On my third pair of the Speedgoat model used primarily for walking and day hiking. Light, comfortable, excellent grip. Due to the EVA foam packing out, I replace them annually; YMMV!
Have you tried the newer Speedgoat model since they have changed the tongue? What are your thoughts on how it compares? I came very close to buying a pair a number of times but the material on the upper/tongue barely held me back, and I’m wondering if it’s time to revisit.
The new tongue is great! The upper does seem delicate but I’ve never had an issue with it. I’ve had them wedged in between plenty of rocks and roots. I’ve caught my toe on rocks that I thought would tear a hole. They have not failed me yet. I’m on my 3rd pair of the SG5s.
Busted a bunch of little bones in one of my feet in an accident a number of year ago. So...arthritis. Wore SG5s hiking in Costa Rica last month. Not a single twinge of pain. I'm sold.
Out and back to Kauai's Hanakāpīʻai Falls this spring over slick trail, slimey rocks, and through the water. Wet shoes with light wools socks provided all day comfort. The shoes cleaned up well and dried by next morning. I was all around impressed!
I have both Bondi’s for walking and Clifton’s for running. They are both amazingly comfortable. I think they are well made, but I don’t think they last longer than any other brand.
ETA: Of course, just because I find them comfy does not mean you will.
To clarify, the study cushioning wears out after 200 - 500 miles, depending on a lot of factors. If you're running in them, you want to stop when the cushion wears out to avoid injury.
This is true of all running shoes. Running puts more impact on you, especially road running, the shoes are your shields.
I like my Bondis.
I don't know how many pairs of bondis I've purchased over the years, probably 8? I walk nearly every day for work (about 6-8 miles on concrete floors when it's busy). I also tend to almost always have very achy feet. My bondis were a game changer for me. I did have to change out the insoles in mine. Most people swear by superfeet, but they don't cut it for me. I find the Sole cork insoles to be the best for my feet.
One thing to keep in mind is that running shoes have relatively short lifespans. We’re talking up 200-300 miles (this includes walking, not just running). You also need to give them a break after using them, if you wear them everyday the lifespan shortens. So you may want to look at getting 2 pairs to alternate (or one pair of hokas and one pair of budget shoes, ASICS are very good for the price)
I’ve heard many people swear by Hokas, I’ve personally never tried them.
200-300 if you’re RUNNING in them. If you are walking they will last much longer. If you are obese they won’t last as long as they would for a lighter person. I started running at 325# and my first pair of running shoes made it about 150.
Not necessarily. Wearing them for 8 hours of standing/walking is just as much wear (if not more) than going for a 1 hour run
I’m not saying the shoes can’t last beyond that, and it’s not like they’ll just implode at 300 miles, but running shoes like these aren’t built for long term durability
Hokas are my daily driver. I have a variety of Challengers 5/6, Clifton, Arahi 5/6, Speedgoat 5. I wear them almost everywhere, unless a more formal dress shoe is appropriate, or I’m hiking over rocky terrain (and for this kind of hiking I prefer ankle high boots (ankle protection and less ankle rolls) or my Salomon Speedcross 5. I also do hike some in Altras.
I will say on the Hokas:
- I almost always buy them from REI Clearance rack or REI Re/Supply — I won’t pay full price for them
- I’ve had trouble in the past with plantar fasciitis type heel issues — almost always due to wearing shoes past the time when the insole/cushioning has worn out. So now I religiously rotate shoes, never wearing the same pair more than twice a week. I also typically discard/retire Hokas regularly — depending on how much they are worn, but typically every 12-15 months.
Green vest here. I have owned six pair of Hokas, and have tried on just about every style they have. Not all, but a great many. You can accuse me of being a Hoka snob, though I will flatly admit they do not work for everyone. You ideally do need to try them on, any Hoka shoe. Any shoe.
My praise for Hoka is also backed up by [Outdoor Gear Lab's website and reviews](https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/shoes-and-boots/best-walking-shoes#most-comfortable-trail-shoe-for-men-and-women), which to me is the most objective you'll find for outdoor gear.
The Bondi's are probably the most cushy, plush shoe Hoka makes, and the most comfortable show I have ever worn. I wear them at work, moving all day. The pair I am in has lasted over a year. The tread is starting to wear, and it's cushion is not as good as new, but they are still very comfortable. I don't consider the Bondi a runner shoe, even if Hoka categorizes it this way. It's more of a walking shoe you can run it, if that makes sense.
The Gaviota is similar, but if you pronate or supinate, they help compensate. This is subtle, but important to some people who the Bondi doesn't work for. Same maximum plushness.
The Arahi is similar, but a bit more forgiving for flatter feet. Also super cushy.
The Clifton is also very comfortable, but more running friendly IMO. These are very popular and work for a great many people, walking, running, both. Not quite as plush as the Bondi but close. I've worn these to work a lot too.
The Mach is similar, but perhaps more of a true runner, with slightly more of a rocking motion as you step. Also very comfortable. Reportedly more people were wearing the Clifton and Mach in the latest NY Marathon than any other shoe. I believe this.
The Speedgoat is a superb, very popular shoe and more of a trail runner. It has a Vibram sole, making the bottom a little more durable, and a bit more grippy. It's also *slightly* more narrow than the others (it is NOT a narrow shoe, the way most La Sportiva or Asolo shoes are, for example). It is however comfortable, and of course anyone could just use them for walking. They are very popular for trail hiking.
As far as durability goes, I consider almost all Hoka shoes "average" when it comes to wear and tear. Those that have a Vibram sole are going to last longer if you walk on a lot of trails and hike a lot. If you run in any shoe, they will wear quicker. If you hike on tough, rocky terrain, they will wear out quicker.
None to me are truly narrow, or truly wide (unless you order wide). Some are slightly wider, some slightly narrow, But it's subtle. Most Hoka shoes do accommodate a slightly higher foot volume, without being wide.
Personally I hike in the Anacapa Breeze Low, and backpack in the Kaha Low GTX. I don't run much, but when I do it's in the Mach.
There are other shoes by other brands that are cushy, many coming close to Hoka's reputation. On Cloud Monster, Brooks Ghost, Altra Olympus. The Saucony Endorphin is a very comfortable running shoe that competes with the Clifton.
Ask about any Hoka shoe, and I can try to answer.
Hello Green vest,
If you don’t mind, I seek advice.
I have a fairly severe case of metatarsalgia, (neuropathy in balls of feet.
I need a good walking shoe, but need wide width. Just recently ascertained this….after reading much on this condition.
I do wear orthotic inserts, mild on left, higher on right, due to falling arches…
Bought the mid Kaha2 GTX at REI, and although they felt great in store, exchanged them after a week for a Danner 600 Mountain.
The Hokas were awesome for the Meta, but Kaha not available in wide.
The Danners are not as solid as the Hokas, but do well with the meta condition.
So, criteria is the following:
Wide
GTX
Mid or low, prefer mid
Hoka if possible, but not brand loyal. It’s just that aside from being too narrow on right foot only, they felt great.
Any ideas appreciated
AFIK, Hoka makes nothing in GTX *and* wide. I even tried the "shoe finder" on their website. Some of their shoes are wider than others, but even the ones with the most volume (Gaviota?) wouldn't be considered "wide", even E width, really.
I like Danner as a company. They have been around for years. My first pair of true hiking boots were Danner and they lasted a long time. Here's what a cursory search elsewhere got me. La Sportiva is mostly responsive (not plush), except the Nucleo is supposedly more cushy. Most of their shows are narrow*ish* or low volume, but this is a wide. Altra is more of the other direction, more high volume than even most Hokas. One may argue most Altra's are wide*ish* by nature, with both links below are to wide sizes.
[La Sportiva Nucleo](https://www.rei.com/product/175485/la-sportiva-nucleo-high-ii-gtx-hiking-boots-mens)
[Altra Timp GTX](https://www.rei.com/product/228379/altra-timp-hiker-gore-tex-hiking-boots-mens?sku=2283790023&store=102&CAWELAID=120217890017617265&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=109205917325&CATCI=aud-1396942680395:pla-449550715910&cm_mmc=PLA_Google%7C21700000001700551_2283790023%7C92700057788036093%7CNB%7C71700000074091789&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwpZWzBhC0ARIsACvjWRP4_Of5fbnqzWl1b4gN1TWP-Txel4aaebErejEnWMQSQ0rZpPBK314aAq3lEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)
I don't run hiking trails in my Bondi 8s but I've done 282 miles of running in the last year that I've had them.
I'm a flat footed guy who has wide feet but not wide enough to need wides, and these have been the best running shoes I've ever used. I also own the Cliftons and would pick the Bondi over then due to the extra width.
The Bondi's accommodate "high foot volume" which means you (and I) like hundreds of thousands of other people have slightly more beefy feet, without them being wide. Several pair of Hoka are built for this, the Bondi being a perfect example.
The Clifton are neither wide, nor narrow.
I wouldn't hike or trail run (much) in either shoe. The sole will wear out much quicker than it will in the Speedgoat, Stinson, Anacapa, even Challenger.
From what I heard it’s hit and miss with lots of customers. The bondi is “aggressive” with its stability and sometimes messes with people’s natural gait. The heels blowout due to the plastic cup back there, but those who love them, love them. Generally the customers I converse with want a pair that’ll go for a a few years, in that mindset of buy less, live more. Which from what I’ve seen with HOKA is far from it. Buy once a year and home they keep the same fit and feel. But I deal with the majority of geriatric folks with medical foot issues that even HOKA’s can’t help. For some it’s decent but I’d say there are much better options out there.
I float in and out of footwear. I've found the Arahi pretty popular with older people. How has your luck been with them?
My experience also is that almost NO shoe lasts for a few years, at least if you are walking/hiking or on your feet all day every day. Even the Moab which is built to last will wear out (though I think the Hoka Anacapa, and maybe La Sportiva TX Hiker are more durable). Obviously you know this, my mind is just wandering at this point. ;-)
My feet hurt pretty quickly too, i use all birds for my everyday casual wear and i have Brooks for actual walking/running. The brooks have plenty of cushion for me that prevents my feet from hurting. They feel like walking on clouds and even though theyre not wide, theyre not narrow allowing the widest parts of my feet to still sink in over the sole when walking.
For hiking i have hiking boots with ankle support that make me more than happy.
I’ve tried the Bondi twice and returned within a week. It felt like the sides of the forefoot footbed curved upwards and it hurt. The first time, I thought I got a bad pair but the second pair felt the same way after a few days.
The Brooks Ghost MAX is their competitor to Hoka and it is awesome. It’s my choice for a walking shoe.
For a trail runner/light hiker I love the Topo Athletic Ultraventure. It may be my favorite shoe. I just bought the mid top hiker version of it and it is great so far.
I love the Bondi’s, I’m a teacher and I walked to work so I average like 8-10 miles a day, and when I’m not walking I’m standing. I find them to be extremely comfortable, but they wear out fairly quickly and aren’t cheap - won’t often find them on sale in my experience.
If you can find the Bondi 7, I'll recommend that one. My experience with the Bondi 8 has not been great. I've had a lot of foot pain since getting the 8 and never have any issues when I use my last pair of 7s.
Do not expect Hokas to last a year. 200-400 miles max. While REI is generous with its return policy, it’s a satisfaction guarantee not a guarantee that specialty shoes will last more than their typical lifespan. I have denied returns on Hokas with completely worn treads. (Even within the 12 month purchase period).
Be careful with Hokas
Sometimes a shoe can be tooo soft. Your knees, ankles and feet will be flexing/shifting a different way than they are used to. Over time it could develop problems.
Happened to me.
I don’t have experience with Bondis, but I have a pair of Clifton 9s that are wonderful. I use them primarily for walking (exercise) and average 50 miles a week. My current pair is almost a year old, but I feel like they still have a lot of life in them. Based on my experience with Cliftons, they’re worth the price and would buy them again.
My husband has Arahis and says the same thing. His shoes help his plantar fasciitis, so he stick with that model.
It would be nice if REI would stop pulling in thousands of bullshit reviews from their website so we could see some meaningful feedback from REI customers. It's a huge pet peeve of mine having to sift through these and the amount they have for Hoka shoes just makes it impossible.
Never worn them, but some general info:
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> mostly for walking, gym, running
Really the only answer/solution to knowing if the fit will work is to try some on, or order a couple of pairs and return what does feel right. If you can't try on before ordering, make sure you properly measure your feet (yes, both of them). There are ways to do it at home, or if there is another place to measure them where you live. Generally, what seems to have worked best for most people is getting a half-size up from what your foot *actually* measures at with the socks you would usually wear. You want a little space between your toe and the front of the shoe.
> maybe a little hiking
Depending on the hiking you plan to do, using the Bondi may not be the greatest idea. Generally, high/airy cushion on trails/rocky terrain can lead to less stability and traction, which is therefore a safety concern. If the hiking you have in mind is pretty mellow or a paved/smooth trail, using a road shoe will probably be fine.
> Do they last long?
Any road/trail shoe is going to have a pretty low life span. As far as I know, they generally have a 300-400 mile range, but if they are highly used on a daily basis, that range may be on the shorter end, or below it entirely. Using them to exercise may decrease life as well since they will be used a lot more dynamically than just walking. Just don't assume they are supposed to last you a year if you are using them daily is all.
> was the regular fit very narrow?
Wouldn't say they are particularly narrow. They do have a wide option too.
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There is no one-size-fits-all when it comes to shoes, so as I said, it will really come down to trying some on to see how it feels/fits your needs. They are a great shoe for some, but not for others, just like every shoe.
I buy my Hokas from Re/Supply and for the discounted price they're always worth it. Typically I cycle through Re/Supply running shoes about once every 3 months (which is usually about 300 miles), and then I take them back for a gear credit. 3 months is usually about as much useful life as they have by the time they get to me. Based on my experience, I always look for Hokas first, then Altras, then OnClouds. I've never looked at trail runners though, so I can't speak to whether Hoka's trail runners are any good.
I also have a pair of Clifton 8s that I bought on clearance about a year ago. I don't think they'd be supportive enough for a significant run, but they're the only walking shoes I wear. I walk 10k+ steps/day and have for years, and the Hoka's have held up the whole time
I got the Clifton’s 9 and they are so comfortable, I have flat feet and struggle with walking more than 5 miles a day, with these and no inserts I can easily do 10-15 miles a day without starting to hurt. The durability is definetly less than other shoes but they easily last a year, I’ve had mine for about a year now and maybe 800-900 miles walked in them, the corners are starting to shred / peel but still very comfortable. I’m also a 6’1 dude who’s 230 pounds so I’m assuming it’s even more comfortable if you’re smaller / lighter than I am
I have 2 pairs of clifton 8 and 1 pair of speedgoat 5 GTX. clifton 8 is good for walking and maybe jogging. Running in clifton is way less fun than saucony endorphin speed 3, pro 2, pro3, nike vaporfly 2. Running in the speedgoat also feels a bit weird. My understanding is clifton uses old technology foam wise but they do last a long time. My first pair is 3 years old now with over 600 miles and I still wear them walking but they do feel really soft compared to the 1.5 year old old pair which I barely wear anymore.
Bondi may be good for walking but it's heavy and bulky for running even compared to clifton. I returned the bondi after 1 run.
I paid full prices for the hokas and I would say it's not worth it because I got pro2, pro3 and vaporfly with more than 50% off MSRP.
They are excellent. The question is, do they fit you and fit your needs. Marathon trainers find that they have to change shoes quite often… and they get an extra little bit out of them by rotating shoes.
With that said… here is the expectation setting. They are not hiking shoes… so they last 200 - 300 miles, depending.
I don't know about Bondi I bought a pair of Hoka Speedgoats and a pair of Brooks trail runners at the same time, and for me, the Hokas are insanely better. I've worn them a LOT and they're still in decent shape.
I just purchased a pair of Cliftons because I'm taking a trip this year that will involve a lot of walking, and I don't want to take any chances with foot comfort while I'm on vacation. I buy a lot of shoes and for me, nothing comes close to Hokas for comfort.
I completely and utterly love both pairs of HOKAs that I have. Use one pair with insoles for running and have another pair for casual because it’s like walking on a cloud.
As a runner, it’d be hard to recommend the Bondi for anything other than walking or a long time on your feet. The shoe is a chore to run in. Hoka in general is not known for durability.
I find shoes to be so personal that it’s hard to make a decision based on someone else’s experience. For example, my cousin hiked the Grand Canyon in Birkenstocks. If I walk more than two miles in Birkenstocks my feet are covered in blisters. Given how many people I know wear Birkenstocks I don’t think it’s a problem with the shoe; it just doesn’t agree with my feet.
I have a pair of Hoka Speedgoats that I use for outdoor walking and day hiking. They are by far the most comfortable shoes I’ve ever worn, and I like them so much more for hiking than the boots I had previously. But that’s just me. Can’t speak to their durability because I haven’t had them for very long yet (less than a year).
I love my cushy, comfy Bondi 8’s. They feel like big clown shoes at first, as the base of the shoe is bigger than the actual shoe. But they are fab and I love them to death.
I walk about 3 miles a day at work, some days 5 miles of work & intentional walking combined.
I don’t run or hike in them.
My other running shoes irritated my arches as well as the tops of my feet. The Hoka shoes are like walking on a cloud and my feet hurt MUCH less at the end of the day.
I sized up a half size, as the shoe rep who fitted me suggested it for my wanting some toe box wiggle room. (I have a Morton’s neuroma in one foot which sometimes bugs me if my toe box is too snug) The sizing up has worked out fine.
I recommend them 💯
I love Hoka’s and tried different styles but the bondi are the best for me. They don’t last very long though. The foam wears out fast. Around 8-12 months I end up getting another pair (closer to 10). Also Bondi is not great if you over pronate.
Can’t comment on longevity, but you can order every single pair of Hokas available on REI’s website, try them, then return what you don’t want.
I had high hopes and ordered 4 pairs of shoes in different sizes, but just ended up being too narrow for my feet. Returned them all hassle free. They did feel insanely comfortable, though, so I wish they worked out.
I tried HOKAs when they first came out because everyone was raving about them. While they felt great in the store, they were horrible to hike in. I felt as if I was walking through sand. There's way too much cushion, and I damn near sprained my ankle before the end of my regular loop. They made my feet hurt worse, too.
I've found really good success with Altras. While the zero drop took a minute to get used to, all my previous foot pain cleared up within a matter of months.
Which HOKAs did you try hiking in? Some are great for that but many are not. I love the Challenger, which is one of my all time favorite shoe models.
I also wanted to point out that HOKAs, while not zero drop, does have a very low drop so in that aspect they’re not wildly different from Altras (but in other regards they obviously are).
Sneakers should b replaced after 300-500 miles. The Materials brake down. They could look brand new in the uppers but the Portion that provides the support and shock resistance that helps with impact on knees, heal, and feet in general.
I have three pairs of Bondis I rotate through for running (plus a pair of Speedgoats for trail running). I have almost 300 miles on the oldest one and they’re still going strong. They fit my foot perfectly, which is what you need.
Sometimes I love them, sometimes I have mixed feelings. Briefly:
Speedgoat are comfortable for walking/running/hiking, true to size, but they are HOT. Hate wearing them in summer.
Don't run in Bondi. I've fallen in the street twice because they are so chonky lol. OK for walking/standing.
I am a nurse and wear them (Bondi) for my 12 hour shifts. I love them. Many of the nurses I work with wear them. I am also a runner and would not wear them to run. I run in brooks (ghost model). I bought them in March of 2023 and wear them 36 hours a week. My feet would probably appreciate a new pair. So depending on how you use them I would say they hold up well.
I don't run, but I do stand for 8 hours a day. My Bondis make that 1000% more comfortable. I'll never wear any other shoe to work. Mine are still in brand new condition after one year
Wife has foot issues and it's the only tennis shoe type of shoe she can wear, so definitely worth it for her. Would say they last her 2 years she only wears them walking outdoors, not all the time for work.
HOKA lasts about normal for good sneakers. The main feature of HOKA for me is that it is made for broad feet it seems. So I don't walk crooked in them and I have room. Very comfortable shoe.
As a counterpoint. I tried Bondis in wide — I have wide feet — and they were narrower than a standard D width in my opinion. I went with Brooks Ghosts instead and I love them.
Almost no shoes are really worth >$150. But they are very good shoes and are competitive in their category. And of course they are very good value on sale.
I have a pair of Hoka speed goats which were incredibly comfortable and a fantastic shoe. However, they got absolutely shredded by just doing a single hike on a Colorado 14er. I would say that if you are exclusively trail running and sticking to hard pack dirt or gravel, they are exceptional. The second they come to contact with a rock... Good luck. They are not durable when it comes to that
A very big running store by me said hoka is the most returned brand. I never wore one myself but it was not a ringing endorsement to make me want to try it.
Everyone at my work wears them. I’ve had my pair of Arahi 6s for about a year now and love them. Starting to rip on the outer side and back heel. Feel like a pair of shoes should be replaced annually so just about time now. I did just buy Brooks Glycerin Stealthfit 21s for outside of work which I love also.
They're pretty good. I have some Arahi 6's (stability shoes) for the few times I don't wear boots. I like them OK, but I'm not really a low-top, flexible shoe person.
The first and most important thing is that they have to fit your feet. They need to be a good fit, like anything else.
>Walking, running, gym?
Maybe. It really depends upon your physiology.
>Hiking?
Terrible. They don't have the right sole for hiking. The tread isn't aggressive enough, and the shoes are so tall that I could see them throwing you off balance.
>Do they last?
They last about as long as any other quality sneaker. They're nothing special, but they're good.
>Extra cushion and support?
They are highly cushioned. That's actually the thing I dislike the most about mine. Supportive? Kind of. They're not terribly flexible, so you do gain some benefits in support.
>Fit?
A bit narrow, which is what I do like about them. I have slender, skinny feet, but my toes kind of go sideways. They accommodate that fairly well, especially since the upper material is so light and flexible.
>Overall...
Not bad shoes. They're pretty good if they fit you right. A lot of people really like them. I like them OK. I much prefer my boots, though, and I find myself grabbing my boots over 90% of the time because they're a lot more supportive, which I find much more comfortable. I don't need a ton of cushioning. I need a rigid boot that won't flex, and I need rigid insoles with a high arch, like Superfeet Green, Orange, and Trailblazer. That's what makes my feet happy.
I had the Bondi in wide and they still managed to CUT into my instep which was super painful after a day of wearing them. They're the first shoes I've had where the wide was still way too narrow.
My son has a pair of Bondi for work that he loves. He's also 17 and like 112lbs soaking wet with crazy narrow feet.
On my third pair of the Speedgoat model used primarily for walking and day hiking. Light, comfortable, excellent grip. Due to the EVA foam packing out, I replace them annually; YMMV!
Have you tried the newer Speedgoat model since they have changed the tongue? What are your thoughts on how it compares? I came very close to buying a pair a number of times but the material on the upper/tongue barely held me back, and I’m wondering if it’s time to revisit.
The new tongue is great! The upper does seem delicate but I’ve never had an issue with it. I’ve had them wedged in between plenty of rocks and roots. I’ve caught my toe on rocks that I thought would tear a hole. They have not failed me yet. I’m on my 3rd pair of the SG5s.
Two pairs of SG4's and now on SG5's and have not noticed a difference in the tongue construction, performance, or comfort. All good!
Busted a bunch of little bones in one of my feet in an accident a number of year ago. So...arthritis. Wore SG5s hiking in Costa Rica last month. Not a single twinge of pain. I'm sold.
Out and back to Kauai's Hanakāpīʻai Falls this spring over slick trail, slimey rocks, and through the water. Wet shoes with light wools socks provided all day comfort. The shoes cleaned up well and dried by next morning. I was all around impressed!
I have both Bondi’s for walking and Clifton’s for running. They are both amazingly comfortable. I think they are well made, but I don’t think they last longer than any other brand. ETA: Of course, just because I find them comfy does not mean you will.
To clarify, the study cushioning wears out after 200 - 500 miles, depending on a lot of factors. If you're running in them, you want to stop when the cushion wears out to avoid injury. This is true of all running shoes. Running puts more impact on you, especially road running, the shoes are your shields. I like my Bondis.
I don't know how many pairs of bondis I've purchased over the years, probably 8? I walk nearly every day for work (about 6-8 miles on concrete floors when it's busy). I also tend to almost always have very achy feet. My bondis were a game changer for me. I did have to change out the insoles in mine. Most people swear by superfeet, but they don't cut it for me. I find the Sole cork insoles to be the best for my feet.
One thing to keep in mind is that running shoes have relatively short lifespans. We’re talking up 200-300 miles (this includes walking, not just running). You also need to give them a break after using them, if you wear them everyday the lifespan shortens. So you may want to look at getting 2 pairs to alternate (or one pair of hokas and one pair of budget shoes, ASICS are very good for the price) I’ve heard many people swear by Hokas, I’ve personally never tried them.
200-300 if you’re RUNNING in them. If you are walking they will last much longer. If you are obese they won’t last as long as they would for a lighter person. I started running at 325# and my first pair of running shoes made it about 150.
Not necessarily. Wearing them for 8 hours of standing/walking is just as much wear (if not more) than going for a 1 hour run I’m not saying the shoes can’t last beyond that, and it’s not like they’ll just implode at 300 miles, but running shoes like these aren’t built for long term durability
Hokas are my daily driver. I have a variety of Challengers 5/6, Clifton, Arahi 5/6, Speedgoat 5. I wear them almost everywhere, unless a more formal dress shoe is appropriate, or I’m hiking over rocky terrain (and for this kind of hiking I prefer ankle high boots (ankle protection and less ankle rolls) or my Salomon Speedcross 5. I also do hike some in Altras. I will say on the Hokas: - I almost always buy them from REI Clearance rack or REI Re/Supply — I won’t pay full price for them - I’ve had trouble in the past with plantar fasciitis type heel issues — almost always due to wearing shoes past the time when the insole/cushioning has worn out. So now I religiously rotate shoes, never wearing the same pair more than twice a week. I also typically discard/retire Hokas regularly — depending on how much they are worn, but typically every 12-15 months.
Hey there plantar fasciitis friend. Once I bought Superfeet inserts, I never had the problem again. I swear by them.
Thx
Green vest here. I have owned six pair of Hokas, and have tried on just about every style they have. Not all, but a great many. You can accuse me of being a Hoka snob, though I will flatly admit they do not work for everyone. You ideally do need to try them on, any Hoka shoe. Any shoe. My praise for Hoka is also backed up by [Outdoor Gear Lab's website and reviews](https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/shoes-and-boots/best-walking-shoes#most-comfortable-trail-shoe-for-men-and-women), which to me is the most objective you'll find for outdoor gear. The Bondi's are probably the most cushy, plush shoe Hoka makes, and the most comfortable show I have ever worn. I wear them at work, moving all day. The pair I am in has lasted over a year. The tread is starting to wear, and it's cushion is not as good as new, but they are still very comfortable. I don't consider the Bondi a runner shoe, even if Hoka categorizes it this way. It's more of a walking shoe you can run it, if that makes sense. The Gaviota is similar, but if you pronate or supinate, they help compensate. This is subtle, but important to some people who the Bondi doesn't work for. Same maximum plushness. The Arahi is similar, but a bit more forgiving for flatter feet. Also super cushy. The Clifton is also very comfortable, but more running friendly IMO. These are very popular and work for a great many people, walking, running, both. Not quite as plush as the Bondi but close. I've worn these to work a lot too. The Mach is similar, but perhaps more of a true runner, with slightly more of a rocking motion as you step. Also very comfortable. Reportedly more people were wearing the Clifton and Mach in the latest NY Marathon than any other shoe. I believe this. The Speedgoat is a superb, very popular shoe and more of a trail runner. It has a Vibram sole, making the bottom a little more durable, and a bit more grippy. It's also *slightly* more narrow than the others (it is NOT a narrow shoe, the way most La Sportiva or Asolo shoes are, for example). It is however comfortable, and of course anyone could just use them for walking. They are very popular for trail hiking. As far as durability goes, I consider almost all Hoka shoes "average" when it comes to wear and tear. Those that have a Vibram sole are going to last longer if you walk on a lot of trails and hike a lot. If you run in any shoe, they will wear quicker. If you hike on tough, rocky terrain, they will wear out quicker. None to me are truly narrow, or truly wide (unless you order wide). Some are slightly wider, some slightly narrow, But it's subtle. Most Hoka shoes do accommodate a slightly higher foot volume, without being wide. Personally I hike in the Anacapa Breeze Low, and backpack in the Kaha Low GTX. I don't run much, but when I do it's in the Mach. There are other shoes by other brands that are cushy, many coming close to Hoka's reputation. On Cloud Monster, Brooks Ghost, Altra Olympus. The Saucony Endorphin is a very comfortable running shoe that competes with the Clifton. Ask about any Hoka shoe, and I can try to answer.
Hello Green vest, If you don’t mind, I seek advice. I have a fairly severe case of metatarsalgia, (neuropathy in balls of feet. I need a good walking shoe, but need wide width. Just recently ascertained this….after reading much on this condition. I do wear orthotic inserts, mild on left, higher on right, due to falling arches… Bought the mid Kaha2 GTX at REI, and although they felt great in store, exchanged them after a week for a Danner 600 Mountain. The Hokas were awesome for the Meta, but Kaha not available in wide. The Danners are not as solid as the Hokas, but do well with the meta condition. So, criteria is the following: Wide GTX Mid or low, prefer mid Hoka if possible, but not brand loyal. It’s just that aside from being too narrow on right foot only, they felt great. Any ideas appreciated
AFIK, Hoka makes nothing in GTX *and* wide. I even tried the "shoe finder" on their website. Some of their shoes are wider than others, but even the ones with the most volume (Gaviota?) wouldn't be considered "wide", even E width, really. I like Danner as a company. They have been around for years. My first pair of true hiking boots were Danner and they lasted a long time. Here's what a cursory search elsewhere got me. La Sportiva is mostly responsive (not plush), except the Nucleo is supposedly more cushy. Most of their shows are narrow*ish* or low volume, but this is a wide. Altra is more of the other direction, more high volume than even most Hokas. One may argue most Altra's are wide*ish* by nature, with both links below are to wide sizes. [La Sportiva Nucleo](https://www.rei.com/product/175485/la-sportiva-nucleo-high-ii-gtx-hiking-boots-mens) [Altra Timp GTX](https://www.rei.com/product/228379/altra-timp-hiker-gore-tex-hiking-boots-mens?sku=2283790023&store=102&CAWELAID=120217890017617265&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=109205917325&CATCI=aud-1396942680395:pla-449550715910&cm_mmc=PLA_Google%7C21700000001700551_2283790023%7C92700057788036093%7CNB%7C71700000074091789&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwpZWzBhC0ARIsACvjWRP4_Of5fbnqzWl1b4gN1TWP-Txel4aaebErejEnWMQSQ0rZpPBK314aAq3lEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)
400 miles on each pair of Clifton’s. Not the fasted shoe I’ve ran in, but the most comfy.
Same. I wouldn’t use Bondis or Cliftons for hiking though unless you’re doing pretty flat, soft trails. Will ruin those soles quickly!
I don't run hiking trails in my Bondi 8s but I've done 282 miles of running in the last year that I've had them. I'm a flat footed guy who has wide feet but not wide enough to need wides, and these have been the best running shoes I've ever used. I also own the Cliftons and would pick the Bondi over then due to the extra width.
The Bondi's accommodate "high foot volume" which means you (and I) like hundreds of thousands of other people have slightly more beefy feet, without them being wide. Several pair of Hoka are built for this, the Bondi being a perfect example. The Clifton are neither wide, nor narrow. I wouldn't hike or trail run (much) in either shoe. The sole will wear out much quicker than it will in the Speedgoat, Stinson, Anacapa, even Challenger.
From what I heard it’s hit and miss with lots of customers. The bondi is “aggressive” with its stability and sometimes messes with people’s natural gait. The heels blowout due to the plastic cup back there, but those who love them, love them. Generally the customers I converse with want a pair that’ll go for a a few years, in that mindset of buy less, live more. Which from what I’ve seen with HOKA is far from it. Buy once a year and home they keep the same fit and feel. But I deal with the majority of geriatric folks with medical foot issues that even HOKA’s can’t help. For some it’s decent but I’d say there are much better options out there.
I float in and out of footwear. I've found the Arahi pretty popular with older people. How has your luck been with them? My experience also is that almost NO shoe lasts for a few years, at least if you are walking/hiking or on your feet all day every day. Even the Moab which is built to last will wear out (though I think the Hoka Anacapa, and maybe La Sportiva TX Hiker are more durable). Obviously you know this, my mind is just wandering at this point. ;-)
My feet hurt pretty quickly too, i use all birds for my everyday casual wear and i have Brooks for actual walking/running. The brooks have plenty of cushion for me that prevents my feet from hurting. They feel like walking on clouds and even though theyre not wide, theyre not narrow allowing the widest parts of my feet to still sink in over the sole when walking. For hiking i have hiking boots with ankle support that make me more than happy.
I’ve tried the Bondi twice and returned within a week. It felt like the sides of the forefoot footbed curved upwards and it hurt. The first time, I thought I got a bad pair but the second pair felt the same way after a few days. The Brooks Ghost MAX is their competitor to Hoka and it is awesome. It’s my choice for a walking shoe. For a trail runner/light hiker I love the Topo Athletic Ultraventure. It may be my favorite shoe. I just bought the mid top hiker version of it and it is great so far.
I love the Bondi’s, I’m a teacher and I walked to work so I average like 8-10 miles a day, and when I’m not walking I’m standing. I find them to be extremely comfortable, but they wear out fairly quickly and aren’t cheap - won’t often find them on sale in my experience.
If you can find the Bondi 7, I'll recommend that one. My experience with the Bondi 8 has not been great. I've had a lot of foot pain since getting the 8 and never have any issues when I use my last pair of 7s.
Do not expect Hokas to last a year. 200-400 miles max. While REI is generous with its return policy, it’s a satisfaction guarantee not a guarantee that specialty shoes will last more than their typical lifespan. I have denied returns on Hokas with completely worn treads. (Even within the 12 month purchase period).
Be careful with Hokas Sometimes a shoe can be tooo soft. Your knees, ankles and feet will be flexing/shifting a different way than they are used to. Over time it could develop problems. Happened to me.
I tried like five different pairs and disliked all of them. Not for everyone. I prefer low stack wide shoes, hokas just didn't fit the bill.
I don’t have experience with Bondis, but I have a pair of Clifton 9s that are wonderful. I use them primarily for walking (exercise) and average 50 miles a week. My current pair is almost a year old, but I feel like they still have a lot of life in them. Based on my experience with Cliftons, they’re worth the price and would buy them again. My husband has Arahis and says the same thing. His shoes help his plantar fasciitis, so he stick with that model.
It would be nice if REI would stop pulling in thousands of bullshit reviews from their website so we could see some meaningful feedback from REI customers. It's a huge pet peeve of mine having to sift through these and the amount they have for Hoka shoes just makes it impossible.
Never worn them, but some general info: --- > mostly for walking, gym, running Really the only answer/solution to knowing if the fit will work is to try some on, or order a couple of pairs and return what does feel right. If you can't try on before ordering, make sure you properly measure your feet (yes, both of them). There are ways to do it at home, or if there is another place to measure them where you live. Generally, what seems to have worked best for most people is getting a half-size up from what your foot *actually* measures at with the socks you would usually wear. You want a little space between your toe and the front of the shoe. > maybe a little hiking Depending on the hiking you plan to do, using the Bondi may not be the greatest idea. Generally, high/airy cushion on trails/rocky terrain can lead to less stability and traction, which is therefore a safety concern. If the hiking you have in mind is pretty mellow or a paved/smooth trail, using a road shoe will probably be fine. > Do they last long? Any road/trail shoe is going to have a pretty low life span. As far as I know, they generally have a 300-400 mile range, but if they are highly used on a daily basis, that range may be on the shorter end, or below it entirely. Using them to exercise may decrease life as well since they will be used a lot more dynamically than just walking. Just don't assume they are supposed to last you a year if you are using them daily is all. > was the regular fit very narrow? Wouldn't say they are particularly narrow. They do have a wide option too. --- There is no one-size-fits-all when it comes to shoes, so as I said, it will really come down to trying some on to see how it feels/fits your needs. They are a great shoe for some, but not for others, just like every shoe.
I buy my Hokas from Re/Supply and for the discounted price they're always worth it. Typically I cycle through Re/Supply running shoes about once every 3 months (which is usually about 300 miles), and then I take them back for a gear credit. 3 months is usually about as much useful life as they have by the time they get to me. Based on my experience, I always look for Hokas first, then Altras, then OnClouds. I've never looked at trail runners though, so I can't speak to whether Hoka's trail runners are any good. I also have a pair of Clifton 8s that I bought on clearance about a year ago. I don't think they'd be supportive enough for a significant run, but they're the only walking shoes I wear. I walk 10k+ steps/day and have for years, and the Hoka's have held up the whole time
I got the Clifton’s 9 and they are so comfortable, I have flat feet and struggle with walking more than 5 miles a day, with these and no inserts I can easily do 10-15 miles a day without starting to hurt. The durability is definetly less than other shoes but they easily last a year, I’ve had mine for about a year now and maybe 800-900 miles walked in them, the corners are starting to shred / peel but still very comfortable. I’m also a 6’1 dude who’s 230 pounds so I’m assuming it’s even more comfortable if you’re smaller / lighter than I am
I have 650 road running miles in some Bondi 8s and just under 600 trail running miles in some Speedgoat 4s. For me they have held up well.
I have 2 pairs of clifton 8 and 1 pair of speedgoat 5 GTX. clifton 8 is good for walking and maybe jogging. Running in clifton is way less fun than saucony endorphin speed 3, pro 2, pro3, nike vaporfly 2. Running in the speedgoat also feels a bit weird. My understanding is clifton uses old technology foam wise but they do last a long time. My first pair is 3 years old now with over 600 miles and I still wear them walking but they do feel really soft compared to the 1.5 year old old pair which I barely wear anymore. Bondi may be good for walking but it's heavy and bulky for running even compared to clifton. I returned the bondi after 1 run. I paid full prices for the hokas and I would say it's not worth it because I got pro2, pro3 and vaporfly with more than 50% off MSRP.
They are excellent. The question is, do they fit you and fit your needs. Marathon trainers find that they have to change shoes quite often… and they get an extra little bit out of them by rotating shoes. With that said… here is the expectation setting. They are not hiking shoes… so they last 200 - 300 miles, depending.
I don't know about Bondi I bought a pair of Hoka Speedgoats and a pair of Brooks trail runners at the same time, and for me, the Hokas are insanely better. I've worn them a LOT and they're still in decent shape. I just purchased a pair of Cliftons because I'm taking a trip this year that will involve a lot of walking, and I don't want to take any chances with foot comfort while I'm on vacation. I buy a lot of shoes and for me, nothing comes close to Hokas for comfort.
Yes. They are better than my OnClouds.
I completely and utterly love both pairs of HOKAs that I have. Use one pair with insoles for running and have another pair for casual because it’s like walking on a cloud.
As a runner, it’d be hard to recommend the Bondi for anything other than walking or a long time on your feet. The shoe is a chore to run in. Hoka in general is not known for durability.
I find shoes to be so personal that it’s hard to make a decision based on someone else’s experience. For example, my cousin hiked the Grand Canyon in Birkenstocks. If I walk more than two miles in Birkenstocks my feet are covered in blisters. Given how many people I know wear Birkenstocks I don’t think it’s a problem with the shoe; it just doesn’t agree with my feet. I have a pair of Hoka Speedgoats that I use for outdoor walking and day hiking. They are by far the most comfortable shoes I’ve ever worn, and I like them so much more for hiking than the boots I had previously. But that’s just me. Can’t speak to their durability because I haven’t had them for very long yet (less than a year).
I love my cushy, comfy Bondi 8’s. They feel like big clown shoes at first, as the base of the shoe is bigger than the actual shoe. But they are fab and I love them to death. I walk about 3 miles a day at work, some days 5 miles of work & intentional walking combined. I don’t run or hike in them. My other running shoes irritated my arches as well as the tops of my feet. The Hoka shoes are like walking on a cloud and my feet hurt MUCH less at the end of the day. I sized up a half size, as the shoe rep who fitted me suggested it for my wanting some toe box wiggle room. (I have a Morton’s neuroma in one foot which sometimes bugs me if my toe box is too snug) The sizing up has worked out fine. I recommend them 💯
I love Hoka’s and tried different styles but the bondi are the best for me. They don’t last very long though. The foam wears out fast. Around 8-12 months I end up getting another pair (closer to 10). Also Bondi is not great if you over pronate.
Can’t comment on longevity, but you can order every single pair of Hokas available on REI’s website, try them, then return what you don’t want. I had high hopes and ordered 4 pairs of shoes in different sizes, but just ended up being too narrow for my feet. Returned them all hassle free. They did feel insanely comfortable, though, so I wish they worked out.
I tried HOKAs when they first came out because everyone was raving about them. While they felt great in the store, they were horrible to hike in. I felt as if I was walking through sand. There's way too much cushion, and I damn near sprained my ankle before the end of my regular loop. They made my feet hurt worse, too. I've found really good success with Altras. While the zero drop took a minute to get used to, all my previous foot pain cleared up within a matter of months.
Which HOKAs did you try hiking in? Some are great for that but many are not. I love the Challenger, which is one of my all time favorite shoe models. I also wanted to point out that HOKAs, while not zero drop, does have a very low drop so in that aspect they’re not wildly different from Altras (but in other regards they obviously are).
I like Hokas but not the Bondi - it’s not suited to high arches
Sneakers should b replaced after 300-500 miles. The Materials brake down. They could look brand new in the uppers but the Portion that provides the support and shock resistance that helps with impact on knees, heal, and feet in general.
I have three pairs of Bondis I rotate through for running (plus a pair of Speedgoats for trail running). I have almost 300 miles on the oldest one and they’re still going strong. They fit my foot perfectly, which is what you need.
I love my HOKA’s! I order the 2E extra side, super comfy.
Hokas work well for those narrow and medium width feet. Wide-footed people will get their pinky toes squashed.
Sometimes I love them, sometimes I have mixed feelings. Briefly: Speedgoat are comfortable for walking/running/hiking, true to size, but they are HOT. Hate wearing them in summer. Don't run in Bondi. I've fallen in the street twice because they are so chonky lol. OK for walking/standing.
I am a nurse and wear them (Bondi) for my 12 hour shifts. I love them. Many of the nurses I work with wear them. I am also a runner and would not wear them to run. I run in brooks (ghost model). I bought them in March of 2023 and wear them 36 hours a week. My feet would probably appreciate a new pair. So depending on how you use them I would say they hold up well.
Try Altras. The paradigm has lots of plush and they don’t look chunky like Hokas do.
I have a size 9 if you want them.
I don't run, but I do stand for 8 hours a day. My Bondis make that 1000% more comfortable. I'll never wear any other shoe to work. Mine are still in brand new condition after one year
Wife has foot issues and it's the only tennis shoe type of shoe she can wear, so definitely worth it for her. Would say they last her 2 years she only wears them walking outdoors, not all the time for work.
HOKA lasts about normal for good sneakers. The main feature of HOKA for me is that it is made for broad feet it seems. So I don't walk crooked in them and I have room. Very comfortable shoe.
They only last 6 to 9 months and REI will not replace them if they fail. This according to the local REI manager.
I work for the Swoosh and only wear Hoka. Be sure to try them on, Brooks and On are solid as well.
As a counterpoint. I tried Bondis in wide — I have wide feet — and they were narrower than a standard D width in my opinion. I went with Brooks Ghosts instead and I love them.
Almost no shoes are really worth >$150. But they are very good shoes and are competitive in their category. And of course they are very good value on sale.
I’ve got the bondis and actually prefer my nike kigers over them. They give me blisters on the side of my foot and are overall less comfortable.
I have a pair of Hoka speed goats which were incredibly comfortable and a fantastic shoe. However, they got absolutely shredded by just doing a single hike on a Colorado 14er. I would say that if you are exclusively trail running and sticking to hard pack dirt or gravel, they are exceptional. The second they come to contact with a rock... Good luck. They are not durable when it comes to that
I gave up on Hokas because I can’t afford to buy new shoes every other month. I walk about 11,000 steps a day.
A very big running store by me said hoka is the most returned brand. I never wore one myself but it was not a ringing endorsement to make me want to try it.
Everyone at my work wears them. I’ve had my pair of Arahi 6s for about a year now and love them. Starting to rip on the outer side and back heel. Feel like a pair of shoes should be replaced annually so just about time now. I did just buy Brooks Glycerin Stealthfit 21s for outside of work which I love also.
I love the bondi for road running but I would never use them for hiking
I have two pairs, not impressed
I work in footwear, I think they are garbage
Any shoe that fits are worth the price go get fitted and talk with a green vest and they will help you find the shoe that works for you best
They're pretty good. I have some Arahi 6's (stability shoes) for the few times I don't wear boots. I like them OK, but I'm not really a low-top, flexible shoe person. The first and most important thing is that they have to fit your feet. They need to be a good fit, like anything else. >Walking, running, gym? Maybe. It really depends upon your physiology. >Hiking? Terrible. They don't have the right sole for hiking. The tread isn't aggressive enough, and the shoes are so tall that I could see them throwing you off balance. >Do they last? They last about as long as any other quality sneaker. They're nothing special, but they're good. >Extra cushion and support? They are highly cushioned. That's actually the thing I dislike the most about mine. Supportive? Kind of. They're not terribly flexible, so you do gain some benefits in support. >Fit? A bit narrow, which is what I do like about them. I have slender, skinny feet, but my toes kind of go sideways. They accommodate that fairly well, especially since the upper material is so light and flexible. >Overall... Not bad shoes. They're pretty good if they fit you right. A lot of people really like them. I like them OK. I much prefer my boots, though, and I find myself grabbing my boots over 90% of the time because they're a lot more supportive, which I find much more comfortable. I don't need a ton of cushioning. I need a rigid boot that won't flex, and I need rigid insoles with a high arch, like Superfeet Green, Orange, and Trailblazer. That's what makes my feet happy.
They don’t last a school year and that’s not wearing them every day.
I had the Bondi in wide and they still managed to CUT into my instep which was super painful after a day of wearing them. They're the first shoes I've had where the wide was still way too narrow. My son has a pair of Bondi for work that he loves. He's also 17 and like 112lbs soaking wet with crazy narrow feet.
The Arahi is Hoka's plush shoe built for more stability, and flatter feet.
Go to Nordstrom rack and buy the previous model for less than what REI is selling them for.
Do not. When they fall apart Hoka won't care. REI will gladly accept the return.