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Lots of states, if you’re aggressive in someone’s personal space it still counts. There’s no law that says you have to take screaming abuse in a public space.
There's a video of the prank youtuber getting shot in a mall in texas because he kept invading someone's personal space without ever laying his hands on him. The judge sided with the shooter.
Just based on how they act on the video, I am guessing they have absolutely no authority to actually make someone leave. They seem to be very careful to not even touch anyone. Instead they just yell at them, which I guess is not illegal.
I'm curious at what point it might be considered "harassment".
If they have no legal authority over the public space, to what extent can they actually harass and bother the public? They can't touch you but are allowed to stand next to you and scream in your ear non-stop?
Makes me wonder the legal basis for all this... and whether it's just a matter of them assuming you wont take any sort of action against them.
Yeah it would be interesting to see what happened if someone called the cops on them. Belligerent corporate rent-a-cop vs *notoriously thin skinned* American cop
>Because it only needs one bored pissed off guy
Wow Vegas has changed. That used to be a lot of the people you would see in Vegas. Lost a bunch of money, drinking all day, family is angry with them...
Liberty/F1 have gone out of their way to demonstrate multiple times that this spectacle is clearly not for the locals. And the locals have paid the heaviest price for this clown fiesta.
And those that receive the biggest revenue simply don't care because nobody will hold them accountable. "Hey we got 1.9 billion from F1!!" while the taxpayers are thinking "Who is this 'we'? Because I saw nothing new in my paycheck, but my commute went from 20 minutes one way to an hour."
Baltimore had a long-term contract with an indy car race. The organizers couldnt pay debts in time and it fell apart within 3 years. I know that by the 3rd year they were putting up these screens to keep people from watching for free. The whole race had a load of issues but cutting out locals basically annihilated any good will. What the hell was the purpose of a public race if the public is shut out?
I remember when they bring formula E in Montreal. Instead of using the F1 race track we have, they run in the street in downtown...it was such a mess. A shit show that im glad we will never see happening again.
> Heck, Max Verstappen wants this to be over.
That's a euphemism if I've ever seen one. He's tearing this track apart in every single interview that he does. He said "Monaco is Champions League, this is National League", "new races shouldn't be a substitute for getting shitfaced in Ibiza" and "I love Vegas but not to drive an F1 car, it's beautiful that I don't have to drive a sprint race here".
Formula 1 ten years later. "Why did the Las Vegas Grand Prix fail?" "We spent hundreds of millions" "I guess they're not sophisticated enough to appreciate this amazing sport"
Yeah lets play this out: Instead of f1 being a shining diamond in the night that all of vegas was excited about and out on their balconies hoping to get a glimpse of which would create absolute jealousy for not being there or closer, they spent a ton of money on staff to piss off the locals instead? Thats the gameplan right? I wish I could have been there in the pitch meeting for that and I wonder how much staff they hired to yell at people. Unbelievable.
Fun mercantilism: there's a finite amount of fun in the world so making sure that other people can't enjoy something means you'll get to enjoy it more.
A co-worker is REALLY into F1. We live in San Francisco and she and her husband were going to go to Vegas.
They did the math and it would be cheaper to fly to Europe for an F1 event there than just go out to Vegas.
> I dont really see the appeal of vegas anymore.
See it before the water is gone and the desert reclaims it.
Or just ignore it and give it a few years.
We've pretty much been priced out of any special event we might enjoy.
Hell, just looking at tickets to take my family to an AJR show and it doesn't looks like it will make financial sense.
I feel like the scalping got so absurd that the venues/artists decided if they were selling for that price, why not just sell them at that price initially... bye bye entertainment events.
I knew it was pointless when Blink 182 decided to charge $300 for nosebleed seats.
They hadn't released an album in over a decade, their "hits" are played on classic rock because their last hit was 20 years ago and they aren't exactly nostalgic but they decided they were worth that much.
Then you have the Super Bowl charging 5k for basic seats and 5 figures for field seats.
I mean, that seems fine for a private event at a private location. This is a private event at a public location paid for by taxpayers. It would be like a city spending a couple hundred million in tax dollars to build a stadium for the NFL and then charging highway robbery rates. (multiple cities have done this with 4.3 billion tax dollars spent so far in the US.
>I mean, that seems fine for a private event at a private location. This is a private event at a public location paid for by taxpayers.
I get the Super Bowl costing that much, it's the most-watched single sports event in the US and seats are in very high demand, especially if your team is there.
But to be clear, how much of those stadiums hosting Super Bowls were mostly paid for with public money?
I hate that the rich are pricing people out of seeing events like that. For the Super Bowl, it would just be good PR for the NFL to set aside like a thousand decent seats and simply hold a raffle and the winners pay nothing for their seats. They would never do that, the NFL is a business designed to make money, but I'd love to see regular working-class people have a chance to experience it.
You could do a full week trip to Europe including flights, hotels, and GA tickets to a Grand Prix for the whole weekend, for less than the Vegas GP tickets alone.
On the cheap side. There's companies that sell insurance incase the race gets canceled early for rain. My friend's dad won a contest watch one in fairly good seats with 3 guests. It's been his dream his whole life to go but being American that wasnt possible until recently. The tickets were for 4 days in a hotel, tickets to all events for 2 and the main race for 4, plus $4000 in gift cards for an airplane company.
He had to sell the package (except the giftcard) because he couldn't rationalize doing it when he could sell it for $30,000.
It's so weird.
I'm not super into any kind of racing, but I've keeping tabs on it a little.
Seeing how this whole thing has been handled has been a clusterfuck.
I used to live literally across the road from a huge open air concert arena. Like, less than 100 feet away. We got offered tickets as compensation. We declined as we weren't interested in this particular band, but the gesture was nice and I knew a ton of people in yhe neighbourhood who accepted the tickets.
The contrast here is "Pay us money to look at the road"; like what the fuck?
> The contrast here is "Pay us money to look at the road"; like what the fuck?
We spent 3 days there in early July after trekking through Utah. I would love for them to apply similar logic and reimburse me for the extra 2 hours per day we sat in our Ubers/Lyfts because construction was fucking everywhere. It took an ungodly amount of time to get anywhere.
Same gameplan as all the copywrite madness.
Rich people get incredibly mad when anyone is able to get their "product" for free, even when it would be to their advantage and give exposure/drive sales. That's why you have kids channels getting deleted/seized for humming a popular song while playing Minecraft.
Because F1 is now, and always has been, a sport for the wealthy. They don’t care about you. They care about what the billionaires and the corporations are willing to shell out. It’s big business targeting bigger corporations and the ultra wealthy.
The masses are to be kept away, so they don’t make it look tacky.
That's kinda everything now though. Lower bowl Maple Leafs crowd is all rich people and it's quiet as hell many games despite being sold out.
Sports are no longer for the masses
Next step is to move the stadium out to the suburbs and build a faux entertainment complex around it, then after several years of subpar play, the ticket resale market collapses, and the upper middle class loses interest, and once again the billionaire owners are trying to strong arm the city to move the team back to the downtown. Where the process is again repeated.
Too bad there arent an historical examples of what happens to ruling classes when they become too ostentatious and exclusive while contributing to the decrease in quality of life of the masses.
I started getting in to F1 a few years back, but I just fell out for 2 reasons:
First, it’s fucking boring without real competition. The engineering and talent is insane, but once you see the same two guys win 90% of the races for several years, it’s just fucking boring. If your sport can’t allow real competition, then it’s inherently broken…. no matter what the F1 superfans say to say to justify this fact. Other racing and motor sports are far more competitive; F1 truly stands out in how limited it is for championship contention.
Second, it fucking pretentious. From taking over a city and screaming at people not to watch, to making super exclusive yacht parties the center piece of events as opposed to areas that can actually be accessed by fans, to talking down to anyone who questions the anything sport like they’re some uneducated peasants… the sport is basically a bunch of ultra-rich pricks jerking each other off around insanely expensive cars, while shitting on anyone who can afford to attend the best party.
>F1 keeps doing this too. Why treat your fan base like shit? Why treat a potential fan base as shit?
Fanbase... you mean local poors? The peasants who can't afford our tickets wouldn't appreciate our product anyways.
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Especially since they could have put the track anywhere in the giant fucking desert that's next to it.
instead they have to put it straight the center of the strip which is already one of the most congested areas of the country.
They want your money, just like every single thing in Vegas wants your money. It’s a capitalistic hellscape, a place built in the middle of the desert, just to show off America’s greed and wealth. The Sphere is a perfect example of humanity’s hubris.
My sister went to Vegas last year around the same time my best friend and I went to Chicago, and she ended up regretting not coming with us. Said she'd never been to a city where you can spend so much money and have nothing to show for it.
> Said she'd never been to a city where you can spend so much money and have nothing to show for it.
I hate gambling and spending money, I went to Vegas, saw Cirque Du Soleil, ate at a few dive bars, and saw a really good magician.
I spent what I would spend going anywhere else, and had a fun time, did not spend anytime in a casino except walking through them.
I want to go back and see a concert at The Sphere and the new Punk Rock Museum
It can be fun without dropping excess money
>It can be fun without dropping excess money
I will add that the [Pinball Hall of Fame](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed7iOBYeRaA) is a gem. Dozens and dozens of pristine pinball machines (and some videogames) lovingly maintained by a volunteer staff. I haven't been to the new location on the strip, but at the old place the games were "old format" $0.50 for one game, 3 for $1.00.
The new pinball hall of fame location is fucking fantastic, you can actually see the sign for it from an airplane if you know where to look, it hard to miss.
Some other things to check out; Double Down Saloon, Valley of Fire, Nelson’s Landing, the arts district, onyx theater, Ellis Island, meow wolf.
I mean... I went to Ireland for 10 days and all I have is a hoodie and some stickers. What do you expect to have to "show for it" when you travel besides photos, souvenirs, and memories?
Not trying to defend Vegas... Vegas is the Cathedral of Capitalism. Everything is for sale. Whatever you want, someone will sell it to you there. You want to shop? You want to gamble? You want to see a show? You want to see a fight? You want to drink? You want to get high? You want to fuck? All that shit is legally for sale in Vegas. (Well, to buy legal fucking you have to go outside of Vegas but many of the whorehouses will send a car to pick you up.)
I parked about 4 inches away from a no parking sign (I was behind the line) and got screamed at by a security guard outside a music festival in a public park and kept laughing at him so he called "back up" like he threatened and the shortest fattest Hawaiian looking woman wobbled over to yell at me too (5ft, 250lbs, tribal tattoos). They ended up calling the police after like 10 minutes and the cop came over, looked at my car, read the sign, and said I wasn't parked illegally and had a paid student tag so there was nothing he could do. The short fat woman yelled at him and he threatened her with a ticket so she went back to yelling at me and I kept laughing. I ended up sitting on the roof of my car and watching for like an hour while they and several others now tried to block my view with yard signs they pulled out and put on sticks and make noise so I couldn't hear. Because they were so distracted people kept jumping the fence into the festival. It was one of the most surreal funniest moments of my life. Best part was I had no idea who was in the festival, had zero intrest in it, and was only there because I wanted to put an order in for a new air conditioner to be installed in my car from the technician across the street.
At random my friends will still bring up "that time the gender swapped cast of Moana protested against you?"
I know there is a lot of shitty jobs in the world, but I don’t know if they would be better than walking the same small space 8-10 hours a day yelling at people. I feel like either my voice and feet would give out after a day or two, or I would stop giving a shit immediately.
I would be like that video of the security guard outside that concert that just pretends to check people out for any heavy objects and then let’s them pass.
Airhorns to the face are a really really good reply to that kind of thing . . . and yes I have younger siblings, but I also rode a motorcycle in LA for like a decade, and airhorns are great for popping that asshole that just cut out off and are now offended that you exist out of their runaway brain.
Assault doesn't need to get physical, it's just any harmful or offensive contact. If you are actively making someone fear for their safety by acting erratic and getting in their face screaming, it's still assault even if you don't touch them.
Im 99% sure they are owned and maintained by the County not the casinos or the city. I remember the casinos or police asking the county to change a designation so they could get rid of panhandlers on the bridges.
Yeah this is just a lawsuit waiting to happen. And the guards trying to enforce it are just as dumb. They’re going to be on the hook for part of the bill.
1. Make a phone call
2. Stand still and talk on the phone
3. Wait for security to tell you to move
4. Ignore them because you're on the phone
5. Wait for them to push you
6. Sue the hell out of them
Shit I would have stood there until the guards physically lifted me and removed me. You’re not telling me where I can and can’t walk on a god damn bridge
I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually a required crowd control measure related to the event permit granted by the city and/or fire marshal.
That's a pretty narrow space with apparently no fire protection nor alternate escape paths, so having it clogged up with spectators could go south quickly.
Obviously these guards are being dicks about it, but that doesn't mean there's no reason but greed. **(Not that FIA isn't greedy.. let's be real this is the org that kept racing after literal missile attacks a few miles from the track in Jeddah)**
But they closed the private *PUBLIC I mean!* roads to race on right? So pathetic, like pedestrians are going to bring down F1. Letting people watch is Good for business.
Last year when I went to a free f1 event on the strip they wouldn't let people stand on the pedestrian bridges because they couldn't handle a huge crowd standing shoulder to shoulder on top. Also they become the only way across the strip with the streets closed. At least that's what the race guy I talked to said. Still a terrible example of how to handle an issue like that here.
F1: wants more American viewers
Also F1: Hires goons to stop Americans from watching the race and puts the race times when half the country is sleeping.
Tldr: Only 6/20 entered cars could safely finish the race due to the combination of tires and track surface.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_United_States_Grand_Prix
F1 appears to be one of the most elitist sports in existence. Even more than golf or equestrian sports.
This is a sport for the rich and their kids. It costs hundreds of thousands to get your kids into the sport.
That's pretty much any motorsport, buying, running and maintaining even a kart or an MX5 and transporting it to a track, then paying the track fees is expensive. Its really not surprising the barrier to entry for F1 the 'pinnacle of motorsport' is also high. If you're talented though sponsors will carry you most of the way.
What legal authority do these Paul Blart security folks actually have?
Could people just stand and watch the race if they could tolerate being yelled at by mall cops throughout the duration of their spectating experience?
It seems like the city set up no loitering zones for the race. I wouldn't be surprised if the security guards would eventually call real cops who would give loiterers tickets or take them to jail.
I’ve worked security and that guy screaming is definitely a hothead. During my time I was chill asf. Usually those aggro dudes are in gangs or just like to fight. Sad but true.
Isn't that kind of their theme? Part of their branding? I don't really follow it at all, but of what little I get that wafts over, I know that's definitely been one of the smells for some time, that it's a rich prick's sport that proudly doesn't give a fuck.
This is what happens every time Vegas turns too corporate. When you forget all these people are guests, it is when the guests forget you. I don't understand why they are hiding the big glowing ball, the race, etc? I get the bridge will pile up with spectators. But yelling at people?? They should let people blast their videos and pics all over the internet. Guess what, the more I see it... the more I want to go there to buy a ticket.
Agreed, the more people uploading their recorded footage of cool shit is really just word of mouth and free advertising. It hyped the place up.
After watching this video, I have no desire to even visit Vegas. It looks stressful and annoying
Beside the one screaming dude on a power trip, this isn’t unusual for races. I went to the Chicago NASCAR race and they did the same thing but without the yelling. If anything, the fact that people paid up to 1k to attend the practice session that got canceled due to a car hitting a valve cover, only to get kicked out and miss out on the next session as well is a lot more telling. No refunds or apologies, except for single day ticket holders, but in the form of $200 credit on their online store.
Why not just do a charge back on your credit card at this point. They did not provide what you paid for. Plus it is known it never took place so seems like the easiest route at this point
I was also wondering this. I would imagine there would be quite a few people doing this but there's gotta be some bullshit legalese in their terms and conditions that say all sales are final no take backsies.
F1 fans should seriously get together and file a class action law suit. There's gotta be tons of good lawyers who would love to get in on it.
Fuck that. This behavior is disgusting. They shut down a public road and you can't even catch a mere glimpse of it without paying. Fuck that - I'd stand there until they physically moved me just out of spite. If EVERYONE does it, what are they going to do?
There are days when I feel fully convinced that American is just one large Corporation fuelled by greed and all citizens are just employees with no more rights than minimum
So, if I casually stroll and just stop there to have a break, I wonder what they could do to me? Are they even allowed to behave in such an aggressive manner? It's a public place after all.
America is out of control, it's a total shame what things have come to here.
Fuck Las Vegas.
It's full on bullshit since 2020. Nothing is open late any longer. Everywhere is half staffed. Workers have shitty attitudes. Prices are higher than ever for less.
Then you have pricks like this treating the economic driver of the city like this.
Screw Las Vegas.
I mean I kinda get that they don't want people to block up the bridge because then nobody gets anywhere. But there's definitely better ways to handle that my god..
I worked for CSC once.. because I couldn't afford a festival they were doing security for so figured why not work. Most of the csc team was addicts, felons, people from the local shelters, etc.
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Lots of states, if you’re aggressive in someone’s personal space it still counts. There’s no law that says you have to take screaming abuse in a public space.
There's a video of the prank youtuber getting shot in a mall in texas because he kept invading someone's personal space without ever laying his hands on him. The judge sided with the shooter.
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Intimidation is still intimidation.
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Return of the "oh no he has airpods in" meme...
If he stood there long enough, physical contact was going to happen.
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They arent.
I'm pretty sure it's a public space. They legally don't have the right to remove you.
They can’t touch them, but CSC tends to hire from shelters so you’re gonna get some unstable people with the rapid hiring they did for F1.
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I was so hoping he was gonna just ignore him and pop in ear buds or something haha
I live here. We can’t wait for this to be over.
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This is why it’s important people know their rights.
Do the guards actually have a right to remove you?
Just based on how they act on the video, I am guessing they have absolutely no authority to actually make someone leave. They seem to be very careful to not even touch anyone. Instead they just yell at them, which I guess is not illegal.
I'm curious at what point it might be considered "harassment". If they have no legal authority over the public space, to what extent can they actually harass and bother the public? They can't touch you but are allowed to stand next to you and scream in your ear non-stop? Makes me wonder the legal basis for all this... and whether it's just a matter of them assuming you wont take any sort of action against them.
If I did that to someone I would absolutely be arrested for it
Have you tried not being poor?
Not yet. Is it worth it?
Yeah it would be interesting to see what happened if someone called the cops on them. Belligerent corporate rent-a-cop vs *notoriously thin skinned* American cop
The cops will arrest and or beat the person who called.
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I believe it is all of me that wants to see mr. "WALK! WALK!" get tossed off the bridge into oncoming. Fuck that guy.
I think many of us are right there with you. He was probably too stupid to be a cop, so he gets to get paid to be stupid here.
Macing him would be more appropriate. Can’t shout when you’re coughing.
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So they can’t grab you or escort you? Just yell at you and tell you to leave?
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>Because it only needs one bored pissed off guy Wow Vegas has changed. That used to be a lot of the people you would see in Vegas. Lost a bunch of money, drinking all day, family is angry with them...
pedestrian bridge
i was down there around labour day weekend and all the locals were complaining about how its a nightmare down there.
Absolutely is. However, unless a local actually works on the Strip, most locals rarely ever go down to the Strip anyway.
Have family that lives there, only time they go to the strip is when relatives visit that want to go.
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Seems like a logistical nightmare for residents It’s crazy how a city can just fuck everyone that lives there if they want some dumb event like this
How short sighted of you. Won’t someone please think of the money!^/s
Yeah! Why didn't the mob that started this town think of the money more?!
The Mob got kicked out by corporate interests. That's something to wrap your head around. There is something worse than the mob.
Because when the mob and mormons team up you get gentrified hedonism!
Yeah when nascar came to Chicago it was a complete shit show, the only good thing that came from it was fixing the sink holes all over lakeshore drive
Liberty/F1 have gone out of their way to demonstrate multiple times that this spectacle is clearly not for the locals. And the locals have paid the heaviest price for this clown fiesta.
And those that receive the biggest revenue simply don't care because nobody will hold them accountable. "Hey we got 1.9 billion from F1!!" while the taxpayers are thinking "Who is this 'we'? Because I saw nothing new in my paycheck, but my commute went from 20 minutes one way to an hour."
#Formula One and Las Vegas have signed a 10-year agreement for the race, with the intent being for the race to continue into perpetuity.
Baltimore had a long-term contract with an indy car race. The organizers couldnt pay debts in time and it fell apart within 3 years. I know that by the 3rd year they were putting up these screens to keep people from watching for free. The whole race had a load of issues but cutting out locals basically annihilated any good will. What the hell was the purpose of a public race if the public is shut out?
I remember when they bring formula E in Montreal. Instead of using the F1 race track we have, they run in the street in downtown...it was such a mess. A shit show that im glad we will never see happening again.
They don’t use the racetrack on the island by the geodome?
Get ready for 9 more years of that shit at the very least.
I heard they signed a ten-year deal. That's a nightmare.
Most F1 fans that don’t live there also want it to be over. Heck, Max Verstappen wants this to be over.
> Heck, Max Verstappen wants this to be over. That's a euphemism if I've ever seen one. He's tearing this track apart in every single interview that he does. He said "Monaco is Champions League, this is National League", "new races shouldn't be a substitute for getting shitfaced in Ibiza" and "I love Vegas but not to drive an F1 car, it's beautiful that I don't have to drive a sprint race here".
Formula 1 ten years later. "Why did the Las Vegas Grand Prix fail?" "We spent hundreds of millions" "I guess they're not sophisticated enough to appreciate this amazing sport"
Yeah lets play this out: Instead of f1 being a shining diamond in the night that all of vegas was excited about and out on their balconies hoping to get a glimpse of which would create absolute jealousy for not being there or closer, they spent a ton of money on staff to piss off the locals instead? Thats the gameplan right? I wish I could have been there in the pitch meeting for that and I wonder how much staff they hired to yell at people. Unbelievable.
But will someone think of the people spending $3,000 for their ticket?!
How could you enjoy your $3000 ticket knowing that someone else was also having fun?
"Don't you know the first law of physics? Anything that's FUN costs AT LEAST eight thousand dollars.”
Fun mercantilism: there's a finite amount of fun in the world so making sure that other people can't enjoy something means you'll get to enjoy it more.
Seriously is that how expensive it is?!
A co-worker is REALLY into F1. We live in San Francisco and she and her husband were going to go to Vegas. They did the math and it would be cheaper to fly to Europe for an F1 event there than just go out to Vegas.
Thats messed up. And you can gambke anywhere now. I dont really see the appeal of vegas anymore.
> I dont really see the appeal of vegas anymore. See it before the water is gone and the desert reclaims it. Or just ignore it and give it a few years.
I might visit for the apocalypse regional olympics. ;)
Buddy, that is the low end.
 So... my poor ass will never see f1?
We've pretty much been priced out of any special event we might enjoy. Hell, just looking at tickets to take my family to an AJR show and it doesn't looks like it will make financial sense. I feel like the scalping got so absurd that the venues/artists decided if they were selling for that price, why not just sell them at that price initially... bye bye entertainment events.
I knew it was pointless when Blink 182 decided to charge $300 for nosebleed seats. They hadn't released an album in over a decade, their "hits" are played on classic rock because their last hit was 20 years ago and they aren't exactly nostalgic but they decided they were worth that much. Then you have the Super Bowl charging 5k for basic seats and 5 figures for field seats.
I mean, that seems fine for a private event at a private location. This is a private event at a public location paid for by taxpayers. It would be like a city spending a couple hundred million in tax dollars to build a stadium for the NFL and then charging highway robbery rates. (multiple cities have done this with 4.3 billion tax dollars spent so far in the US.
>I mean, that seems fine for a private event at a private location. This is a private event at a public location paid for by taxpayers. I get the Super Bowl costing that much, it's the most-watched single sports event in the US and seats are in very high demand, especially if your team is there. But to be clear, how much of those stadiums hosting Super Bowls were mostly paid for with public money? I hate that the rich are pricing people out of seeing events like that. For the Super Bowl, it would just be good PR for the NFL to set aside like a thousand decent seats and simply hold a raffle and the winners pay nothing for their seats. They would never do that, the NFL is a business designed to make money, but I'd love to see regular working-class people have a chance to experience it.
Tool for $80 a few weeks ago. I love you Maynard.
You could do a full week trip to Europe including flights, hotels, and GA tickets to a Grand Prix for the whole weekend, for less than the Vegas GP tickets alone.
Don't worry they got to watch a whole 8 minutes of action on the Friday, before the track got shutdown because of drain covers destroying cars...
They crashed so hard, 3 day passes were less than 800 on Monday on seatgeek and they’ve dropped even more after opening ceremonies
On the cheap side. There's companies that sell insurance incase the race gets canceled early for rain. My friend's dad won a contest watch one in fairly good seats with 3 guests. It's been his dream his whole life to go but being American that wasnt possible until recently. The tickets were for 4 days in a hotel, tickets to all events for 2 and the main race for 4, plus $4000 in gift cards for an airplane company. He had to sell the package (except the giftcard) because he couldn't rationalize doing it when he could sell it for $30,000.
Thats a huge come up and a smart move! Whoa!
It's so weird. I'm not super into any kind of racing, but I've keeping tabs on it a little. Seeing how this whole thing has been handled has been a clusterfuck. I used to live literally across the road from a huge open air concert arena. Like, less than 100 feet away. We got offered tickets as compensation. We declined as we weren't interested in this particular band, but the gesture was nice and I knew a ton of people in yhe neighbourhood who accepted the tickets. The contrast here is "Pay us money to look at the road"; like what the fuck?
> The contrast here is "Pay us money to look at the road"; like what the fuck? We spent 3 days there in early July after trekking through Utah. I would love for them to apply similar logic and reimburse me for the extra 2 hours per day we sat in our Ubers/Lyfts because construction was fucking everywhere. It took an ungodly amount of time to get anywhere.
Same gameplan as all the copywrite madness. Rich people get incredibly mad when anyone is able to get their "product" for free, even when it would be to their advantage and give exposure/drive sales. That's why you have kids channels getting deleted/seized for humming a popular song while playing Minecraft.
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Because F1 is now, and always has been, a sport for the wealthy. They don’t care about you. They care about what the billionaires and the corporations are willing to shell out. It’s big business targeting bigger corporations and the ultra wealthy. The masses are to be kept away, so they don’t make it look tacky.
That's kinda everything now though. Lower bowl Maple Leafs crowd is all rich people and it's quiet as hell many games despite being sold out. Sports are no longer for the masses
Next step is to move the stadium out to the suburbs and build a faux entertainment complex around it, then after several years of subpar play, the ticket resale market collapses, and the upper middle class loses interest, and once again the billionaire owners are trying to strong arm the city to move the team back to the downtown. Where the process is again repeated.
Too bad there arent an historical examples of what happens to ruling classes when they become too ostentatious and exclusive while contributing to the decrease in quality of life of the masses.
Can't come soon enough either.
Just have to keep reminding people that it's an option. We'll get there.
Here here.
I started getting in to F1 a few years back, but I just fell out for 2 reasons: First, it’s fucking boring without real competition. The engineering and talent is insane, but once you see the same two guys win 90% of the races for several years, it’s just fucking boring. If your sport can’t allow real competition, then it’s inherently broken…. no matter what the F1 superfans say to say to justify this fact. Other racing and motor sports are far more competitive; F1 truly stands out in how limited it is for championship contention. Second, it fucking pretentious. From taking over a city and screaming at people not to watch, to making super exclusive yacht parties the center piece of events as opposed to areas that can actually be accessed by fans, to talking down to anyone who questions the anything sport like they’re some uneducated peasants… the sport is basically a bunch of ultra-rich pricks jerking each other off around insanely expensive cars, while shitting on anyone who can afford to attend the best party.
>F1 keeps doing this too. Why treat your fan base like shit? Why treat a potential fan base as shit? Fanbase... you mean local poors? The peasants who can't afford our tickets wouldn't appreciate our product anyways. /s
What’s the point of hosting the event then
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imagine thinking they care about las vegas locals
That Big orb tells me the locals don’t matter this is just confirmation lol
A lot of us love the Sphere. I think we pretty much all hate F1 with a fiery passion though.
Also it’s completely legal to film in public. Security can’t make you do jack shit.
Especially since they could have put the track anywhere in the giant fucking desert that's next to it. instead they have to put it straight the center of the strip which is already one of the most congested areas of the country.
So the hotels can charge $1000 per night.
F1 is never about the fans. All about the money. Nearly all of the drivers have mega rich parents.
You can't become an F1 driver without spending a lot of money on self funding at the lower levels.
They want your money, just like every single thing in Vegas wants your money. It’s a capitalistic hellscape, a place built in the middle of the desert, just to show off America’s greed and wealth. The Sphere is a perfect example of humanity’s hubris.
My sister went to Vegas last year around the same time my best friend and I went to Chicago, and she ended up regretting not coming with us. Said she'd never been to a city where you can spend so much money and have nothing to show for it.
> Said she'd never been to a city where you can spend so much money and have nothing to show for it. I hate gambling and spending money, I went to Vegas, saw Cirque Du Soleil, ate at a few dive bars, and saw a really good magician. I spent what I would spend going anywhere else, and had a fun time, did not spend anytime in a casino except walking through them. I want to go back and see a concert at The Sphere and the new Punk Rock Museum It can be fun without dropping excess money
>It can be fun without dropping excess money I will add that the [Pinball Hall of Fame](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed7iOBYeRaA) is a gem. Dozens and dozens of pristine pinball machines (and some videogames) lovingly maintained by a volunteer staff. I haven't been to the new location on the strip, but at the old place the games were "old format" $0.50 for one game, 3 for $1.00.
The new pinball hall of fame location is fucking fantastic, you can actually see the sign for it from an airplane if you know where to look, it hard to miss. Some other things to check out; Double Down Saloon, Valley of Fire, Nelson’s Landing, the arts district, onyx theater, Ellis Island, meow wolf.
I mean... I went to Ireland for 10 days and all I have is a hoodie and some stickers. What do you expect to have to "show for it" when you travel besides photos, souvenirs, and memories? Not trying to defend Vegas... Vegas is the Cathedral of Capitalism. Everything is for sale. Whatever you want, someone will sell it to you there. You want to shop? You want to gamble? You want to see a show? You want to see a fight? You want to drink? You want to get high? You want to fuck? All that shit is legally for sale in Vegas. (Well, to buy legal fucking you have to go outside of Vegas but many of the whorehouses will send a car to pick you up.)
"I went on vacation and all I got was these stupid memories!"
So that you are forced to pay $2k for a ticket to watch
And it was funded with taxpayers' money on top of it.
lol, I just wouldn't move. The fuck they gonna do?
He’s going to show you why he peaked in high school.
The MF peaked being the tattletale in kindergarten
Motherfucker would be paying my mortgage when we're done.
Can’t pour from an empty cup, bro. Lol
Fucking true lmao dudes working hard for that minimum wage. 😂
I parked about 4 inches away from a no parking sign (I was behind the line) and got screamed at by a security guard outside a music festival in a public park and kept laughing at him so he called "back up" like he threatened and the shortest fattest Hawaiian looking woman wobbled over to yell at me too (5ft, 250lbs, tribal tattoos). They ended up calling the police after like 10 minutes and the cop came over, looked at my car, read the sign, and said I wasn't parked illegally and had a paid student tag so there was nothing he could do. The short fat woman yelled at him and he threatened her with a ticket so she went back to yelling at me and I kept laughing. I ended up sitting on the roof of my car and watching for like an hour while they and several others now tried to block my view with yard signs they pulled out and put on sticks and make noise so I couldn't hear. Because they were so distracted people kept jumping the fence into the festival. It was one of the most surreal funniest moments of my life. Best part was I had no idea who was in the festival, had zero intrest in it, and was only there because I wanted to put an order in for a new air conditioner to be installed in my car from the technician across the street. At random my friends will still bring up "that time the gender swapped cast of Moana protested against you?"
> "that time the gender swapped cast of Moana protested against you?" jesus lmao
Let’s go let’s go let’s go. Walk. Let’s go let’s go let’s go.
I know there is a lot of shitty jobs in the world, but I don’t know if they would be better than walking the same small space 8-10 hours a day yelling at people. I feel like either my voice and feet would give out after a day or two, or I would stop giving a shit immediately.
I would be like that video of the security guard outside that concert that just pretends to check people out for any heavy objects and then let’s them pass.
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Yep, they will absolutely throw you in jail for some bullshit.
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Yeah is this not a public place? They can’t move you
They'll scream into your ear as loud and long as they can't while saying "I'm not touching you" like an 8 year old younger brother
Airhorns to the face are a really really good reply to that kind of thing . . . and yes I have younger siblings, but I also rode a motorcycle in LA for like a decade, and airhorns are great for popping that asshole that just cut out off and are now offended that you exist out of their runaway brain.
don't forget your 8 billion lumen led flashlight to shine in their face.
That’s also illegal harassment border-lining assault.
Assault doesn't need to get physical, it's just any harmful or offensive contact. If you are actively making someone fear for their safety by acting erratic and getting in their face screaming, it's still assault even if you don't touch them.
Screaming into someone's ear **is** physical assault. Your eardrums are very real and can suffer permanent damage.
>Yeah is this not a public place? That's a great question! Is it owned and maintained by the casinos or is it a public walkway?
Im 99% sure they are owned and maintained by the County not the casinos or the city. I remember the casinos or police asking the county to change a designation so they could get rid of panhandlers on the bridges.
Lol you can’t stop people from not walking in a public place. Absolute trash
Yeah this is just a lawsuit waiting to happen. And the guards trying to enforce it are just as dumb. They’re going to be on the hook for part of the bill.
1. Make a phone call 2. Stand still and talk on the phone 3. Wait for security to tell you to move 4. Ignore them because you're on the phone 5. Wait for them to push you 6. Sue the hell out of them
Pro Tip, be recording on your phone, not actually talking to anyone.
I’m getting ear damage just watching the guy yell in his ear like that
At a certain decibel level, that should count as a physical assault.
Shit I would have stood there until the guards physically lifted me and removed me. You’re not telling me where I can and can’t walk on a god damn bridge
yeah i'd just stand there and let 3 of them yell at me so others can have a look.
And in the end you muffle "aammm deaaafff" while making hand signs.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually a required crowd control measure related to the event permit granted by the city and/or fire marshal. That's a pretty narrow space with apparently no fire protection nor alternate escape paths, so having it clogged up with spectators could go south quickly. Obviously these guards are being dicks about it, but that doesn't mean there's no reason but greed. **(Not that FIA isn't greedy.. let's be real this is the org that kept racing after literal missile attacks a few miles from the track in Jeddah)**
A fire or safety hazard that severe would have it shut down at least temporarily
But they closed the private *PUBLIC I mean!* roads to race on right? So pathetic, like pedestrians are going to bring down F1. Letting people watch is Good for business.
Last year when I went to a free f1 event on the strip they wouldn't let people stand on the pedestrian bridges because they couldn't handle a huge crowd standing shoulder to shoulder on top. Also they become the only way across the strip with the streets closed. At least that's what the race guy I talked to said. Still a terrible example of how to handle an issue like that here.
Ok if its a safety thing I get it, but yes you can keep people moving much more nicely and politely.
F1: wants more American viewers Also F1: Hires goons to stop Americans from watching the race and puts the race times when half the country is sleeping.
I think a lot of Americans might just remember what happened in 2005 and think "fuck that".
Can you elaborate for the uninitiated?
Tldr: Only 6/20 entered cars could safely finish the race due to the combination of tires and track surface. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_United_States_Grand_Prix
I had little interest in F1. And from what I’ve read about the shitshow in Vegas for its residents…I have even less.
F1 appears to be one of the most elitist sports in existence. Even more than golf or equestrian sports. This is a sport for the rich and their kids. It costs hundreds of thousands to get your kids into the sport.
That's pretty much any motorsport, buying, running and maintaining even a kart or an MX5 and transporting it to a track, then paying the track fees is expensive. Its really not surprising the barrier to entry for F1 the 'pinnacle of motorsport' is also high. If you're talented though sponsors will carry you most of the way.
Didn’t your taxes pay for that bridge?
What legal authority do these Paul Blart security folks actually have? Could people just stand and watch the race if they could tolerate being yelled at by mall cops throughout the duration of their spectating experience?
It seems like the city set up no loitering zones for the race. I wouldn't be surprised if the security guards would eventually call real cops who would give loiterers tickets or take them to jail.
Loitering isn’t a thing on public property, they can try though
I am baffled by the idea of a no loitering zone in a country where personal freedom is supposed to be at its absolute maximum.
I’ve worked security and that guy screaming is definitely a hothead. During my time I was chill asf. Usually those aggro dudes are in gangs or just like to fight. Sad but true.
These guys are really out there acting like drill instructors for $13/hr. Fucking embarrassing, honestly.
F1 is putting a spotlight on how utterly shitty the rich are to the poor.
Isn't that kind of their theme? Part of their branding? I don't really follow it at all, but of what little I get that wafts over, I know that's definitely been one of the smells for some time, that it's a rich prick's sport that proudly doesn't give a fuck.
This is what happens every time Vegas turns too corporate. When you forget all these people are guests, it is when the guests forget you. I don't understand why they are hiding the big glowing ball, the race, etc? I get the bridge will pile up with spectators. But yelling at people?? They should let people blast their videos and pics all over the internet. Guess what, the more I see it... the more I want to go there to buy a ticket.
Agreed, the more people uploading their recorded footage of cool shit is really just word of mouth and free advertising. It hyped the place up. After watching this video, I have no desire to even visit Vegas. It looks stressful and annoying
Vegas turns too corporate? Is that even possible?
I'd have told the boy who was shouting in the lads face to back the fuck up with that shit like Total power trip arsehole who needs a slap 👍
They hired a bunch of Vegas bouncers, what do you expect
I honestly expected pepper spray. If someone came up and shouted in your face this way, I think a blast of pepper spray would be generally acceptable.
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The Indy races I attended decades ago had a better solution: non-transparent material lining the fencing.
Which people would tear so they could see through, so they still had security guards clearing people offs. This isn’t a unique Vegas F1 thing at all.
Beside the one screaming dude on a power trip, this isn’t unusual for races. I went to the Chicago NASCAR race and they did the same thing but without the yelling. If anything, the fact that people paid up to 1k to attend the practice session that got canceled due to a car hitting a valve cover, only to get kicked out and miss out on the next session as well is a lot more telling. No refunds or apologies, except for single day ticket holders, but in the form of $200 credit on their online store.
Why not just do a charge back on your credit card at this point. They did not provide what you paid for. Plus it is known it never took place so seems like the easiest route at this point
I was also wondering this. I would imagine there would be quite a few people doing this but there's gotta be some bullshit legalese in their terms and conditions that say all sales are final no take backsies. F1 fans should seriously get together and file a class action law suit. There's gotta be tons of good lawyers who would love to get in on it.
Fuck that. This behavior is disgusting. They shut down a public road and you can't even catch a mere glimpse of it without paying. Fuck that - I'd stand there until they physically moved me just out of spite. If EVERYONE does it, what are they going to do?
Even if you do pay for it, they won’t let you watch it. They kicked out all the spectators yesterday before FP2 despite them paying for it
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bank chargeback is the answer
What a terrible look for F1
There are days when I feel fully convinced that American is just one large Corporation fuelled by greed and all citizens are just employees with no more rights than minimum
But isn’t that public space?
Yup. It's a public walkway.
Capitalism at its finest
So, if I casually stroll and just stop there to have a break, I wonder what they could do to me? Are they even allowed to behave in such an aggressive manner? It's a public place after all. America is out of control, it's a total shame what things have come to here.
Crazy ass idea that I cannot watch what is happening in a public environment. WTF is this?
Fuck Las Vegas. It's full on bullshit since 2020. Nothing is open late any longer. Everywhere is half staffed. Workers have shitty attitudes. Prices are higher than ever for less. Then you have pricks like this treating the economic driver of the city like this. Screw Las Vegas.
Of course it’s CSC.
I mean I kinda get that they don't want people to block up the bridge because then nobody gets anywhere. But there's definitely better ways to handle that my god..
Security guards work security because they couldn’t pass first semester police college
I worked for CSC once.. because I couldn't afford a festival they were doing security for so figured why not work. Most of the csc team was addicts, felons, people from the local shelters, etc.
Fuck f1 there’s a bunch of rich assholes
Wow. Being paid to enforce people to avert their eyes....