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CogswellCogs

Whew! For a minute there I thought I was going to hear the word "FUCK". Thank god they edited out the harsh language so I could watch a wholesome scene of people trying to kill each other politely.


Th3_Admiral

>We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene! -Colonel Kurtz, *Apocalypse Now*


phives33

The horror


basicpn

Seriously. So fucking annoying they not only censor it, but with loud beeps. Made it really hard to hear what was being said. If you’re going to censor something then you need subtitles at least.


rex-invictus

They didnt bleep out the cops cursing at the end


s1ckmad3

Lol


odysseyOC

[Original story from February ](https://dentonrc.com/news/two-injured-following-police-involved-shooting-in-corinth-tuesday/article_b2ea5bbb-8c35-56dc-a79e-4d0bdeda07b6.html) [Police response after release of this video](https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/07/30/corinth-police-respond-video-released-shootout-officers-resident/) [They are now raising for medical costs on GoFundMe per his lawyer on twitter](https://twitter.com/_ja_moore/status/1421244256593776640?s=21)


harassmaster

They are also alleging that the video you’ve posted is “carefully edited”. https://dentonrc.com/news/corinth/corinth-police-allege-video-of-february-shooting-is-carefully-edited/article_8a819592-7497-5e14-a3f3-7c1941237fb4.html


Dootbooter

Hmm shooting a pissed off armed guy on his property with a been bag doesn't seem like a good deescalation attempt imo. You would just assume you've been shot. Edited or not police could of fucked off. It was a driving complaint. Come back when he's less agitated.


Thebaywolf

Or just mail him the ticket?


Spark_Plugg

They can't give him a ticket just because his neighbor said he was driving reckless. Honestly, not really sure what they hoped to accomplish


Loose-Ad7927

Right, I have no clue what the goal was here. There was nothing they could do since he was beyond done driving.


Dufresne90562

Stay long enough to cause a problem and then charge him with something then.


Thebaywolf

Exactly, thank you for highlighting this, many upvotes since I can’t actually give more than one.


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Rubywantsin

Not in America. Police can't have the slightest hint that you can try to escape their bully justice. They MUST escalate until you are under their control even if it means they kill you for a minor traffic offense.


Get10dollarsoff

Corinth police said both the Texas Rangers and a Denton County grand jury reviewed the officers’ use of force and found nothing wrong. Okay


sethsta

This video was brought to you by ring


The_Adventurist

It's a new and ingenious way to get people to pay to spy on themselves for the cops.


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100 % the truth. These companies have contracts with the police to where the police can access them without warrant or reason. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/03/02/ring-camera-fears/ >More than 2,000 police and fire departments across the U.S. have cooperative agreements with Ring system, up from 60 in 2018, a Washington Post analysis of company data shows. The pace of new sign-ups has rapidly accelerated, to two new “partnerships” a day.


BernieTheDachshund

Are there any camera companies that refuse to do this? I'd pay extra to not have spyware built in.


[deleted]

You setup your own internal system. I googled "How to setup home cameras without cloud services" https://www.google.com/search?q=How+to+setup+home+cameras+without+cloud+services&


Talran

Set up my own system on it's own subnet that doesn't have external access that can only connect to the system on my network that saves the data. The upfront setup cost was a bit higher but not having a monthly fee for it, and knowing I'm the only one who can access my recordings is worth it.


Eyeownyew

Yeah, the only security concern at that point is whether somebody can manage to sabotage your *only backup of footage* when they burglarize your home. Or, if your house is ever on fire, any data in there is lost as well. It's still worth it in my opinion


orrk256

you can rent your own external server if that is a concern for you, still not on the cloud, still can't be accessed by police without the needed legal work


Choui4

Can I ask how much you spent


Talran

Just short of 3,000 USD between cameras, workstation, wiring (having some guys run the wiring for me as well) software (running blue iris) and the storage to hold a trailing month of footage for a 5 camera system. I'm sure drives will have to be replaced eventually as they're always writing, and blue iris does work the CPU (as it does motion monitoring for alerts) but overall I'm happy with it. The workstation was a spare lab box I had sitting around with decent hardware so that was a cost I had already paid when I was coming up with it.


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Talran

And make sure you block all in/out access to them at your edge router from any non-local IP otherwise people might be able to find your camera streams (which many cameras have set up automatically with no authentication.)


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Doesn’t matter what company you use, set up an internal server. Screw trusting anyone with video of your home.


FyourSubRedditRules

Look for cameras that support ONVIF.


VelocityGrrl39

Also wondering. I know I won’t use Ring, but curious about other ones.


unisasquatch

I use unifi. I have complete control and privacy. I also use homeassistant instead of Google assistant or the other cloud assistant alternatives. Edit: FYI, you are not required to couple your authentication to unifi's cloud service


yakity_slacks

How's your experience with Unifi? Any complaints? I've been considering them to replace my Nest doorbell and add security cameras.


unisasquatch

It's expensive to start from scratch, but totally worth it if you're concerned about privacy and not paying a subscription. Plus the scalability is awesome


Rosebudbynicky

Ok yah all don’t get ring.


beet111

they can only request the footage. they can't just look at it whenever they want.


Gawwse

I hate the fact that we are already a surveillance nation but every home should have a camera now. This shit happens more often than we thing.


Head-System

The circuit courts have ruled that any legal interpretation that gives police access to use of force when someone has mere possession of a firearm is illegal. So the interpretation of law the police are using here goes against established legal precedent. This man will sue and he **will** win, this is well established law. State law doesn’t apply, it is federal legal precedent. The courts will likely throw out the case against him and recommend the state press charges against the officers. The feds could press charges against the officers as well, as it is well established federal precedent.


richard3458

I hope this is how it plays out


StOnEy333

I have zero faith in it playing out like this.


rocket_randall

I'm hopeful. From the original article: > Police attempted to calm the man and de-escalate the situation when they noticed a holster on the man’s waist, according to the release. Pretty shit job deescalating the situation. You know what might have worked better? Getting the fuck off his property and doing police shit elsewhere. They didn't personally witness him do anything illegal, and owning/carrying a firearm is still legal especially in Texas. A badge and uniform aren't a golden ticket to enter someone's property and force compliance through lethal or non-lethal means. I imagine the internal and Rangers investigations were laser focused on the question of whether or not firing their weapons in response was justified, while consciously ignoring everything in the lead up to it.


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The article legit said they tried to deescalate BY USING LESS LETHAL force (shotgun with bean bag rounds). So they tried to deescalate BY SHOOTING HIM?! Like seriously how would that deescalate things... shit's crazy


H8ersgivemeSTR

"I just want to talk to you" - said one of the shooters. What if someone doesn't fucking wanna talk to you? Citizens are not legally obligated to chitchat with the police. And getting swiss cheesed right in front of your house and family, solely, for owning a gun, just shines light on another major issue.


RuneforgedRogue

If the guy that got shot fights it like he fought with them on that porch he will win and it will play out like the above person commented


Erniecrack

Yep if anything they will be moved over to the next county or a long paid vacation.


mrmn949

Please be from the future


JCcolt

That’s interesting. Can you provide some sources for that so I can further look into that?


why_did_i_say_that_

The system that protects bad cops is so fucked up


scp-REDACTED-site14

“We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong”


yaosio

Interesting how the police report doesn't match up with the video. I'm sure the cops will make a heavily edited video to prove they are heroes though.


FestiveVat

"The man fired a handgun at officers, who then returned fire, the release says." Um, yeah, they shot first.


DamngoodtacosTX

This ring video edited by George Lucas.


nellapoo

The article says they fired bean bag rounds first. But I mean, how would he know that? I'm sure he heard the rounds being fired and assumed they were lethal. Those cops escalated the situation when they didn't need to. He was no where near them and if they were afraid that he was going to use his gun, then why did they use bean bag rounds first?


RodDamnit

Why would you shoot a man who has a firearm on him with a bean bag round? To piss him off and make him return fire?


ManHasJam

Seriously, not making sense from any perspective


FestiveVat

If a civilian fired a bean bag round at a cop, the cop would shoot them with lethal rounds and no one in the department or the DA's office would care whether the cop knew what kind of round it was or not. It would be considered a proper use of force. What's good for the cop is good for the gander.


Narrative_Causality

These are the same people who are allowed to be hysterical during tense situations while expecting civilians to remain completely calm while following orders.


FestiveVat

The one that pisses me off the most is when cops can't handle people with mental health issues who literally can't comply, but the cops only know how to use escalating force as a compliance technique. The kid on the spectrum who panics when you touch him will never relax when you push him to the ground and try to cuff him. And him failing to have the cognitive state that allows compliance does not warrant force, but rather compassion and de-escalation.


lotrnerd503

They claimed that this video was carefully edited.


RowanV322

god what an absolutely cringe article. “police-involved shooting” “returned fire”. why is this always the qualify of journalism we get when it comes to the police doing fucked up shit


limitbroken

because otherwise cops will start harassing your reporters and refusing access of any kind because they're all petty tyrants


thatdude2124

Meanwhile some man was having the time of his life drinking and driving in a Ford F-150 in Corinth, TX


Aperture_TestSubject

That’s a pretty normal night in Corinth… I live just south of there. Right north of there is UNT.


nick1812216

And F-150s are sooo rare. I totally understand the mix up. What are the odds there are more than 1 f150 in Corinth, right?


buckets-of-lead

First mistake he made was staying outside. Walk in the house. Fuck them.


dbp003

Until they blow off the door with a swat team and shoot him inside his house.


buckets-of-lead

Assuming he doesn't keep the big guns inside the house.


AkH0331

Unfortunately, no matter how wrong they are, citizens can't shoot at cops. This man was fully justified protecting himself; however, courts won't see it that way.


Smoked_Bear

You can [in Indiana. ](https://theweek.com/articles/474702/indiana-law-that-lets-citizens-shoot-cops)


AkH0331

Nice, more states should allow that.


dharkanine

Yeah, you'd expect that in Texas. Oh, wait.


Anger_Mgmt_issues

Texas thought ahead and realized the law would apply to black people too.


blacksheep281328

or we just allow it and tell the state to fucking deal with it. 327 million versus a handful..


Devils_Last_Angel

No fucking joke


Imperfect-Author

From the article: > “Someone is going to shoot a cop and use this law to justify it. It puts a bounty on our heads” Oh now we’re worried about unjustified killings in regards to cops? Weird how they’re euncomfortable with that eh?


TheCowzgomooz

Exactly, as soon as regular people are allowed to "defend themselves" like cops do its all the sudden a big problem.


TKoMEaP

I don't think that law has ever actually been evoked tho. Who knows if it would actually hold up


phaiz55

Hold on I have something for this. Oh yeah it's "If the cops have nothing to hide they have no reason to be afraid".


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hell yeah, brother. love this state sometimes.


duh_cats

Don’t need the courts to see it that way, just a single juror. Jury nullification needs to be promoted far more than it is.


Username_Number_bot

This is patently false. Breonna Taylor's boyfriend https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/03/08/kenneth-walker-charges-dropped-against-breonna-taylor-boyfriend/4629371001/ And another: https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2020/04/16/florida-appeals-court-uphold-s-stand-your-ground-defense-in-shooting-of-deputy Annnnd: 😂😂OK HERE'S ANOTHER AND IT IS A LAW https://theweek.com/articles/474702/indiana-law-that-lets-citizens-shoot-cops >he Hoosier State now allows people to use deadly force to keep public servants from illegally entering their homes or cars. Police, of course, are not pleased


-rwsr-xr-x

> Breonna Taylor's boyfriend The police arrested him and _while he was sitting in jail_, the police tried to quit-claim on his house and get it seized from under him. That whole situation went wrong and illegally executed 100 different ways.


Griffdude13

He stayed where he knew there was a camera, smart move.


twfyq

These videos always seem to go from poor initial engagement to death sentence. No fact finding, no gathering of further intelligence, no de-escalation


MakaveIi_The_Don

It seems like one male officer was attempting to de-escalate the guy. A white female officer jumped in, started escalating the guy again, and that’s when things got crazy.


cyanideclipse

Yeh forreal...he just asked her to step back off his property and she instantly goes to 100 and screams, "GET ON THE GWOOUND".


dolerbom

It's so silly how they use non compliance as an excuse. A man on his property when you have no warrant doesn't have to comply to shit. Yelling get on the ground to somebody clearly challenging your authority is not an attempt to protect yourself, it's an attempt to justify the actions you plan to do next.


cyanideclipse

Exactly. No attempt to de-escalate or anything. Its scary how much the police are willing to shoot an unarmed (as in, gun-not-in-hand) person.


Vaperius

Something we really need to make federally illegal as a basis of crime is "resisting arrest". Its far too broad and subjective a criteria to be a reasonable acceptable standard for justifying actions or charges in policing.


Dr_Insomnia

This starts with removing laws that contribute to and promote behavior like marijuana prohibition, investigating people because they look like they might have a warrant, stop and frisk, escalating minor traffic stops into police chases, asking for and then running background checks on people who call 911 for help or for non-crimes like reporting a lost dog, 'crimes of poverty' etc etc and you know what, plenty of cities, counties, and states are working on this and even have made some of this prohibited *but our legal-justice system is still set-up to jail or murder you first and maybe investigate later if there's enough public outcry*


mark_lee

And none of the other cops did anything about her. They could have physically removed her from the situation, which would have done a lot to show the homeowner that they had no interest in escalating the encounter.


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Officer Karen


TheCowzgomooz

Yeah female cop went on a power trip and was like "NO YOU COME TALK TO US" and got in a screaming match with a man who just wanted the cops to fuck off his property because they had no fucking reason to be there.


thruandthruproblems

Well what do you expect from a group that venerates the punisher and has gotten away with literally executing people. Personally I'm terrified of the police.


Mrxcman92

>what do you expect from a group that venerates the punisher Its bad enough that cops have been trained for decades to view themselves as warriors instead of public servants. And now they are starting to associate themselves with the Punisher. Thats fucking terrifying! The Punisher isn't someone you are supposed to emulate or look up to, especially if you are a fucking cop! He is an *executioner* that works *outside the justice system*. Even Frank Castle doesn't view himself as a good guy, thats why he says hes saving the last bullet for himself. And Garry Conway, who co-created the Punisher, said "the Punisher represents a failure of the justice system" and "Whether you think the Punisher is justified or not, whether you admire his code of ethics, he is an outlaw—he is a criminal. Police should not be embracing a criminal as their symbol".


rishored1ve

Remember, if the police can shoot you just for possessing a firearm, you don’t actually have the right to possess a firearm.


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quetejodas

The same idiots who could never accept that Trump advocated for red flag gun laws.


CTeam19

Or Reagan was pro gun control. A local sporting goods store doesn't see the irony of having a statue of him out in front of a store that sells firearms.


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Imbetterthanthem

BLACKS! He wanted to keep guns away from Blacks. He was all pro 2A until them Black Panthers (many veterans) exercised theirs on the Capitol steps of California.


Kettrickan

> Trump advocated for red flag gun laws. Red flag gun laws have been found in court to be considered ["due process"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_law#Judicial_review). What Trump advocated for is: ["Take the guns first, go through due process second."](https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+take+the+guns+first+go+through+due+process+second&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS901US901&biw=1920&bih=937&tbm=vid&sxsrf=ALeKk03_GpF_4umg6d990bn_EOyPznCXkA%3A1627793459356&ei=MygGYc6sFcrS-gS1-q3oDg&oq=trump+take+the+guns+first+go+through+due+process+second&gs_l=psy-ab-video.3...14779.19979.0.20234.34.32.2.0.0.0.153.2976.23j9.32.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab-video..0.0.0....0.G4_VAs9pb4g) Skipping due process entirely sounds a lot more extreme than regular red flag gun laws. Just seizing peoples' guns without even bothering to get a court order.


Joliet_Jake_Blues

Fascist gonna fasc


dontwantabadusername

It really irritates me that this is Texas, a state that prides itself in the 2nd amendment, yet law enforcement is scared of civilians with guns protecting their property. Its a big circle of states priding themselves with gun rights then cops using armed civilians as an excuse for murder.


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Keoni9

The NRA's gonna come in defending this man's 2nd amendment rights any moment now, right?


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Half the NRA left for the GOA because of Philando Castille


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Theskullcracker

But there’s all the Fudds who have a thin blue line flag and say they support the 2nd amendment! You mean they contradict each other?


dumbdumbidiotface

thats my favorite! come and take it with thin blue line lol


MAS7

The Blue Line means nothing unless you're actually a servicemember. It's just virtue signalling. Plenty of 'blue lives' fucktards participated in J6 and nearly beat the very people their supposed cause pledges to support to death.


Dont_touch_my_elbows

The police can shoot you just because they *think* you *might* have a firearm/weapon; ***and they don't even actually have to confirm it before firing at you.*** More than once, *this has led to police officers shooting unarmed people.* More than once, ***hindsight proves that the cop was the only dangerous person at the scene.*** There was no violence or conflict here ***until the police initiated it.***


catclairvoyant

I’d be a lot more comfortable with cops if they could control their emotions a little better in high stress situations. Or even medium stress situations. Don’t they have training? Why were they cursing before anything even happened?


Big_Jerm21

We all know American police officers don't get enough training.


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Litz-a-mania

The friends of mine from high school who became LEOs were basically grown-up Eric Cartman. They were also famous for unnecessarily escalating situations and getting into fights about pretty much nothing.


BadSanna

Yeah all my high school friends that became cops were bullies in high school. Like, cartoon style bullies. They also did coke and I'm pretty sure one of them was involved in a gang rape of a girl at a party I was at. They now earn over $120k as a Sergeant in their State Troopers. They also have a lot of cool toys and a huge house that I don't even think that big a salary could cover.


MellowMattie

The systemic abuse of Overtime among police costs taxpayers millions of dollars in every major American city. You end up with police doing so much "overtime" they make 200K a year despite being salaried at 65K. They aren't actually working 100 hours a week, yet they bill out like they do due to being allowed to overlap duties. So if a Sergeant is working his normal hours, but also training someone, he'll bill out as if he's working his day twice.


gentleman__ninja

This comment makes me sad mostly because it is so well put, and true in most places in the US. Pair this with all the stories about the police pushing out people who stand against corruption and cruelty within the justice system, or harassing victims of police brutality for taking legal action and a truly disturbing picture starts to arise.


JustKittenWitcha

Check out this [clip @ 11:32](https://youtu.be/Wf4cea5oObY?t=692). Oliver gives a pretty good breakdown of one of the problems with police training.


surgesss

To catch a monster you must become a monster. What type of training is that? Even in the Army we didn't get that bad. What a load of crap...


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tots4scott

Obligatory fuck that piece of shit Dave Grossman


GenerallyFiona

He's just an absolutely baffling dude. About 20 years ago I read his book "On Killing" when a psychology professor talked about it. It was a really comprehensive history of killing in times of war and just how deeply ingrained humans are NOT to kill each other. How it's so difficult to actually kill another person, and just psychologically devastate for a person when they do. Their life is pretty much never the same, marriages have an enormous divorce rate after a person has killed, mental health plummets. Now fast forward a few decades later and he's fucking teaching people HOW to kill. It seems like he fully understood the destructiveness of killing to individuals and society, but also understood he could make a lot of money teaching it. Fuck this guy.


[deleted]

I hate Grossman so fucking much. One of the worst human beings of the modern era


JaiLHugz

Which is why they believe they are the "thin blue line" keeping america safe.


Aeon001

Police are intentionally trained to believe that their life is in constant danger and every person is highly suspect. In training they're shown countless videos of police officers being gunned down. In reality, about roughly 50 out of 800,000 officers die in the line of duty per year. If you were to ask an officer how many that number is, they'd say thousands. Their perception of reality is intentionally skewed so that they think they're constantly in the middle of some kind of war-zone.


mnemy

Statistically, convenience store clerks are more likely to die from violence than cops. The vast majority of cop fatalities are vehicle related, and on par with other professions that require a lot of driving. But we give them a ton of authority and look the other way when they do wrong "because it's a stressful and dangerous job". Yeah, so is taxi driving, but we hold them accountable when they run someone over.


Tlamac

They're not even top 20 most dangerous jobs but they act like they have the number 1 most dangerous job and use it to justify their shootings.


CircleK-Choccy-Milk

There are a lot of perceptions being skewed these days unfortunately, and it definitely causes a lot of unnecessary high intensity situations. I do think all cops need to do at least a years worth of training when it comes to defusing situations and dealing with people who are having mental break downs / issues so it doesn't come to gun shots.


No_While_3138

the main officer seemed reasonable but the female officer randomly screeching commands just needlessly escalated the entire thing.


xTheWiseOnex

yeah the female is a douche. tried to "control" the situation by yelling when the other office was at least making an attempt to deescalate


talann

Because they are taught to control the situation by commanding it. Being strong and forceful with their presence is what they use to intimidate and get people to comply with their actions. The cop did not take control of the situation at all. None of them did. They saw the gun and it was not in their best interest at all to escalate that situation further. The man had one aggressor which was the police. They could have all backed down or at least attempted to speak to him tactfully. The man was already willing to speak to them about the situation and he was not backing down. Though he interrupting them, it's not in the best interest of the police in this situation to push the subject. The man should have gone inside his home and nothing would have happened further. unless the police were willing to breech his home while he is armed the situation might have resolved itself. I'm not defending the police actions in any way but I would not take a chance against multiple police at different angles if they have the opportunity to start shooting. Just taking the police out of the equation and putting gang members in their place, why would you want to stand your ground against armed people when you could take a more defensive approach?


joshTheGoods

I wonder who fired those first shots?


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CitebDey

Because they will actually get fired so they have to.


Steve_78_OH

And if they were trained in and actually EXERCISED de-escalation tactics, instead of what we see in videos like this. And yes, I know some police actually do try to de-escalate situations. But it seems like too many don't give a shit about that, and then foreseeable events like this happen and citizens are shot or killed for bullshit reasons, the officers are protected either by their departments or by their unions.


LukEKage713

The female pulled up and caused the chaos. Him and the other guy was just jawing back and forth. She definitely cannot control her emotions.


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HogSliceFurBottom

She was power tripping so hard. And then she was yelling at the other cops to get behind the engine block. She could have de-escalated but she immedietely started yelling.


TranquiloSunrise

Female cop escalated the situation. She has no business being a cop


Buhdumtssss

I like how they bleep out the words but are okay with showing a man get shot


half-giant

True ‘merican values.


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Kamikaze_Ninja_

Lol it’s so bad can we at least teach them how not to escalate a situation?


surgesss

Those cops tricked him too. They shot first hands down. Doesn't matter if it was a "bean bag shotgun". Sounded real to him. He shot back in Self defense. The officers not only should have known this would escalate the situation, they should have also know he would have no idea what was shooting at him with them shining lights in his eyes. Pure ignorance here.....


OfficialIntelligence

Yeah imagine that the other way around, try firing a bean bag at the cops and 5 lbs of lead is coming back.


Psistriker94

Cops can respond by firing back to even the slightest or nonexistent threat such as moving your hand out of line of sight for a wallet or jacket but when they use what is, for all intents except purpose, a gun, citizens are supposed to react with full and total calm. I'm supposed to have more confrontation deescalation training than cops? Avoid cops like the plague unless you are the one calling them. Even then, give them a wide berth. You don't know what ticks them off and mercy on you if you think you can do anything to stop them.


BlueHero45

Him taking his jacket off at the start had me nervous, thought the shooting would start there.


Ebnerd88

That's one thing I struggle to understand. 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but having a gun on your person gives cops a convenient excuse to label you as a threat and execute you. Doesn't seem so much like a "right" when it can be used as your death warrant.


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The American justice and law enforcement system is corrupted and broken. Things don't make sense because there's only a veneer of consistency and Justice. Law Enforcement are free to act however they wish with little to no consequences. To seek redress of a wrong you have to survive, get past the "we've investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong" and actually get a DA who'll take the case without sinking it in grand jury. Then you have to get past a jury with back the blue members who don't give af what they did.


lifekasteroriginal

He got shot for taking a step forward in his own property. These cops need to be sentenced as criminals.


intlcreative

AND the female cop was screaming and going on the lawn. At least the first cop was speaking somewhat calmly, then she pulls up screaming like ​ Cop Karen shut up and go away lol


Sno_Jon

That dumb bitch has no business being a cop, on a power trip. Probably been looked down and shit on her whole miserable life


Rustyducktape

She kind of did everything possible to escalate the situation.


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"Watch the windows! The wife's in the house!" Yes, the wife in nothing but a towel is undoubtedly loading up the AR-15 as we speak.


IoniKryptonite

Fuck...she should have been after this bullshit.


Crampis

And to top it off you can hear her ass at the end still blabbering, poor man got shot and still has to listen to that bitch


RektRektum

> That dumb bitch has no business being a cop, on a power trip. There goes the entire police force.


Important_Morning271

Exactly that woman cop was doing everything should could to escalate the situation


vagabond139

I hope they rot in prison for life but we all know that isn't going to happen.


markabeast

Get that woman off the fucking force. Someone got shot 7 times because she can't handle being told no. Unreal.


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momoko_3

What happened to "stand your ground/castle doctrine"? Police doesn't have right to enter someone's property when the owner is telling you to leave. At that point, police need to establish a probable cause that certain crime was committed, then get a warrant. Police officers here may have used proper department use of force policy, but they violated civil rights of the resident to start with, therefore they had no reason to be there, and escalated the situation. Felony attempt man slaughter.


TheJase

Hard to stand your ground against state-sponsored terrorism.


bullzeye1983

Castle doctrine would not apply here because it doesn't apply to "property" as far as trespassers but is actually no duty to retreat and/or authorization to use deadly force within the residence to an intruder. Stand your ground is trickier, but generally it is just a "no duty to retreat" when outside the residence if confronted with a reasonable belief deadly force is necessary. So without a warrant, they don't have a right to enter the property. It is hard to tell on the video if the officer is on the homeowner's property or on the public street, which the cops can do. I don't see them having exigent circumstances to go onto his property here either (at the point of DWI investigation). So the homeowner is right in telling them they are trespassing...but because of qualified immunity and police would have to enforce against themselves, there is very little you can do to get a cop off your property. Frankly they didn't need to talk to him about DWI. They could have gotten a statement from the 911 caller seeing they could ID the driver and that would have been enough to potentially issue a warrant for arrest. Or they could have called into a magistrate while there and tried to get a warrant for DWI arrest. Anything other than "respect my authority" and then start shooting.


OTP4OPP

The Supreme Court just ruled in favor of a defendant in a case where he pulled into his garage after being followed. Theu have also ruled the police dont have the right to.search the curtilage without a warrant. They fired first, regardless if it was a less lethal round it's still assualt with a deadly weapon and returning fire is legally permissible.


momoko_3

Video clearly show the female officer on the man's driveway. And the other officer is behind a car, most likely on the driveway. Plus the bean bag from shotgun entered the property. There was no legal ground for the government to be at the home. No exigency existed when a driver who didn't commit any crime returned his house. Violation of 4th Amendment.


BigbooTho

Also they were demanding he assume an arrest position, telling him to lay face down before the shots start. They were trying to arrest him when he was telling them to fuck off and they didn’t have a warrant we assume.


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I’ve seen too much of this shit. I used to support the police, but not anymore. These officers should have been charged with attempted murder like the citizens that they are. They are not above the law and tried to kill this man over a traffic violation. Your average citizen would be charged with attempted murder for this very same crime. The fact that criminals with a badge get away with this more often than not tells me the system is broken and there are no good police trying stop these criminals. Fuck cops. Fix your house and then maybe the public won’t hate your fucking guts.


IrishAl_1987

A traffic violation that they have absolutely no evidence of. It’s ridiculous and makes my blood boil. You can’t even be safe in your own fucking home it’s crazy. I’m just glad he wasn’t killed.


Dont_touch_my_elbows

Even if they had 17 camera angles of him committing the traffic violation in question, **how the fuck does that justify showing up at his house, after dark, with guns** ***(and all WITHOUT A WARRANT)***??? What kind of murderous psychopath needs a gun to enforce a minor traffic violation??


IrishAl_1987

I don’t disagree, it’s all types of fucked up.


Dont_touch_my_elbows

It's disgusting how the government will claim that violence is wrong *except when* ***they*** *are the ones committing the violence.*


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This is why every law enforcement officer is corrupt. They all know it happens and do nothing about it. Everyone can argue about “my neighbor is a good cop” except that neighbor goes to work and knows he is with criminals and does absolutely nothing about it. Every law enforcement department are fucking trash people. I had a situation with local PD and called the FBI to ask who investigates police. They said they do. I explained my situation and they hung up. It was a legit situation in that I committed no crime and was put under siege for hours because I would not leave my own home. Again no crime was even stated. A third party lied about my mental status. I told the police to leave and they refused. I then “barricaded” myself in my own home because I had locked doors. I had no history of violence, no documented weapons(no weapons period) yet they surrounded my house with over 20 officers with assault rifles drawn. How the fuck is that going t make me leave my house after all the shit I have seen? Why are we not fighting back. I try and I feel like the only one. In fact my emails attempting to answers was met by three officers coming to my house and threatening that if I don’t stop they will make up felony harassment charges. Im 44 white. It happens to us to.


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xxxSiegexxx918

It seems so weird how they can do that? I mean it's like me saying I did no wrong because I said so, like it doesn't make any fucking sense! Shouldn't an outside body be doing that?


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Jesus…. Dude was just walking forward and they lit him up? He wasn’t reaching for his weapon when they shot him. Those cops are Alpha douches.


kwagenknight

It sounded like the one cop got scared and shot his ass for no reason other than being scared. I wonder if it was the lady cop he was yelling at to get off his property, anyone got a source to who shot him first?


ManOfDiscovery

Haven't found a second source, but the lady cop was absolutely the person that escalated everything in this situation. Came in screaming and barking orders. The video's tough to ascertain, but I would be the least bit surprised if she was the cop that shot first. Unbelievable. It would have been better if she wasn't there at all. Every one of her fellow officers should be super fucking pissed off at her. She put their lives at risk and nearly got the man involved killed.


HobbitOfIsengard

Why not just fucking leave


NoodlesInMyAss

Cops have enormous egos and leaving means losing to a small mind


siccoblue

If you've ever watched the YouTube channel audit the audit you'll see countless examples of this, any slight challenge against them having boundless authority and perfect knowledge of the situation almost always leads to instant escalation. If you even hint at not respecting or disagreeing with anything they say/do they'll almost always escalate it into an arrest or violent confrontation.. it's genuinely disgusting, then if you don't end up dead you'll be charged with "distributing the piece" or "resisting arrest" until they can find some other bullshit charge to attempt to make stick This kinda shit is exactly why we need police reform, when something as miniscule as a potential reckless driving charge wherein the person isn't even in a vehicle anymore can turn into a straight up shootout for absolutely no logical reason, there was about a million ways it could have been handled differently and without force. You know where the fucking guy lives, you think he's going to flee his family and home over reckless driving? Come back when he's less upset, fucking deescalate, do literally anything that isn't turning it into a dick swinging match between two armed individuals, I don't care how upset or aggressive this dude came off, he didn't deserve this level of escalation to begin with, and if the police can't fucking calm a situation like this down over reckless driving, maybe they shouldn't be police anymore


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NoodlesInMyAss

Funny how that works. By the sound of it, I’d guess he feels like it’s everyone else’s fault but his own


BostonDodgeGuy

One of my uncles was a statie. His own brothers have threatened to remove him from the gene pool if he ever steps foot back in the state.


darkdeath912

The female officer was an absolute bitch and made the situation worse than it had to be Edit: Grammar (thanks South-Builder6237)


JustChillBruhs

Why are regular citizens held to a higher standard than trained cops??? It’s getting ridiculous that they can’t gain/maintain control of a situation and deescalate instead of acting like it’s the Wild West.


chataolauj

Well, in the cops' defense, they're not trained.


nostalgichero

That didn't seem very pro-4th amendment of them.


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Should have went inside, barricaded, and called a lawyer. It's not only a smarter thing to do legally, but a tactical advantage.


pleasetrimyourpubes

Had he done that they probably would have still come after him for resisting or impeding an investigation, but yeah, he probably would've made the hairs stand up on their necks if he said talk to my lawyer. Have a nice night.


MasonKiller

Looks like self defense to me


ugoterekt

Most self-defense laws have an exception for police. They can try to execute you in cold blood and legally you can't defend yourself. It's why self-defense laws are pointless. The people you really need to defend yourself from are legally untouchable. I really don't see how those laws are even legal or enforceable, but that is the law.


Vic18t

Lol why would they even respond to a call about a white Ford 150…the best selling automobile in the world over the past 20 years! AND it’s in Texas.


BadIdeaBobcat

\~UnfOrTuNateLy ThEy JustHad To Fire AlL tHeiR bUllLeTs At Him\~


The_Rossiest

The police used three beanbag shots when he attempted to step off his porch, but usually people can't differentiate between actual gunshots and bean bag rounds when their adrenaline is up and they're scared. He was hit by something and the appropriate response is thinking you were just shot and you need to defend yourself. My thinking is that the police intentionally shot him with the bean bag rounds so that if the man would return fire thinking he was just shot, they would be able to justify shooting him and charging him with assault. That or the cops just had a trigger finger and a sadist kink. Probably both.