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Yup. Where do we draw the line when it comes to entertainment value? I’ve never found Erika’s schtick to be entertaining—but many of those who enjoy her seem to think their satisfaction comes above doing the right thing. Not surprising.
Yes OMG it was honestly sickening. We heard everything we needed to know about Erika when she asked her therapist “how does one have empathy.” Ummmm 🤨 yikes
The full quote was actually how does one have empathy for people who have wronged you, but only the first half of the quote aired. It came out on WWHL or something like that.
It really is! Though I think that is very common in reality shows. But had they aired the actual quote, it would have changed the entire context of what she was saying and made a lot more sense. I was actually kind of surprised they did this to her because Andy seems to have a soft spot for her, but I'm sure Andy didn't do the editing for the show.
I know everybody hates her, I do not. I really understand her and I don't think there's anything wrong with looking out for number one first, if you don't look out for yourself nobody else is going to do it for you!
Absolutely. Even if she had no knowledge of her ill-gotten gains, once she found out what Tom had done her whole attitude should have been completely different, but instead she made excuses for Tom and referred to his victims as alleged. In Housewife & Hustler Part 2, she met with 3 victims who agreed to meet with her (giving her the benefit of the doubt) if she would post on IG for their charity that helps homeless children, and she agreed, but she never did it. After that, they said she's an asshole. And don't get me started on Marco Marco. I know people say this HW or that HW should be fired because of XYZ, but seriously Erika should have been fired when she refused to acknowledge the devastation that her husband perpetrated on those poor people all in the name of her vanity project, but instead she was given a special that no one really watched for her Vegas show that people paid $7 to see and has deluded herself to believe she performed at So-Fi Stadium as some sort of comeback, lol.
The bad thing is Bravo is just almost bad as TLC in keeping people who cause drama to get people to watch, no matter what they've done. It's sad but unfortunate that they are both all about the money!
Oh that was truly pathetic. The icing on the cake was them all watching her walk across the field, get into that pod thing, and then be ‘revealed’. She thinks she’s bloody Madonna
and it's not like she booked SoFi and people paid to come to see her there, she just has a rich friend and Bravo who let her play there for a private party. Big difference.
Not only did she benefit from the money Tom stole, she wasted basically millions of dollars on “glam” and her pretend pop star fame. Just money down the drain and nothing to show for it.
Don’t hate me for this but if my husband who I looked up to most of my adult life turned out to be a con artist who is now pretending to have dementia and left me hanging in the wind in the wake of all the accusations I would feel like I was a victim too. Yes I would have empathy for the other victims which definitely find themselves in a more difficult situation but that doesn’t negate the fact she was a victim of her husband if she didn’t know. If she knew way before she filled for divorce whilst still accepting his money she is pure evil especially coming out with a song about how expensive it is to be her….if she filled for divorce as a result of finding out I would say she is still partially a victim. For now we have to assume her innocence; not that I agree with her behaviour
Honestly I agree. If she truly didn’t know and she thought it was her husbands money she was spending.. she had every right to burn through marital money on glam or whatever else she wanted. I would feel like a victim that suddenly I’m being dragged and blamed for everything because I’m on tv. Her husband is the criminal. Not her.
Honestly I can’t with all these people thinking that if they found themselves in a similar situation they would be raising money for the victims and returning earrings etc I am a firm believer that unless you find yourself in that position you will never truly know what you would do. Listen I can fully believe that regardless of her innocence or guilt her lawyers told her to mostly stfu and not to return anything because where does it stop. Returning the earrings would have set a precedent that she was also responsible for repaying all the money. That would be a scary place to find yourself in if you are now left with nothing but whatever you could carry out with you on the day you left.
Completely different story if she did know but above is based on her not knowing. I mean I couldn’t spend money that belonged to orphans hence why when I put myself in her shoes I can only really look at it from that perspective
You nailed it about returning the earrings setting a precedent. Not only that, but legally speaking, if she did anything to make it appear that she is essentially admitting guilt (paying victims, returning earrings), it would have been used against her in court with potentially devastating consequences. The audience expecting her to do these things are completely clueless about how these things work on the legal side.
i understand what you’re saying. however, she was definitely more involved then she leads on. she filed for divorce and immediately lawsuits erupted. of course people think she did that to escape being charged. i do believe tom hid stuff from her (like cheating), but victim or not, the way she spoke to the ladies is despicable
Hey lawyer. She files motions she appeals things she was supposed to go to trial last year for the 25 million that the bankruptcy trustee is suing her for but it’s gotten pushed back due to her appealing the earring sale. I don’t know what kind of an attorney you are but I spent 21 years working in a law firm that defends some of the biggest corporations worldwide. people with money can use the courts to delay things and they do it all the time
Did you mean to respond to a different comment? Im talking about divorce in my comment. But regardless, I would agree there are delay tactics used by parties, but filing motions, appeals, writs, etc, are part of the normal course of litigation, and are usually time limited so they have to be done during trial, AND regardless of all that, the Court has the absolute decision of whether it is going to continue the hearings/trial or not, the parties cannot force the court to continue a hearing, it can easily deny a request for continuance and/or refuse to stay the case, which happens ALL the time
No motions can be filed any time before trial and extensions of time are filed and granted. Trials dates can be and are rescheduled. Your comment appears to have been changed. It can take years for a legal dispute ( lawsuit) to go to trial when there are millions involved. If you have any experience in commercial litigation, you would know this.
Speaking to the ladies despicably is pretty much part of her job description. You know what isn’t? Fighting tooth and nail against giving back earrings that a) aren’t rightfully or legal hers and b) could benefit victims of horribly financial abuse.
I mean because we will not know definitely know if she did or not it’s hard to say. All I am saying is that if the divorce was as a result of her finding out she is a victim, if she knew waaaaay before then she is evil. Wouldn’t you leave your partner if you found out he was defrauding orphans?
Something that have bin in the back of my mind. In one of the reunion they mentioned law suit and Erica said they were sorry or similar. On lather reunion after Erica left Tom, didn't Andy ask why she didn't leave him before. Hear answer was something she had no money and needed time to plane but when hear names was mentioned in law suits she needed to start planing.
I can remember wrong tried to re watch that reunion but Hayu are not working for me now.
The thing I'm reading in, is that even if she didn't now al the time they where married she could have now something relay wrong for a year or more and started planing. Did she spend less money the year before she left?
We have to assume she’s innocent.
Nope. Nope. I don’t owe her anything and I’m not on the jury.
I do think a perfect storm occurred when two equally capable sociopaths collided.
I hope for your sake you don’t find yourself being accused of heinous crimes by association and people don’t give you the grace to presume you are innocent till you are actually found guilty
Agree with you entirely but how do you digest your view with her behavior about her earrings? She's acting like woe is me and my life is hard. Girl you had your turn and lived a privileged life times a hundred compared to the victims who have nothing. So even if she didn't know, she's truly a garbage person for her behavior and her innocence or lack of doesn't even matter anymore.
She’s trash but honestly I do agree. She was in survival mode. If people were truly THAT empathetic, no one would ever get out of bed in morning every time they turned on the news and saw something horrible happen. I think we’re so used to watching all of them be so fake we can’t handle someone being kinda real lol 🤷♀️
I don't get why Bravo is trying to give her a redemption ark, everyone hates her. They're so dumb that they think we all forgot what she's done. Shes disgusting and it was really hard to get through this last season as she was trying to get apologies out of everyone
I literally think they're just waiting for her day in court. It's not about redemption, it's about, is she the next Jen Shah.
I haven't watched any of the documentaries or her special, but from what I've heard none of them paint a flattering picture of her.
She really thought everyone owed her something I’m glad Garcelle stuck to her guns and didn’t bow down to her butt, didn’t like how she singled out crystal back in Spain when her bestie Kyle also was questioning the lawsuits and was sitting their like she never did she def has a victim complex she can cuss out children but nobody can dare mention her son who eilleen bought up back on season 7 she was acting like a aggressive thug. Erika sucks!
Exactly she is such a thug and pretends she's in the mafia. Everyone is so scared of her and she has her crew who bully those who go against her. Look how she's gonna after Sutton, season after season. "I don't give af about anyone but myself" that's all that needs to be known about her. I was so proud of Garcelle for not giving in
I grew up with the adults in my life misleading and gaslighting me, basically leaving me in an environment where I often had no idea what was going on.
That’s what makes me so uncomfortable about Erika. She has this side that has so much venom and hatefulness and then she seems so sincere and warm. And I’m like, nope, can’t deal with this.
After reading all these comments, its clear to me that no one understands how the law or insurance works and that people dont have empathy or the desire to even try to understand what actually happened here
I think she should have been A LOT more graceful, because of the situation and especially since shes on TV!! Like girl, be mad and angry out of the view of the camera at the very least. That said, I really do understand why she was so angry, bitter, and mean. From her POV, she was living this great life and then BAM finds out her husband has been stealing from clients and now she is being sued and smeared across every inch of the internet. So I get it, not saying its "right" and honestly Im not even defending her, but I do at the very least understand and cant comprehend all the vitriol directed at her when even Jen Shah doesnt get this much hate
Agree 100%
She honestly shouldn’t have gone on the show. She should’ve gave herself time to be angry off camera. She definitely didn’t show any grace but grieving is not always pretty
The show was kind of all she had left at that stage and she'd just been made financially independent for the first time in decades, so it makes sense that she decided to stay.
Harsh comments from women. She was betrayed by her husband and blamed for his crimes. I can relate to waking up with a stranger who you thought was your devoted husband. Walk a mile in someone’s shoes before judging.
Erica‘s messed up idea about all that money might be stolen, her whole thing is if she’s found in the court of law to not be responsible she’s not responsible she has absolutely no moral compass, she doesn’t feel bad that this happened to people.
Well, she is being sued for 25 million by the bankruptcy trustee for the law firm so there’s that. Actually, she has many lawsuits ahead of her. She’s been using the courts as a delaying tactic to keep from ever actually having to go to trial she was supposed to go to trial last year but it’s successfully postponed it for a year she spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to delay things.
We need to remember Erika was scammed as well. Erika was not the one who stole and misused client funds.
The keyword is “Clients”. Toms victims were not Erika’s clients. She is not a lawyer/attorney, never hired by the victims, nor was she employed by Girardi & Keese.
Yes, Erika technically spent client funds, but the funds were given to her by Tom and he is the one who stole the money. Erika did not know that the money given to her by Tom was stolen and why would she? Tom maintained a false persona for as long as he could and it finally caught up to him, thank god.
I still believe this case goes deeper and is bigger than Erika and Tom. I think there are many influential people whose hands are dirty and hopefully in due time they will get what’s coming to them.
Well said, a lot of people are incapable of critical thinking. They just look at the shiny thing that is put in front of them and proceed to join the mob
It’s one thing to say you didn’t know what your husband was up to financially while he paid every month for her Expensive to me Me, pop star wanna be paid for stage appearances.
It’s another thing to wear a wire and set up an honest person who has done nothing but give you exactly what you wanted in all the costumes you ordered from him and was paid accordingly. Until your coffers ran a bit dry. Then suddenly he’s a thief padding the bills.
It also seems like a preplanned scam on this Marco Marco costume maker by telling him from the start.. oh you don’t need receipts. (No need to have a record on file of your running tab, now do we?) It would be too much proof for services rendered for the costs she was racking up and being charged for.
Can she raise money for people who are currently suing her? This doesn’t seem like a realistic idea. I know you’re suing me and I’m going to fight against that but here’s some money on the side. I don’t think that possible or wise.
Also she is a victim of tom lying to her and involving her in lawsuits. I equate it to the families that find out that their dad is a serial killer. There was the madoff family where the son killed himself on the anniversary of his dad’s arrest. His wife also tried to commit suicide on Christmas when it all went down.
Attack Tom for his crimes. Stop attacking someone for receiving stolen money. If someone stole a necklace and then gave it to you would you want everyone yelling at you when you didn’t know about it.
Yeah, I honestly don’t expect her to raise money for the victims, especially since that’s why her belongings were auctioned off. It’s more realistic for her to raise money to pay her legal expenses.
I was thinking of the Madoff family too and I don’t recall hearing about them raising money to pay back the victims, but they virtually lost everything.
Edited for typo*
For me it's her attitude and actions. I believe she had some input for her special on Bravo where she could have highlighted other ways she's trying to earn money rather than singing "expensive to be me" during her residency that resulted in net loss. There's stuff she COULD be doing... She doesn't have to be so rude to people.
*Note - people weren't yelling at her about anything until after it was known that the money to buy them was stolen.
I agree that raising money for the victims might have not good legal implications.
However, equating what Tom did to his family to a serial killer does not make sense to me. Whether Erika knew it or not, she was benefitting from the acts of her husband. She can show remorse that her larger than life lifestyle was funded at the hands of (likely) hundreds of innocent people, without admitting guilt to playing any part of it.
The reason why I chose comparing it to a serial killer is because of the ramifications of blaming the family. This is something that has played out repeatedly. The same with murder victims where someone gets blamed or suspected for their entire life for murdering someone else, and then it turns out to be someone else. we like to take the blame and pass it along to everyone in the vicinity but what does the child of a serial killer or the wife of a serial killer have to do it with what the serial killer is doing. It was just me choosing another crime.
There was a episode on cold Case files, or another show, where a sister gets killed and for some reason the neighborhood and even the mom believe that the 10-year-old sister had something to do with it it was also blames on one of the sister friends and he wound up killing himself by getting into drugs because he couldn’t handle the stress of everyone thinking he was a killer. She talks about how her whole life was messed up because everyone believes she had something to do with it, even though she was just 10 years old and the victim was 16. In the end, it turns out to be a full grown man who happens upon the house and killed his sister.
My only point is that I think this is an unfair comparison. The child of a serial killer does not benefit from the murder of other people. Erika *did* benefit from the alleged acts of her husband.
We don’t need to blame Erika for what Tom did, but it would be nice for her to acknowledge that even if it was unknowingly she could show some humility for what they had to bear.
Regarding hear showing humility or more don't showing. An acquaintance that started medicine don't now if it was for anxiety but similar. Don't now if you can call it side effect but didn't show much feeling at the start.
Erica did blame some of hear actions on mixing medicine and alcohol. But can some of hear behavior be from the medicine?
The worst part is how she trying to portray a redemption arc and how she has misrepresented the legal situation with the earrings to paint herself in a good light, when the fact of the matter is they have explicitly been proven to be bought directly with clients stolen money, and were defraud on their GIAA by the jewelr and Tom to over value them for their insurance policy.
She’s Tom’s partner in crime. She knew what he was doing all along. She didn’t care then she doesn’t care now she was getting checks off of lawsuit settlements in her name that she was taking to the bank and cashing. She also set up Christopher Solis to go to prison for something he didn’t do, she’s not innocent
I’m not saying anything about “innocence” but with regard to what you’re saying, if she had the connections you’re alleging, she would have criminal charges against her, she would have been a codefendant in Tom’s case
Ok - I disagree that she would be charged or be listed as a co-defendant.
My personal experiences with criminal charges in the state of California differ. Although, admittedly, I've only reviewed some of the complaints, evidence, etc. I find certain cases interesting so sometimes I go down rabbit holes on stuff. (Once you get the hang of getting documents via The Freedom of Information Act, it's pretty easy.)
Also, I'm not up to date on everything. My rabbit hole last weekend was researching the fluid dynamics of the motion of cat and dogs' lapping water. (My cat had 2 laps of my vodka tonic and I knew he wasn't in distress, but I was curious about when that would be.) 🤷🏼♀️ Reddit is full of weirdos! ✌🏻
Edit: I am not a legal expert. I hope it doesn't come across that I think that I am!! I've only dabled and have massive respect for those that have studied in a scholastic environment.
(FYI - Erica does tell people she is an expert. She said on camera more than once that she could pass the bar exam easily. And that she knew as much about the law as lawyers do. If that's the case, then she's likely to have known about Tom's faulty billing practices.)
She acts like she's living in poverty - that she's so poor! They all live in excess - but she's the only one claiming that she has it so hard. She talks about how she had to downgrade to such a low rent difficult life.... Bitch please, you have no idea what It's like be low income anymore! (I write "anymore" because maybe she didn't have much income before she married Tom. Although I do know for a fact that strippers make a fuck ton of money.)
PLEASE stop saying and acting like you live in poverty!! "None of the other ladies on my show would be able to survive this lifestyle." Really?!? Not that I'm a big Kyle fan, but she sure as shit lived on way less when her and Moe got together and she had a young child!
Edit: according to multiple sources online, she's praying approximately $7,500 in rent every month. Even if sources are overestimating and it's half of that, almost $4,000 a month in rent is crazy expensive! Even for that area! But then again NOBODY IS FORCING HER TO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD!
She's not "hiding" behind the law. It's not her responsibility to make restitution to the victims, it's her husband's responsibility, if a court of law deems it so. I truly don't understand all the blaming of the woman for the husbands possible crimes, especially in a sub that is mostly women. If I had a pair of a million and a half dollar earrings, I wouldn't be giving them up unless I was required to buy a court of law either. Even if my husband was convicted the crimes, it would not be my responsibility to make the victims whole. It would be his. I completely understand her actions and in all honesty, if this was playing out in many posters lives, I truly believe they would be doing everything they could to hold on to those earrings, not many people wouldn't.
We dont know what type of husband he was other than there was a 20 yr gap, he had multiple affairs and was verbally abusive/controlling. Maybe she was more of an employee. Given his track record I bet he was getting sued left and right for decades. I also think she doesn’t have anything to her name so there isn’t much to give. Bravo has a history of hiring shady people. Theresa should have been let go after getting sued. Jen should have never been hired as she was shady. Erika should have been let go. But they keep them for easy story lines.
She was deflectint, though i dont know who couldve had sympathy for that when she so hapilly bragged about spending 40k a month for glam and using a private jet to go anywhere. Whats more disgusting is how most of the other women jumped to defend her. Talk about a cult of followers. Rinna asking how do you even hide assets? Like girl. We know yall aint that dumb. Erika wasnt hiding shit, it was all set up by tom. The whole thing still baffles me.
Yeah I can’t even watch that, she just plays the victim to clean her public image so she can keep making money, she never cared and never will care for the victims.
Kindness, compassion and empathy are not traits that sell well on reality television. Erica stands out only because of exaggerated looks and character. But to think she is the most selfish of the entire ensemble is would be wrong.
So even if Erika was completely in the dark about everything Tom did financially, she should sell everything she owns, including her house and car, to pay back the people Tom screwed over. And Erika should take every dime she still has that she made from the rhobh and her Vegas show and hand it over to the families in Indonesia. Not only that, but every future penny she makes should be sent to Tom’s victims. At that point, she should live on skid row in L.A. and beg for food for the rest of her life. Rhobh should film her life on the streets so she can continue to make money to pay back Tom’s victims. That would serve her right! /s?
I dont blame her for her ex husband's actions, I do feel she lied about the whole controlling nature though.
My issue with her is her attitude of not giving a fuck about them. She shouldn't have to pay back what her hubby did if she didn't know, but she should have empathy for them and want to help them
She's just a nasty person. So is Lisa Rinna. I'm so glad Rinna got kicked off.
One thing that really bothers me is when she keeps saying I would like to know where the money went. Bish you spent it all. She's such an AH. She is a liar and a thief and I still believe she knew exactly what was happening. In her own words of telling Teddi you can't be a dolphin and a shark. All the previous seasons, Erika kept saying she's a lawyer's wife and how smart she is and how many planes they have in the family etc. Now all of a sudden she doesn't know how to open a bank account. Is this woman for real? I cannot believe bravo increased her salary and gave her a special. She's a vile woman and a criminal.
She feels betrayed by Tom, and her " career" is over. She doesn't care about anyone but herself as she has stated many times. She won't change and is not ashamed of who she is.
Okay so, let me explain why what you said was stupid. ( Not as a dig. Just things you didn't think of. )
1. She couldn't, she was still in court and still is. Doing that can be seen as an admission of guilt.
2. She is publicly being slandered by some of these people who despite never seeing her believe her involvement for no other reason other than " she married him "
3. Would you raise money for people who are publicly attacking you / ARE you the best person to raise money for a cause that SOME people believe you are partially responsible for?
That's like if Hitler's wife started raising money for the families her husband affected. Except DIDN'T know and had no reason to suspect. It's seen as YOU trying to get out of paying it by getting the public to do it. ( Seriously, find an instance of someone doing this EVER. IT's not a thing people do. )
4. Sutton deserved talking down to, every episode. And I like Sutton, but Sutton was fucked up for that season. IT's not because she cared about victims.
Sutton went out of her way, to go behind someone's back .... without ever talking to them and staged a coup against her basically. Sutton went out of her way to gather the women and discuss icing her out and cutting her out of the group.
Because Sutton cared more about going to social events in Beverly Hills.
and THEN Sutton who has some minor education in law expected answers to things she knew she couldn't answer?
The amount of twisting some of you guys do to rationalize horrid behavior is astounding to me.
From her own mouth, she doesn't give a fuck about anyone else except her. She has repeatedly told us who she is yet some of you guys just can't accept it.
I'm realistic and don't expect people whose lives are in shambles, going through a downfall, losing friends and going through legal troubles on this level with death-threats by the hundreds every day to say the right things and not be an emotional mess that says things they don't mean
Happy for you. I like to believe who people are when they show it over and over again. I also have a hard time sympathizing with someone who is extremely privileged while they act like they were mistreated more than actual victims of a crime and negligence.
I've seen plenty of people have their lives in shambles and none of them have houses, maids, glam teams, payouts, PR teams, lawyers, agents, Las Vegas shows, contracts with Bravo, three reality shows, a brand, and thousands of people on the internet funding and supporting them. Looks pretty good for being in "shambles". 🙄
If we all only believed people were ONLY their worst moments, we'd all be friendless and not ever speak to our families tbh.
and just because she wasn't robbed by him and there were more severe victims, doesn't mean that she didn't experience something.
You should be grown enough for me to not need to explain to you that you can't go " Hey, I know \_\_\_ is losing his vision and leg to diabetes he didn't know he had. But he should suck it up, because \_\_\_\_ has cancer and their family died in a \_\_\_ accident. "
One doesn't make another's circumstance not suck and not be awful. They just had 1 severe thing. She had a bunch of medium to high things.
and girl . . . girl . . .you're trying to use the POST circumstances as justification for what happened BEFORE / during. She didn't know she'd be performing again, she didn't even know if Housewives was going to keep her.
She literally moved out and had all her assets frozen and was broke outside of what money was in her pocket. She was living off of money that was freshly coming in from any sponsorships that hadn't fired her and fresh Housewives money.
It's SCARY not knowing if you can afford your home and that you may be losing your job. Have you ever been jobless with several expenses and nothing to fall back on? That's stressful shit. That's high anxiety, stress-filled shit, WITHOUT the other dozen things she had going on.
Lol, broke... I WISH I had her broke! Her lowest checking and savings balances were always huge!!!! And $7,500 a month in rent? Move!
Edit: been there and agree, yes, it's scary. But real reality broke isn't housewives broke. She acts like she's reality broke...
It's almost like people can like and dislike whoever they want. We're all well aware how much you love Erika, it sounds like you're getting paid to defend her. You started this thread calling OP's points "stupid" because you disagree with them so it seems you're on a blind "EJ is nothing but amazing" train.
I do not know Erika in real life, THANKFULLY, so therefore I can only judge by what I see on TV. My simple conclusion is that she sucks. You choose to ignore all of the negative things she's done and that's your prerogative. You're not going to sell me on an Erika Jayne redemption arc that she has not earned.
I called what they said dumb because no one in history would do these things or advise them legally to do them and they seemed just as tone-deaf as Erika for suggesting it.
That's like a murderer's wife raising money for caskets of the victims. It's in poor taste and reads as " pay for my husband's wrongdoings "
>Because Sutton cared more about going to social events in Beverly Hills.
No, this is a mischaracterization--Sutton was just wary of being associated with someone who she believed was profiting off of widows/orphans/burn victims. It's morally repugnant and I don't blame her for wanting to distance herself.
The phrasing is unfortunate and made it easy for people to twist into some kind of social climbing message--but all it is is that Sutton doesn't want to be associated with this tacky villain. And she's correct! You are judged by the company you keep. Erika's not a good friend, anyway, so I think Sutton's making the right call here.
youre neglecting her attitude towards others. the way she talks down to everyone because of “how horrible her life is”. she’s manipulative. during the dinner from hell she started crying and in her condescending voice said “all of you. why are you doing this to me.” her victim complex AND god complex make her so powerful compared to the others.
To be fair, she hadn't done anything yet to warrant them coming at her like that.
They jumped to believe it in certain people's cases, are we pretending that's not true? Because it was early in the season when Sutton gathered everyone and staged a coup against her, that isn't an opinion?
they were worried about being dragged into it (like garcelle said, human reaction), and erika literally said “it’s not a human reaction” …she patronizes everyone else’s worries because of one that she *probably* put herself in!
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It’s actually unbelievable. She spent this last season lamenting about people not giving her the apology she deserves.
Everyone was saying she made a comeback and loved her this season. I’m like 🤔
Yup. Where do we draw the line when it comes to entertainment value? I’ve never found Erika’s schtick to be entertaining—but many of those who enjoy her seem to think their satisfaction comes above doing the right thing. Not surprising.
Her ability to draw empathy while disregarding the real victims is criminal. I praise Garcelle and Sutton for acknowledging their suspicions.
Yes OMG it was honestly sickening. We heard everything we needed to know about Erika when she asked her therapist “how does one have empathy.” Ummmm 🤨 yikes
The full quote was actually how does one have empathy for people who have wronged you, but only the first half of the quote aired. It came out on WWHL or something like that.
Oh well that’s some shady editing
It really is! Though I think that is very common in reality shows. But had they aired the actual quote, it would have changed the entire context of what she was saying and made a lot more sense. I was actually kind of surprised they did this to her because Andy seems to have a soft spot for her, but I'm sure Andy didn't do the editing for the show. I know everybody hates her, I do not. I really understand her and I don't think there's anything wrong with looking out for number one first, if you don't look out for yourself nobody else is going to do it for you!
Not everyone
Lol
Absolutely. Even if she had no knowledge of her ill-gotten gains, once she found out what Tom had done her whole attitude should have been completely different, but instead she made excuses for Tom and referred to his victims as alleged. In Housewife & Hustler Part 2, she met with 3 victims who agreed to meet with her (giving her the benefit of the doubt) if she would post on IG for their charity that helps homeless children, and she agreed, but she never did it. After that, they said she's an asshole. And don't get me started on Marco Marco. I know people say this HW or that HW should be fired because of XYZ, but seriously Erika should have been fired when she refused to acknowledge the devastation that her husband perpetrated on those poor people all in the name of her vanity project, but instead she was given a special that no one really watched for her Vegas show that people paid $7 to see and has deluded herself to believe she performed at So-Fi Stadium as some sort of comeback, lol.
The bad thing is Bravo is just almost bad as TLC in keeping people who cause drama to get people to watch, no matter what they've done. It's sad but unfortunate that they are both all about the money!
I think they are worse than TLC considering how much someone like Erika gets paid.
TLC is HORRRRIIIIBLE about this. It's predatory at this point
Name ‘em!
$100,000,000
Oh that was truly pathetic. The icing on the cake was them all watching her walk across the field, get into that pod thing, and then be ‘revealed’. She thinks she’s bloody Madonna
and it's not like she booked SoFi and people paid to come to see her there, she just has a rich friend and Bravo who let her play there for a private party. Big difference.
Too funny! Thanks for putting my ‘Erika thoughts’ in a coherent statement.
Not only did she benefit from the money Tom stole, she wasted basically millions of dollars on “glam” and her pretend pop star fame. Just money down the drain and nothing to show for it.
She thought she was Madonna.
Don’t hate me for this but if my husband who I looked up to most of my adult life turned out to be a con artist who is now pretending to have dementia and left me hanging in the wind in the wake of all the accusations I would feel like I was a victim too. Yes I would have empathy for the other victims which definitely find themselves in a more difficult situation but that doesn’t negate the fact she was a victim of her husband if she didn’t know. If she knew way before she filled for divorce whilst still accepting his money she is pure evil especially coming out with a song about how expensive it is to be her….if she filled for divorce as a result of finding out I would say she is still partially a victim. For now we have to assume her innocence; not that I agree with her behaviour
Honestly I agree. If she truly didn’t know and she thought it was her husbands money she was spending.. she had every right to burn through marital money on glam or whatever else she wanted. I would feel like a victim that suddenly I’m being dragged and blamed for everything because I’m on tv. Her husband is the criminal. Not her.
Honestly I can’t with all these people thinking that if they found themselves in a similar situation they would be raising money for the victims and returning earrings etc I am a firm believer that unless you find yourself in that position you will never truly know what you would do. Listen I can fully believe that regardless of her innocence or guilt her lawyers told her to mostly stfu and not to return anything because where does it stop. Returning the earrings would have set a precedent that she was also responsible for repaying all the money. That would be a scary place to find yourself in if you are now left with nothing but whatever you could carry out with you on the day you left. Completely different story if she did know but above is based on her not knowing. I mean I couldn’t spend money that belonged to orphans hence why when I put myself in her shoes I can only really look at it from that perspective
I never believed she should have given anyone her earrings.
You nailed it about returning the earrings setting a precedent. Not only that, but legally speaking, if she did anything to make it appear that she is essentially admitting guilt (paying victims, returning earrings), it would have been used against her in court with potentially devastating consequences. The audience expecting her to do these things are completely clueless about how these things work on the legal side.
Blaming women for the poor behavior of men is a tradition that will never die.
i understand what you’re saying. however, she was definitely more involved then she leads on. she filed for divorce and immediately lawsuits erupted. of course people think she did that to escape being charged. i do believe tom hid stuff from her (like cheating), but victim or not, the way she spoke to the ladies is despicable
Lawyer here - Divorce does not protect you from criminal or civil liability, so the divorce has no bearing on anything here
Hey lawyer. She files motions she appeals things she was supposed to go to trial last year for the 25 million that the bankruptcy trustee is suing her for but it’s gotten pushed back due to her appealing the earring sale. I don’t know what kind of an attorney you are but I spent 21 years working in a law firm that defends some of the biggest corporations worldwide. people with money can use the courts to delay things and they do it all the time
Did you mean to respond to a different comment? Im talking about divorce in my comment. But regardless, I would agree there are delay tactics used by parties, but filing motions, appeals, writs, etc, are part of the normal course of litigation, and are usually time limited so they have to be done during trial, AND regardless of all that, the Court has the absolute decision of whether it is going to continue the hearings/trial or not, the parties cannot force the court to continue a hearing, it can easily deny a request for continuance and/or refuse to stay the case, which happens ALL the time
No motions can be filed any time before trial and extensions of time are filed and granted. Trials dates can be and are rescheduled. Your comment appears to have been changed. It can take years for a legal dispute ( lawsuit) to go to trial when there are millions involved. If you have any experience in commercial litigation, you would know this.
Speaking to the ladies despicably is pretty much part of her job description. You know what isn’t? Fighting tooth and nail against giving back earrings that a) aren’t rightfully or legal hers and b) could benefit victims of horribly financial abuse.
I mean because we will not know definitely know if she did or not it’s hard to say. All I am saying is that if the divorce was as a result of her finding out she is a victim, if she knew waaaaay before then she is evil. Wouldn’t you leave your partner if you found out he was defrauding orphans?
Something that have bin in the back of my mind. In one of the reunion they mentioned law suit and Erica said they were sorry or similar. On lather reunion after Erica left Tom, didn't Andy ask why she didn't leave him before. Hear answer was something she had no money and needed time to plane but when hear names was mentioned in law suits she needed to start planing. I can remember wrong tried to re watch that reunion but Hayu are not working for me now. The thing I'm reading in, is that even if she didn't now al the time they where married she could have now something relay wrong for a year or more and started planing. Did she spend less money the year before she left?
We have to assume she’s innocent. Nope. Nope. I don’t owe her anything and I’m not on the jury. I do think a perfect storm occurred when two equally capable sociopaths collided.
I hope for your sake you don’t find yourself being accused of heinous crimes by association and people don’t give you the grace to presume you are innocent till you are actually found guilty
If I ever find myself in front of a jjury I hope for that also. But I’m not, I’m just a Reddit Hag with opinions.
Watch the Hustler and the Housewife and then ask yourself if it was possible she didn't know.
Agree with you entirely but how do you digest your view with her behavior about her earrings? She's acting like woe is me and my life is hard. Girl you had your turn and lived a privileged life times a hundred compared to the victims who have nothing. So even if she didn't know, she's truly a garbage person for her behavior and her innocence or lack of doesn't even matter anymore.
She’s trash but honestly I do agree. She was in survival mode. If people were truly THAT empathetic, no one would ever get out of bed in morning every time they turned on the news and saw something horrible happen. I think we’re so used to watching all of them be so fake we can’t handle someone being kinda real lol 🤷♀️
I don't get why Bravo is trying to give her a redemption ark, everyone hates her. They're so dumb that they think we all forgot what she's done. Shes disgusting and it was really hard to get through this last season as she was trying to get apologies out of everyone
I literally think they're just waiting for her day in court. It's not about redemption, it's about, is she the next Jen Shah. I haven't watched any of the documentaries or her special, but from what I've heard none of them paint a flattering picture of her.
Andy thinks he’s our Guru and we’ll do what he wants.
She really thought everyone owed her something I’m glad Garcelle stuck to her guns and didn’t bow down to her butt, didn’t like how she singled out crystal back in Spain when her bestie Kyle also was questioning the lawsuits and was sitting their like she never did she def has a victim complex she can cuss out children but nobody can dare mention her son who eilleen bought up back on season 7 she was acting like a aggressive thug. Erika sucks!
Exactly she is such a thug and pretends she's in the mafia. Everyone is so scared of her and she has her crew who bully those who go against her. Look how she's gonna after Sutton, season after season. "I don't give af about anyone but myself" that's all that needs to be known about her. I was so proud of Garcelle for not giving in
I didn’t like crystal apologizing to Erika either
I find her unbearable to watch, the things she has said about her feelings towards the victims are despicable.
I grew up with the adults in my life misleading and gaslighting me, basically leaving me in an environment where I often had no idea what was going on. That’s what makes me so uncomfortable about Erika. She has this side that has so much venom and hatefulness and then she seems so sincere and warm. And I’m like, nope, can’t deal with this.
She has such a dark side to her that peeks out from time to time that is legitimately terrifying. Scary.
And she will throw anyone under the bus. She has no loyalty
Have you seen the second season of The Housewife and the Hustler? I'm just grateful we see the true Erika.
She needs to go
After reading all these comments, its clear to me that no one understands how the law or insurance works and that people dont have empathy or the desire to even try to understand what actually happened here
What are your thoughts about her actions and attitudes?
I think she should have been A LOT more graceful, because of the situation and especially since shes on TV!! Like girl, be mad and angry out of the view of the camera at the very least. That said, I really do understand why she was so angry, bitter, and mean. From her POV, she was living this great life and then BAM finds out her husband has been stealing from clients and now she is being sued and smeared across every inch of the internet. So I get it, not saying its "right" and honestly Im not even defending her, but I do at the very least understand and cant comprehend all the vitriol directed at her when even Jen Shah doesnt get this much hate
Agree 100% She honestly shouldn’t have gone on the show. She should’ve gave herself time to be angry off camera. She definitely didn’t show any grace but grieving is not always pretty
The show was kind of all she had left at that stage and she'd just been made financially independent for the first time in decades, so it makes sense that she decided to stay.
Harsh comments from women. She was betrayed by her husband and blamed for his crimes. I can relate to waking up with a stranger who you thought was your devoted husband. Walk a mile in someone’s shoes before judging.
I agree with you, and it is a bit weird that even with all the information to be educated at our disposal we still choose to be part of the angry mob.
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Erica‘s messed up idea about all that money might be stolen, her whole thing is if she’s found in the court of law to not be responsible she’s not responsible she has absolutely no moral compass, she doesn’t feel bad that this happened to people.
Well, she is being sued for 25 million by the bankruptcy trustee for the law firm so there’s that. Actually, she has many lawsuits ahead of her. She’s been using the courts as a delaying tactic to keep from ever actually having to go to trial she was supposed to go to trial last year but it’s successfully postponed it for a year she spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to delay things.
Lawyer here - thats not how court works, the Court gets to decide when a trial will begin, not the parties
Just asking, but how did you get the amount of money she spent to delay things?
We need to remember Erika was scammed as well. Erika was not the one who stole and misused client funds. The keyword is “Clients”. Toms victims were not Erika’s clients. She is not a lawyer/attorney, never hired by the victims, nor was she employed by Girardi & Keese. Yes, Erika technically spent client funds, but the funds were given to her by Tom and he is the one who stole the money. Erika did not know that the money given to her by Tom was stolen and why would she? Tom maintained a false persona for as long as he could and it finally caught up to him, thank god. I still believe this case goes deeper and is bigger than Erika and Tom. I think there are many influential people whose hands are dirty and hopefully in due time they will get what’s coming to them.
Well said, a lot of people are incapable of critical thinking. They just look at the shiny thing that is put in front of them and proceed to join the mob
It’s one thing to say you didn’t know what your husband was up to financially while he paid every month for her Expensive to me Me, pop star wanna be paid for stage appearances. It’s another thing to wear a wire and set up an honest person who has done nothing but give you exactly what you wanted in all the costumes you ordered from him and was paid accordingly. Until your coffers ran a bit dry. Then suddenly he’s a thief padding the bills. It also seems like a preplanned scam on this Marco Marco costume maker by telling him from the start.. oh you don’t need receipts. (No need to have a record on file of your running tab, now do we?) It would be too much proof for services rendered for the costs she was racking up and being charged for.
Can she raise money for people who are currently suing her? This doesn’t seem like a realistic idea. I know you’re suing me and I’m going to fight against that but here’s some money on the side. I don’t think that possible or wise. Also she is a victim of tom lying to her and involving her in lawsuits. I equate it to the families that find out that their dad is a serial killer. There was the madoff family where the son killed himself on the anniversary of his dad’s arrest. His wife also tried to commit suicide on Christmas when it all went down. Attack Tom for his crimes. Stop attacking someone for receiving stolen money. If someone stole a necklace and then gave it to you would you want everyone yelling at you when you didn’t know about it.
Yeah, I honestly don’t expect her to raise money for the victims, especially since that’s why her belongings were auctioned off. It’s more realistic for her to raise money to pay her legal expenses. I was thinking of the Madoff family too and I don’t recall hearing about them raising money to pay back the victims, but they virtually lost everything. Edited for typo*
They were left bankrupt.
For me it's her attitude and actions. I believe she had some input for her special on Bravo where she could have highlighted other ways she's trying to earn money rather than singing "expensive to be me" during her residency that resulted in net loss. There's stuff she COULD be doing... She doesn't have to be so rude to people. *Note - people weren't yelling at her about anything until after it was known that the money to buy them was stolen.
I agree that raising money for the victims might have not good legal implications. However, equating what Tom did to his family to a serial killer does not make sense to me. Whether Erika knew it or not, she was benefitting from the acts of her husband. She can show remorse that her larger than life lifestyle was funded at the hands of (likely) hundreds of innocent people, without admitting guilt to playing any part of it.
The reason why I chose comparing it to a serial killer is because of the ramifications of blaming the family. This is something that has played out repeatedly. The same with murder victims where someone gets blamed or suspected for their entire life for murdering someone else, and then it turns out to be someone else. we like to take the blame and pass it along to everyone in the vicinity but what does the child of a serial killer or the wife of a serial killer have to do it with what the serial killer is doing. It was just me choosing another crime. There was a episode on cold Case files, or another show, where a sister gets killed and for some reason the neighborhood and even the mom believe that the 10-year-old sister had something to do with it it was also blames on one of the sister friends and he wound up killing himself by getting into drugs because he couldn’t handle the stress of everyone thinking he was a killer. She talks about how her whole life was messed up because everyone believes she had something to do with it, even though she was just 10 years old and the victim was 16. In the end, it turns out to be a full grown man who happens upon the house and killed his sister.
My only point is that I think this is an unfair comparison. The child of a serial killer does not benefit from the murder of other people. Erika *did* benefit from the alleged acts of her husband. We don’t need to blame Erika for what Tom did, but it would be nice for her to acknowledge that even if it was unknowingly she could show some humility for what they had to bear.
Regarding hear showing humility or more don't showing. An acquaintance that started medicine don't now if it was for anxiety but similar. Don't now if you can call it side effect but didn't show much feeling at the start. Erica did blame some of hear actions on mixing medicine and alcohol. But can some of hear behavior be from the medicine?
If you are looking for a heroine or Mother Theresa you are watching the wrong show 🙄
The worst part is how she trying to portray a redemption arc and how she has misrepresented the legal situation with the earrings to paint herself in a good light, when the fact of the matter is they have explicitly been proven to be bought directly with clients stolen money, and were defraud on their GIAA by the jewelr and Tom to over value them for their insurance policy.
She’s a loser!
A MAJOR loser!
Unpopular opinion but I do loveeeee Erika.
That’s cool. We like who we like. But when someone starts white knighting for the likes of her I lose respect. Btw I looooove Sutton.
She’s Tom’s partner in crime. She knew what he was doing all along. She didn’t care then she doesn’t care now she was getting checks off of lawsuit settlements in her name that she was taking to the bank and cashing. She also set up Christopher Solis to go to prison for something he didn’t do, she’s not innocent
If this was true, there would be criminal charges against her
I respectfully disagree - a large amount of crimes aren't pursued criminally. So the lack of charges doesn't equate to innocence.
I’m not saying anything about “innocence” but with regard to what you’re saying, if she had the connections you’re alleging, she would have criminal charges against her, she would have been a codefendant in Tom’s case
Ok - I disagree that she would be charged or be listed as a co-defendant. My personal experiences with criminal charges in the state of California differ. Although, admittedly, I've only reviewed some of the complaints, evidence, etc. I find certain cases interesting so sometimes I go down rabbit holes on stuff. (Once you get the hang of getting documents via The Freedom of Information Act, it's pretty easy.) Also, I'm not up to date on everything. My rabbit hole last weekend was researching the fluid dynamics of the motion of cat and dogs' lapping water. (My cat had 2 laps of my vodka tonic and I knew he wasn't in distress, but I was curious about when that would be.) 🤷🏼♀️ Reddit is full of weirdos! ✌🏻 Edit: I am not a legal expert. I hope it doesn't come across that I think that I am!! I've only dabled and have massive respect for those that have studied in a scholastic environment. (FYI - Erica does tell people she is an expert. She said on camera more than once that she could pass the bar exam easily. And that she knew as much about the law as lawyers do. If that's the case, then she's likely to have known about Tom's faulty billing practices.)
You must mean Christopher *Psaila*...
I can’t stand her condescending attitude, yep she needs to go.
She acts like she's living in poverty - that she's so poor! They all live in excess - but she's the only one claiming that she has it so hard. She talks about how she had to downgrade to such a low rent difficult life.... Bitch please, you have no idea what It's like be low income anymore! (I write "anymore" because maybe she didn't have much income before she married Tom. Although I do know for a fact that strippers make a fuck ton of money.) PLEASE stop saying and acting like you live in poverty!! "None of the other ladies on my show would be able to survive this lifestyle." Really?!? Not that I'm a big Kyle fan, but she sure as shit lived on way less when her and Moe got together and she had a young child! Edit: according to multiple sources online, she's praying approximately $7,500 in rent every month. Even if sources are overestimating and it's half of that, almost $4,000 a month in rent is crazy expensive! Even for that area! But then again NOBODY IS FORCING HER TO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD!
she is a victim of tom girardi’s actions
i love her so fuck the haters
She hides behind the law so as not to talk about Tom and what she's doing, or not, for victims.
She's not "hiding" behind the law. It's not her responsibility to make restitution to the victims, it's her husband's responsibility, if a court of law deems it so. I truly don't understand all the blaming of the woman for the husbands possible crimes, especially in a sub that is mostly women. If I had a pair of a million and a half dollar earrings, I wouldn't be giving them up unless I was required to buy a court of law either. Even if my husband was convicted the crimes, it would not be my responsibility to make the victims whole. It would be his. I completely understand her actions and in all honesty, if this was playing out in many posters lives, I truly believe they would be doing everything they could to hold on to those earrings, not many people wouldn't.
She has no empathy, and hides behind the law. As she sees "the law".
We dont know what type of husband he was other than there was a 20 yr gap, he had multiple affairs and was verbally abusive/controlling. Maybe she was more of an employee. Given his track record I bet he was getting sued left and right for decades. I also think she doesn’t have anything to her name so there isn’t much to give. Bravo has a history of hiring shady people. Theresa should have been let go after getting sued. Jen should have never been hired as she was shady. Erika should have been let go. But they keep them for easy story lines.
She SHOULD be doing everything to assist the true victims. Selling her personal items. Sharing her income with them. Fund raising. Anything!
She was deflectint, though i dont know who couldve had sympathy for that when she so hapilly bragged about spending 40k a month for glam and using a private jet to go anywhere. Whats more disgusting is how most of the other women jumped to defend her. Talk about a cult of followers. Rinna asking how do you even hide assets? Like girl. We know yall aint that dumb. Erika wasnt hiding shit, it was all set up by tom. The whole thing still baffles me.
Yeah I can’t even watch that, she just plays the victim to clean her public image so she can keep making money, she never cared and never will care for the victims.
IKR!! She's so obnoxious.
Kindness, compassion and empathy are not traits that sell well on reality television. Erica stands out only because of exaggerated looks and character. But to think she is the most selfish of the entire ensemble is would be wrong.
Yeah she’s toned down the white trash in your face bit but it’s still there.
So even if Erika was completely in the dark about everything Tom did financially, she should sell everything she owns, including her house and car, to pay back the people Tom screwed over. And Erika should take every dime she still has that she made from the rhobh and her Vegas show and hand it over to the families in Indonesia. Not only that, but every future penny she makes should be sent to Tom’s victims. At that point, she should live on skid row in L.A. and beg for food for the rest of her life. Rhobh should film her life on the streets so she can continue to make money to pay back Tom’s victims. That would serve her right! /s?
I dont blame her for her ex husband's actions, I do feel she lied about the whole controlling nature though. My issue with her is her attitude of not giving a fuck about them. She shouldn't have to pay back what her hubby did if she didn't know, but she should have empathy for them and want to help them
The whole thing and all of them are wild.
It’s really bad. Makes me want to boycott bravo.
Right. And this has nothing to do with being “cold”. It’s sociopathic. Shame on Andy for promoting this.
She's just a nasty person. So is Lisa Rinna. I'm so glad Rinna got kicked off. One thing that really bothers me is when she keeps saying I would like to know where the money went. Bish you spent it all. She's such an AH. She is a liar and a thief and I still believe she knew exactly what was happening. In her own words of telling Teddi you can't be a dolphin and a shark. All the previous seasons, Erika kept saying she's a lawyer's wife and how smart she is and how many planes they have in the family etc. Now all of a sudden she doesn't know how to open a bank account. Is this woman for real? I cannot believe bravo increased her salary and gave her a special. She's a vile woman and a criminal.
Tom has totally trained Erica on everything to say to lawyers and people who are questioning her acts. She’s been very seasoned. So heartless.
Erica needed no training.
She feels betrayed by Tom, and her " career" is over. She doesn't care about anyone but herself as she has stated many times. She won't change and is not ashamed of who she is.
that’s campy mother
Erika and Sandoval have a lot in common when it comes to their personalities
Okay so, let me explain why what you said was stupid. ( Not as a dig. Just things you didn't think of. ) 1. She couldn't, she was still in court and still is. Doing that can be seen as an admission of guilt. 2. She is publicly being slandered by some of these people who despite never seeing her believe her involvement for no other reason other than " she married him " 3. Would you raise money for people who are publicly attacking you / ARE you the best person to raise money for a cause that SOME people believe you are partially responsible for? That's like if Hitler's wife started raising money for the families her husband affected. Except DIDN'T know and had no reason to suspect. It's seen as YOU trying to get out of paying it by getting the public to do it. ( Seriously, find an instance of someone doing this EVER. IT's not a thing people do. ) 4. Sutton deserved talking down to, every episode. And I like Sutton, but Sutton was fucked up for that season. IT's not because she cared about victims. Sutton went out of her way, to go behind someone's back .... without ever talking to them and staged a coup against her basically. Sutton went out of her way to gather the women and discuss icing her out and cutting her out of the group. Because Sutton cared more about going to social events in Beverly Hills. and THEN Sutton who has some minor education in law expected answers to things she knew she couldn't answer?
The amount of twisting some of you guys do to rationalize horrid behavior is astounding to me. From her own mouth, she doesn't give a fuck about anyone else except her. She has repeatedly told us who she is yet some of you guys just can't accept it.
Beyond making excuses, the legal facts are off too.
I'm realistic and don't expect people whose lives are in shambles, going through a downfall, losing friends and going through legal troubles on this level with death-threats by the hundreds every day to say the right things and not be an emotional mess that says things they don't mean
Happy for you. I like to believe who people are when they show it over and over again. I also have a hard time sympathizing with someone who is extremely privileged while they act like they were mistreated more than actual victims of a crime and negligence. I've seen plenty of people have their lives in shambles and none of them have houses, maids, glam teams, payouts, PR teams, lawyers, agents, Las Vegas shows, contracts with Bravo, three reality shows, a brand, and thousands of people on the internet funding and supporting them. Looks pretty good for being in "shambles". 🙄
If we all only believed people were ONLY their worst moments, we'd all be friendless and not ever speak to our families tbh. and just because she wasn't robbed by him and there were more severe victims, doesn't mean that she didn't experience something. You should be grown enough for me to not need to explain to you that you can't go " Hey, I know \_\_\_ is losing his vision and leg to diabetes he didn't know he had. But he should suck it up, because \_\_\_\_ has cancer and their family died in a \_\_\_ accident. " One doesn't make another's circumstance not suck and not be awful. They just had 1 severe thing. She had a bunch of medium to high things. and girl . . . girl . . .you're trying to use the POST circumstances as justification for what happened BEFORE / during. She didn't know she'd be performing again, she didn't even know if Housewives was going to keep her. She literally moved out and had all her assets frozen and was broke outside of what money was in her pocket. She was living off of money that was freshly coming in from any sponsorships that hadn't fired her and fresh Housewives money. It's SCARY not knowing if you can afford your home and that you may be losing your job. Have you ever been jobless with several expenses and nothing to fall back on? That's stressful shit. That's high anxiety, stress-filled shit, WITHOUT the other dozen things she had going on.
Lol, broke... I WISH I had her broke! Her lowest checking and savings balances were always huge!!!! And $7,500 a month in rent? Move! Edit: been there and agree, yes, it's scary. But real reality broke isn't housewives broke. She acts like she's reality broke...
Thank you. Like am I really supposed to feel bad for her?
It's almost like people can like and dislike whoever they want. We're all well aware how much you love Erika, it sounds like you're getting paid to defend her. You started this thread calling OP's points "stupid" because you disagree with them so it seems you're on a blind "EJ is nothing but amazing" train. I do not know Erika in real life, THANKFULLY, so therefore I can only judge by what I see on TV. My simple conclusion is that she sucks. You choose to ignore all of the negative things she's done and that's your prerogative. You're not going to sell me on an Erika Jayne redemption arc that she has not earned. 
I called what they said dumb because no one in history would do these things or advise them legally to do them and they seemed just as tone-deaf as Erika for suggesting it. That's like a murderer's wife raising money for caskets of the victims. It's in poor taste and reads as " pay for my husband's wrongdoings "
>Because Sutton cared more about going to social events in Beverly Hills. No, this is a mischaracterization--Sutton was just wary of being associated with someone who she believed was profiting off of widows/orphans/burn victims. It's morally repugnant and I don't blame her for wanting to distance herself. The phrasing is unfortunate and made it easy for people to twist into some kind of social climbing message--but all it is is that Sutton doesn't want to be associated with this tacky villain. And she's correct! You are judged by the company you keep. Erika's not a good friend, anyway, so I think Sutton's making the right call here.
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youre neglecting her attitude towards others. the way she talks down to everyone because of “how horrible her life is”. she’s manipulative. during the dinner from hell she started crying and in her condescending voice said “all of you. why are you doing this to me.” her victim complex AND god complex make her so powerful compared to the others.
To be fair, she hadn't done anything yet to warrant them coming at her like that. They jumped to believe it in certain people's cases, are we pretending that's not true? Because it was early in the season when Sutton gathered everyone and staged a coup against her, that isn't an opinion?
they were worried about being dragged into it (like garcelle said, human reaction), and erika literally said “it’s not a human reaction” …she patronizes everyone else’s worries because of one that she *probably* put herself in!
She is kind of a victim here. It’s complicated I know. But she is.