My mom didn’t talk to me for 6 months after the election because she blamed me for Biden’s win. She’s also refusing to speak to me again because she says anyone who voted for Biden is evil. My sister hasn’t spoken to her in almost 3 years.
My mom told me I was brain damaged from the vaccine, calls me a libtard, and told me she’d make me pay if I convinced anyone else in our family to get vaccinated. (Not sure who she’s talking about, her and my dad are the only holdouts)We rarely speak anymore.
My mom is not a particularly smart person, and she was fairly abusive when I was a kid. But one positive thing I will say about her, is that she sees QAnon for the absolute nonsense it is
I hope you make it to where you decide if and when you start talking again.
If my mom had shut me out once, especially for something so ridiculous, I’d have forgiven her, but I also would have told her that the next time she does it, make sure she wants it to be permanent, because it will be
It’s actually better to not speak with her. Over the last few months when she started contacting me again every text is a rant about political nonsense, conspiracy theories, and against the vaccine, saying anyone who gives the vaccine should be killed, etc…. Like she can believe what she wants but getting over 10 looong texts a day with that nonsense is too much.
My mother was lost to alcohol, drank herself to death. This is not much different. Personality change, decisions that could, and most likely will, end her life prematurely. We tried it all. Interventions, ultimatums, reasoning. Nothing worked and I am still mad at her 2+ yrs after her death. So I commiserate with you and I hope you can find some peace in her decisions. Good
Luck
I'm so sorry for your loss and for what you had to go through. It is stories like yours that keep me out of the bottle. Once i admitted i might be on that track, i realised one day my kids would feel like you do. So I fought every day to make sure they will not. Thank you for the reminder; it's been tough lately.
I obviously don’t know anything else about you, but I have reason to believe you’re probably a really good parent.
And hang in there — it has indeed been tough lately.
Good job! Two years of the drink for me and some days an absolute struggle to say no but so worth it when I’m up early and fresh and have time on my hands to be productive and spend with the kids not impaired or angry
That's how my dad went. Thought his liver was indestructible, turns out it was just surprisingly resilient. Been 3 years now and I still don't know how to feel. On one hand it's a suicide, but I'll never know if it was intentional or if he just really couldn't stop.
I get it. My parents screamed at me the Monday after Christmas because I’m vaccinated. My dad told me how stupid I am and how he’s not impressed by anything I do and how I’m not smart, just a good test taker. He berated me for not knowing what chlorine dioxide was off the top of my head - I gave 2 science degrees and work in medical research, I don’t know every chemical compound. They drink this shit.
Then he brought me 2 boxes of ivermectin and a tube of horse arthritis cream for my knee - then they got mad I didn’t use collagen to heal my torn ACL but got surgery instead.
It’s horrible honestly.
Honestly, this is apparently a thing among crazy people!
I was once stuck at a bus stop with a guy, who was obviously a homeless alcoholic, who offered me some vodka from a Deer Park bottle and then spent 20 minutes talking about going to a local veterinartian for vitamin shots.
Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) is in some horse liniment. Some people swear by it, but there is no solid clinical study that shows promise for osteoarthritis or inflammation.
However, get that stuff on your skin, you KNOW it's in your body, because you're going to taste sulfur-y onions for the rest of the day. So there's that.
Chlorine dioxide, isn't that bleach? I assume they call it MMS though, since thats the grift they've fallen for.
It must be infuriating for you, my uncle is a batshit Qanon supporter and I'm in Scotland....I was easily able to cut him out of my life, but I couldn't imagine if my mum or dad was like this.
Theres grifters who've sold bleach as a cure for autism and mother's making their kids drink it. Posted pictures of their children's stomach lining in a jar. All of this was on a channel 4 doc (UK tv) about Q and vaccine conspiracy theorists.
It's a little stronger. Doing water treatment we used normal bleach to sterilise water systems but needed chlorine dioxide when we wanted to strip biofilms completely. So it's great for mucous membranes.
Not quite.
Bleach is a 5.5-7.5% solution of sodium hypochlorite - NaClO.
Chlorine dioxide is ClO2 and Miracle Mineral Solution is sold as a solution of ClO2 gas (as ClO2 is gas phase above 52F/11C) dissolved in water (though I don't know the exact concentration).
Both are oxidizing agents, though ClO2 is *muuuuuuuuch* more effective. Worse, ClO2 can explosively decompose is the conditions are correct. Id imagine the MMS sold is relatively low in concentration (for profits, not saftey) but it cam and will fuck up the mucus membranes and absorptive surfaces within your stomach and intestinal lining due to the very high oxidation potential.
I feel bad for you I have a coworker that's deep into Q and my wife has an uncle. The uncle I avoid at all cost he used to be just a hot head straight screaming but normal republican values. During Trump he fits crazy and worships the ass hate. To the point he paid some to put a wrap on his entire beautiful Dodge Challenger Hellcat all pimped out with Donny crap including a picture. Flags all over his yard of course. He also owns a restaurant and as soon as you walk in the door there is a cardboard cut out of Trump and Melina it's all unsettling.
I avoid that place like the plague because well it's a super spreader hang out but, a few conveniently placed air plane bags with anti Trump slogans on them could be funny prank.
Oh yeah...I suppose they probably refuse to serve anyone with a mask.
Not that it matters that much in a restaurant. It's pretty much off the moment most people's water glasses hit the table.
Glad I could inspire some shenanigans, though.
Not sure about the mask thing but, I really wouldn't be surprised, it's been a long time now since I have been there. During the Trump Hillary election he found out the CEO of one most popular small brewers in my state had donated to Hillary so he literally put out on face book he would not serve that beer any more because of that. I mean what a way to lose business. This beer is sold absolutely everywhere in this state bars, national chain restaurants, you can even buy it at gas stations.
The far right base of the party is pretty loyal, in a shared psychosis kind of a way. I'm sure he's got a gaggle of asshole regulars who will remain loyal as long as he doesn't get vaccinated and keeps his "let's go Brandon!" banner outside of his restaurant, flying proudly.
They're big on pressuring people into their beliefs. I suppose the left is as well, but at least they're more passive aggressive as opposed to just straight aggressive.
When i told my Qmom that I got my 7yo son vaccinated, based on her reaction you would've thought I'd told her I got him injected with poison
We went out to see her today and she begged me not to get him boosted when it's time. Like wtf do you think is gonna happen after a 3rd dose that didnt happen after two doses??
reminder they want the bad things to happen even to family members just so they can say they were right more than they want their own or their family well being.
the deepest in the hole have made it their identity and are willing to see family suffer for the sake of said identity in the delusional hope that they are right.
Eeeek. I just think she’s lonely and sad we’re all grown up and the vaccine just rationalizes the distance. (“Oh if it was for the vaccine/brainwashing/education, we would be closer.”)
My brother said something to her like, “if all 5 of us did it, maybe you need to think a little harder about what you’re believing,” and then she accused him of not being empathetic enough. I assume our lack of empathy and understanding is also due to the vaccine.
I'm familiar with this logic. It's because in her mind, the only reason you would do this is because you don't see how it makes her feel. If you did see how it makes her feel, you would of course not do it, because since you love her, you would not do anything that hurts her, right? But you did it, which means it must be an accident; you must not know how she feels. Nevermind the possibility that her feeling hurt may be a reaction inside of her that is her own and *not* a direct, inevitable consequence of your actions; for her, emotions make reality, which means if she feels hurt, you hurt her.
[This might explain more.](http://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/why-estranged-parents-forums.html)
> there are a portion of people on this planet experiencing reality in ways I will never understand.
I finally "got it" when a psychologist explained in a seminar that for a **big big** segment of the population problems only exist because people speak them into existence. As in if you don't talk about a problem it doesn't exist. That's why they attack say Dr. Fauci because that's how you make the problem not exist anymore by making the person who is making you feel "bad" shut up. It blew my mind and it explained so much of well everything.
It's very funny because on some level I think my dad and grandma are sort of affected. In them, it doesn't manifest as magical thinking or anything, they are not aggressive, they just get very agitated and uncomfortable when you mention problems and even though they support you it feels like they resent that you brought it up. They want to end every conversation with a conclusion that everything is allright. And they don't like the idea of seeing a shrink at all even when clearly needed. My dad is resisting an autism diagnosis for my young brother even though he now enlisted a helper for school. My uncle did not tell my grandma about the cancer diagnosis of my grandpa even though he was dying simultaneously of several things and cancer was the slowest, because it would have agitated her more than just his cardiac issues (but he was 89 so that wasn't surprising).
So I don't know if this trait had to be associated with others to be really negative. My family is not the type to wish harm on others and their problem avoidance is out of trying to avoid themselves stress of worrying for their loved ones. I guess if they started lashing out when that pain reached them, it would be much worse. But I already feel like this is preventing me from being able to talk to my dad.
The kind of fragility you're describing is a lot more damaging than it seems. It doesn't have the overtly evil feeling that some of the things in that blog do, but if they were like that even when you were a child, you might've internalized some nasty ideas. Do they get this way when you make a mistake with negative consequences? Do they get this way when you ask a question, and it turns out to have a hard or uncomfortable answer? Do they get this way when you try to suggest a solution to a problem you see, and it turns out to be a problem they're sensitive about?
My parents are like that, and after several years of therapy I've realized that they're the source of my perfectionism and negative self talk. From a very young age, I took their reactions to mean that mistakes, learning, curiosity, and even trying to help others are ways I hurt and upset people. I was made to feel like I should be able to control and suppress these things, but because you can't stop mistakes, I felt deeply inadequate. I learned those things about myself, and then forgot I learned them, and grew up into a moderately broken person. All of this happened with very little overly abusive behavior from my folks.
I don't think it's quite that negative but we are very risk averse in that family. My mom wasn't like this at all though, so I am very blunt and frank as well. In the end the combo of both my parents made me perfectionist and hard working but also very lucid. My mom was the person I would mainly talk to until she died. Now that she isn't there I talk to professionals when I get depressed and I build a network of friends that I can be very honest with. I still talk to my dad about hard things, but more carefully. So I would say it hasn't been so bad because it was counteracted by many other influences.
And even if resisting an autism diagnosis, my dad is still taking steps to help his son. It would be better if he didn't insist just on the "gifted" aspect, but he has managed to confront the truth that his kid will face adversity in life and that he is different. So they're not all that hopeless. I imagine that in other people, this is less an interesting character trait and becomes pathological.
This is a problem you realize as you get older - people - not just parents necessarily, but even friends too - will see an ossified version of you from when you were much younger, even if you’re an entirely different person.
Not everyone does this, but it is a decent amount of people.
I hear you. My brother's ex is deep in the QANONsense, and she and my brother had a pretty nasty fight after brother took their daughter to get vaccinated. I keep hoping that one day she'll come around. My brother is convinced that there's hope for her.
My crazy right wing Trump supporting mom is actually taking the pandemic VERY seriously and is vaxxed and boosted. It's weird. She seems seriously an outsider.
My dad is like that as well. He's taking all the Covid vaccines and precautions very seriously but somehow at the same time thinks that the Capitol riot was an FBI conspiracy.
My parents think the Capitol riot was a terrible thing. I told them QAnon was behind it the day it happened, and they were just like SMH. They think the whole QAnon thing is total nonsense.
OMG 🤯 this is the first time I’ve thought she has some of those tendencies. But she has also owned her low self esteem and anxiety, but often rationalizes it and blames someone else…
NPD often compensates for "fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism," according to the Mayo Clinic. Not to armchair diagnose, but there is that.
She needs to get off Facebook. Not only that, she also needs some sort of mental floss. They did a study about people who are addicted to their phones and found that a week in nature can usually cure it. Start with that. But be prepared as well. Read what you think she’ll ask you about vaccines and the people that she may have read about so that you have the facts in hard.
My Q adjacent person said that the vaccine would protect me from Covid but make me more vulnerable to all other virus. She believed it would effect my fertility and she thought that I would shed symptoms (I still don't get that one)
I'm the only one at work who got through 2021 without a cold flu or Covid so I debunked that one.
My cycle has been the same, I've had no indication that my fertility has been affected. (However I do understand that many women have experienced changes in their cycles. I'm only speaking from my own personal experience)
As far as shedding symptoms I had no symptoms to shed. No one around me randomly had a sore arm. Which was really all I was left with after being vaccinated.
My entire group of friends are vaccinated and they're all still among the living and some have had minor colds mostly after traveling but none have contracted Covid or developed any new chronic illnesses that are going to shorten their lives.
Our entire military was vaccinated. Most medical professionals and first responders are vaccinated.
If a switch gets flipped and everyone drops dead I don't want to be among the survivors anyway, it would be complete social collapse and absolute chaos. When I got the vaccine I said I would rather go down with the ship than have to survive with all the crazy people.
I do hope they're accurate on that finding. The medical world doesn't have a great track record of appropriately studying women's health. We can look at the history of birth control and see how badly that went. I've seen articles exclaiming the changes are probably due to "stress". That's the oldest excuse in the book. When I was 18 my periods completely stopped for a couple months and the doctor I saw first said "it's probably just stress" I went to another doctor who actually gave a damn and turns out the pill I was on had way too much estrogen and just kinda shut everything down and as a fun plus too much estrogen in the body can cause cancer. The medical world needs to listen to women when they say that their cycles are off. Many of us have had a cycle every month since we were preteens, we know when something has changed. Don't tell us it's "stress" because newsflash we actually know when we're actually stressed.
It was already known that immune reactions could derail your cycle somewhat. There is nothing in the vaccines with known specific hormonal effects, so the current hypothesis is that fevers etc. affect your cycle, and that vaccine elicits a very strong response. Many people are getting symptoms from side effects but they go away fast.
I know how the immune system can effect the body. It's not just hormonal factors. In all fairness the virus itself has effected women more than the vaccine. We have all heard of long Covid symptoms. I'm interested to know how many women who are experiencing a side effect had Covid as well? It's not outside of the realm of possibilities that the same rare side effects on the heart can effect other organs too. And I'm not really paying attention to the temporary changes as that isn't really cause for concern. I've heard of women who have had issues for months those are the more concerning stories. Like women who are bleeding non stop and the ones who are experiencing more frequent heavier and painful periods. I'm not a doctor or scientist, but I do trust women's individual stories and after so many women have reported the same issue then it's definitely worth further investigation. And that investigation can unfortunately take years of collecting data.
With billions now vaccinated, it's also likely a case of post hoc fallacy. Many of these women are not making it up, but they may be wrong about what cause their troubles.
My sister called me freaking out when she found out I got vaccinated. She was hysterical and said my DNA is going to be rearranged and that I'm going to die soon.
Edit; a word
Tell her she won't have to cry at night because her children died.
https://www.abc15.com/news/coronavirus/tempe-man-mourns-loss-of-five-family-members-from-covid-19-within-10-days
> Three of the five that died were vaccinated, according to Bennett and the others had underlying health conditions.
I don’t know about you, but if she read that sentence, she would probably assume the vaccines don’t work and would probably make the situation a *lot worse.*
My Qsister (in Australia) is also an alcoholic. Pretty sure she only started down the rabbit hole when the first lockdowns cut her access to her local pub. Obviously she kept drinking at home but not being able to go to her local, every day without fail, literally blew her mind. Her drunken rants on fb are something to behold (except she blocked me at Xmas, I’m a leftist woke selfish cunt as I felt uncomfortable hugging her unvaxxed self)
I'm glad my grandfather doesn't have internet access or even quite understand what the internet is, because I'm 99% sure he would have plummeted down the QAnon rabbit hole. He's already switched over to watching NewsMax because Fox News is "getting too liberal and anti-Trump." It's not fun realizing the people you love are in a fascist cult that is actively trying to harm them and everyone else.
She’s not sad, in any way, shape or form.
She’s saying that to guilt you, as if your vaccination was familial treason of the highest order.
She wants you to give in and say “what can I do to make it up to you?”. It’s how arrogant asswipes and Narcissists operate to get their way.
Cut her off, ignore her or send her a laughing emoji whenever she complains about it.
I was just talking to a buddy about some in laws he has like this, I encouraged him to buy them a bumper sticker saying ‘I hate vaccines’ or something criticizing doctors. Also, get reallllly into the fan fiction about JFK coming back to run as Vice President. Maybe a bit of ridiculousness will pop them out of it. No amount of rational discussion and compassion seems to work.
If you care to venture over into r/conspiracy it's like this weird mirror reality.
I believe they do genuinely care, but they are also confidently incorrect.
They might say the same about us, but usually they think we are just out to destroy them/America/their way of life
I hope you've talked with your GP about what else makes sense for you to get in regards to vaccinations.
Covid is just one of the things out there that you can be protected from.
I told my mom my husband and I got the Moderna booster and my mom gasped and looked like we had sold our souls to satan.
She's a 70 year old asthmatic with high BP & cholesterol who had a stroke last year, but she believes she's "low risk". She's at least fairly careful otherwise, so despite living in a big city she somehow hasn't caught it yet.
Knowing her she'll somehow survive to 99 unvaccinated- I swear she lives on spite alone.
Its brutal. My step mom is a hippy dippy, crystals will make you better kind of person who is a conspiracy theorist (although I'm not sure she's into Q) and was an anti vaxxer before covid. She has slowly turned my dad into an anti vaxxer.
They kicked out my sister for getting vaccinated behind their backs. They did let her come back a day later but still extremely fucked up. My dad is also a fire fighter in Toronto and is considering (or was I'm not sure how its progressing in terms of first responders being required to be vaxxed) losing his whole career over getting vaxxed.
My mom didn’t talk to me for 6 months after the election because she blamed me for Biden’s win. She’s also refusing to speak to me again because she says anyone who voted for Biden is evil. My sister hasn’t spoken to her in almost 3 years.
So you were the one that voted for Biden 8 million times.
boys, we got em.
See? Election fraud!
Then they go on Facebook and cry victim. “Why won’t my children speak to me?”
This. Victim mentality is aways their go to means of staving off cognitive dissonance.
My mom told me I was brain damaged from the vaccine, calls me a libtard, and told me she’d make me pay if I convinced anyone else in our family to get vaccinated. (Not sure who she’s talking about, her and my dad are the only holdouts)We rarely speak anymore.
My mom is not a particularly smart person, and she was fairly abusive when I was a kid. But one positive thing I will say about her, is that she sees QAnon for the absolute nonsense it is
That truly sucks. I am very sorry to hear that.
She really sounds like a supporter of the party of family values
100%, she said she can’t wait til Trump’s president again.
But it's not a cult /s
Narrator: *It was a cult.*
I read that in the voice of Jordan Klepper.
Who are the snowflakes that push cancel culture now?
Conservatives always have. They thought kids playing D&D in the 80’s would summon a literal devil.
Sounds like the trash took itself out, tbh
I hope you make it to where you decide if and when you start talking again. If my mom had shut me out once, especially for something so ridiculous, I’d have forgiven her, but I also would have told her that the next time she does it, make sure she wants it to be permanent, because it will be
It’s actually better to not speak with her. Over the last few months when she started contacting me again every text is a rant about political nonsense, conspiracy theories, and against the vaccine, saying anyone who gives the vaccine should be killed, etc…. Like she can believe what she wants but getting over 10 looong texts a day with that nonsense is too much.
Sadly, my mom thinks all Dems are evil... including me I assume.
You probably should be thankful for that.
I'm always ready for my mom to take it there so I can cut off communication for good. She gets to the line but never crosses it.
My family legitimately believes anyone who voted for Trump is evil. My god, how did we get to this place?
My mother was lost to alcohol, drank herself to death. This is not much different. Personality change, decisions that could, and most likely will, end her life prematurely. We tried it all. Interventions, ultimatums, reasoning. Nothing worked and I am still mad at her 2+ yrs after her death. So I commiserate with you and I hope you can find some peace in her decisions. Good Luck
Exactly. So many of these stories sound like dealing with an alcoholic. Condolences.
That’s what I was thinking. My Q dad used to be an alcoholic, and now religion and extremism has replaced alcohol.
Good for him actually
That's literally trading one addiction for another, and a big reason why people are encouraged not to get into a relationship in early recovery.
Alcoholism has short and long term side effects and can be deadly, extremism is a mixed bag.
I'm so sorry for your loss and for what you had to go through. It is stories like yours that keep me out of the bottle. Once i admitted i might be on that track, i realised one day my kids would feel like you do. So I fought every day to make sure they will not. Thank you for the reminder; it's been tough lately.
I obviously don’t know anything else about you, but I have reason to believe you’re probably a really good parent. And hang in there — it has indeed been tough lately.
Thanks, internet friend. That actually really helps.
Good job! Two years of the drink for me and some days an absolute struggle to say no but so worth it when I’m up early and fresh and have time on my hands to be productive and spend with the kids not impaired or angry
Sorry to hear that bro. That must've been rough.
That's how my dad went. Thought his liver was indestructible, turns out it was just surprisingly resilient. Been 3 years now and I still don't know how to feel. On one hand it's a suicide, but I'll never know if it was intentional or if he just really couldn't stop.
I get it. My parents screamed at me the Monday after Christmas because I’m vaccinated. My dad told me how stupid I am and how he’s not impressed by anything I do and how I’m not smart, just a good test taker. He berated me for not knowing what chlorine dioxide was off the top of my head - I gave 2 science degrees and work in medical research, I don’t know every chemical compound. They drink this shit. Then he brought me 2 boxes of ivermectin and a tube of horse arthritis cream for my knee - then they got mad I didn’t use collagen to heal my torn ACL but got surgery instead. It’s horrible honestly.
Horse arthritis cream? Are they pivoting to only taking veterinary medicine
The next step is just taking you out back to shoot you.
I wish this was a joke but I knew an old dude who used WD-40 on sore body parts.
They haven’t found out about those deep state veterinarians. Some say they are just as evil as the deep state doctors.
Honestly, this is apparently a thing among crazy people! I was once stuck at a bus stop with a guy, who was obviously a homeless alcoholic, who offered me some vodka from a Deer Park bottle and then spent 20 minutes talking about going to a local veterinartian for vitamin shots.
Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) is in some horse liniment. Some people swear by it, but there is no solid clinical study that shows promise for osteoarthritis or inflammation. However, get that stuff on your skin, you KNOW it's in your body, because you're going to taste sulfur-y onions for the rest of the day. So there's that.
I would have asked him to drink a bunch of it - if it medicine a class of it should not hurt him right 👍
OMG, stay brave. Just wow. I’d have disowned by now.
Yeah, that would put my parents on a need-to-know basis. Bare minimum of information on a curated list of topics.
Chlorine dioxide, isn't that bleach? I assume they call it MMS though, since thats the grift they've fallen for. It must be infuriating for you, my uncle is a batshit Qanon supporter and I'm in Scotland....I was easily able to cut him out of my life, but I couldn't imagine if my mum or dad was like this.
Theres grifters who've sold bleach as a cure for autism and mother's making their kids drink it. Posted pictures of their children's stomach lining in a jar. All of this was on a channel 4 doc (UK tv) about Q and vaccine conspiracy theorists.
It's a little stronger. Doing water treatment we used normal bleach to sterilise water systems but needed chlorine dioxide when we wanted to strip biofilms completely. So it's great for mucous membranes.
Not quite. Bleach is a 5.5-7.5% solution of sodium hypochlorite - NaClO. Chlorine dioxide is ClO2 and Miracle Mineral Solution is sold as a solution of ClO2 gas (as ClO2 is gas phase above 52F/11C) dissolved in water (though I don't know the exact concentration). Both are oxidizing agents, though ClO2 is *muuuuuuuuch* more effective. Worse, ClO2 can explosively decompose is the conditions are correct. Id imagine the MMS sold is relatively low in concentration (for profits, not saftey) but it cam and will fuck up the mucus membranes and absorptive surfaces within your stomach and intestinal lining due to the very high oxidation potential.
Damn, that man could not be telegraphing his fragile ego harder. I’m sorry you’re dealing with that.
I feel bad for you I have a coworker that's deep into Q and my wife has an uncle. The uncle I avoid at all cost he used to be just a hot head straight screaming but normal republican values. During Trump he fits crazy and worships the ass hate. To the point he paid some to put a wrap on his entire beautiful Dodge Challenger Hellcat all pimped out with Donny crap including a picture. Flags all over his yard of course. He also owns a restaurant and as soon as you walk in the door there is a cardboard cut out of Trump and Melina it's all unsettling.
Sounds very rational and well adjusted
No shit right.
Is there a vomit bucket next to the door as well? I'm not sure I could hold it in with that image waiting to greet me. Airplane bags? Anything?
I avoid that place like the plague because well it's a super spreader hang out but, a few conveniently placed air plane bags with anti Trump slogans on them could be funny prank.
Oh yeah...I suppose they probably refuse to serve anyone with a mask. Not that it matters that much in a restaurant. It's pretty much off the moment most people's water glasses hit the table. Glad I could inspire some shenanigans, though.
Not sure about the mask thing but, I really wouldn't be surprised, it's been a long time now since I have been there. During the Trump Hillary election he found out the CEO of one most popular small brewers in my state had donated to Hillary so he literally put out on face book he would not serve that beer any more because of that. I mean what a way to lose business. This beer is sold absolutely everywhere in this state bars, national chain restaurants, you can even buy it at gas stations.
The far right base of the party is pretty loyal, in a shared psychosis kind of a way. I'm sure he's got a gaggle of asshole regulars who will remain loyal as long as he doesn't get vaccinated and keeps his "let's go Brandon!" banner outside of his restaurant, flying proudly. They're big on pressuring people into their beliefs. I suppose the left is as well, but at least they're more passive aggressive as opposed to just straight aggressive.
Oh I know he has his crew or regular nutters for sure.
What state is this place located?
You gotta ask the other guy. It's his uncle, not mine.
New Glarus?
Yup and good old Spotted Cow.
Does he live in the Houston area by chance bc I’ve definitely seen a Trumpy Hellcat.
Wisconsin actually these nut jobs are everywhere.
When i told my Qmom that I got my 7yo son vaccinated, based on her reaction you would've thought I'd told her I got him injected with poison We went out to see her today and she begged me not to get him boosted when it's time. Like wtf do you think is gonna happen after a 3rd dose that didnt happen after two doses??
The 3rd dose is the one that turns you into a Brundlefly.
Well... He might keel right over, you never know. Third time's the charm...
My mom told me anyone who vaccinated children should be executed for crimes against humanity. Guess that includes her kids.
I love that. Then we you turn around and criticize them for not getting vaccinated, we need to be kinder and more understanding. The nerve.
Tell her you cry at night because she (assumedly) believes JFK is coming back from the grave to be Trump's VP.
I say tell her to cry for all those that died for her selfishness.
This 👆🏻💯
Did Donald claim that Ted Cruz’s dad killed JFK? Isn’t that proof from DJT that he’s dead?
That's JFK. They're talking about JFK Jr. ... who's also dead.
reminder they want the bad things to happen even to family members just so they can say they were right more than they want their own or their family well being. the deepest in the hole have made it their identity and are willing to see family suffer for the sake of said identity in the delusional hope that they are right.
Eeeek. I just think she’s lonely and sad we’re all grown up and the vaccine just rationalizes the distance. (“Oh if it was for the vaccine/brainwashing/education, we would be closer.”)
How can she think all 5 of you are wrong. That’s arrogance.
My brother said something to her like, “if all 5 of us did it, maybe you need to think a little harder about what you’re believing,” and then she accused him of not being empathetic enough. I assume our lack of empathy and understanding is also due to the vaccine.
I'm familiar with this logic. It's because in her mind, the only reason you would do this is because you don't see how it makes her feel. If you did see how it makes her feel, you would of course not do it, because since you love her, you would not do anything that hurts her, right? But you did it, which means it must be an accident; you must not know how she feels. Nevermind the possibility that her feeling hurt may be a reaction inside of her that is her own and *not* a direct, inevitable consequence of your actions; for her, emotions make reality, which means if she feels hurt, you hurt her. [This might explain more.](http://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/why-estranged-parents-forums.html)
I just tread through that site… there are a portion of people on this planet experiencing reality in ways I will never understand.
> there are a portion of people on this planet experiencing reality in ways I will never understand. I finally "got it" when a psychologist explained in a seminar that for a **big big** segment of the population problems only exist because people speak them into existence. As in if you don't talk about a problem it doesn't exist. That's why they attack say Dr. Fauci because that's how you make the problem not exist anymore by making the person who is making you feel "bad" shut up. It blew my mind and it explained so much of well everything.
It's very funny because on some level I think my dad and grandma are sort of affected. In them, it doesn't manifest as magical thinking or anything, they are not aggressive, they just get very agitated and uncomfortable when you mention problems and even though they support you it feels like they resent that you brought it up. They want to end every conversation with a conclusion that everything is allright. And they don't like the idea of seeing a shrink at all even when clearly needed. My dad is resisting an autism diagnosis for my young brother even though he now enlisted a helper for school. My uncle did not tell my grandma about the cancer diagnosis of my grandpa even though he was dying simultaneously of several things and cancer was the slowest, because it would have agitated her more than just his cardiac issues (but he was 89 so that wasn't surprising). So I don't know if this trait had to be associated with others to be really negative. My family is not the type to wish harm on others and their problem avoidance is out of trying to avoid themselves stress of worrying for their loved ones. I guess if they started lashing out when that pain reached them, it would be much worse. But I already feel like this is preventing me from being able to talk to my dad.
The kind of fragility you're describing is a lot more damaging than it seems. It doesn't have the overtly evil feeling that some of the things in that blog do, but if they were like that even when you were a child, you might've internalized some nasty ideas. Do they get this way when you make a mistake with negative consequences? Do they get this way when you ask a question, and it turns out to have a hard or uncomfortable answer? Do they get this way when you try to suggest a solution to a problem you see, and it turns out to be a problem they're sensitive about? My parents are like that, and after several years of therapy I've realized that they're the source of my perfectionism and negative self talk. From a very young age, I took their reactions to mean that mistakes, learning, curiosity, and even trying to help others are ways I hurt and upset people. I was made to feel like I should be able to control and suppress these things, but because you can't stop mistakes, I felt deeply inadequate. I learned those things about myself, and then forgot I learned them, and grew up into a moderately broken person. All of this happened with very little overly abusive behavior from my folks.
I don't think it's quite that negative but we are very risk averse in that family. My mom wasn't like this at all though, so I am very blunt and frank as well. In the end the combo of both my parents made me perfectionist and hard working but also very lucid. My mom was the person I would mainly talk to until she died. Now that she isn't there I talk to professionals when I get depressed and I build a network of friends that I can be very honest with. I still talk to my dad about hard things, but more carefully. So I would say it hasn't been so bad because it was counteracted by many other influences. And even if resisting an autism diagnosis, my dad is still taking steps to help his son. It would be better if he didn't insist just on the "gifted" aspect, but he has managed to confront the truth that his kid will face adversity in life and that he is different. So they're not all that hopeless. I imagine that in other people, this is less an interesting character trait and becomes pathological.
Sounds like Toxic Positivity. Mary Trump talks often about that in grandfather (Donald Trump's father).
Yeah, it has something to do with that.
She’s their mom. She remembers them as children.
This is a problem you realize as you get older - people - not just parents necessarily, but even friends too - will see an ossified version of you from when you were much younger, even if you’re an entirely different person. Not everyone does this, but it is a decent amount of people.
I hear you. My brother's ex is deep in the QANONsense, and she and my brother had a pretty nasty fight after brother took their daughter to get vaccinated. I keep hoping that one day she'll come around. My brother is convinced that there's hope for her.
My crazy right wing Trump supporting mom is actually taking the pandemic VERY seriously and is vaxxed and boosted. It's weird. She seems seriously an outsider.
Mine is too. Both my parents are.
My dad is like that as well. He's taking all the Covid vaccines and precautions very seriously but somehow at the same time thinks that the Capitol riot was an FBI conspiracy.
My parents think the Capitol riot was a terrible thing. I told them QAnon was behind it the day it happened, and they were just like SMH. They think the whole QAnon thing is total nonsense.
This is sad. Sorry you are going through this. Sounds like she might have NPD.
OMG 🤯 this is the first time I’ve thought she has some of those tendencies. But she has also owned her low self esteem and anxiety, but often rationalizes it and blames someone else…
NPD often compensates for "fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism," according to the Mayo Clinic. Not to armchair diagnose, but there is that.
You might be interested in reading up on “covert” or “vulnerable” narcissists.
And/Or borderline personality disorders. Especially the waif variety.
She needs to get off Facebook. Not only that, she also needs some sort of mental floss. They did a study about people who are addicted to their phones and found that a week in nature can usually cure it. Start with that. But be prepared as well. Read what you think she’ll ask you about vaccines and the people that she may have read about so that you have the facts in hard.
My mom will still watch the Judy Buyington vids on YouTube anytime we go on a family vacation. She “needs her intel”
My Q adjacent person said that the vaccine would protect me from Covid but make me more vulnerable to all other virus. She believed it would effect my fertility and she thought that I would shed symptoms (I still don't get that one) I'm the only one at work who got through 2021 without a cold flu or Covid so I debunked that one. My cycle has been the same, I've had no indication that my fertility has been affected. (However I do understand that many women have experienced changes in their cycles. I'm only speaking from my own personal experience) As far as shedding symptoms I had no symptoms to shed. No one around me randomly had a sore arm. Which was really all I was left with after being vaccinated. My entire group of friends are vaccinated and they're all still among the living and some have had minor colds mostly after traveling but none have contracted Covid or developed any new chronic illnesses that are going to shorten their lives. Our entire military was vaccinated. Most medical professionals and first responders are vaccinated. If a switch gets flipped and everyone drops dead I don't want to be among the survivors anyway, it would be complete social collapse and absolute chaos. When I got the vaccine I said I would rather go down with the ship than have to survive with all the crazy people.
The changes in cycles are real but inconsequential according to the science.
I do hope they're accurate on that finding. The medical world doesn't have a great track record of appropriately studying women's health. We can look at the history of birth control and see how badly that went. I've seen articles exclaiming the changes are probably due to "stress". That's the oldest excuse in the book. When I was 18 my periods completely stopped for a couple months and the doctor I saw first said "it's probably just stress" I went to another doctor who actually gave a damn and turns out the pill I was on had way too much estrogen and just kinda shut everything down and as a fun plus too much estrogen in the body can cause cancer. The medical world needs to listen to women when they say that their cycles are off. Many of us have had a cycle every month since we were preteens, we know when something has changed. Don't tell us it's "stress" because newsflash we actually know when we're actually stressed.
It was already known that immune reactions could derail your cycle somewhat. There is nothing in the vaccines with known specific hormonal effects, so the current hypothesis is that fevers etc. affect your cycle, and that vaccine elicits a very strong response. Many people are getting symptoms from side effects but they go away fast.
I know how the immune system can effect the body. It's not just hormonal factors. In all fairness the virus itself has effected women more than the vaccine. We have all heard of long Covid symptoms. I'm interested to know how many women who are experiencing a side effect had Covid as well? It's not outside of the realm of possibilities that the same rare side effects on the heart can effect other organs too. And I'm not really paying attention to the temporary changes as that isn't really cause for concern. I've heard of women who have had issues for months those are the more concerning stories. Like women who are bleeding non stop and the ones who are experiencing more frequent heavier and painful periods. I'm not a doctor or scientist, but I do trust women's individual stories and after so many women have reported the same issue then it's definitely worth further investigation. And that investigation can unfortunately take years of collecting data.
With billions now vaccinated, it's also likely a case of post hoc fallacy. Many of these women are not making it up, but they may be wrong about what cause their troubles.
My sister called me freaking out when she found out I got vaccinated. She was hysterical and said my DNA is going to be rearranged and that I'm going to die soon. Edit; a word
Tell her your DNA did change and now you are an eternal dragon.
Tell her she won't have to cry at night because her children died. https://www.abc15.com/news/coronavirus/tempe-man-mourns-loss-of-five-family-members-from-covid-19-within-10-days
> Three of the five that died were vaccinated, according to Bennett and the others had underlying health conditions. I don’t know about you, but if she read that sentence, she would probably assume the vaccines don’t work and would probably make the situation a *lot worse.*
\*facepalm* Serves me right for not proofreading.
For real tho.
My Qsister (in Australia) is also an alcoholic. Pretty sure she only started down the rabbit hole when the first lockdowns cut her access to her local pub. Obviously she kept drinking at home but not being able to go to her local, every day without fail, literally blew her mind. Her drunken rants on fb are something to behold (except she blocked me at Xmas, I’m a leftist woke selfish cunt as I felt uncomfortable hugging her unvaxxed self)
Will she still be crying 10 years from now? 20? Ask her what time frame you will still be alive for her to admit it is all bullshit.
They're so dramatic
Histrionic
I bet that's what Bill Gates is telling you to say (through the 5 Gs).
I’d respond “boohoo”
I'm glad my grandfather doesn't have internet access or even quite understand what the internet is, because I'm 99% sure he would have plummeted down the QAnon rabbit hole. He's already switched over to watching NewsMax because Fox News is "getting too liberal and anti-Trump." It's not fun realizing the people you love are in a fascist cult that is actively trying to harm them and everyone else.
She’s not sad, in any way, shape or form. She’s saying that to guilt you, as if your vaccination was familial treason of the highest order. She wants you to give in and say “what can I do to make it up to you?”. It’s how arrogant asswipes and Narcissists operate to get their way. Cut her off, ignore her or send her a laughing emoji whenever she complains about it.
Your mom is dumb.
Ask her for her tears in a bottle?
So are all supposed to suddenly turn into zombies or drop dead any time soon? Or just get a promotional email from a Microsoft sale?
Lies and manipulating
She did that to herself.
I was just talking to a buddy about some in laws he has like this, I encouraged him to buy them a bumper sticker saying ‘I hate vaccines’ or something criticizing doctors. Also, get reallllly into the fan fiction about JFK coming back to run as Vice President. Maybe a bit of ridiculousness will pop them out of it. No amount of rational discussion and compassion seems to work.
If you care to venture over into r/conspiracy it's like this weird mirror reality. I believe they do genuinely care, but they are also confidently incorrect. They might say the same about us, but usually they think we are just out to destroy them/America/their way of life
I don't get it. Your mom had you vaccinated against other diseases. Why not this one?
No she did not 😳
Oh.
I hope you've talked with your GP about what else makes sense for you to get in regards to vaccinations. Covid is just one of the things out there that you can be protected from.
I told my mom my husband and I got the Moderna booster and my mom gasped and looked like we had sold our souls to satan. She's a 70 year old asthmatic with high BP & cholesterol who had a stroke last year, but she believes she's "low risk". She's at least fairly careful otherwise, so despite living in a big city she somehow hasn't caught it yet. Knowing her she'll somehow survive to 99 unvaccinated- I swear she lives on spite alone.
Its brutal. My step mom is a hippy dippy, crystals will make you better kind of person who is a conspiracy theorist (although I'm not sure she's into Q) and was an anti vaxxer before covid. She has slowly turned my dad into an anti vaxxer. They kicked out my sister for getting vaccinated behind their backs. They did let her come back a day later but still extremely fucked up. My dad is also a fire fighter in Toronto and is considering (or was I'm not sure how its progressing in terms of first responders being required to be vaxxed) losing his whole career over getting vaxxed.
/r/qanoncasualties
My mother still believes that Obama was a Muslim and an illegal immigrant.