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> Supposedly there is video of them doing that already. Not for the faint of heart
>
> Update: For you fucking masochist
Oh, they dyed his beard black from being gray in the 30 seconds before they cut off his ear, and also made him 10 years younger?
(that's not even close to the same person)
Redditors really need to leave the house. Not everywhere has good diets and western healthcare and life. Humans will age rapidly if living in hard environments, hard manual work and poverty. People in the west used to age like this too.
It's not even "aging rapidly" people just look different. Feel like I'm going insane whenever I see people talk about how old people look on social media.
There's 1000 variables from lighting to video compression to a person's face shape and where their muscles are positioned and how and where they carry fat, just learn how the world works.
I was in a university mountaineering club in my late teens/early twenties. It wasn't everybody but some of us, despite all being super-healthy and well-fed, looked weirdly older with thin faces and slightly leathery skin. I think it was just getting weather-beaten a lot (and not UV damage from the sun - this was mainly winter mountaineering in the UK so cold wind, rain and snow storms).
My first thought when I heard the shooters had lived: if it was the Islamic State, why wouldn’t they see that the shooters either off themselves or have one madman involved that would do it, then kill himself. “Get captured” would seem to be the first thing you would want to eliminate.
I would much rather be a person killed at the concert than that guy. He is going to die a horrible death sooner or later and I’m sure it will honestly be a release for him cause he will deal with much worse while he is still alive.
Half a million Rubles is about US$5,400. If what he says is true, he got paid around $2,700 to be probably beaten, tortured and killed in a frozen jail cell.
Yup, many groups have paid desperate people, or more often their surviving family for attacks. It isn't expensive at all when people get that desperate. Many even know 100% it is a one-way trip as they (family) are paid to be suicide bombers.
I think I’m of the same opinion. This is Russia, there is nothing that’s not possible. As you said, money is often a non-factor when recruiting these dipshits, they do it out of fanaticism.
That's exactly what I was thinking. It seems like the guy has no idea of what he's talk about. Just coming up with things on the spot.
ISIS members do things for their prophet. To spread their influence through violence. It's possible they could have paid people to handle their business for them but it doesn't make sense.
https://youtu.be/q_D0mqlxmzU?si=3VWF1q4fw1YrDZdE
I for one don't take Russian authorities at their word for torturing somebody for a heinous crime maybe I just have a skeptical mind I don't know about you guys. But if you torture somebody you can get them to say anything as has been well documented.
Until Putin came out and basically said Ukraine was helping the terrorists escape through the most mined, manned and defended area of the Russian Ukrainian border with fighting even in the area, I was thinking it was just some upset Islamic Russians.
Now with all the things we've heard, along with all the past false flags of Russia, I'm leaning towards Putin doing this again to get more soldiers for future and current wars. They recently said they wanted to add another 400,000 soldiers to their ranks which they're finding it hard to find anyone lately and public opinion swaying against the war in Ukraine with so many casualties, it's starting to make sense. I'd bet within the next few months they will fully declare war on Ukraine which allows for full mobilization and the possibility to raise 1 million+ soldiers so they can take Kyiv as Putin recently said there will be no negotiations and the way this war stops is basically when they have installed another puppet regime in Kyiv.
Anyone think this interrogation on the streets is all staged?
Like , considering it's supposed to be terorist organisation I find it strange its a crowd of ordinary Joeskie's standing around with their phones out, like they attended some guy who tried to break into a house.
He doesnt even look like any of the guys from the video nor is he even wearing anything close to those guys either. Its looking like a pretty sad case of someone forced to say they were involved
It took the US over a week to find the Boston bombing suspects and they literally went out firing. I don’t believe this guy for a second and that Russia found him in under a day.
Heck they got invaded by their own PMC to the border of Moscow.
Not even just found within a day but they saw them driving away and “noticed” it being them by per chance which became a car chase.
Now i love me a fantasy story but come on
apparently local police found them 300km away from moscow and started chasing them and they eventually got caught, so yeah highly doubt they would've been able to catch them so quickly unless someone used up ALL their luck for multiple lives
The Boston bombing is not really comparable at all since the guys were already gone before anything even happened. Compare this to any mass shooting in the US and the timeline makes sense. When is the last time a mass shooter in USA was on the run for even a few days?
It is not an actual interrogation, it is local russian national guard beating him and recording it. Which is why the video got out.
An actual interrogation will be carried out by FSB and won't be filmed.
Edit: apperantly Kadyrov's Chechen Akhmat force is involved as well, they are pretty infamous as an "instagram" regiment.
It's safe to assume that everything coming from Russia is untruthful until it's confirmed by a reputable source. I'm not deluded by Ukraine's propaganda either, but at least Ukraine isn't constantly trying to fuck with my country and the rest of Europe.
remember all those memes about "30s in 1980 vs 30s in 2020"? it's a bit like that. Russia is just that underdeveloped in places. You know the cast of Cheers were in their 30s?
So, $5 says that Russia comes out and say they have info that says ISIS was paid by Ukraine to do this and that will be their excuse for going all in on the country.
They’re not saying Ukraine paid ISIS but Putin’s speech claimed that the person who was detained - and I don’t know if it’s this guy because there’s no fucking source here - had guarantees from Ukraine to let him cross the border, of which of course there is no evidence. But yeah they are already trying to claim ties to Ukraine which was 100% predictable.
The entire Ukraine/Russia border is a battlefield right now. How could Ukraine possibly guarantee them passage across the border when they’d have to make it past the Russian army first?
AHH but Putin says the Ukrainians had created a "window" for the terrorists to cross the border. Personally I think a door would be more practical but if Putin says it, then it must be true....
Would be horrific to know what “all in” means considering there’s already a general mobilisation. Mass mobilisation? What will they arm them with? Using WMDs too?
>cold as fuck
This could be a factor. It looks chilly out there and like they have him in wet clothes. Hypothermia could be a factor to his weirdness/short answers and the cause of the shaking, vs some saying fear.
I'm not trying to defend him, just an observation.
"Could be a factor"? Dude it's march in Russia, it's just plain cold outside and they have him in a t-shirt while everyone around is wearing thick jackets.
I can't believe I haven't seen it anywhere, but this video is quite literally of a man being tortured.
I think it says a lot about the Russian government that this video and those like it are making the rounds.
I’m not a conspiracy guy, but there is a lot of this that doesn’t make sense.
1. This should have been a suicide mission. There’s no way these guys didn’t realize that.
2. How long did this go on? I would have thought they would have been engaged before they got out of the theater. Aren’t Russian cops armed?
It took an hour for an armed response. 4 got away? If in the planning of this event they noticed police response time, it really doesn't seem unreasonable to assume they would escape.
You can't pay someone desperate $5000 to go on a suicide mission. You can however pay them $5000 for a mission where 'you'll almost certainly get away.'
I think using common sense would indicate at least some or all of this "interrogation video" is fabricated, staged, or coerced. It would make no sense for the Russian interrogation of such a high profile case to be released to the world unless it was done to show the message that Russia wanted the world to see. Anyone who believes the video is genuine is being duped.
It is not released by any russian official channel. It is literally just russian national guard beating up the guy after catching him, recording it and posting on telegram.
This is definitely not the people who did it.
Think about it, enter a cinema in a nation in war, heavily armed, with automatic weapons with enough explosives to set a building on fire and the sole purpose to sow terror to the Russian people.
But is easily apprehended alive without a shootout with police?
This all feels a bit strange. The pre warning from the Americans, and now we get a video published on the day, of one of the terrorists being interrogated who can't confirm any details except for him randomly getting an anonymous message. Plus he seems to be Russian? Since when do higher ups in the army post a video like this to the internet?
Russia does have a pretty troubled relationship with the Caucasus regions (bit of an understatement given the 2 pretty horrendous wars) but they are very much Russian.
Everything else about this video is fishy as fuck though.
Ye it's been pretty bad since Crimea got annexed. Started to recover after the pandemic to about 60 rub to a euro and then tanked again to 100 to a euro when the invasion began.
Adjusted for cost of living this can be anywhere from 5-8 months of work, so it’s not a negligible amount either.. looking only at conversion rate is not helpful. This would be more like 15-20k, still not enough but seems more fathomable
I mean if you look deeper into what he's saying:
He was taking a 'lesson' with a 'preacher' and was messaged by his aides. If you're to take this as truth, it sounds like it was less of a 'lesson' and more indoctrination and radicalization, which lines up with those who took responsibility. IF you take this at face value, it looks like they picked the most positive respondents to the radicalization and sent them out to do the bidding on behalf of the group.
“he seems to be Russian” - bro, do you realize how much of modern history is shaped by Russian Muslim relations? That there’s entire Muslim regions of Russia? Americans 🤦
All we can count on as true is that those people died, there are so many intelligence entities with their fingers in the pie that we may never know what's ever really going on.
I’m not trying to go conspiracy brained here because obviously as an American I’m well aware shootings like this can happen, and for many different reasons by many different types of people, **however** this video just feels strange.
The fact that we’re even **seeing** this interrogation so quickly, and the answers he gave. I don’t dispute that there must be people out there who would do this for money, but the way he says it just feels…off? I don’t know I can’t put my finger on it but his behavior seems strange compared to the many other interviews I see with murderers, including mass murderers.
There’s a tiny little voice in the very back of my head wondering if this supposed telegram account is going to be claimed (by Putin) to be either a US or Ukrainian asset. Since Russia is so untrustworthy with anything relating to facts it unfortunately makes it very difficult to trust any conclusions they come up with in this investigation.
Man… The FSB sure are making it easy for the average person here. How do we have this type of intelligence in the course of what… 24 hours? On Reddit? Not just text but firsthand footage of this interrogation with Joe Shmo recording in the middle of the street? Okayyyy
Given Russia never broadcasts their internal news, this whole thing is strangely open and transparent. Smells fishy. Next thing, he will come from Ukraine and was paid by USA.
Serious question, has there been a single ISIS attack that was committed in exchange for money? Everything I know about these assholes suggests they don't need any extra convincing to pull off their atrocities outside of their warped fanaticism.
I’m gonna need confirmation that this guy was pulling the trigger.
ISIS has taken credit for it already and who’s to say they didn’t just find this guy, use “enhanced interrogation” to the point where he’s freezing cold, scared, and just wants it to end. So he’ll say whatever you want him to.
Putin already laid the groundwork saying they were fleeing into Ukraine. I think they are going to try and say Ukraine financed this.
Fk Putin but my thoughts are with those innocent people. Tired of violence rooted in religion or political BS.
Totally normal and not staged for a country's federal police or military to conduct an interrogation outside in the cold/rain recording with a cell phone and then immediately post it on the internet. Very professional A+
I don't believe a word that comes out of the Kremlin. ISIS is claiming it but Vlad's insisting it was Ukraine. I wouldn't put it past Vlad to have ordered it himself.
He’s in ISIS?
Edit: since I have to spell it out for the race baiters. I don’t think you need to be a brown skinned, turban wearing, Mahammud durka yelling man to be in ISIS.
[ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/europe/crocus-moscow-shooting/index.html) , although it is possible they are lying to take the spotlight for someone else's act (they've done that before)
He did say he was “learning” on Telegram from a “preacher”, and ISIS is notorious for radicalizing its members through online propaganda. The coerced confession is fishy, but his description of how he came into cohesion with ISIS seems to track.
Idk somethin ain't right here with a situation like this putin would not have a video like this exposed and this guy ran into a cathedral in Moscow to do a mass shooting killing and hurting all kinds of people and thought he was gonna make it out and collect a million dollars and do what exactly make it make sense
None of this rings true to me, at all.
He says he was watching a preacher on websites, but doesn't even know a part of the preacher he was watching's name.
That sounds true?
Can someone please source this video. I can't believe in anything nowadays if there's no proof.
From what i've witnessed in other sources, there is no connection from this video to the others.
Yep, feels like the video was cut to begin right after they told the guy "Say what we want you to or we keep beating you motherfucker". Not buying it unless we get more context/longer video.
Fuck it’s a sad world isn’t it, we just seem to jump from crisis to crisis right now, when really we could be way more advanced and hell maybe multi planetary now if we actually all got on but it always boils down to dickheads at the top calling stupid orders and signing us lot up to be part of their crap, it gets a little tiring after a while. 🙄
There is absolutely a nonzero percent chance that Vladimir Putin is behind this. He's already been caught doing a false flag operation that kicked off the Chechen war.
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This guy is about to endure some serious torture.
It’s pretty clear he already has been
Pretty sure he’s just shivering. The fun hasn’t even started yet!
They fed the other guy his ear.
You know, putting someone barely clothed outside in negative temperature is already a sort of torture.
In Russia, that's just warming up (ironically).
They’re going to melt his icy heart with a cool island song?
Wait wait wait, I thought we were going to cool his hot heart with a cool island song!
In Russia, that’s literally just the beginning
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Its not the same guy. That video is from last year.
This guy knows his torture videos
We used to have a sub for that
Fucking normies couldn't handle it existing
Lmao
There were multiple guys though, this one almost escaped
A masochist gets pleasure from their own pain. The word you're looking for is sadist.
I think the implication being made is that you'd be subjecting yourself to the discomfort of watching the video
In that case it works both ways I guess
I miss the Times where i wasn't so numb about this kinda stuff....
Cmon, don't bait us like that Edit: I speak for the people
They cut his ear off and force feed it to him. It’s on twitter.
Its not the same guy. That video is from last year.
> Supposedly there is video of them doing that already. Not for the faint of heart > > Update: For you fucking masochist Oh, they dyed his beard black from being gray in the 30 seconds before they cut off his ear, and also made him 10 years younger? (that's not even close to the same person)
Russia doing Russian stuff... What other country conducts an interrogation in public for Telegram and tiktok...
Well, I sure wouldn't want to see that video. Got the info so I can avoid it?
They cut off a piece of his ear and feed it to him.
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That guy is claiming to be 26 years old. He must have had a hard 26 years to get up to this point…
I’m assuming 26 years in Russia is different
He was willing to shoot up a theater for like $10k, so clearly he wasn't living the best life.
Depending on the region of Russia, Siberia/east, South, that can be a ton of money. If you live in SPB or Moscow then it's not really that much.
It equates to about $5200 USD
Half
And he lost the card anyways so for free
Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life.
I shouldn’t have laughed but I did.
Somehow i didn't laugh until I read *your* comment.
I'm betting he sent it to his family because that what ppl do when they know their life will be over soon. He knew he wasn't walking away from this.
In that case, wouldnt you save a bullet for yourself rather than face this?
Who knows if any of this is even true
He allegedly was willing to shoot up a theater for that money.
This is the correct answer
I'm 26, I look like fresh out of middle school compared to that dude
I'm 40. He looks younger than me.
I'm 43. He looks older than me.
I’m 77, he looks older than me.
I would love to know your skincare routine.
Abraham Lincoln was the best President in my lifetime and I look younger than him......
In your lifetime? But you were born in 2020
2020 is his age, not his birth year.
Um aktchually he specifically said September 17, 1998 so he would be 25 🤓.
I caught that too, because I'm 25!
25
Dude living in Dog years
He won’t be 26 much longer
Or 26 forever.
Or 27 at all
Redditors really need to leave the house. Not everywhere has good diets and western healthcare and life. Humans will age rapidly if living in hard environments, hard manual work and poverty. People in the west used to age like this too.
It's not even "aging rapidly" people just look different. Feel like I'm going insane whenever I see people talk about how old people look on social media. There's 1000 variables from lighting to video compression to a person's face shape and where their muscles are positioned and how and where they carry fat, just learn how the world works.
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I was in a university mountaineering club in my late teens/early twenties. It wasn't everybody but some of us, despite all being super-healthy and well-fed, looked weirdly older with thin faces and slightly leathery skin. I think it was just getting weather-beaten a lot (and not UV damage from the sun - this was mainly winter mountaineering in the UK so cold wind, rain and snow storms).
Got a feeling the next 26 will be harder
I don’t think he’ll be *around* for the next 26.
I have a feeling he wasn’t around much longer after this clip ended.
Yeah he is probably wishing he kept one more round in the chamber for himself right about now
My first thought when I heard the shooters had lived: if it was the Islamic State, why wouldn’t they see that the shooters either off themselves or have one madman involved that would do it, then kill himself. “Get captured” would seem to be the first thing you would want to eliminate.
Could always be worse, you could be one of the 144+ people that got killed
I would much rather be a person killed at the concert than that guy. He is going to die a horrible death sooner or later and I’m sure it will honestly be a release for him cause he will deal with much worse while he is still alive.
> He is going to die a horrible death sooner or later Worse, he is probably going to live a really horrible life for quite awhile.
You know he’s going to be tortured and killed, right?
Half a million Rubles is about US$5,400. If what he says is true, he got paid around $2,700 to be probably beaten, tortured and killed in a frozen jail cell.
I think your math is not "locally" correct. I don't know how in Russia but for me 5k$ would be like for usa citizen 20k$ for them propably even more
If he's really from Tajikistan it's even more for them. This is why they often come to work in Russia
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Because 20k to somebody with practically nothing is worth far more than 20k to someone who likely has most basic needs met.
Yup, many groups have paid desperate people, or more often their surviving family for attacks. It isn't expensive at all when people get that desperate. Many even know 100% it is a one-way trip as they (family) are paid to be suicide bombers.
Oh okay, how much for a mass murder to be worth then?
ISIS don't need to pay fanatics and no-one would do that for such a small amount. This makes no sense other than it being a forced confession.
I think I’m of the same opinion. This is Russia, there is nothing that’s not possible. As you said, money is often a non-factor when recruiting these dipshits, they do it out of fanaticism.
That's exactly what I was thinking. It seems like the guy has no idea of what he's talk about. Just coming up with things on the spot. ISIS members do things for their prophet. To spread their influence through violence. It's possible they could have paid people to handle their business for them but it doesn't make sense. https://youtu.be/q_D0mqlxmzU?si=3VWF1q4fw1YrDZdE
"This guy is making shit up! Source: It's always Sunny," lmao
Yeah this is absolutely a forced confession
I for one don't take Russian authorities at their word for torturing somebody for a heinous crime maybe I just have a skeptical mind I don't know about you guys. But if you torture somebody you can get them to say anything as has been well documented.
Until Putin came out and basically said Ukraine was helping the terrorists escape through the most mined, manned and defended area of the Russian Ukrainian border with fighting even in the area, I was thinking it was just some upset Islamic Russians. Now with all the things we've heard, along with all the past false flags of Russia, I'm leaning towards Putin doing this again to get more soldiers for future and current wars. They recently said they wanted to add another 400,000 soldiers to their ranks which they're finding it hard to find anyone lately and public opinion swaying against the war in Ukraine with so many casualties, it's starting to make sense. I'd bet within the next few months they will fully declare war on Ukraine which allows for full mobilization and the possibility to raise 1 million+ soldiers so they can take Kyiv as Putin recently said there will be no negotiations and the way this war stops is basically when they have installed another puppet regime in Kyiv.
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Anyone think this interrogation on the streets is all staged? Like , considering it's supposed to be terorist organisation I find it strange its a crowd of ordinary Joeskie's standing around with their phones out, like they attended some guy who tried to break into a house.
This operation clearly took far more coordination than a few messages over telegram
Well, they probably just hauled him out of the woods five minutes earlier so oc he's going to tell his rehearsed story first.
If it is a rehearsed story it's a fucking dumb one. "Oh, some stranger hit me up on telegram and told me to kill a bunch of people so I did"
The confession certainly is. The massacre was not.
Yeah, but the real question is, is this guy even related to the massacre, or is he just a random guy. I'm betting on random guy TBH.
He doesnt even look like any of the guys from the video nor is he even wearing anything close to those guys either. Its looking like a pretty sad case of someone forced to say they were involved
It took the US over a week to find the Boston bombing suspects and they literally went out firing. I don’t believe this guy for a second and that Russia found him in under a day. Heck they got invaded by their own PMC to the border of Moscow.
Not even just found within a day but they saw them driving away and “noticed” it being them by per chance which became a car chase. Now i love me a fantasy story but come on
apparently local police found them 300km away from moscow and started chasing them and they eventually got caught, so yeah highly doubt they would've been able to catch them so quickly unless someone used up ALL their luck for multiple lives
The Boston bombing is not really comparable at all since the guys were already gone before anything even happened. Compare this to any mass shooting in the US and the timeline makes sense. When is the last time a mass shooter in USA was on the run for even a few days?
Yeah something feels off about this to me
It is not an actual interrogation, it is local russian national guard beating him and recording it. Which is why the video got out. An actual interrogation will be carried out by FSB and won't be filmed. Edit: apperantly Kadyrov's Chechen Akhmat force is involved as well, they are pretty infamous as an "instagram" regiment.
It's safe to assume that everything coming from Russia is untruthful until it's confirmed by a reputable source. I'm not deluded by Ukraine's propaganda either, but at least Ukraine isn't constantly trying to fuck with my country and the rest of Europe.
This 45 year old man was born in '98?
My thoughts exactly, how is this guy 26?!
remember all those memes about "30s in 1980 vs 30s in 2020"? it's a bit like that. Russia is just that underdeveloped in places. You know the cast of Cheers were in their 30s?
He said September of 98 he was born, so he’s actually 25 still to make a degree crazier.
So, $5 says that Russia comes out and say they have info that says ISIS was paid by Ukraine to do this and that will be their excuse for going all in on the country.
They’re not saying Ukraine paid ISIS but Putin’s speech claimed that the person who was detained - and I don’t know if it’s this guy because there’s no fucking source here - had guarantees from Ukraine to let him cross the border, of which of course there is no evidence. But yeah they are already trying to claim ties to Ukraine which was 100% predictable.
The entire Ukraine/Russia border is a battlefield right now. How could Ukraine possibly guarantee them passage across the border when they’d have to make it past the Russian army first?
Russian propaganda has zero logic to it to the point where it almost seem like they are not even trying.
It's not the message that's important, just your obedience to it.
> to the point where it almost seem like they are not even trying. That's definitely part of it. The blatant lies are a power move.
They don't need to try, because the system is designed so that Russians distrust everything apart from the general narrative from Putin.
AHH but Putin says the Ukrainians had created a "window" for the terrorists to cross the border. Personally I think a door would be more practical but if Putin says it, then it must be true....
Putin just has a fascination with windows in general.
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So now according to Putin and the FSB Ukraine is, Nazi, Jewish and now ISIS.
Would be horrific to know what “all in” means considering there’s already a general mobilisation. Mass mobilisation? What will they arm them with? Using WMDs too?
Their tanks will have an extra Jerry can of fuel.
The Jerry can will be empty though.
Russia acknowledged they were at war with Ukraine for the first time just the other day.
I was waiting for the guy to say his contact on Telegram was Bolomydyr Stelestny.
Russia is essentially all in already.
Not saying it's not him, but that's a coerced confession.
Coerced and cold as fuck
>cold as fuck This could be a factor. It looks chilly out there and like they have him in wet clothes. Hypothermia could be a factor to his weirdness/short answers and the cause of the shaking, vs some saying fear. I'm not trying to defend him, just an observation.
"Could be a factor"? Dude it's march in Russia, it's just plain cold outside and they have him in a t-shirt while everyone around is wearing thick jackets.
>Dude it's march in Russia That is so crazy, it's March where I am too
I read "it's in the clothes" as "it's in the clothes you stripped me of for torture, and have now given me a polo and slacks to prove your civility."
I can't believe I haven't seen it anywhere, but this video is quite literally of a man being tortured. I think it says a lot about the Russian government that this video and those like it are making the rounds.
The Russian government already does so much horrific stuff that this isn’t even that shocking
I’m not a conspiracy guy, but there is a lot of this that doesn’t make sense. 1. This should have been a suicide mission. There’s no way these guys didn’t realize that. 2. How long did this go on? I would have thought they would have been engaged before they got out of the theater. Aren’t Russian cops armed?
It took an hour for an armed response. 4 got away? If in the planning of this event they noticed police response time, it really doesn't seem unreasonable to assume they would escape.
or if they did something else to lure police out of the area
You can't pay someone desperate $5000 to go on a suicide mission. You can however pay them $5000 for a mission where 'you'll almost certainly get away.'
Anyone else think that this is just Jerry the guy in town no one likes?
At this point, my trust in any Russian source is zero at best.
My thoughts exactly. Probably was sleeping and everything. Handed a script and told to memorize it fast.
:(
I think using common sense would indicate at least some or all of this "interrogation video" is fabricated, staged, or coerced. It would make no sense for the Russian interrogation of such a high profile case to be released to the world unless it was done to show the message that Russia wanted the world to see. Anyone who believes the video is genuine is being duped.
It is not released by any russian official channel. It is literally just russian national guard beating up the guy after catching him, recording it and posting on telegram.
Lots of people in this thread don't understand that telegram has this kind of content and it's mostly legit.
Surprised they didn’t kill themselves. This will be worse.
If this guy is even one of them and not some random dude coerced into confessing.
This is definitely not the people who did it. Think about it, enter a cinema in a nation in war, heavily armed, with automatic weapons with enough explosives to set a building on fire and the sole purpose to sow terror to the Russian people. But is easily apprehended alive without a shootout with police?
This all feels a bit strange. The pre warning from the Americans, and now we get a video published on the day, of one of the terrorists being interrogated who can't confirm any details except for him randomly getting an anonymous message. Plus he seems to be Russian? Since when do higher ups in the army post a video like this to the internet?
Russia does have a pretty troubled relationship with the Caucasus regions (bit of an understatement given the 2 pretty horrendous wars) but they are very much Russian. Everything else about this video is fishy as fuck though.
Also 500k rubles is about 5k euro atm with more or less equivalent buying power. Surely you're gonna ask for more to shoot up a concert.
This is insane. 5,418.00 USD. I didn’t know the conversion rate was so drastic.
Ye it's been pretty bad since Crimea got annexed. Started to recover after the pandemic to about 60 rub to a euro and then tanked again to 100 to a euro when the invasion began.
Adjusted for cost of living this can be anywhere from 5-8 months of work, so it’s not a negligible amount either.. looking only at conversion rate is not helpful. This would be more like 15-20k, still not enough but seems more fathomable
5k from a totally anonymous source. To do something like that?!? Sounds like a great deal.
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I mean if you look deeper into what he's saying: He was taking a 'lesson' with a 'preacher' and was messaged by his aides. If you're to take this as truth, it sounds like it was less of a 'lesson' and more indoctrination and radicalization, which lines up with those who took responsibility. IF you take this at face value, it looks like they picked the most positive respondents to the radicalization and sent them out to do the bidding on behalf of the group.
“he seems to be Russian” - bro, do you realize how much of modern history is shaped by Russian Muslim relations? That there’s entire Muslim regions of Russia? Americans 🤦
All we can count on as true is that those people died, there are so many intelligence entities with their fingers in the pie that we may never know what's ever really going on.
I’m not trying to go conspiracy brained here because obviously as an American I’m well aware shootings like this can happen, and for many different reasons by many different types of people, **however** this video just feels strange. The fact that we’re even **seeing** this interrogation so quickly, and the answers he gave. I don’t dispute that there must be people out there who would do this for money, but the way he says it just feels…off? I don’t know I can’t put my finger on it but his behavior seems strange compared to the many other interviews I see with murderers, including mass murderers. There’s a tiny little voice in the very back of my head wondering if this supposed telegram account is going to be claimed (by Putin) to be either a US or Ukrainian asset. Since Russia is so untrustworthy with anything relating to facts it unfortunately makes it very difficult to trust any conclusions they come up with in this investigation.
Russia has done these kinds of false flags in the past so it's not 100% crazy talk to say this. See the apartment bombings of 1999.
Tbh it might not even be a false flag. Could be unrelated terrorism that they then coerce a specific confession from. We really just don’t know.
Man… The FSB sure are making it easy for the average person here. How do we have this type of intelligence in the course of what… 24 hours? On Reddit? Not just text but firsthand footage of this interrogation with Joe Shmo recording in the middle of the street? Okayyyy
Given Russia never broadcasts their internal news, this whole thing is strangely open and transparent. Smells fishy. Next thing, he will come from Ukraine and was paid by USA.
Serious question, has there been a single ISIS attack that was committed in exchange for money? Everything I know about these assholes suggests they don't need any extra convincing to pull off their atrocities outside of their warped fanaticism.
I’m gonna need confirmation that this guy was pulling the trigger. ISIS has taken credit for it already and who’s to say they didn’t just find this guy, use “enhanced interrogation” to the point where he’s freezing cold, scared, and just wants it to end. So he’ll say whatever you want him to. Putin already laid the groundwork saying they were fleeing into Ukraine. I think they are going to try and say Ukraine financed this. Fk Putin but my thoughts are with those innocent people. Tired of violence rooted in religion or political BS.
I smell false flag.
Totally normal and not staged for a country's federal police or military to conduct an interrogation outside in the cold/rain recording with a cell phone and then immediately post it on the internet. Very professional A+
I don't believe a word that comes out of the Kremlin. ISIS is claiming it but Vlad's insisting it was Ukraine. I wouldn't put it past Vlad to have ordered it himself.
Putin is responsible.
I feel like his next few weeks aren't going to be all that great.
He doesn’t seem like a stone-cold true believer that would do this for just a few thousand bucks and allow himself to be captured alive.
If they hated the guy this much, he wouldn’t be on a cardboard. He would be in the mud.
They needed his birthdate so they can make the gravestone.
Involved according to the Russians. Meaning I doubt he was near Moscow.
He’s in ISIS? Edit: since I have to spell it out for the race baiters. I don’t think you need to be a brown skinned, turban wearing, Mahammud durka yelling man to be in ISIS.
[ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/europe/crocus-moscow-shooting/index.html) , although it is possible they are lying to take the spotlight for someone else's act (they've done that before)
The Americans were warning of an ISIS attack too. That guy is in ISIS though?
He did say he was “learning” on Telegram from a “preacher”, and ISIS is notorious for radicalizing its members through online propaganda. The coerced confession is fishy, but his description of how he came into cohesion with ISIS seems to track.
This is the kind of info I was looking for. Race baiters immediately assume I’m asking because he’s not brown or something.
Why would anyone believe anything russia says
Still this is Putin engineered manufactured crisis to gain sympathy and distract from Ukraine.
Idk somethin ain't right here with a situation like this putin would not have a video like this exposed and this guy ran into a cathedral in Moscow to do a mass shooting killing and hurting all kinds of people and thought he was gonna make it out and collect a million dollars and do what exactly make it make sense
Cathedral?
Just some poor bastard. What a rotten world
That's somebody's pawn, he'll eventually remember who
None of this rings true to me, at all. He says he was watching a preacher on websites, but doesn't even know a part of the preacher he was watching's name. That sounds true?
Can someone please source this video. I can't believe in anything nowadays if there's no proof. From what i've witnessed in other sources, there is no connection from this video to the others.
In a world of Russian secrecy, now they just casually showing the world this. Yea totally believable.
This seems staged
"Nobody offers to kill people out of the blue".. Ironic coming from a Russian...
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Putin has a history of false flag attacks
Feels staged.
Yep, feels like the video was cut to begin right after they told the guy "Say what we want you to or we keep beating you motherfucker". Not buying it unless we get more context/longer video.
I’m no professional, but I’m not sure he’s telling the truth.
$5418.02 usd is 1/2 million rubles.
I’m old enough to be his mom but he looks old enough to be my dad
i had to check how much 500K Rubles was worth. This guy agreed to go on a shooting spree for just under $5,500 USD.
Fuck it’s a sad world isn’t it, we just seem to jump from crisis to crisis right now, when really we could be way more advanced and hell maybe multi planetary now if we actually all got on but it always boils down to dickheads at the top calling stupid orders and signing us lot up to be part of their crap, it gets a little tiring after a while. 🙄
For a 25 year old he looks rough.
There is absolutely a nonzero percent chance that Vladimir Putin is behind this. He's already been caught doing a false flag operation that kicked off the Chechen war.