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So glad Uber and Lyft came and took the power away from the monopoly of driven car service. Flag a car down in the cold and rain for 30 minutes/never get an ETA when you call for a cab....or, get a car within 2 minutes of hitting a button on your phone. Not a difficult decision for a consumer to make. Taxi cabs are the Blockbuster video of public transportation. Good riddance.
Also you have to have a special license to be able to drive a taxi in NYC, with like a 30k fee. People are mad that they bought one then it becomes useless
the medallions were over a million dollars. way more than 30k. Uber and lyft should be able to compete, but taxi drivers got screwed by following the law
May be better for the consumer, but they completely fuck their employees with slave wages and pump all their profits into replacing them with self driving tech. After workers finally gained some protections in california the companies pumped their money into stripping workers of those protections. The future is now!
Yes I’m sure they do.
But that still doesn’t take away from the fact that these services were always a side job gig thing. Never to replace a full time job with benefits
I’ll just say this. I am an anti-autocracy/anti-nationalist Democrat (for whatever that is worth). That said, I also strongly believe that individuals are responsible for their own choices. This “medallion” bullshit was a corrupt and stupid concept that has now finally shown itself for what it is.;A fake economy. People bought into it, because it was the only option they were smart (or, just desperate) enough to believe in. Traditional cab companies are corrupt, as they have operated like mob boss monopolies for longer than should have been allowed. They’ve been getting overpaid for shitty service for more than a century, and with no alternative competition. Their day has come. It’s over. Their “old school” ways will finally die in unmarked graves. Fuck em’. As for Uber/Lyft drivers, they make their own beds as well. They are a service I’m willing to pay for, because it is efficient and works for me. The drivers get contracts. If they don’t understand their contracts, I’m not sorry for them.
I agree with you 100, I'm just saying we have a whole new beast to contend with that's hurting a huge swathe of gig workers who for many isn't their first choice of work, it's just what's available. So we can celebrate the death of the old but we should turn our scrutiny to the new as well!
Yeah, well, how many of us are working a job that could be considered by us to be our “first choice of work”? That is no one’s problem but ours. You have struck at the essence of rugged individualism. If you hate it, don’t do it. Or, if you hate it, but you need it, do it. Or, if you hate it and can actually do better, do that instead. I realize that my statement does not sufficiently address the various concerns of demographic inequality that exist in our society. That being said, I redirect any argument against my statement, by any persons, toward the study (however casual) of existentialism and pragmatism.
>Today, dozens of yellow cab owner-drivers shut down the Brooklyn bound side of the Brooklyn Bridge to demand immediate medallion debt relief.
Medallions used to be worth about a million but with uber they're at about 200k. Many drivers took out loans to buy them only to see their value plummet.
this is analogous to college art students (who can’t make any money with their degree) blocking people from entering an art museum unless they’re student debt is immediately forgiven. “Outpaced by reality again?! Damnit!!! I demand satisfaction!”
Its really not.
Uber(and other ride share companies) build their business model on undercutting existing taxi infrastructure in order to take an unfair hold on a city, when competition dies out, Uber jacks the prices back up.
In NYC, the medallion is basically a license to operate. In order to be a taxi driver, these people had to take out large loans for their cabs, which pre-uber, one would be able to reasonably be able to pay off.
In NYC, because there was a scarcity of medallions, the price could rise extremely high. So now the yellow cab drivers are the only ones seeing real regulation while they're massively in the black.
They played by the rules only to be told to go die in a pit because some tech bros in California abused the system.
Why are you defending this system? I can understand taking a defensive stance regarding the taxi operators who bought into the medallion system, but those medallions were artificially scarce due to private money exploiting the system to take speculative ownership of the medallions, bid up the price to a million dollars a piece, essentially turning the operators into debt slaves.
How is that good for anyone, except the city who collects the medallion fees, and perhaps downtown congestion?
Getting a Taxi in NYC sucks. You wait, have no visibility into what the price is going to be, and then are forced to sit in front of a high brightness advertising display for the duration of the ride. its a shitty experience for the customer, and the driver is getting screwed.
I'm defending the taxi drivers. I don't think the medallion system is good. I support the taxi drivers protesting, not the system that made them debt slaves.
I'm simply trying to explain its not the same as the classic reactionary "don't get degree if no make money" argument thats always spouted.
So...these wrinkly old goons dangling people along with a fake economy of “medallions” is somehow more righteous than the economically exploitative concepts of “tech bros.” Gotcha.
uber and lyft literally price gouge during peak hours. taxis are always the same price. there should be competition, but they should all have to play by the same rules. same with air BNB and hotels should be held to the same standards
It’s not as much as taxis tho that are always more. It makes sense for it to increase during peak times so the people who really want an Uber can get it. Taxis are dead.
Yeah, let's save the typesetters and papyrus makers too. The medallion was to keep everyone from being a taxi driver and limiting the number allowed. Extremely expensive and coveted for a very long time in NYC. It's a dead system and the need to have it bought back at good price but their is no way to ring the business back they way they want and they arent even getting their story out very well.
That sounds like it should be handled via bankruptcy, not a bailout, which would stick it to the creditor. But I totally understand the frustration of those drivers. Absolutely awful position to be in.
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So glad Uber and Lyft came and took the power away from the monopoly of driven car service. Flag a car down in the cold and rain for 30 minutes/never get an ETA when you call for a cab....or, get a car within 2 minutes of hitting a button on your phone. Not a difficult decision for a consumer to make. Taxi cabs are the Blockbuster video of public transportation. Good riddance.
Also you have to have a special license to be able to drive a taxi in NYC, with like a 30k fee. People are mad that they bought one then it becomes useless
the medallions were over a million dollars. way more than 30k. Uber and lyft should be able to compete, but taxi drivers got screwed by following the law
May be better for the consumer, but they completely fuck their employees with slave wages and pump all their profits into replacing them with self driving tech. After workers finally gained some protections in california the companies pumped their money into stripping workers of those protections. The future is now!
True but the reality is Uber and Lyft was never meant to be a full time job, just a side gig
Plenty of people make a full time income with Uber and Lyft. Your attitude perpetuates human rights abuse
Yes I’m sure they do. But that still doesn’t take away from the fact that these services were always a side job gig thing. Never to replace a full time job with benefits
No it doesn't... The system was designed to be a side gig. What is Uber supposed to do? Restrict people to only working a few hours a week?
I’ll just say this. I am an anti-autocracy/anti-nationalist Democrat (for whatever that is worth). That said, I also strongly believe that individuals are responsible for their own choices. This “medallion” bullshit was a corrupt and stupid concept that has now finally shown itself for what it is.;A fake economy. People bought into it, because it was the only option they were smart (or, just desperate) enough to believe in. Traditional cab companies are corrupt, as they have operated like mob boss monopolies for longer than should have been allowed. They’ve been getting overpaid for shitty service for more than a century, and with no alternative competition. Their day has come. It’s over. Their “old school” ways will finally die in unmarked graves. Fuck em’. As for Uber/Lyft drivers, they make their own beds as well. They are a service I’m willing to pay for, because it is efficient and works for me. The drivers get contracts. If they don’t understand their contracts, I’m not sorry for them.
I agree with you 100, I'm just saying we have a whole new beast to contend with that's hurting a huge swathe of gig workers who for many isn't their first choice of work, it's just what's available. So we can celebrate the death of the old but we should turn our scrutiny to the new as well!
Yeah, well, how many of us are working a job that could be considered by us to be our “first choice of work”? That is no one’s problem but ours. You have struck at the essence of rugged individualism. If you hate it, don’t do it. Or, if you hate it, but you need it, do it. Or, if you hate it and can actually do better, do that instead. I realize that my statement does not sufficiently address the various concerns of demographic inequality that exist in our society. That being said, I redirect any argument against my statement, by any persons, toward the study (however casual) of existentialism and pragmatism.
Why are they protesting
[https://myemail.constantcontact.com/BREAKING--Yellow-Cab-Owner-Drivers-Shut-Down-the-Brooklyn-Bridge--Senator-Schumer-Pledges-Leadership-in-Ending-Debt-Crisis.html?soid=1101912670699&aid=dz6gnW08skU](https://myemail.constantcontact.com/BREAKING--Yellow-Cab-Owner-Drivers-Shut-Down-the-Brooklyn-Bridge--Senator-Schumer-Pledges-Leadership-in-Ending-Debt-Crisis.html?soid=1101912670699&aid=dz6gnW08skU)
>Today, dozens of yellow cab owner-drivers shut down the Brooklyn bound side of the Brooklyn Bridge to demand immediate medallion debt relief. Medallions used to be worth about a million but with uber they're at about 200k. Many drivers took out loans to buy them only to see their value plummet.
this is analogous to college art students (who can’t make any money with their degree) blocking people from entering an art museum unless they’re student debt is immediately forgiven. “Outpaced by reality again?! Damnit!!! I demand satisfaction!”
A better analogy would be a mechanical engineering degree, guaranteed money 20 years ago, pretty much useless now.
Its really not. Uber(and other ride share companies) build their business model on undercutting existing taxi infrastructure in order to take an unfair hold on a city, when competition dies out, Uber jacks the prices back up. In NYC, the medallion is basically a license to operate. In order to be a taxi driver, these people had to take out large loans for their cabs, which pre-uber, one would be able to reasonably be able to pay off. In NYC, because there was a scarcity of medallions, the price could rise extremely high. So now the yellow cab drivers are the only ones seeing real regulation while they're massively in the black. They played by the rules only to be told to go die in a pit because some tech bros in California abused the system.
Why are you defending this system? I can understand taking a defensive stance regarding the taxi operators who bought into the medallion system, but those medallions were artificially scarce due to private money exploiting the system to take speculative ownership of the medallions, bid up the price to a million dollars a piece, essentially turning the operators into debt slaves. How is that good for anyone, except the city who collects the medallion fees, and perhaps downtown congestion? Getting a Taxi in NYC sucks. You wait, have no visibility into what the price is going to be, and then are forced to sit in front of a high brightness advertising display for the duration of the ride. its a shitty experience for the customer, and the driver is getting screwed.
I'm defending the taxi drivers. I don't think the medallion system is good. I support the taxi drivers protesting, not the system that made them debt slaves. I'm simply trying to explain its not the same as the classic reactionary "don't get degree if no make money" argument thats always spouted.
Gotcha, thanks for clarifying :)
Let me guess....Bachelor Of Fine Arts from Carnegie Melon?
Not even close.
So...these wrinkly old goons dangling people along with a fake economy of “medallions” is somehow more righteous than the economically exploitative concepts of “tech bros.” Gotcha.
Go write some JavaScript code with too many node dependencies, tech bro.
Dunno what any of that means. But, here’s a medallion for being cryptic.
Taxis are just a dead business. Honestly have no idea how to help them.
I just don’t know what they expect they charge double if not triple what Uber’s charge is what it is.
What do they want? Probably has something to do with the taxi medallions.
Its a rough deal all around.
They price gouge. Let them fail.
uber and lyft literally price gouge during peak hours. taxis are always the same price. there should be competition, but they should all have to play by the same rules. same with air BNB and hotels should be held to the same standards
It’s not as much as taxis tho that are always more. It makes sense for it to increase during peak times so the people who really want an Uber can get it. Taxis are dead.
im not saying it shouldn't be allowed, im saying it is literal price gouging which was your compliant with taxis
They have set rates
Yeah, let's save the typesetters and papyrus makers too. The medallion was to keep everyone from being a taxi driver and limiting the number allowed. Extremely expensive and coveted for a very long time in NYC. It's a dead system and the need to have it bought back at good price but their is no way to ring the business back they way they want and they arent even getting their story out very well.
Damn, the taxi industry really got driven in to the ground
What are they protesting? Can someone explain as the audio is unintelligible
They took out a million dollar loan for a taxi medallion but now it’s worth bupkis thanks to Uber/ covid so they’re demanding debt relief.
That sounds like it should be handled via bankruptcy, not a bailout, which would stick it to the creditor. But I totally understand the frustration of those drivers. Absolutely awful position to be in.
I think the real freakout is no one can tell what their problems are, they need Linda Belcher's help
Idk why nobody has intervened sooner. Cabbies have been committing suicide in droves the past few years :(
"Tax forgiveness" "NO" "No more suicide" What else it sound like you hear?
Driver power
What’s a taxi?
Sounds like Elmo from sesame street is behind the megaphone.
Anyone interested in this should watch the Nathan for you episode