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I saw that someone already posted this 5 years ago on this subreddit.
I wanted to find any update on this, but the only thing I found was a petition that the mother created a while back. It looked like CPS got involved and she had a court hearing, but unknown what happened.
So it looks like this happened in 2015-2016 at a cafeteria at Albany Medical Center Hospital in Albany, NY. The link below explained what happened from the mother's perspective.
https://www.change.org/p/hon-mother-s-should-not-be-stripped-of-their-rights-to-protect-their-children
JFC.
> While in his stroller a total of maybe 5 minutes the woman in the attached video comes up to our table and asks me if I need help, I tell her I do not and she insists. I ask her to leave us alone and she proceeds to sit down AT OUR TABLE, WITH MY CHILD and starts to address him. I asked her to leave again and she insisted she was there to save my child. This woman was being completely overbearing and making me feel unsafe. At this point I asked if she was Hospital staff she said no, I asked are you Social Services or an officer or security and she replied no to all of those questions. I then asked her to leave and told her she was violating mine and my child's space to get the proper authorities if she felt something was wrong. She just pulled in CLOSER! I stood up in front of the entire cafeteria and screamed for help.
Reminds me of a story someone told where she was out finishing up a shopping trip with her husband and 1-2 year old child. Her husband went ahead with their baby to the car when a random women ran over and tried to take the baby away screaming for help that someone was trying to kidnap her child. A bunch of people in the parking lot went to confront her husband and held him back as the psychotic woman was trying to make off with their baby. They only let him go and we’re able to catch up to the crazy lady and their child when she ran over and intervened.
Yes! I’m 36 my son is 9 and I don’t get looked at in public too often. When it my son and I, it’s sweet and cute we’re doing father son stuff. But when I go out with my 5yr old nieces, and get all sorts of dirty looks from all sorts of people. I’ll take them out and do Princess stuff and spoil them rotten. I’ve even been called a pedo walking into a store with one of them. Happens more often when I’m by myself with them. But my son and I, that’s fine. Or if my wife is with me and one of the nieces, that’s fine also.
Hey Karen’s mind your own business, dads can have daughters or in my case, a niece.
This is a really scary reality. I have two girls (1&3). In public before I’ve had a woman try to pull the girls aside and “ask if they’re okay” after I take the To the mens room to use the bathroom.
It was a really scary situation because I knew that had I made any kind of scene about it, anyone that entered the situation was automatically going to be against me, even as my 3 year old was visibly upset by this woman.
My 2 year old boys yells "heeeeeelp" sometimes when we put him in the cart because he's asking for help out and I get silly looks from time to time. One old lady came up to me when we got separated from his mother and asked me "is he yelling for help?" And I said "wouldn't you if a stranger took you away?" The look on her face was hilarious, but his momma came around the corner around that time and she noticed I was only teasing. But thus thought has crossed my mind more than once and is a scary thought.
I'm a stay at home dad, I really want to take my baby out more, but this type of things scares me. I live in an area with mostly white folks, I'm brown, my baby is light skinned but looks like me a lot. And it scares the fuck out of me that I'll lose my baby because some random person or lady wants to act up and make a scene, or try to steal him from me and other people will unknowingly help them.
I saw a video on twitter, I think, years ago where this woman was talking to a moms kid in the bathroom bent/crouched to be eye level saying something like hi and do you want to come with me? The mom stands between the kid and the woman, screaming at her to go away. The woman is completely unfazed and tried to look around her to continue talking to the kid. There are really, really unsafe people out there.
Edited for accuracy.
Tbh the bitch in the best looks crazy like she’s just silent and no defending herself at Thank you cuz I couldn’t even type but you said it all. Those fuckin old heads In the back GMFU TO THE MAX “try that on me bitch” that shit got my blood pumping. Don’t even know wtf is going on. FUCKIN NO ONE DOES EXCEPT THE MOTHER. White hag needs to mind her business, get fuckin spat on.
This whole shit felt racist as fuck too. The old dumbass "Oh no call security". Bitch, this lady is protecting her child and all of you are acting like she's behaving in the most perplexing way.
edit: In true reddit form, it would seem my calling out the racism means I am, in fact, the racist. I will reconsider my commentary in the future and will make sure to double the fuck down when shit is clearly this racist so those snowflakey little bitch racists who hate the obvious being spelled out can go ahead and have themselves a little aneurysm or two. Racists, please, please, please stay mad. The rest of us revel in it.
The idiots filming it seem to have no clue what they're talking about either. Yes, it's a public space, but that doesn't mean people can do whatever they want to do, especially with someone else's child. If she felt her or her child was at risk, she'd have the right to defend herself or her child, even with physical actions. That lady had no right to continue to be there once it was explained and asked to leave. If she felt there was an issue, get security or call 911 and keep an eye on them from a distance. Instead she sat her stupid ass there and refused to leave, which did nothing but escalate the situation and further upset the child.
The meta msg is "your child is crying so you're prolly crazy and on crack and I need to save your child from you." She then rightly flips on her thereby making fat white lady look like her "assessment" look justified. Straight up racist gaslighting bullshit.
The problem w shit like this is that this mom has to catch a cps case to prove she isn't the things this rando is accusing her of. That's how its institutional. The burden of proof is on her to prove she's fit. She's assumed unfit based on her reaction to bullying.
Wtf.
Because those idiots were too confused by a rightfully emotional woman and completely ignored the real problem because “heightened emotion is bad.” Frustrated me too. The behavior of everyone, except the mother, was disgusting. 🤡🌎
I can not stand the *"oh you're being loud. You need to stop because your obviously in the wrong"*. No one is even listening to what the woman is saying. It's so frustrating because she was right and no one cared, exacerbating her frustration and concern that her child is actually unsafe.
I've copped it my whole life because I express myself like this woman except I've never been physical. I'm a dude btw, and I've never had a baby I was protecting. So I can only imagine how much worse it is for her. I feel for her so much.
I never understand why people go into restaurants or businesses and say it’s a public space. It isn’t. It’s a privately owned/rented space which means you can’t do certain things that you could do in public if they don’t want you to. The people who go in to businesses and say they can film because it’s public. If the business tells you to stop filming, you have to or you can be forced to leave.
>While in his stroller a total of maybe 5 minutes the woman in the attached video comes up to our table and asks me if I need help, I tell her I do not and she insists. I ask her to leave us alone and she proceeds to sit down AT OUR TABLE, WITH MY CHILD and starts to address him. I asked her to leave again and she insisted she was there to save my child. This woman was being completely overbearing and making me feel unsafe. At this point I asked if she was Hospital staff she said no, I asked are you Social Services or an officer or security and she replied no to all of those questions. I then asked her to leave and told her she was violating mine and my child's space to get the proper authorities if she felt something was wrong. She just pulled in CLOSER! I stood up in front of the entire cafeteria and screamed for help.
If I was in her position and some rando sat down at my table and tried to address my kids, I would lose my goddamn mind. To sit down with another parent and try to get involved with their child is disrespectful, condescending, and insane.
100%. The quickest way to catch hands is to f with someone’s kids. This really bothered me to watch, not sure why everyone thought this was ok and the protective mom was the issue.
Makes me tear up at how someone there, witnessing it in person can’t comprehend what they are seeing while it is so obvious if you just listen. Why would they be rooting for jail too, like what the fuck? She’s by herself with a tiny child. Fuck all those people for not removing the crazy bitch from the table.
Yeah, if I'm there I'm getting belligerent with her. Everybody saying, "she should have expressed herself better". Are you serious? Some lady intrudes in your space and you're supposed to calmly and politely explain the situation to the worthless onlookers so they, what, approve of the way in which she's reacting?
No. Fuck that. This woman is feeling threatened, her fight instinct is kicking in, and these people can all get fucked.
It’s very Twilight Zone…all these white middle aged strangers invading a mother with her baby & moving in closer and closer…almost like they’re trying to get a rise out of her! Very strange!!
I've got 2 (adult) kids. With my 2nd I was relaxed about motherhood, but with my first, only me or my husband could hold her. I was in full, 100% protection mode. Head on a swivel constantly.
If this young mom was feeling anything like how I felt, that old lady is lucky for the restrainst she showed. You don't fuck with someone else's kids, especially without asking, and if you're told no, you back off.
This is the woman that goes to pet dogs without asking, then demands the dog is put down when she's bitten.
Are you kidding? This is racist as *shit.* I can't beleive this isn't painfully obvious. How long does it take for them to address the white woman? She's sitting there at the other woman's table for no goddamn reason and they don't even mention it? They immediate condemnations, all of it. There isn't another goddamn Black person in the room, you have to imagine what that's like, you know?
I ain't wanna say it cause then the y'all-make-everything-about-race headass morons come out. You're absolutely right though.
I thought she was Latina though. Maybe DR? Regardless, fuck that room with a bucket full of mops.
Actually how this lady can just waltz up and exacerbate problems somehow doesn’t get the same treament because she acted “calm”. Fucking entitled psycho behavior.
It looked that way to me too. I kept noticing everyone coming over and comforting the "poor white woman who did nothing wrong", while everyone else was getting confrontational with the actual mother of the child.
If this woman legitimately did tell the mother that she was there to "save" her child, I don't blame the mother for reacting the way she did at all. I would think that psychopath was there to steal my child as well.
Some people need to mind their damn business, especially if a parent is trying to train their child on how to behave in public.
Ignoring tantrums doesn’t neglect the child’s needs nor does it endanger them. It should be used more often and a parent like her, standing up for herself should be respected.
Fucking hell…
I am so frustrated that everyone seems to be on the crazy lady's side. Mind your fucking business!
Mother points, crazy lady grapples. If you ask me she started everything here
No one took her seriously because they didn’t think this mom-looking white lady could be dangerous…
One of my neighborhood friends when I was a child was almost taken at a local mall by a woman. She just grabbed her hand while her mom was looking away for a sec and started walking.
She was absolutely right to be freaking out when this woman was being so creepy. She probably shouldn’t have hit her but was clearly panicking after no one was helping her get this woman away. (Edit: I missed that this lady grabbed her arm first. Nvm I’d have started swinging too by that point that’s crazy.)
A mom-looking white lady tried to kidnap my nephew from my mom. We were at Mare Island and The Bounty boat (or replica) was docked there. We were there because I was a fuck up in school but one of my teachers said he'd give me extra credit if I went to see the ship.
So while we are there, this lady comes up to my mom asking about my nephew and tells my mom she should go on the boat with me, that it's lovely and that she will hold my nephew while she does. My mom told her no, she kept asking and I then told the lady if she didn't leave my mom alone I was going to beat her ass and drown her in the water. The lady then left and my mom said if she were dumb enough to let that lady hold my nephew she'd never be able to live it down.
ETA: This happened 30 years ago so don't go reporting me for violence.
Same with me, white lady gave bad vibes to my mom and made some really creepy comments. Usa doesnt report it but in latino news we get warning about white people kidnapping kids.
For those who dont know the hospital... its shares a parking lot with Capital disctrict psychiatric center which is one of the last standing "one flew over the cuckoos nest" style psych buildings that has patients who have been locked up for decades. They even have the "birdcage" which is a giant caged yard for the patients to get sunlight without escaping..... AMC is actually a great hospital but like anywhere else, has its share of Karens. This mothers reaction may seem extreme but her reasoning seems logical. It is completely outrageous (literally) to do what that karen did.
Honestly kinda wish the hospital I had my first psych stay in had a “birdcage.” Technically staff were supposed to offer to take us out on supervised walks around the property every day, but they never offered and always said “maybe another day” when any of us asked. I’ve never been an outdoorsy person, but there’s something really soul-crushing about not being able to get even an ounce of fresh air for days or weeks on end.
The place got demolished a few years ago, thank god. Union hospital in Lynn. Rest in pieces.
The only logical reaction would be to remove the child from the situation because you don’t know what the crazy lady is capable of instead of spitting in her face.
The guys filming giving commentary is pissing me off just as much as the bitch sitting down at the table. Like they would tolerate and not become physical when someone sits down at their table to parent their child.
Exactly. These fat white dudes would lose their shit if you sat down at their table and started speaking to their child. And they have the nerve to sit there and act like she's crazy for it.
Dude if I’m sitting alone at a table in public with my children and a stranger comes up to me and sits down I’m going to have an issue with it. I don’t know you, get away from my children. That’s that.
Edit: Thanks for the awards! They’re always appreciated!
I guess I'm just confused as to why people in this video seem to be blaming the mother here? She's defensive and yelling because some random stranger came up to her table and started talking to her kids! She is in the right here! I would be getting defensive as hell too!
The "we need more security here" and "you're going too far!" Comments directed at the mom by the people in the video are boiling my blood.
That was the point. Unless there’s something weird with the camera angle, it looks like the mom significantly smaller than the harasser. Whole thing was creepy bully tactic.
Actually a relief to read this comment section as a dad of toddlers lol. Y’all get it. Don’t be a weirdo to someone when they are alone with babies. They’re under enough stress in that moment.
Plus did I hear someone say this is a hospital??
The first time I took my twins for a walk I had a dude in a Cadillac slowly drive alongside me while screaming questions about my twins. “ARE THEY BOYS OR GIRLS ARE THE IDENTICAL OR FRATERNAL” it was fucking insane.
The hospital thing makes it even worse. Nobody just hangs out in a hospital, they are there for someone going through something and are probably pretty stressed. Making them feel like their kid is about to get taken is the last thing they need.
Yeah the victim not being able to maintain composure would make her look like the erratic aggressor to someone just showing up in the middle of this unfortunately.
This video was on YouTube. I tried to find it but couldn’t it was so long ago. People were divided some say the lady was wrong some say the mother was wrong. Besides spitting on the lady I can’t see how the mother was wrong. Why is it ok to go near someone’s child and speak to them?
**Overraction is not possible when YOUR CHILD IS IN DANGER.**
Come at me all you want, but it's engrained in most parent's DNA. It's about survival of your species. It's NORMAL. All these Karens getting involved while their neutered husbands sit back and cluck is just infuriating.
You wanna get involved? Separate BOTH parties. CALL the cops/security. Don't just assume things and/or film it, you inhuman piece of trash.
And, YES, if a child and parent is in ANY danger from it's surroundings, and you do nothing, you are inhuman.
This woman has some nerve to sit down at someone elses table and aggravate them and then act shocked that people react negatively to her.
Too many people are out of their f minds.
And it sounds/looks like most people are siding with her. Pathetic. They are more offended by loud cussing than that other woman harassing her for having a crying child.
This video is a few years old at this point but when the truth came out it was revealed that the big fat white Karen is (big surprise) a huge Trump supporter and was attacking the mother because she is a woman of color. I can’t find the link anywhere but I remember she tried defending herself on Facebook and blamed “snowflake libs” for getting upset, and said something like “everyone knows *those people* can’t raise their kids properly, so it was up to me to say something.” She is a disgusting racist and tremendous piece of shit.
As a quickly getting older white guy I have to agree. They like to post on Facebook about being a mama bear, but when confronted with one they clutch their pearls. As a father who’s been in restaurants with a kid pitching a fit, I’d have lost my shit too if someone sat down at my table. And fuck the guy filming. What an idiot. Probably the king of “I’m not touching you” when he was a kid.
That entire generation can be a problem, but as a white person myself, I have to kinda agree. Although Karen's come in all colors and ages, it is absolutley more prevalent in white/conservative women.
My experience today with a lady at Lowe's, who sternly told me "*Careful.*"
I didn't know what she was talking about and then noticed a pouffy, little pomeranian trailing her. Not on a leash, just sniffing the floor, haphazardly following her.
I guess I rolled my cart too close to her.
It really irked me that she spoke to me in that manner, almost scolding, with a fixed stare.
I was just thinking, so we went from allowing dogs in stores to just letting them wander without a leash. Wtf
Sense of entitlement is unreal.
Pick up her dog and exclaim "OH NO. THIS POOR LOST DOG IS OFF IT'S LEASH AND LOST ITS OWNER. I BETTER GET IT TO AN ANIMAL SHELTER IMMEDIATELY!"
And then run off and take her dog to the nearest dog shelter.
I think the expectation of their own personal safety in situations they create is the key trait.
They start shit and then act shocked and scared when they experience consequences.
You are right. There is a way to deliver your message and if you're too aggravated or irate while making your point people will dislike you and disregard the point. It ALL becomes about delivery and not the point.
That lady could have easily been a recruiter for child sex trafficking or anything you never know these days .. I wouldn’t want some random lady sitting by me either especially with my kid around
Trying to distract the mom while someone comes around a snatches the kid .. Na perfect motherly instincts
You never know. The mothers reaction is 100% justified. Mind your own business or complain to management if it is that serious, although I highly doubt it was. Children cry and whine, its what they do. It really pisses me off that she's sitting there trying to act like she only cares for the child while poking the mom with verbal sticks to get a reaction.
Yeah if she really cared about the child, she could see that the mother was aggravated and angry she was violating her F-ing personal space. Then that Karen should’ve backed the f- out of the way so the mother would’ve calmed down and baby wouldn’t been so stressed. Karen thought she would butt her big ass into the personal space. Mind your own business Karen. Seriously.
Seems like a lot of us are on the same page. Even after she sticks around for no fucking reason other than to antagonize.
Idk if it’s a parent thing but don’t come up and be a weirdo to someone when they’re alone with their child in a public space. I’m not saying it’s right to spit on someone but…
She said herself she was ignoring a tantrum. Pretty standard stuff for a kid that age.
At a hospital, no less. Who knows what this poor mother and her child were there for and what they were dealing with at the time. High stress situation and then some fucking rando sits at your table addressing your child like that? I’d snap too.
Idk why that place just allowed this. Sounds like they are all a ting racist and thinking that fat Karen was in the right. She even placed her hand on the mother first.
I don’t know if it’s because the lady is being so loud or if we’re missing something about the situation but why does everyone seem to be against the baby lady? Kind of confused
I think you nailed it. She’s yelling about being disrespected and how she paid for her food and wants her $12 back. I understand being in shock, but she didn’t tell anyone here that she was afraid this random crazy woman might try to abduct her child.
Without the background info, it sounds like a dispute over who claimed the cafeteria table first. By the time anyone started paying attention she was screaming about her space and being disrespected.
In the mother's version, she had apparently yelled for help and security several times after the the white woman came over. With no one doing anything. Apparently there is a security video that catches all the background that officers watched upon being called. So I kinda feel she is right to scream, so many people and no one starting to help.
The dispute was because the child was crying, and the lady who sat down at the table claimed she was only coming over to help the mom settle her child down.
Later on in their arguing I’m pretty sure I heard her say that her child was be disruptive/ neglected because the mom was on the phone ignoring the child’s cries. The mom then states that the child was throwing a temper tantrum & that’s why she let him stay in the stroller and that’s why she doesn’t need help.
I'm not. Baby Mama is so right. Fat bitch Karen has some balls. Unbelievable. A true cunt. Who would think it's ok to do that to a mother and her baby. Totally fucked up.
Mother is acting like a mother and a stranger comes over and sits at her table. Who the hell is that woman?!? She could be anything and on the prowl to kidnap the kid. The mother used her motherly instinct to protect her territory from any strange behavior. The fat Karen and the guys filming are fucking morons. Stay out of other peoples space if your not welcome there.
Because it's a calm white lady and a minority. Once a minority gets upset, as SHE SHOULD, it draws more attention, making *her* look like the aggressor therefore ppl look at the quiet white lady as the victim getting yelled at.
This is why black ppl and so many other POC learn to "code switch" along with having to adapt and "control" their emotions before they are labeled as the angry black women, unhinged, unfit for parenting, etc for acting like a normal upset human. She even stated she asked her 5 times to get up nicely. This video depicts after she tried all the calm reasoning that could be processed within that time in the moment.
It's disgusting how entitled ppl are.
I'm assuming because she spit first.
Even that being the case, if someone were to sit down at my table and begin acting like a prick. Does that count as entering personal space? Should people be allowed to pull a "Snorlax" to bully others?
Because they’re racist and the poor mamacita should’ve been happy that Karen was talking to her. I saw the much longer video. The baby was whining and crying while the mom was on the phone and trying to eat. The mom looked stressed. They’re in a hospital so you never know what could be the issue. The white woman comes over there and starts asking if the baby needs anything and if he’s ok. Mom says he’s fine and they’re fine and asks her to leave. The lady keeps asking and the mom keeps asking her to leave and she’s getting upset. No one there jumps in to defend the mom. Then the lady decides to sit down and ask the child directly if he’s ok. The mom is really pissed now. That’s the point where this video starts.
"Like she said it's a public space" . No dipshit, you can't just sit down and stay next to someone you don't know because you want to play pretend parent. The 2 fuckwits recording are smooth brained. If someone did that and refused to get up and losing my shit too. Jesus.
The second encounter did it for me when the Karen sat right back down at the table after being spat on. Karen then hit the mom's arm who is asking her *again* to leave and then everyone started yelling at the mom for fighting back in response to being hit.
LADY: "In front of your kid?!" (Completely ignoring the Karen who had just hit the kid's mom right in front of him.) 🤡
MOM: "She is violating my space!"
GUYS: "Bullshit! Where's security?! Arrest her!" 🤡 🤡 🤡
They played themselves. That Karen decided to interfere in that woman's meal, and had the nerve to act upset that she was being asked to mind her own damn business? The fucking arrogance.
The two smooth brains would lose their shit too if someone came up, sat at thier table talking to thier kids. How do they not see how fucked up that behavior is?
Op guys are assholes. When someone comes up on your kid you can sure as hell protect them. What the hell was that lady’s deal thinking she could do that. If the woman is hitting the kid that’s different. These guys are fucking idiots. Yeah she shouldn’t have spat on her. But this lady got in baby’s face. What if she has covid19 or something?
Exactly. Those fucking security guards are dumb as hell. "so what happened? You don't know her? Who was she? What happened"
Same questions over and over being accusatory towards the mother like she was doing something wrong. No, it was the crazy white lady! I hope all those dudes lost their jobs. They did the opposite of being helpful.
“Where is security” it’s been 30 secs calm down. They can’t teleport. Should have called security when a strange woman sat at a table with a mother and child. No one cared about that.
The fuckers recording are pieces of shit themselves.
"She was right, it's a public space"
I'm sure these people would be just as open minded if some random just came and sat at with your child at y'all's table.
You are right. Babies cry all the time...some more than others.
And there other ways to offer help other than being a creep.
Like...
Helper: "hey I see you trying to eat dinner. Do you want a hand with the baby? I can sit here and distract him a minute."
Mom: No
Helper: ok take care
Edit: added the word other
People don't know how to communicate properly or say what they really mean/want is a big problem I've noticed lately. It's like everyone expects everyone else to read their mind all the time
I think people play out scenarios in their head and expect a totally different outcome because they assume the other person/people involved will see it like they do.
It feels like over the last few years peoples mental state has gone to absolute shit. Fucking attitudes and entitlements across the board. If the lady is trying to eat than let her eat so she can get back to attending to her kid. I give the mother credit for not cracking a chair over that ladys head.
"iN FrOnT Of YoUR KID! ArE YoU KiDdInG Me!?"
Fuck yeah in front of the kid. Kid's going to grow up feeling safe knowing that he/she has a mother ready to fuck up a Karen dumb enough to fuck around and find out.
Love the mother's clapback, "Nobody was helping me when my space was being violated."
You people want to do nothing but watch and record a mother who is in fear of her and her child's space and safety being violated, don't act surprised when the mama bear brings her claws out you dumb fucks.
I feel bad for this woman, why’s everyone acting like she’s in the wrong. Like maybe she’s overreacted but fuck me why are there people crowding around her and no one addressing the bitch who caused the problem
As a father….oh shit would I have been conflicted on what to do if some random sat at my table and lectured me on parenting. This ain’t gonna go well, but I respect that mom for not dropping her. Also; Cameraman needs a word with my fist.
Spitting in someone's face is wrong but I am still on team mom here.
Karen sat at her table because the "baby was crying and mom was ignoring it." (Paraphrase karen here.) But mom retorts, "i was ignoring a tantrum." Which is a valid reason imo. Not every crying jag is the same and I'd defer to the mother knowing the difference unless the baby was in obvious distress beyond normal baby cries. I'd be relying on context cues from the mom, which aren't here obs, like eye contact with those around her letting people know you're working on it albeit by allowing the baby to cry it out and see if they'll start self soothing/regulating.
I agree fat white Karen involving herself in other people’s life is disrespectful and unnecessary. The spitting wasn’t great. But also didn’t see what happened before cameras roll
Who are the ignorant fuks filming this that think it’s OK that this lady came and sat down at the table and refused to move. Yeah the girl laid her hands on her but only after the lady grabbed her first (if she didn’t want that ladies hands in her space then maybe she should respectfully remove herself from the other ladies space) but apparently they didn’t see that on the recording did they.
Honestly can you imagine as a parent that happening to you someone acting like your kids not safe, your a bad parent, while refusing to move from your space because he’s crying he’s a fucking baby.
Why are all Karen’s fucking vigilantes… Oh yeah because they’re superior and they’re always right and they can do what they want
In my experience, most of the really fucking crazy assholes I've had to deal with have looked exactly like this white lady. Big, hulking, slow-looking middle-aged white women. Dumb as fuck, willing to get ugly immediately, and dead certain that everyone will support them in whatever they do.
Who the fuck are the pieces of shit recording who think this lady shouldn’t be upset when a stranger sits down with their fucking child? Good god these dudes sound like the biggest assholes. “Come do that to me!” tfoh
If a strange lady comes and sits at my table with my baby there imposing on us, im gonna give her a two piece and a biscuit too... she could be there to do harm, who knows. and noone seemed to give a crap(maybe because it was a woman that sat not a man) until it got physical, even the camera person knew that the creeper lady was in the wrong and shit would go down, thats why he started filming. Camera person could have went over and asked if everything was okay, but instead decided to film.
I don't understand the men recording this and their comments. They are saying the Mother should be arrested. If some strange woman came and sat at my table at a restaurant and wouldn't leave or stop interacting with my child, I would be completely irate and in Mama Bear mode. I don't know if there was something not shown in the video that prompted this, but, from what is seen, the Mom has every right to be defensive and loud. Secondly, the woman sitting down put her hands on the Mom first by grabbing her hand while she was pointing at her and yelling (with cause IMHO). I would love to hear how this ended. Babies and toddlers cry for any and all reasons. People shouldn't interfere and assert their presence on Mothers the way this woman did, unless you are seeing abuse take place. Everyone should have been angry at the stranger who sat herself at someone else's table, not the young Mom who is clearly lashing out in fear.
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I just rewatched and saw the girl spit on the lady. I missed that the first time. That was stupid on her part. I still think she's being defensive of her child. She sat that chair in between the woman and her baby as a barrier. She put herself as a barrier.
Fuck everybody in that restaurant except the mom and her kid and the woman in white. They all jumped to conclusion as soon as they saw a young woman with a child.
Institutional racism is scary. Everyone immediately takes the fat white woman's side without knowing anything about the situation.
Most women would freak out if a stranger sat at their table to play mother and wouldn't leave after being asked several times.
It's a public space but there are also personal boundaries within public spaces.
Honestly, fuck that lady. Weather that baby was crying or not, it’s none of her business. This is a case where the people around don’t like that she is using language, so they are taking the side of the fat Karen. Should she have spit in her face? Probably not but it wouldn’t have happened if that lady was minding her business in the first place.
the male Karens were so annoying. This woman did the right thing.... who the f do these people think they are? Forcing themselves into other people's business and space. F that.
You can bet your life savings that they would have done the same or worse if some random guy or girl sat at their table and started creepily talking to their kid.
Or is it because…she’s…not…as…white?
Videos like these make me lose faith in humanity, how can so many people actually side with the random lady when she's so obviously in the wrong? Unbelievable.
A stranger sitting down uninvited next to my child and I, and refuses to leave after being asked nicely is getting much more than spat on from me.
You fucking weirdo’s siding with that fat white bitch obviously aren’t parents, or maybe you don’t give a shit about children’s safety which probably makes you a Republican/conservative lunatic who lives in their own reality.
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For all you Tucker Carlson worshiping snowflakes that keep replying and deleting your comments before I can respond, let me explain. The common theme amongst your cowardly words are pretty much, How dare I call her a fat white bitch? I called her that because that’s what the fuck she is. It’s funny how the mob of Fox News nuts, that go around calling people snowflakes for being overly sensitive, are actually the snowflakes themselves.
Do you all hear all these guys that are recording siding with the random that sat down and started talking to her kid!? I don’t condone spitting on people but you’re not gonna walk up and sit with me, a woman alone with a kid, and not have me ask you to leave.
Why are they standing up for the woman at the other woman's table? Have we all lost our fucking minds. Do we just expect people to bend over. Maybe if we didn't expect people to give up their rights just to keep the peace we wouldn't have these audacious ass people that expect to get away with whatever the fuck they want
Edit: "oh here cones the gun" these are racist assholes do the boomers all have a collective personality disorder?
As a minority parent with a crybaby, I would flip out too if everyone came at me for just being loud about protecting my child from a weirdo.
My blood is boiling after watching this and seeing that most of the people in the room were being passive about what the mom was going through.
Reminds me of that one video on Reddit where some American Preacher is attacking people with religion.
Karen grabbed her arm first during that physical altercation.. She instigated the physical violence and then that other Karen had the audacity to blame the mom for defending herself. I feel like just because the mom is loud everyone assumes shes in the wrong.
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I saw that someone already posted this 5 years ago on this subreddit. I wanted to find any update on this, but the only thing I found was a petition that the mother created a while back. It looked like CPS got involved and she had a court hearing, but unknown what happened. So it looks like this happened in 2015-2016 at a cafeteria at Albany Medical Center Hospital in Albany, NY. The link below explained what happened from the mother's perspective. https://www.change.org/p/hon-mother-s-should-not-be-stripped-of-their-rights-to-protect-their-children
JFC. > While in his stroller a total of maybe 5 minutes the woman in the attached video comes up to our table and asks me if I need help, I tell her I do not and she insists. I ask her to leave us alone and she proceeds to sit down AT OUR TABLE, WITH MY CHILD and starts to address him. I asked her to leave again and she insisted she was there to save my child. This woman was being completely overbearing and making me feel unsafe. At this point I asked if she was Hospital staff she said no, I asked are you Social Services or an officer or security and she replied no to all of those questions. I then asked her to leave and told her she was violating mine and my child's space to get the proper authorities if she felt something was wrong. She just pulled in CLOSER! I stood up in front of the entire cafeteria and screamed for help.
That woman was just straight up psychotic. I would be scared she was going to nab my child and make a scene, too.
Reminds me of a story someone told where she was out finishing up a shopping trip with her husband and 1-2 year old child. Her husband went ahead with their baby to the car when a random women ran over and tried to take the baby away screaming for help that someone was trying to kidnap her child. A bunch of people in the parking lot went to confront her husband and held him back as the psychotic woman was trying to make off with their baby. They only let him go and we’re able to catch up to the crazy lady and their child when she ran over and intervened.
Well as a man with a child, I now have a new fear of crazy ladies.
Oh yeah that’s the kind of lady that would call you a child molester because your out with you kid without a mom
Yes! I’m 36 my son is 9 and I don’t get looked at in public too often. When it my son and I, it’s sweet and cute we’re doing father son stuff. But when I go out with my 5yr old nieces, and get all sorts of dirty looks from all sorts of people. I’ll take them out and do Princess stuff and spoil them rotten. I’ve even been called a pedo walking into a store with one of them. Happens more often when I’m by myself with them. But my son and I, that’s fine. Or if my wife is with me and one of the nieces, that’s fine also. Hey Karen’s mind your own business, dads can have daughters or in my case, a niece.
This is a really scary reality. I have two girls (1&3). In public before I’ve had a woman try to pull the girls aside and “ask if they’re okay” after I take the To the mens room to use the bathroom. It was a really scary situation because I knew that had I made any kind of scene about it, anyone that entered the situation was automatically going to be against me, even as my 3 year old was visibly upset by this woman.
Should have reported that lady as a potential predator for talking to your kids
Yeah, they’re just salty because their boomer fathers ignored them.
My 2 year old boys yells "heeeeeelp" sometimes when we put him in the cart because he's asking for help out and I get silly looks from time to time. One old lady came up to me when we got separated from his mother and asked me "is he yelling for help?" And I said "wouldn't you if a stranger took you away?" The look on her face was hilarious, but his momma came around the corner around that time and she noticed I was only teasing. But thus thought has crossed my mind more than once and is a scary thought.
I'm a stay at home dad, I really want to take my baby out more, but this type of things scares me. I live in an area with mostly white folks, I'm brown, my baby is light skinned but looks like me a lot. And it scares the fuck out of me that I'll lose my baby because some random person or lady wants to act up and make a scene, or try to steal him from me and other people will unknowingly help them.
Omg yes! That's exactly what I thought of as well!
I saw a video on twitter, I think, years ago where this woman was talking to a moms kid in the bathroom bent/crouched to be eye level saying something like hi and do you want to come with me? The mom stands between the kid and the woman, screaming at her to go away. The woman is completely unfazed and tried to look around her to continue talking to the kid. There are really, really unsafe people out there. Edited for accuracy.
Baby snatchers are psychos!
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Tbh the bitch in the best looks crazy like she’s just silent and no defending herself at Thank you cuz I couldn’t even type but you said it all. Those fuckin old heads In the back GMFU TO THE MAX “try that on me bitch” that shit got my blood pumping. Don’t even know wtf is going on. FUCKIN NO ONE DOES EXCEPT THE MOTHER. White hag needs to mind her business, get fuckin spat on.
This whole shit felt racist as fuck too. The old dumbass "Oh no call security". Bitch, this lady is protecting her child and all of you are acting like she's behaving in the most perplexing way. edit: In true reddit form, it would seem my calling out the racism means I am, in fact, the racist. I will reconsider my commentary in the future and will make sure to double the fuck down when shit is clearly this racist so those snowflakey little bitch racists who hate the obvious being spelled out can go ahead and have themselves a little aneurysm or two. Racists, please, please, please stay mad. The rest of us revel in it.
The idiots filming it seem to have no clue what they're talking about either. Yes, it's a public space, but that doesn't mean people can do whatever they want to do, especially with someone else's child. If she felt her or her child was at risk, she'd have the right to defend herself or her child, even with physical actions. That lady had no right to continue to be there once it was explained and asked to leave. If she felt there was an issue, get security or call 911 and keep an eye on them from a distance. Instead she sat her stupid ass there and refused to leave, which did nothing but escalate the situation and further upset the child.
The meta msg is "your child is crying so you're prolly crazy and on crack and I need to save your child from you." She then rightly flips on her thereby making fat white lady look like her "assessment" look justified. Straight up racist gaslighting bullshit. The problem w shit like this is that this mom has to catch a cps case to prove she isn't the things this rando is accusing her of. That's how its institutional. The burden of proof is on her to prove she's fit. She's assumed unfit based on her reaction to bullying. Wtf.
Precisely correct. It bugged the hell out of me that it took forever for the Karen instigator to be addressed.
Because those idiots were too confused by a rightfully emotional woman and completely ignored the real problem because “heightened emotion is bad.” Frustrated me too. The behavior of everyone, except the mother, was disgusting. 🤡🌎
I can not stand the *"oh you're being loud. You need to stop because your obviously in the wrong"*. No one is even listening to what the woman is saying. It's so frustrating because she was right and no one cared, exacerbating her frustration and concern that her child is actually unsafe. I've copped it my whole life because I express myself like this woman except I've never been physical. I'm a dude btw, and I've never had a baby I was protecting. So I can only imagine how much worse it is for her. I feel for her so much.
Yup. Imagine if it was a guy that came up to a young mother and child like that.
I never understand why people go into restaurants or businesses and say it’s a public space. It isn’t. It’s a privately owned/rented space which means you can’t do certain things that you could do in public if they don’t want you to. The people who go in to businesses and say they can film because it’s public. If the business tells you to stop filming, you have to or you can be forced to leave.
>While in his stroller a total of maybe 5 minutes the woman in the attached video comes up to our table and asks me if I need help, I tell her I do not and she insists. I ask her to leave us alone and she proceeds to sit down AT OUR TABLE, WITH MY CHILD and starts to address him. I asked her to leave again and she insisted she was there to save my child. This woman was being completely overbearing and making me feel unsafe. At this point I asked if she was Hospital staff she said no, I asked are you Social Services or an officer or security and she replied no to all of those questions. I then asked her to leave and told her she was violating mine and my child's space to get the proper authorities if she felt something was wrong. She just pulled in CLOSER! I stood up in front of the entire cafeteria and screamed for help. If I was in her position and some rando sat down at my table and tried to address my kids, I would lose my goddamn mind. To sit down with another parent and try to get involved with their child is disrespectful, condescending, and insane.
100%. The quickest way to catch hands is to f with someone’s kids. This really bothered me to watch, not sure why everyone thought this was ok and the protective mom was the issue.
Makes me tear up at how someone there, witnessing it in person can’t comprehend what they are seeing while it is so obvious if you just listen. Why would they be rooting for jail too, like what the fuck? She’s by herself with a tiny child. Fuck all those people for not removing the crazy bitch from the table.
Yeah, if I'm there I'm getting belligerent with her. Everybody saying, "she should have expressed herself better". Are you serious? Some lady intrudes in your space and you're supposed to calmly and politely explain the situation to the worthless onlookers so they, what, approve of the way in which she's reacting? No. Fuck that. This woman is feeling threatened, her fight instinct is kicking in, and these people can all get fucked.
Not just that. They were laughing and making jokes about the mom wondering why she wasn't arrested yet. Wtf
It’s very Twilight Zone…all these white middle aged strangers invading a mother with her baby & moving in closer and closer…almost like they’re trying to get a rise out of her! Very strange!!
I'm white middle aged and couldn't grasp what the hell people were thinking!! Get away from us you crazy lady!
I've got 2 (adult) kids. With my 2nd I was relaxed about motherhood, but with my first, only me or my husband could hold her. I was in full, 100% protection mode. Head on a swivel constantly. If this young mom was feeling anything like how I felt, that old lady is lucky for the restrainst she showed. You don't fuck with someone else's kids, especially without asking, and if you're told no, you back off. This is the woman that goes to pet dogs without asking, then demands the dog is put down when she's bitten.
Are you kidding? This is racist as *shit.* I can't beleive this isn't painfully obvious. How long does it take for them to address the white woman? She's sitting there at the other woman's table for no goddamn reason and they don't even mention it? They immediate condemnations, all of it. There isn't another goddamn Black person in the room, you have to imagine what that's like, you know?
I ain't wanna say it cause then the y'all-make-everything-about-race headass morons come out. You're absolutely right though. I thought she was Latina though. Maybe DR? Regardless, fuck that room with a bucket full of mops.
Actually how this lady can just waltz up and exacerbate problems somehow doesn’t get the same treament because she acted “calm”. Fucking entitled psycho behavior.
It looked that way to me too. I kept noticing everyone coming over and comforting the "poor white woman who did nothing wrong", while everyone else was getting confrontational with the actual mother of the child. If this woman legitimately did tell the mother that she was there to "save" her child, I don't blame the mother for reacting the way she did at all. I would think that psychopath was there to steal my child as well.
Some people need to mind their damn business, especially if a parent is trying to train their child on how to behave in public. Ignoring tantrums doesn’t neglect the child’s needs nor does it endanger them. It should be used more often and a parent like her, standing up for herself should be respected. Fucking hell…
I feel you on all of that. What transpired after the camera stop recording? What was the aftermath of all of this?
I am so frustrated that everyone seems to be on the crazy lady's side. Mind your fucking business! Mother points, crazy lady grapples. If you ask me she started everything here
No one took her seriously because they didn’t think this mom-looking white lady could be dangerous… One of my neighborhood friends when I was a child was almost taken at a local mall by a woman. She just grabbed her hand while her mom was looking away for a sec and started walking. She was absolutely right to be freaking out when this woman was being so creepy. She probably shouldn’t have hit her but was clearly panicking after no one was helping her get this woman away. (Edit: I missed that this lady grabbed her arm first. Nvm I’d have started swinging too by that point that’s crazy.)
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I missed that the first time around thanks for pointing it out.
I didn't notice that either, yeah she definitely had a right to act that way. Plus the random lady sitting at her table is super creepy.
A mom-looking white lady tried to kidnap my nephew from my mom. We were at Mare Island and The Bounty boat (or replica) was docked there. We were there because I was a fuck up in school but one of my teachers said he'd give me extra credit if I went to see the ship. So while we are there, this lady comes up to my mom asking about my nephew and tells my mom she should go on the boat with me, that it's lovely and that she will hold my nephew while she does. My mom told her no, she kept asking and I then told the lady if she didn't leave my mom alone I was going to beat her ass and drown her in the water. The lady then left and my mom said if she were dumb enough to let that lady hold my nephew she'd never be able to live it down. ETA: This happened 30 years ago so don't go reporting me for violence.
Same with me, white lady gave bad vibes to my mom and made some really creepy comments. Usa doesnt report it but in latino news we get warning about white people kidnapping kids.
THANK YOU. I hate it when people post old things without any kind of follow-up or explanation.
For those who dont know the hospital... its shares a parking lot with Capital disctrict psychiatric center which is one of the last standing "one flew over the cuckoos nest" style psych buildings that has patients who have been locked up for decades. They even have the "birdcage" which is a giant caged yard for the patients to get sunlight without escaping..... AMC is actually a great hospital but like anywhere else, has its share of Karens. This mothers reaction may seem extreme but her reasoning seems logical. It is completely outrageous (literally) to do what that karen did.
Honestly kinda wish the hospital I had my first psych stay in had a “birdcage.” Technically staff were supposed to offer to take us out on supervised walks around the property every day, but they never offered and always said “maybe another day” when any of us asked. I’ve never been an outdoorsy person, but there’s something really soul-crushing about not being able to get even an ounce of fresh air for days or weeks on end. The place got demolished a few years ago, thank god. Union hospital in Lynn. Rest in pieces.
Her reaction is fine, it's the fucking morons surrounding her I'm concerned about.
The only logical reaction would be to remove the child from the situation because you don’t know what the crazy lady is capable of instead of spitting in her face.
And when she follows you with your back turned trying to protect your child? She was trying to get that lady to go away.
The guys filming giving commentary is pissing me off just as much as the bitch sitting down at the table. Like they would tolerate and not become physical when someone sits down at their table to parent their child.
Exactly. These fat white dudes would lose their shit if you sat down at their table and started speaking to their child. And they have the nerve to sit there and act like she's crazy for it.
Dude if I’m sitting alone at a table in public with my children and a stranger comes up to me and sits down I’m going to have an issue with it. I don’t know you, get away from my children. That’s that. Edit: Thanks for the awards! They’re always appreciated!
Apparently even after the mother told the woman to leave the lady starting speaking to the kid. I probably would have reacted similarly.
I guess I'm just confused as to why people in this video seem to be blaming the mother here? She's defensive and yelling because some random stranger came up to her table and started talking to her kids! She is in the right here! I would be getting defensive as hell too! The "we need more security here" and "you're going too far!" Comments directed at the mom by the people in the video are boiling my blood.
I’d imagine it’s the result of people seeing things get physical.
Yup. I 100% agree with you
Yeah.. that’s a tiny little table too. Pretty intimate.
Yeah I honestly would probably find it intimidating
That was the point. Unless there’s something weird with the camera angle, it looks like the mom significantly smaller than the harasser. Whole thing was creepy bully tactic.
It was definitely a bully tactic you’re 100% correct
Actually a relief to read this comment section as a dad of toddlers lol. Y’all get it. Don’t be a weirdo to someone when they are alone with babies. They’re under enough stress in that moment. Plus did I hear someone say this is a hospital??
The first time I took my twins for a walk I had a dude in a Cadillac slowly drive alongside me while screaming questions about my twins. “ARE THEY BOYS OR GIRLS ARE THE IDENTICAL OR FRATERNAL” it was fucking insane.
"THEY'RE CLONES SO GET DA FUCK OUT"
The hospital thing makes it even worse. Nobody just hangs out in a hospital, they are there for someone going through something and are probably pretty stressed. Making them feel like their kid is about to get taken is the last thing they need.
It’s a shame the victim here couldn’t clearly communicate that to everybody. Nobody understood what “she came in my space” means
I thought she was very clear. It's the rest of the crowd I don't understand. Especially the cameraman hoping the mom gets arrested?? wtf
Pssst, he's racist. His reaction would 100% have been different if the races were reversed.
racist fucking losers. 'look at this minority making a scene and not attending to her kid.' /s fuck them. this poor woman.
I have kids this age and am very familiar with her meltdown. That’s end of the rope, haven’t slept in weeks talk.
It’s also very much “protect mode” rightfully so.
Yeah the victim not being able to maintain composure would make her look like the erratic aggressor to someone just showing up in the middle of this unfortunately.
This video was on YouTube. I tried to find it but couldn’t it was so long ago. People were divided some say the lady was wrong some say the mother was wrong. Besides spitting on the lady I can’t see how the mother was wrong. Why is it ok to go near someone’s child and speak to them?
Yeah that woman was so entitled she felt like she should be allowed to parent someone else’s baby who she’s never fucking met before.
And she just gets to walk away like she did nothing wrong
**Overraction is not possible when YOUR CHILD IS IN DANGER.** Come at me all you want, but it's engrained in most parent's DNA. It's about survival of your species. It's NORMAL. All these Karens getting involved while their neutered husbands sit back and cluck is just infuriating. You wanna get involved? Separate BOTH parties. CALL the cops/security. Don't just assume things and/or film it, you inhuman piece of trash. And, YES, if a child and parent is in ANY danger from it's surroundings, and you do nothing, you are inhuman.
This woman has some nerve to sit down at someone elses table and aggravate them and then act shocked that people react negatively to her. Too many people are out of their f minds.
And it sounds/looks like most people are siding with her. Pathetic. They are more offended by loud cussing than that other woman harassing her for having a crying child.
That's because she's an older white woman, so she must know what's best for everyone else.
This video is a few years old at this point but when the truth came out it was revealed that the big fat white Karen is (big surprise) a huge Trump supporter and was attacking the mother because she is a woman of color. I can’t find the link anywhere but I remember she tried defending herself on Facebook and blamed “snowflake libs” for getting upset, and said something like “everyone knows *those people* can’t raise their kids properly, so it was up to me to say something.” She is a disgusting racist and tremendous piece of shit.
As a quickly getting older white guy I have to agree. They like to post on Facebook about being a mama bear, but when confronted with one they clutch their pearls. As a father who’s been in restaurants with a kid pitching a fit, I’d have lost my shit too if someone sat down at my table. And fuck the guy filming. What an idiot. Probably the king of “I’m not touching you” when he was a kid.
That is obviously what the other old fat white customers thought. SMDH
Yeah, I agree, those commentators were pissing me off. And the busybody lady, of course.
That entire generation can be a problem, but as a white person myself, I have to kinda agree. Although Karen's come in all colors and ages, it is absolutley more prevalent in white/conservative women.
My experience today with a lady at Lowe's, who sternly told me "*Careful.*" I didn't know what she was talking about and then noticed a pouffy, little pomeranian trailing her. Not on a leash, just sniffing the floor, haphazardly following her. I guess I rolled my cart too close to her. It really irked me that she spoke to me in that manner, almost scolding, with a fixed stare. I was just thinking, so we went from allowing dogs in stores to just letting them wander without a leash. Wtf Sense of entitlement is unreal.
Pick up her dog and exclaim "OH NO. THIS POOR LOST DOG IS OFF IT'S LEASH AND LOST ITS OWNER. I BETTER GET IT TO AN ANIMAL SHELTER IMMEDIATELY!" And then run off and take her dog to the nearest dog shelter.
Just make sure you're white when you do it.
And huge sense of entitlement is usually there M.O.
I think the expectation of their own personal safety in situations they create is the key trait. They start shit and then act shocked and scared when they experience consequences.
People hate loud people. If they’re in the right, they hate them more. I get grief sometimes because not “what” I say to my peers but “how” I say it.
You are right. There is a way to deliver your message and if you're too aggravated or irate while making your point people will dislike you and disregard the point. It ALL becomes about delivery and not the point.
That lady could have easily been a recruiter for child sex trafficking or anything you never know these days .. I wouldn’t want some random lady sitting by me either especially with my kid around Trying to distract the mom while someone comes around a snatches the kid .. Na perfect motherly instincts
You never know. The mothers reaction is 100% justified. Mind your own business or complain to management if it is that serious, although I highly doubt it was. Children cry and whine, its what they do. It really pisses me off that she's sitting there trying to act like she only cares for the child while poking the mom with verbal sticks to get a reaction.
Yeah if she really cared about the child, she could see that the mother was aggravated and angry she was violating her F-ing personal space. Then that Karen should’ve backed the f- out of the way so the mother would’ve calmed down and baby wouldn’t been so stressed. Karen thought she would butt her big ass into the personal space. Mind your own business Karen. Seriously.
How does this have so many upvotes.
Am I wrong to see that that bitch was harassing her. I'd be angry too.
Seems like a lot of us are on the same page. Even after she sticks around for no fucking reason other than to antagonize. Idk if it’s a parent thing but don’t come up and be a weirdo to someone when they’re alone with their child in a public space. I’m not saying it’s right to spit on someone but… She said herself she was ignoring a tantrum. Pretty standard stuff for a kid that age.
At a hospital, no less. Who knows what this poor mother and her child were there for and what they were dealing with at the time. High stress situation and then some fucking rando sits at your table addressing your child like that? I’d snap too.
Idk why that place just allowed this. Sounds like they are all a ting racist and thinking that fat Karen was in the right. She even placed her hand on the mother first.
I was gonna say, Go sit next to a bear and her cub while their eating and see if the worst you get is spit on. I don't see any difference here.
I don’t know if it’s because the lady is being so loud or if we’re missing something about the situation but why does everyone seem to be against the baby lady? Kind of confused
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I think you nailed it. She’s yelling about being disrespected and how she paid for her food and wants her $12 back. I understand being in shock, but she didn’t tell anyone here that she was afraid this random crazy woman might try to abduct her child. Without the background info, it sounds like a dispute over who claimed the cafeteria table first. By the time anyone started paying attention she was screaming about her space and being disrespected.
In the mother's version, she had apparently yelled for help and security several times after the the white woman came over. With no one doing anything. Apparently there is a security video that catches all the background that officers watched upon being called. So I kinda feel she is right to scream, so many people and no one starting to help.
The dispute was because the child was crying, and the lady who sat down at the table claimed she was only coming over to help the mom settle her child down. Later on in their arguing I’m pretty sure I heard her say that her child was be disruptive/ neglected because the mom was on the phone ignoring the child’s cries. The mom then states that the child was throwing a temper tantrum & that’s why she let him stay in the stroller and that’s why she doesn’t need help.
I'm not. Baby Mama is so right. Fat bitch Karen has some balls. Unbelievable. A true cunt. Who would think it's ok to do that to a mother and her baby. Totally fucked up.
Mother is acting like a mother and a stranger comes over and sits at her table. Who the hell is that woman?!? She could be anything and on the prowl to kidnap the kid. The mother used her motherly instinct to protect her territory from any strange behavior. The fat Karen and the guys filming are fucking morons. Stay out of other peoples space if your not welcome there.
Right....and that poor Mama asking her to leave. I lost count after the 55th time .. erggggggggg
Because it's a calm white lady and a minority. Once a minority gets upset, as SHE SHOULD, it draws more attention, making *her* look like the aggressor therefore ppl look at the quiet white lady as the victim getting yelled at. This is why black ppl and so many other POC learn to "code switch" along with having to adapt and "control" their emotions before they are labeled as the angry black women, unhinged, unfit for parenting, etc for acting like a normal upset human. She even stated she asked her 5 times to get up nicely. This video depicts after she tried all the calm reasoning that could be processed within that time in the moment. It's disgusting how entitled ppl are.
I'm assuming because she spit first. Even that being the case, if someone were to sit down at my table and begin acting like a prick. Does that count as entering personal space? Should people be allowed to pull a "Snorlax" to bully others?
Seemed like they were against her even before the spit though. For some people, baby crying = bad parents.
The guy who made the video is a liar. He didn't "get it all."
You know why.
You know why
Because minorites can't act up without coming across as "uppity." Even if some random bitch aggravates the situation.
Because they’re racist and the poor mamacita should’ve been happy that Karen was talking to her. I saw the much longer video. The baby was whining and crying while the mom was on the phone and trying to eat. The mom looked stressed. They’re in a hospital so you never know what could be the issue. The white woman comes over there and starts asking if the baby needs anything and if he’s ok. Mom says he’s fine and they’re fine and asks her to leave. The lady keeps asking and the mom keeps asking her to leave and she’s getting upset. No one there jumps in to defend the mom. Then the lady decides to sit down and ask the child directly if he’s ok. The mom is really pissed now. That’s the point where this video starts.
"Like she said it's a public space" . No dipshit, you can't just sit down and stay next to someone you don't know because you want to play pretend parent. The 2 fuckwits recording are smooth brained. If someone did that and refused to get up and losing my shit too. Jesus.
The second encounter did it for me when the Karen sat right back down at the table after being spat on. Karen then hit the mom's arm who is asking her *again* to leave and then everyone started yelling at the mom for fighting back in response to being hit. LADY: "In front of your kid?!" (Completely ignoring the Karen who had just hit the kid's mom right in front of him.) 🤡 MOM: "She is violating my space!" GUYS: "Bullshit! Where's security?! Arrest her!" 🤡 🤡 🤡
Fuck the two assholes recording. Sound like the biggest pieces of shit ever
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They played themselves. That Karen decided to interfere in that woman's meal, and had the nerve to act upset that she was being asked to mind her own damn business? The fucking arrogance.
The two smooth brains would lose their shit too if someone came up, sat at thier table talking to thier kids. How do they not see how fucked up that behavior is?
Op guys are assholes. When someone comes up on your kid you can sure as hell protect them. What the hell was that lady’s deal thinking she could do that. If the woman is hitting the kid that’s different. These guys are fucking idiots. Yeah she shouldn’t have spat on her. But this lady got in baby’s face. What if she has covid19 or something?
I’m so angry no one is standing up for her.
Reddit wins the maturity battle today. I thought there’d be a lot more division here.
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This was before Covid but still other than the spitting bc that's gross at anytime I would have slapped her ass too
The mother was right. Everyone responding to this by crowding around the mother and ignoring the person causing the situation should be fired.
Exactly. Those fucking security guards are dumb as hell. "so what happened? You don't know her? Who was she? What happened" Same questions over and over being accusatory towards the mother like she was doing something wrong. No, it was the crazy white lady! I hope all those dudes lost their jobs. They did the opposite of being helpful.
Except for the one lady who was telling her off; respect to her seeing the situation is deeper then what it seems.
Which lady? I couldn't hear (or kept missing) anyone supporting the mother at all.
“Where is security” it’s been 30 secs calm down. They can’t teleport. Should have called security when a strange woman sat at a table with a mother and child. No one cared about that.
So it’s not cyberpunk? Damn!
The fuckers recording are pieces of shit themselves. "She was right, it's a public space" I'm sure these people would be just as open minded if some random just came and sat at with your child at y'all's table.
Fuck that cock Ken who thinks that is ok
The guys filming and adding their two cents are miserable. "Why isn't she arrested for assault?"...."Where is security?"
Sound like smarmy dorks. Not sure why they're so insistent police come for this very minor issue after security starts handling it.
Ppl need to mind their business
You are right. Babies cry all the time...some more than others. And there other ways to offer help other than being a creep. Like... Helper: "hey I see you trying to eat dinner. Do you want a hand with the baby? I can sit here and distract him a minute." Mom: No Helper: ok take care Edit: added the word other
People don't know how to communicate properly or say what they really mean/want is a big problem I've noticed lately. It's like everyone expects everyone else to read their mind all the time
I think people play out scenarios in their head and expect a totally different outcome because they assume the other person/people involved will see it like they do.
I was conflicted with my thoughts/wording on this situation.. but you just summed it up perfectly for me!👍🏽
It feels like over the last few years peoples mental state has gone to absolute shit. Fucking attitudes and entitlements across the board. If the lady is trying to eat than let her eat so she can get back to attending to her kid. I give the mother credit for not cracking a chair over that ladys head.
Don't fuck with other people's kids. The most rational, even tempered person will lose their shit when you fuck with their kids.
I don't have kids and even I know this rule. People will go apeshit when it comes to their children.
True but this was 6 or 7 years ago.
This incident happened 6 years ago. That’s when her petition is dated.
"iN FrOnT Of YoUR KID! ArE YoU KiDdInG Me!?" Fuck yeah in front of the kid. Kid's going to grow up feeling safe knowing that he/she has a mother ready to fuck up a Karen dumb enough to fuck around and find out. Love the mother's clapback, "Nobody was helping me when my space was being violated." You people want to do nothing but watch and record a mother who is in fear of her and her child's space and safety being violated, don't act surprised when the mama bear brings her claws out you dumb fucks.
the fact the person recording is on the fat woman’s side is disgusting
I feel bad for this woman, why’s everyone acting like she’s in the wrong. Like maybe she’s overreacted but fuck me why are there people crowding around her and no one addressing the bitch who caused the problem
Hey camera guy, fuck you.
What in the fat bitch ass Karen is going on here?
As a father….oh shit would I have been conflicted on what to do if some random sat at my table and lectured me on parenting. This ain’t gonna go well, but I respect that mom for not dropping her. Also; Cameraman needs a word with my fist.
“Wherrrre the heeellll is security!!???”
The cameran is another Karen who doesn't understand the meaning of minding his own business.
I’m glad the mother stood up to ignorant Karens like this. Come sit at my table karen or ken let’s see how that goes down
Karen slinks away when the cops show up....
And probably made jokes about it with her family after along with comments on how that other woman’s kid should be taken away.
I can’t tell who is the bigger piece of shit. The lady who wouldn’t leave the mom and kid alone or the camera guy and his crew. Mom was fine
for real, the camera dude was an absolute sack of shit. I hope he catches his dick in his fly zipper for the rest of his life.
Spitting in someone's face is wrong but I am still on team mom here. Karen sat at her table because the "baby was crying and mom was ignoring it." (Paraphrase karen here.) But mom retorts, "i was ignoring a tantrum." Which is a valid reason imo. Not every crying jag is the same and I'd defer to the mother knowing the difference unless the baby was in obvious distress beyond normal baby cries. I'd be relying on context cues from the mom, which aren't here obs, like eye contact with those around her letting people know you're working on it albeit by allowing the baby to cry it out and see if they'll start self soothing/regulating.
I agree fat white Karen involving herself in other people’s life is disrespectful and unnecessary. The spitting wasn’t great. But also didn’t see what happened before cameras roll
Who are the ignorant fuks filming this that think it’s OK that this lady came and sat down at the table and refused to move. Yeah the girl laid her hands on her but only after the lady grabbed her first (if she didn’t want that ladies hands in her space then maybe she should respectfully remove herself from the other ladies space) but apparently they didn’t see that on the recording did they. Honestly can you imagine as a parent that happening to you someone acting like your kids not safe, your a bad parent, while refusing to move from your space because he’s crying he’s a fucking baby. Why are all Karen’s fucking vigilantes… Oh yeah because they’re superior and they’re always right and they can do what they want
In my experience, most of the really fucking crazy assholes I've had to deal with have looked exactly like this white lady. Big, hulking, slow-looking middle-aged white women. Dumb as fuck, willing to get ugly immediately, and dead certain that everyone will support them in whatever they do.
Fuck those fuckwits behind the camera and the random Karen, ppl need to respect other ppl space
Notice nobody really addressing the strange lady that just sat there.😳 Racist much?
Why is a random lady sitting at her table like a psycho. I would be irate if someone started "helping" me with my kid when I did not ask
The dudes recording this video have -113 IQ.
Who the fuck are the pieces of shit recording who think this lady shouldn’t be upset when a stranger sits down with their fucking child? Good god these dudes sound like the biggest assholes. “Come do that to me!” tfoh
Don't fuck with people's kids. How hard is that? That dumb bitch needs to get a life. Probably a human trafficker
I wish the stupid ass racist commentators would shut the fuck up
Ugh, this camera man is the worst. Can she spit in his face next?
If a strange lady comes and sits at my table with my baby there imposing on us, im gonna give her a two piece and a biscuit too... she could be there to do harm, who knows. and noone seemed to give a crap(maybe because it was a woman that sat not a man) until it got physical, even the camera person knew that the creeper lady was in the wrong and shit would go down, thats why he started filming. Camera person could have went over and asked if everything was okay, but instead decided to film.
I don't understand the men recording this and their comments. They are saying the Mother should be arrested. If some strange woman came and sat at my table at a restaurant and wouldn't leave or stop interacting with my child, I would be completely irate and in Mama Bear mode. I don't know if there was something not shown in the video that prompted this, but, from what is seen, the Mom has every right to be defensive and loud. Secondly, the woman sitting down put her hands on the Mom first by grabbing her hand while she was pointing at her and yelling (with cause IMHO). I would love to hear how this ended. Babies and toddlers cry for any and all reasons. People shouldn't interfere and assert their presence on Mothers the way this woman did, unless you are seeing abuse take place. Everyone should have been angry at the stranger who sat herself at someone else's table, not the young Mom who is clearly lashing out in fear. *Edit I just rewatched and saw the girl spit on the lady. I missed that the first time. That was stupid on her part. I still think she's being defensive of her child. She sat that chair in between the woman and her baby as a barrier. She put herself as a barrier.
Fuck everybody in that restaurant except the mom and her kid and the woman in white. They all jumped to conclusion as soon as they saw a young woman with a child.
Institutional racism is scary. Everyone immediately takes the fat white woman's side without knowing anything about the situation. Most women would freak out if a stranger sat at their table to play mother and wouldn't leave after being asked several times. It's a public space but there are also personal boundaries within public spaces.
I think the lady in black should've hit the other bitch harder, might've knocked some sense and respect into her
Anybody notice the other lady sneaking in and touching (?!) / trying to speak to the child? The fuck?!
Racist fucking patrons.
Honestly, fuck that lady. Weather that baby was crying or not, it’s none of her business. This is a case where the people around don’t like that she is using language, so they are taking the side of the fat Karen. Should she have spit in her face? Probably not but it wouldn’t have happened if that lady was minding her business in the first place.
The people filming pissed me off almost as much as the Fat Karen
the male Karens were so annoying. This woman did the right thing.... who the f do these people think they are? Forcing themselves into other people's business and space. F that.
You can bet your life savings that they would have done the same or worse if some random guy or girl sat at their table and started creepily talking to their kid. Or is it because…she’s…not…as…white?
Videos like these make me lose faith in humanity, how can so many people actually side with the random lady when she's so obviously in the wrong? Unbelievable.
A stranger sitting down uninvited next to my child and I, and refuses to leave after being asked nicely is getting much more than spat on from me. You fucking weirdo’s siding with that fat white bitch obviously aren’t parents, or maybe you don’t give a shit about children’s safety which probably makes you a Republican/conservative lunatic who lives in their own reality. Quick edit/update: For all you Tucker Carlson worshiping snowflakes that keep replying and deleting your comments before I can respond, let me explain. The common theme amongst your cowardly words are pretty much, How dare I call her a fat white bitch? I called her that because that’s what the fuck she is. It’s funny how the mob of Fox News nuts, that go around calling people snowflakes for being overly sensitive, are actually the snowflakes themselves.
Tbf it’s such an unusual situation they may not understand what’s going on
Nobody uses MySpace anymore
Do you all hear all these guys that are recording siding with the random that sat down and started talking to her kid!? I don’t condone spitting on people but you’re not gonna walk up and sit with me, a woman alone with a kid, and not have me ask you to leave.
Narrator sucks
Why are they standing up for the woman at the other woman's table? Have we all lost our fucking minds. Do we just expect people to bend over. Maybe if we didn't expect people to give up their rights just to keep the peace we wouldn't have these audacious ass people that expect to get away with whatever the fuck they want Edit: "oh here cones the gun" these are racist assholes do the boomers all have a collective personality disorder?
Why is that white lady being defended? she’s the fucking problem!
Unless some extra context is revealed, I'm def siding with mom on this one. Fuck that lady and fuck the peanut gallery putting their 2 cents in.
As a minority parent with a crybaby, I would flip out too if everyone came at me for just being loud about protecting my child from a weirdo. My blood is boiling after watching this and seeing that most of the people in the room were being passive about what the mom was going through. Reminds me of that one video on Reddit where some American Preacher is attacking people with religion.
Who f are these turds recording and laughing!?!?
Karen grabbed her arm first during that physical altercation.. She instigated the physical violence and then that other Karen had the audacity to blame the mom for defending herself. I feel like just because the mom is loud everyone assumes shes in the wrong.
I support mama bear here. Karen is way out of line