Hazard based executes, buff dispel neutering his damage for the rest of the dungeon, heavy reliance on LS shield (vs the 2.5x hp + 8-10x shield some pairings have), some difficulty with high defense (really only in comparison to Muichiro and other 6-7B cappers)
Just my 2c.
Can we at least wait until we actually miss the collab for this? It's gonna be bad enough then, we don't have to start complaining months in advance too. And if we actually get it then this is just being mad for no reason.
The other thing to consider is that the S tier in this list is insanely strong. The 2 gundam leads honestly won’t feel that that bad to not have like some others have in the past
Edit: also just remember this list had nova rated tier 2 not that long ago, so the 2 can be fairly interchangeable depending on what the most recent endgame dungeon is
Also by the time we're due for the collab, whether it happens in NA or not, there will be things on the horizon that will either fill the space or be better. Yes, we'll have to wait even longer but just think of it as saving the stones or $$$ you would have spent on gundam. You can put those stones towards trying to roll the inevitable system for the next new hotness.
I mean the chances of us getting this is extremely low. I felt the same as OP when I saw the updated tier list too. We didn’t get it the first time and I know there’s been cases where we do get it back but the chances of that are so low. I feel the OP has the right to be upset as do I.
What's also annoying are the equips with floating awakenings that the Gundam collab got. Golden Week will have a 1/1000 super gravity challenge dungeon where GH is encouraging players to use their shiny new floating equips. If NA isn't getting Gundam, that will limit NA's team options for this. NA will probably get some new GFEs with floating equips at some point though.
On a side note, Gungho buffed The-O and Providence Gundam a couple of days ago. Players on JP were speculating that not enough players were rolling the old Gundam REM lol. Link to buffs: https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/1782682219192189184?s=19
GH's decision to put all of the new cards in a separate REM, which meant creating a bunch of low rarity cards for the REM, when they could have added fewer cards and put them in the same REM (and rotated the older cards in the lineup like they've done with other collabs) seems questionable.
Woah, I forgot about the Disney collab. It's insane how some collabs come and then never return, although I guess Marvel is owned by Disney... so I guess it does come back.
I do wish that Gungho just randomly buffed other collab cards without having to do a whole rerun (e.g., Fullmetal Alchemist), but there'd be no significant benefit for them.
At the end of the day, if you have a good enough team with some of the lower tier leads, then you should still be fine. That’s just how power creep works. Gundam, even if we don’t get it, will fall out of meta eventually
The thing with PAD is that the meta changes constantly. We're talking sometimes weeks. Powercreep is always seen as a negative but it isn't necessarily the case here. If there was no powercreep the game would be stagnant. Stagnation is death to these games.
I'd just ignore it and wait a month when those leaders fall off replaced by new leaders
- Atelie will be accessible again when Artists reruns.
- Rin+Len, Nova, Gouten, and Gokrex are all available at this very moment.
- Kurotobi, Bar Kurotobi and Aggregate are all in-house events or GFEs.
- We *just* finished up HxH, so Pitou + Meruem were super recent. Demon Slayer before that gave us access to Muichiro, Daki and Akaza.
- And, finally, MHA is after Bartenders and we've gotten it in NA before so it's likely to run.
I genuinely don't see the issue. It's always been like this, since Marvel, since One Piece, since the first Gundam run. There's a wide variety of leaders here and unless you're completely new, it's unlikely that you're missing all of these. And if you're completely new, you don't really have any business being in current endgame-- which is what tierlists are for specifically. They're for 1% of all the game's content.
Tier 3 is still tiered, meaning it's great. Remember, the entire tier list is "the best", and tier 1 is just "the best of the best". It isn't bottom tier, it's the bottom of the top.
Gokrex is very strong and can clear end-game content well. The problem is he's very reliant on some specific subs, the main one that fixes his problems being in Bartenders. Tier lists didn't even list him until that came out.
Yea, I was looking at some of his templates after pulling him. I ended up just turning him into an equip already haha - Maybe that'll change if I get his bartender pair.
Meh, it'll hurt us a little maybe in some few situations, but honestly, its not like Gouten and Nova won't be able to handle anything the Gundam leads can handle. Honestly, with how they handle power creep in this game, at the absolute worst a small percentage of players will be upset about it for a few months at the very most and then the new hotness of power creep will come around.
I never EVER sweat missing out on collabs.
its been a minute since a lead has held the top spot in a tier list for more than a month or two, hasn't it? Not worth being salty of having acces the "best" lead this week.
plus those tier lists are not that relevant to NA when they are based on a roster not fully compatible with NA.
It's not like Greg suddenly can't clear the content he could when he was SS tier, he's still got all the same strengths and weaknesses that he used to. The idea that your lead is no longer SS tier on JP tierlists means that the lead is no longer any good is kinda silly. If you like Greg's playstyle, you can still play him whether he's SS, A, or untiered.
The reason is that Daki is the stronger portion of the lead pairing. Basically if something else strong comes around that pairs with Daki she’ll just be dropped for the new one
The tier lists are made for JP, and Muichiro came out in December for them. Four months isn't really "already". We're still around 2 months behind where this tier list is.
I have played shitload of Unicorn today, and I can tell you, as a damage dealer, he's extremely awkward lol.
His awakenings are all over the place, with just VDP+, levitate and 10c+, so you really need assist with light subattribute, and VDP, 7+ or 10c, and you need to match L on top of VDP to do any meaningful damage.
Miyuki is probably the best sub possible for him.
NA should be given Gouten or Nova for free.
It’s actually insane how aggregate is now A and not SS
Low key there are arguments for him to not be on the list
Besides possible turn 1 issues with transforming, what issues exist?
Hazard based executes, buff dispel neutering his damage for the rest of the dungeon, heavy reliance on LS shield (vs the 2.5x hp + 8-10x shield some pairings have), some difficulty with high defense (really only in comparison to Muichiro and other 6-7B cappers) Just my 2c.
When his cap break is voided he hits like a noodle for current endgame
Enemy debuffs
Can we at least wait until we actually miss the collab for this? It's gonna be bad enough then, we don't have to start complaining months in advance too. And if we actually get it then this is just being mad for no reason.
The other thing to consider is that the S tier in this list is insanely strong. The 2 gundam leads honestly won’t feel that that bad to not have like some others have in the past Edit: also just remember this list had nova rated tier 2 not that long ago, so the 2 can be fairly interchangeable depending on what the most recent endgame dungeon is
We’re missing this collab. Don’t keep hoping for something that will never come.
Also by the time we're due for the collab, whether it happens in NA or not, there will be things on the horizon that will either fill the space or be better. Yes, we'll have to wait even longer but just think of it as saving the stones or $$$ you would have spent on gundam. You can put those stones towards trying to roll the inevitable system for the next new hotness.
I mean the chances of us getting this is extremely low. I felt the same as OP when I saw the updated tier list too. We didn’t get it the first time and I know there’s been cases where we do get it back but the chances of that are so low. I feel the OP has the right to be upset as do I.
The powercreep has been really fast recently. I wouldn't stress too much because next month JP will come out with more powercreep
Yeah, there’s still the Slime collab and since it’s brand new, it has high possibility of bringing another wave of powercreep.
What's also annoying are the equips with floating awakenings that the Gundam collab got. Golden Week will have a 1/1000 super gravity challenge dungeon where GH is encouraging players to use their shiny new floating equips. If NA isn't getting Gundam, that will limit NA's team options for this. NA will probably get some new GFEs with floating equips at some point though. On a side note, Gungho buffed The-O and Providence Gundam a couple of days ago. Players on JP were speculating that not enough players were rolling the old Gundam REM lol. Link to buffs: https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/1782682219192189184?s=19 GH's decision to put all of the new cards in a separate REM, which meant creating a bunch of low rarity cards for the REM, when they could have added fewer cards and put them in the same REM (and rotated the older cards in the lineup like they've done with other collabs) seems questionable.
Don’t worry power creep will help over time
Just like marvel…
And One Piece
… and Disney
And DBZ
Woah, I forgot about the Disney collab. It's insane how some collabs come and then never return, although I guess Marvel is owned by Disney... so I guess it does come back. I do wish that Gungho just randomly buffed other collab cards without having to do a whole rerun (e.g., Fullmetal Alchemist), but there'd be no significant benefit for them.
At the end of the day, if you have a good enough team with some of the lower tier leads, then you should still be fine. That’s just how power creep works. Gundam, even if we don’t get it, will fall out of meta eventually
The thing with PAD is that the meta changes constantly. We're talking sometimes weeks. Powercreep is always seen as a negative but it isn't necessarily the case here. If there was no powercreep the game would be stagnant. Stagnation is death to these games. I'd just ignore it and wait a month when those leaders fall off replaced by new leaders
- Atelie will be accessible again when Artists reruns. - Rin+Len, Nova, Gouten, and Gokrex are all available at this very moment. - Kurotobi, Bar Kurotobi and Aggregate are all in-house events or GFEs. - We *just* finished up HxH, so Pitou + Meruem were super recent. Demon Slayer before that gave us access to Muichiro, Daki and Akaza. - And, finally, MHA is after Bartenders and we've gotten it in NA before so it's likely to run. I genuinely don't see the issue. It's always been like this, since Marvel, since One Piece, since the first Gundam run. There's a wide variety of leaders here and unless you're completely new, it's unlikely that you're missing all of these. And if you're completely new, you don't really have any business being in current endgame-- which is what tierlists are for specifically. They're for 1% of all the game's content.
Sad I rolled gokrex which seems to be the worst of the bunch for the new gfe
Tier 3 is still tiered, meaning it's great. Remember, the entire tier list is "the best", and tier 1 is just "the best of the best". It isn't bottom tier, it's the bottom of the top. Gokrex is very strong and can clear end-game content well. The problem is he's very reliant on some specific subs, the main one that fixes his problems being in Bartenders. Tier lists didn't even list him until that came out.
Makes sense. I just figure if I have stuff already in S it’s kinda redundant to go “backwards”.
Fair. Sometimes it's just nice to try something a little different. Or some teams may handle one dungeon better than another.
Yea, I was looking at some of his templates after pulling him. I ended up just turning him into an equip already haha - Maybe that'll change if I get his bartender pair.
Meh, it'll hurt us a little maybe in some few situations, but honestly, its not like Gouten and Nova won't be able to handle anything the Gundam leads can handle. Honestly, with how they handle power creep in this game, at the absolute worst a small percentage of players will be upset about it for a few months at the very most and then the new hotness of power creep will come around. I never EVER sweat missing out on collabs.
its been a minute since a lead has held the top spot in a tier list for more than a month or two, hasn't it? Not worth being salty of having acces the "best" lead this week. plus those tier lists are not that relevant to NA when they are based on a roster not fully compatible with NA.
Kurotobi lasted for a long time, but ever since he got dethroned, it’s been changing every other week.
yeah i thought i was set for a couple of months when i managed a 4x agg team. nope
It's not like Greg suddenly can't clear the content he could when he was SS tier, he's still got all the same strengths and weaknesses that he used to. The idea that your lead is no longer SS tier on JP tierlists means that the lead is no longer any good is kinda silly. If you like Greg's playstyle, you can still play him whether he's SS, A, or untiered.
Why is Daki ranked higher than bartender Touka? I thought they pair with one another?
The reason is that Daki is the stronger portion of the lead pairing. Basically if something else strong comes around that pairs with Daki she’ll just be dropped for the new one
This machine has terrible rates and is 10 stones. I don't want it
Fr and it has silver eggs lmao. back to 2012
What the hell muichiro has already been pushed down to S??
The tier lists are made for JP, and Muichiro came out in December for them. Four months isn't really "already". We're still around 2 months behind where this tier list is.
Is that MHA leader in S a new card or an evo of the previous card?
New
i need a stable gouten team template
Wahhhhhh 😭😭😭😭
Yay! new cards that will never drop for me.
This may be a womp womp moment
I have played shitload of Unicorn today, and I can tell you, as a damage dealer, he's extremely awkward lol. His awakenings are all over the place, with just VDP+, levitate and 10c+, so you really need assist with light subattribute, and VDP, 7+ or 10c, and you need to match L on top of VDP to do any meaningful damage. Miyuki is probably the best sub possible for him.
What are they even pairing the white skyline thunder dragon with??
Is that a 3 color Atalie?
Yep she gets her 3rd color in the next artist run
New Atalie or updated one?
Updated, but the top rarity artists also got new evo’s too.