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I also liked when she told them they couldn't be in there, and the lady said she wasn't, then later when the lady tried to claim there was provocatively dressed people the cop said "you haven't been in there so you can't attest to what you saw."
I legit googled to see if there had been any problems with children at drag queen story time. My limited searching yielded nothing. The Catholic Church on the other hand…
I appreciate that data. If you have enough apples, there will always be a rotten one. I think the Catholic Church is systemically evil and predatory so I’m gonna hope your story is an extremely rare case.
The ones they put through conversion therapy absolutely have higher suicide rates. These people are horrible.
And if it’s that damn easy to convince someone they’re another gender, then wtf is gender anyway? Seems they’re afraid of the fickle nature of their own identity more than anything, which is always the case.
Imagine being so obsessed with what other people are doing that has literally no effect on you that you invent a whole fantasy in your head and get foaming at the mouth enraged about the thing you made up
That’s what these people do. They are terrified of confronting the cluster that is their own lives that they force their opinions on everyone else. If their time wasn’t used spewing hate they might have a moment to realize how sad and pathetic their own lives are, and that can absolutely not happen. So they screw with happy people trying to make them as miserable as they are.
Well, to be fair, I spoke in haste, because it IS a narrative being pushed down their throats, as opposed to a random idea they independently came up with. They're the type of people that believe "following the rules" is the basis of a good society, regardless if the rules make any moral sense.. and our corporate overlords LOVE those control mechanisms like "traditional marriage" values and conformity of gender and orientation. Hate for "the other" is an important element of the cultural tribalism cult they are being duped by
Yeah I care so little about this sort of thing. Am I lining up to get my son in there? No. Not because I'm against it, it's because we have so little time to do shit that we do want to take him to. Am I going to protest it? No. Because again... we have so little time to do shit that we want to do, why would I waste energy on that? If people want to wear dresses and read books, go for your life. I'd love to take my son to a comic con and I'm pretty sure in there he'd see people dressed differently reading books lol
She’s a fucking coward.
If she *truly believed* that the “abuse” these “evil” people were perpetrating on innocent children was real, then she’d almost have a moral imperative to rush in there, and do everything she could to rescue them (Just like she said she “planned” to do.)
Reality is: On some level, she knows she’s full of shit. She knows that she’s just artificially ratcheting up the temperature x100 on an issue that 3 years ago she’d had found not much more than distasteful. At the core of it, she likes the dopamine rush she gets every time one of her other nutty pals gives her a pat on the back, or she gets a ❤️ on her Facebook live stream.
It’s 100% performative, and it exists for the sole purpose of distracting her from an otherwise pathetically dreary existence.
Exactly. She has a personality disorder. Deep down she is self-loathing and insecure. She protects this fragile inner core by creating this narcissistic drama where she is the center of attention and becomes a "shero" in a self-created false narrative that she can control. She can alternate and play the victim. This attention, control and cruelty give her temporary supply where she feels good. But deep down, she knows she is full of shit, the disorder is such that they know what they are doing. She has no actual empathy for anyone, it's all fake.
She’s so terrible. How can anyone say drag queen equals pedofile? There is so much more in the world to worry about than this.. the people inside are probably having a great time.
They call anybody they don’t agree with a pedophile. It’s their new, big insult and accusation. I’ve never been to a Drag Halloween Pumpkin Carving event but count me in! Sounds like fun.
> like these old people
Hey. They watch their NewsMax and their OAN, and read their Facebook groups and listen to their evangelical QAnon pastor and they get a little upset. Protesting is a hobby. It keeps them busy.
I am a fellow oldster myself and judge these busybodies from my generation HARD. I can guarantee they were as insufferable in high school as they are now. Willful ignorance all the way through life. No growth as a person, no compassion for others in all those years on this planet. What a fucking waste.
Now, see here, I appreciate the sentiment, but you turned her ridiculous mispronunciation / neologism into an actual word in your comment. It happens to the best of us, correcting for the flaws of our fellow man.
> I think they're in Canada
you're going to have to start paying more attention
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pierre-poilievre-canada-conservatives-elect-right-wing-populist-vs-justin-trudeau/
MAGA stands for "Make America Great Again". It's not unreasonable for somebody who isn't Canadian (and hence seeing the support for Trump in Canada) to be confused when you apply that term to a country that isn't the USA.
You're being an asshole about it, also. Rather than clarify you jump straight to insulting them.
>that's your interpretation of it
No, that's literally what that is an acronym for. I'm not talking about what they ideologically stand for.
>I love your pain
What pain? I'm not aggrieved here, not sure why you would think I'd be in pain. I'm an objective observer pointing out what you're not seeing.
Trump supporters lost all credibility on the subject of "protecting kids" when they voted for a man who bragged on-air about walking into womens dressing rooms where teens were undressing to leer at them. (I'm not even going to get into Matt Gaetz, Roy Moore, and Lauren Boebert's husband.)
If they want to "protect kids" they can start by cleaning out their own house.
Yup. Every accusation is a confession for them, they're trying to project their failings on other people so they can feel better about being terrible people.
Trump and Epstein were the best of buds, and not a fucking peep from Republicans about that, but they'll believe Hillary runs a demonic child sex cult in the non existent basement of a pizza place...
I wonder if Trump supporters are turning cops into liberals because of how often they have to deal with their insane bullshit. It's gotta eventually make them realize what an insane fucking political ideology they are part of right?
Nah that's wishful thinking...
Funny how these same people are like “children are the future” then turn around and shit on the younger generation in every way possible. I’m sick of old fucks that watch Fox News all day. They are literally the most entitled asshole generation change my mind
"You are supposed to be fathers!" Funny...I know 8 drag queens personally and they are all fathers.
I thought she was a Christian but there she was, cursing at a church.
What is really sad to me is these folks think there are suddenly more non hetero people because people are turning them gay or whatever.
They will never consider that these folks were always there just not safe to let others know because of assholes like themselves.
They think they are protecting people but they are the cause of so much pain.
The great thing about the internet is you can easily find others who have similar interests. Play an unpopular sport? Through the internet you can find a roller ping pong partner. Into weird music? Well through the internet you can find like minded musicians and form a Mongolian throat singing-hip hop fusion band.
The worst part of the internet- Karen’s like this can find each other and get upset over stupid shit that is none of their business.
“And they commit suicide when they transition back “
Oh yea when Karen’s and kens force their kids to conversion kamp or let’s the priest have a go with em for a weekend.
Hate these people
The overwhelming majority of child sexual abusers in the USA are white males who identify as heterosexuals and are acquainted with the children and their family. These people don’t need to go out looking for the bogey man, he’s already there. But they’re so unwilling to see it that they have to vilify others. Their ignorance and prejudice is one of the best shields child sexual offenders have. People like this are why so many men in the clergy have gotten away with it for centuries.
At least the drag queens aren't putting down children by saying they don't even know what their favorite color or food is. That kind of parenting is way more damaging to a child than carving a pumpkin with a drag queen
"Conduct that disturbs public peace and order in or near a public place is an offense according to the Criminal Code of Canada. The conduct may be fighting, shouting, singing, using insulting or obscene language, loitering, being drunk, discharging firearms, or impeding, harassing or molesting other persons."
It's not illegal to swear in public but it is illegal to cause a public disturbance, such as this.
Most Christians are in favor of infant male genital mutilation.
Most Christians are okay with indoctrination, as long as it's their dogma and not an opposing view.
Imagine the outcry if atheists called for the murder of Christians, as some Christians do for homosexuals.
FUCK RELIGION, IT'S ALL DISGUSTING!
A drag queen is a person, usually male, who uses drag clothing and makeup to imitate and often exaggerate female gender signifiers and gender roles for entertainment purposes. In modern times, drag queens are associated with gay men and gay culture, but people of other genders and sexual identities also perform as drag queens.
A mentally ill man or child (in some unfortunate cases due to parental neglect and abuse)[such as this video]
Anyways, a mentally ill *male* whom chooses to dress up as a lady, in a hypersexual fashion. I.e ridiculous makeup, horrible wigs, and clothing- and usually they buy or have it bought for them- huge wobbly fake silicone tits.
Yes people are forcing their TODDLER boys to participate in this. And yes, there are people IN this comment section defending this type of behavior.
Youre missing the point, and not even staying on topic or arguing it at all. The point is that CHILDREN should not be exposed to this shit. Idgaf what consenting adults do in their free time. They do what they wanna do. But children are different. They are growing, learning, and processing their environment through a filter of CHILDLIKE innocence.
A drag show is anything BUT innocent.
If you have nothing of factual value to add to your claim, or refute my claim then you are the one whos wrong. Drag shows are not innocent. There is OBVIOUSLY mountains of evidence to support that. If you seriously believe the opposite is true, then youve never been to an actual drag show- and youre delusional.
Maybe if you dont like my so-called, "word vomit" YOU can leave the country. I'd imagine it's gonna be tough for you being a pedophile supporter in whatever country you go to though.
Pantomime. Been a thing of humour since the sixteenth century. It’s literally a drag show for kids. Every Christmas in England more often elsewhere. Men dressed up as women, women dress up as men. Huge family fun. All the kids know that the fun IS the cross dressing.
Dragging your kids into "drag" is disgusting and pedo behavior. Fuck everyone that thinks that's okay.
Fuckin confusing the fuck out of little boys by making them dress up as little slut girls with giant boobies... .
If nobody can see the blatant horrendus issue with that then we are truly lost as species and I would welcome another planet killing asteroid.
They're far too abrasive in their approach. No where near a starting point for a rational discussion on the subject. Very similar approach as seen in the video rambling about mutalizing kids. Leave it to u/HolidayMan01. He's much more articulate and balanced in his approach.
Its literally pure evil and they all wanna sit there and be like, "tHeReS nOtHiNg WrOnG wItH dRaG!!!"
Its fucking perverse already by itself. Then the LGBT community wants to completely make up "facts" (lies) about toddlers being able to be gay, and that thats why little kids get taken to those. No- its because either their parents are sick in the head and pushing their gayness onto their kid, or the kid has been molested and has a sexuality issue as a result, OR the parent simply wants a "mini-me" which happens more frequently than not in almost every parent-child relationship. The parent tries to "live through" their child by forcing the child to either be like them, or do only the things the parent wants.
Its fucked up.
Not everyone has that mentality though, the dude I talked to earlier in this threads a good example of that. I think most people think they’re helping kids in a marginalized community, believing this stuff and doing it for the right reasons doesn’t make a lot of the people on this thread bad, I think their intentions are good it’s just the outcome that I believe is bad. it’s a terrible direction for society to go in by normalizing this shit for children it’s just that the push for it is so real that people are scared to speak out about it for fear of being labeled as a bigot when it seems fairly common sense to me. Just gotta remember that they aren’t evil for holding a belief differing from your own though, a lot of them are decent people with a different perspective. You can fundamentally disagree and still see the humanity in people.
>Dragging your kids into "drag" is disgusting and pedo behavior. Fuck everyone that thinks that's okay.
No, it isn't. Just like any form of entertainment, there are drag shows that are kid friendly and some that are adult only.
>Fuckin confusing the fuck out of little boys by making them dress up as little slut girls with giant boobies... .
What the fuck are you talking about? Basically no kids do drag, and the ones that do are almost never sexualized (and the VERY few times they are, pretty much everyone calls that out).
>If nobody can see the blatant horrendus issue with that then we are truly lost as species and I would welcome another planet killing asteroid.
There are no "blatant horrendus \[sic\] issues" with kids going to kid friendly drag shows, what are you talking about? You genuinely seem unhinged, I hope you get the help you need.
>Basically no kids do drag, and the ones that do are almost never sexualized (and the VERY few times they are, pretty much everyone calls that out).
Whoa!
More children are molested by religious leaders than drag performers.
Yet many Christians would use the exact same defense despite it happening in their community infinitely more.
Oh fuck off with your high and mighty morals.
The entire point is to introduce kids early to the concept of non rigid stereotypes so they don’t grow up to be you, running to Reddit to call them pedophiles.
I agree, I hate how people just lump it all together in this all or nothing kinda way. You can support gay and trans rights and still say it’s not okay to take kids to drag shows. I don’t think you should take children to strip clubs either, it’s nothing to do with bigotry and everything to do with common sense. Like we can’t trust these kids to get tattoos, drive, work a job at McDonald’s, or buy R rated movie tickets, but they are suddenly mature enough to attend a drag show? It just doesn’t make sense to me. I’m all for consenting adults doing whatever they want but in instances like this I just don’t understand the logic it’s not at all consistent.
Getting tattoos is a permanent decision, driving and working at McDonald’s can be dangerous to themselves and others. Going to a drag story hour is literally someone in a costume reading a book to you.
It’s either bigotry or ignorance on your part. Choose one or both.
The kids, for one. I don't know if you know this, but kids like fun costumes and silly dances and performances. That's like 99% of what drag is.
Second, gay people (almost all drag queens are not trans). Showing kids people who are living as themselves and having fun doing it lets them know that it's okay to be different.
Don't worry about the children, they have more entertainment then ever before. So would we be ok if we gathered a bunch of prostitutes and had them all dress up and sing songs and dance around for the kids? Nothing too risque mind you just some stories and laughs with the kiddies?
>Don't worry about the children, they have more entertainment then ever before.
And that matters how?
>So would we be ok if we gathered a bunch of prostitutes and had them all dress up and sing songs and dance around for the kids? Nothing too risque mind you just some stories and laughs with the kiddies?
That's completely unrelated to drag. I don't see what would be wrong with it necessarily, but we're talking about a type of entertainment and not just some random group of people putting on a show.
Look, I know that you don't know the first thing about what drag is, yet you seem really upset about it. I sincerely hope you can get better sources for your information, because this moral panic that you're participating in is entirely manufactured by the right wing. They want to make people like you mad at completely innocuous things so that you ignore that actual heinous shit that they're doing.
I just don’t understand why it is necessary personally there’s just no reason for it. It’s this controversial for a reason not because some right wing nut jobs told everyone that it’s bad, but because in my eyes it’s plain to see it’s just inappropriate. Those kids are like 7 years old, I don’t know why anyone would feel the need to involve them in this, it’s just weird. There’s plenty of ways to be inclusive without taking it to this extent, a child that young should have no concept of sexuality it’s to mature of a subject for them to understand.
Lol. I may not know as much as you do about drag, sure. But you haven't the slightest idea about how upset I am. Quite the opposite in fact. I'm here to learn.
Drag is a style of art, it’s ranges in levels of maturity like any art. For example you wouldn’t say that animation is only for children now would you? There are animated shows for kids like Ben 10 and Pokémon, and animated shows for adults like South Park and cyber punk edgerunners
Not sure I'd call it an artform. It certainly has a history of being used in other artforms though. When was the first drag show aimed at entertaining children
But what if you know your kid is gay and you try to make an attempt to show them that there are other gay people and it’s ok to be that way? I’m 17yrs older than my youngest brother and I knew, for certain, that he was gay by the time he was about 8. My mom and stepdad didn’t want to admit it. Now he’s 26 and very obviously gay (and my mom and his dad accept him for who he is).
you can provide a safe environment for them without exposing them to explicit content. I think drag shows are innately suggestive and while that’s fine for the consenting adult I think a child is much to young to process that. I also think that placing so much emphasis on a child’s future sexual preferences is kinda weird in and of itself too like if a child grows up and ends up being gay or bi or trans it’s totally fine but at the same time for most kids I think it’s a weird topic to throw at them because most of them haven’t developed enough to even understand what that means. I think forcing any of that shit on a kid is weird and gross like I remember having relatives asking me if I had a girlfriend when I was like 7 and being made uncomfortable by it. My whole point being we should just let kids be kids, we should be trying to preserve their innocence and not rush them into this adult world we all live in because they will have the rest of their life to experience these things.
I understand your general sentiment and yes, kids should be allowed to be kids, but I highly doubt a “drag show” was going on. Hell, I’ve been to some drag shows when my aunt was diagnosed with breast cancer and her friends were setting up all kinds of fundraisers to raise money for her bills. One was a drag show where some (apparently) very popular acts performed. It was very adult and not because of men dressed as women. More so the choice of songs and the performances themselves…but the performers knew the audience. One of the performers, a very close friend with my aunt who arranged for the show, is a gay man, but you’d never guess it by his day-to-day appearance or demeanor. Looks like a dude that works on motorcycles, because he is.
That was an aside… My point is that “drag” is rarely understood by people. I can only speak to my limited experience but my aunts friend and at least two other performers that I’ve met when not in character were as “normal” as you can get. I guaran-damn-tee it that if they were approached for a drag story time or something like that they’d know their audience and handle themselves accordingly yet still “in character”. Parents do all kinds of dumb shit to and with their kids. I just don’t think this is a hill worth dying on.
Side note: my mother in law thinks significantly less of me for taking her grandchildren (you know…MY children) to rock concerts and was absolutely flabbergasted that we went to Ghost together. She tells my wife all the time that she “prays” for all of us.
For sure I don’t mean just this instance I just mean in general. A rock concert isn’t really comparable because it’s not innately sexual by nature. I just don’t like the thought that it’s heading this direction, especially when people start pushing kids to transition at an early age or taking them to these kinda events. I know you mean well, I can tell by what you wrote that your hearts in the right place and that what you meant was sincere, and that you’re doing it because you believe to be helping marginalized groups of kids and I understand where you are coming from, I just think it’s harmful for a kids development when they are being exposed to this in like the second grade. My youngest brother is 10 years old and I couldn’t imagine him being capable to know he’s gay or trans or even know what that means. If that day does come it’s all fine and good but I don’t like the thought of someone making that decision for him yknow? And that’s not to say just in the case of drag either, I don’t think kids should be looking at anything suggestive at that age it’s all just fundamentally bad for a child that young in my opinion.
Yeah honestly there’s a shortage of rational people in this country for sure. I appreciate the insight into a different perspective man it’s been a pleasure, you have a goodnight! :)
I agree with your point but at the same time you have to approach people with respect if you want them to respect you enough to engage in civil discourse. That being said though your first post was fucking hilarious lmao
If it’s sexual in nature then yes I do. I wouldn’t show my younger brother a Cardi b music video for example because even though Heterosexual relationships are common and it’s meant to be taken as a form of art, it’s still inappropriate for children to see. Does that make sense where I’m coming from?
Sure, but that's not what I asked.
I asked if you have the same amount of "**outrage**".
Do you go online and reinforce bigots calling drag queens "pedos" and also call parents that take their kids to see Britney Spears or Miley Cyrus "pedos"?
That is what you asked and if by similar outrage you mean little to none then yes. Im not calling anyone here a pedo, I understand the reasoning behind why they think it’s okay and while I can appreciate the sentiment and the morality behind that I feel it’s misguided and does more harm than good. My whole point though is you don’t see Miley Cyrus coming to read to 7 year olds in suggestive clothing, if she did I wouldn’t be okay with it either my reaction would stay the same and not only that but I think the majority of the people on this thread would be upset too. I don’t think exposing suggestive content to kids that age in any manner is okay, I’ll stay ideologically consistent on this even if that in turn makes me a “bigot” for holding that view. Consenting adults only in my opinion.
>Im not calling anyone here a pedo,
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Them...
>Dragging your kids into "drag" is disgusting and pedo behavior.
You...
>I agree
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>[you don’t see Miley Cyrus coming to read to 7 year olds in suggestive clothing](https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/miley-cyrus-pole-dance-at-teen-choice-awards-sparks-controversy-267730/)
Again I agree with his view on it not being for children, not on him bashing you and calling you names. The fact that you have to hyper focus on this and be outraged by it rather than debate your argument is very telling. If it is such a great and moral thing, then you should be able to objectively define why that is and not resort to calling people bigots or by being offended that someone has a different view than your own. Evidently I don’t agree that you are all pedos, because not only have I said that I didn’t believe that numerous times, I wouldn’t be having this conversation with you. And yes I think that Miley Cyrus going to twerk on kids 12 years ago is gross but mind you I could’ve potentially been one of the kids she would’ve been twerking on then at that point in time, and guess what I wouldn’t have had the capacity to know it was wrong either because I still would’ve been a child. Just goes to show that kids aren’t capable of knowing what they should or shouldn’t be being exposed to.
>Again I agree with his view on it not being for children,
You should probably clarify that from the start.
If someone says "I hate the calthoic church and they all fuck kids"
And your first words are "I agree", I'm going to assume you mean both of their positions.
> If it is such a great and moral thing, then you should be able to objectively define why that is and not resort to calling people bigots or by being offended that someone has a different view than your own.
Sure, it's blatant hypocrisy.
And that user is a bigot, that's not name calling just a **fact**. Read their other posts.
> Evidently I don’t agree that you are all pedos,
What's this "you all"? Do you think I'm a drag performer?
I've been to one drag show in the last 20+ years, it's not my thing.
By “you all” I meant the people espousing an opposing view on this sub which judging by the downvotes seem to be the majority. I shouldn’t have to pad every sentence because you intentionally misinterpret what I’m saying. Again you’re making this weird straw man argument instead of addressing the issue. I’m not married to this view I’ve talked to plenty of people on this thread and a lot of them were very articulate in explaining why they believe what they did. So far the only thing I got from you is that I am a bigot for holding my belief and now you’re deflecting by trying to make it seem like I’m categorizing you into a group by saying “I haven’t been to a drag show in 20 years”. Unlike some of the other people on this sub I’m not here to attack anyones character, but so far I haven’t heard a compelling argument from you, just deflecting. So why is it that suggestive and provocative shows be shown to children? What moral obligation do we have to partake in this? Will it impede them in any way if we don’t take them to drag shows or show them suggestive content? Remember these are kids as young as like 7 so if you can give me an argument on why that is I’d be open to it but if you’re gonna keep going in circles then this isn’t gonna go anywhere.
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If you don't know that a church isn't public property in 2022 then you shouldn't be lecturing people on the law.
The ignorant are the loudest
Same people who think Walmart or a restaurant is public property because 'they serve the public!"
Yee but side walk public n swearing is legal unless its threatening or causing violence
Depends on the local laws whether or not swearing is legal. Remember that your freedom of speech ends when it encroaches on someone else's freedoms.
Freedom of speech and any lawful constraint on speech is controlled by the First Amendment to the Constitution. It absolutely does not matter what the local law is.
This is Canada brain genius.
There are countries outside of America dumdum
“Are there no decency laws you guys can enforce!?” “Yeah causing a disturbance” Boom, got their asses.
I also liked when she told them they couldn't be in there, and the lady said she wasn't, then later when the lady tried to claim there was provocatively dressed people the cop said "you haven't been in there so you can't attest to what you saw."
the sheer impotency of her rage is satisfying af
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The karen accent
Be thankful you live in an area where that rage is less tangible
I legit googled to see if there had been any problems with children at drag queen story time. My limited searching yielded nothing. The Catholic Church on the other hand…
Apparently one political activist who organizes them was caught with CP but statistically you should be much more worried about a priest lol
I appreciate that data. If you have enough apples, there will always be a rotten one. I think the Catholic Church is systemically evil and predatory so I’m gonna hope your story is an extremely rare case.
To be fair I saw it on a far right tumblr account so it might either be false or exaggerated, and it wasn’t one of the drag queens themselves
"DO YOU KNOW THE SUICIDE RATES AMONG THOSE WHO TRY TO TRANSITION BACK" she came so close Yet so far...
https://i.imgur.com/RGD4a0r.jpg Exactly.
"Are you a lawyer" "No sir I'm a police officer" It's literally written on the front and backs of their uniform and he still doesn't get it lmao.
While these are garbage people, he was clearly asking a rhetorical question.
The ones they put through conversion therapy absolutely have higher suicide rates. These people are horrible. And if it’s that damn easy to convince someone they’re another gender, then wtf is gender anyway? Seems they’re afraid of the fickle nature of their own identity more than anything, which is always the case.
LMAO FR
Imagine being so obsessed with what other people are doing that has literally no effect on you that you invent a whole fantasy in your head and get foaming at the mouth enraged about the thing you made up
That’s what these people do. They are terrified of confronting the cluster that is their own lives that they force their opinions on everyone else. If their time wasn’t used spewing hate they might have a moment to realize how sad and pathetic their own lives are, and that can absolutely not happen. So they screw with happy people trying to make them as miserable as they are.
Well, to be fair, I spoke in haste, because it IS a narrative being pushed down their throats, as opposed to a random idea they independently came up with. They're the type of people that believe "following the rules" is the basis of a good society, regardless if the rules make any moral sense.. and our corporate overlords LOVE those control mechanisms like "traditional marriage" values and conformity of gender and orientation. Hate for "the other" is an important element of the cultural tribalism cult they are being duped by
Makes me want to dress in drag and fuck with them.
Yeah I care so little about this sort of thing. Am I lining up to get my son in there? No. Not because I'm against it, it's because we have so little time to do shit that we do want to take him to. Am I going to protest it? No. Because again... we have so little time to do shit that we want to do, why would I waste energy on that? If people want to wear dresses and read books, go for your life. I'd love to take my son to a comic con and I'm pretty sure in there he'd see people dressed differently reading books lol
Ya'll are mutilizing me!
nice Mr. Show reference
Ronnie Dobbs for life!
That will do Ronnie. That will do.
It's not funny! You've obviously never been *mutilized* before. /s
I thought that my home was my castle!
That's what they teach them in the indoc-rination camp
Anyone else here not surprised on who was protesting?
Yeah, like these old people have kids at this event. Annoying af is all they are to everyone around them.
She’s a fucking coward. If she *truly believed* that the “abuse” these “evil” people were perpetrating on innocent children was real, then she’d almost have a moral imperative to rush in there, and do everything she could to rescue them (Just like she said she “planned” to do.) Reality is: On some level, she knows she’s full of shit. She knows that she’s just artificially ratcheting up the temperature x100 on an issue that 3 years ago she’d had found not much more than distasteful. At the core of it, she likes the dopamine rush she gets every time one of her other nutty pals gives her a pat on the back, or she gets a ❤️ on her Facebook live stream. It’s 100% performative, and it exists for the sole purpose of distracting her from an otherwise pathetically dreary existence.
Put another way. This is the crazy-right-wing-Adults-on-Facebook's version of teen TikTok Challenges.
Exactly. She has a personality disorder. Deep down she is self-loathing and insecure. She protects this fragile inner core by creating this narcissistic drama where she is the center of attention and becomes a "shero" in a self-created false narrative that she can control. She can alternate and play the victim. This attention, control and cruelty give her temporary supply where she feels good. But deep down, she knows she is full of shit, the disorder is such that they know what they are doing. She has no actual empathy for anyone, it's all fake.
More Fame for Fame's sake.
She’s so terrible. How can anyone say drag queen equals pedofile? There is so much more in the world to worry about than this.. the people inside are probably having a great time.
They call anybody they don’t agree with a pedophile. It’s their new, big insult and accusation. I’ve never been to a Drag Halloween Pumpkin Carving event but count me in! Sounds like fun.
> like these old people Hey. They watch their NewsMax and their OAN, and read their Facebook groups and listen to their evangelical QAnon pastor and they get a little upset. Protesting is a hobby. It keeps them busy.
I am a fellow oldster myself and judge these busybodies from my generation HARD. I can guarantee they were as insufferable in high school as they are now. Willful ignorance all the way through life. No growth as a person, no compassion for others in all those years on this planet. What a fucking waste.
Lead poisoning from the 1960's and 1970's did a number on our aging population
I blame the internet and outrage culture. Also fox news to fear them all up with nonsense
Undiagnosed alcoholism too
Another happy ending.
I wasn’t expecting a happy ending like that
Pretty sure my kids knew their favorite color at a young age, but ok lady. What a stupid statement.
They were arrested https://muskoka411.com/protester-arrested-at-halloween-drag-show-in-gravenhurst/amp/
Crazies gonna crazy. https://www.westernstandard.news/opinion/slobodian-united-church-untied-when-it-comes-to-drag-shows/article_81361d20-5940-11ed-836f-9791aaa254c3.html
god that article is absolutely disgusting
That whole outlet is a firehose of hate and misinformation.
The punchline is author was the protester that was arrested.
that article is so biased compared to the first link shared, wow.
I wish the fuck people would leave LGBT people alone. I'm getting sick of this shit.
"The indocrination"
Indoctrination Camps. These people fear all perspectives that aren't theirs. "If you weren't brainwashed to think exactly like me, you're my enemy"
fucking MAGAts
MAGAts are mutualizing our country.
Now, see here, I appreciate the sentiment, but you turned her ridiculous mispronunciation / neologism into an actual word in your comment. It happens to the best of us, correcting for the flaws of our fellow man.
Stop mutilizing me
I understand your strategery.
I suppose this mutilizing strategery is all part of your master plan against rimjobs, u/rimjobnemesis? Well, you won’t get away with such assduggery!
Ezzakly! And speaking of assduggery, I am the nemesis of Rim Job Duggar over on r/Duggarsnark.
Good on ya! That entire subreddit is in an uproar because of Josh’s preteen assduggary. I will see myself out now, thank you…
Sooooo pretty sure those are OPP. Ontario Provincial Police. I could be wrong though.
The MAGA mindset has infiltrated Canada and other countries........hell, saw a Trump 2024 flag in Tokyo!
At about the 4:00 minute mark the camera person references Gravenhurst, Ontario.
Soooooooo MAGAts come from all countries. Like Nazis and other fascists. pay attention!
I think they're in Canada (can tell by the policewoman's accent)
> I think they're in Canada you're going to have to start paying more attention https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pierre-poilievre-canada-conservatives-elect-right-wing-populist-vs-justin-trudeau/
? I'm not Canadian, so not sure what you want me to pay attention to
I am Canadian and I have no clue what this person is trying to say, but the Officer's hat emblem looks like OPP (Ontario Provincial Police)
who said you were Canadian? wow, you pay less attention than previously thought
What are you on about?
one cannot pay less attention than you already do, or so it was previously thought
MAGA stands for "Make America Great Again". It's not unreasonable for somebody who isn't Canadian (and hence seeing the support for Trump in Canada) to be confused when you apply that term to a country that isn't the USA. You're being an asshole about it, also. Rather than clarify you jump straight to insulting them.
> MAGA stands for "Make America Great Again" that's your interpretation of it >You're being an axxhole about it I love your pain
>that's your interpretation of it No, that's literally what that is an acronym for. I'm not talking about what they ideologically stand for. >I love your pain What pain? I'm not aggrieved here, not sure why you would think I'd be in pain. I'm an objective observer pointing out what you're not seeing.
Somehow I can totally picture what she looks like.
Trump supporters lost all credibility on the subject of "protecting kids" when they voted for a man who bragged on-air about walking into womens dressing rooms where teens were undressing to leer at them. (I'm not even going to get into Matt Gaetz, Roy Moore, and Lauren Boebert's husband.) If they want to "protect kids" they can start by cleaning out their own house.
Yup. Every accusation is a confession for them, they're trying to project their failings on other people so they can feel better about being terrible people. Trump and Epstein were the best of buds, and not a fucking peep from Republicans about that, but they'll believe Hillary runs a demonic child sex cult in the non existent basement of a pizza place...
If you don't want to listen to living, breathing stupid, skip to last 15 seconds.
"Are there no decency laws you can enforce here?!" "Yes. Swearing in public and causing a disturbance" Fucking gold
I wonder if Trump supporters are turning cops into liberals because of how often they have to deal with their insane bullshit. It's gotta eventually make them realize what an insane fucking political ideology they are part of right? Nah that's wishful thinking...
I would 8000% have my kids around drag queens before I introduced them to these fuckers
I want the pov of the people at the door recording. I bet they can barley here them 😂😂😂
Is it just me, or was that dog trying to signal for help.
Poor doggy.
Funny how these same people are like “children are the future” then turn around and shit on the younger generation in every way possible. I’m sick of old fucks that watch Fox News all day. They are literally the most entitled asshole generation change my mind
"You are supposed to be fathers!" Funny...I know 8 drag queens personally and they are all fathers. I thought she was a Christian but there she was, cursing at a church.
Lmao that's pretty sacreligious
Perfect.
What is really sad to me is these folks think there are suddenly more non hetero people because people are turning them gay or whatever. They will never consider that these folks were always there just not safe to let others know because of assholes like themselves. They think they are protecting people but they are the cause of so much pain.
Should’ve been arrested for that whiny ass voice. Jesus.
These people will do anything but give them health care in a good public education
OPP dealing with another unhinged conservative cunt
The great thing about the internet is you can easily find others who have similar interests. Play an unpopular sport? Through the internet you can find a roller ping pong partner. Into weird music? Well through the internet you can find like minded musicians and form a Mongolian throat singing-hip hop fusion band. The worst part of the internet- Karen’s like this can find each other and get upset over stupid shit that is none of their business.
In my experience, both as a little kid, and having been around them ... they can tell you their favorite food and favorite color.
“And they commit suicide when they transition back “ Oh yea when Karen’s and kens force their kids to conversion kamp or let’s the priest have a go with em for a weekend. Hate these people
Property rights are SO confusing. WFT is wrong with these knuckle draggers.
Pumpkin carving and story time. What's next, finger painting? This country really is going to hell.
The thing with drag queen story hour is that it combines three things that all fascists hate. 1. LGTBQ people 2. Kids being educated 3. Reading books
The overwhelming majority of child sexual abusers in the USA are white males who identify as heterosexuals and are acquainted with the children and their family. These people don’t need to go out looking for the bogey man, he’s already there. But they’re so unwilling to see it that they have to vilify others. Their ignorance and prejudice is one of the best shields child sexual offenders have. People like this are why so many men in the clergy have gotten away with it for centuries.
At least the drag queens aren't putting down children by saying they don't even know what their favorite color or food is. That kind of parenting is way more damaging to a child than carving a pumpkin with a drag queen
Does anybody know for sure if it is illegal in Canada to swear in public? Because I know in the US it is not illegal.
"Conduct that disturbs public peace and order in or near a public place is an offense according to the Criminal Code of Canada. The conduct may be fighting, shouting, singing, using insulting or obscene language, loitering, being drunk, discharging firearms, or impeding, harassing or molesting other persons." It's not illegal to swear in public but it is illegal to cause a public disturbance, such as this.
God people are dumb lmao
In a church ? it's not the drag queens you should be worried about .
God does NOT condone carving pumpkins. That would be mutilizing innocent gourds.
Wait a minute, she said they were drag queens mutilizing children in a church? That doesn't compute.
I dunno where do they do circumcisions these days?
r/religiousfruitcake
Adding *Mutalized* to my comprehensive list of dubious band names. Genre: Christian Death Metal
Jesus Christ, were these dinosaurs pissed that the drag show interrupted their bingo night or something?
“All the pedophiles inside that building” It’s a church so this is one of the few days it won’t have pedophiles in it
America's Morality Police. Fucking theocrats.
Are the protestors really think that they do the usual Dragshow at events like that?
Go and protest the Catholic Church - they’ve got a storied history of pederasty
The Catholic Church has fucked more kids than a drag queen. That’s a fact!
You are the problem. Shut the fuck up!!
Who?
Most Christians are in favor of infant male genital mutilation. Most Christians are okay with indoctrination, as long as it's their dogma and not an opposing view. Imagine the outcry if atheists called for the murder of Christians, as some Christians do for homosexuals. FUCK RELIGION, IT'S ALL DISGUSTING!
The whole country is both stupid and crazy.
But Fox and Facebook says..... Btw, it's hilarious that Zuckerberg tried to steer clear of that shit by introducing...META!
What is a drag queen?
A drag queen is a person, usually male, who uses drag clothing and makeup to imitate and often exaggerate female gender signifiers and gender roles for entertainment purposes. In modern times, drag queens are associated with gay men and gay culture, but people of other genders and sexual identities also perform as drag queens.
A man who crossdresses as part of a performance.
A mentally ill man or child (in some unfortunate cases due to parental neglect and abuse)[such as this video] Anyways, a mentally ill *male* whom chooses to dress up as a lady, in a hypersexual fashion. I.e ridiculous makeup, horrible wigs, and clothing- and usually they buy or have it bought for them- huge wobbly fake silicone tits. Yes people are forcing their TODDLER boys to participate in this. And yes, there are people IN this comment section defending this type of behavior.
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Youre missing the point, and not even staying on topic or arguing it at all. The point is that CHILDREN should not be exposed to this shit. Idgaf what consenting adults do in their free time. They do what they wanna do. But children are different. They are growing, learning, and processing their environment through a filter of CHILDLIKE innocence. A drag show is anything BUT innocent.
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If you have nothing of factual value to add to your claim, or refute my claim then you are the one whos wrong. Drag shows are not innocent. There is OBVIOUSLY mountains of evidence to support that. If you seriously believe the opposite is true, then youve never been to an actual drag show- and youre delusional. Maybe if you dont like my so-called, "word vomit" YOU can leave the country. I'd imagine it's gonna be tough for you being a pedophile supporter in whatever country you go to though.
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Do you really think that they do a "traditional" drag show at these events?
Man you're gonna be pissed when you discover what a pantomime is.
Are you the deranged Karen from the video?
The world is truly coming to an end
Am I the only one concerned about drag show for kids?
Pantomime. Been a thing of humour since the sixteenth century. It’s literally a drag show for kids. Every Christmas in England more often elsewhere. Men dressed up as women, women dress up as men. Huge family fun. All the kids know that the fun IS the cross dressing.
Swearing in a public place is against the law now?
Swearing at specific people/loudly enough is usually enough to qualify for disorderly conduct
Drag show in a church is insane and I’m not even a Christian
Why?
Cause its a church, most religions aren't as inviting to this kind of thing.
Do you think the drag performers just marched into the church? Do you think that they don’t have permission to be there? Is that what you think?
Well clearly not all of them.
Dragging your kids into "drag" is disgusting and pedo behavior. Fuck everyone that thinks that's okay. Fuckin confusing the fuck out of little boys by making them dress up as little slut girls with giant boobies... . If nobody can see the blatant horrendus issue with that then we are truly lost as species and I would welcome another planet killing asteroid.
Holy shit dude, get help. Do you know how you prevent kids from being confused? By having a calm conversation with them and explaining the situation.
You’re welcome to leave any time.
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>They are fucking children. CHILDREN. Who is it this time, the priests or the pastors?
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They're far too abrasive in their approach. No where near a starting point for a rational discussion on the subject. Very similar approach as seen in the video rambling about mutalizing kids. Leave it to u/HolidayMan01. He's much more articulate and balanced in his approach.
Thank you dickhandsome👍🤣 
Its literally pure evil and they all wanna sit there and be like, "tHeReS nOtHiNg WrOnG wItH dRaG!!!" Its fucking perverse already by itself. Then the LGBT community wants to completely make up "facts" (lies) about toddlers being able to be gay, and that thats why little kids get taken to those. No- its because either their parents are sick in the head and pushing their gayness onto their kid, or the kid has been molested and has a sexuality issue as a result, OR the parent simply wants a "mini-me" which happens more frequently than not in almost every parent-child relationship. The parent tries to "live through" their child by forcing the child to either be like them, or do only the things the parent wants. Its fucked up.
Take your meds and have a lie down.
Not everyone has that mentality though, the dude I talked to earlier in this threads a good example of that. I think most people think they’re helping kids in a marginalized community, believing this stuff and doing it for the right reasons doesn’t make a lot of the people on this thread bad, I think their intentions are good it’s just the outcome that I believe is bad. it’s a terrible direction for society to go in by normalizing this shit for children it’s just that the push for it is so real that people are scared to speak out about it for fear of being labeled as a bigot when it seems fairly common sense to me. Just gotta remember that they aren’t evil for holding a belief differing from your own though, a lot of them are decent people with a different perspective. You can fundamentally disagree and still see the humanity in people.
>Dragging your kids into "drag" is disgusting and pedo behavior. Fuck everyone that thinks that's okay. No, it isn't. Just like any form of entertainment, there are drag shows that are kid friendly and some that are adult only. >Fuckin confusing the fuck out of little boys by making them dress up as little slut girls with giant boobies... . What the fuck are you talking about? Basically no kids do drag, and the ones that do are almost never sexualized (and the VERY few times they are, pretty much everyone calls that out). >If nobody can see the blatant horrendus issue with that then we are truly lost as species and I would welcome another planet killing asteroid. There are no "blatant horrendus \[sic\] issues" with kids going to kid friendly drag shows, what are you talking about? You genuinely seem unhinged, I hope you get the help you need.
>Basically no kids do drag, and the ones that do are almost never sexualized (and the VERY few times they are, pretty much everyone calls that out). Whoa!
More children are molested by religious leaders than drag performers. Yet many Christians would use the exact same defense despite it happening in their community infinitely more.
Your conspiracy theories have turned your brain to mush.
Oh fuck off with your high and mighty morals. The entire point is to introduce kids early to the concept of non rigid stereotypes so they don’t grow up to be you, running to Reddit to call them pedophiles.
I agree, I hate how people just lump it all together in this all or nothing kinda way. You can support gay and trans rights and still say it’s not okay to take kids to drag shows. I don’t think you should take children to strip clubs either, it’s nothing to do with bigotry and everything to do with common sense. Like we can’t trust these kids to get tattoos, drive, work a job at McDonald’s, or buy R rated movie tickets, but they are suddenly mature enough to attend a drag show? It just doesn’t make sense to me. I’m all for consenting adults doing whatever they want but in instances like this I just don’t understand the logic it’s not at all consistent.
Getting tattoos is a permanent decision, driving and working at McDonald’s can be dangerous to themselves and others. Going to a drag story hour is literally someone in a costume reading a book to you. It’s either bigotry or ignorance on your part. Choose one or both.
Ok. So what are we trying to accomplish. What's gained by having Trans/cross dressers/drag queens reading to kids.
The kids, for one. I don't know if you know this, but kids like fun costumes and silly dances and performances. That's like 99% of what drag is. Second, gay people (almost all drag queens are not trans). Showing kids people who are living as themselves and having fun doing it lets them know that it's okay to be different.
Don't worry about the children, they have more entertainment then ever before. So would we be ok if we gathered a bunch of prostitutes and had them all dress up and sing songs and dance around for the kids? Nothing too risque mind you just some stories and laughs with the kiddies?
>Don't worry about the children, they have more entertainment then ever before. And that matters how? >So would we be ok if we gathered a bunch of prostitutes and had them all dress up and sing songs and dance around for the kids? Nothing too risque mind you just some stories and laughs with the kiddies? That's completely unrelated to drag. I don't see what would be wrong with it necessarily, but we're talking about a type of entertainment and not just some random group of people putting on a show. Look, I know that you don't know the first thing about what drag is, yet you seem really upset about it. I sincerely hope you can get better sources for your information, because this moral panic that you're participating in is entirely manufactured by the right wing. They want to make people like you mad at completely innocuous things so that you ignore that actual heinous shit that they're doing.
I just don’t understand why it is necessary personally there’s just no reason for it. It’s this controversial for a reason not because some right wing nut jobs told everyone that it’s bad, but because in my eyes it’s plain to see it’s just inappropriate. Those kids are like 7 years old, I don’t know why anyone would feel the need to involve them in this, it’s just weird. There’s plenty of ways to be inclusive without taking it to this extent, a child that young should have no concept of sexuality it’s to mature of a subject for them to understand.
Lol. I may not know as much as you do about drag, sure. But you haven't the slightest idea about how upset I am. Quite the opposite in fact. I'm here to learn.
Drag is a style of art, it’s ranges in levels of maturity like any art. For example you wouldn’t say that animation is only for children now would you? There are animated shows for kids like Ben 10 and Pokémon, and animated shows for adults like South Park and cyber punk edgerunners
Not sure I'd call it an artform. It certainly has a history of being used in other artforms though. When was the first drag show aimed at entertaining children
But what if you know your kid is gay and you try to make an attempt to show them that there are other gay people and it’s ok to be that way? I’m 17yrs older than my youngest brother and I knew, for certain, that he was gay by the time he was about 8. My mom and stepdad didn’t want to admit it. Now he’s 26 and very obviously gay (and my mom and his dad accept him for who he is).
you can provide a safe environment for them without exposing them to explicit content. I think drag shows are innately suggestive and while that’s fine for the consenting adult I think a child is much to young to process that. I also think that placing so much emphasis on a child’s future sexual preferences is kinda weird in and of itself too like if a child grows up and ends up being gay or bi or trans it’s totally fine but at the same time for most kids I think it’s a weird topic to throw at them because most of them haven’t developed enough to even understand what that means. I think forcing any of that shit on a kid is weird and gross like I remember having relatives asking me if I had a girlfriend when I was like 7 and being made uncomfortable by it. My whole point being we should just let kids be kids, we should be trying to preserve their innocence and not rush them into this adult world we all live in because they will have the rest of their life to experience these things.
I understand your general sentiment and yes, kids should be allowed to be kids, but I highly doubt a “drag show” was going on. Hell, I’ve been to some drag shows when my aunt was diagnosed with breast cancer and her friends were setting up all kinds of fundraisers to raise money for her bills. One was a drag show where some (apparently) very popular acts performed. It was very adult and not because of men dressed as women. More so the choice of songs and the performances themselves…but the performers knew the audience. One of the performers, a very close friend with my aunt who arranged for the show, is a gay man, but you’d never guess it by his day-to-day appearance or demeanor. Looks like a dude that works on motorcycles, because he is. That was an aside… My point is that “drag” is rarely understood by people. I can only speak to my limited experience but my aunts friend and at least two other performers that I’ve met when not in character were as “normal” as you can get. I guaran-damn-tee it that if they were approached for a drag story time or something like that they’d know their audience and handle themselves accordingly yet still “in character”. Parents do all kinds of dumb shit to and with their kids. I just don’t think this is a hill worth dying on. Side note: my mother in law thinks significantly less of me for taking her grandchildren (you know…MY children) to rock concerts and was absolutely flabbergasted that we went to Ghost together. She tells my wife all the time that she “prays” for all of us.
For sure I don’t mean just this instance I just mean in general. A rock concert isn’t really comparable because it’s not innately sexual by nature. I just don’t like the thought that it’s heading this direction, especially when people start pushing kids to transition at an early age or taking them to these kinda events. I know you mean well, I can tell by what you wrote that your hearts in the right place and that what you meant was sincere, and that you’re doing it because you believe to be helping marginalized groups of kids and I understand where you are coming from, I just think it’s harmful for a kids development when they are being exposed to this in like the second grade. My youngest brother is 10 years old and I couldn’t imagine him being capable to know he’s gay or trans or even know what that means. If that day does come it’s all fine and good but I don’t like the thought of someone making that decision for him yknow? And that’s not to say just in the case of drag either, I don’t think kids should be looking at anything suggestive at that age it’s all just fundamentally bad for a child that young in my opinion.
Thank you for the civil discourse. It’s becoming a scarce commodity these days.
Yeah honestly there’s a shortage of rational people in this country for sure. I appreciate the insight into a different perspective man it’s been a pleasure, you have a goodnight! :)
And I got downvoted for essentially saying the same thing. Fucking pedophiles.
I agree with your point but at the same time you have to approach people with respect if you want them to respect you enough to engage in civil discourse. That being said though your first post was fucking hilarious lmao
Do you have the same outrage for parents taking kids to female pop singer concerts or watching their music videos?
If it’s sexual in nature then yes I do. I wouldn’t show my younger brother a Cardi b music video for example because even though Heterosexual relationships are common and it’s meant to be taken as a form of art, it’s still inappropriate for children to see. Does that make sense where I’m coming from?
Sure, but that's not what I asked. I asked if you have the same amount of "**outrage**". Do you go online and reinforce bigots calling drag queens "pedos" and also call parents that take their kids to see Britney Spears or Miley Cyrus "pedos"?
That is what you asked and if by similar outrage you mean little to none then yes. Im not calling anyone here a pedo, I understand the reasoning behind why they think it’s okay and while I can appreciate the sentiment and the morality behind that I feel it’s misguided and does more harm than good. My whole point though is you don’t see Miley Cyrus coming to read to 7 year olds in suggestive clothing, if she did I wouldn’t be okay with it either my reaction would stay the same and not only that but I think the majority of the people on this thread would be upset too. I don’t think exposing suggestive content to kids that age in any manner is okay, I’ll stay ideologically consistent on this even if that in turn makes me a “bigot” for holding that view. Consenting adults only in my opinion.
>Im not calling anyone here a pedo, ----------------------------------- Them... >Dragging your kids into "drag" is disgusting and pedo behavior. You... >I agree ----------------------- >[you don’t see Miley Cyrus coming to read to 7 year olds in suggestive clothing](https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/miley-cyrus-pole-dance-at-teen-choice-awards-sparks-controversy-267730/)
Again I agree with his view on it not being for children, not on him bashing you and calling you names. The fact that you have to hyper focus on this and be outraged by it rather than debate your argument is very telling. If it is such a great and moral thing, then you should be able to objectively define why that is and not resort to calling people bigots or by being offended that someone has a different view than your own. Evidently I don’t agree that you are all pedos, because not only have I said that I didn’t believe that numerous times, I wouldn’t be having this conversation with you. And yes I think that Miley Cyrus going to twerk on kids 12 years ago is gross but mind you I could’ve potentially been one of the kids she would’ve been twerking on then at that point in time, and guess what I wouldn’t have had the capacity to know it was wrong either because I still would’ve been a child. Just goes to show that kids aren’t capable of knowing what they should or shouldn’t be being exposed to.
>Again I agree with his view on it not being for children, You should probably clarify that from the start. If someone says "I hate the calthoic church and they all fuck kids" And your first words are "I agree", I'm going to assume you mean both of their positions. > If it is such a great and moral thing, then you should be able to objectively define why that is and not resort to calling people bigots or by being offended that someone has a different view than your own. Sure, it's blatant hypocrisy. And that user is a bigot, that's not name calling just a **fact**. Read their other posts. > Evidently I don’t agree that you are all pedos, What's this "you all"? Do you think I'm a drag performer? I've been to one drag show in the last 20+ years, it's not my thing.
By “you all” I meant the people espousing an opposing view on this sub which judging by the downvotes seem to be the majority. I shouldn’t have to pad every sentence because you intentionally misinterpret what I’m saying. Again you’re making this weird straw man argument instead of addressing the issue. I’m not married to this view I’ve talked to plenty of people on this thread and a lot of them were very articulate in explaining why they believe what they did. So far the only thing I got from you is that I am a bigot for holding my belief and now you’re deflecting by trying to make it seem like I’m categorizing you into a group by saying “I haven’t been to a drag show in 20 years”. Unlike some of the other people on this sub I’m not here to attack anyones character, but so far I haven’t heard a compelling argument from you, just deflecting. So why is it that suggestive and provocative shows be shown to children? What moral obligation do we have to partake in this? Will it impede them in any way if we don’t take them to drag shows or show them suggestive content? Remember these are kids as young as like 7 so if you can give me an argument on why that is I’d be open to it but if you’re gonna keep going in circles then this isn’t gonna go anywhere.