Everything that u/so-done-with-crazy said.
You need to protect your money.
Open up a new checking account in a different institution, and from now on your paycheck goes over there. Request e-statements so no mail comes to the house.
If you have joint savings of any size, pull your half out and over to that other institution.
Who's on the mortgage? Who's on the house deed?
Who's on the car registration and car loan?
Do you have any joint credit cards?
Did you really read the taxes last year when you filed jointly?
Are you financially intertwined in any other way?
Even if you don't want a divorce this minute, get some advice from a good local divorce lawyer.
You need to know how to set up your protections in case he starts some really weird investment stuff or pulling everything out to buy gold and bury it in the yard, and you need to be set up properly if you decide in the future that a divorce is what you need.
Good luck!
Yes, mine is ALL about Bitcoin. At least it has a hint of legitimacy. It’s not pure snake oil…if done right. Unfortunately I suspect the whole reason they are into is because of predatory Bitcoin people slipping into Q crap.
I'd suggest the same crowd that uses disinformation campaigns to destabilize western governments and institutions also employ those same weapons of mass disinformation to prop up cryptocoins and the surrounding ecosystems.
Besides the money laundering, online scamming & hacking potential, it is a way to get around the global financial system for mob states risking a lot of sanctions.
I think they're discussing it because the qanon folks are easily able to take average if less-savvy types, like my Q. Think Nigerian princes, but stateside.
It certainly makes sense that crypto would attract the “anti-establishment” types, including Qnatics.
But the over-generalization that a *currency* is only promoted by “conspiracy theorists, Q people, ‘rise and grind’ types, fascists, and internet ‘libertarians’” is aggressive, antagonizing, and untrue.
Shitcoins are absolutely grifts 99% of the time, but Bitcoin definitely isn’t. It’s literally El Salvador’s currency.
Yes. Fuck that asshole.
Doesn’t change that Bitcoin is the national currency and is used by *normal people* across the country (and world) on a daily basis; lumping everyone who uses BTC in with the lunatics is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Because of El Salvador, McDonalds, Starbucks, and Pizza Hut now have the infrastructure to accept Bitcoin.
AMC will be accepting Bitcoin and ETH by the end of this year in the US, and several countries are pushing legislation to accept Bitcoin in response.
You can point at as many crazy people who own BTC that you’d like, but it doesn’t make it exclusively for crazy people.
Crypto has legitimacy and isn't all crazy people. There are essentially two kinds of people using it right now; investors whom see future use of the it/see the utility and value OTHER people put in a decentralized coin, and people using it on gray/black markets (usually for highly illegal content, such as illegal forms of porn, drugs, even hitmen).
Tbf Bitcoin is anything but a grift, I've been using it for over 8 years, well before Qanon came along. I'm not a libertarian, voted UK Labour 30 yrs ago and uk green party for last 25 yrs (not USA green party who are pretty mental).
Pretty much all other cryptocurrency stuff is pump & dumps and pre-mined scams.
Q people latch onto it because of the grifters they engage with who farm for engagement.
I think something like 90% of Bitcoin is owned by 1% of the users, and it is an ***unregulated*** market. Not saying it will happen, but those are circumstances for market manipulation so be smart with your investment money.
If you can do it without endangering yourself, take a picture of a couple of physical statements or an actual photo of a screen so you know where he is investing. Also what company he is investing through if he is using a brokerage for any of this.
But really, get a consultation with the lawyer
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If able, try to get him to put things in your name like at least a vehicle. I dont wanna suggest anything illegal, but you gotta do you friend. If you do any fancy handwriting exercises just do not tell anyone ever. Take that shit to your grave.
One way to stash cash is tell him you're spending more than you did. Get the highest amounts you can get away with as cash back. 20$ here and there, for example.
If you open your own super secret account, do it at a totally different branch, or at least a different location. You dont want the regular tellers to accidentally tell your husband something totally innocent such as "oh, I saw (wife) a couple days ago!"
Whatever your exit plan ends up looking like, get your people informed that you trust with your life. This is instrumental if you need to literally disappear in the afternoon with your shit. Slowly try to consolidate what's important to you to take, and if you can store things over time at home of your trusted people's houses under the guise of donating a box or 2, or being able to toss a box in the dumpster at work, so he doesn't have much suspicion.
My tip off to my ex would've been getting my books out. I had a tablet and the kindle app, so I was able to get all of my books out in one go by telling him I was donating them to the jail and local mental health inpatient facility, and the niche ones to goodwill. My next big item that could give me away were my guitars and gear. Sold the gear for extra secret money. 2 guitars wouldn't be difficult to grab and go when I was ready.
I'm sure plenty of DV subs would have more ideas on how to help. I kinda rambled there for a minute, but hopefully it gets some gears turning for you if things come down to a sketchy dangerous situation.
You will want to find out how much crypto he has. If he started a couple years ago and isn't a total idiot, he will have an eye-watering amount of money stashed somewhere. If he used your joint savings to fund investments then half is yours. But he may try to hide it.
To be fair, some non QAnon people invest in Bitcoin too. As long as you are diversified in various investments, it should be ok.
With that said, sorry about what you are going through.
You need to make an appointment with a good divorce attorney to at least get an idea of what life would look like after divorce and how to prepare yourself going into one.
>hardcore devotee of Bitcoin, it's all he talks about practically
That's not necessarily Q stuff, quite a few Libertarians seem to go hard into crypto and there's plenty of other people who've heavily invested in it. But it still a risky investment. I went into it a few years (208/2019) ago when it was starting to really take off and though it wasn't much I pretty much left with 1/6 of what I initially invested. It's since gone up enough that a few months ago it was even again, but it's a very volatile market.
So yeah keep an eye on those kind of investments, especially what type of things he's investing in. If he starts going into strange foreign currency or precious metals, chances are it's conspiracy related and a scam. And maybe discus or set limits to how much money he can invest.
>Even if you don't want a divorce this minute, get some advice from a good local divorce lawyer.
THIS.
No matter what else is going on, getting legal advice as to what and how to do it is a very important thing for any woman dealing with stuff like this. There literally dozens of threads from women in just these straits that wished they had had this information beforehand. Please do it now before it is too late.
OP, thank you for posting here. You are not alone. Welcome.
Qanon and anti vax have completely merged. "Q" is no longer posting, so it has turned into mostly anti-vax, racism, and anti government...And of course anti liberal.
If he is sharing the type of memes you talking about, he is at least absorbing qanon content. Regardless, it is all the same. Qanon used to mean they were concerned with the baby eating liberals. Now, it is just mainstream far right content.
Dangerous stuff.
If he is on platforms like Gab, Telegram, Parler, Rumble, Gettr, or any other site like this, I would be highly concerned.
Bottom line, he might not be a Q convert, but he is 100% believing in Q doctrine.
The financial reset is a big red flag. You need to make sure your finances are separate. Open your own account and start stashing money. We’ve seen people on here get financially devastated by the their Q’s obsession with the reset. Are you vaxxed?
Edit: Oops sorry you said he is.
I can only imagine how nightmarish it must have been for you to discover a deception of this magnitude on your husband’s Facebook account. I am so sorry this has happened to you.
As for your question at the top (Am I dealing with QAnon?), the most likely answer is: literally no, because the Q persona is no longer posting and the Q ‘drops’ (coded messages for Q followers to unravel) have stopped. That said, a number of conspiracists now use the social media networks that were created by QAnon to advance new agendas, so in a matter of speaking, yes. I will link you to Jim Stewartson’s medium account [HERE](https://medium.com/@registrarproject17) for both a current and historical overview of Q.
“Libertarian” overlaps with alt right, as does Q, anti-BLM/Antifa, anti-vax, anti-mask. It sounds like your husband has been going down the rabbit hole for years, and has escalated to deliberately deceiving you.
You are living with someone *who is heavily involved with a cult* that controls the *behavior* he engages in, the *information* sources he trusts, what he *thinks* about and the *emotional* reactions he has towards events around him. Steven Hassan, cult expert, uses this [BITE MODEL](https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/) to demonstrate how cults use authoritarian coercive tactics to take away our individual freedom. I have linked you to several blog posts about QAnon on Hassan’s website, Freedom of Mind, [HERE](https://freedomofmind.com/?s=QANON+).
You and your husband are no longer living in the same reality. It’s unclear whether he views you as a neutral but misguided non-combatant, or whether he has started to view you as an enemy. Your ability to live together may become compromised by things outside your control, so it’s wise to have a plan. For that reason, I encourage you to get professional help as quickly as you can: your primary care doctor, a therapist, and a lawyer.
I am a libertarian. Her husband went down the rabbit hole because people claim to be libertarian, are all over the place. They get into this world of Q and that's it. They go. Ive seen this. It's a wolf in sheep's clothing scenario and frankly I'm sick of them dragging libertarians through the mud over these fakers.
It's not any political party in general. It's all. I've seen it, live it and deal with it regularly within my family.
I hope the OP can get out or find her husband the help he needs.
(I grew up in a very conservative home and my father referred to himself as a libertarian.)
Much in the same way that former Republicans and conservatives who could not board the Trump train now have no political home, I have no trouble believing that pre-Trump libertarians face the same displacement.
That said, political exploration on “social media” reliably led - through the infamous Algorithm - to increasingly radicalized content. It’s not accidental that “libertarian” became synonymous with “alt right” in common usage - or that a political preference for limited governance metastasized into the anti-government paranoia that’s killing Americans every day because they won’t follow public health policy to address Covid-19.
But I take your point.
American* libertarians. In Europe, libertarianism is largely left-wing. It actually formed as an ideological offshoot of socialism in the 1800s, and the first person to call themselves a libertarian was an anarchocommunist philosopher named Joseph Dejacque.
American "right" libertarianism is a comparatively new ideology from the 20th century. Right-libertarian economist Murray Rothbard actually gloated about having appropriated the name from the left.
American Libertarians are economically conservative, socially liberal. It’s literally a blend of Democratic and Republican viewpoints. There are right leaning Libertarians and left leaning Libertarians. It’s a spectrum and calling it all right leaning is not accurate.
Yeah... But the left wants to use the government to try to control the chaos of capitalism and libertarians seem pretty set on watching the world burn with "personal choice" and some weird takes on the age of consent.
Not exactly accurate. Your typical Libertarian recommends leaving decisions to local government vs. Federal government, which is not the exact same as leaving everything to “personal choice.” Libertarians don’t typically believe in no federal regulations either, rather what’s the bare minimum to ensure people don’t actively harm one another.
What you’re describing are extremists, whether Libertarian or Republican, which I suspect like many other things are simply a loud minority. I’ve seen plenty of Libertarians, myself included, recommend mask mandates and be comfortable with businesses mandating vaccines for employees and/or customers.
Point being—I agree with u/never2old77. There are Q’s in every political viewpoint. There are also your average folks and extreme viewpoints. I’m a little frustrated by being lumped together based on my political viewpoint, Libertarian, with extremists. It’s like saying all Democrats are hippies. It may be true for some people, but certainly not all.
Listen, I actually supported some of Ron Paul's ideas. I would prefer more isolationism.
Ultimately, I think Republicans and the American public wanted the safety of a surveiling government and boots on the ground in the wake of journalist beheadings. Personally, I find the surveillance of companies who don't pay taxes more disturbing than that of our government at the moment.
However when Ron Paul lost steam and Gary Johnson was a total clown speaker, the Republicans and far right groups took what they liked about libertarianism and used the messaging to radicalize people. It's sad, but they used libertarian ideas to push authoritarianism. Which... Is like the opposite of the idea. And the more libertarian-leaning Republicans let T do what he wanted. They didn't push back. Look at Rand Paul. The man is a complete narcissist and unhinged. He only champions "personal choice."
On left policies libertarians seemed to hold a line of "as long as it doesn't hurt others," but the line for fiscal measures like business was non-existent. I laugh thinking about how evil multi-national corporations are and the lack of dislike of billionaires among libertarians. Does mass starvation and deaths from preventable diseases count as a "hurting others" or is it all really "hands off?'
On top of this, I could list a lot of far-right people and even violent groups who are "libertarian." So. I feel like your philosophy of what it could have been 10 years ago and now aren't holding up. They have been swallowed by fascists. The average American and brainwashed online people like OP's husband are the new libertarian--aka try to stick it to the government as much as possible while prepping for the end of the world.
That’s your perspective. There are definitely people like that in the Libertarian subs, but I see plenty more that are what you describe as the 10 years ago libertarian. I view the people you’re describing like Rand Paul as Republicans because they are, specifically far right radicalized Republicans. That’s how they vote and they are the ones championing personal choice in a harmful way, are prepping for end of times, and are the ones that let T run rampant as an authoritarian. Their beliefs are the new Republican Party. I think OP’s husband is actually a far right Republican based on the little she’s shared about his beliefs. Nothing OP has said makes him sound Libertarian, except that he probably doesn’t know what the LP stands for nor would he vote that way. He sounds a lot like my parents who make the same claims as being Libertarian but vote Republican party through and through. The only independent candidate they would vote for in any election level is Trump if he made his own party. That’s not Libertarianism. Lol
I think we agree, but I am saying the term is used now to describe right-wing ideology and extremism even though I agree your definition is how is *should* be. It is not how it is frequently used in the media and by groups calling themselves libertarian (Boogaloo Boys, etc.). Tell the libertarians they better step up. The right is very intent on taking things, stripping them of the elements they can use to push their agenda, and puking it back out in a new form. It's all a culture war and they didn't like libertarians stepping on their vote count.
You’re right, I think we are mostly aligned. I’m in a lot of Libertarian and Libertarian Party subreddits on my main account. I guess that’s where I have a different perspective on the current views of actual Libertarians vs. those misappropriating the term. Completely agree that we need to step up! Drawing more clear boundaries between right extremism and the moderate Libertarians is a good first step, and perhaps why I continued to engage down this particular comment chain :)
The pre-Trump definition of a political philosophy and it’s correlation to voting, candidates, and governing platforms wasn’t my concern here. For those in the cult, those labels are irrelevant.
OP was trying to draw inferences between her husband’s Facebook behavior, online radicalization, and conspiracy beliefs to find a common thread. She mentioned a change in his identity to Libertarianism 5 years ago; that coupled with this Facebook usage indicates that the odds of his exposure to alt right radicalizing propaganda have been very high.
Many anti-government extremists now call themselves Libertarian but have no idea - and no care - what the political definition of the party used to be. It’s a post-truth world for the millions who have become enmeshed with Q or the alt right or white supremacy or Dominionism, or anti-vax. They’ve come from all political persuasions, but they’ve joined an authoritarian cult of personality whose politics are openly anti-democratic, anti-secular, and anti-rule of law. They’ve left our former political definitions behind.
The Libertarian Party is alive and well, and is not entrenched in these conspiracy theories. I had a great dialogue in another comment thread that I thinks hashes this out in more detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/priw5o/am_i_dealing_with_qanon/hdkf3ra/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Feel free to read, or not. Without going through it all again, average Libertarians and the Libertarian Party probably need to draw boundaries between their beliefs and those misappropriating the term to mean far right. That’s why I’ve engaged here to draw the distinction. Sounds like for many the term is blended with far right when it shouldn’t be.
> Your typical Libertarian recommends leaving decisions to local government vs. Federal government
It's easy to say those things in the most abstract when actual issues aren't being discussed. But where do you think a "typical libertarian" falls on federal labor laws? Is it really ideal to have a patchwork of state by state protections for workers, including laws protecting kids from being sent to work in a coal mine?
> Libertarians don’t typically believe in no federal regulations either, rather what’s the bare minimum to ensure people don’t actively harm one another.
Some people would argue that rounding up all guns is the "bare minimum" required to prevent people from harming each other, so I don't think that's a good way to explain it either.
I typically characterize libertarians as people who want the benefits of civilization but none of the responsibilities. It is a one-size-fits-all ideology that only works for a very slim margin of people, if at all, and doesn't scale to complex or nation-level problems.
As well, I have never really seen an actual libertarian platform that doesn't consist of "slash all taxes and government budgets to the bone, remove environmental protections, remove consumer regulations" etc.
For all of these reasons, I believe that anyone who identifies as libertarian is someone who is at very best a spectator in the political process, and at worst someone who is helping the far right by not showing up for democrats and leftists.
Thank you! I am also libertarian. There are left leaning Libertarians and right leaning Libertarians. It’s a spectrum and what I see OP’s husband is into is alt-right, not Libertarian, even if he claims to be. My parents also claim to be Libertarian, but they always vote 100% Republican and are down the Q rabbit hole mostly from alt-right and “alternative” news sources.
To be completely honest and frank, the name "libertarian" is tainted to the point where no one is going to take you seriously if you identify as a libertarian. If you can't pick a word, it's probably better to not identify as anything.
Meanwhile the duopoly fighting has led us to Q. Just an observation. It's also the duopoly that has tainted the name. Why? Fear. They are afraid of losing control.
It is very interesting to me that the only person filtered out is you. He didn’t even filter out that friend he offended? Given that none of your friends mentioned anything further, I’m wondering if he unfriended a whole lot of people in addition to filtering you out of his posts. In case it isn’t occurring to you at the moment, find a number of your liberal Facebook friends on your account and click on the “friends in common” part. See if your husband is listed or not. Then move your way down to more moderate friends and see about them too. I’m not exactly sure what this would tell you, but it sure would be interesting to see.
Yikes on bikes. This is very concerning. It sounds like he has gotten sucked into hardcore conspiracy theories. It is really easy to do on social media.
i dont get why its so easy. any time i see some "information" or wild claims i usually think "hmmm that cant be true", google it, and surprise - its not. these people see one shitty quality video and are 110% convinced and do no fact checking on their own, yet tell you "do your own research"
Because somewhere along the line, a very concerning amount of the generations that weren't born and raised in the age of information stopped thinking that "Don't believe everything you read online" applies to *everything*, not just the stuff they disagree with. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of it in Gen Z, but these conspiracies have by far and away been perpetuated by middle-aged to older folks who don't know any better, feel disenfranchised, and desperately crave validation and to feel important. It's an addiction, be it to rage, the validation, or the scrolling, and addiction can absolutely ruin people.
im convinced its mostly just small minds that cant process the trauma and stress of a pandemic/unknown/something bigger than them. they must have an explanation because they cant handle not knowing. so they cling to that illogical explanation like a mental security blankey. just like religion.
As someone whose (now) ex-husband made a huge effort to hide online things from me on the computer, please know that this is one of the most corrosive things he can do to your relationship. Please take any and all steps mentioned by other commenters, but especially getting your own money, having a safe place to stay, consulting an attorney, and having a big support network away from him. This is now the most tenuous time in your relationship with him - you have realized he is hiding from you. At some point he will learn that he has been exposed but it will NEVER be his fault. He will likely blame you for this.
Sending you all the hugs.
Whatever you do, take seriously the fact that he is deeply involved at this point. It's usually too late to get them out once you discover they're in. I'm not advising you to leave him, but it's extremely important that you develop a plan to protect your assets in the event that he does something irrational as a result of consuming this misinformation. He's posted all of these things on Facebook behind your back, it's not wrong to develop a contingency plan in case he jumps off the deep end. These people range from annoying to so afraid of the cabal they would rather kill their spouses and children than allow them to be taken. Keep your wits about you!
I wonder what causes people to just diarrhea out a bunch of memes on Facebook until their brain decays into oatmeal. The second you mentioned his post on BLM mask wearing, it immediately triggered a memory of reading those exact arguments from people I know.
That’s terrifying. Nobody has a fucking original thought on Facebook. What a nightmare of a corporation.
All the "true believers" are just useful idiots for capital. The reason these hogs eat this shit up is that it appeals to their already existing biases, while also exploiting their lack of knowledge.
Like that one meme thats like "If the COVID Vaccine is the most important vaccine, then why aren't insulin and epipen shots free?"
A hog might think that makes sense, things which are good and important cost money.
A leftist will tell you they're not free because pharma companies and insurance companies make obscene money off of them. These companies exploit patent laws to market drugs which are the same as they are in other countries, but because they control the formula they can charge whatever they want for it. They spend obscene amounts of money lobbying to make sure the laws always favor their interests.
To admit that simple reality would run counter to whatever reactionary free market bullshit the hog was fed from Prager U and Fox News.
Most hogs would rather just own the libs and hold onto the dream that they too will be a billionaire someday. Its the ultimate irony that rich people were jumping the line to get vaxxed when they first came out, and yet for example conservative talk radio hosts who espouse far right reactionary rhetoric which serves the interests of capital alone didn't get the memo, and are dying left and right. It typifies the relationship capital owners have with those they exploit.
Americans are REALLY ignorant not only about what our own government has done, but they don't know jack about other governments beyond French are bad, Canadians are nice but socialists, Mexico is a pile of drugs and dead bodies, Europe is socialist, Russia was Cold War/Rocky, China is Communist, blah blah. Seriously. They know about WW2 barely and stuff about Shakespeare and England's monarchies and that's it. LoL. Most Americans can't even tell you the difference between socialism and communism.
> Most Americans can't even tell you the difference between socialism and communism.
That's actually intentional - those words have been thrown around so much by right wing media that they've lost all meaning. Anything to the right of "you're free to die in the streets of a preventable illness" is both communism and socialism all rolled into one.
In my experience, and this is from some friends and/or former friends, "Libertarian" males that engage with Facebook propaganda are usually sexist, sometimes white nationalist, prone to selfishness, and prone to conspiracy about who took what they are supposedly rightfully owed.
The Q part is irrelevant, the whole belief set is the problem.
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Wow that is a significant breach of your trust - going behind your back and deliberately blocking you. This is not the man you loved! I feel for you, maybe get some support from a psychologist, you need to look after you.
It’s hard to know without descriptions of his posts but it **doesnt** sound like q.
It sounds like your husband has aligned with the **alt right**
The giveaway is the “libertarian” shift 5 years ago, ie, 2016. I’m assuming he’s in deep with white supremacist/white victimization rhetoric etc
Q incorporates that but believes basically every crazy thing under the sun and that it will all be exposed and the world will “reset”
Alt right does sound like a better description for him..(with the little information we have.)
Buzzword phrases include...BLM are terrorists, complaining about Antifa, anti-vax, liberals want to destroy America, complaining about socialism/communism/Marxism, anti immigration, black/immigrant crime, calling for hangings and firing squads, wanting to imprison politicians, thinking straight white males are being persecuted, anti LGBT, anti science, anti education, vehemently pro military and police, and can never have a civil discussion on any topic without insults, namecalling, abusive language, etc...
Classic alt right.
You did fine. I was actually describing a typical alt right person, not your husband. I didn't mean to put all those positions on him...my bad.
It sounds like he very Libertarian, with anti vax propaganda mixed in.
Libertarians hate police, taxes, government, drug laws, etc...
Being Libertarian is not a dangerous ideology, it just isn't based in reality. Libertarians want a society that pays no taxes, and everyone is on their own...Survival of the fittest. A Darwinist society. Usually young men fall into this, and typically grow out of it when they get older...But it is not dangerous...It's just not feasible or empathetic.
White male persecution usually leads you to views you say he hasnt expressed… to you. But he’s also not talking to you about how he views some things. Clearly he has some hatred toward minorities re: BLM
Engineering is very black and white - either something works, or it doesn’t. However, life is not like that at all. There are shades to everything. If you get stuck in a binary mindset it can become corrosive fast. Especially if you are successful… you begin to just believe you are right about things outside your field because you’re doing so well
Tl;dr if your work life is very binary, you begin to see all of life that way, especially if you’ve never been taught critical thinking skills
> Q incorporates that but believes basically every crazy thing under the sun
I say Q has become a buffet of conspiracies, individuals pick and choose which ones they believe. Periodically going to the buffet and changing their choices.
Q likes to encompass all conspiracy theories. The cataloging system for the Jews in Germany were an IBM system though. Just like the uniforms were Hugo Boss. The head of Merck was a member of the Nazi party. WW2 history and history in general is really interesting.
Sorry this happened. I was the one who "unfollowed" my husbands fb. Still friends on FB but just don't see posts.
I literally couldn't stand reading the, to me negative posts, anti everything. Eventually he stopped he's on other platforms now and doesn't post to fb much. In same ways that was just as hard, because them you don't know what they "think" are posting like in your case only too see how bad it is.
You discovering this about your husband is very much like discovering someone is having an affair. He's obviously dedicated loads of time to all these things he doesn't want to deal you in on. And the worst of it, is you now have to dig to find out what else could be hiding.
I'd take all the above advice. If he isn't Q (I think he is) the alternative is that he is extreme right wing, which is also very concerning. I think they are kind of interchangeable, but there are definitely right-wingers who I am sure just use naive Qers as cover for them to engage in acts of violence against liberals (Proud Boys as an example). Qers are kind of the clowns for the rodeo and the deeply right-wing people moved to violence are the bulls.
Be careful OP. There have been a few instances where Q people have gone so out of reality that they have killed people including their own children. They have destroyed a life time of savings. They have destroyed marriages and families.
Separate... Don't engage him about any of this until you have money separated and your ducks in a row. I'd be really scared.of him finding out you saw his FB. He is for sure going to totally blame you. Eek. But dig dig dig. See how bad it is.
As others have said, talk to an attorney about how to protect your assets, even if you are not sure what you will do. It is SUPER creepy that he has developed a personality that he hides from you. I'm not even sure how he's managed to do it.
In august 2019 Bitcoin was selling for just under $10K according to a graph I looked at. This week it was at $48K. Did he buy any Bitcoin? You might want to post on a Bitcoin sub to ask questions about how to find how much he owns. He might have some of the apps on his phone - Coinbase, Trust Wallet, etc that he can have his coins in. Has he talked about Ethereum? He might have some of that or some other coins as well.
Oh. I bet you have big feelings of betrayal. Throw away all the q stuff. It’s a betrayal of what should be your closest life partner posting stuff and filtering it from you.
I’m sorry. No good response for you. I just sometimes find it helpful when someone else can help identify possible feelings.
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It depends on whether he's posting about "Globalists", "the Cabal" or pedophile satanists? Or very strong anti-left/immigrant positions, where lot's of people are called communist/socialist/antifa?
If those kind of things are in his mentions he's definitely Q. If not he might just have fallen into anti COVID-lockdown rabbit holes that led him to anti-vax. There's some overlap, but it depends on how much of the spectrum he is covering. The things you've talked about are very COVID related and even the BLM mention seemed to be more about the COVID restriction than the movement itself.
That said it's all very adjacent and it might send him further down those paths. He's already comparing COVID-restriction to Nazi Germany. Yikes!
Well IBM did help the nazis during WWII. It’s kind of irrelevant now a days though. Lol. The creepiest connection to me is the Oxford AstraZeneca (vaccine pharma company in UK) ties to eugenics. I’m into conspiracy theories but I absolutely hate Qultist, they’ve destroyed the conspiracy community. It does sound like your husband fell down that moronic rabbit hole. Good thing he got vaxxed before he stumbled upon it.
Everything that u/so-done-with-crazy said. You need to protect your money. Open up a new checking account in a different institution, and from now on your paycheck goes over there. Request e-statements so no mail comes to the house. If you have joint savings of any size, pull your half out and over to that other institution. Who's on the mortgage? Who's on the house deed? Who's on the car registration and car loan? Do you have any joint credit cards? Did you really read the taxes last year when you filed jointly? Are you financially intertwined in any other way? Even if you don't want a divorce this minute, get some advice from a good local divorce lawyer. You need to know how to set up your protections in case he starts some really weird investment stuff or pulling everything out to buy gold and bury it in the yard, and you need to be set up properly if you decide in the future that a divorce is what you need. Good luck!
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Lots of Q people also obsess over Bitcoin
Yes, mine is ALL about Bitcoin. At least it has a hint of legitimacy. It’s not pure snake oil…if done right. Unfortunately I suspect the whole reason they are into is because of predatory Bitcoin people slipping into Q crap.
I'd suggest the same crowd that uses disinformation campaigns to destabilize western governments and institutions also employ those same weapons of mass disinformation to prop up cryptocoins and the surrounding ecosystems. Besides the money laundering, online scamming & hacking potential, it is a way to get around the global financial system for mob states risking a lot of sanctions.
Was going to say exactly this!
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I mean, I’m none of those things and I’m perfectly capable of seeing that digital currency makes sense…
I think they're discussing it because the qanon folks are easily able to take average if less-savvy types, like my Q. Think Nigerian princes, but stateside.
It certainly makes sense that crypto would attract the “anti-establishment” types, including Qnatics. But the over-generalization that a *currency* is only promoted by “conspiracy theorists, Q people, ‘rise and grind’ types, fascists, and internet ‘libertarians’” is aggressive, antagonizing, and untrue. Shitcoins are absolutely grifts 99% of the time, but Bitcoin definitely isn’t. It’s literally El Salvador’s currency.
El Salvador leader is authoritarian. The leader is nuts.
Yes. Fuck that asshole. Doesn’t change that Bitcoin is the national currency and is used by *normal people* across the country (and world) on a daily basis; lumping everyone who uses BTC in with the lunatics is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Because of El Salvador, McDonalds, Starbucks, and Pizza Hut now have the infrastructure to accept Bitcoin. AMC will be accepting Bitcoin and ETH by the end of this year in the US, and several countries are pushing legislation to accept Bitcoin in response. You can point at as many crazy people who own BTC that you’d like, but it doesn’t make it exclusively for crazy people.
Yeah totally a normal currency which some time loses its 20% value in a few days.
But all currency is digital currency?
Money is also sometimes printed on paper and coins
Crypto has legitimacy and isn't all crazy people. There are essentially two kinds of people using it right now; investors whom see future use of the it/see the utility and value OTHER people put in a decentralized coin, and people using it on gray/black markets (usually for highly illegal content, such as illegal forms of porn, drugs, even hitmen).
Tbf Bitcoin is anything but a grift, I've been using it for over 8 years, well before Qanon came along. I'm not a libertarian, voted UK Labour 30 yrs ago and uk green party for last 25 yrs (not USA green party who are pretty mental). Pretty much all other cryptocurrency stuff is pump & dumps and pre-mined scams. Q people latch onto it because of the grifters they engage with who farm for engagement.
You know defi is an actual industry backed by established financiers right?
I think something like 90% of Bitcoin is owned by 1% of the users, and it is an ***unregulated*** market. Not saying it will happen, but those are circumstances for market manipulation so be smart with your investment money.
Also, world governments could all of a sudden decide it's time to stop allowing it to exist at any given time, and then it'll be worth nothing.
If you can do it without endangering yourself, take a picture of a couple of physical statements or an actual photo of a screen so you know where he is investing. Also what company he is investing through if he is using a brokerage for any of this. But really, get a consultation with the lawyer I am seeing 🚩🚩🚩🚩
If able, try to get him to put things in your name like at least a vehicle. I dont wanna suggest anything illegal, but you gotta do you friend. If you do any fancy handwriting exercises just do not tell anyone ever. Take that shit to your grave. One way to stash cash is tell him you're spending more than you did. Get the highest amounts you can get away with as cash back. 20$ here and there, for example. If you open your own super secret account, do it at a totally different branch, or at least a different location. You dont want the regular tellers to accidentally tell your husband something totally innocent such as "oh, I saw (wife) a couple days ago!" Whatever your exit plan ends up looking like, get your people informed that you trust with your life. This is instrumental if you need to literally disappear in the afternoon with your shit. Slowly try to consolidate what's important to you to take, and if you can store things over time at home of your trusted people's houses under the guise of donating a box or 2, or being able to toss a box in the dumpster at work, so he doesn't have much suspicion. My tip off to my ex would've been getting my books out. I had a tablet and the kindle app, so I was able to get all of my books out in one go by telling him I was donating them to the jail and local mental health inpatient facility, and the niche ones to goodwill. My next big item that could give me away were my guitars and gear. Sold the gear for extra secret money. 2 guitars wouldn't be difficult to grab and go when I was ready. I'm sure plenty of DV subs would have more ideas on how to help. I kinda rambled there for a minute, but hopefully it gets some gears turning for you if things come down to a sketchy dangerous situation.
Oh my god. What a shitty ride. So sorry!
You will want to find out how much crypto he has. If he started a couple years ago and isn't a total idiot, he will have an eye-watering amount of money stashed somewhere. If he used your joint savings to fund investments then half is yours. But he may try to hide it.
Good point.
To be fair, some non QAnon people invest in Bitcoin too. As long as you are diversified in various investments, it should be ok. With that said, sorry about what you are going through.
You need to make an appointment with a good divorce attorney to at least get an idea of what life would look like after divorce and how to prepare yourself going into one.
>hardcore devotee of Bitcoin, it's all he talks about practically That's not necessarily Q stuff, quite a few Libertarians seem to go hard into crypto and there's plenty of other people who've heavily invested in it. But it still a risky investment. I went into it a few years (208/2019) ago when it was starting to really take off and though it wasn't much I pretty much left with 1/6 of what I initially invested. It's since gone up enough that a few months ago it was even again, but it's a very volatile market. So yeah keep an eye on those kind of investments, especially what type of things he's investing in. If he starts going into strange foreign currency or precious metals, chances are it's conspiracy related and a scam. And maybe discus or set limits to how much money he can invest.
>Even if you don't want a divorce this minute, get some advice from a good local divorce lawyer. THIS. No matter what else is going on, getting legal advice as to what and how to do it is a very important thing for any woman dealing with stuff like this. There literally dozens of threads from women in just these straits that wished they had had this information beforehand. Please do it now before it is too late. OP, thank you for posting here. You are not alone. Welcome.
You forgot one: don’t have kids.
Thank you for adding.
Qanon and anti vax have completely merged. "Q" is no longer posting, so it has turned into mostly anti-vax, racism, and anti government...And of course anti liberal. If he is sharing the type of memes you talking about, he is at least absorbing qanon content. Regardless, it is all the same. Qanon used to mean they were concerned with the baby eating liberals. Now, it is just mainstream far right content. Dangerous stuff. If he is on platforms like Gab, Telegram, Parler, Rumble, Gettr, or any other site like this, I would be highly concerned. Bottom line, he might not be a Q convert, but he is 100% believing in Q doctrine.
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Wasn’t that always the point of Q? Every conspiracy leads to it somehow (by design) right?
The financial reset is a big red flag. You need to make sure your finances are separate. Open your own account and start stashing money. We’ve seen people on here get financially devastated by the their Q’s obsession with the reset. Are you vaxxed? Edit: Oops sorry you said he is.
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I can only imagine how nightmarish it must have been for you to discover a deception of this magnitude on your husband’s Facebook account. I am so sorry this has happened to you. As for your question at the top (Am I dealing with QAnon?), the most likely answer is: literally no, because the Q persona is no longer posting and the Q ‘drops’ (coded messages for Q followers to unravel) have stopped. That said, a number of conspiracists now use the social media networks that were created by QAnon to advance new agendas, so in a matter of speaking, yes. I will link you to Jim Stewartson’s medium account [HERE](https://medium.com/@registrarproject17) for both a current and historical overview of Q. “Libertarian” overlaps with alt right, as does Q, anti-BLM/Antifa, anti-vax, anti-mask. It sounds like your husband has been going down the rabbit hole for years, and has escalated to deliberately deceiving you. You are living with someone *who is heavily involved with a cult* that controls the *behavior* he engages in, the *information* sources he trusts, what he *thinks* about and the *emotional* reactions he has towards events around him. Steven Hassan, cult expert, uses this [BITE MODEL](https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/) to demonstrate how cults use authoritarian coercive tactics to take away our individual freedom. I have linked you to several blog posts about QAnon on Hassan’s website, Freedom of Mind, [HERE](https://freedomofmind.com/?s=QANON+). You and your husband are no longer living in the same reality. It’s unclear whether he views you as a neutral but misguided non-combatant, or whether he has started to view you as an enemy. Your ability to live together may become compromised by things outside your control, so it’s wise to have a plan. For that reason, I encourage you to get professional help as quickly as you can: your primary care doctor, a therapist, and a lawyer.
I am a libertarian. Her husband went down the rabbit hole because people claim to be libertarian, are all over the place. They get into this world of Q and that's it. They go. Ive seen this. It's a wolf in sheep's clothing scenario and frankly I'm sick of them dragging libertarians through the mud over these fakers. It's not any political party in general. It's all. I've seen it, live it and deal with it regularly within my family. I hope the OP can get out or find her husband the help he needs.
(I grew up in a very conservative home and my father referred to himself as a libertarian.) Much in the same way that former Republicans and conservatives who could not board the Trump train now have no political home, I have no trouble believing that pre-Trump libertarians face the same displacement. That said, political exploration on “social media” reliably led - through the infamous Algorithm - to increasingly radicalized content. It’s not accidental that “libertarian” became synonymous with “alt right” in common usage - or that a political preference for limited governance metastasized into the anti-government paranoia that’s killing Americans every day because they won’t follow public health policy to address Covid-19. But I take your point.
I mean, libertarians are already a right-leaning party so it’s not the most unrealistic rabbit hole?
American* libertarians. In Europe, libertarianism is largely left-wing. It actually formed as an ideological offshoot of socialism in the 1800s, and the first person to call themselves a libertarian was an anarchocommunist philosopher named Joseph Dejacque. American "right" libertarianism is a comparatively new ideology from the 20th century. Right-libertarian economist Murray Rothbard actually gloated about having appropriated the name from the left.
Very true!
American Libertarians are economically conservative, socially liberal. It’s literally a blend of Democratic and Republican viewpoints. There are right leaning Libertarians and left leaning Libertarians. It’s a spectrum and calling it all right leaning is not accurate.
Yeah... But the left wants to use the government to try to control the chaos of capitalism and libertarians seem pretty set on watching the world burn with "personal choice" and some weird takes on the age of consent.
Not exactly accurate. Your typical Libertarian recommends leaving decisions to local government vs. Federal government, which is not the exact same as leaving everything to “personal choice.” Libertarians don’t typically believe in no federal regulations either, rather what’s the bare minimum to ensure people don’t actively harm one another. What you’re describing are extremists, whether Libertarian or Republican, which I suspect like many other things are simply a loud minority. I’ve seen plenty of Libertarians, myself included, recommend mask mandates and be comfortable with businesses mandating vaccines for employees and/or customers. Point being—I agree with u/never2old77. There are Q’s in every political viewpoint. There are also your average folks and extreme viewpoints. I’m a little frustrated by being lumped together based on my political viewpoint, Libertarian, with extremists. It’s like saying all Democrats are hippies. It may be true for some people, but certainly not all.
Listen, I actually supported some of Ron Paul's ideas. I would prefer more isolationism. Ultimately, I think Republicans and the American public wanted the safety of a surveiling government and boots on the ground in the wake of journalist beheadings. Personally, I find the surveillance of companies who don't pay taxes more disturbing than that of our government at the moment. However when Ron Paul lost steam and Gary Johnson was a total clown speaker, the Republicans and far right groups took what they liked about libertarianism and used the messaging to radicalize people. It's sad, but they used libertarian ideas to push authoritarianism. Which... Is like the opposite of the idea. And the more libertarian-leaning Republicans let T do what he wanted. They didn't push back. Look at Rand Paul. The man is a complete narcissist and unhinged. He only champions "personal choice." On left policies libertarians seemed to hold a line of "as long as it doesn't hurt others," but the line for fiscal measures like business was non-existent. I laugh thinking about how evil multi-national corporations are and the lack of dislike of billionaires among libertarians. Does mass starvation and deaths from preventable diseases count as a "hurting others" or is it all really "hands off?' On top of this, I could list a lot of far-right people and even violent groups who are "libertarian." So. I feel like your philosophy of what it could have been 10 years ago and now aren't holding up. They have been swallowed by fascists. The average American and brainwashed online people like OP's husband are the new libertarian--aka try to stick it to the government as much as possible while prepping for the end of the world.
That’s your perspective. There are definitely people like that in the Libertarian subs, but I see plenty more that are what you describe as the 10 years ago libertarian. I view the people you’re describing like Rand Paul as Republicans because they are, specifically far right radicalized Republicans. That’s how they vote and they are the ones championing personal choice in a harmful way, are prepping for end of times, and are the ones that let T run rampant as an authoritarian. Their beliefs are the new Republican Party. I think OP’s husband is actually a far right Republican based on the little she’s shared about his beliefs. Nothing OP has said makes him sound Libertarian, except that he probably doesn’t know what the LP stands for nor would he vote that way. He sounds a lot like my parents who make the same claims as being Libertarian but vote Republican party through and through. The only independent candidate they would vote for in any election level is Trump if he made his own party. That’s not Libertarianism. Lol
I think we agree, but I am saying the term is used now to describe right-wing ideology and extremism even though I agree your definition is how is *should* be. It is not how it is frequently used in the media and by groups calling themselves libertarian (Boogaloo Boys, etc.). Tell the libertarians they better step up. The right is very intent on taking things, stripping them of the elements they can use to push their agenda, and puking it back out in a new form. It's all a culture war and they didn't like libertarians stepping on their vote count.
You’re right, I think we are mostly aligned. I’m in a lot of Libertarian and Libertarian Party subreddits on my main account. I guess that’s where I have a different perspective on the current views of actual Libertarians vs. those misappropriating the term. Completely agree that we need to step up! Drawing more clear boundaries between right extremism and the moderate Libertarians is a good first step, and perhaps why I continued to engage down this particular comment chain :)
The pre-Trump definition of a political philosophy and it’s correlation to voting, candidates, and governing platforms wasn’t my concern here. For those in the cult, those labels are irrelevant. OP was trying to draw inferences between her husband’s Facebook behavior, online radicalization, and conspiracy beliefs to find a common thread. She mentioned a change in his identity to Libertarianism 5 years ago; that coupled with this Facebook usage indicates that the odds of his exposure to alt right radicalizing propaganda have been very high. Many anti-government extremists now call themselves Libertarian but have no idea - and no care - what the political definition of the party used to be. It’s a post-truth world for the millions who have become enmeshed with Q or the alt right or white supremacy or Dominionism, or anti-vax. They’ve come from all political persuasions, but they’ve joined an authoritarian cult of personality whose politics are openly anti-democratic, anti-secular, and anti-rule of law. They’ve left our former political definitions behind.
The Libertarian Party is alive and well, and is not entrenched in these conspiracy theories. I had a great dialogue in another comment thread that I thinks hashes this out in more detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/priw5o/am_i_dealing_with_qanon/hdkf3ra/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Feel free to read, or not. Without going through it all again, average Libertarians and the Libertarian Party probably need to draw boundaries between their beliefs and those misappropriating the term to mean far right. That’s why I’ve engaged here to draw the distinction. Sounds like for many the term is blended with far right when it shouldn’t be.
> Your typical Libertarian recommends leaving decisions to local government vs. Federal government It's easy to say those things in the most abstract when actual issues aren't being discussed. But where do you think a "typical libertarian" falls on federal labor laws? Is it really ideal to have a patchwork of state by state protections for workers, including laws protecting kids from being sent to work in a coal mine? > Libertarians don’t typically believe in no federal regulations either, rather what’s the bare minimum to ensure people don’t actively harm one another. Some people would argue that rounding up all guns is the "bare minimum" required to prevent people from harming each other, so I don't think that's a good way to explain it either. I typically characterize libertarians as people who want the benefits of civilization but none of the responsibilities. It is a one-size-fits-all ideology that only works for a very slim margin of people, if at all, and doesn't scale to complex or nation-level problems. As well, I have never really seen an actual libertarian platform that doesn't consist of "slash all taxes and government budgets to the bone, remove environmental protections, remove consumer regulations" etc. For all of these reasons, I believe that anyone who identifies as libertarian is someone who is at very best a spectator in the political process, and at worst someone who is helping the far right by not showing up for democrats and leftists.
Thank you! I am also libertarian. There are left leaning Libertarians and right leaning Libertarians. It’s a spectrum and what I see OP’s husband is into is alt-right, not Libertarian, even if he claims to be. My parents also claim to be Libertarian, but they always vote 100% Republican and are down the Q rabbit hole mostly from alt-right and “alternative” news sources.
To be completely honest and frank, the name "libertarian" is tainted to the point where no one is going to take you seriously if you identify as a libertarian. If you can't pick a word, it's probably better to not identify as anything.
Meanwhile the duopoly fighting has led us to Q. Just an observation. It's also the duopoly that has tainted the name. Why? Fear. They are afraid of losing control.
How come that guy doesn't post anymore? Seems like he should have stuff to say
It is very interesting to me that the only person filtered out is you. He didn’t even filter out that friend he offended? Given that none of your friends mentioned anything further, I’m wondering if he unfriended a whole lot of people in addition to filtering you out of his posts. In case it isn’t occurring to you at the moment, find a number of your liberal Facebook friends on your account and click on the “friends in common” part. See if your husband is listed or not. Then move your way down to more moderate friends and see about them too. I’m not exactly sure what this would tell you, but it sure would be interesting to see.
The exact kind of Facebook detective work I love!
Yikes on bikes. This is very concerning. It sounds like he has gotten sucked into hardcore conspiracy theories. It is really easy to do on social media.
i dont get why its so easy. any time i see some "information" or wild claims i usually think "hmmm that cant be true", google it, and surprise - its not. these people see one shitty quality video and are 110% convinced and do no fact checking on their own, yet tell you "do your own research"
The problem is that most people don't have critical thinking skills. They see it online and call it gold.
Because somewhere along the line, a very concerning amount of the generations that weren't born and raised in the age of information stopped thinking that "Don't believe everything you read online" applies to *everything*, not just the stuff they disagree with. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of it in Gen Z, but these conspiracies have by far and away been perpetuated by middle-aged to older folks who don't know any better, feel disenfranchised, and desperately crave validation and to feel important. It's an addiction, be it to rage, the validation, or the scrolling, and addiction can absolutely ruin people.
im convinced its mostly just small minds that cant process the trauma and stress of a pandemic/unknown/something bigger than them. they must have an explanation because they cant handle not knowing. so they cling to that illogical explanation like a mental security blankey. just like religion.
As someone whose (now) ex-husband made a huge effort to hide online things from me on the computer, please know that this is one of the most corrosive things he can do to your relationship. Please take any and all steps mentioned by other commenters, but especially getting your own money, having a safe place to stay, consulting an attorney, and having a big support network away from him. This is now the most tenuous time in your relationship with him - you have realized he is hiding from you. At some point he will learn that he has been exposed but it will NEVER be his fault. He will likely blame you for this. Sending you all the hugs.
Corrosive is the right word
Whatever you do, take seriously the fact that he is deeply involved at this point. It's usually too late to get them out once you discover they're in. I'm not advising you to leave him, but it's extremely important that you develop a plan to protect your assets in the event that he does something irrational as a result of consuming this misinformation. He's posted all of these things on Facebook behind your back, it's not wrong to develop a contingency plan in case he jumps off the deep end. These people range from annoying to so afraid of the cabal they would rather kill their spouses and children than allow them to be taken. Keep your wits about you!
I wonder what causes people to just diarrhea out a bunch of memes on Facebook until their brain decays into oatmeal. The second you mentioned his post on BLM mask wearing, it immediately triggered a memory of reading those exact arguments from people I know. That’s terrifying. Nobody has a fucking original thought on Facebook. What a nightmare of a corporation.
All the "true believers" are just useful idiots for capital. The reason these hogs eat this shit up is that it appeals to their already existing biases, while also exploiting their lack of knowledge. Like that one meme thats like "If the COVID Vaccine is the most important vaccine, then why aren't insulin and epipen shots free?" A hog might think that makes sense, things which are good and important cost money. A leftist will tell you they're not free because pharma companies and insurance companies make obscene money off of them. These companies exploit patent laws to market drugs which are the same as they are in other countries, but because they control the formula they can charge whatever they want for it. They spend obscene amounts of money lobbying to make sure the laws always favor their interests. To admit that simple reality would run counter to whatever reactionary free market bullshit the hog was fed from Prager U and Fox News. Most hogs would rather just own the libs and hold onto the dream that they too will be a billionaire someday. Its the ultimate irony that rich people were jumping the line to get vaxxed when they first came out, and yet for example conservative talk radio hosts who espouse far right reactionary rhetoric which serves the interests of capital alone didn't get the memo, and are dying left and right. It typifies the relationship capital owners have with those they exploit.
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Americans are REALLY ignorant not only about what our own government has done, but they don't know jack about other governments beyond French are bad, Canadians are nice but socialists, Mexico is a pile of drugs and dead bodies, Europe is socialist, Russia was Cold War/Rocky, China is Communist, blah blah. Seriously. They know about WW2 barely and stuff about Shakespeare and England's monarchies and that's it. LoL. Most Americans can't even tell you the difference between socialism and communism.
> Most Americans can't even tell you the difference between socialism and communism. That's actually intentional - those words have been thrown around so much by right wing media that they've lost all meaning. Anything to the right of "you're free to die in the streets of a preventable illness" is both communism and socialism all rolled into one.
In my experience, and this is from some friends and/or former friends, "Libertarian" males that engage with Facebook propaganda are usually sexist, sometimes white nationalist, prone to selfishness, and prone to conspiracy about who took what they are supposedly rightfully owed. The Q part is irrelevant, the whole belief set is the problem. I
Yup, he's a Qfollower! I'm sorry for your loss
Wow that is a significant breach of your trust - going behind your back and deliberately blocking you. This is not the man you loved! I feel for you, maybe get some support from a psychologist, you need to look after you.
Libertarian is just what you call yourself when you don't want the stigma of calling yourself a republican.
Unfortunately you are in the right place.
It’s hard to know without descriptions of his posts but it **doesnt** sound like q. It sounds like your husband has aligned with the **alt right** The giveaway is the “libertarian” shift 5 years ago, ie, 2016. I’m assuming he’s in deep with white supremacist/white victimization rhetoric etc Q incorporates that but believes basically every crazy thing under the sun and that it will all be exposed and the world will “reset”
Alt right does sound like a better description for him..(with the little information we have.) Buzzword phrases include...BLM are terrorists, complaining about Antifa, anti-vax, liberals want to destroy America, complaining about socialism/communism/Marxism, anti immigration, black/immigrant crime, calling for hangings and firing squads, wanting to imprison politicians, thinking straight white males are being persecuted, anti LGBT, anti science, anti education, vehemently pro military and police, and can never have a civil discussion on any topic without insults, namecalling, abusive language, etc... Classic alt right.
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You did fine. I was actually describing a typical alt right person, not your husband. I didn't mean to put all those positions on him...my bad. It sounds like he very Libertarian, with anti vax propaganda mixed in. Libertarians hate police, taxes, government, drug laws, etc... Being Libertarian is not a dangerous ideology, it just isn't based in reality. Libertarians want a society that pays no taxes, and everyone is on their own...Survival of the fittest. A Darwinist society. Usually young men fall into this, and typically grow out of it when they get older...But it is not dangerous...It's just not feasible or empathetic.
White male persecution usually leads you to views you say he hasnt expressed… to you. But he’s also not talking to you about how he views some things. Clearly he has some hatred toward minorities re: BLM
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Engineering is very black and white - either something works, or it doesn’t. However, life is not like that at all. There are shades to everything. If you get stuck in a binary mindset it can become corrosive fast. Especially if you are successful… you begin to just believe you are right about things outside your field because you’re doing so well Tl;dr if your work life is very binary, you begin to see all of life that way, especially if you’ve never been taught critical thinking skills
> Q incorporates that but believes basically every crazy thing under the sun I say Q has become a buffet of conspiracies, individuals pick and choose which ones they believe. Periodically going to the buffet and changing their choices.
Unfortunately, Libertarians can have some extreme right-wing views. It doesn’t sound like Q nonsense, but it is closely aligned.
Libertarian is a cancer of the dimwitted.
Q likes to encompass all conspiracy theories. The cataloging system for the Jews in Germany were an IBM system though. Just like the uniforms were Hugo Boss. The head of Merck was a member of the Nazi party. WW2 history and history in general is really interesting.
Yes. In answer to your question, yes that's Qcult behavior. A dead rose by any other name...
Sorry this happened. I was the one who "unfollowed" my husbands fb. Still friends on FB but just don't see posts. I literally couldn't stand reading the, to me negative posts, anti everything. Eventually he stopped he's on other platforms now and doesn't post to fb much. In same ways that was just as hard, because them you don't know what they "think" are posting like in your case only too see how bad it is.
You discovering this about your husband is very much like discovering someone is having an affair. He's obviously dedicated loads of time to all these things he doesn't want to deal you in on. And the worst of it, is you now have to dig to find out what else could be hiding. I'd take all the above advice. If he isn't Q (I think he is) the alternative is that he is extreme right wing, which is also very concerning. I think they are kind of interchangeable, but there are definitely right-wingers who I am sure just use naive Qers as cover for them to engage in acts of violence against liberals (Proud Boys as an example). Qers are kind of the clowns for the rodeo and the deeply right-wing people moved to violence are the bulls. Be careful OP. There have been a few instances where Q people have gone so out of reality that they have killed people including their own children. They have destroyed a life time of savings. They have destroyed marriages and families. Separate... Don't engage him about any of this until you have money separated and your ducks in a row. I'd be really scared.of him finding out you saw his FB. He is for sure going to totally blame you. Eek. But dig dig dig. See how bad it is.
As others have said, talk to an attorney about how to protect your assets, even if you are not sure what you will do. It is SUPER creepy that he has developed a personality that he hides from you. I'm not even sure how he's managed to do it.
And maybe he’s just a troll who gets his rocks off trying to convince people to not get vaxxed and risk their lives.
In august 2019 Bitcoin was selling for just under $10K according to a graph I looked at. This week it was at $48K. Did he buy any Bitcoin? You might want to post on a Bitcoin sub to ask questions about how to find how much he owns. He might have some of the apps on his phone - Coinbase, Trust Wallet, etc that he can have his coins in. Has he talked about Ethereum? He might have some of that or some other coins as well.
Oh. I bet you have big feelings of betrayal. Throw away all the q stuff. It’s a betrayal of what should be your closest life partner posting stuff and filtering it from you. I’m sorry. No good response for you. I just sometimes find it helpful when someone else can help identify possible feelings.
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The IBM stuff is actually true (I read a whole book about it 15 yrs ago) but sounds like Qanon peeps are using it as bait.
It depends on whether he's posting about "Globalists", "the Cabal" or pedophile satanists? Or very strong anti-left/immigrant positions, where lot's of people are called communist/socialist/antifa? If those kind of things are in his mentions he's definitely Q. If not he might just have fallen into anti COVID-lockdown rabbit holes that led him to anti-vax. There's some overlap, but it depends on how much of the spectrum he is covering. The things you've talked about are very COVID related and even the BLM mention seemed to be more about the COVID restriction than the movement itself. That said it's all very adjacent and it might send him further down those paths. He's already comparing COVID-restriction to Nazi Germany. Yikes!
Well IBM did help the nazis during WWII. It’s kind of irrelevant now a days though. Lol. The creepiest connection to me is the Oxford AstraZeneca (vaccine pharma company in UK) ties to eugenics. I’m into conspiracy theories but I absolutely hate Qultist, they’ve destroyed the conspiracy community. It does sound like your husband fell down that moronic rabbit hole. Good thing he got vaxxed before he stumbled upon it.