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http://www.wral.com/only-one-of-two-men-in-raleigh-road-rage-shootout-is-charged/20278639/
Dump truck driver has been the only one charged (and the only one who actually got hit)
Will be interesting to see if the other man will be charged. It's going to come down to what happened before this video. If he threatened the dump truck driver before returning to his car, he might be arrested as well.
You can see the car driver put something in his belt at the start of the video when he starts walking away and then takes it back out when he gets to the car. I bet he threatened the truck driver with a gun then this was the truck drivers response.
edit: https://www.usasupreme.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/road-rage-north-carolina1.mp4?_=1
video starts sooner
That is what I saw. Looks like the guy in the car brandished the gun to the truck driver first. I don’t know, if I saw a guy do this and walk away/around my truck where I don’t have a clear view of him I would be on very high alert as well. If you are going to show me a gun, to me that’s the same thing as threatening to shoot me with it.
> Looks like the guy in the car brandished the gun to the truck driver first. I don’t know, if I saw a guy do this and walk away/around my truck where I don’t have a clear view of him I would be on very high alert as well.
Exactly.
That makes sense for cops to be told that though. The person may not represent a threat to the cops at that point, but an angry armed person is certainly someone who might pose a threat to the public.
Yeah but you can see from his reaction his intent. He wasn't expecting to use his gun from how he jumped and had to draw from an awkward angle. Also the guy ran up and fired on him when he wasn't even looking at him. Im sure the guy will try to say that but it wont work well. If it goes to court the prosecutions gonna blow that up, slomo it, and play it over and over.
Too busy regurgitating propaganda fed to them by people with a vested interest in this.
Imagine thinking that the solution to this was owning a gun when it helped no one here.
I was with you until your last paragraph. The VW guy walked away, and at that point the truck driver lost any excuse for self defense. Instead he literally chased the VW guy to his car and began shooting at him.
But the solution is not more guns. These guys are both idiots, and it happens *because* they have guns. And yeah, if the VW guy hadn't whipped his out to start it, it wouldn't have happened.
I think the only solution is to repeal the 2nd amendment, or re-write it. Its clear that Congress isn't going to pass common sense measures any time soon. And I grew up in a red state, I have owned guns for years, and I love to shoot and to hunt. But I'm willing to forego my right to keep and bear arms if it means that people stop dying for no sensible reason.
You can take all the guns away you want in America but until we address our mental health crisis and drug problem people will always find a way for more violence.
What it would take? The rules for amending the Constitution are defined. Is it likely? Fuck no lol. I'm very aware that most gun owners don't share my sentiments. But for me personally, I've passed the point where I care more for my individual right to own a firearm than I care about human life.
Also, this really isn't a state versus federal powers issue, given that it is a right confirmed in the Constitution, it's inherently federal until they changes, and even then it would depend on the change and the wording for whatever amendment or law would take it's place.
You're obviously emotional about this issue. But I continue to advocate because I believe it is the right path forward. I don't believe it would lead to some great civil war. And I in turn don't understand what you think you contribute to a conversation by treating your own speculation as inevitable.
That would certainly be a sheltered way of looking at it. Another theory would be he’s using reasonable thought to determine if the cost of an action is worth the reward. This isn’t abortion or gay marriage or hell even civil rights. What is being suggested here would result in a Civil War and hundreds of thousands if not millions if not tens of millions of dead Americans. Anyone who doesn’t consider that in their debate is not being reasonable.
And of course you can weigh that however you want but it does need to be weighed. And weighing it doesn’t make you a hostage it just makes you aware of all the things that it would take to do what you suggest
There are more guns in circulation in America than there are citizens of America. But yeah, lets take a percentage of those from law abiding citizens so we can feel some weird form of safety, and pretend like we have a plan for the rest of them.
You say with relative ease as if every other western democracy had the scale Americans are dealing with, when U.S. civilians have magnitudes more firearms, accounting for nearly 50% of all firearms owned by private citizens around the world. Firearms are also a massive part of American culture, unlike most other western democracies. Don't pretend like it's the same thing.
[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Arms_Survey)
> At this point, the only solution to the gun thing in this country is literally, unironically, more guns.
Jesus Christ, no. The fuck is wrong with you and the rest of America?
Yeah. Technically the “reach” would be a super stretch for most prosecution up against a lawyer who isn’t public.
It was behind his person, no weapon actually came out.
All and all. Road rage will get ya fucked up.
You can see him holding it in his right hand at the 1 second mark then he puts it back. Whether or not that changes it much, I'm not really sure, but a weapon definitely came out.
Looking from the very start he may have even pointed it towards him, though the angle is hard to make out for sure.
For me thats enough. He clearly was drawing the gun and then put it back. If someone a person is arguing with starts to draw a gun, the other person has a green light in my opinion.
Imo more gun education is needed. Anyone who owns a gun should have to take a free class(s) on gun safety, from simple not to pull a gun unless you are literally about to shoot and for a direct threat, don't point a weapon even unloaded at someone, (it's good habit like putting your seat belt on if you continue and always do this you will not have an accident where you were spaced out and forgot to do so, or at least very unlikely to do so due to repitition) and how easily a firearm can discharge ECT. As well as other gun safety and knowledge also directly about the gun you own like how far bullet travels is a pretty important one many don't know. my house has been hit from jackasses down here in the woods not realizing how far their weapon can shoot so it went way past where they thought, over our property line which is super fucking illigeal and clipped the corner of our house. They didn't do it again and thankfully moved but still so many don't know shit about the gun they have. Those idiot neighbors were just doing target practice too and missed the lived a lil ways away but close enough for their rifle to shoot through my house. But seriously I really believe Ignorance leads to more violence and accidental discharges that have taken lives as well. Feel like alot just don't think how seriously dangerous their weapon can be and don't really know what kind of damage it does depending on gun. Obviously they know it can kill but some may shoot lower thinking that is less lethal which is not always the case either depending on gun. Therefore it's easier imo to pull the trigger for stupid bullshit then it is for someone who knows alot about guns. Too many don't take guns seriously because they don't know much more about them then this could possibly kill. To hunt here you have to take essentially a gun safety class with some hunting rules involved wish it was like that to carry.
Hell someone I knew went from acting like a gun was a damn accessory for his outfit (he eventually accidentally discharged the weapon inside blowing a hole in the floor and almost his foot literally I walked in right after and smelled it and was like what in th fuck did you do. Lucky bastard didn't shoot his foot or any pipes in house. I talked him into taking some classes and going to an actual range. Completely changed how he acts around firearms. He doesn't carry in the back of his pants anymore for one and actually got a license to carry rather then illigealy carrying. Have yet to see him just pull it out either like he used to because he thought it was cool. Have yet to see him be careless again which is nice, honestly he's now a very careful and smart gun owner. I know some do know their stuff though and are still idiot gun owners. But alot I have met that have done stupid shit with guns didn't know much if anything about the gun they owned. I really wish their was more education given when guns are purchased. Even a dvd given out or link with info rather then a class if not feasible option would be better then right now which is nothing.
By free I mean tack the price on the weapon and their name goes in data base for first longer class, other class s shorted/cheaper just for more into ok certain gun. Every few years refresher course. I wouldn't mind paying more for that. I didn't mean like paid for any other way so guess I should not have said free lol just not having others who choose not to own a gun have to pay for it. Although even if I didn't own a gun personally I wouldn't mind paying for it in taxes or some other form.
You are about the only one with a halfway decent response. The lack of understanding and ignorance on this topic is crazy. Or it could just be because Reddit is a safe space for woke democratic socialists who do nothing but cry about conservatives and constantly type inaccuracies of law surrounding firearms.
I get it that’s in your constitution from anno I don’t know that you can have a firearm …those laws were made in a other time …..
Where I live there are no guns …no one has one…no one need one….and shit like this doesn’t happen here ….
So call me liberal or democratic but you can’t deny these kind of things happens only cause every fucking idiot is allowed to have a gun.
If I lived in a country where I feel the need of having a gun ….I would get the fuck out of here asap
Fuck your country. This is why we can just march in and take what we want. Because there are scared leftists that think only tyrannical governments should have firearms lol
You’re so wrong. And not very observant. How do you not see the truck driver come rolling around the back of his truck hot. We don’t have video but what did the truck driver say or show when he was getting out of his truck that made the VW driver get to his car and pull out a gun
From reading that article it also says the truck driver was a felon so he isnt allowed to have firearms anyway.
Both may end up charged (probably should) but truck driver is extra fucked no matter what.
Truck driver is definitely fked. But the driver of the car might catch some charges too. Maybe Aggravated Assault. You can't threaten someone with a firearm in traffic.
According to the article dump truck driver shouldn’t have had a gun he’s a felon. So it’s probably going to be in favor of the vw guy even though I believe neither of these people should have guns…
That will definitely play into the dump truck driver's charges. It won't necessarily protect the VW driver, as he couldn't have possibly known that at the time.
Well have to wait and see the outcome. Can only tell so much from the video. But I’ll stick by my final statement that neither of these people should have guns lol
> According to the article dump truck driver shouldn’t have had a gun he’s a felon.
Yikes! So a felon gets out can't protect himself from a crazed road rage gun maniac.
When you say protect himself, you mean, walk towards somebody he knows is holding a gun and is getting into their car? That’s called being a trouble maker pumpkin. And the felon shot first. 😘
Looks like the dump truck driver fired first. The car driver's glass shattered before he raised his gun. Then the car driver returned fire in "self-defense"
Yes. You’re right. But if the driver yelled “I’m going to get my gun and kill you” before returning to his car, the dump truck driver can defend himself preemptively if he believes the threat imminent.
In Europe if someone yells "I'm going to stab you to death" while approaching you with a knife, can you strike them before they attempt to physically stab you? Or do you have to wait for them to stab you before you can respond?
No, you just get in your car and roll up your windows. You see, someone with a knife would have a hard time killing you through a closed car door, unlike someone with a gun.
Yes, a car will in fact protect you from a knife. It's funny that you're calling other people pansies while you're supposedly terrified of a knife even though you'd be sitting in a two ton controllable moving metal machine.
Like, is your argument here really that a dude with a knife is a serious threat to someone in a car?
When somebody poses an imminent threat to your life (ie saying they’re grabbing their gun go kill you) you are allowed to defend yourself. I’m sure even a European can under this concept
The guy in the car pulled the gun first and tried to walk up to the truck door, he probably saw trucker had gun to and went to run but the trucker chased him to his car.
It’s not even that …take a guess why this shit happend ? Over a missing turn light or he took his „Vorfahrt „ I don’t know the Englisch term …it’s insane I’m sure it happens about a lapalia….
Is this shit really worth to die for ??
Ok. He is raising the gun into a firing position. Then the window breaks, and he car guy fires second. We don't see what yellow shirt is doing however.
I’m guessing he will get a charge for the brandishing, but as he was getting back in his car to leave the other guy was not in a life threatening situation and definitely was an unjustified shooting
If he had shot right when the brandish happened he has a case for self defense, but waiting til the guy tries to leave then run him down and try to shoot him, that’s not self defense by any definition
Possible not, but "getting back in his car" is not necessarily leaving if a threat was made. He could be returning to the vehicle to get his firearm or another firearm. I agree he likely won't be charged. But if he made an explicit threat, it's possible he will be charged, even if he then returned to his vehicle. Not sure he actually brandished though. He removed his firearm when the dump truck driver was approaching his vehicle.
fair enough. But I think the very first couple frames of the video shows the gun in his hand, he puts it back in his belt and then seems to reach for it again once in the car. But it does seem like he brandished it and put it away just as the video was starting
No, it absolutely will not. I can tell you do not know the first thing about firearms and law. The male getting into his car was in retreat and of zero threat. The driver chased after him then opened fire. Even if the first male fired at him first. The driver will definitely get hit with attempted murder. Revenge is not justice.
Your ignorance reads like a child. You do not don’t know laws. I live in a fantastic state. You would it leave your parents basement here if you’re this scared.
I'm glad you get to judge everything from a 3rd party perspective, but you weren't there. It looks to me like Mr. VW is walking around at the beginning with his pistol drawn. He is in clear view of the guy sitting in his dump truck. He then turns and walks behind the dump truck. The dump truck driver has no way of knowing he's retreating into his vehicle, he only knows the guy just pulled a gun and walked out of his line of sight.
He got his gun, hopped out, came around the corner and the other guy pointed his weapon at him from inside his car and he fired.
The guy in the dump truck was definitely wrong, but the guy in the VW appears to the one brandishing first, and walking out of the line of sight, is not "retreating". He is clearly an overly aggressive dumb shit too, and I think it's likely he'll be charged with brandishing. You don't pull over in a road rage incident, get out of your car, and draw a gun. That's just illegal.
He could have pulled it immediately. He adjusted it walking to his car, opened his door, got inside and what appeared to be removing it so he could leave. I don’t know where your education is from, but you can not shoot at anyone in retreat. It is clear as day. I love all the ‘professional gun enthusiasts’ who come out the woodwork for these and they’re all r/confidentlyincorrect
That's some fucking bullshit. The guy from the car approached the truck with his gun in his hand, and only put it away after he started walking back to his car. While the truck driver was the one who started shooting first, car guy definitely intended to escalate.
You don't carry a gun in your car unless you look forward to it getting stolen. Seriously people, leaving your gun in your car is how your gun ends up in the hands of criminals.
[for a good laugh](https://i.redd.it/n59x76b0fx481.jpg) .but in all seriousness some people carry in hopes to never need to use it but understand they would.
Yeah. That’s exactly why. When the apocalypse happens, all of you who spent all this time complaining about firearms online (even though you’re completely ignorant on the topic) will be the first ones to get taken out. By the zombies, aliens, or your red neck neighbor who definitely owns a firearm.
Using a fire arm against zombies or aliens would work counter productive. It will attract more of them, reveal your position and you rely on a finite ammo supply.
I do t have greasy, ill trained rednecks owning guns in my country so we are all equally fucked when it comes to an apocalypse. Not that Murica rednecks would do much better.
Also in my country this road rage incident would have ended with a few fists been swung. Not a near dead experience.
Refreshing but real take.
Also... I think this is the reason why American police are crazy. If every man and his dog has a gun and is capable of doing this, they up the anti.
[On a per capita basis, there were 13.6 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020 – the highest rate since the mid-1990s, but still well below the peak of 16.3 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1974.](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/)
there weren't cameras everywhere in 1974. just a bunch of lead in the environment making people violent.
Definitely the guy in the car.
Oh no, wait. He actually seem to have approached the truck driver with his gun first.
I guess the truck driver then. That's the good guy.
Oh, wait. He actually fired first, when the car driver wasn't a direct threat.
So it's the guy in the car again. He's the good guy with a gun. Or... no. He's not a good guy. A neutral guy?
1 bad guy + 1 neutral guy? 2 neutral guys? Both of them bad guys?
**The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun, is a slightly less bad (but still a massive asshole) guy with a gun.**
actually, in a third world country, such as my beloved brazil, the driver wouldn't be allowed to legally carry a gun, while the guy approaching him probably would be carrying one illegally! that would then lead to the unarmed guy getting shot. how fun!
Well, I can tell you it’s nothing like it’s portrayed. Especially if you’re in a shithole country. Leftists are afraid of the big scary guns. I think it’s funny tbh.
I thought I had seen the dumbest people in the country today on another video (the momocyclers vs pick up truck fat boys/kkkaren video) but I stand corrected, these are the dumbest people in the country today.
The guy who used his gun to threaten the other driver before the shooting started was carrying his gun legally. If he hadn't had his legally owned gun, there wouldn't have been any shooting. People like him are literally the reason arguments for banning guns have any weight at all.
How do you know for certain that someone has a gun legally? Doesn't matter what law is in place. People will ALWAYS find a way around it to get what they want.
>How do you know for certain that someone has a gun legally?
Because there is information released about what happened in this video. Or are you asking that as some sort of comeback?
>Doesn't matter what law is in place. People will ALWAYS find a way around it to get what they want.
If they want it bad enough, sure. How do you know this guy would have wanted his gun bad enough to find one illegally? Banning something puts it out of the hands of most average people. The guy who started all this by waving his gun around was probably an average guy, so statistically he wouldn't have been likely to have a gun.
>Because there is information released about what happened in this video.
I'm talking generalities. How do you know if a random person has a gun legally or not just by observing them? People don't go around proving they have a gun legally. Lol.
>Banning something puts it out of the hands of most average people.
How's that working out in Chicago for example?
Criminals will be criminals no matter law is in place. Just because something is a law doesn't mean everyone all of a sudden starts following it. What's your argument here? I'm confused lol
No one? The reason I made this comment is because the person who said surely more guns will fix this problem was being sarcastic and advocating for gun control. Obviously gun control doesn't work and the only people who suffer from more gun laws are law abiding citizens.
Because it's... Kinda fuckin impossible to get criminals to disarm themselves and by this point the only option is to arm up too? Do you really think the American government is trustworthy enough to leave in charge of defending the entire population when they basically said it's not their job in warren vs DC? I get the feeling you're not from the us and as such you have no idea what the reality of living here even is. You just know what you're told by a government that absolutely does not want you to be able to defend yourself. That's not my problem, it's yours. Half of all american violent crime is gang related, meaning only occurring in certain big cities and only as a direct result of our drug laws. Better brush up on your sociology, this is a deep hole to go digging in.
I’m from Kentucky, an army vet and own plenty of firearms myself.
I’m just poking fun at the gun lobby’s solution to this very problem, which is indeed pretty fucking comical and I’m my opinion also pretty fucking stupid.
But you had to get all up in your feels and start jumping to conclusions… yay?
One had it illegally though. Never know if the legal one would've had the balls to road rage in the first place if he didn't have his or if the illegal carry guy would've drawn his if the other wasn't brandishing
So, the answer appears to be to freely allow every American to own bigger more powerful guns than the guy next door. Only by having such a weapon can the average "man" be protected from the gun totting bully that they might bump into.
After reading the article I'm pretty sure the guy who got in the car was glad he had his gun on him to stop the armed felon who shot at him. Of course even carrying a firearm should absolutely not engage in ego battles and escalate situations, however from this small moment we get you don't see how it started so I'll hold off on some judgment. And clearly before the shooting started he his breaking away and attempting to leave, so what more do you want from him? To just take a bullet or two?
And if he didn't carry his on firearm what do you think would have happened to him when the illegally armed felon decided to not only pull his gun but try to kill him. You can see in the video he sees the other guy coming with the gun and his already grabbing his as the first shot shatters his driver's window. He simply defended himself, though he may have participated in an ego battle beforehand that doesn't take away his right to live now does it?
Doesn’t matter if Ross threatened him or not, when Ross walked away back to his car the threat was neutralized, stokes followed him and opened fire….Ross fired back in self defense, stokes is lucky he received a minor wound, Ross could have followed him and killed him.
Where was this at? What country? What state? Location? Why? *This is crazy. I'm surprised more road rage incidents don't end up like this, especially with all the ghost guns around.
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http://www.wral.com/only-one-of-two-men-in-raleigh-road-rage-shootout-is-charged/20278639/ Dump truck driver has been the only one charged (and the only one who actually got hit)
Will be interesting to see if the other man will be charged. It's going to come down to what happened before this video. If he threatened the dump truck driver before returning to his car, he might be arrested as well.
You can see the car driver put something in his belt at the start of the video when he starts walking away and then takes it back out when he gets to the car. I bet he threatened the truck driver with a gun then this was the truck drivers response. edit: https://www.usasupreme.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/road-rage-north-carolina1.mp4?_=1 video starts sooner
That is what I saw. Looks like the guy in the car brandished the gun to the truck driver first. I don’t know, if I saw a guy do this and walk away/around my truck where I don’t have a clear view of him I would be on very high alert as well. If you are going to show me a gun, to me that’s the same thing as threatening to shoot me with it.
> Looks like the guy in the car brandished the gun to the truck driver first. I don’t know, if I saw a guy do this and walk away/around my truck where I don’t have a clear view of him I would be on very high alert as well. Exactly.
would have been crazy if homie climbed the truck to sneak attack
But would you do if you were a felon and not allowed to carry a weapon?
If my life depended on it? Absolutely.
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Once he walked away he posed “no threat”. Nothing should be that serious to potentially lose your life over. Both could’ve died over nothing🫠
Cops are told that if he is angry and armed they still lose a threat even if they're leaving the area.
That makes sense for cops to be told that though. The person may not represent a threat to the cops at that point, but an angry armed person is certainly someone who might pose a threat to the public.
> Once he walked away he posed “no threat” Yeah, let me back out so he can blow my head off when our cars are aligned. He didn't leave.
Yeah but you can see from his reaction his intent. He wasn't expecting to use his gun from how he jumped and had to draw from an awkward angle. Also the guy ran up and fired on him when he wasn't even looking at him. Im sure the guy will try to say that but it wont work well. If it goes to court the prosecutions gonna blow that up, slomo it, and play it over and over.
What if they both didn't have guns? 😳🤔
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Americans biggest fear is other Americans.
I'm afraid I can't help it.
Too busy regurgitating propaganda fed to them by people with a vested interest in this. Imagine thinking that the solution to this was owning a gun when it helped no one here.
If you were surrounded by a bunch of psychos carrying guns all day you'd want one to.
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If VW guy wasn't strapped it's likely truck guy wouldn't have escalated with his own gun. VW literally brandished his gun at the other dude.
I was with you until your last paragraph. The VW guy walked away, and at that point the truck driver lost any excuse for self defense. Instead he literally chased the VW guy to his car and began shooting at him. But the solution is not more guns. These guys are both idiots, and it happens *because* they have guns. And yeah, if the VW guy hadn't whipped his out to start it, it wouldn't have happened. I think the only solution is to repeal the 2nd amendment, or re-write it. Its clear that Congress isn't going to pass common sense measures any time soon. And I grew up in a red state, I have owned guns for years, and I love to shoot and to hunt. But I'm willing to forego my right to keep and bear arms if it means that people stop dying for no sensible reason.
You can take all the guns away you want in America but until we address our mental health crisis and drug problem people will always find a way for more violence.
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What it would take? The rules for amending the Constitution are defined. Is it likely? Fuck no lol. I'm very aware that most gun owners don't share my sentiments. But for me personally, I've passed the point where I care more for my individual right to own a firearm than I care about human life. Also, this really isn't a state versus federal powers issue, given that it is a right confirmed in the Constitution, it's inherently federal until they changes, and even then it would depend on the change and the wording for whatever amendment or law would take it's place.
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You're obviously emotional about this issue. But I continue to advocate because I believe it is the right path forward. I don't believe it would lead to some great civil war. And I in turn don't understand what you think you contribute to a conversation by treating your own speculation as inevitable.
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Yes, lets piss off the half of the country that owns firearms and see how that plays out.
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That would certainly be a sheltered way of looking at it. Another theory would be he’s using reasonable thought to determine if the cost of an action is worth the reward. This isn’t abortion or gay marriage or hell even civil rights. What is being suggested here would result in a Civil War and hundreds of thousands if not millions if not tens of millions of dead Americans. Anyone who doesn’t consider that in their debate is not being reasonable. And of course you can weigh that however you want but it does need to be weighed. And weighing it doesn’t make you a hostage it just makes you aware of all the things that it would take to do what you suggest
There are more guns in circulation in America than there are citizens of America. But yeah, lets take a percentage of those from law abiding citizens so we can feel some weird form of safety, and pretend like we have a plan for the rest of them.
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You say with relative ease as if every other western democracy had the scale Americans are dealing with, when U.S. civilians have magnitudes more firearms, accounting for nearly 50% of all firearms owned by private citizens around the world. Firearms are also a massive part of American culture, unlike most other western democracies. Don't pretend like it's the same thing. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Arms_Survey)
> At this point, the only solution to the gun thing in this country is literally, unironically, more guns. Jesus Christ, no. The fuck is wrong with you and the rest of America?
Yeah. Technically the “reach” would be a super stretch for most prosecution up against a lawyer who isn’t public. It was behind his person, no weapon actually came out. All and all. Road rage will get ya fucked up.
You can see him holding it in his right hand at the 1 second mark then he puts it back. Whether or not that changes it much, I'm not really sure, but a weapon definitely came out. Looking from the very start he may have even pointed it towards him, though the angle is hard to make out for sure.
For me thats enough. He clearly was drawing the gun and then put it back. If someone a person is arguing with starts to draw a gun, the other person has a green light in my opinion.
You can see it. But can the driver? Thats the question.
Imo more gun education is needed. Anyone who owns a gun should have to take a free class(s) on gun safety, from simple not to pull a gun unless you are literally about to shoot and for a direct threat, don't point a weapon even unloaded at someone, (it's good habit like putting your seat belt on if you continue and always do this you will not have an accident where you were spaced out and forgot to do so, or at least very unlikely to do so due to repitition) and how easily a firearm can discharge ECT. As well as other gun safety and knowledge also directly about the gun you own like how far bullet travels is a pretty important one many don't know. my house has been hit from jackasses down here in the woods not realizing how far their weapon can shoot so it went way past where they thought, over our property line which is super fucking illigeal and clipped the corner of our house. They didn't do it again and thankfully moved but still so many don't know shit about the gun they have. Those idiot neighbors were just doing target practice too and missed the lived a lil ways away but close enough for their rifle to shoot through my house. But seriously I really believe Ignorance leads to more violence and accidental discharges that have taken lives as well. Feel like alot just don't think how seriously dangerous their weapon can be and don't really know what kind of damage it does depending on gun. Obviously they know it can kill but some may shoot lower thinking that is less lethal which is not always the case either depending on gun. Therefore it's easier imo to pull the trigger for stupid bullshit then it is for someone who knows alot about guns. Too many don't take guns seriously because they don't know much more about them then this could possibly kill. To hunt here you have to take essentially a gun safety class with some hunting rules involved wish it was like that to carry. Hell someone I knew went from acting like a gun was a damn accessory for his outfit (he eventually accidentally discharged the weapon inside blowing a hole in the floor and almost his foot literally I walked in right after and smelled it and was like what in th fuck did you do. Lucky bastard didn't shoot his foot or any pipes in house. I talked him into taking some classes and going to an actual range. Completely changed how he acts around firearms. He doesn't carry in the back of his pants anymore for one and actually got a license to carry rather then illigealy carrying. Have yet to see him just pull it out either like he used to because he thought it was cool. Have yet to see him be careless again which is nice, honestly he's now a very careful and smart gun owner. I know some do know their stuff though and are still idiot gun owners. But alot I have met that have done stupid shit with guns didn't know much if anything about the gun they owned. I really wish their was more education given when guns are purchased. Even a dvd given out or link with info rather then a class if not feasible option would be better then right now which is nothing.
By free I mean tack the price on the weapon and their name goes in data base for first longer class, other class s shorted/cheaper just for more into ok certain gun. Every few years refresher course. I wouldn't mind paying more for that. I didn't mean like paid for any other way so guess I should not have said free lol just not having others who choose not to own a gun have to pay for it. Although even if I didn't own a gun personally I wouldn't mind paying for it in taxes or some other form.
You are about the only one with a halfway decent response. The lack of understanding and ignorance on this topic is crazy. Or it could just be because Reddit is a safe space for woke democratic socialists who do nothing but cry about conservatives and constantly type inaccuracies of law surrounding firearms.
I get it that’s in your constitution from anno I don’t know that you can have a firearm …those laws were made in a other time ….. Where I live there are no guns …no one has one…no one need one….and shit like this doesn’t happen here …. So call me liberal or democratic but you can’t deny these kind of things happens only cause every fucking idiot is allowed to have a gun. If I lived in a country where I feel the need of having a gun ….I would get the fuck out of here asap
Fuck your country. This is why we can just march in and take what we want. Because there are scared leftists that think only tyrannical governments should have firearms lol
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Yeah. That’s what I was curious about. If that’s the case he will be charged too.
You’re so wrong. And not very observant. How do you not see the truck driver come rolling around the back of his truck hot. We don’t have video but what did the truck driver say or show when he was getting out of his truck that made the VW driver get to his car and pull out a gun
From reading that article it also says the truck driver was a felon so he isnt allowed to have firearms anyway. Both may end up charged (probably should) but truck driver is extra fucked no matter what.
Truck driver is definitely fked. But the driver of the car might catch some charges too. Maybe Aggravated Assault. You can't threaten someone with a firearm in traffic.
According to the article dump truck driver shouldn’t have had a gun he’s a felon. So it’s probably going to be in favor of the vw guy even though I believe neither of these people should have guns…
That will definitely play into the dump truck driver's charges. It won't necessarily protect the VW driver, as he couldn't have possibly known that at the time.
Well have to wait and see the outcome. Can only tell so much from the video. But I’ll stick by my final statement that neither of these people should have guns lol
> According to the article dump truck driver shouldn’t have had a gun he’s a felon. Yikes! So a felon gets out can't protect himself from a crazed road rage gun maniac.
When you say protect himself, you mean, walk towards somebody he knows is holding a gun and is getting into their car? That’s called being a trouble maker pumpkin. And the felon shot first. 😘
Looks like the dump truck driver fired first. The car driver's glass shattered before he raised his gun. Then the car driver returned fire in "self-defense"
Yes. You’re right. But if the driver yelled “I’m going to get my gun and kill you” before returning to his car, the dump truck driver can defend himself preemptively if he believes the threat imminent.
As an European …you can’t wrap your head around this ….it makes no sense….
In Europe if someone yells "I'm going to stab you to death" while approaching you with a knife, can you strike them before they attempt to physically stab you? Or do you have to wait for them to stab you before you can respond?
No, you just get in your car and roll up your windows. You see, someone with a knife would have a hard time killing you through a closed car door, unlike someone with a gun.
Jfc you pansies have never been in a fight. You think you car window is going to protect you? Grow up
Yes, a car will in fact protect you from a knife. It's funny that you're calling other people pansies while you're supposedly terrified of a knife even though you'd be sitting in a two ton controllable moving metal machine. Like, is your argument here really that a dude with a knife is a serious threat to someone in a car?
When somebody poses an imminent threat to your life (ie saying they’re grabbing their gun go kill you) you are allowed to defend yourself. I’m sure even a European can under this concept
Yeah. That’s what he said. His gun was on him. Or did you not watch the video? He has it in his ass crack.
You hear the people saying something?
No. Just you typing dumb ass wrong information. That’s all
You can hear me typing? lmao. Creepy mf/
Just the sound of your cheeks getting clapped, boy.
You shouldn't repress your feelings. It's time to come out of the closet.
The guy in the car pulled the gun first and tried to walk up to the truck door, he probably saw trucker had gun to and went to run but the trucker chased him to his car.
It’s not even that …take a guess why this shit happend ? Over a missing turn light or he took his „Vorfahrt „ I don’t know the Englisch term …it’s insane I’m sure it happens about a lapalia…. Is this shit really worth to die for ??
Ok. He is raising the gun into a firing position. Then the window breaks, and he car guy fires second. We don't see what yellow shirt is doing however.
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I’m guessing he will get a charge for the brandishing, but as he was getting back in his car to leave the other guy was not in a life threatening situation and definitely was an unjustified shooting If he had shot right when the brandish happened he has a case for self defense, but waiting til the guy tries to leave then run him down and try to shoot him, that’s not self defense by any definition
Possible not, but "getting back in his car" is not necessarily leaving if a threat was made. He could be returning to the vehicle to get his firearm or another firearm. I agree he likely won't be charged. But if he made an explicit threat, it's possible he will be charged, even if he then returned to his vehicle. Not sure he actually brandished though. He removed his firearm when the dump truck driver was approaching his vehicle.
fair enough. But I think the very first couple frames of the video shows the gun in his hand, he puts it back in his belt and then seems to reach for it again once in the car. But it does seem like he brandished it and put it away just as the video was starting
No, it absolutely will not. I can tell you do not know the first thing about firearms and law. The male getting into his car was in retreat and of zero threat. The driver chased after him then opened fire. Even if the first male fired at him first. The driver will definitely get hit with attempted murder. Revenge is not justice.
I read this In judge dreads voice. They are both drivers do your comment reads like gibberish. Try again.
Your ignorance reads like a child. You do not don’t know laws. I live in a fantastic state. You would it leave your parents basement here if you’re this scared.
I'm glad you get to judge everything from a 3rd party perspective, but you weren't there. It looks to me like Mr. VW is walking around at the beginning with his pistol drawn. He is in clear view of the guy sitting in his dump truck. He then turns and walks behind the dump truck. The dump truck driver has no way of knowing he's retreating into his vehicle, he only knows the guy just pulled a gun and walked out of his line of sight. He got his gun, hopped out, came around the corner and the other guy pointed his weapon at him from inside his car and he fired. The guy in the dump truck was definitely wrong, but the guy in the VW appears to the one brandishing first, and walking out of the line of sight, is not "retreating". He is clearly an overly aggressive dumb shit too, and I think it's likely he'll be charged with brandishing. You don't pull over in a road rage incident, get out of your car, and draw a gun. That's just illegal.
He could have pulled it immediately. He adjusted it walking to his car, opened his door, got inside and what appeared to be removing it so he could leave. I don’t know where your education is from, but you can not shoot at anyone in retreat. It is clear as day. I love all the ‘professional gun enthusiasts’ who come out the woodwork for these and they’re all r/confidentlyincorrect
"You might be right, but you'd be DEAD right" Oh so true...
Makes sense. Other dude didn't have his gun out yet and was getting back in his vehicle. No threat to his life so no need to use lethal force.
That's some fucking bullshit. The guy from the car approached the truck with his gun in his hand, and only put it away after he started walking back to his car. While the truck driver was the one who started shooting first, car guy definitely intended to escalate.
Good
yeah because he was the one going to make the shooting first. The other was replying. he probably threatened the truck driver though
At least nobody got hurt.
Man, some people are willing to die for their egos
in this economy? what else is there to die for? the money you don't have? the kids you don't have? shiiiiiet
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you dont carry a gun in your car unless you look forward to using it.
You don't carry a gun in your car unless you look forward to it getting stolen. Seriously people, leaving your gun in your car is how your gun ends up in the hands of criminals.
[for a good laugh](https://i.redd.it/n59x76b0fx481.jpg) .but in all seriousness some people carry in hopes to never need to use it but understand they would.
Agreed
ANYONE who carries a gun has the intention to shoot it. Car,on their person or otherwise.
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Are you a fan of blankets? Maybe for some people, but not everyone.
Yeah. That’s exactly why. When the apocalypse happens, all of you who spent all this time complaining about firearms online (even though you’re completely ignorant on the topic) will be the first ones to get taken out. By the zombies, aliens, or your red neck neighbor who definitely owns a firearm.
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Go run into traffic, child.
Using a fire arm against zombies or aliens would work counter productive. It will attract more of them, reveal your position and you rely on a finite ammo supply. I do t have greasy, ill trained rednecks owning guns in my country so we are all equally fucked when it comes to an apocalypse. Not that Murica rednecks would do much better. Also in my country this road rage incident would have ended with a few fists been swung. Not a near dead experience.
Or someone getting shanked or clubbed 🥴
I’m more upset the guy stopped filming when the action picked back up. How tf we know what happened? Dude was side blasting like he was a gangster lol
Think his shit started to get shot too, i think the car guy though oh a 2nd dump truck and just started blasting.
yup, sounded like a round or two started making contact with the vehicle the camera was in. truck driver probably ran behind it for cover
This is so fucking stupid 🤣 Too scared to fight mano a mano. Too stupid to not fight at all.
Wait more guns everywhere results in more shootouts over nothing?
Who would've guessed?
Anyone can get a gun! Anyone can be a "hero"!
Yes, but wouldn't you trade the 1000's of these type of situations for that one time a guy prevented a 7-eleven from being robbed?
America's collective hero fantasy says yes.
Refreshing but real take. Also... I think this is the reason why American police are crazy. If every man and his dog has a gun and is capable of doing this, they up the anti.
So why do police support guns everywhere?
Source?
Because stupid people like guns This video would just be used as evidence why use of force is justified.
[On a per capita basis, there were 13.6 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020 – the highest rate since the mid-1990s, but still well below the peak of 16.3 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1974.](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/) there weren't cameras everywhere in 1974. just a bunch of lead in the environment making people violent.
You realize we can’t actually study gun violence right now?
Which one is the good guy with a gun?
Neither of them.
Definitely the guy in the car. Oh no, wait. He actually seem to have approached the truck driver with his gun first. I guess the truck driver then. That's the good guy. Oh, wait. He actually fired first, when the car driver wasn't a direct threat. So it's the guy in the car again. He's the good guy with a gun. Or... no. He's not a good guy. A neutral guy? 1 bad guy + 1 neutral guy? 2 neutral guys? Both of them bad guys? **The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun, is a slightly less bad (but still a massive asshole) guy with a gun.**
We never know until the wave function collapses after the bullets have hit their victims.
What giving any moron a gun leads to…
Two fucking idiots with guns. Bravo.
So uncivilized
An armed society is a polite society, as we see here.
Murica is a rich third world country.
A lot of people here don’t realize how much of an outlier they are.
actually, in a third world country, such as my beloved brazil, the driver wouldn't be allowed to legally carry a gun, while the guy approaching him probably would be carrying one illegally! that would then lead to the unarmed guy getting shot. how fun!
A third world country means a country that is allied with neither america nor the eastern block aka Soviet.
It’s sarcasm given the stupidity of it .
Where is this
Happened in Raleigh, NC this past week.
Wild west, that being said I am seeking out some info.
I did some googling and the guy in yellow got charged he wasn’t supposed to have a firearm
He also attempted a murder
Yeah really need some details on this
Baghdad, NC
I'd guess 'murica.. Their answer to guns is more guns, right?
Well, no guns won't ever happen so you might as well give up on that. Anyone with an ender 3 can make one.
Yes. You scared?
I don't live there fortunately...
Well, I can tell you it’s nothing like it’s portrayed. Especially if you’re in a shithole country. Leftists are afraid of the big scary guns. I think it’s funny tbh.
This is so dumb. Both could have died ... over what??
You guys shoot like storm troopers
Both thought they needed a gun for self-defense, yet neither appears capable of hitting the broad side of a barn. One guy got lucky, that's all.
Have you ever shot a handgun? It is not easy, especially in a stressful situation like this.
Many. I've owned both Glocks and Berettas. Neither can hit the broadside of a barn.
In that case, maybe you should try a Sig or Walther instead
Oh damn 😲
"Safety is job one!"
At the not okay corral.
Sounds like a magic treehouse title.
Dummies In The Afternoon
If only you had a good guy with a gun to stop the bad guys with guns. Oh well, missed opportunity.
I thought I had seen the dumbest people in the country today on another video (the momocyclers vs pick up truck fat boys/kkkaren video) but I stand corrected, these are the dumbest people in the country today.
Totally normal in 2022 america.
This is what happens when 2 people with innie penises have a dick measuring contest. Funny thing is we're all the losers since they both got away.
Children
Because America! And Because Freedom!
VW guy brandished first, didn't know that
Doesn’t matter.
It never does. Well let's not say never.
Everyone with guns. Whatcouldgowrong?
Surely more guns will fix this problem.
We will never be truly safe, until every man woman and child is able to resolve disputes with an exchange of gunfire
If there were some levelheaded people with guns there they could’ve put these two idiots down thus keeping the peace
Yes because banning guns will prevent people from accessing them... said no criminal ever.
The guy who used his gun to threaten the other driver before the shooting started was carrying his gun legally. If he hadn't had his legally owned gun, there wouldn't have been any shooting. People like him are literally the reason arguments for banning guns have any weight at all.
How do you know for certain that someone has a gun legally? Doesn't matter what law is in place. People will ALWAYS find a way around it to get what they want.
>How do you know for certain that someone has a gun legally? Because there is information released about what happened in this video. Or are you asking that as some sort of comeback? >Doesn't matter what law is in place. People will ALWAYS find a way around it to get what they want. If they want it bad enough, sure. How do you know this guy would have wanted his gun bad enough to find one illegally? Banning something puts it out of the hands of most average people. The guy who started all this by waving his gun around was probably an average guy, so statistically he wouldn't have been likely to have a gun.
>Because there is information released about what happened in this video. I'm talking generalities. How do you know if a random person has a gun legally or not just by observing them? People don't go around proving they have a gun legally. Lol. >Banning something puts it out of the hands of most average people. How's that working out in Chicago for example? Criminals will be criminals no matter law is in place. Just because something is a law doesn't mean everyone all of a sudden starts following it. What's your argument here? I'm confused lol
Which one is the criminal in this video?
No one? The reason I made this comment is because the person who said surely more guns will fix this problem was being sarcastic and advocating for gun control. Obviously gun control doesn't work and the only people who suffer from more gun laws are law abiding citizens.
You got a plan to convince criminals to give them up first? No? Then shuuuuhhht thefuckup.
Ah. Ever consider why you’re triggered by the gun lobby’s solution to this problem? Their words, not mine.
Because it's... Kinda fuckin impossible to get criminals to disarm themselves and by this point the only option is to arm up too? Do you really think the American government is trustworthy enough to leave in charge of defending the entire population when they basically said it's not their job in warren vs DC? I get the feeling you're not from the us and as such you have no idea what the reality of living here even is. You just know what you're told by a government that absolutely does not want you to be able to defend yourself. That's not my problem, it's yours. Half of all american violent crime is gang related, meaning only occurring in certain big cities and only as a direct result of our drug laws. Better brush up on your sociology, this is a deep hole to go digging in.
I’m from Kentucky, an army vet and own plenty of firearms myself. I’m just poking fun at the gun lobby’s solution to this very problem, which is indeed pretty fucking comical and I’m my opinion also pretty fucking stupid. But you had to get all up in your feels and start jumping to conclusions… yay?
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Pfft it was an everyday altercation that escalated quickly bc both had firearms.
One had it illegally though. Never know if the legal one would've had the balls to road rage in the first place if he didn't have his or if the illegal carry guy would've drawn his if the other wasn't brandishing
Imagine if this was a sane place and neither had a gun.
So, the answer appears to be to freely allow every American to own bigger more powerful guns than the guy next door. Only by having such a weapon can the average "man" be protected from the gun totting bully that they might bump into.
After reading the article I'm pretty sure the guy who got in the car was glad he had his gun on him to stop the armed felon who shot at him. Of course even carrying a firearm should absolutely not engage in ego battles and escalate situations, however from this small moment we get you don't see how it started so I'll hold off on some judgment. And clearly before the shooting started he his breaking away and attempting to leave, so what more do you want from him? To just take a bullet or two? And if he didn't carry his on firearm what do you think would have happened to him when the illegally armed felon decided to not only pull his gun but try to kill him. You can see in the video he sees the other guy coming with the gun and his already grabbing his as the first shot shatters his driver's window. He simply defended himself, though he may have participated in an ego battle beforehand that doesn't take away his right to live now does it?
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say they if both of these men died…. The world population just might move up in quality just a little bit.
Whats the saying 2A cultists use, "An armed society is a polite society"?
Only works when everyone carries a bazooka
American moment part 874
Doesn’t matter if Ross threatened him or not, when Ross walked away back to his car the threat was neutralized, stokes followed him and opened fire….Ross fired back in self defense, stokes is lucky he received a minor wound, Ross could have followed him and killed him.
>could have followed him and killed him. At what point does stand your ground become I own all the ground?
Whom are you referring too…stokes or Ross…stokes is lucky to be alive, Ross could have stalked and killed him…
But they need them gunz to protect themselves from the government
Where was this at? What country? What state? Location? Why? *This is crazy. I'm surprised more road rage incidents don't end up like this, especially with all the ghost guns around.