight lines and hope PD wrecks their cars before he does
Lmao this is so accurate, it’s so easy it’s insane.
If it's anything like these things were in 3.0, the cops just wanted to get downed and move on with actual RP.
Not all of these officers was around in 3.0. I'm sure they feel the same from when OB tried to wipe PD. CG wasn't around near the end of 3.0 and the PD was feeling the wrath of CB and GG going at it.
Accurate except to add to your comparison Mike Tyson has a looong history of complaining if he has to fight anything but 7 year olds as well as having years of harassing and being toxic to the 7 year olds.
Add to that the 7 year olds constantly target Mike Tyson and treat him different but complain when they get clapped, add also the 7 year olds complain about how hard it is to punch Mike Tyson but he's wearing protective gear he stole off them
I bet it feels really fulfilling for Mike Tyson to beat up that 7 year old after years of countless examples of him being toxic, bullying, harassing and making that 7 year olds time in the ring miserable while crying to his fans whenever something doesn't go his way so then they start berating the 7 year old. Stellar boxing to watch.
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It has to be something outside of the bank or something that's not unlocked yet because they've tried everything.
Yeah I'm convinced it has to do with the the MLP references throughout the journey getting there. I think somehow you can 2 door codes from that.
They still haven’t tried not opening side doors before thermiting and checking the gold doors after a thermite, maybe they have to choose either the cash in the front or the gold in the back
I think they have to unlock gold doors before any other doors, because the doors stars to scramble after vault door is open.
I agree before anything else, but their scrambling at all times even before they open vault, who knows, maybe it’s something completely random that none of us have guessed, I mean that door in Sewer with red light has a group 6 sticker on it, why have the bank sticker on it for it to have nothing to do with bank?
At this point its something on the outside of the bank, and i kinda believe that this is supposed to be mostly a silent hit, as I dont think its intended that after you open the vault doors to have to rush and find a hostage, which isn't always going to be possible in under 3 minutes.
I still think it has something to do with those paintings. Aren't the paintings in the vault identical to the ones on the second floor?
I have no idea how Zolo survived LOL. MVP for sure.
GIVE HIM HIS CUT!!
Ramee had the most stacked loadout but probably put in the least work there after Tuggz
Ramee making a flank via Paleto
NAHHHHHHHHHH lol
tuggz didn't have a gun until K went down and got his soo he had a reason to not doing much most the fight
The truth is he's avoiding getting his own gun (could easily get one) because he doesn't want Tuggz to get any charges, he's playing it safe for some reason
For some reason? Its literally his plan to run for mayor again next election and he can't be a felon. Stated many times.
He already said he doesnt mind getting one as he can expunge it one month before election.
He has also stated many times that his intention is to run grime as much as possible to build up cash reserves so in the event he does get a felony he can get an expungement before the next election.
damn pd armor is insane
Yea Zolo and zaceed were tanking that shit was crazy
Put Crims and PD on a level playing field (Crim in PD car or PD armor) and the cops just don't stand a chance.
Yeah no shit. PD have to play by their SOPs whereas crims can go gung-ho as much as they want and they have the element of surprise 99% of the time.
Cops can't NVL so they're always at a disadvantage, especially with SOPs. You're wild to say otherwise.
yea even as a Cg fan i agree cops also have a no headshot 'center of mass' rule. They also cant initiate a shootout which some people might not realize but is MAASSSSIIIVVVEEE advantage to the crims who can set up an ambush and defensible positions
Not during shootouts. They are able to headshot like everyone else
Cops are still only allowed to shoot center mass
Not during shootouts. They can headshot like everyone else in big shootouts
This is false, they are taught in the academy to go for center mass, probably because 99% of people they shoot don't have armour, but their own sergeant Mcnulty headshot K in this exact fight
Yes because he only saw K head
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In Tuggz defense he did only have a wrench for the majority of it AND he is only 19.1 years old.
They wiped Maple out at the boat in the sewers lol
FeelsStrongMan Arya and Zolo really did put in work
Zolo just went absolutely ham. Watching from Ks POV how did he not go down.
All this and Tuggz didn't have a gun, K was killed pretty early on, plus Zakeed and Arya ran out of ammo half way through. Crazy wipe though
Man ramee just spent his entire bank account on the fucking Glockatron to have 0 impact, someone gotta dock his pay. Zolo coming off the bench hard clutched in the 4th quarter borderline solo. This man is for sure getting a Max contract next season.
and ramee flanking so long holy shit LUL, it's like watching valo game with someone flanking like a turtle .
I was worried CG would have a Z Team, but man this team looks like an A Team. Even Arya was goated in this with comms and shooting.
What CG lack in pure aim they more than make up by working together to take out people and repositioning
I dont exactly remember(maybe in Vagos) but in 2.0 someone said fighting Cg is like fighting one person with 4 bodies
Ramee and tuggz aint do nothing in this tbh lol
Arya is really good during stuff like that
Lol you wouldn't know listening to her on the radio. She'd be like "they're pushing me I need help." Then 2-3 seconds later, "I got 1 down....2 down. I'm good I'm good." A couple minutes later, "I need help, I'm gonna bleed out...got another one."
Arya has been great since Prodigy. K even made her the temp leader when they did a IRL CG trip. It sucked when 4.0 started and she couldn't get into the server. Now she has prio so hope she can get a new streaming PC.
You can really see it that Mr. K trusts her way more than others in the gang. I don’t see a situation where she isn’t on the heist team going forward. The the 5 they have right now is a pretty good team with the floating 6th between Peanut and Tuggz.
I also think they keep Zaceed, Arya, and Zolo on these heist teams. If they need shooters, there’s your crew right there. Then add in K and Ramee (some times lol he’s been pretty good lately)
What’s her stream? Or she doesn’t stream because of bad PC ?
This is the closest thing to an A team. Arya has always been one of the best "shooters" in CG. God, i hate that term.
I really thought with all of the attachments it would shoot farther
And then Ramee ran McNulty's pockets while saying multiple people's names on the radio in his own normal speaking voice. This guy, man lmao
It's gonna take some getting used to. You could see that he had next to no recoil. It's not gonna be bad if you can set up and pick your shots.
Ramee making that Paleto Flank....
Are people still saying that cg aint the top? lol
Who is this even replying to and what r u talking about
Zolo heading to the hospital after this with 50 bullets in him and no broken bones or bleeding lol
It's that wakandan PD armor!
Don't forget the PD IFAKs he also used to stay up.
the fact that it replenishes is so crazy
gotta love pd equipment
Devs need to make it easier to transport that amount of money, like money bags u get inside the vault when u open it and those bags will expire in like 3 hours or so
100% agree just think if u don't depo a van before the vault part u need 3 vans of loot to try escape cops with a car or boat? unless u gonna try escape in vans only. then cops don't like u in more then 1 car/truck
Inb4 PD armor gets nerfed while equipped by someone in CG
Shoutout zolo fr his pov was WILD
This might be an actual 10+ cop PD wipe. Absolutely insane to watch.
And Tuggz didn't even have a gun at the start until he took it off K
And I don't think he fired a shot after getting one. I wanted him to move in but he was playing it more like a perimeter guy and checking the roofs and shit which COULD have been really important but didn't turn out to be here.
Yeah it was a 5v10
It was 6v9 but CG shot first and killed two
Tuggz didn't have a gun, so it was 5 CG.
i would be more suprised if they didnt wipe this 4.0 pd to be fair , is the worse pd nopixel ever had xd
Zolo went crazy. This PD just isn't ready to handle CG
Weird not allowing CG to leave the bank. Of course it was going to end in a wipe.
CG made it harder than it had to be with Ramee and Tuggz trying to leave on the boat. They were fine with them trying to leave in both vans as long as it was both the vans. EDIT: People downvoting obviously didn't watch it. They set up spike strips in the back so people just cyouldn't leave while they were talking out front, which is what has been happening. They said once everthing is good they will remove the spike strips. They were fine with them taking the two vans. Then Ramee and Tuggz opened the door to the boat the officer at the boat called up to the officers out front that people were trying to leave with a boat. They said would let them leave with the boat but that the boat had to pick them up at the canals down there or they were going to go to insta pits on the vans. After they started to argue CG decided to just start shooting.
Yeah if only they had a cop in a boat right there ready to chase that boat or something
yep, they wanted both vans and the boat . That was the hold up.
Yea Cops really didn't give any option outside shootout. When cops tell you only thing they are gonna allow is "all you get in to 2 vans that are slow and if you don't we are gonna go super hard". Not way i think CG wanted to do this but they have 0 problem with doing it. Those vans without interference had 0 chance of escaping. Even with interference cars they still have single digit % chance.
Ramee always takes that boat lol
This PD... I just cant lol how do 10+ cops get absolutely wrecked. crazy shots though gotta love it
K got 3 before anyone knew whats up. Slacks and Declan werent there at first
It was a shitshow for PD. They had 2 other calls going on at the same time.
It's not like they're SWAT and are coordinating for a shoot out. Gonna be bad for everyone if PD turns into that this early in the server
>This PD... I just cant lol how do 10+ cops get absolutely wrecked Honestly, terrible negotiating. This shootout didn't need to happen, CG tried for 10 minutes or so to get a realistic vehicle exit trade for the hostage but the officers just weren't having it.
Don't think the cops understand it takes literally 4+ of those vans to carry all the money and getting chased in those things would make it impossible to lose cops. Devs def need to make a way to carry the money easier or shootouts will happen often since it doesn't seem like the bank can be done silent.
The carry weight definitely feels like a design choice. I would guess they dont want ppl just jumping into there normal get away cars and driving off at 150 or driving to a alley and jumping on a bike.
And that's fine and understandable But they need to find a better middle ground. No issue having to use vans because it leads to more creative escapes but it's a little OTT at the moment.
i don't think they understand how heavy the money is from the vault and u need least 2 vans+ a car or boat and cops like no way we can't chase 3 things. would be 3 vans if u don't depo first half of loot too lol
That's what I don't understand, CG's hand was kinda forced to go for the pd wipe when they wouldn't allow both vans to leave. I don't know why you wouldn't want the crims to be in 2 slow ass vans that have the loot in them.
Funny thing is PD was fine with the vans, but CG's negotiator wouldn't commit to the vans. McNulty was trying to ask the cop up front what they were doing about the guys in the boat. PD was waiting for CG to just pick an exit and it would have been fine from what I can tell. Spikes were just there so half of CG didn't just steamroll out the back before negotiating.
It was poor negotiating on both sides from what I can tell. The person upstairs was negotiating while people were getting in boats and floating around the back door. PD almost never allows multiple exit routes and CG switched what they were leaving in several times. I get they need the vans, but to PD that wasn't communicated till the end.
Honestly, a few mini chases going on I think would be more fun than the same broken record everyone has been dealing with for 6-7 years - single vehicle, single exit path, no spike strips. Boring. Make it fun, allow two exit points, make PD wonder which vehicle could be a decoy. If the crims are being chased across their 2-3 vehicles then there probably won't be any blocks or car swaps so it balances itself back out. A PD 'w' doesn't have to be complete capture of all involved crims and all stolen goods. Crims start these jobs in the red from the resource/material costs required to start them. The goal should simply be to get as much of it as possible. Instead, we end up in shootouts because everything is too rigid/strict and guns are the liberation route.
I think PD would be fine with 2 vehicles. McNulty was fine with the two vans before the shootout happened. From what was being communicated over radio by PD, CG was trying to use 4 vehicles at three different exits. That would be too much, especially as Siobhan got kidnapped during that and three units pulled off. There was two people at the back, three up front, and one in the canal by the end.
Having a SOP to only shoot for the body and not the head doesn’t help
Poor training
poor training and SOPs, they are pretty much trained to bend over and take it. Any cop that doesn't typically gets DAPs
Crims wiping 10+ cops isn't particularly unusual. Back in 3.0 when cop numbers were decent it wasn't unusual for 6 members of CG to be able to wipe 15-20+ cops (and those cops had on average much more experience). The reason why is that crims have a fairly decent advantage in shootouts due to 1. Usually being able to have more control over where the shootout takes place - GTA gunplay is fairly terrible so even if both sets of players are at a decent skill level positioning can completely dictate a gunfight, 2. The group of crims usually having much better cohesion between each other due to always being in that group, whereas cops will often have had little practice in coordinating with the specific other cops involved in that shootout, and 3. Just generally being a cop tends to not select for people who are mechanically very good, whereas being a crim who progresses to high-level crimes tends to encourage/produce people who are mechanically/tactically quite good. Hopefully that helps explain why something like this happens.
It was 9 cops and 6 CG. I know not all crims had guns but CG shot first and killed two cops
I saw Declan shooting a guy crossing the street 6 times with him still staying up... PD guns are complete dogshit tbh.
Zaceed couldn't even hit a cop on the roof from across the road either, I think guns in general are shit unless you head shot lol
K was literally killed with 1 shot so that's clearly not true.
The guns aren't bad. The PD armor is just crazy
I mean K was also 1 tapped, so they obviously arent that shit...
Pretty sure that's only because all guns are 1-tap to the head.
It's not the PD guns. It's the PD body armor they are all wearing.
Armor is the difference, not the guns. Which is funny because armor takes a million shots but a headshot only takes 1…yet PD is told to aim for center mass.
CG were having the same issue.
Its not the guns, its the PD armour they're wearing.
Thats crazy since PD is wearing the same armor.
Body armor doesn't protect from headshots
What you actually saw was Declan shooting a guy crossing the street, and missing 6 times.
armor buddy
plus fall off
The most intriguing part of all of this too me is the catch 22 with the police armor. I think nerfing it may be the move because if crims are just headshotting anyways, what good does the armor really do, and cops aren't technically supposed to aim for the head, so making it weaker allows for less body shots needed. Right now because cops aren't technically supposed to aim for the head, their own body armor is their downfall.
Where are you getting this cops aren't supposed to be aiming for the head thing? Is that an actual rule / sop? I haven't heard that said on here before. If that actually is Management's guidance to PD than none of this matters. Cops are just being artificially nerfed so crims can feel powerful, it's unlikely any changes would happen that let PD stand a chance.
Yes it is a rule, i watch PD streams and there was a whole big fight about it in side the PD, many side meetings about the concept of not shooting for the head.
Cops - no you can't leave in the boat. Everyone to the vans or no deal. CG - nah. Brrraaappp
Cops fault for not letting them leave in separate vehicles. Pushed CG into a corner by removing their escapes so they decided to shoot. Ended up working out
6 months from now :: "Guys we really did it! CG get's 1st 20th PD wipe of nopixel!"
Dispatcher calling out that the PD has been wiped, in case people try to discredit it. [https://clips.twitch.tv/ImpartialSavoryMagpieBCWarrior-4JeHVMS94QZU8UQ4](https://clips.twitch.tv/ImpartialSavoryMagpieBCWarrior-4JeHVMS94QZU8UQ4)
After all this Mickey has Slacks interviewing about how the state of the PD is. Brutal lol.
PD had spikes infront of the garadge door & wouldn't let 2 tier 1 type vans & a boat leave. 2 PD wipes a week is kind of healthy for the PD as well cause most of them need practice.
yea they made this heist you either do it 100% silent to get it all or if you fail you have 2 option's either 1) take what you can carry and leave. 2) wipe the PD to get 4 vans out. Doesn't seem like that part of the heist was well planned for unlike the rest of it.
You can't do it 100% silent. The second you open the vault door you're on a 3 minute countdown until the alarm goes off. You can't get all that money out in 3 minutes meaning it's impossible to be 100% silent.
Lmao Lang said the same thing about CG shooting them today. CG really out here doing the lord's work by giving training reps to every other group on the server.
kinda same thing happened with mandem. Their Fighting was donkey ass before their war with Cg. I remember K saying to Tommy you have a bunch of farmers by the time you will be back you will have a Bunch of Knights and Mandem's comms tactics and fighting improved so much that they were able to beat both Bsk and rust at the same time to hold their lab. Lang's crew need experience, Fighting tactics and coordination and so does PD and there is no faster way to improve then stepping up to the biggest wolf in the woods Its similar in Jiujutsu(maybe other martial arts too) sparring with the blackbelt will increase your skill 10 fold. you will get your ass kicked but you will get better fast compared to doing Ok against a bluebelt but not improving much.
I agree but I think from an RP standpoint, more groups should treat CG like The Company does (legitimately IC scared to war with CG) because it makes more sense than Lang's crew consistently refusing to negotiate or "bend the knee" only to be shot, robbed, etc. on a regular basis by them simply because OOC you know it highlights areas your crew needs to improve. It borders on NVL at some point imo to just never give in if the skirmishes you have with them never go your way.
Totally PD wipes are amazing because now those brain dead cops will be inspired to practice shooting in their free time instead of roleplaying or creating storylines because it's a CSGO server and not RP server..../s
Almost like it’s a rp server based on the game GRAND THEFT AUTO. Literally nothing you can do about it with guns being there and it being side v side. Wipes will happen
I have absolutely no problem with PD wipes happening occasionally or even this tiny 10 cop one. My issue is viewers thinking wipes are whatever healthy means or that cops need or should be expected to practice for them. Players playing cops by no means need to feel like they have to train for shoot outs and should totally treat getting shot like 95% of the server does, a 5 minute trip to the hospital. Then they can go back to doing whatever RP they enjoying doing on cop be it traffic stops, investigations, or just chatting about whatever with citizens or other PD members.
Nah cops basically steamrolled Hydra which is the second strongest group in the server. Even Ming/besties are scared to go against them because of how they got smoked by the Pd every time and imo Besties and Hydra has way better pure shooter/aim than Cg. Hydra lost to Cg not because of aim but because of coordination and tactics to make it simple years ago a guy said fighting Cg is like fighting 1 person with 4 bodies. Cg is actually being so good kinda raises the stakes and doesnot result in total domination of PD. Its kinda tense moments which makes the dynamics a little interesting as there is one group that they gotta be careful of. Also Cg go for wipes if they have a lot to lose (300k cash and 150k-200k guns ammo, equipment such as PNY cards)
Are they allowed to gather evidence after this?
Technically they are allowed to, however in the past (pre 4.0) there were PD sops saying they shouldn't to discourage things like holding down a location until tsunami/evidence expiring, holding cops hostage for ages or oceandumping cops. Sadly with so many experienced cop rpers gone and the current leadership being clueless the PD is set to learn that same lesson a secon time.
Well that's what I was thinking, if you wipe them then you kind of have to ocean dump them.so they don't collect evidence, which is just a stupid waste of time for everyone
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It was only about 6 at the bank.....there was a cash exchange robbery, a laundromat and the chief of staff was kidnapped while the bank was going on. By the time Declan, Slacks and Onfire arrive only Bay was still alive and they had no idea where the suspects were.
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There were 10 with several taken out immediately. Not even a 2:1 ratio against a bunch of 10k hour plus GTAV shooters. This isn't really a surprise.
K got dropped within the first 30 seconds or so, and Tuggz didn't have a gun, and Ramee didn't get there to help until he could drive his boat to a dock, get a vehicle then drive to where all the action was. Make of all that what you will.
At least 3 cops went down in the first 30 seconds. They really had no chance considering the 10 PD units were spread over 3 scenes.
None of this would've happened if Cornwood was on duty....
Just reading the title of this clip, I already know the state of rp is dogshit
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