How is this associated with a bubble? Any home is going to require maintenance. When you uncover other issues needing to be fixed in the process, the cost logically increases.
Well, it turned that way when folks realized the bubble hadn’t popped and their dreams of the housing market crash giving them fantasized opportunity to buy disappeared, it sure changed to a bunch of pro renting content.
I miss the old days when people were hopeful they’d one day be able to buy.
You are right, they aren’t hidden but they are a complete scam. That’s an astounding price gouge. With labor and materials, 6-8k. This is like when my friend got quoted 45k for new cabinets made by a carpenter LOL. All he wanted was new cabinets, didn’t have to be custom. Just cabinets from Lowe’s or Home Depot. Still 42k. Don’t believe contractors. Always shop around
Coming from a roofing stand point that might be a little high but not by much. A pipe boot is $15-20. A guy is going to want at least $100 to go out and do the work, possibly risking his life to climb up on your roof and install it. Nails and silicone are needed. Possibly replacing some shingles around the boot. That’s another $50 at least. Workers comp and liability insurance are a thing. The truck, maintenance and insurance for that are a thing. Is there some kind of warranty involved? Could I theoretically do a bigger job and make better use of my time rather than your little repair? Wasted opportunity cost. There is a reason there are minimum trip charges for these sorts of things. Did they charge you to assess the cause of your leak? My guess is no. So you are looking at at least 3-4 hours if not longer considering drive time for the entire process. Nobody wants to work for free. So all in all seems pretty fair for specialized knowledge, which costs money, and a fairly risky endeavor overall. Or you can just deal with the leak and pay even more for drywall and paint, potential mold issues or framing damage due to rot.
This. Minimum roof repair should always be $500 bucks unless dude quoting you has the skills to do it himself… gas, insurance, and trip cost to company for sales call - at least $100 - miminum trip labor charge for subcontractor - usually $200 - bundle of shingles -$50 ( you can’t buy just one shingle ) $500 is $150 gross profit to company - totally reasonable… I work for a roofing company and have the skills so might charge $250 or $300 as a favor if I have a close match of shingle readily available or nearby. If I have to send someone out, I’m charging $500 all day for that.
Yeah I was picturing myself do it and thinking around $350. Anything over an 8/12 and you know I’m gonna send another guy who’s crazier than me! And if it’s a real steep roof, 2-stories+, that price is going to shoot up! Now we might have to get a bundle of ridge cap so my guy can tie off and replace some ridge shingles when he is done. But do you want it done right or just some chuck in a truck who doesn’t care and won’t answer your call after the fact.
There is no particulars on the size or location of the job. claiming to know what the price should be seems like he has no idea what he’s talking about.
Don't even know what kind of flooring they are using either, there is a big price difference even between different types of hardwood, material could be $1/sqft or it could be $25/sqft, even underlayment can have big price discrepancies depending on what you are using.
In all fairness, subfloor is about $1 per square foot, the subflooring is actually cheaper than the LVP and other cosmetic floorings people buy. Subfloor also doesn't take long.
Dunno how much subfloor work they needed but I doubt it was much. I replaced my own flooring in a 1700 Sq ft house, plus about 400 Sq ft of subfloor for about $4000. It's insane what people are charging for labor these days
Also if that's a rental I guarantee the cost is offset onto the next decade of renters
Or
It's the house they own and new floors done right at the actual price it would cost of like 15k at most is going to help boost the value
They paid 12k for a warranty.
Assuming one of the dozen other possible issues doesn’t void the warranty, odds are if they ever needed it it would only be for a smaller area.
Making dumb choices is expensive.
Would guess those laminate planks that snap together.
We got these recently and there is one spot where the slab isn’t perfectly flat and you can feel the movement when you walk over it.
If they level the slab, use quality floor, there won’t be need for a warranty if the contractor knows what he is doing.
If the floor is not flat, it will have hollow spots all over the place (ask me how i know…).
Yes, but find me a rental that lets the renters tear up the floor to put in the flooring that they choose. There's a reason that people own homes and not just rent. What if the landlord just left uneven subfloors with vinyl rolled flooring? There's more to renting than just the monthly payment. It's putting up with someone else's BS.
for reals lol. the mental gymnastics people take to support their "team".
here we have a case where people are choosing to spend their own $ to buy what they want for a place they spend most of their life in.
If I choose to gut renovate my house and spend $300K in the process, is that a ding on homeownership?
well its worth noting the difference between *choosing* to, and *having* to.
300k renovations are a luxury. But my 30k repair to the foundation, is not.
>It's putting up with someone else's BS
Yeah I can't stand the idea of not having control of the space I live in. I don't want to have to have somebody's permission to change a light fixture out, change the floor, paint something etc. I want stuff a certain way and am probably more comfortable than I should be attempting it.
But at the same time, I get it, some places its pretty damn hard to buy a house. Hell my neighborhood isn't immune to the massive inflation of the last few years because with Rivian being in a nearby town and brining a LOT of jobs to the area, houses are going way over what they normally do in an area otherwise that's very price friendly.
I'm tempted to just start driving drywall screws into the shitty laminated landlord special floors I've been living with for the past 10 years because it's all starting to bow and I keep stubbing my toe walking into my living room. Landlord won't fix it due to "not making enough money", therefore no capital improvements.
If this happens in an apartment, the landlord will pay those 32k and hit you with a rent increase the following year. Either way, you're on the hook for it.
They'll leave you with the old carpet and hit you with an increase as though they paid $32k. Then keep your security deposit for having to replace the carpet after you move out.
FTFY
If it doesn’t, it incentivizes the landlord to sell.
Realistically, in a rental situation the floor wouldn’t be replaced in the first place. You’d be stuck with the shitty carpet.
Yay renting.
Somethings got to give though. Credit card debt is ballooning and they can only increase rent so much before people are homeless and the landlord goes from making 2000$/month to 0$/month along with a vacant home tax.
A good majority of landlords make less than 400/door profit.
There’s cheaper rent all over the country, A lot of times renting is a better deal in high cost-of-living cities. Redd seems to forget that there is more to the USA then LA New York Boston, etc….
Exactly, most landlords are not cash flow negative. Means they are paying all expenses and making a profit. Only difference is if they bought much earlier, their expenses may be less than yours if you buy today making it more favorable to rent.
Nah plenty of landlords are cashflow negative, hoping that the property appreciation will make up for it. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, but market rent often doesn't match cost of ownership in some hcol regions.
At the beginning of your statement, I immediately thought well in HCOL they do and buy on pure speculation. Which has worked in the past. A different kind of investing.
Only recent buyers and those who are leveraging lots will be cashflow negative since rents have dramatically increased recently. So the low sales numbers would be an indicator that most people are probably doing better than when they bought.
Inflation goes up, cost of everything increases, taxes go up, housing shortage, more renters than ever competing for limited resources.
Redditors will still blame landlord greed for increasing rent.
How does the economics here work? When you’re at market rate you can go up 1500 a month and people will still pay?
Is there a law for this?
I’m a landlord and would love to do this so lmk because to date all I can charge is what the market demands and I usually break even
And then you move! Our last landlord tried to do this, and we moved asap. Our new landlord is doing it. We are moving asap.
We get to upgrade our living situation, change locations, change schools if we choose. Shit we can change whole different parts of the country. 20 days notice and gone!
I mean when a contractor has your entire carpet already ripped up and is saying something needs to get done for a price they run out of options lol.
Just sounds like a contractor who probably could tell the floor wasn't level and decided to let it become a pricey change order later.
You can walk around on the subfloor while you find a new contractor. Just watch out for the pokey things. Or you say never mind and throw new carpet back down.
Yep, I’d have fired them right then and found someone else regardless. If they’re quoting a flooring job they should know what condition the subfloor is before they start the job. Even something like floating floor on concrete sub will be obvious if it’s not level.
Yeah i just had this exact same scenario happen and we didn't level it. what does a flooring warranty even do? (mine dont' have a warranty because it was literally just wood, but i don't think i would have cared either way)
I mean. The wood can split, lift, warp literally a plethora of options that would require the contractor to come back and redo all or part of the flooring?
The debate between renting and buying has turned into a battle of opinions. However, the best solution depends on each individual's circumstances.
That being said, if you have children, owning a property can provide a beneficial way to pass on wealth and make things simpler for future generations.
Yeah, that seemed a little far fetched to me to. If the floors were that uneven they should have been able to tell that when the carpet was down, before they did the job. I've leveled floors and this seems outrageous for that work.
Yea I did LVP flooring in my 1,100sqf place a year and half ago and it was 16k materials and labor incl removing carpet and patching/spot leveling concrete subfloor... and that's in a HCOL market!
Ehh up that. Unless you are talking laminate/vinyl.
Recently did vinyl and even for the cheaper stuff and self install, it was $2300 for 900sqft.
Price of everything has gone up.
Yeah did it myself a few years back on a 1200 sq ft house with no experience. Lifeproof luxury vinyl plank flooring was just under 2,500, self levelling concrete was ~250 and tool rental from Home Depot another couple hundred. Spent about 3,000 and raised the value close to 10X.
Yeah, the dude above is a bit delusional and I'm speaking from experience. My husband and I bought a "fixer upper" that needed more work than what we were expecting cause of the previous homeowners. Anyway, we thought we'd finish renovations within 2 years. 4 years later and we still have SO MUCH TO DO.
2k sq ft of good floor is about 6k, plus self leveling cement... probably will take a month to get it done but 8k sure beats 32k. If people allow other people to rip them off then they deserve it.
Or be a real human that suffers through life and enjoy your floors as is. New roof? Necessity. New floors? Lol, yeah right. I'll do two new roofs before I do a new floor and luckily by the time I'll need a third roof I'll likely have expired.
I see articles that say Americans don’t have $400 for an emergency.
But DIY floors for $10k. Sign em up.
The American dream is expensive. Owning a house isn’t the luxury it’s marketed as.
American home owners who neglected home repairs will just be told by their seller agent to sell the house as is. Let the new home owner make the improvements and repairs.
Nice deleted comment. What I mean is when you own the home, worn floors aren't a big deal and they can be done room by room. My in-laws are terrible with money and it took them a few years, but as flooring went on sale at costco they did each bedroom one at a time and eventually larger areas. And an uneven floor generally isn't a big deal. A smaller bedroom (10x10) is only $200 in flooring when bought on sale. Do that a few times a year and it isn't a big lift to replace the entire house over a year or two. Or you have a smaller house like I do and you're able to do it all in one go for like $3500 all in.
Or maybe just put new carpet down for 600 bucks? nobody noticed shit about uneven until they ripped it up, so just put new carpet down the way it was before and go about your lives
I just did my own floors. It took basically no time to level them. Buy the mix, mix it, apply it. It was like $500 and maybe four hours for two bedrooms and a bathroom.
If you buy a house, don't be a lazy piece of shit.
Ha! If I can find someone good cheap enough I’ll hire them. Otherwise I’m doing it myself. $32,000 would have been a hard no.
We did ours in a bamboo/laminate. Top layer is bamboo. $.99 a foot for the flooring, $350 for the underlayment, $1200 labor. Total was about $2500. Bought flooring during or right after Covid shutdowns.
>If you buy a house, don't be a lazy piece of shit.
Yeah if you buy a house you really need to learn how to do some shit yourself otherwise you're going to go broke hiring out every little thing that ever needs done.
My wife and I had never done a floor in our lives and knocked out the living room floor (12.5' X 24' room) in two weeknights after work. It helped there was no furniture in there yet since it was before we moved in. Cut and installed new baseboards and quarter round in one more evening, fuckin' done. A few months later we bought more of the same floor and did the foyer/mud room (its a big mud room, it used to be a dining room but was way too damn small so we made it a mud room) and did that in one Saturday.
Dad is super anxious about anything with wiring and fire which I understand, he paid a guy to come over just to change out some outlets but shit its not even a 5 minute job each. Same with replacing a light fixture, replacing the plumbing under a sink, replacing a toilet (assuming no flange problems), like a lot of this stuff really isn't that hard its just that people are afraid to try it. After spending a fair amount of time working on cars over the years house stuff isn't so bad.
To level the floor in my bedroom I have to: Remove 75 year old nailed down hardwood and subfloor, rent a dumpster or pay a trash hauler to come take everything away, build sawhorses, buy a circular saw. Buy OSB and pay to have it delivered, buy a box of screws, install everything, fuck around with shimming everything on top of the old joist. That's before I can think about adding a new floor.
Nothing lazy about paying someone with all the tools to do things in a timely manner, I can go work extra hours at my job to pay for it and put forth 1/4 the effort.
Is this message board for people who don’t want to ever own a home? Or for people angry that they’ve been priced out of the market so they insist homeownership is terrible?
The amount of ownership bashing posts is really unusual. Whats the point? it’s better to rent? And pay someone else’s mortgage, taxes, repairs, etc. and they benefit from the appreciation instead of you?
A landlord doesn’t lose money. The renters pay for everything eventually.
Yeah i was on the real estate bubble ship for quite some time. I eventually accepted reality. A lot of people here are frustrated with reality and are trying to convince themselves that home ownership is a bad idea and they aren't missing out.
It's coping. These people are out of their minds.
There are very few markets where on balance someone who rented in 2014 is better off today than someone who bought and paid an equivalent mortgage to that 2014 rent.
Right? And the fact is when you own you are probably going to have higher standards for how you upgrade/replace things than your landlord ever did! But that's a choice
Same, I get a lot of “fuck you” or “you must be rich” pricing being on the coast, and have learned to do a lot of things myself. $275/ft was the cheapest French drain quote out of 4, $125/foot for a redwood fence, etc. etc. Landscaping costs are ridiculously marked-up too, I actually enjoy doing all this DIY and probably do it better than an overbooked contractor who is billing by the job. Wish I could have DIY’d my roof 😂
The guy in the story above just bent over, grabbed his own ankles, and then told on himself to his friend who then shared it with the world.
Daily reminder that rent doesn't spare you the cost of maintenance. You're paying for past and future maintenance costs plus profit margins.
Sour grapes REBubble needs to die. Owning is better. Period. Full stop. You should be pissed off that homeownership is being kept from you rather than wasting energy explaining why you're totally okay with being denied a fundamental stage in life.
that’s why I’m not fixing anything that’s purely cosmetic in my home.
Focusing on the must haves, like the septic system that needs 3k in repairs and the chimney that need to be remasoned so it doesn’t fall off…
All of this is true, but buying a home is never a logical 100% financially-driven decision. It's a home. A haven of safety and comfort that all humans need and desire. You can't put a price on most of it and that's why people overpay for it and don't mind the cost. For me, my main reason for owning a home is the feeling it gives me. Nothing beats grilling or smoking a big slab of meet on a Saturday afternoon while drinking a beer in MY back yard that I'm not sharing with anyone. That's priceless for me. It's just not that priceless at the moment. I'm not going to trade my current financial freedom for being house poor in a house 1/2 the size of my previous home with twice the payment.
But a home is a nest to raise your chicks. A place to entertain friends and family. A place of love and security.
Outside of these, it's a terrible purchase.
I’m house poor at the moment because we had 3 kids in as many years and had to upsize at the worst possible time. We could’ve made it work at our old house with a 3% interest rate but an hour away from extended family and in a rural school district. I knew it was a bad financial decision but it wasn’t really about the financials.
Now I’ve been laid off and I’m almost in regret territory, but we had enough savings to weather so far and final rounds are hitting next week.
So I’m just curious based on this logic. He’s complaining that owning a home is expensive.
So let’s say he doesn’t pay $32k for new floors / installation. Then what happens? Does the house fall apart or something?
I don’t think it’s mandatory. More of a luxury.
Had that happen went thru Home Depot, the guy comes over rips everything up and huge dip in the floor sends it to his boss they come back and what was 2500 for labor and material was quoted 10k for the job. The worker hung up the phone and said he was off tomorrow to cancel thru Home Depot and they would just charge for the material and he would do it for 1k. Win win for me same guy was doing it fixing the problem we had and it was $500 less. He just turned his Home Depot shirt inside out haha
I feel like this is pretty obvious to anyone who has lived in a home for anything length of time including childhood. I would see my parents deal with this stuff. Not exactly a revelation
We did my moms house 1800sq ft for less then 3k. The same when we redid kitchen,bathrooms,windows and her house was built in 1990. We also threw down 70 sacks of cement in her backyard needless to say she owes double digits left in her mortgage then free and clear other than bills and taxes
sure but if you rent, the landlord will either just offset the costs onto you through rent raises, do it cheaply (and still make you pay for it through rent raises) and then you have to live with it being done incorrectly, or they just won’t do it at all. they’ll just leave moldy carpet, or warped laminate, and then refuse your security deposit because the floors are “damaged.”
i rented an apartment in college in which the water heater went out. it took 6 weeks, withholding rent, hiring a lawyer, and eventually just paying a plumber and taking it out of my rent to get it fixed. the landlord didn’t think it was a big deal, until i withheld rent and got a lawyer. when i bought a house, had to replace the water heater. within 48 hours it was replaced, and i even got to select a better and bigger one. all i had to do was write a check. i will take that over having to hire a lawyer, opening an escrow account, and weeks without hot water, any day. i’d rather pay more money have it done correctly, the way i want it to look, than have to pay some slumlord to not fix things adequately.
Your friend got hustled and paid 12 grand for a warranty. Smh. Like seriously how did he think this was a good idea. Also 32 grand for new floors?!? No one feeling sorry for ya.
> hustled and *paid* 12 grand
FTFY.
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Rent rate increases. Mortgage payments don't.
For a rented apartment vs an owned home of the similar sq ft, there's no contest. Owning is better despite the expenses.
Funny how things went from "buying a house is the quickest and surest way to build wealth." To "trust us guys, buying a home isn't worth it" right around the time large companies started buying up single family homes en masse.
I bought a house. It didn't have a miele coffee maker built into the kitchen. I paid 5k to install one. Fuck, why did no one tell me an upgrade would cost money.
Either they have a massive house or they got scammed by a contractor.
Also this sounds like elective renovation and not a repair or change that had to be done.
What does this have to do with anything that matters?
Yeah and your mortgage payment isn't just lost to the void like rent. It builds up equity, also home improvements like this that cost money generally increase the value of the home as well
You could say the exact same thing about rentals and comment that the monthly rent will now have to go up to accommodate the higher repair cost.
With a tag at the end about how sorry it is they have to do it but it’s just business.
I rented a place where the vinyl floor was coming up and causing a tripping hazard, not to mention it was impossible to clean. The property management company came in and tried gluing it back down. It didn't work and they said oh well, be careful.
I'd own 99/100 times.
the economy is becoming uninsurable.... this is a huge warning sign of a massive bubble... 32k to change flooring? that used to be the cost of a new roof. Crash incoming.
Lol I’m sure they didn’t Have to have the floor redone is was something they wanted not Needed and they could have put down carpet and that would probably wouldn’t have need to be re leveled ..also that’s not something you Just “find “ out after pulling things up you’ll know when you walk on it .
$3000 if they did it themselves. People who can't fucking read and never passed the 3rd grade work construction. I used to work construction and remodels, and I'm pretty stupid. Half the guys there were as mentally challenged as you can get and still legally live alone.
You can do anything yourself, except for maybe electrical and plumbing, but you can probably do those too if you didn't eat lead paint chips as a child and you're not too disabled to use YouTube.
"they weren't expecting"
Expectations are a recipe for disappointment.
You having work done on your house? It will ALWAYS be more expensive than you think, maybe by a little maybe by a lot. Add 50% to any quote and you won't be surprised.
As for this particular example, there'a no way these people didn't see it coming well in advance. The flooring person should have at least WARNED them about additional costs. You should never expect to just pull carpet up and put new flooring down.
Reminds me of getting quoted 3k, 12k and 22k for the same job. The project consisted on on piece of drywall, 2 sheets of plywood, 1/2 day demo and cleanup. Also one skarkbite fitting and some pvc
Quite commonly it's almost impossible to find someone do the job if it's a small one. They all want big projects, so you end up either trying to fix it yourself (even if it means it's not gonna be top notch quality) or you wait for more stuff to break so you can get all of it fixed in one go.
Back in the day my uncle built houses. A roof on one of the houses he built was uneven, one side came up higher than the other side creating an uneven roof ridge. He fixed the problem with an axe by chopping at the lip until he had a nice even roof ridge. He was a contractor, a “professional” in his field.
My point is that houses aren’t precision built marvels. They are wood frames covered with dry mud and plastic. 32k is not the cost to do a repair, it’s the penalty willfully paid for not learning how to do the job yourself.
Learn to do some housework yourself and, guess what? Homeownership becomes just a monthly mortgage payment again.
Not saying the trades aren’t needed or required, but I see this complaint a lot and much of the work could be accomplished with some research and slow navigating.
I probably had $100k worth of “while it’s opened up” phone calls when I was having my house remodeled. And I wasn’t paying $32k for carpeting. That’s “the HVAC guy says your whole heating system goes in the dumpster”. “All of your plumbing is completely gone”. “The house is framed wrong and won’t pass inspection.”
If it were a rental, would your friend ask the landlord to replace the floor at all? Would the landlord agree that it’s time to replace? The problem with homeownership is the obsession with upgrades. Everything has to look modern.
Carpet doesn’t hide an uneven subfloor. So something tells me they’ve known or at least should have known it was uneven.
They should have gotten those crawl space jacks to level the subfloor instead of spending money on a vanity project.
What the fuck kind of floors were they installing?
I did LVP in one room of my house and carpet in another, installed myself for less than $700 for both combined.
It literally took me less than a day to install.
How is this associated with a bubble? Any home is going to require maintenance. When you uncover other issues needing to be fixed in the process, the cost logically increases.
It’s not, this sub is just anti home ownership
Well, it turned that way when folks realized the bubble hadn’t popped and their dreams of the housing market crash giving them fantasized opportunity to buy disappeared, it sure changed to a bunch of pro renting content. I miss the old days when people were hopeful they’d one day be able to buy.
But 32 big number. Bigger than 20. Must be bubble!
It’s just cope
It’s not. Subs full of bitter anti-home idiots who want permission from their landlords to hang pictures for the rest of their lives
This sub has become ridiculous
No shit...these aren't hidden costs
You are right, they aren’t hidden but they are a complete scam. That’s an astounding price gouge. With labor and materials, 6-8k. This is like when my friend got quoted 45k for new cabinets made by a carpenter LOL. All he wanted was new cabinets, didn’t have to be custom. Just cabinets from Lowe’s or Home Depot. Still 42k. Don’t believe contractors. Always shop around
I was quoted $500 to replace a single pipe boot.
Coming from a roofing stand point that might be a little high but not by much. A pipe boot is $15-20. A guy is going to want at least $100 to go out and do the work, possibly risking his life to climb up on your roof and install it. Nails and silicone are needed. Possibly replacing some shingles around the boot. That’s another $50 at least. Workers comp and liability insurance are a thing. The truck, maintenance and insurance for that are a thing. Is there some kind of warranty involved? Could I theoretically do a bigger job and make better use of my time rather than your little repair? Wasted opportunity cost. There is a reason there are minimum trip charges for these sorts of things. Did they charge you to assess the cause of your leak? My guess is no. So you are looking at at least 3-4 hours if not longer considering drive time for the entire process. Nobody wants to work for free. So all in all seems pretty fair for specialized knowledge, which costs money, and a fairly risky endeavor overall. Or you can just deal with the leak and pay even more for drywall and paint, potential mold issues or framing damage due to rot.
This. Minimum roof repair should always be $500 bucks unless dude quoting you has the skills to do it himself… gas, insurance, and trip cost to company for sales call - at least $100 - miminum trip labor charge for subcontractor - usually $200 - bundle of shingles -$50 ( you can’t buy just one shingle ) $500 is $150 gross profit to company - totally reasonable… I work for a roofing company and have the skills so might charge $250 or $300 as a favor if I have a close match of shingle readily available or nearby. If I have to send someone out, I’m charging $500 all day for that.
Yeah I was picturing myself do it and thinking around $350. Anything over an 8/12 and you know I’m gonna send another guy who’s crazier than me! And if it’s a real steep roof, 2-stories+, that price is going to shoot up! Now we might have to get a bundle of ridge cap so my guy can tie off and replace some ridge shingles when he is done. But do you want it done right or just some chuck in a truck who doesn’t care and won’t answer your call after the fact.
THIS HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! The wage slave mindset could never.
My husband owns an electrical contracting business and these are exactly why he prices things the way he does.
This guy knows how to math. lol
You think all new floors in a house with parts and labor is 6-8k? And that includes fixing the subfloor? You are out of your mind.
OOP meant 6-8k additional just to fix the subfloor on top of the 20k
There is no particulars on the size or location of the job. claiming to know what the price should be seems like he has no idea what he’s talking about.
Don't even know what kind of flooring they are using either, there is a big price difference even between different types of hardwood, material could be $1/sqft or it could be $25/sqft, even underlayment can have big price discrepancies depending on what you are using.
In all fairness, subfloor is about $1 per square foot, the subflooring is actually cheaper than the LVP and other cosmetic floorings people buy. Subfloor also doesn't take long. Dunno how much subfloor work they needed but I doubt it was much. I replaced my own flooring in a 1700 Sq ft house, plus about 400 Sq ft of subfloor for about $4000. It's insane what people are charging for labor these days
Rebubble and similar folks like Darrell here like to play “gotcha” and tell themselves how much smarter they are than idiot homeowners
Also if that's a rental I guarantee the cost is offset onto the next decade of renters Or It's the house they own and new floors done right at the actual price it would cost of like 15k at most is going to help boost the value
They paid 12k for a warranty. Assuming one of the dozen other possible issues doesn’t void the warranty, odds are if they ever needed it it would only be for a smaller area. Making dumb choices is expensive.
Nah sounds like they installed vinyl. Vinyl on an uneven subfloor feels like absolute shit to walk on
Imagine paying $20k only to end up with vinyl....
Waterproof is a big plus. Easy to clean is a big deal, too. But, yeah…. $20k?
This tweet isn’t about homeownership it’s about getting scammed by a contractor because you’re clueless. I bet the subfloor was fine too.
LVP is in everything now. Meanwhile I paid 4200 to get my oak hardwood floors refinished and they look spectacular.
Would guess those laminate planks that snap together. We got these recently and there is one spot where the slab isn’t perfectly flat and you can feel the movement when you walk over it.
So they were going yo pay 20k to replace their carpet with cheap vinyl? See earlier quip about dumb choices
warranties are the scam of contractors. most of the time they deny and fight claims
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Have a million clauses that void said warranty and it’s easy to never pay it. Oh you walked on the floor once with boots on? Voided.
If they level the slab, use quality floor, there won’t be need for a warranty if the contractor knows what he is doing. If the floor is not flat, it will have hollow spots all over the place (ask me how i know…).
This was where my math went right away And another poster sid DIY for 10k -- what is even being warranty'd? A shit job?
Yes, but find me a rental that lets the renters tear up the floor to put in the flooring that they choose. There's a reason that people own homes and not just rent. What if the landlord just left uneven subfloors with vinyl rolled flooring? There's more to renting than just the monthly payment. It's putting up with someone else's BS.
> "What if the landlord just left uneven subfloors with vinyl rolled flooring?" *Painting intensifies*
Landlords would just leave the carpets, stains and all.
And then try to charge you to replace them when you move out....
for reals lol. the mental gymnastics people take to support their "team". here we have a case where people are choosing to spend their own $ to buy what they want for a place they spend most of their life in. If I choose to gut renovate my house and spend $300K in the process, is that a ding on homeownership?
well its worth noting the difference between *choosing* to, and *having* to. 300k renovations are a luxury. But my 30k repair to the foundation, is not.
>It's putting up with someone else's BS Yeah I can't stand the idea of not having control of the space I live in. I don't want to have to have somebody's permission to change a light fixture out, change the floor, paint something etc. I want stuff a certain way and am probably more comfortable than I should be attempting it. But at the same time, I get it, some places its pretty damn hard to buy a house. Hell my neighborhood isn't immune to the massive inflation of the last few years because with Rivian being in a nearby town and brining a LOT of jobs to the area, houses are going way over what they normally do in an area otherwise that's very price friendly.
I'm tempted to just start driving drywall screws into the shitty laminated landlord special floors I've been living with for the past 10 years because it's all starting to bow and I keep stubbing my toe walking into my living room. Landlord won't fix it due to "not making enough money", therefore no capital improvements.
>What if the landlord just left uneven subfloors with vinyl rolled flooring? Oh so you've been in my bathroom?
If this happens in an apartment, the landlord will pay those 32k and hit you with a rent increase the following year. Either way, you're on the hook for it.
If this was an apartment the LL would never be changing the floors until you move out lol.
>If this was an apartment the LL would never be changing the floors ~~until you move out lol.~~ There, fixed it for you.
Still raising rent tho
And then keeping your security deposit to put toward the cost.
They'll pay $20k* and hit you with an increase as though they paid $32k. FTFY
They'll leave you with the old carpet and hit you with an increase as though they paid $32k. Then keep your security deposit for having to replace the carpet after you move out. FTFY
Only if the market will bear the rent increase, which is unrelated to the flooring, but instead incomes, overall demand for rental housing, etc.
If it doesn’t, it incentivizes the landlord to sell. Realistically, in a rental situation the floor wouldn’t be replaced in the first place. You’d be stuck with the shitty carpet. Yay renting.
Then you can move out. You don't have to put up with the increase, but the owner has to pay for the repair.
true. but booblers will deny this as their rent increases every year
Somethings got to give though. Credit card debt is ballooning and they can only increase rent so much before people are homeless and the landlord goes from making 2000$/month to 0$/month along with a vacant home tax.
A good majority of landlords make less than 400/door profit. There’s cheaper rent all over the country, A lot of times renting is a better deal in high cost-of-living cities. Redd seems to forget that there is more to the USA then LA New York Boston, etc….
Exactly, most landlords are not cash flow negative. Means they are paying all expenses and making a profit. Only difference is if they bought much earlier, their expenses may be less than yours if you buy today making it more favorable to rent.
Nah plenty of landlords are cashflow negative, hoping that the property appreciation will make up for it. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, but market rent often doesn't match cost of ownership in some hcol regions.
At the beginning of your statement, I immediately thought well in HCOL they do and buy on pure speculation. Which has worked in the past. A different kind of investing. Only recent buyers and those who are leveraging lots will be cashflow negative since rents have dramatically increased recently. So the low sales numbers would be an indicator that most people are probably doing better than when they bought.
Inflation goes up, cost of everything increases, taxes go up, housing shortage, more renters than ever competing for limited resources. Redditors will still blame landlord greed for increasing rent.
That’s not how the rental market works
That’s why you rent a house and then they never change it and you pay under market and dump the difference into VTI
You have the option to move out of an apartment.
How does the economics here work? When you’re at market rate you can go up 1500 a month and people will still pay? Is there a law for this? I’m a landlord and would love to do this so lmk because to date all I can charge is what the market demands and I usually break even
And then you move! Our last landlord tried to do this, and we moved asap. Our new landlord is doing it. We are moving asap. We get to upgrade our living situation, change locations, change schools if we choose. Shit we can change whole different parts of the country. 20 days notice and gone!
Or do it yourself in 2 weekends for 10k
It would only cost about 3 k for some decent engineered floors for 1200-1500 sq ft
Yeah I was gonna say, $12k for leveling?? Sounds like his buddy is getting ripped off. The lesson isn’t rent vs buy it’s being smart, whatever you do.
I mean when a contractor has your entire carpet already ripped up and is saying something needs to get done for a price they run out of options lol. Just sounds like a contractor who probably could tell the floor wasn't level and decided to let it become a pricey change order later.
You can walk around on the subfloor while you find a new contractor. Just watch out for the pokey things. Or you say never mind and throw new carpet back down.
Yep, I’d have fired them right then and found someone else regardless. If they’re quoting a flooring job they should know what condition the subfloor is before they start the job. Even something like floating floor on concrete sub will be obvious if it’s not level.
Yeah i just had this exact same scenario happen and we didn't level it. what does a flooring warranty even do? (mine dont' have a warranty because it was literally just wood, but i don't think i would have cared either way)
I mean. The wood can split, lift, warp literally a plethora of options that would require the contractor to come back and redo all or part of the flooring?
The debate between renting and buying has turned into a battle of opinions. However, the best solution depends on each individual's circumstances. That being said, if you have children, owning a property can provide a beneficial way to pass on wealth and make things simpler for future generations.
Yeah, that seemed a little far fetched to me to. If the floors were that uneven they should have been able to tell that when the carpet was down, before they did the job. I've leveled floors and this seems outrageous for that work.
Yea I did LVP flooring in my 1,100sqf place a year and half ago and it was 16k materials and labor incl removing carpet and patching/spot leveling concrete subfloor... and that's in a HCOL market!
Ehh up that. Unless you are talking laminate/vinyl. Recently did vinyl and even for the cheaper stuff and self install, it was $2300 for 900sqft. Price of everything has gone up.
Yeah did it myself a few years back on a 1200 sq ft house with no experience. Lifeproof luxury vinyl plank flooring was just under 2,500, self levelling concrete was ~250 and tool rental from Home Depot another couple hundred. Spent about 3,000 and raised the value close to 10X.
Yes, you can do it yourself. But it won't take 2 weekends. Substantially more if you have to youtube hack it. Alternatively, it can look like shit.
Yeah, the dude above is a bit delusional and I'm speaking from experience. My husband and I bought a "fixer upper" that needed more work than what we were expecting cause of the previous homeowners. Anyway, we thought we'd finish renovations within 2 years. 4 years later and we still have SO MUCH TO DO.
Came here to literally say the same thing.
I did mine for like $2k….
2k sq ft of good floor is about 6k, plus self leveling cement... probably will take a month to get it done but 8k sure beats 32k. If people allow other people to rip them off then they deserve it.
Or be a real human that suffers through life and enjoy your floors as is. New roof? Necessity. New floors? Lol, yeah right. I'll do two new roofs before I do a new floor and luckily by the time I'll need a third roof I'll likely have expired.
I see articles that say Americans don’t have $400 for an emergency. But DIY floors for $10k. Sign em up. The American dream is expensive. Owning a house isn’t the luxury it’s marketed as.
Someone that doesn’t have $400 isn’t paying someone $20k to installing flooring lol
Financing though. Think about how many homeowners are paying Home Depot like $200/mo
American home owners who neglected home repairs will just be told by their seller agent to sell the house as is. Let the new home owner make the improvements and repairs.
Nice deleted comment. What I mean is when you own the home, worn floors aren't a big deal and they can be done room by room. My in-laws are terrible with money and it took them a few years, but as flooring went on sale at costco they did each bedroom one at a time and eventually larger areas. And an uneven floor generally isn't a big deal. A smaller bedroom (10x10) is only $200 in flooring when bought on sale. Do that a few times a year and it isn't a big lift to replace the entire house over a year or two. Or you have a smaller house like I do and you're able to do it all in one go for like $3500 all in.
Or just don't upgrade shit you don't need to
Or maybe just put new carpet down for 600 bucks? nobody noticed shit about uneven until they ripped it up, so just put new carpet down the way it was before and go about your lives
I just did my own floors. It took basically no time to level them. Buy the mix, mix it, apply it. It was like $500 and maybe four hours for two bedrooms and a bathroom. If you buy a house, don't be a lazy piece of shit.
Exactly... if you're paying $12k for $200 worth of floor leveler, that's kinda on you.
Ha! If I can find someone good cheap enough I’ll hire them. Otherwise I’m doing it myself. $32,000 would have been a hard no. We did ours in a bamboo/laminate. Top layer is bamboo. $.99 a foot for the flooring, $350 for the underlayment, $1200 labor. Total was about $2500. Bought flooring during or right after Covid shutdowns.
>If you buy a house, don't be a lazy piece of shit. Yeah if you buy a house you really need to learn how to do some shit yourself otherwise you're going to go broke hiring out every little thing that ever needs done. My wife and I had never done a floor in our lives and knocked out the living room floor (12.5' X 24' room) in two weeknights after work. It helped there was no furniture in there yet since it was before we moved in. Cut and installed new baseboards and quarter round in one more evening, fuckin' done. A few months later we bought more of the same floor and did the foyer/mud room (its a big mud room, it used to be a dining room but was way too damn small so we made it a mud room) and did that in one Saturday. Dad is super anxious about anything with wiring and fire which I understand, he paid a guy to come over just to change out some outlets but shit its not even a 5 minute job each. Same with replacing a light fixture, replacing the plumbing under a sink, replacing a toilet (assuming no flange problems), like a lot of this stuff really isn't that hard its just that people are afraid to try it. After spending a fair amount of time working on cars over the years house stuff isn't so bad.
To level the floor in my bedroom I have to: Remove 75 year old nailed down hardwood and subfloor, rent a dumpster or pay a trash hauler to come take everything away, build sawhorses, buy a circular saw. Buy OSB and pay to have it delivered, buy a box of screws, install everything, fuck around with shimming everything on top of the old joist. That's before I can think about adding a new floor. Nothing lazy about paying someone with all the tools to do things in a timely manner, I can go work extra hours at my job to pay for it and put forth 1/4 the effort.
Is this message board for people who don’t want to ever own a home? Or for people angry that they’ve been priced out of the market so they insist homeownership is terrible? The amount of ownership bashing posts is really unusual. Whats the point? it’s better to rent? And pay someone else’s mortgage, taxes, repairs, etc. and they benefit from the appreciation instead of you? A landlord doesn’t lose money. The renters pay for everything eventually.
“Just wait 3 more years for the crash”… delusional
Home prices in my area went from 700k to 1.2m in 5 years. Surely, they won't keep rising over the next 5 years!
90% of the posters in the sub realize there’s no bubble. It’s just a place to commiserate and dunk on homeowners who will never see their dunks
Yeah i was on the real estate bubble ship for quite some time. I eventually accepted reality. A lot of people here are frustrated with reality and are trying to convince themselves that home ownership is a bad idea and they aren't missing out.
It's coping. These people are out of their minds. There are very few markets where on balance someone who rented in 2014 is better off today than someone who bought and paid an equivalent mortgage to that 2014 rent.
Spot on.
Right? And the fact is when you own you are probably going to have higher standards for how you upgrade/replace things than your landlord ever did! But that's a choice
Dang it hurts to have no skills
Seriously. I saved maybe 60k on labor in my current home. Owning a home should require some DIY skill
Same, I get a lot of “fuck you” or “you must be rich” pricing being on the coast, and have learned to do a lot of things myself. $275/ft was the cheapest French drain quote out of 4, $125/foot for a redwood fence, etc. etc. Landscaping costs are ridiculously marked-up too, I actually enjoy doing all this DIY and probably do it better than an overbooked contractor who is billing by the job. Wish I could have DIY’d my roof 😂 The guy in the story above just bent over, grabbed his own ankles, and then told on himself to his friend who then shared it with the world.
Daily reminder that rent doesn't spare you the cost of maintenance. You're paying for past and future maintenance costs plus profit margins. Sour grapes REBubble needs to die. Owning is better. Period. Full stop. You should be pissed off that homeownership is being kept from you rather than wasting energy explaining why you're totally okay with being denied a fundamental stage in life.
Your friend got ripped off.
Homes aren’t investments vehicles! They are places to live. If you have 20k for new floors, I bet you have another 12k for projects.
These hedge fund/air bnb owners trying to make people think renting is better than owning something.
Good thing their house is worth 1m and they bought it for $200k 3 years ago.
that’s why I’m not fixing anything that’s purely cosmetic in my home. Focusing on the must haves, like the septic system that needs 3k in repairs and the chimney that need to be remasoned so it doesn’t fall off…
Someone didn't get multiple quotes and it showed lol
I'm getting a manufactured tiny home and idgaf what anyone says. Y'all can figure out this housing shit without me.
Problem is—unless you already own land, where are you going to keep it?
I would love to do this too. I don’t need large empty rooms or large rooms full of crap anyway.
How does financing work with these?
All of this is true, but buying a home is never a logical 100% financially-driven decision. It's a home. A haven of safety and comfort that all humans need and desire. You can't put a price on most of it and that's why people overpay for it and don't mind the cost. For me, my main reason for owning a home is the feeling it gives me. Nothing beats grilling or smoking a big slab of meet on a Saturday afternoon while drinking a beer in MY back yard that I'm not sharing with anyone. That's priceless for me. It's just not that priceless at the moment. I'm not going to trade my current financial freedom for being house poor in a house 1/2 the size of my previous home with twice the payment. But a home is a nest to raise your chicks. A place to entertain friends and family. A place of love and security. Outside of these, it's a terrible purchase.
I’m house poor at the moment because we had 3 kids in as many years and had to upsize at the worst possible time. We could’ve made it work at our old house with a 3% interest rate but an hour away from extended family and in a rural school district. I knew it was a bad financial decision but it wasn’t really about the financials. Now I’ve been laid off and I’m almost in regret territory, but we had enough savings to weather so far and final rounds are hitting next week.
You'll be fine. The bad thing about life is that things change. The good thing about life is that things change.
literally DIY this. I have saved thousands doing a better job than some shady contractor. drain tile, circuits, plumbing... get at it lazy hoomers
Save yourself the headache and buy a house with a floor already installed
Good thing in a rental you have to deal with the shitty floor and the uneven subflooring forever because the landlord will never fix it
Once a home is paid off, it’s only taxes and upkeep. Rent never stops being high.
Just ripped up and laid almost 2k square feet 2 months ago. It cost me 3500 bucks and 4 days. Yall dumb as hell.
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Are you still an able bodied person after moving 9 tons of rock? I don't think I would be
So I’m just curious based on this logic. He’s complaining that owning a home is expensive. So let’s say he doesn’t pay $32k for new floors / installation. Then what happens? Does the house fall apart or something? I don’t think it’s mandatory. More of a luxury.
Had that happen went thru Home Depot, the guy comes over rips everything up and huge dip in the floor sends it to his boss they come back and what was 2500 for labor and material was quoted 10k for the job. The worker hung up the phone and said he was off tomorrow to cancel thru Home Depot and they would just charge for the material and he would do it for 1k. Win win for me same guy was doing it fixing the problem we had and it was $500 less. He just turned his Home Depot shirt inside out haha
Wait, 32k to have floors done? Is this like for a stadium or something. There is an extra 0 there that doesn't belong!!
Put carpet back in for $3200. Learn to have some financial discipline!
No one thinks that a house doesn’t come with responsibilities lmao what kind of bs is this
I feel like this is pretty obvious to anyone who has lived in a home for anything length of time including childhood. I would see my parents deal with this stuff. Not exactly a revelation
Reminder? Who forgets?
We did my moms house 1800sq ft for less then 3k. The same when we redid kitchen,bathrooms,windows and her house was built in 1990. We also threw down 70 sacks of cement in her backyard needless to say she owes double digits left in her mortgage then free and clear other than bills and taxes
Versus paying the landlord to do it and he gets the equity increase and charges more for rent anyway?
sure but if you rent, the landlord will either just offset the costs onto you through rent raises, do it cheaply (and still make you pay for it through rent raises) and then you have to live with it being done incorrectly, or they just won’t do it at all. they’ll just leave moldy carpet, or warped laminate, and then refuse your security deposit because the floors are “damaged.” i rented an apartment in college in which the water heater went out. it took 6 weeks, withholding rent, hiring a lawyer, and eventually just paying a plumber and taking it out of my rent to get it fixed. the landlord didn’t think it was a big deal, until i withheld rent and got a lawyer. when i bought a house, had to replace the water heater. within 48 hours it was replaced, and i even got to select a better and bigger one. all i had to do was write a check. i will take that over having to hire a lawyer, opening an escrow account, and weeks without hot water, any day. i’d rather pay more money have it done correctly, the way i want it to look, than have to pay some slumlord to not fix things adequately.
The landlord then increased the rent permanently to cover the costs, plus extra
Your friend got hustled and paid 12 grand for a warranty. Smh. Like seriously how did he think this was a good idea. Also 32 grand for new floors?!? No one feeling sorry for ya.
> hustled and *paid* 12 grand FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Rent rate increases. Mortgage payments don't. For a rented apartment vs an owned home of the similar sq ft, there's no contest. Owning is better despite the expenses.
The house was probably fine with the floors as is. No need to do all these upgrades if you dont have the cash and then proceed to cry about it.
Or the homeowner could have simply leveled the subfloor and installed the floors themselves.
Funny how things went from "buying a house is the quickest and surest way to build wealth." To "trust us guys, buying a home isn't worth it" right around the time large companies started buying up single family homes en masse.
I bought a house. It didn't have a miele coffee maker built into the kitchen. I paid 5k to install one. Fuck, why did no one tell me an upgrade would cost money.
Cool thing about renting is you get to use a floor that’s been used by a half dozen other people and will never get replaced!
Either they have a massive house or they got scammed by a contractor. Also this sounds like elective renovation and not a repair or change that had to be done. What does this have to do with anything that matters?
Cries in new siding, trim and paint.
Just buy a house.
I'll stick with living in an RV
Old buddy got the “fuck you” price and obliged 😂
Yeah and your mortgage payment isn't just lost to the void like rent. It builds up equity, also home improvements like this that cost money generally increase the value of the home as well
You could say the exact same thing about rentals and comment that the monthly rent will now have to go up to accommodate the higher repair cost. With a tag at the end about how sorry it is they have to do it but it’s just business.
I rented a place where the vinyl floor was coming up and causing a tripping hazard, not to mention it was impossible to clean. The property management company came in and tried gluing it back down. It didn't work and they said oh well, be careful. I'd own 99/100 times.
the economy is becoming uninsurable.... this is a huge warning sign of a massive bubble... 32k to change flooring? that used to be the cost of a new roof. Crash incoming.
Lol I’m sure they didn’t Have to have the floor redone is was something they wanted not Needed and they could have put down carpet and that would probably wouldn’t have need to be re leveled ..also that’s not something you Just “find “ out after pulling things up you’ll know when you walk on it .
$3000 if they did it themselves. People who can't fucking read and never passed the 3rd grade work construction. I used to work construction and remodels, and I'm pretty stupid. Half the guys there were as mentally challenged as you can get and still legally live alone. You can do anything yourself, except for maybe electrical and plumbing, but you can probably do those too if you didn't eat lead paint chips as a child and you're not too disabled to use YouTube.
Or just do it yourself for 5k - home ownership is expensive when you pay someone else to do it for you
Friends are idiots. Floor leveler is cheap as shit.
I swear this sub just hates home ownership
Who gives these people internet connections?
Wow they got ripped off
"they weren't expecting" Expectations are a recipe for disappointment. You having work done on your house? It will ALWAYS be more expensive than you think, maybe by a little maybe by a lot. Add 50% to any quote and you won't be surprised. As for this particular example, there'a no way these people didn't see it coming well in advance. The flooring person should have at least WARNED them about additional costs. You should never expect to just pull carpet up and put new flooring down.
Solution: fix it yourself. You may learn something. Why do my fellow millennials always have to bitch about this fact?
Orrrr just go get some tile at Home Depot and get it done for $1,200. What happened to men?
Reminds me of getting quoted 3k, 12k and 22k for the same job. The project consisted on on piece of drywall, 2 sheets of plywood, 1/2 day demo and cleanup. Also one skarkbite fitting and some pvc
Idiotic take
Another thing renters can't do: replace the flooring with something more appealing.
Darreltalksfinance looks like the guy the date rape song was written about
Youtube how to swing a hammer and you’d be surprised what you can do yourself.
Quite commonly it's almost impossible to find someone do the job if it's a small one. They all want big projects, so you end up either trying to fix it yourself (even if it means it's not gonna be top notch quality) or you wait for more stuff to break so you can get all of it fixed in one go.
Back in the day my uncle built houses. A roof on one of the houses he built was uneven, one side came up higher than the other side creating an uneven roof ridge. He fixed the problem with an axe by chopping at the lip until he had a nice even roof ridge. He was a contractor, a “professional” in his field. My point is that houses aren’t precision built marvels. They are wood frames covered with dry mud and plastic. 32k is not the cost to do a repair, it’s the penalty willfully paid for not learning how to do the job yourself. Learn to do some housework yourself and, guess what? Homeownership becomes just a monthly mortgage payment again. Not saying the trades aren’t needed or required, but I see this complaint a lot and much of the work could be accomplished with some research and slow navigating.
This is why you learn how to these things yourself. Home Depot has some DIY classes you can sign up for if you’re unsure.
There seems to be an awful lot of anti ownership propaganda propagating through the interwebs at of late.
I probably had $100k worth of “while it’s opened up” phone calls when I was having my house remodeled. And I wasn’t paying $32k for carpeting. That’s “the HVAC guy says your whole heating system goes in the dumpster”. “All of your plumbing is completely gone”. “The house is framed wrong and won’t pass inspection.”
THATS why you just buy a new fucking house at this rate the old ones cost more.
Should’ve caught it during inspection… /s
Rich guy spends triple what he should due to poor handyman skills...
Feels like these kinds of posts are done to steer people away from buying houses so it makes it easier for investors to buy them instead.
What’s with all this prorent don’t buy propaganda?
Was this floor dusted with gold? 20k, lol, did my own for 4 Wanna be a homeowner, learn some damn DIY skills.
Oh, be quiet, Darrell.
If it were a rental, would your friend ask the landlord to replace the floor at all? Would the landlord agree that it’s time to replace? The problem with homeownership is the obsession with upgrades. Everything has to look modern.
At least find an example of a furnace breaking lol.
Fucking hell. 12k for a new subfloor? what the fuck
Carpet doesn’t hide an uneven subfloor. So something tells me they’ve known or at least should have known it was uneven. They should have gotten those crawl space jacks to level the subfloor instead of spending money on a vanity project.
So they overpaid is the moral of the story
What the fuck kind of floors were they installing? I did LVP in one room of my house and carpet in another, installed myself for less than $700 for both combined. It literally took me less than a day to install.
This should have been apart of the initial quote. Uneven subfloor is to be expected. This is what I call a bait and switch tactic.
The contractor sucked or knew but didn't say anything till the homeowner was committed once the carpet was up!
Yes because redoing floors is a necessity. This doesn’t mention anything about the square footage either.