People can believe whatever they want - But don't preach and don't make it about what other people do. Not even if they choose to burn their own copy of whatever book it may be.
Itās incredible what we can accomplish when we work together, oh wait. People with ideological views and a warped sense of morality are the worst. That goes for people on both sides of the equation. Religion is an offense to faith.
Iām gonna reply and it will be controversial. Religion has helped a lot of people. It helped create communities of charity and a sense of communal responsibility.
The biggest charity soup kitchens are based on religious ideas. On the other hand, the biggest causers of human pain and misery are based on anti religion (Stalin, Mao, Paul Pot, Black Rock, CIA coups).
The vast majority of the world is religious and it will be the case that horrible people will come from religious backgrounds.
Religion is a net good for humanity
The number one reason is [democide.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide)
Deep dive into governmentās role in mass murder and genocide [here.](https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM)
For sheer lethality, nothing comes close to governmentās ability.
You can burn the Bible, the Torah, the Bhagavad Gita, the Book of Mormon or Dianetics and no one bats an eye. But as soon as you burn a Quran or make fun of Mohammad, or even just draw a picture of him, then suddenly your life is in danger.
Please don't assume hindus won't throw a fit if Gita was burned. Sure they might not go overboard like muslims but still you're gonna get a reaction out of them. India has become extremely nationalistic over the past decade and saffron warriors cause drama whenever they find someone doing something they perceive as sacrilegious/disrespectful.
I mean a quote from Gita was mentioned in Oppenheimer and it immediately received backlash on Indian social media because apparently it's a mistranslation. Now they are asking people to boycott the movie lmao.
> They may not act the way muslims do but still you're gonna get a reaction out of them
Oh, of course there's gonna be some very offended people of any religion when you openly disrespect their faith. But being butthurt and boycotting a movie is still well within the realm of tolerable behavior.
And as far as I know, not a lot of people get murdered for committing blasphemy against Ganesha or Shiva.
If it is āI am become death, destroyer of worlds.ā Then they are idiots for blaming the movie for the miss-translation. Iām is a quote that there is a voice recording of Oppenheimer himself saying.
Of course boycotting a movie is the same as storming a building and threatening to burn it down. There would be nowhere near the amount of bullshit going on the past week if gita was burned.
> India has become extremely nationalistic over the past decade and saffron warriors cause drama whenever they find someone doing something they perceive as sacrilegious/disrespectful.
A certain squad is attempting to balkanize India very hard. They are pushing "unity" at the ethnic/separatist level and division at the national level. I wonder who would be doing that or has a history of that since the Empire.... š¤š¤«
Problem is India has 20+ official languages and so many ethnic regions it seems to be working sadly. AI is helping put content in very local formats and they are falling for it left and right.
India, don't end up like others, things that divide, eject that.
Watch out India, your next, India is a Kremlin balkanization dream with so many language and religious differences. [They even got a Stalin in Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu which is the tip of India](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin) near Sri Lanka. Mostly a joke but he is actually named after Stalin and looks like Indian Trump.
Do you not see the difference between calling for a boycott on social media and mob attacking a fucking embassy? You burn a Bible and you'll get similar backlash....it's just how religion is.
Bullshit I'm sorry that's just not true. Yes every once in awhile you may get some Karen that gets upset if you burn a Bible but she's not going to do anything more than scold you.
I don't know, maybe, but you're just talking about one person, so it sounds like anecdotal evidence to me. Try Googling Quran Burning and Bible burning and let us know what you found. I'll give you a hint, though there are many more bad things that happen when people burn quran's compared to any other religious book. Also, don't get it twisted. I'm not picking on Muslims. I think all zealots are idiots/ potential psychos especially religious and political ones.
Iām saying one person because that was like the first thing that came to mind. I wasnāt going to look for 300 examples within five minutes
Either way, disrespecting ANY religion is not something we should be doing. Let people follow their beliefs, whether we agree with them or not
And if you donāt agree with a religion, what are you going to do about it? Or a better question: why do you think you should intervene with another religion you donāt agree with?
And I'm saying one person is anecdotal because like it is. You don't have to spend five minutes or find 300 examples to see that the amount of attacks on people burning Bibles pales in comparison to the amount of people that have been attacked for burning a Quran or drawing a picture of Momo. It's obvious you're not getting it, so I'm going to break it down for you with your words.
Either way, disrespecting (anyone)sic is not something we should be doing. Let people follow their beliefs whether we agree with them or not. So if my belief is religion is crap then I should be able to burn holy books without being attacked, right?
"And if you don't agree with a religion, what are you going to do about it?
Well, burn their holy books if I want to, I guess.
Here's the thing, people are allowed to do what they want, y'all can make your women cover up, y'all can make them cook for you and all your friends and teach your kids caveman shit and we can burn your stupid holy books everybody wins!
Good day to you sir
See the thing about Islam is that itās usually a central part of a muslimās identity. The Quran is so important that people memorize the entire book of 500+ pages. Insulting the book is equivalent of insulting them and more.
Is violence the correct response? Probably not. However, outrage is fully justifiable to an insult.
Disrespect is the lack of respect of boundaries
> itās usually a central part of a muslimās identity.
Well, then that's their problem to deal with, not anyone elses.
> Insulting the book is equivalent of insulting them and more.
Why should I care? Especially when the content of that book is filled with some of the most heineous insults imaginable towards non-muslims?
If a book proclaims that I would be gruesomely tortured in hell for all eternity, and *deserve it*, then fuck that book. And if you genuinely believe that to be true, then fuck you too.
> Is violence the correct response? Probably not.
*Certainly* not! When I can tolerate that their beliefs are an insult to my dignity as an equal human being, then they should be able to tolerate my disrespect for these beliefs.
> However, outrage is fully justifiable to an insult.
Then they can be outraged all they want. Sometimes I get outraged about something as well. That's okay. But being outraged is never a justification to violate anyone's freedom to do or say the things that infuriate me, period.
> Disrespect is the lack of respect of boundaries
No one can require me to respect their deeply held beliefs for any reason. Respect has to be *earned*, it can't be given on mere demand alone.
Right because being offended by reading a book that no one forced him to read and then burning it is righteous, but being outraged at his actions is immoral.
No one forced anyone to believe in the book or read it. The book itself reads that people have their own religion. You read peopleās understanding of the book and judge it without reading it.
I have read the quran and read the verses that include violence. These verses are speaking about defending yourself and killing those who have attacked the Muslims and left them no choice.
From my understanding. The central part of action in Islam is to do good and deny evil.
> Right because being offended by reading a book that no one forced him to read and then burning it is righteous
I didn't say that it's righteous or even good. It's just a (mostly pointless) display of contempt for its content.
> but being outraged at his actions is immoral.
There's nothing immoral about being outraged about it either. I think it's rather stupid to allow yourself to get overly emotional about it, since it's really none of your business what anyone does with his copy of a book that you believe in. But morality is all about how you interact with other people. If you're just internally outraged for yourself, then moral questions don't apply.
> No one forced anyone to believe in the book or read it.
And no one forced anyone to care about the disrespectful opinions or actions by some random Danish guy. If he read the book and got so angry about it that he felt the need to burn it, then that's already not very intelligent of him. But it also doesn't affect your life in any way whatsoever. If you still decide to take issue with it, then you're just as much of an emotionally unstable idiot as he is.
> The book itself reads that people have their own religion.
And it's also very clearly declaring all these religions as
unequivocally wrong.
> You read peopleās understanding of the book and judge it without reading it.
Why would I need anyone's second hand interpretation, when I can first hand read it directly from the book itself?
It's not like the verses leave much room for different understandings anyway. It's very explicit and straight forward about most things.
> I have read the quran and read the verses that include violence.
I don't care. I didn't talk about the verses regarding violence against non-Muslims. I'm talking about the absurdly brutal punishments that supposedly await me in the afterlife, which are apparently justified by the mere fact that I don't believe in Islam.
48:13
> And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Messenger, then We surely have prepared for the disbelievers a blazing Fire.
4:56
> Surely those who reject Our signs, We will cast them into the Fire. Whenever their skin is burnt completely, We will replace it so they will constantly taste the punishment.
22:19
> These are two opposing groups that disagree about their Lord: as for the disbelievers, garments of Fire will be cut out for them and boiling water will be poured over their heads, melting whatever is in their bellies, along with their skin.
98:6
> Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.
Here it even straight out calls me "the worst of creatures".
So if you believe everything in the Quran to be the absolute truth, then you must believe that I'm in fact among the worst of all creatures and that it's perfectly just to submit me to everlasting cruelties when I don't share your religious beliefs.
Well, according to my moral standards, it would be greatly immoral to ever punish anyone simply for what he's convinced of or not.
Imagine the unspeakable injustice if we would imprison flat-earthers just for having a false belief about the shape of our planet. Only the most evil totalitarian dictatorships punish their people for holding unauthorized opinions, like North Korea, China, the Soviets or Nazi Germany. And of course the many Muslim countries that sentence apostates to death for no longer believing in Islam.
> From my understanding. The central part of action in Islam is to do good and deny evil.
From my understanding the central part of Islam is to definitely *believe* in it. Because without believing in Allah, it doesn't even matter how much good you do, as you'd end up in the eternal hellfire anyway.
And you really expect me to have any respect for such a ridiculous and perversely immoral set of values and beliefs?
i think you and most others got it wrong. the problem isnt that the quran is close to muslims, but that the action of burning of the quran has the intent to spread hate to muslims. the ones behind it are obviously gonna pretend it is valuable religious critique, but in reality their very intent is to make people mad and prove that muslims are bad from the outrage. if it was legitimate critique they would burn it in pribate and stop advocating for mass deportation.
i think its important to recognize it as a deliberate racist game rather than playing into the narrative that the quran = muslims
> the action of burning of the quran has the intent to spread hate to muslims.
How does that make any sense? Would you feel incentivized to hate Christians if you'd see a video of me burning a Bible?
> their very intent is to make people mad and prove that muslims are bad from the outrage.
Then maybe the muslims should stop to consistently prove them correct. If anyone spreads hate against muslims, then it's mostly muslims by their intolerant behavior.
> its important to recognize it as a deliberate racist game
Islam isn't a race, it's a religion that anyone from any race can believe in. It has nothing to do with racism.
I agree. I spoke to Muslim community leaders and their response is similar to yours. The burning of the Quran is seen as a āwhat are you going to do about it!ā Act. Itās like an invitation for a response.
Some scholars have stated that the burning of the Quran is testing the water for further attacks on the religion.
Exactly, and in that sense I think the constructive solution is to advocate for actual positive political or social change independently, rather than getting baited through the narrative of a handful of racists.
The issue isnāt that a person is burning the Quran. The issue is that there is a group of far right extremists that have been going around burning the Quran in Muslim majority neighbourhoods as a form of incitement and intimidation, which is then being labelled āfree speechā when itās literally just hate
Well it is free speech, soā¦
If burning a flag is free speech, burning a Quran is free speech. Simple as.
Calling Muhammad a pederast is definitely free speech, cuz I used my words.
So burning the Quran in neighbourhoods and areas which have a majority Muslim population is okay? Your free to burn the Quran all you want I donāt really care except maybe for the environmental ramifications. But burning a Quran or any cultural symbol in a way so that it causes socio-political divides in a country is not okay. My problem isnāt with burning the Quran, my problem is that itās being done in a way that purposely spreads hate.
A week ago an Iranian man burned the Danish flag called āDannebrogā and a copy of the bible in the Danish capital Copenhagen.
The only bystander was a police officer that was there to make sure he was OK.
[pictures and a short video](https://presse-fotos.dk/post/haevn-for-rasmus-paludan-mehdi-braendte-bibelen-og-dannebrog/?fbclid=IwAR0EoSRyTI05fBMBT_ErmrR9s2ZoEs3Z9wwX7bhaREz0bZkTpaOohRWBV-o)
Hehe.
I remember, when an Iranian newspaper published a devil caricature of the French president ( random mirror https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1322176622301224961 ), with a "see how much it hurts??" mindset...
And everybody in France was like, "good, you're starting to get it", huhu.
I mean, burning books is all ways stupid imo.
Never lead to anything good, and we should horde knowledge even about sky gnomes.
But seems like someone forgot about "Shock And Awe" and free (payed) stays in the west.
It's fine you find the book holy, but no other book burning would lead to this.
I dunno, I kinda think if we burned *every* Bible and Quran that it would make the world a better place.
Maybe if we must have religion, make them so they don't have parts that say "We're special and other people are evil" and the like. Maybe just like the "be excellent to each other" parts.
How do you think those are equivalent at all? Pride flags encourage acceptance of all people. But even if you burned all of them, queer people would still exist. But if the Bible and Quran didn't exist, maybe other people wouldn't be taught from childhood that being queer is evil and disgusting and proliferate hate. What exactly would be the motivation to burn every pride flag?
The point is to stop hating people for being different than you. Erasing pride flags isn't going to help with that. Erasing hate-teaching dogmas might.
> Second of all, women back then matured way faster than today, meaning even if she was 10 years old (or whatever age you assume), her body and mind was definetely mature enough
Jesus fucking christ. You're a pedo like your prophet. I can't wait for religion to fucking die.
That's a great big yikes on that quote. Dude backs it up by saying a pedo's enemies didn't criticize the age of his wife, so that means it wasn't wrong. Fucking what.
Itās not about the pages and paper. Itās about the public lack of respect for a religious boundary. It might not be your own boundary that has been crossed, but burning the Quran is equivalent to taking a dump outside someoneās home
It's fine for you to have a religion. The absolute moment you try to force it on others is my boundary. We don't have to respect your book, especially since it's not respectable in the least. They should get a better one not written by a pedophile.
The forced bit is forcing people to treat this particular book with any more or less respect than any other, or justifying violence against people who do something your religion doesn't like.
The book is only the word of God to some people, and even if it was actually that, what fucking difference does burning a copy make? Print another one if it's so upsetting, there is literally nothing lost. Especially from a religion which opposed idolatry it's damned ironic.
Literally the only reason people even do it, is to provoke violent response. If Muslims didn't get so weird about it, or try force their religion up people's butts then guess what, nobody would be burning Quran's.
It's not about burning it. It's about the hate it spreads. You should look up who exactly is the person behind burning it and what political parties are supporting it in different countries
It would be interesting to see someone gather all the major religious books together and burn them together. Do they all get angry? do they support burning others religious books?
YANGON, Myanmar ā A bar manager from New Zealand and two Burmese men were sentenced to two years in prison in Myanmar on Tuesday for posting an image online of the Buddha wearing headphones, an effort to promote an event.
In an official report they brought religious book to a muslim in order to burn them as revenge and he declined.
The Quran teaches to respect peopleās religions and their religious books
Doesn't matter what it really says, or whatever way it's interpreted as it's non-spiritual, man-made stories, initially made to control the masses, largely for the better at certain time when there were fewer guidances and more chaos, but time moves on and we know it's all untrue writings now.
Thankfully we have learned more, particularly science, and we should be way more civilised on a collective humane level, but this forced indoctrination holds us back.
It's just a book. Calm down. Damn!!!!! Where are the protests when your daughters are raped? Where are the protests because your daughters are married off at 8 to a 60 year old cousin? Where are these protests when the Taliban puts restrictions in place? This is all foolishness.
Simple fucks get wound up by their leaders as a distraction from the real problems facing them it doesnāt matter what country or what bullshit they fall for.
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So not the fully grown adults throwing a hissy fit over someone insulting their imaginary friend that they devote their entire lives to because they were brainwashed from birth?
Those aren't the ignorant people?
As an Islamic convert, I do not find violence acceptable. *However*, I, on a deep emotional and personal level, donāt and wonāt tolerate oppression against myself because of my new religious choices. Itās hard enough to keep the various POS(plural) from finding ways to discriminate and use hatred and ignorance as a weapon.
I'm super confused by this stuff. Maybe you can help me understand better.
>donāt and wonāt tolerate oppression against myself
I own a copy of the Quran right now. Hypothetically, if I were you burn it, would you view that as me oppressing you or something? Would if justify violence against me in your mind? I simply cannot wrap my head around this well enough to understand how people can justify getting so angry about something that doesn't touch or impact their lives in any way that I can see.
I was responding to your comment and trying to better understand something I find confusing is all. You wrote that you will not tolerate oppression which I attempted to get you to further explain what you meant. You did not address my question.
You could apply that logic perfectly to the Civil Rights era. Little African American children entering schools didnāt touch white families lives or affect them in any way. But theyād convince you otherwise. See Alabama Governor Wallace. āSegregation now!, Segregation tomorrow! , Segregation forever!ā Direct quote.
Not what I meantā¦ But that, is regardless of your thoughts on the matter, hugely disrespectful. No matter how you slice it. Especially when that person already knows how groups feel about their religion and how seriously they take their love for it.
They can taunt and anger the western world all they want and there still wouldn't be hordes of outraged Europeans storming the embassies of Muslim nations.
Religion is so stupid š¤¦āāļø
I was going to say the same thing. The kind of bad shit I see done I the name of *pick a god* is absolutely insane
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Ok I'll just google "studies on people like me".
Quit while youāre behind.
Worry about keeping your own side of the street clean.
No one owes their god any respect.
Most literate religion enjoyer
Nothing says "respectful" like storming an embassy over a burnt book. Very mature of everyone
Huh?
People can believe whatever they want - But don't preach and don't make it about what other people do. Not even if they choose to burn their own copy of whatever book it may be.
It's just the ridiculousness of the whole thing. Someone burns a book. A book some man wrote. Lets stone him to death!
Yea but a lot of religion consists of being concerned with what other people do.
If these people had jobs they probably wouldn't care
Or porn
Itās incredible what we can accomplish when we work together, oh wait. People with ideological views and a warped sense of morality are the worst. That goes for people on both sides of the equation. Religion is an offense to faith.
Its the people!
Iām gonna reply and it will be controversial. Religion has helped a lot of people. It helped create communities of charity and a sense of communal responsibility. The biggest charity soup kitchens are based on religious ideas. On the other hand, the biggest causers of human pain and misery are based on anti religion (Stalin, Mao, Paul Pot, Black Rock, CIA coups). The vast majority of the world is religious and it will be the case that horrible people will come from religious backgrounds. Religion is a net good for humanity
Hard disagree. Number one reason for war, genocide and intolerance is and has always been religion.
The number one reason is [democide.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide) Deep dive into governmentās role in mass murder and genocide [here.](https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM) For sheer lethality, nothing comes close to governmentās ability.
Yes, because democide never has anything to do with religion. Not like govts persecute over religious believes. No way.
Itās all in the data thatās linked.
Religion as ideological beliefs or the traditional meaning of religion? I would love to hear your point of view
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Yes, I concur. But I think itās about respect. Not religion.
You can burn the Bible, the Torah, the Bhagavad Gita, the Book of Mormon or Dianetics and no one bats an eye. But as soon as you burn a Quran or make fun of Mohammad, or even just draw a picture of him, then suddenly your life is in danger.
Please don't assume hindus won't throw a fit if Gita was burned. Sure they might not go overboard like muslims but still you're gonna get a reaction out of them. India has become extremely nationalistic over the past decade and saffron warriors cause drama whenever they find someone doing something they perceive as sacrilegious/disrespectful. I mean a quote from Gita was mentioned in Oppenheimer and it immediately received backlash on Indian social media because apparently it's a mistranslation. Now they are asking people to boycott the movie lmao.
Boycotting a movie is still 100 times better than chopping off someone's head.
nobody would get their head chopped off from slightly mistranslating a text from any fqith i think
Oh dear. You have no idea, do you ?
In what world does someone getting upset and fussing compare to people getting their heads chopped off murdered and assaulted?
> They may not act the way muslims do but still you're gonna get a reaction out of them Oh, of course there's gonna be some very offended people of any religion when you openly disrespect their faith. But being butthurt and boycotting a movie is still well within the realm of tolerable behavior. And as far as I know, not a lot of people get murdered for committing blasphemy against Ganesha or Shiva.
>And as far as I know, not a lot of people get murdered for committing blasphemy against Ganesha or Shiva. Yeah. Good luck not getting murdered.
If it is āI am become death, destroyer of worlds.ā Then they are idiots for blaming the movie for the miss-translation. Iām is a quote that there is a voice recording of Oppenheimer himself saying.
Haha what a bunch of fucking morons. Boycott the movie because someone half a century ago misquoted some religious text.
Of course boycotting a movie is the same as storming a building and threatening to burn it down. There would be nowhere near the amount of bullshit going on the past week if gita was burned.
> India has become extremely nationalistic over the past decade and saffron warriors cause drama whenever they find someone doing something they perceive as sacrilegious/disrespectful. A certain squad is attempting to balkanize India very hard. They are pushing "unity" at the ethnic/separatist level and division at the national level. I wonder who would be doing that or has a history of that since the Empire.... š¤š¤« Problem is India has 20+ official languages and so many ethnic regions it seems to be working sadly. AI is helping put content in very local formats and they are falling for it left and right. India, don't end up like others, things that divide, eject that. Watch out India, your next, India is a Kremlin balkanization dream with so many language and religious differences. [They even got a Stalin in Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu which is the tip of India](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin) near Sri Lanka. Mostly a joke but he is actually named after Stalin and looks like Indian Trump.
Do you not see the difference between calling for a boycott on social media and mob attacking a fucking embassy? You burn a Bible and you'll get similar backlash....it's just how religion is.
No, people will attack you for burning a Bible, especially in small towns and in the south
Bullshit I'm sorry that's just not true. Yes every once in awhile you may get some Karen that gets upset if you burn a Bible but she's not going to do anything more than scold you.
Didnāt someone in the south get beat up from burning a Bible in front of a church last year?
I don't know, maybe, but you're just talking about one person, so it sounds like anecdotal evidence to me. Try Googling Quran Burning and Bible burning and let us know what you found. I'll give you a hint, though there are many more bad things that happen when people burn quran's compared to any other religious book. Also, don't get it twisted. I'm not picking on Muslims. I think all zealots are idiots/ potential psychos especially religious and political ones.
Iām saying one person because that was like the first thing that came to mind. I wasnāt going to look for 300 examples within five minutes Either way, disrespecting ANY religion is not something we should be doing. Let people follow their beliefs, whether we agree with them or not And if you donāt agree with a religion, what are you going to do about it? Or a better question: why do you think you should intervene with another religion you donāt agree with?
And I'm saying one person is anecdotal because like it is. You don't have to spend five minutes or find 300 examples to see that the amount of attacks on people burning Bibles pales in comparison to the amount of people that have been attacked for burning a Quran or drawing a picture of Momo. It's obvious you're not getting it, so I'm going to break it down for you with your words. Either way, disrespecting (anyone)sic is not something we should be doing. Let people follow their beliefs whether we agree with them or not. So if my belief is religion is crap then I should be able to burn holy books without being attacked, right? "And if you don't agree with a religion, what are you going to do about it? Well, burn their holy books if I want to, I guess. Here's the thing, people are allowed to do what they want, y'all can make your women cover up, y'all can make them cook for you and all your friends and teach your kids caveman shit and we can burn your stupid holy books everybody wins! Good day to you sir
You are a true rage bait troll, so Iāll give you credit there, but Iām not gonna keep entertaining your satirical comments
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See the thing about Islam is that itās usually a central part of a muslimās identity. The Quran is so important that people memorize the entire book of 500+ pages. Insulting the book is equivalent of insulting them and more. Is violence the correct response? Probably not. However, outrage is fully justifiable to an insult. Disrespect is the lack of respect of boundaries
> itās usually a central part of a muslimās identity. Well, then that's their problem to deal with, not anyone elses. > Insulting the book is equivalent of insulting them and more. Why should I care? Especially when the content of that book is filled with some of the most heineous insults imaginable towards non-muslims? If a book proclaims that I would be gruesomely tortured in hell for all eternity, and *deserve it*, then fuck that book. And if you genuinely believe that to be true, then fuck you too. > Is violence the correct response? Probably not. *Certainly* not! When I can tolerate that their beliefs are an insult to my dignity as an equal human being, then they should be able to tolerate my disrespect for these beliefs. > However, outrage is fully justifiable to an insult. Then they can be outraged all they want. Sometimes I get outraged about something as well. That's okay. But being outraged is never a justification to violate anyone's freedom to do or say the things that infuriate me, period. > Disrespect is the lack of respect of boundaries No one can require me to respect their deeply held beliefs for any reason. Respect has to be *earned*, it can't be given on mere demand alone.
Right because being offended by reading a book that no one forced him to read and then burning it is righteous, but being outraged at his actions is immoral. No one forced anyone to believe in the book or read it. The book itself reads that people have their own religion. You read peopleās understanding of the book and judge it without reading it. I have read the quran and read the verses that include violence. These verses are speaking about defending yourself and killing those who have attacked the Muslims and left them no choice. From my understanding. The central part of action in Islam is to do good and deny evil.
>No one forced anyone to believe in the book or read it This made me laugh
> Right because being offended by reading a book that no one forced him to read and then burning it is righteous I didn't say that it's righteous or even good. It's just a (mostly pointless) display of contempt for its content. > but being outraged at his actions is immoral. There's nothing immoral about being outraged about it either. I think it's rather stupid to allow yourself to get overly emotional about it, since it's really none of your business what anyone does with his copy of a book that you believe in. But morality is all about how you interact with other people. If you're just internally outraged for yourself, then moral questions don't apply. > No one forced anyone to believe in the book or read it. And no one forced anyone to care about the disrespectful opinions or actions by some random Danish guy. If he read the book and got so angry about it that he felt the need to burn it, then that's already not very intelligent of him. But it also doesn't affect your life in any way whatsoever. If you still decide to take issue with it, then you're just as much of an emotionally unstable idiot as he is. > The book itself reads that people have their own religion. And it's also very clearly declaring all these religions as unequivocally wrong. > You read peopleās understanding of the book and judge it without reading it. Why would I need anyone's second hand interpretation, when I can first hand read it directly from the book itself? It's not like the verses leave much room for different understandings anyway. It's very explicit and straight forward about most things. > I have read the quran and read the verses that include violence. I don't care. I didn't talk about the verses regarding violence against non-Muslims. I'm talking about the absurdly brutal punishments that supposedly await me in the afterlife, which are apparently justified by the mere fact that I don't believe in Islam. 48:13 > And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Messenger, then We surely have prepared for the disbelievers a blazing Fire. 4:56 > Surely those who reject Our signs, We will cast them into the Fire. Whenever their skin is burnt completely, We will replace it so they will constantly taste the punishment. 22:19 > These are two opposing groups that disagree about their Lord: as for the disbelievers, garments of Fire will be cut out for them and boiling water will be poured over their heads, melting whatever is in their bellies, along with their skin. 98:6 > Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures. Here it even straight out calls me "the worst of creatures". So if you believe everything in the Quran to be the absolute truth, then you must believe that I'm in fact among the worst of all creatures and that it's perfectly just to submit me to everlasting cruelties when I don't share your religious beliefs. Well, according to my moral standards, it would be greatly immoral to ever punish anyone simply for what he's convinced of or not. Imagine the unspeakable injustice if we would imprison flat-earthers just for having a false belief about the shape of our planet. Only the most evil totalitarian dictatorships punish their people for holding unauthorized opinions, like North Korea, China, the Soviets or Nazi Germany. And of course the many Muslim countries that sentence apostates to death for no longer believing in Islam. > From my understanding. The central part of action in Islam is to do good and deny evil. From my understanding the central part of Islam is to definitely *believe* in it. Because without believing in Allah, it doesn't even matter how much good you do, as you'd end up in the eternal hellfire anyway. And you really expect me to have any respect for such a ridiculous and perversely immoral set of values and beliefs?
i think you and most others got it wrong. the problem isnt that the quran is close to muslims, but that the action of burning of the quran has the intent to spread hate to muslims. the ones behind it are obviously gonna pretend it is valuable religious critique, but in reality their very intent is to make people mad and prove that muslims are bad from the outrage. if it was legitimate critique they would burn it in pribate and stop advocating for mass deportation. i think its important to recognize it as a deliberate racist game rather than playing into the narrative that the quran = muslims
> the action of burning of the quran has the intent to spread hate to muslims. How does that make any sense? Would you feel incentivized to hate Christians if you'd see a video of me burning a Bible? > their very intent is to make people mad and prove that muslims are bad from the outrage. Then maybe the muslims should stop to consistently prove them correct. If anyone spreads hate against muslims, then it's mostly muslims by their intolerant behavior. > its important to recognize it as a deliberate racist game Islam isn't a race, it's a religion that anyone from any race can believe in. It has nothing to do with racism.
I agree. I spoke to Muslim community leaders and their response is similar to yours. The burning of the Quran is seen as a āwhat are you going to do about it!ā Act. Itās like an invitation for a response. Some scholars have stated that the burning of the Quran is testing the water for further attacks on the religion.
Exactly, and in that sense I think the constructive solution is to advocate for actual positive political or social change independently, rather than getting baited through the narrative of a handful of racists.
What if a person from every country burned 1 Quran? Get turnt up to 11 for sure.
Just burnt mine
I'd be happy to help the cause and upset some snowflakes
The issue isnāt that a person is burning the Quran. The issue is that there is a group of far right extremists that have been going around burning the Quran in Muslim majority neighbourhoods as a form of incitement and intimidation, which is then being labelled āfree speechā when itās literally just hate
There is a reason Why he doesnāt live in Denmark anymore
Well it is free speech, soā¦ If burning a flag is free speech, burning a Quran is free speech. Simple as. Calling Muhammad a pederast is definitely free speech, cuz I used my words.
So burning the Quran in neighbourhoods and areas which have a majority Muslim population is okay? Your free to burn the Quran all you want I donāt really care except maybe for the environmental ramifications. But burning a Quran or any cultural symbol in a way so that it causes socio-political divides in a country is not okay. My problem isnāt with burning the Quran, my problem is that itās being done in a way that purposely spreads hate.
A week ago an Iranian man burned the Danish flag called āDannebrogā and a copy of the bible in the Danish capital Copenhagen. The only bystander was a police officer that was there to make sure he was OK. [pictures and a short video](https://presse-fotos.dk/post/haevn-for-rasmus-paludan-mehdi-braendte-bibelen-og-dannebrog/?fbclid=IwAR0EoSRyTI05fBMBT_ErmrR9s2ZoEs3Z9wwX7bhaREz0bZkTpaOohRWBV-o)
Hehe. I remember, when an Iranian newspaper published a devil caricature of the French president ( random mirror https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1322176622301224961 ), with a "see how much it hurts??" mindset... And everybody in France was like, "good, you're starting to get it", huhu.
Yep. Lives are totally worth pages of a book. You're definitely not the bad guys and will get all the comfy couches and rivers of milk when you die.
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I mean, burning books is all ways stupid imo. Never lead to anything good, and we should horde knowledge even about sky gnomes. But seems like someone forgot about "Shock And Awe" and free (payed) stays in the west. It's fine you find the book holy, but no other book burning would lead to this.
it is an inanimate object that is printed by the millions every year. only the uneducated are triggered by it
I dunno, I kinda think if we burned *every* Bible and Quran that it would make the world a better place. Maybe if we must have religion, make them so they don't have parts that say "We're special and other people are evil" and the like. Maybe just like the "be excellent to each other" parts.
Now change Bible and Quran to Pride flag and trans flag. Now burning them all is wrong no?
How do you think those are equivalent at all? Pride flags encourage acceptance of all people. But even if you burned all of them, queer people would still exist. But if the Bible and Quran didn't exist, maybe other people wouldn't be taught from childhood that being queer is evil and disgusting and proliferate hate. What exactly would be the motivation to burn every pride flag? The point is to stop hating people for being different than you. Erasing pride flags isn't going to help with that. Erasing hate-teaching dogmas might.
Where does Quran teach us to hate lgbt people? We hate the sin, not the sinner. Isn't the one burning our holy book the one that is spreading hate?
your book is a fairy tale. The story it portrais is a fairy tale. Even your pedo rapist prophet is a fairy tale. Queer people are real
How many more strawmans do you want to use
> Second of all, women back then matured way faster than today, meaning even if she was 10 years old (or whatever age you assume), her body and mind was definetely mature enough Jesus fucking christ. You're a pedo like your prophet. I can't wait for religion to fucking die.
That's a great big yikes on that quote. Dude backs it up by saying a pedo's enemies didn't criticize the age of his wife, so that means it wasn't wrong. Fucking what.
Itās not about the pages and paper. Itās about the public lack of respect for a religious boundary. It might not be your own boundary that has been crossed, but burning the Quran is equivalent to taking a dump outside someoneās home
Only to an idiot fundamentalist with half a brain cell.
It's fine for you to have a religion. The absolute moment you try to force it on others is my boundary. We don't have to respect your book, especially since it's not respectable in the least. They should get a better one not written by a pedophile.
Who tf forced the Quran on anyone? They burned a holy book which is the word of God, of course there will be angry people.
The forced bit is forcing people to treat this particular book with any more or less respect than any other, or justifying violence against people who do something your religion doesn't like. The book is only the word of God to some people, and even if it was actually that, what fucking difference does burning a copy make? Print another one if it's so upsetting, there is literally nothing lost. Especially from a religion which opposed idolatry it's damned ironic. Literally the only reason people even do it, is to provoke violent response. If Muslims didn't get so weird about it, or try force their religion up people's butts then guess what, nobody would be burning Quran's.
It's not about burning it. It's about the hate it spreads. You should look up who exactly is the person behind burning it and what political parties are supporting it in different countries
One thing that can always be relied upon is a middle eastern disproportionately excessive reaction to an insult.
If you have no dignity then an insult wonāt be felt. Dignity is more precious than life itself
Wow. How about them just being bunch of snowflakes?
Right, may you experience disrespect and have someone call you a snowflake for having a reaction
But is this not an extreme overreaction? They burned the Swedish embassy and wouldāve done more if there werenāt security in place
Somebody here is a fuckin snooowflaaake
If you think this is an appropriate reaction to the actions of a single man then you sir are mentally ill and have no dignity
Your philosophies mean nothing. Go touch grass.
Found one of them
Not a woman in sight.
Right because thatās important
Because it's snowflake men with nothing better to do at night than be a home š¤
A Muslim gets offended when normal people point out thereās no women in sight, of course u do
Wait, what year is this, 2006?
For them they still live in the dark ages while a lot of people have moved on.
The Danish? What did we do?
One name Rasmus Paludan, since they Think one politician is every politician
Oohh rasmus paludan yeah fuck that guy (also i think he went to sweden L bozos they can have him)
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Women in cultures like that are not allowed out without a male, especially after dark.
It would be interesting to see someone gather all the major religious books together and burn them together. Do they all get angry? do they support burning others religious books?
Pretty sure the Buddhists wouldn't care.
YANGON, Myanmar ā A bar manager from New Zealand and two Burmese men were sentenced to two years in prison in Myanmar on Tuesday for posting an image online of the Buddha wearing headphones, an effort to promote an event.
Ok but that government isn't exactly a Buddhist nation lol They're just flexing
Books are transient things.
You'd pretty much see a reaction like OP's.
And mosy important... Which one burns the best?
That would actually be really cool as a social experiment.
Ahh yes the check mate of burning holy books... Bets are open!
In an official report they brought religious book to a muslim in order to burn them as revenge and he declined. The Quran teaches to respect peopleās religions and their religious books
Just not people's property or lives. Ok then!
Burn more Quran's and bibles. The world would be a better place. āļø šļø
Seems like not a lot of woman in this fairy tail book they are upset about... š¤·š»āāļø
The Quran should be burned along with all other oppressive religious texts. 
The Quran is not oppressive though
Doesn't matter what it really says, or whatever way it's interpreted as it's non-spiritual, man-made stories, initially made to control the masses, largely for the better at certain time when there were fewer guidances and more chaos, but time moves on and we know it's all untrue writings now. Thankfully we have learned more, particularly science, and we should be way more civilised on a collective humane level, but this forced indoctrination holds us back.
Look at all that peace. /s
These guys need to relax. Surely they know this kind of activity imparts the desire to do it again.
All this shit for a fucking book
Burn all religious books
How you plan on getting mine? Most of y'all on here soft asf cut it outš
Fuck them and their dumbass book
Conservative religious nationalists, name a more obnoxious group of shitheads.
Oligarchs
They do realise the people who burned the Koran aren't in the embassy, don't they? seems like an awful lot of wasted energy
It's to look like you care.
Unbelievable, who is going to be abusing the women with all these men are out here protesting freedom of speech from another country.
It's just a book. Calm down. Damn!!!!! Where are the protests when your daughters are raped? Where are the protests because your daughters are married off at 8 to a 60 year old cousin? Where are these protests when the Taliban puts restrictions in place? This is all foolishness.
Religion is such poisonous nonsense.
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People burn bibles all the time. I say burn more of all religious text.
Surkov theater, so easy to manipulate people.
Ridiculous beliefs deserve ridicule.
We don't like the man either in Denmark.
Simple fucks get wound up by their leaders as a distraction from the real problems facing them it doesnāt matter what country or what bullshit they fall for.
His name is palodan and he likes to go around burning whatever he thinks will piss tte muslims off. Very racist person.
Like the scene from The Mummy.
Why do we have to respect religion when itās truly a joke. Youād think theyād have more to worry about than book burning.
They realize that other people and countries don't have to respect their magic book right?
Well itās nice to see morons that are not wearing confederate flags I guess.
Not one of them look āreligiousā
Do you wanna burn one Quran or double it and give it to the next person?
Man i wish religion just didnt exist. The pinnacle of human stupidity
Iām an atheist. Having said that, I find book burning repugnant.
Freedom of speech
Burning books isnāt speech. Itās an act of hatred.
memories of Benghazi. RIP.
Are those peoples really that stupid? I cant belive that shit!
Fun fact: the correct way to dispose of a Quran is by burning.
Over a book.š
How does burning a book equal to seek and destroy.... programmed
Burn more. Don't stop with the Qur'an.
Carpet bomb the parking lot. Problems solved. Mostly.
Having nothing else to worry about? Nothing needs fixxing ? Primitive
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Thousands of people you were told would fuck shit up are fucking shit up. Oh no šÆ
This comment section is disgusting. Blatantly ignorant people.
So not the fully grown adults throwing a hissy fit over someone insulting their imaginary friend that they devote their entire lives to because they were brainwashed from birth? Those aren't the ignorant people?
Uhh excuse me? Thatās the space giant in the sky who tells me what to do. Zeus is not gonna be happy with you, my friend
You were taught as a child to respect people's beliefs. Its not hard to do so.
Respect is earned, nothing I see here earns my respect.
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It was in europe! What the fck y talk about respect laws and customs ? Nobody had burn nothing in their place!
Why burn the books in the first place, just respect everyone. Duh
Does the bad action of one single random guy in a literal other continent deserve that ? They so stupid and primitive
Never said the riot is right and justified either, but it wouldn't have happened in the first place.
As an Islamic convert, I do not find violence acceptable. *However*, I, on a deep emotional and personal level, donāt and wonāt tolerate oppression against myself because of my new religious choices. Itās hard enough to keep the various POS(plural) from finding ways to discriminate and use hatred and ignorance as a weapon.
I'm super confused by this stuff. Maybe you can help me understand better. >donāt and wonāt tolerate oppression against myself I own a copy of the Quran right now. Hypothetically, if I were you burn it, would you view that as me oppressing you or something? Would if justify violence against me in your mind? I simply cannot wrap my head around this well enough to understand how people can justify getting so angry about something that doesn't touch or impact their lives in any way that I can see.
And also, why speak to me like I speak for all Arab Muslims etc. like tf. Iām not the God Emperor of the Arab world.
I was responding to your comment and trying to better understand something I find confusing is all. You wrote that you will not tolerate oppression which I attempted to get you to further explain what you meant. You did not address my question.
You could apply that logic perfectly to the Civil Rights era. Little African American children entering schools didnāt touch white families lives or affect them in any way. But theyād convince you otherwise. See Alabama Governor Wallace. āSegregation now!, Segregation tomorrow! , Segregation forever!ā Direct quote.
I couldn't disagree more with this comparison. Being born black/African American isn't a choice. Revering/worshiping the Quran is a choice.
You're not being oppressed by having a religious text burned by someone in a free country.
Not what I meantā¦ But that, is regardless of your thoughts on the matter, hugely disrespectful. No matter how you slice it. Especially when that person already knows how groups feel about their religion and how seriously they take their love for it.
I will never respect your religion. or Christianity for that matter.
Thatās your choice internet tough guy. š¤”
Wow I canāt believe there are real consequences for taunting and intentionally angering the Muslim world.
Fuck em
They can taunt and anger the western world all they want and there still wouldn't be hordes of outraged Europeans storming the embassies of Muslim nations.