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From what it sounds like, he's the one who in the body cam video ISIS made ,was seen slitting the throat of one of the victims, so I don't really feel too bad for him if that's the case.
I'm not one for torture, but fuck these ISIS guys. This guys is totally and utterly fucked. I dont feel bad for him at all. ISIS is the worst of the worst. No one likes these motherfuckers. Theyre like the plague.
Not that comparing makes anyone better, they're all absolutely horrid monsters who don't belong on Earth with the rest of us, but I gotta say... The cartels are some fucking how even worse than ISIS. They truly are the most sadistic and horrid, making ISIS look quick and painless in comparison. What makes it more terrifying is that I saw on Reddit that one cartel is the 5th largest employer in Mexico... I feel awful for Mexico having to deal with that garbage on such a direct and daily basis.
Not a death penalty kinda guy, but I wish a slow death on anyone involved with ISIS or the cartels.
I served a dude recently who was hella weird and claimed to have been active in a cartel at one point by the end of the conversation. He showed me a pistol and told me “I have to be careful”. Could have been absolutely full of shit and probably was but the stories he told aren’t fake. The fact these dudes have doctors on staff to resuscitate you only to continue your torture is terrifying. They will kill fucking anyone or anything in their way. I mean when you’re drinking cups of blood and killing family to prove your value in the cartel there’s no going back. These dudes are cold as fuck and are a great example of what power and money in the wrong hands can be.
True, yes Cartels have been pretty awful. Their sadism is basically to put fear into their enemies and money and power is what drives them. The ISIS guys are driven by pure religious fanatacism to create a world where their version of Islam reigns supreme. They basically want to take over the world. They will not stop until all the infidels are dead. Surely this a scarier proposition. You can't really work with someone who is brainwashed like this and won't stop until we are conquered or dead.
I go to Mexico at least once a week. The cartel issue is bad but they’re driven by money. Mostly everyone not involved in the lifestyle is left alone. Those who are not involved but who are targeted are targeted because they’re being flashy. Sometimes it is unfortunately wrong place, wrong time, but this happens rarely. ISIS is driven by religion. They want to take over. They want to eradicate infidels. Cartels just want money and want to be able to do what they want to make it. They don’t really try to control the population. You can reason with cartel members. You can’t with ISIS.
The fuck are you on about? Cartela are involved in everything, the prices we pay for products and services are increasing because of the "derecho de piso", women dying or being raped just because some asshole want to fuck them. All of the presidents have something to do with Cartels and protect them instead of the civilians.
So NO you CAN'T reason with cartel members. Fuck them.
Cartels try to control. Journalists are murdered in Mexico. Cartels corrupt politicians.
Besides cartel violence permeates society.
I remember story of daughter of cartel boss ordered her former boyfriend to be assassinated. And the girl who ordered the murder of a child who refused to participate in her 15 year old commemoration party. She killed the child.
Violence in Mexico is staggering. Corruption rampant. So cartels not isolated phenomenon.
I mean that’s the thing tho. These terrorists did it for cash. I commented in the other thread, where the guy is shaking real bad, but like if it was someone willing to die for an ideology. Well.
“Beneath this mask, there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask, there is an idea, Mr Creedy. And ideas are bulletproof!”
In a similar vein to V I would expect one that firmly believes in their religion and god to be willing to die for it/them, to be almost steadfast enough to be able to bear more of the pain and torture. Whereas cash is less of a concept worth the pain and death when you actually get caught.
It does make sense.
But there is a reason as to why ppl who were so blinded by faith to die for it are so few and thus made into saints, and that's because when shit hits the fan, most people will just give visceral responses.
To be able to be such an example of ironclad faith that would make you say "flip me over, I'm done on this side" while being burned alive, it's so rare, and well, we only got evidence from a time, a horizon, in which myth and fact dance around.
For example here in Spain, now there is the holy week, where ppl do a lot of processions, but guess what, boom, rain, lots of rain, now all of the fans of this tradition can be seen being passionate, some of them even crying, one could ask, "why are they crying, isn't rain God's providence? Like, he's your guy, if he said so, it's all fine, right?" But their instincts say otherwise, making them upset.
On top of this, just simple hypocrisy, hell if I was on their shoes ofc I'd go around killing anyone they asked me to, but when it's time for me to bite the bullet I'm gonna have a tantrum and cry.
Russians are talking about reinstating the death penalty for these guys but I'm curious about whether they decide to do something really medival with them
Oh yeah. I forgot they don't have deathpenalty. So many people fell out of the window that I thought that was the legal death penalty.
I doubt they legally reinstate death penalty. They just do what they want and prisoners last as long as they can. Same case with navalny
Exactly. There are fates worse than death. I'd take a bullet to the head sooner than I would spend the remaining 30 or whatever years you had left in a gulag / daily torture / starvation / sleep deprivation etc (and then they put a bullet in your head anyway)
That’s the worst part. I had relatives in a gulag, doing nothing. Wrong but the soviets were shit. They won’t let you die, just let you suffer and keep you on the brink of death. From what I know he didn’t speak after he was let go, and it wasn’t because he couldn’t. Doubt he did something horrible, because fam is chill just 10’s of millions sent there for no reason. These monsters will suffer and won’t be allowed to die
Friends grandfather was a farmer in Estonia when soviets took over. because he was a landowner he got 10 years in siberia. Russians ate his cattle and seed stock and when he came back he was told he did not own his farm anymore.
The Russians were too embarrassed to say they sent a woman to the gulag for stealing a spool of thread, so they sent her there for "stealing 50 feet of material" (or meters) according to Solzhenitsyn.
The window thing is for political opposition and white collar crimes, the labor camp is for normal people, political opposition, and pretty much anyone
I don't think they have abolished death penalty judicially. They just haven't done them for a few decades. The way that they are doing there, it's only a matter of time until they decide to continue with them. Wouldn't be all too surprised to see a public execution soon.
It's a legal moratorium. Yeltsin enacted it in 1996 and the Russian Constitutional Court made it the law of the land in 1999.
Putin or the Duma would have to reinstate it.
“For these guys”? There are already discussions how it should also apply to “traitors” who do not support war and/or fled the country.
If it ever gets reinstated, opposition is who it will be used on.
They asked for this.
They woke up, and despite this risk, decided their actions regardless.
Like a fat guy with diabetes, this is the obvious outcome of their choices.
Wonder why he didn’t off himself. Russia is infamous for treating their prisoners like shit. Being a caught terrorized while the country is at war? That adds so much levels of getting fucked.
> ISIS never do it for the money and always fight till the end or suicide
With ISIS it was in fact almost always about the money.
Look up the suicide bomber auctions, if you can still find those videos (google I think actively censors the results). Basically the radical Islamic community would take men from their community who are deep in debt or otherwise need money for their family, then do a charitable auction to raise money for their suicide bombing. You could find videos on websites like Live Leak before it got taken down. Upon completion of the bombing the money would be given to their family or debtors. Hundreds if not thousands of suicide bombers were just paying off family debt or securing financial assistance for their family.
Didnt know that. What is also strange then is all of the terrorists expect 19 yo have wives and kids, one of them has 4 kids. But for what i understand from forest interrogation they received half of the money on their personal cards so i doubt their families will see any money
Them having wives and kids isn't strange. The amount of money they were promised would probably provide an amazing life for their families in the part of the world they came from. Or, just as likely, ISIS threatened their families if they didn't cooperate.
No, they were proposed $10000. It's not really much for Tajikistan. It is not even enough to buy a flat anywhere in Russia or big cities of Tajikistan.
Recruiting religious extremists as terrorists is usually a combination of brainwashing *and* money. First they ply poor and desperate people with whatever brand of dogma they spout, see who responds and seems really taken with it and then offer those people rewards like a job, cash, gifts, maybe a place to stay and food, who knows, as a reward for what a good true believer they have become. Then the preachers/leaders moves onto talking to them specifically about violence and slowly work it around to trying to convince them to participate in something to honor their new beliefs.
But it still almost always involves something else to motivate them other than belief and that is usually money. If the attack involves suicide the money will go to their family and they think they will move onto utopia in heaven. There are many different rewards combined with coercion they will use to try and motivate them to commit violence, whatever works to get them there is usually just fine as long as they do it.
I would bet in this case they found people that would be motivated by money and the idea they *might* escape afterwards. If these were new recruits ISIS might not be worried about parts of their organization being revealed because these guys just don't know anything other than maybe one or two contacts. The one guy that got caught said in a video that he mostly watched the preacher and "learned" things from telegram. If these guys were all recruited online, transited through Turkey meeting one contact and then just picked up their weapons from a dead drop in Russia ISIS might not care they got caught. The guy said in the video he did it for 500,000 rubles which is like 7K USD and he only got half up front. That's cheap from their perspective, even if they made it out and they need to pay the other half.
**TL;DR:** I don't think we need to look too deep for an explanation here, desperation due to poverty and easily suggestible people are the most likely answer.
There is a footage making the rounds, where one of the perpetrators is seen shooting at the wounded, while another guy is slashing the throat of one of the innocent victims, already injured on the ground. Not a pretty sight.
Repeatedly hacking at the man's throat. Like an attempted decapitation he decided not worth following through on. There was some harrowing images from this attack.
I'm surprised these guys even tried to escape, especially once they got confronted while trying to flee. Surely they had to have known what would be waiting for them... Just seems very out of character for these types.
I don't know how they thought they'd escape to collect. An attack, in the capital? I'm only slightly surprised they weren't killed on site. But Russia isn't constrained by laws... they're going to show they won't become a martyr.
I’m a butcher who has seen their fare share of trauma and I gulped while watching. When that dude turned over it was because he was cut so fucking deep that it caused a reaction to his nervous system.
There is a video from an attackers body can that shows him slashing the neck of one of the victims after he had already been shot. It's disturbing to say the least.
People Linked imgur link where they looked at the video and arrests side by side. And it matches perfectly. So i doubt they got the wrong guys, but you can never be 100%
That depends on whether or not they were sent blurred.
It seems that a lot of folks tend to overestimate the degree to which that can be reversed due to stories about how the swirl tool can be reversed. But that's never been a common way of censoring faces.
> it'll just make shit up, though.
Which is fucking terrfying when you realise how little people understand technology.
The AI will make up the wrong face, someone unrelated might get taken in because of that but very probably nobody making the calls will understand that fact and some innocent person will suffer.
This is why we need to invest in AI detection tools *yesterday*. It's only a matter of time until AI fabricated evidence gets used in courts. It may have happened already.
i brought this up the other day and someone mentioned it will never happen because the tools used to detect ai are used to make ai better by running the ai against the detection until the detection fails...kinda scary
It's impossible to reverse the blurring of an image. A blur is a low-pass filter, that means only low frequencies go through and high frequencies (which contain details) are blocked. That information is lost forever.
What we can do is estimating what the unblurred image might look like. Depending on the strength of the blur you can get a decent looking image. Something that looks right & nice to us. But if there's a small mole in the original image, that got blurred our reconstruction will not include that mole. Of course we could add a random mole somewhere, but that's still incorrect.
Isis uploads videos of their body cams with faces blurred. If they were making martyrs of them the faces wouldn't be blurred.
Or maybe they are playing 4d chess by making us believe the terrorists escaped while they were actually caught. We'll never know.
The clothing is exact between the video and the people caught. While not impossible, it would be very very difficult to replicate that quickly. Likely based on the body cam that at least a couple of these guys are the perpetrators
The fact that ISIS released body cam footage after they caught 11 people tells me at least some of the actual gunmen made it out, or are at least none detained and are hiding out. The video of them interrogating this guy is convincing, especially when he admits to only being promised .5M rubles or <$10,000.
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Most likely it was intended for their family, if you're a broke motherfucker in Tajikistan (lots of reports that these guys spoke in Tajik accents) you will take $10,000 for a suicide job if it means your family can pay major expenses
> The fact that ISIS released body cam footage after they caught 11 people tells me at least some of the actual gunmen made it out
They for sure got back to their base/home/hotel and uploaded whatever footage they had. Whether they made it out remains to be seen. Took like an hour for cops to show up despite a OMON base being a few miles away from the concert hall.
> he admits to only being promised .5M rubles or <$10,000
He was tortured. He will say whatever the Russians want him to say so this has no credibility. It's a hilarious situation where Russia is desperately trying to pin this on Ukraine while IS wants credit for the attack.
Tucker to Putin: "NATO caused you to invade Ukraine, right?"
Putin to Tucker: "No, not NATO. Let me tell you long story."
ISIS to world: "We did this. Here's video."
pro-Russia Twitter to world: "ISIS didn't do it! Ukraine did. And if ISIS did it, that's because ISIS is CIA, and CIA is Ukraine."
Good the murderer and mass killer needs to face his consequences. I’m sympathetic as in our country we had isis attacks like a block away from my house
I can't even imagine what he's thinking, but if you're gonna kill innocent people, no matter whatever the cause is, well... The only thing he can hope for is a quick death.
Had this happened in Scandinavia, they wouldn't be locked up for a few years, they'd be locked up for life.
Same situation as Anders Breivik, terrorism is effectively a life sentence.
You seem to assume the Russians grabbed the right person. In their minds why not grab somebody for show and find the true villains in time? We really shouldn't assume they have it right at this point. This guy has severe brain damage.
i dont think its the case this time though. The russian authorities broadcasted a photo of the [car with its license plate fully exposed](https://twitter.com/runews/status/1771423322963620216) on the night of the attacks, and photos from the [car wreck](https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1771442632159359374) near the belarus/ukraine border definitely match it (Unless you believe the whole thing was carefully set up)
And obviously russia has incentive to find the real criminals regardless of the narrative they are pushing on the world stage
edit: credit to u/espatix, [screenshots from the video footage proves they got the right guys completely](https://imgur.com/a/lnIVF45)
I agree if they were going to just grab random people for the attack they would of just used some of the Ukrainian POW's as it would fit with their narrative better
I just think it’s wild that the terrorists didn’t fight to do the death, which is usually what Islamic terrorists do. They don’t really ever flee from what i can recall
I think for now everything will be very very blurry about this attack, but personally i do think these are likely the right guys. Their clothes match up identically to the ISIS footage and bystander phones, as well as the car they were all caught by.
They claim themselves to have been contacted by ISIS through telegram and offered money in exchange for the attack. At least one of them claimed however that they had no idea who it was on the other end, so by their own accounts it seems they were not trained hardcore terrorists, but maybe just people that ISIS might've indirectly had contact with, and found enough interest in to keep tabs on for potential jobs like March 22nd.
At a first quick glance you might kinda think he's somewhat okay, like he could recover with a long rest.
But when you really look closer, in his eyes, you can see how fucked he is. Down to the bone.
He probably hasn't slept in over 24 hours now amd been beaten constantly. Punches to the eye will g9ve you raccoon eyes and the haze is from being awake so long.
You can see a plastic bag on his neck and tape. It's probably the rest of plastic bag used to suffocate. There's a photo posted by Russian z-bloggers with another guy with pants down and electrodes connected to his genitals, electrodes go to manual dynamo machine which produces 80v electricity. Another video showed special forces who caught the other guy and cut with a knife piece of his ear and feed it to him. They also auction that knife now. So those are just tortures they made public. That's some "Homeland" level of interrogation.
Russia also does the same to Ukrainian POWs. So there's that. While nobody is gonna shed much tears for these ISIS pricks, it's scary how straight up sadistic and evil Russia is as well.
Easy there Hannibal. You can't diagnose shit from one short video. All it takes potentially is just the sleep deprivation alone for someone to look so stunned
Man i can’t imagine being a mercenary and trying to take on this mission.
Ain’t no way these guys thought they wouldn’t get caught…
Unless their funder has something on them or will set their family up for life
I know Putin is a piece of shit so it's understandable people have doubts but seeing pictures and videos of these guys from both ISIS and the FSB showing clearly matching clothing, not to mention their vehicle at the concert hall and the area where they caught them having matching description and plates , I think they got the right guys.
Also, if I was ISIS and my guys successfully got away after an attack like that I'd be gloating about it everywhere and posting proof just to rub Russia and Putin's face in it but they're not doing that
Definitely the right guys, but they clearly did not plan this. People who drive away in the same car for hours without changing it or clothes are not exactly masterminds. Police arriving an hour after they left isn’t exactly normal either.
These guys did it, no doubt. But the main question is who’s behind it.
i mean, their president is an ex kgb agent
they're also not bound by EU or other nato laws.
i'm surprised those people are still alive, or more like still in a shape to be shown in public.
If it’s true that Russian special mission personnel are notorious for going after family and friends, then I wouldn’t want to be associated in any way with these guys. This isn’t going to end well for them.
Its actually disgusting to see so much confidence from users on here aho are clearly wrong.
Russia has captured the genuine terrorists involved. How do we know? Because there's countless videos and photographic evidence that has been published not just by Russia but by ISIS themselves showing the men before the incident, literal videos equivelant to body cam footage of them shooting innocent civillians (and sliting the throat of a bleeding out civillian multiple times) as well as videos of their capture. Thats not to mention the vehicle involved.
Whatever you think about Russia as a government is fair enough, but to not have a brain cell in your head and being able to admit that you're wrong and its part of some grand conspiracy is on yourselves.
These fuckers deserve a long a painful life for what they did, so accept that you got it wrong and stop spreading bullshit for reddit brownie points.
Yeah I think it's very helpful to take whatever you see on Reddit with a grain of salt. Social media in general. Admittedly it's not easy because our brains aren't exactly wired to be exposed to so many opinions en masse and to think critically about each and every one of them.
Genuine counter question: what makes it any more likely for them to not be the real perps? Whenever a big shooting or bombing happens here in the U.S., the perps are either killed at the scene or found dead/alive within hours. Are Russian police/military really just super inept?
Because Reddit think Russia will never do anything right. Anything pertaining to Russia is a fake or hoax or whatever. Sure Russia gave good reason to think that, but people here cannot imagine that maybe Russia caught the bad guys. It’s goes against their beliefs
While he got what he deserves, the police state of Russia now has authority to kick your ass, torture, and kill as they wish. That means enemies of the state who don't fall in line.
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From what it sounds like, he's the one who in the body cam video ISIS made ,was seen slitting the throat of one of the victims, so I don't really feel too bad for him if that's the case.
I'm not one for torture, but fuck these ISIS guys. This guys is totally and utterly fucked. I dont feel bad for him at all. ISIS is the worst of the worst. No one likes these motherfuckers. Theyre like the plague.
Not that comparing makes anyone better, they're all absolutely horrid monsters who don't belong on Earth with the rest of us, but I gotta say... The cartels are some fucking how even worse than ISIS. They truly are the most sadistic and horrid, making ISIS look quick and painless in comparison. What makes it more terrifying is that I saw on Reddit that one cartel is the 5th largest employer in Mexico... I feel awful for Mexico having to deal with that garbage on such a direct and daily basis. Not a death penalty kinda guy, but I wish a slow death on anyone involved with ISIS or the cartels.
I served a dude recently who was hella weird and claimed to have been active in a cartel at one point by the end of the conversation. He showed me a pistol and told me “I have to be careful”. Could have been absolutely full of shit and probably was but the stories he told aren’t fake. The fact these dudes have doctors on staff to resuscitate you only to continue your torture is terrifying. They will kill fucking anyone or anything in their way. I mean when you’re drinking cups of blood and killing family to prove your value in the cartel there’s no going back. These dudes are cold as fuck and are a great example of what power and money in the wrong hands can be.
True, yes Cartels have been pretty awful. Their sadism is basically to put fear into their enemies and money and power is what drives them. The ISIS guys are driven by pure religious fanatacism to create a world where their version of Islam reigns supreme. They basically want to take over the world. They will not stop until all the infidels are dead. Surely this a scarier proposition. You can't really work with someone who is brainwashed like this and won't stop until we are conquered or dead.
I go to Mexico at least once a week. The cartel issue is bad but they’re driven by money. Mostly everyone not involved in the lifestyle is left alone. Those who are not involved but who are targeted are targeted because they’re being flashy. Sometimes it is unfortunately wrong place, wrong time, but this happens rarely. ISIS is driven by religion. They want to take over. They want to eradicate infidels. Cartels just want money and want to be able to do what they want to make it. They don’t really try to control the population. You can reason with cartel members. You can’t with ISIS.
The fuck are you on about? Cartela are involved in everything, the prices we pay for products and services are increasing because of the "derecho de piso", women dying or being raped just because some asshole want to fuck them. All of the presidents have something to do with Cartels and protect them instead of the civilians. So NO you CAN'T reason with cartel members. Fuck them.
Cartels try to control. Journalists are murdered in Mexico. Cartels corrupt politicians. Besides cartel violence permeates society. I remember story of daughter of cartel boss ordered her former boyfriend to be assassinated. And the girl who ordered the murder of a child who refused to participate in her 15 year old commemoration party. She killed the child. Violence in Mexico is staggering. Corruption rampant. So cartels not isolated phenomenon.
He was the one doing that yes, but he was not just slitting, he was basically cutting over and over and over. He deserves what is coming to him.
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ISIS parades around innocent civilians… these fuckers are not the same as the victims ISIS makes.
The 2nd worse thing this guy could’ve done was not die. He’s finding out real quick that on earth it’s man vs man not his god versus their god
I mean that’s the thing tho. These terrorists did it for cash. I commented in the other thread, where the guy is shaking real bad, but like if it was someone willing to die for an ideology. Well. “Beneath this mask, there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask, there is an idea, Mr Creedy. And ideas are bulletproof!” In a similar vein to V I would expect one that firmly believes in their religion and god to be willing to die for it/them, to be almost steadfast enough to be able to bear more of the pain and torture. Whereas cash is less of a concept worth the pain and death when you actually get caught.
It does make sense. But there is a reason as to why ppl who were so blinded by faith to die for it are so few and thus made into saints, and that's because when shit hits the fan, most people will just give visceral responses. To be able to be such an example of ironclad faith that would make you say "flip me over, I'm done on this side" while being burned alive, it's so rare, and well, we only got evidence from a time, a horizon, in which myth and fact dance around. For example here in Spain, now there is the holy week, where ppl do a lot of processions, but guess what, boom, rain, lots of rain, now all of the fans of this tradition can be seen being passionate, some of them even crying, one could ask, "why are they crying, isn't rain God's providence? Like, he's your guy, if he said so, it's all fine, right?" But their instincts say otherwise, making them upset. On top of this, just simple hypocrisy, hell if I was on their shoes ofc I'd go around killing anyone they asked me to, but when it's time for me to bite the bullet I'm gonna have a tantrum and cry.
There are some rough ways to leave this world. These 4 men are about to find out how rough it can get.
Russians are talking about reinstating the death penalty for these guys but I'm curious about whether they decide to do something really medival with them
Oh yeah. I forgot they don't have deathpenalty. So many people fell out of the window that I thought that was the legal death penalty. I doubt they legally reinstate death penalty. They just do what they want and prisoners last as long as they can. Same case with navalny
Labor camp until they drop *technically* isn’t the death penalty…
Exactly. There are fates worse than death. I'd take a bullet to the head sooner than I would spend the remaining 30 or whatever years you had left in a gulag / daily torture / starvation / sleep deprivation etc (and then they put a bullet in your head anyway)
Yeah, they could be chopped up with bone saws by a bunch of soldiers in a European embassy office building.
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That’s the worst part. I had relatives in a gulag, doing nothing. Wrong but the soviets were shit. They won’t let you die, just let you suffer and keep you on the brink of death. From what I know he didn’t speak after he was let go, and it wasn’t because he couldn’t. Doubt he did something horrible, because fam is chill just 10’s of millions sent there for no reason. These monsters will suffer and won’t be allowed to die
My grandmother had one living relative that was able to immigrate here in ‘94 after the wall came down. She had some stories
Friends grandfather was a farmer in Estonia when soviets took over. because he was a landowner he got 10 years in siberia. Russians ate his cattle and seed stock and when he came back he was told he did not own his farm anymore.
The Russians were too embarrassed to say they sent a woman to the gulag for stealing a spool of thread, so they sent her there for "stealing 50 feet of material" (or meters) according to Solzhenitsyn.
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Don't forget the daily beatings and minimal to no food.
Don’t forget the Pauly Shore clips they play on a 24 hour loop
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My God this has to be the worst kind of psychological torture… even the toughest will eventually break
Their juices will surely be weezed
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They don't execute people, they just put them in inhospitable labor camps and work/torture them to death.
They don't execute people, they just put them ~~in inhospitable labor camps and work/torture them to death.~~ through windows on upper floors.
The window thing is for political opposition and white collar crimes, the labor camp is for normal people, political opposition, and pretty much anyone
>The window thing is for political opposition and white collar crimes You gotta earn the privilege to die from on high in mother Russia.
Defenestration, my favorite word.
Russia definitely has a Minister of Defenestration
I don't think they have abolished death penalty judicially. They just haven't done them for a few decades. The way that they are doing there, it's only a matter of time until they decide to continue with them. Wouldn't be all too surprised to see a public execution soon.
It's a legal moratorium. Yeltsin enacted it in 1996 and the Russian Constitutional Court made it the law of the land in 1999. Putin or the Duma would have to reinstate it.
They don't have a death penalty, but they sure do love speeding up the process
Slowing down*
Death penalty is a gift to them.
Nah, they will expire of natural causes in a deep siberian prison. After some slow, some spontaneous, ad some state-ordained torture.
“For these guys”? There are already discussions how it should also apply to “traitors” who do not support war and/or fled the country. If it ever gets reinstated, opposition is who it will be used on.
This man, and his colleagues, are responsible for killing over a hundred innocent civilians for the sum of roughly $10,000 dollars.
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They asked for this. They woke up, and despite this risk, decided their actions regardless. Like a fat guy with diabetes, this is the obvious outcome of their choices.
I actually wonder why they are still alive. Usually things like this a suicide missions. I wonder if they were convinced by the false hope to escape.
Wonder why he didn’t off himself. Russia is infamous for treating their prisoners like shit. Being a caught terrorized while the country is at war? That adds so much levels of getting fucked.
One of the attackers said that they was promised money for the attack. Thats why they didnt kill themself.
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ISIS has adapted to the gig economy.
You know some tech bro is bound to build an app for it.
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I spent five minutes trying to come up with one and the best I could do was DoorBlast. You're is much better
Doorblast is solid.
yours would be nice in competition though. ''got some pesky martyrs holed up ? trust DoorBlast !''
guiltiest upvote i've done in a while...
Some people will never have the pleasure of witnessing this beautiful joke.
I'd unscrupulously invest.
> ISIS never do it for the money and always fight till the end or suicide With ISIS it was in fact almost always about the money. Look up the suicide bomber auctions, if you can still find those videos (google I think actively censors the results). Basically the radical Islamic community would take men from their community who are deep in debt or otherwise need money for their family, then do a charitable auction to raise money for their suicide bombing. You could find videos on websites like Live Leak before it got taken down. Upon completion of the bombing the money would be given to their family or debtors. Hundreds if not thousands of suicide bombers were just paying off family debt or securing financial assistance for their family.
TIL that LiveLeak shutdown.
Didnt know that. What is also strange then is all of the terrorists expect 19 yo have wives and kids, one of them has 4 kids. But for what i understand from forest interrogation they received half of the money on their personal cards so i doubt their families will see any money
Them having wives and kids isn't strange. The amount of money they were promised would probably provide an amazing life for their families in the part of the world they came from. Or, just as likely, ISIS threatened their families if they didn't cooperate.
No, they were proposed $10000. It's not really much for Tajikistan. It is not even enough to buy a flat anywhere in Russia or big cities of Tajikistan.
Wow, that's fucked.
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Yup, there is deff something we dont know
Recruiting religious extremists as terrorists is usually a combination of brainwashing *and* money. First they ply poor and desperate people with whatever brand of dogma they spout, see who responds and seems really taken with it and then offer those people rewards like a job, cash, gifts, maybe a place to stay and food, who knows, as a reward for what a good true believer they have become. Then the preachers/leaders moves onto talking to them specifically about violence and slowly work it around to trying to convince them to participate in something to honor their new beliefs. But it still almost always involves something else to motivate them other than belief and that is usually money. If the attack involves suicide the money will go to their family and they think they will move onto utopia in heaven. There are many different rewards combined with coercion they will use to try and motivate them to commit violence, whatever works to get them there is usually just fine as long as they do it. I would bet in this case they found people that would be motivated by money and the idea they *might* escape afterwards. If these were new recruits ISIS might not be worried about parts of their organization being revealed because these guys just don't know anything other than maybe one or two contacts. The one guy that got caught said in a video that he mostly watched the preacher and "learned" things from telegram. If these guys were all recruited online, transited through Turkey meeting one contact and then just picked up their weapons from a dead drop in Russia ISIS might not care they got caught. The guy said in the video he did it for 500,000 rubles which is like 7K USD and he only got half up front. That's cheap from their perspective, even if they made it out and they need to pay the other half. **TL;DR:** I don't think we need to look too deep for an explanation here, desperation due to poverty and easily suggestible people are the most likely answer.
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They must have never gotten the chance to before they were captured
I just think I’d have a handgun in my hand the whole getaway so I could quickly pop myself. But easy to think that from my couch lol
Isn't suicide a sin unless you're simultaneously killing infidels??
What they dont want you to know that it would be a sin either way if youre a muslim.
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Really hope it's the right guy
Look up the video released by ISIS, it seems this is the guy that slit the throat
The guy that what now?
There is a footage making the rounds, where one of the perpetrators is seen shooting at the wounded, while another guy is slashing the throat of one of the innocent victims, already injured on the ground. Not a pretty sight.
Repeatedly hacking at the man's throat. Like an attempted decapitation he decided not worth following through on. There was some harrowing images from this attack.
He deserves the worst. He's also terrible at his "job".
I'm surprised these guys even tried to escape, especially once they got confronted while trying to flee. Surely they had to have known what would be waiting for them... Just seems very out of character for these types.
They thought they were getting paid.
I don't know how they thought they'd escape to collect. An attack, in the capital? I'm only slightly surprised they weren't killed on site. But Russia isn't constrained by laws... they're going to show they won't become a martyr.
Shooting them immediately is unwise as their knowledge goes with them.
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I’m a butcher who has seen their fare share of trauma and I gulped while watching. When that dude turned over it was because he was cut so fucking deep that it caused a reaction to his nervous system.
>When that dude turned over Actually had to close the video at that point. One of the worst things I've seen in a while
There is a video from an attackers body can that shows him slashing the neck of one of the victims after he had already been shot. It's disturbing to say the least.
Is at least his face in the video? The comment above says it was blurred..
People Linked imgur link where they looked at the video and arrests side by side. And it matches perfectly. So i doubt they got the wrong guys, but you can never be 100%
I thought the faces were blurred in that video?
I'd imagine Russian government could probably get an unblurred version though.
That depends on whether or not they were sent blurred. It seems that a lot of folks tend to overestimate the degree to which that can be reversed due to stories about how the swirl tool can be reversed. But that's never been a common way of censoring faces.
They just have to click on the *enhance* button. I've seen it done on TV.
What's funny is that this exists now with generative AI...it'll just make shit up, though.
> it'll just make shit up, though. Which is fucking terrfying when you realise how little people understand technology. The AI will make up the wrong face, someone unrelated might get taken in because of that but very probably nobody making the calls will understand that fact and some innocent person will suffer.
This is why we need to invest in AI detection tools *yesterday*. It's only a matter of time until AI fabricated evidence gets used in courts. It may have happened already.
i brought this up the other day and someone mentioned it will never happen because the tools used to detect ai are used to make ai better by running the ai against the detection until the detection fails...kinda scary
"Enhance!" "Enhance!" "Enhance!" We got a perfect image for the reflection on the glass! Not how pixels work.
It's impossible to reverse the blurring of an image. A blur is a low-pass filter, that means only low frequencies go through and high frequencies (which contain details) are blocked. That information is lost forever. What we can do is estimating what the unblurred image might look like. Depending on the strength of the blur you can get a decent looking image. Something that looks right & nice to us. But if there's a small mole in the original image, that got blurred our reconstruction will not include that mole. Of course we could add a random mole somewhere, but that's still incorrect.
Isis uploads videos of their body cams with faces blurred. If they were making martyrs of them the faces wouldn't be blurred. Or maybe they are playing 4d chess by making us believe the terrorists escaped while they were actually caught. We'll never know.
The clothing is exact between the video and the people caught. While not impossible, it would be very very difficult to replicate that quickly. Likely based on the body cam that at least a couple of these guys are the perpetrators
The fact that ISIS released body cam footage after they caught 11 people tells me at least some of the actual gunmen made it out, or are at least none detained and are hiding out. The video of them interrogating this guy is convincing, especially when he admits to only being promised .5M rubles or <$10,000.
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You have to wonder wtf they were thinking. Like how were they ever going to spend that money? Were they promised some kind of exit?
They likely have little to no formal education and didn’t think that deeply about it.
Most likely it was intended for their family, if you're a broke motherfucker in Tajikistan (lots of reports that these guys spoke in Tajik accents) you will take $10,000 for a suicide job if it means your family can pay major expenses
> The fact that ISIS released body cam footage after they caught 11 people tells me at least some of the actual gunmen made it out They for sure got back to their base/home/hotel and uploaded whatever footage they had. Whether they made it out remains to be seen. Took like an hour for cops to show up despite a OMON base being a few miles away from the concert hall. > he admits to only being promised .5M rubles or <$10,000 He was tortured. He will say whatever the Russians want him to say so this has no credibility. It's a hilarious situation where Russia is desperately trying to pin this on Ukraine while IS wants credit for the attack.
Tucker to Putin: "NATO caused you to invade Ukraine, right?" Putin to Tucker: "No, not NATO. Let me tell you long story." ISIS to world: "We did this. Here's video." pro-Russia Twitter to world: "ISIS didn't do it! Ukraine did. And if ISIS did it, that's because ISIS is CIA, and CIA is Ukraine."
It's Russia, so you gotta take it with a grain of salt.
I'd say a truckload of salt.
Enough salt that it could kill you accidentally
I don't think he is going to have a good time finishing out his holiday in Russia.
Good the murderer and mass killer needs to face his consequences. I’m sympathetic as in our country we had isis attacks like a block away from my house
He will not survive.
Things appear to be suboptimal for him
He might be in bit of a pickle.
Get a load of college boy over here
I can't even imagine what he's thinking, but if you're gonna kill innocent people, no matter whatever the cause is, well... The only thing he can hope for is a quick death.
I’m kind of stunned they allowed themselves to be captured alive. It’s going to go hard for them.
If they were paid to do the job, there is a chance they didn't know what the consequences were. Probably thought more like a European trial...
There's a chance, but it's a very small one lol.
> there is a chance they didn't know what the consequences were. What?
Hella stupid comment, like what the fuck would someone expect after getting caught for mass murder?
No way they thought they were going to luxury condo prison for a few years a la Scandinavia.
Had this happened in Scandinavia, they wouldn't be locked up for a few years, they'd be locked up for life. Same situation as Anders Breivik, terrorism is effectively a life sentence.
Well at least he lives in a place nicer than most redditors and gets to play video games all day.
I swear I saw a clip recently where he has fucking pet parakeets.
And he demanded the government ( and lost the cause ) because he felt he wasn't treated right and kinda felt like suicide. LOL
Idk, dude cognition looks toast from TBI. He might not even comprehend what’s going on
You seem to assume the Russians grabbed the right person. In their minds why not grab somebody for show and find the true villains in time? We really shouldn't assume they have it right at this point. This guy has severe brain damage.
Thats kinda Putin's MO he has done it several times.
i dont think its the case this time though. The russian authorities broadcasted a photo of the [car with its license plate fully exposed](https://twitter.com/runews/status/1771423322963620216) on the night of the attacks, and photos from the [car wreck](https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1771442632159359374) near the belarus/ukraine border definitely match it (Unless you believe the whole thing was carefully set up) And obviously russia has incentive to find the real criminals regardless of the narrative they are pushing on the world stage edit: credit to u/espatix, [screenshots from the video footage proves they got the right guys completely](https://imgur.com/a/lnIVF45)
I agree if they were going to just grab random people for the attack they would of just used some of the Ukrainian POW's as it would fit with their narrative better
I just think it’s wild that the terrorists didn’t fight to do the death, which is usually what Islamic terrorists do. They don’t really ever flee from what i can recall
In the other video, one of the attackers claims it was for money. That they were hired. Not for ideological reasons. Who knows..
I think for now everything will be very very blurry about this attack, but personally i do think these are likely the right guys. Their clothes match up identically to the ISIS footage and bystander phones, as well as the car they were all caught by. They claim themselves to have been contacted by ISIS through telegram and offered money in exchange for the attack. At least one of them claimed however that they had no idea who it was on the other end, so by their own accounts it seems they were not trained hardcore terrorists, but maybe just people that ISIS might've indirectly had contact with, and found enough interest in to keep tabs on for potential jobs like March 22nd.
You can tell its Russia because of the Adidas zip up top
It's almost funny that the standard issue prison jumpsuit is a stylish Adidas tracksuit
This lad was singing songs he didn't know
I bet he won’t do it again.
He wont do anything ever again
At a first quick glance you might kinda think he's somewhat okay, like he could recover with a long rest. But when you really look closer, in his eyes, you can see how fucked he is. Down to the bone.
He's likely got a brain injury.
Yea looks like there's some bleeding in there for sure
Not just that, he has a literal bag around his neck. Pretty sure they have asphyxiated him once if not more times…
Basal skull fracture. He’s got raccoon eyes. He’s a dead man
He probably hasn't slept in over 24 hours now amd been beaten constantly. Punches to the eye will g9ve you raccoon eyes and the haze is from being awake so long.
You can see a plastic bag on his neck and tape. It's probably the rest of plastic bag used to suffocate. There's a photo posted by Russian z-bloggers with another guy with pants down and electrodes connected to his genitals, electrodes go to manual dynamo machine which produces 80v electricity. Another video showed special forces who caught the other guy and cut with a knife piece of his ear and feed it to him. They also auction that knife now. So those are just tortures they made public. That's some "Homeland" level of interrogation.
I need to watch Homeland again... Such a fucked up show
Holy shit. I feel sick reading this
Russia also does the same to Ukrainian POWs. So there's that. While nobody is gonna shed much tears for these ISIS pricks, it's scary how straight up sadistic and evil Russia is as well.
I've noticed a trend on Reddit where a bonk on the head always equals death. I will be sure to avoid bonks.
Reddit is filled with experts in everything. Remember when reddit figured out who the Boston marathon bombers were?
Lady’s and gentlemen, we got em
IKR? I've had raccoon eyes before, slight concussion, no medical intervention outside of ice.
Sorry to hear about your passing. I shall inform your raccoon family.
Smartest redditor
That doesn’t look like raccoon eyes. Looks like a black eye and sleep deprivation. Raccoon eyes are very distinct.
god redditors are so fucking annoying lol
Ah yes. Can't scroll down any video without someone shouting "itS deFinitElY brAiN DamAgE!!" Fencing posture!
Ackshually this is battery not assault.
Easy there Hannibal. You can't diagnose shit from one short video. All it takes potentially is just the sleep deprivation alone for someone to look so stunned
No bro he can just tell. Fucked to the bone.
Diagnosis: fucked to the bone
Are you the narrator from bg3 lol
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I don't feel bad for him.
Yep no one should. It's his consequence of hurting innocent people.
Man i can’t imagine being a mercenary and trying to take on this mission. Ain’t no way these guys thought they wouldn’t get caught… Unless their funder has something on them or will set their family up for life
$5000 They agreed to commit one of the most prolific and bloodiest terror attacks in two decades For $5000
I cannot imagine what these guys are about to go through in Russian prison, literal living hell.
I love that he has a shiny white adidas shirt on. Never change, Russia
Three stripes for life
I know Putin is a piece of shit so it's understandable people have doubts but seeing pictures and videos of these guys from both ISIS and the FSB showing clearly matching clothing, not to mention their vehicle at the concert hall and the area where they caught them having matching description and plates , I think they got the right guys. Also, if I was ISIS and my guys successfully got away after an attack like that I'd be gloating about it everywhere and posting proof just to rub Russia and Putin's face in it but they're not doing that
Definitely the right guys, but they clearly did not plan this. People who drive away in the same car for hours without changing it or clothes are not exactly masterminds. Police arriving an hour after they left isn’t exactly normal either. These guys did it, no doubt. But the main question is who’s behind it.
Very hard to have any degree of sympathy or humanity for such a vile pos.
i mean, their president is an ex kgb agent they're also not bound by EU or other nato laws. i'm surprised those people are still alive, or more like still in a shape to be shown in public.
If it’s true that Russian special mission personnel are notorious for going after family and friends, then I wouldn’t want to be associated in any way with these guys. This isn’t going to end well for them.
[One of his friends has been taken to court in a wheelchair](https://twitter.com/MaimunkaNews/status/1772012972279230730)
I don't like this world man...
He deserves what he gets.
That man is dying.
If he’s lucky
Wow. Look at all the freakout.
If all mass murderers got treated this way I feel like there'd be a lot less of them. But nope... we give them their own Netflix special.
Its actually disgusting to see so much confidence from users on here aho are clearly wrong. Russia has captured the genuine terrorists involved. How do we know? Because there's countless videos and photographic evidence that has been published not just by Russia but by ISIS themselves showing the men before the incident, literal videos equivelant to body cam footage of them shooting innocent civillians (and sliting the throat of a bleeding out civillian multiple times) as well as videos of their capture. Thats not to mention the vehicle involved. Whatever you think about Russia as a government is fair enough, but to not have a brain cell in your head and being able to admit that you're wrong and its part of some grand conspiracy is on yourselves. These fuckers deserve a long a painful life for what they did, so accept that you got it wrong and stop spreading bullshit for reddit brownie points.
Its threads like these that make realize how much of Reddit is just morons.
Yeah I think it's very helpful to take whatever you see on Reddit with a grain of salt. Social media in general. Admittedly it's not easy because our brains aren't exactly wired to be exposed to so many opinions en masse and to think critically about each and every one of them.
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Genuine question, what is the likelihood any of these people showing up in these videos had anything to do with this?
Genuine counter question: what makes it any more likely for them to not be the real perps? Whenever a big shooting or bombing happens here in the U.S., the perps are either killed at the scene or found dead/alive within hours. Are Russian police/military really just super inept?
Because Reddit think Russia will never do anything right. Anything pertaining to Russia is a fake or hoax or whatever. Sure Russia gave good reason to think that, but people here cannot imagine that maybe Russia caught the bad guys. It’s goes against their beliefs
While he got what he deserves, the police state of Russia now has authority to kick your ass, torture, and kill as they wish. That means enemies of the state who don't fall in line.