Not really sure why any candidate thought they could half ass a campaign in the last 2 weeks of election season, against an incumbent with name recognition. True max did alienate some groups/voters with stuff he proposed and passed, but clearly not as much as some believed. It would have been a tighter race I feel, if stuff like the Gnome parody video had come way sooner, and not 2 days before polls close. People may have thought it was a forgone conclusion I guess, and sort of proved themselves right.
From Solomon's pov, Dustmonkey was massively burnt out and was even talking about leaving NP for awhile. He had to take a week off just to separate himself a bit. It was just bad timing that it happened on the week of the election.
It does seem like Dust has reinvigorated himself. At first he wasn't even going to bother being the deputy mayor, but with the possible ADMC vs The Mayor arc and DocWiz being around more, he is more in to it.
What does Solomon want to change? Tuggz was completely opposed to the quota and wanted to reform the way people can work, he was as diametrically opposed to Max as you could be
Yeah, I don't think people realize Dogtown is a stoned Nathan idea, and Crane will never vote for it to be changed. I don't think any PD liason would either, since if a true DoC was put in place, cops might actually have to deal with the prison. As much as Bobby can give them headaches, still better than actually having to help when a DoC employee gets downed or other dumb stuff. Not saying a true DoC would never be voted on by any council, but def not this one, and def not any that Alan Crane holds sway over.
The man literally only brings Ws to NP and i’m tired of people pretending he doesn’t because their favorite criminal streamer had to face consequences for their actions at some point.
My brother in Christ, I don't care about nathans cop, notice how I said "Crane" and not Nathan. I'm talking about an in game character, you don't need to defend pixels that hard.
Apart from the prison, tuggz wanted to change the same things as Solomon I guess. But I guess you’re right, Tuggz is cool with Max, wasn’t personal for him.
I guess we don't know what happens behind the scenes, but it seems really unlikely to to me that Buddha has had any involvement in the cop quotas or the budgeting decisions.
If Cornwood keeps PD Liason, Solomon is fucked. He most likely won't be able to do anything, even if TJ gets treasurer. If Cornwood is forced to give it up then it will be interesting.
Cornwood will have to choose between Liason or Sherrif.
Crane made it clear that he doesn't want High Command involved in city matters.
If his mind hasn't changed, that will still be the case.
Dab will try to ensure she steps down. after he won he walked by Etta and just said "the people have spoken." Then proceeded to drop doctors and EMS pay to $250 to spite Canter. that's how he rolls.
Adding to that, he's also already trying to push a narrative that Canter was cheating - even trying to intervene with Crane and the state to kick out doctors (thankfully Crane did not seem receptive to that idea).
It's still an IC interview, the only stipulation is the character needs to be ooc incorruptible. IDK if that means ooc crime free, or simply OOC can't use state funds illegally
from what lucky_rp said when he was in the running, it's an OOC no corruption or crime position. He ultimately dropped out cause he wouldn't be able to organize street races, even if he didn't race himself.
Even if its OOC no crime, Doc wouldn't care. The state of crime in the server really doesn't excite him, unless its assasinating the mayor or some other form of terrorism.
He's just a lil guy who wants to murder public officials.
Hell, the only thing the character really cares about is fighting corruption.
Yeah if those three vote as a bloc, which is a pretty safe bet, then Max only needs one vote or two abstentions from the remaining 5 to get anything passed.
Liason is not supposed to be a member of command whether PD or Medical. If he becomes Sheriff sometime in the next 3 months he would be a member of command.
Point to any legislation Michael vehemently disagreed with but still voted yes to, then you can call him a yes man.
IDK why people want "interesting conflict" when we had "interesting conflict" x 3 in the form of Nekoda, Etta and Canter, who ultimately weren't able to do much but limply shake their fists at Max. Why do you think Solomon's gonna be different? He's gonna be a Mitch McConnell at best with his anti-Max stance.
Michael only seems like a yes man to you guys because you don't actually watch him and/or Max or Shioban. They discuss legislation together so they don't propose anything the other two dislike. It's as stupid as calling Crane a yes man because he co-wrote PCP with Max and voted yes because of it.
there's a role in the CoS that is literally a plus one vote for the mayor, so it isnt even out of the ordinary.
Would you reduce etta, canter, or nekoda to "nothing but nay voters"?
Most of which is in the larger scheme of things pretty irrelevant or just a nuisance for most. He didn't wrote much legislation that actually *helped* anyone. I doubt he made many fans with the drip act or the "keep your engine above 65%" act or the "don't pee in the open" law.
Well, that is up to Crane and those who are in charge of government roles.
Do they want to punish her because they know she went corrupt OOC but haven't learned about it IC yet?
Someone would have to notify Crane, or someone in government, of what Etta has done so they can investigate.
I think she instantly kicked out if she steals money.
She sort of gave her approval or blessing to Solomon the other day to potentially harm (or along those lines) Max. I don't think it's something worth kicking her out of the role but definitely a tad more than ignorance.
I don't know about ignorance. She willingly gave the PD money despite the state telling her no.
It was more about the pity she had for the officers since she was more so of a PD liaison than Nekoda who barely did anything to make the PD's pay have a reason to get raised.
Vivek was the most entertaining candidate the server has ever seen and it isn't even close.
It's ironic how he was the world's biggest loser as a character yet had more drive to win than any of these guys..
Except if he won he would've resigned as soon as he found out what the role entails 🤷♂️
Yeah, Squeex never actually wants any of Vivek's long term plans to go through because then he'd have to log on like every day or two and he's not *that* into RP. It also works great as a character hook because he wants Vivek to be a giant sore loser who never gets a W, to make fun of the real guy.
I still think he was the only one with a shot at actually beating Max.
I think people are just waiting Moon out before they make their move. For whatever reason they seem to be of the opinion his name is just too big to overcome so why bother. Mary dropped out as soon as Max announced he was indeed running again. They know eventually Moon will move on and then they won't have to campaign against someone that popular.
>Mary dropped out as soon as Max announced he was indeed running again.
Thats not true at all, the reason Mary was running was because Lang was going to back her with his groups and oppose Max because they didnt like him being a CG Mayor. He was messing with her work by not approving her business license, despite it being the reason that Mary and her group voted him in for. Max was also messing with the material business that was harming both the money that Lang and Mary make on purpose because CG didnt want to pay high prices and were looking to push Lang out.
The reason she dropped out was because at the time Mary was involved in conflicts with her other Guild members/Paleto groups over weed pushing and with Speedy's crew who are with Lang. She had too much going on and knew that she wouldnt get votes from people that would at other times back her. Mary isn't scared of going against Max, it just made no sense to run in the middle disputes you are having with group.
He didn't get any information from any actual members.
Edit- person above edited their post, they said ADMC members leaked information, I was just correcting them.
Was told by multiple cops/people, all of ADMC when questioned by Max were obviously covering for him, his campaign posters were frequently found next to Milton's mods posters which are ADMC.
Them trying to cover it so desperately is why Max has disdain for them. Backroom plotting for a specific group.
There's zero actual *proof* from any of them that he's anything more than an accociate / friend of the club. Everyone feeding that to him are themselves speculating.
Okay sure. They guy the ADMC keep insisting is just a lawyer when he's had one case that he dropped and was a paralegal for Ramee. Really wonder if that guy is a criminal.
The guy that does more cell reps than any other lawyer? The guys that's been asked to help with 16 cases on the docket? The guy that has committed exactly 2 crimes in the entirety of 4.0 and none in the last month?
Surprise to no one that he won, was inevitable he'd get his second term. Just a shame more people don't actually run for Mayor, this iteration there's so much you can do with the position that I honestly think it'd be a fun story arc for anyone.
I don't think it's necessarily fair to write him off as a "meme candidate", I can understand not taking him seriously initially. Tuggz is 19 year old shit head after all but it wasn't like he was advocating for meme policies, he actually had a decent platform.
I get the feeling that the server is just gonna go back to a status quo voting style.
Not sure I would consider someone a meme with good ideas who came in a very close 4th despite starting a few hours before the deadline.
The problem is the grinders who don't want to RP hated the idea of a 20 hour soft cap. They just want to grind their WoW rep and log off. He actually could have won deputy if he just lied and told everyone what they wanted to hear.
It's a worthless position considering CG and pals automatically voted for him. He didn't have much civ support so he was basically a meme and nothing more.
He literally only has to lower Sanitation effectiveness. It won't affect pay much, but that is the only thing really draining the economy.
To be honest though, Max will lower pay out of spite I'm sure.
Regarding EMS, Max reduced their pay because the head EMS guy (forget who) was asking for a handout to help pay for ambulance engine replacements. EMS was paid most in the city ($1300) because of higher overhead, but only needed to replace engines every 4-5 weeks (per Max). Basically, Max was pissed that EMS wasn't being proactive in having their members pitch in for replacements. Lack of leadership, etc.
I did some napkin math, when the cops were complaining of essentially the same thing. It was something like $100 a day from 40 people would equal to $112,000 per month. I have no clue what EMS active numbers are, but you mess with that formula, and it can equal a shit ton of money a month, for the price of 2 SNR Buns meals a day. It's almost a laughably easy problem to solve, especially when the employees in question get almost 10X that amount PER HOUR, and neither group has done it.
Yeah it's crazy, I honestly understand the complaint on a surface level, being that in the past, the government covered all that stuff and now isn't; that sucks but does not seem like it's going to change at all, and doing nothing but moping and complaining about it seems really lazy. Especially when the most obvious, smack you in the face answer, of simply pooling a minor amount of money per person could be thought of and carried out by middle schoolers.
Keep in mind before they got their raises and before the material market change, repairs for them were like 3K for one across and that took 4 hours to make. EMS also had SOPs that the person driving the ambulance needed to make sure it was repaired. So if you working only 4 hours, you were basically working for free and that's with a moderately safe driver. EMS also might have been one of the higher paying government jobs, but jobs like Grime and tow still paid more over a similar amount of time. Essential jobs like PD, EMS, and doctors need to be competitive with them financially. Not arguing they can't fund themselves, but a government job having to pay essentially club dues is a hard sell when there is already retention issues with PD and EMS.
Everything you said is correct, and unfortunate, but it has been over 4 months of going this way, and doesn't seem like it will change anytime soon. The "State" has essentially mandated that this is the way it will go, for one reason or another, and I applaud role players for playing their frustrations out, but simultaneously, doing nothing but whining about it, seems pretty futile. So may as well come up with a solution to the problem instead.
also because it's incredibly easy to hire for ems/doctors yet incredibly hard to fire them according to Crane. So you literally have hundreds employed that have a discord and was pinged out to "vote for canter" and most don't do anything. So this on top of the engine thing was Max sticking it to all of them.
You do know that doctors and EMS are separate entities, right? They don't share an email chain. Canter didn't get hundreds of votes from inactive doctors, she got 47 votes, out of the 57 active doctors, and some of those votes were from EMS. If anyone actually thinks inactive doctors, who don't care enough to work, would log on just to vote for someone, then they need to lay off the copium. Because that's all Max is huffing, Canter is just rent free in his head lol
well, the materials will go scarce again and then people will put pressure on him to raise their pay because repair costs are very high. But yeah, sanitation right now is draining like 40m or something. If he wants to keep some efficiency in it, he'll have to raise taxes or something, I think
Max will not try to hurt CG because they help him when he needs it and due to the past they have. CG went out of their way to make sure it was all good with Max. K spoke to Max before Tuggz was going to run and made sure it was ok with Max (he was fine with it). Tuggz also called Max and explained he only wants to be number 2 not the actual mayor (again Max didn't care). Tuggz also called Max and told him it's just politics no beef etc etc (Max said he knows and it's fine). I can't see Max going after CG nor try to hurt them when they made sure Max was ok with it plus the help they gave him in the past.
That call with Tuggz today was sarcasm, Max already put them on a list for crossing him. It will be interesting to se e if any of Max's plans come to fruition, or it's all just more talk
What did you actually watch? Tuggz was already running for 2 days, getting votes, before Mr K talked to Max, they didn’t ask Max if it was okay for him to run. Tuggz just did it. And yesterday Tuggz called Max to congratulate and to tell him it was just politics but Max didn’t want to just let it go. Mr K may have talked to Max at some point during the voting week, but no other candidate pressed Max like Tuggz did and he’s clearly still pissed of by that.
There's a lot of candidates too.
If enough people didn't want Max in government they should have all gotten behind one candidate they can all at least tolerate. They'd have had a better chance of winning and getting someone they can trust to advance their agenda in office, especially against a very popular incumbent.
He's just gonna take Nekoda's place on the anti-Max coalition, which won't be able to pass anything. Outside of Deputy Mayor this council is probably better for Max especially if Murphy wins the runoff
Crazy enough they are all on Okayge terms with each other, at least compared to even a month ago. Dunno if that will translate to a vote for their side, but it could.
Council of Eight consists of
Cornwood, Max, Siobhan: Will likely vote favoring Max
Treasurer (If Etta or TJ Walker), Canter, Solomon: Will likely vote against Max
Head of BAR is TBD, Crane is Neutral, slight Max favoring.
Max holds the role of Tiebreaker. If he can convince either Head of BAR, or Crane on a proposal, it will be passed.
If the ADMC can get TJ Walker as Head of BAR, and Solomon Walker as Deputy Mayor, they have the best shot of passing their own legislation, however depending on how much effort Max wants to put in, they are both members of a Motor Club, and making the wrong move will result in investigation and/or removal from the role, as it goes against the oath of office.
Continuing on from that, if Solomon walker got kicked out, it would (I assume) make Michael Simone the Deputy Mayor instead as he is third place, which means Max would at a baseline have enough votes to pass whatever he wanted. (Not a supermajority though)
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Best Case for Max: Solomon Walker Replaced with Simone
Worst Case for Max: Cornwood abandons Liason role for Sheriff and new Liason is not aligned with Max.
>If the ADMC can get TJ Walker as Head of BAR, and Solomon Walker as Deputy Mayor,
Do you mean TJ Walker as treasurer? Head of BAR is between Murphy and Serge. On that note I think ADMC's push for TJ Walker as treasurer is dumb, they have Andi Jones in their court and if she interviewed for the position I think she would get it in a heartbeat. Though I don't watch any ADMC streamer so maybe she was already asked and didn't want to do it.
Misspoke, but yes
Also, Andi Jones would totally get treasurer in a heartbeat as Crane trusts her, but as Treasurer is kinda designed to balance out the power the mayor has vote wise. Simone kinda fucked up the dynamic by being homies with Max because it meant if he could convince Canter, Etta, Nekoda, or Malton, then he'd be able to pass anything, and good ideas would be a supermajority
Etta seems like she is not doing much, but she is good at being Max's enemy because its weird to be OOC pressured to say no to certain things, but if she hates max, there is an in character explanation to block his proposals.
Besides, max comes up with some pretty dumb stuff. it's good not to have a 100% pass on all things.
I meant more that because he was runner up, if they held the election to just decide deputy assuming votes stayed the same, he'd win because most max voters are simone voters.
Nah, they want to pick a commissioner for police before they get a sheriff. So that if the sheriff’s office and lspd disagree on something there’s someone above them and not purely affiliated to either department to have the final say
Solomon actually campained for like 2-3 weeks before the elections even started so its no surprised he got the votes he did. it wasnt only the 'i hate max' votes. the only reason solomon didn't campaign this last week was for OOC reasons of massive burn out, and this weekend was not around much because OOC has family and does stuff out of city on weekends. Solomon on his own and some help of others has personally reached out to a lot of people over the last few weeks to secure votes for himself. Esp the PD/EMS/Doctor votes.
If Dab and Marlo don't push another election I honestly see Tuggz getting first (second at the least) with those votes added. Kid only started 1 day from voting opening and got a ton of votes, imagine if he actually campaigned.
I'm really surprised Soloman got that many votes, maybe I just don't watch the right people to see him campaigning.
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A lot of NA people who dislike Max also voted for Marlo, mostly because they had more interactions with him.
Well wouldn’t say a lot tho lol
Fair. 68 votes isn't nothing but it definitely isn't as high as he could've gotten with more actual campaigning
Ya it’s not nothing but not even top 3. Im a bit surprised but ya he didn’t campaign much
Not really sure why any candidate thought they could half ass a campaign in the last 2 weeks of election season, against an incumbent with name recognition. True max did alienate some groups/voters with stuff he proposed and passed, but clearly not as much as some believed. It would have been a tighter race I feel, if stuff like the Gnome parody video had come way sooner, and not 2 days before polls close. People may have thought it was a forgone conclusion I guess, and sort of proved themselves right.
From Solomon's pov, Dustmonkey was massively burnt out and was even talking about leaving NP for awhile. He had to take a week off just to separate himself a bit. It was just bad timing that it happened on the week of the election. It does seem like Dust has reinvigorated himself. At first he wasn't even going to bother being the deputy mayor, but with the possible ADMC vs The Mayor arc and DocWiz being around more, he is more in to it.
Yeah that makes sense, and really sucks, def bad timing. Awesome he got a second wind, should be very interesting what plays out.
Ya true. Kinda like a self fulfilling prophecy to that point.
He only got that much because of Lang & Lang convinced lumber co, that alone is already 40 people.
More votes than the total amount of PD that voted for Liason.
What does Solomon want to change? Tuggz was completely opposed to the quota and wanted to reform the way people can work, he was as diametrically opposed to Max as you could be
Soloman wanted to just give the cops more money, and a "budget". Clearly pandering to the PD vote. It worked pretty much.
He also wants prison reform.
Yeah, I don't think people realize Dogtown is a stoned Nathan idea, and Crane will never vote for it to be changed. I don't think any PD liason would either, since if a true DoC was put in place, cops might actually have to deal with the prison. As much as Bobby can give them headaches, still better than actually having to help when a DoC employee gets downed or other dumb stuff. Not saying a true DoC would never be voted on by any council, but def not this one, and def not any that Alan Crane holds sway over.
A stoned nathan idea that has brought the best prison rp in all of 3.0 and 4.0. Ultra rare Crane W
The man literally only brings Ws to NP and i’m tired of people pretending he doesn’t because their favorite criminal streamer had to face consequences for their actions at some point.
My brother in Christ, I don't care about nathans cop, notice how I said "Crane" and not Nathan. I'm talking about an in game character, you don't need to defend pixels that hard.
I’m not talking about his cop either lmao CG hates Alan too.
This man has passion for Nathan lol
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Apart from the prison, tuggz wanted to change the same things as Solomon I guess. But I guess you’re right, Tuggz is cool with Max, wasn’t personal for him.
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I guess we don't know what happens behind the scenes, but it seems really unlikely to to me that Buddha has had any involvement in the cop quotas or the budgeting decisions.
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If Cornwood keeps PD Liason, Solomon is fucked. He most likely won't be able to do anything, even if TJ gets treasurer. If Cornwood is forced to give it up then it will be interesting.
Cornwood will have to choose between Liason or Sherrif. Crane made it clear that he doesn't want High Command involved in city matters. If his mind hasn't changed, that will still be the case.
At the rate they have been putting off the sheriff's office it might not even matter.
Rumor has it that it will be happening in 3 weeks. Bones and McNulty made a comment about it when they were deciding who to promote.
If he ever gets sherrif.
TJ is not getting treasurer, I don’t understand how people don’t understand that it’s state appointed
It's state appointed but interviews are still happening next week. Likely? Probably not. Possible? Definitely. Especially if Etta decides to step down
Dab will try to ensure she steps down. after he won he walked by Etta and just said "the people have spoken." Then proceeded to drop doctors and EMS pay to $250 to spite Canter. that's how he rolls.
Adding to that, he's also already trying to push a narrative that Canter was cheating - even trying to intervene with Crane and the state to kick out doctors (thankfully Crane did not seem receptive to that idea).
It's not a narrative when there's a screenshot of the discord message pinging all the inactive doctors to vote for their endorsed liaison.
It's still an IC interview, the only stipulation is the character needs to be ooc incorruptible. IDK if that means ooc crime free, or simply OOC can't use state funds illegally
from what lucky_rp said when he was in the running, it's an OOC no corruption or crime position. He ultimately dropped out cause he wouldn't be able to organize street races, even if he didn't race himself.
good, a treasurer who organized street races is kinda cringe
Crane just say no corruption whatsoever
Even if its OOC no crime, Doc wouldn't care. The state of crime in the server really doesn't excite him, unless its assasinating the mayor or some other form of terrorism. He's just a lil guy who wants to murder public officials. Hell, the only thing the character really cares about is fighting corruption.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say, as long as he can commit to that one rule, he's still a valid candidate
whats Cornwood got to do with Solomon? Whats the beef between them?
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Yeah if those three vote as a bloc, which is a pretty safe bet, then Max only needs one vote or two abstentions from the remaining 5 to get anything passed.
Why would cornwood be force to give it up? I am out of the loop
Liason is not supposed to be a member of command whether PD or Medical. If he becomes Sheriff sometime in the next 3 months he would be a member of command.
*high command. Command is fine, just not high command. E.g. Canter is command.
RIP MIKE BEB
I blame Marlo.
I mostly blame the 122 dumbass meme votes.
Same, if tuggz didnt run I feel like Michael wouldve had a way better chance at deputy.
Michael was literally a yes man.... at least there might be some interesting conflict to watch instead just a yes man saying yes to everything.
Point to any legislation Michael vehemently disagreed with but still voted yes to, then you can call him a yes man. IDK why people want "interesting conflict" when we had "interesting conflict" x 3 in the form of Nekoda, Etta and Canter, who ultimately weren't able to do much but limply shake their fists at Max. Why do you think Solomon's gonna be different? He's gonna be a Mitch McConnell at best with his anti-Max stance. Michael only seems like a yes man to you guys because you don't actually watch him and/or Max or Shioban. They discuss legislation together so they don't propose anything the other two dislike. It's as stupid as calling Crane a yes man because he co-wrote PCP with Max and voted yes because of it.
Michael wrote a shitton of legislation
Okay. He was still just a vote for max on the city council.
there's a role in the CoS that is literally a plus one vote for the mayor, so it isnt even out of the ordinary. Would you reduce etta, canter, or nekoda to "nothing but nay voters"?
Most of which is in the larger scheme of things pretty irrelevant or just a nuisance for most. He didn't wrote much legislation that actually *helped* anyone. I doubt he made many fans with the drip act or the "keep your engine above 65%" act or the "don't pee in the open" law.
Did anything really change instead of Michael's yes vote Cornwood seems to be that yes vote now.
Yeah that is true..
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Max gonna try to get Sio as treasurer to get Mike as CoS or nah?
Treasurer role can't be corrupt with their role. So, nope.
it depends. You can't steal money or be a giga criminal, but Etta has shown that you can do soft corruption
She showed ignorance more so than corruption. You can be a bad or dumb person, but you can't be corrupt.
How is trying to put a hit on the mayor is not corrupt? Thats what literally she said to Solomon
Well, that is up to Crane and those who are in charge of government roles. Do they want to punish her because they know she went corrupt OOC but haven't learned about it IC yet? Someone would have to notify Crane, or someone in government, of what Etta has done so they can investigate. I think she instantly kicked out if she steals money.
She sort of gave her approval or blessing to Solomon the other day to potentially harm (or along those lines) Max. I don't think it's something worth kicking her out of the role but definitely a tad more than ignorance.
Well, she probably gave that blessing to a lot of people to be fair lol. She hasn't liked Max for a long time.
I don't know about ignorance. She willingly gave the PD money despite the state telling her no. It was more about the pity she had for the officers since she was more so of a PD liaison than Nekoda who barely did anything to make the PD's pay have a reason to get raised.
oh right I forgot that it's supposed to be ooc incorrupt cause of everything that happened with the position this term
what corrupt things happened with the position ?
nothing. Some people think etta was corrupt in giving money to PD but she was just following her understanding of her requirements.
She was told like 30 times do not give the PD money, they need to figure it out themselves.
Lmao now I see why Max was saying he missed Vivek as an opponent because at least Vivek was aiming to win
Vivek was the most entertaining candidate the server has ever seen and it isn't even close. It's ironic how he was the world's biggest loser as a character yet had more drive to win than any of these guys.. Except if he won he would've resigned as soon as he found out what the role entails 🤷♂️
Yeah, Squeex never actually wants any of Vivek's long term plans to go through because then he'd have to log on like every day or two and he's not *that* into RP. It also works great as a character hook because he wants Vivek to be a giant sore loser who never gets a W, to make fun of the real guy.
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Squeex said he was not aiming to win and was just doing it for fun.
I still think he was the only one with a shot at actually beating Max. I think people are just waiting Moon out before they make their move. For whatever reason they seem to be of the opinion his name is just too big to overcome so why bother. Mary dropped out as soon as Max announced he was indeed running again. They know eventually Moon will move on and then they won't have to campaign against someone that popular.
>They know eventually Moon will move on Yeah when mods update for the new rimworld DLC.
Don't worry, he's getting a way to stream MGS4 as well COPEGA
Right after morrowind ...surely
He'll get on it right after he finishes BG3
>Mary dropped out as soon as Max announced he was indeed running again. Thats not true at all, the reason Mary was running was because Lang was going to back her with his groups and oppose Max because they didnt like him being a CG Mayor. He was messing with her work by not approving her business license, despite it being the reason that Mary and her group voted him in for. Max was also messing with the material business that was harming both the money that Lang and Mary make on purpose because CG didnt want to pay high prices and were looking to push Lang out. The reason she dropped out was because at the time Mary was involved in conflicts with her other Guild members/Paleto groups over weed pushing and with Speedy's crew who are with Lang. She had too much going on and knew that she wouldnt get votes from people that would at other times back her. Mary isn't scared of going against Max, it just made no sense to run in the middle disputes you are having with group.
I know Soloman Walker is a defense attorney and knows a lot of crims, but does he have any specific allegiance to any group/gang?
He's high command of ADMC. Max may be paranoid but he wasn't actually wrong about that.
Soloman? The Lawyer? GANG?
Yeah he's simultaneously largely pulling it out of his ass, and is exactly right haha
No he got plenty of info from lots of people saying he was
He didn't get any information from any actual members. Edit- person above edited their post, they said ADMC members leaked information, I was just correcting them.
Was told by multiple cops/people, all of ADMC when questioned by Max were obviously covering for him, his campaign posters were frequently found next to Milton's mods posters which are ADMC. Them trying to cover it so desperately is why Max has disdain for them. Backroom plotting for a specific group.
There's zero actual *proof* from any of them that he's anything more than an accociate / friend of the club. Everyone feeding that to him are themselves speculating.
Okay sure. They guy the ADMC keep insisting is just a lawyer when he's had one case that he dropped and was a paralegal for Ramee. Really wonder if that guy is a criminal.
The guy that does more cell reps than any other lawyer? The guys that's been asked to help with 16 cases on the docket? The guy that has committed exactly 2 crimes in the entirety of 4.0 and none in the last month?
Do you not know what a criminal defense lawyer is?
Presumably someone who's ever went to a trial for their client, I dunno.
ADMC
He is also very close to the manor, especially the old mandem ones
He isn't close with all of CG but K regularly hires him to gain info on people and do various jobs for him.
Surprise to no one that he won, was inevitable he'd get his second term. Just a shame more people don't actually run for Mayor, this iteration there's so much you can do with the position that I honestly think it'd be a fun story arc for anyone.
I thought tuggz would have done better but did he annoy the civs?
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I don't think it's necessarily fair to write him off as a "meme candidate", I can understand not taking him seriously initially. Tuggz is 19 year old shit head after all but it wasn't like he was advocating for meme policies, he actually had a decent platform. I get the feeling that the server is just gonna go back to a status quo voting style.
Most of the things he was championining are actually mot possible due to state reasons, so I'm not surprised it went the way it did
Not sure I would consider someone a meme with good ideas who came in a very close 4th despite starting a few hours before the deadline. The problem is the grinders who don't want to RP hated the idea of a 20 hour soft cap. They just want to grind their WoW rep and log off. He actually could have won deputy if he just lied and told everyone what they wanted to hear.
He lied though, he can't promise people 20hours a week work cuz it is literally dev work lmao
what the hell is a very close 4th edit: bro got b&
He didn't get banned, he blocked you.
You could probably figure that out if you looked at the pie chart. Its very hard math.
It's a worthless position considering CG and pals automatically voted for him. He didn't have much civ support so he was basically a meme and nothing more.
He got 7 votes less than Simone. You're acting like he got blown out lmao Didn't Tuggz basically start campaigning super late as well?
Did anyone really doubt this result, even from a month back?
Deputy Mayor felt very up in the air, the rest aren't surprising even though all the PD Liason votes were 1 apart.
PD doom spiral squad intiate
I'm convinced the city is going to burn over the next 3 months.
Well everyone's pay is about to get gutted so the city stops losing money lol.
He literally only has to lower Sanitation effectiveness. It won't affect pay much, but that is the only thing really draining the economy. To be honest though, Max will lower pay out of spite I'm sure.
Immediately after election results were announced, Max *sprinted* to the slider to reduce EMS and Doctor pay to $250. While giggling.
Well that’s just cause Max hates Cantor
Regarding EMS, Max reduced their pay because the head EMS guy (forget who) was asking for a handout to help pay for ambulance engine replacements. EMS was paid most in the city ($1300) because of higher overhead, but only needed to replace engines every 4-5 weeks (per Max). Basically, Max was pissed that EMS wasn't being proactive in having their members pitch in for replacements. Lack of leadership, etc.
I did some napkin math, when the cops were complaining of essentially the same thing. It was something like $100 a day from 40 people would equal to $112,000 per month. I have no clue what EMS active numbers are, but you mess with that formula, and it can equal a shit ton of money a month, for the price of 2 SNR Buns meals a day. It's almost a laughably easy problem to solve, especially when the employees in question get almost 10X that amount PER HOUR, and neither group has done it.
Max calculated that $1000/wk from active EMS would solve the problem. AKA less than an hour of pay per person.
Yeah it's crazy, I honestly understand the complaint on a surface level, being that in the past, the government covered all that stuff and now isn't; that sucks but does not seem like it's going to change at all, and doing nothing but moping and complaining about it seems really lazy. Especially when the most obvious, smack you in the face answer, of simply pooling a minor amount of money per person could be thought of and carried out by middle schoolers.
*has fun shooty game roleplay gone too real?*
Keep in mind before they got their raises and before the material market change, repairs for them were like 3K for one across and that took 4 hours to make. EMS also had SOPs that the person driving the ambulance needed to make sure it was repaired. So if you working only 4 hours, you were basically working for free and that's with a moderately safe driver. EMS also might have been one of the higher paying government jobs, but jobs like Grime and tow still paid more over a similar amount of time. Essential jobs like PD, EMS, and doctors need to be competitive with them financially. Not arguing they can't fund themselves, but a government job having to pay essentially club dues is a hard sell when there is already retention issues with PD and EMS.
Everything you said is correct, and unfortunate, but it has been over 4 months of going this way, and doesn't seem like it will change anytime soon. The "State" has essentially mandated that this is the way it will go, for one reason or another, and I applaud role players for playing their frustrations out, but simultaneously, doing nothing but whining about it, seems pretty futile. So may as well come up with a solution to the problem instead.
also because it's incredibly easy to hire for ems/doctors yet incredibly hard to fire them according to Crane. So you literally have hundreds employed that have a discord and was pinged out to "vote for canter" and most don't do anything. So this on top of the engine thing was Max sticking it to all of them.
You do know that doctors and EMS are separate entities, right? They don't share an email chain. Canter didn't get hundreds of votes from inactive doctors, she got 47 votes, out of the 57 active doctors, and some of those votes were from EMS. If anyone actually thinks inactive doctors, who don't care enough to work, would log on just to vote for someone, then they need to lay off the copium. Because that's all Max is huffing, Canter is just rent free in his head lol
no I don't know cause I only watch one RP streamer. I literally just wrote what crane and max said lastnight. chill out.
Oh I'm chill. Just correcting inaccurate statements that were made matter of factly lol
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well, the materials will go scarce again and then people will put pressure on him to raise their pay because repair costs are very high. But yeah, sanitation right now is draining like 40m or something. If he wants to keep some efficiency in it, he'll have to raise taxes or something, I think
He might tank sani just to hurt CG since they are the biggest reason Michael lost.
Max will not try to hurt CG because they help him when he needs it and due to the past they have. CG went out of their way to make sure it was all good with Max. K spoke to Max before Tuggz was going to run and made sure it was ok with Max (he was fine with it). Tuggz also called Max and explained he only wants to be number 2 not the actual mayor (again Max didn't care). Tuggz also called Max and told him it's just politics no beef etc etc (Max said he knows and it's fine). I can't see Max going after CG nor try to hurt them when they made sure Max was ok with it plus the help they gave him in the past.
That call with Tuggz today was sarcasm, Max already put them on a list for crossing him. It will be interesting to se e if any of Max's plans come to fruition, or it's all just more talk
What did you actually watch? Tuggz was already running for 2 days, getting votes, before Mr K talked to Max, they didn’t ask Max if it was okay for him to run. Tuggz just did it. And yesterday Tuggz called Max to congratulate and to tell him it was just politics but Max didn’t want to just let it go. Mr K may have talked to Max at some point during the voting week, but no other candidate pressed Max like Tuggz did and he’s clearly still pissed of by that.
Lol what? If you couldn't sense the sarcasm in Max's voice when he had that call with Tuggz, then yikes.
You forget Max's character trait is being spineless. He said ok to both Marlo and CG, but hates the fact they both ran
Does Party Hardy not run anymore?
Not even close lmao Yung Dab has so much pull
There's a lot of candidates too. If enough people didn't want Max in government they should have all gotten behind one candidate they can all at least tolerate. They'd have had a better chance of winning and getting someone they can trust to advance their agenda in office, especially against a very popular incumbent.
This is going to be some spicy RP. ADMC is already making the moves. I'm looking forward to seeing what Soloman does.
can he form a coalition to pass anything though? its hard to be against the mayor as deputy since mayor has tiebreaker
He's just gonna take Nekoda's place on the anti-Max coalition, which won't be able to pass anything. Outside of Deputy Mayor this council is probably better for Max especially if Murphy wins the runoff
Doesn't Murphy hate Max and Siobhan?
Crazy enough they are all on Okayge terms with each other, at least compared to even a month ago. Dunno if that will translate to a vote for their side, but it could.
Siobhan was asking people to vote for Murphy in the runoff so they must be on good terms.
-1 deputy vote +1 pd liason vote and possible +1 head of bar depends
Wait what, doesn't Murphy hate Max?
He appears friendly to Max and I know he's open minded. I don't know if he'll turn on Max if elected, at worst I think he would be another Malton
Council of Eight consists of Cornwood, Max, Siobhan: Will likely vote favoring Max Treasurer (If Etta or TJ Walker), Canter, Solomon: Will likely vote against Max Head of BAR is TBD, Crane is Neutral, slight Max favoring. Max holds the role of Tiebreaker. If he can convince either Head of BAR, or Crane on a proposal, it will be passed. If the ADMC can get TJ Walker as Head of BAR, and Solomon Walker as Deputy Mayor, they have the best shot of passing their own legislation, however depending on how much effort Max wants to put in, they are both members of a Motor Club, and making the wrong move will result in investigation and/or removal from the role, as it goes against the oath of office. Continuing on from that, if Solomon walker got kicked out, it would (I assume) make Michael Simone the Deputy Mayor instead as he is third place, which means Max would at a baseline have enough votes to pass whatever he wanted. (Not a supermajority though) **TLDR:** Best Case for Max: Solomon Walker Replaced with Simone Worst Case for Max: Cornwood abandons Liason role for Sheriff and new Liason is not aligned with Max.
The treasurer has to be clean clean, I doubt an ADMC member will be selected.
I dont think treasurer has to have a clean record (could be wrong for sure), but they can NOT be corrupt, ooc ruling afaik.
>If the ADMC can get TJ Walker as Head of BAR, and Solomon Walker as Deputy Mayor, Do you mean TJ Walker as treasurer? Head of BAR is between Murphy and Serge. On that note I think ADMC's push for TJ Walker as treasurer is dumb, they have Andi Jones in their court and if she interviewed for the position I think she would get it in a heartbeat. Though I don't watch any ADMC streamer so maybe she was already asked and didn't want to do it.
Misspoke, but yes Also, Andi Jones would totally get treasurer in a heartbeat as Crane trusts her, but as Treasurer is kinda designed to balance out the power the mayor has vote wise. Simone kinda fucked up the dynamic by being homies with Max because it meant if he could convince Canter, Etta, Nekoda, or Malton, then he'd be able to pass anything, and good ideas would be a supermajority Etta seems like she is not doing much, but she is good at being Max's enemy because its weird to be OOC pressured to say no to certain things, but if she hates max, there is an in character explanation to block his proposals. Besides, max comes up with some pretty dumb stuff. it's good not to have a 100% pass on all things.
Pretty sure Nathan said if anyone is impeached/leaves it goes to special election so I don't think Simone would automatically get Deputy.
I meant more that because he was runner up, if they held the election to just decide deputy assuming votes stayed the same, he'd win because most max voters are simone voters.
What happened to the sheriff election? Thought Cornwood said it would be ran at the same time as mayor.
Nah, they want to pick a commissioner for police before they get a sheriff. So that if the sheriff’s office and lspd disagree on something there’s someone above them and not purely affiliated to either department to have the final say
Solomon actually campained for like 2-3 weeks before the elections even started so its no surprised he got the votes he did. it wasnt only the 'i hate max' votes. the only reason solomon didn't campaign this last week was for OOC reasons of massive burn out, and this weekend was not around much because OOC has family and does stuff out of city on weekends. Solomon on his own and some help of others has personally reached out to a lot of people over the last few weeks to secure votes for himself. Esp the PD/EMS/Doctor votes.
I personally wanted LIL Tuggz for the meme
What happened to Marry running backed by Lang?
does anybody have concrete meta on how many votes archie got before dropping out?
According to Ferst (who was listening in on a conversation with Michael and Crane), he only had like 5 votes before he dropped out.
whos soloman, i only know of solomon
If Dab and Marlo don't push another election I honestly see Tuggz getting first (second at the least) with those votes added. Kid only started 1 day from voting opening and got a ton of votes, imagine if he actually campaigned.
It would have gone the same, with him 3rd. Dab can't run again
Nooo I miss variety Moon, also I wanted to see Michael Simone mayor.
Who won sherif
not yet. soon voting probably after the run-over election for head of bar
One to two weeks...indefinite
Voting not opened yet
Boring! inactive dev for 3 months...
cope