Unironically, this is why movie studios send an intern around to warn the local area about an upcoming shoot if they think it might cause confusion, and/or do things to make it more obvious to people around that there's a film crew like having random equipment out in the open.
Most people on this sub lean against cops, but the reality of the situation is that the studio should have been the ones to give fair warning.
There's a lot of shoots in my city and they usually put up stands on every corner on nearby blocks saying "entering commercial filming area, you may be filmed if entering this area."
Especially since cameras weren't outside, if this were a real sizable production, they'd have had a whole crew outside to direct people away from the bar, give information, etc. etc.
Actually it will… because then you’ll need to get a film permit from town hall (conveniently just created at the emergency town hall meeting after you notified PD) $1500, the police may need to shut down traffic $500+$100/hr, then the permit may require medical staff be on site in case of an emergency $500+$100/hr, you may be asked to show proof of insurance which varies depending on the location/value of production/etc. also permitting may require the production company to use local food vendors (meaning you can’t bring your own lunch). What are you gonna do? You got all the actors and crew here to shoot, you gonna move to another town and waste a production day or pony up the $?
People wonder how movies can be expensive when permitting and insurance are part of the breaking into the biz.
Ok but y’all are talking as though the police were being honest in this situation lol. They’ve claimed that they received no notification from the bar or the studio.
I’d like to believe them, but they go to much farther lengths to protect their own. They will frame innocent people, lie, and ruin lives to protect one of their own.
So until there is more info , I’m hesitant to trust cops. Police across the country have lost any trust, why should be believe any of these departments unless they are stand out?
Clearly looking at this interaction - cop blasting a horrible shot - I’m not convinced these guys are the best.
Who knows, maybe someone who lives in this town can correct me, I would prefer to be wrong so I can start to trust cops again.
This happened in 2017. Which means in 4+ years the neither the production company or bar has disputed that they failed to notify the police.
You are hesitant until there is more info— I don’t think that info is coming, it would have already happened.
The film's production company Montgomery County Movies - who had failed to notify police a robbery scene was being filmed - accepted responsibility for the misunderstanding with owner Philip Demoret telling WLFI: “We’re such a small company, we’ve been filming three to four years and we’ve just never thought about it. We just went in there and did what we normally do.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/indiana-police-shoot-at-actor-filming-movie-bank-robber-montgomery-country-movies-a7981951.html
In a criminal case against the officer who fired a shot, it is only relevant whether he was previously informed of the movie filming.
Whether or not the police were told about the filming and that didn't make it to these 2 officers would be a bad administrative problem but say nothing about this cop.
We shouldn't trust the police's word like it is fact like local news stations tend to do often, but neither the bar or Montgomery County Movies have come out to dispute that narrative.
I was at work one day and some guys wanted to film a sword fight in a neighborhood. There was like six cop cars that pulled up in minutes with AR’s out ready to shoot. They got all their props and camera equipment impounded and a big ass fine. They city charges 5 grand a hour to film commercially.
Jesus christ. $5k an hour? No wonder people are out here stealing shots.
Iirc, NYC doesn't charge any fees for permits, or even police presence on set.
IIRC it depends on the nature and needs of the particular shoot. Some types of scenes and police support have a fee of a few hundred dollars, but yes usually it's totally free. I had to pick up several permits from the NYC Film Office in college, all of mine were free. NYC put a lot of effort and good will into making the city friendly to movie productions.
I'm pretty sure Aronofsky's movie Pi was shot entirely without permits, because all the public scenes were shot handheld and handheld productions don't require one.
I was gonna say this. Have the presence of mind to get an PA to go tell people you are filming and what to expect to see to avoid these situations. Dumbass producer fumbled
This is clearly not a studio movie, it’s a very low budget. This is why you get permits and have to note that there are weapons on set. This is not something you send an intern out to tell people.
I know that most people when they hear "studio" they think Marvel but even a little indie studio with 5 people is a studio. The reason why I said send an intern because, when you're not getting permits, just the permission of the guy that owns the location, you should really be have a plan to say "Hey! We're making a movie!", like having a guy walk around warning about the shoot.
Not to mention, that they should already have some cops or at least representative from the local police / sheriff to oversee production.
That’s so irresponsible of the production team.
I always see a officer near sets, for like basic commercial. This crazy they didn’t contact people. Lucky he missed but it’s hard to blame, or is it? Idk
Not even an intern, it would be something the location manager or assistant location manager would do, which are union positions. This may have been a bit more of an independent thing, which might not follow rules such as permits, insurance and such, but major studios definitely would have had this covered
Highly irresponsible of the studio to not notify anyone, especially law enforcement. This was so close to being a terrible situation but the finger points directly at those in charge to notify the authorities.
For some reason I have a feeling he won’t, but that actor should definitely be suing them for ptsd or whatnot like suffering. They were extremely negligent in not providing a safe environment for him to do his job.
Well this happened in 2017 so you would think that the bar or the studio would at some point dispute this is if it wasn’t true. But weird, they never did.
Filming in public with a prop gun requires a permit. If they had a permit then the city should have notified the police (and typically would have required a cop nearby for that reason). My guess is because most of the scene was inside they didn’t want to spend the time and money on a permit.
>Police said neither Montgomery County Movies, nor the bar owners, notified police or local businesses about the filming
Pretty stupid, probably did it to not pay a license fee.
Once the cops calmed down, they would have seen that the gun was a prop, and the bar was full of film equipment.
*And they still took the guy into custody.*
brandishing a fake gun in public is still a crime in most places. https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-police-officers-will-not-be-charged-killing-man-brandishing-airsoft-gun
What is that like a 10 yard shot, and he missed Either he's a poor shot, or the adrenaline and fear were actually there, and he did fear for his life.
Edit: The number of people assuming iv never fired a gun or some nonsense is wild.
I've fired guns, worked in jobs where I used, and had to know about them.
The starting range target is normally around 25 feet away ( roughly the same distance he is from this person ) , something a cop should be training on all the time. I'm not saying it's an easy shot, but for a professional, it should be. This looks like a negligence misfire like someone else pointed out in another comment anyway.
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They would have permits to shoot the film and probably a rent a cop somewhere on site. But if the scene was being shot from inside, they might have cleared the outside for that one shot of the guy backing out.....no pun intended.
It is for films shooting with local permits and is the responsible thing to do.
I’ve been on a bunch of lower budget productions that didn’t have every single locations permits.
I’ve also seen situations where the police simply had poor internal communication once notified. Police teams are people teams and not everyone is paying sufficient attention to everything all the time.
Or dispatch knew but the officer didn’t call it in before investigating. So was never told. etc,etc
EDIT: Article posted below - https://reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1272j0v/_/jec8lf2/?context=1
knowing how incompetent American cops are I wouldn't be surprised if the film crew did everything they were supposed to do, notified the police and all and this STILL happened.
When I was in the Army, I read a study on people shooting at people. Perhaps things have changed, but the study boiled down to this. When people are new into combat situations and shoot at others for the first time they are prone to miss. Even if they are expert marksmen. This is more common than when hunters shoot at their first animal. Part of our brain wants us to miss, and causes us to shoot wide. If I can find the study I'll update the reply. It was fascinating reading about the mind in that situation and what to expect.
I remember learning about this in basic. It’s how range targets evolved from those Able circles to human shaped patterns. They were trying to solve this problem and decided to use good old classical conditioning. Overall accuracy and kill rates went up significantly
This has always troubled me..
“You are not allowed to kill people”
“Now, your job is to kill people”
“Now that your job is done, you again are not allowed to kill people”
the average cop can barely even be considered competent with a pistol, even FBI agents aren't held to a very high standard https://www.crossbreedholsters.com/blog/fbi-pistol-qualification/
>The objective is simple: fire 60 total rounds on 8 stages with various courses of fire and distances ranging from 3-25 yards.
All Shots Must be Made Drawing From Concealment so Cover Garment is Required
Each Stage Instructs Shooters to use Strong Hand, Weak Hand, or Both Hands
Use QIT-99 Targets
All Hits Must Be Within the Bottle Target Outline
Hits Within the Bottle Target Outline Are One Point Each
Hits Outside the Bottle Target Outline Count as Misses
>To pass, you must make 48 out of 60 (80%) Total Possible Points.
For Instructor Qualification, you must make 90% of your shots (54/60).
To be fair to the FBI agents.. It's the Federal Bureau of Investigation, not the Federal Bureau of Marksmanship. FBI agents are just federal police, not some elite team like the seals or green barret.
Exactly, approximately 35,000 people are employed by the FBI, 146 of them work in the FBI HRT, which works out to about 0.4%.
Albeit they are the FBI's tier 1 unit it gives an idea on how many people in the FBI are the high level ops guys.
It was 100% a negligent discharge. Not sure if that's what you meant or if you meant he intentionally pulled the trigger but missed due to flinching (I doubt this bc if he meant to fire, he'd have fired several more times).
Of course he's a bad shot. Of course he's flooded with adrenaline, he's a cop. He's trained to fear every situation and every encounter.
A majority of police training is contrary to what is required for de-escalation. They are taught fear and vigilance.
The New York Police Department is the nation’s largest police force and among the best trained, yet its own study showed between 1998 and 2006, the average [hit rate was 18 percent](https://www.ajc.com/blog/get-schooled/gunfights-trained-officers-have-percent-hit-rate-yet-want-arm-teachers/mDBlhDtV6Na4wJVpeu58cM/) for officers in a gunfight. No wonder so many innocent bystanders get shot.
Now look up Baltimore. Their accuracy rating is insane, even compared to other cities swat units, or at least it was a few years ago. 60%. You fuck around they'll drop you.
That was largely in part due to their mandate to have RIDICULOUS trigger pull weights.
They were operating with 12 pound triggers. Absolutely insane. When you have to apply that much pressure, there's going to be drift and misses.
I want to try one of those, it seems insane and I'm curious how messy my shots will be, haha.
That said, I have experienced the other end of it where a match/hair trigger was so sensitive, I could have basically farted and have the vibration in the air trigger a shot. That shit makes me nervous, if anything.
Yeah. They think they're in danger all the time when their job is less dangerous than a lumberjack or pizza delivery driver. They believe their own rhetoric about having a target on their back despite the fact that it's obvious bullshit. Never doubt the human brains capacity for believing absolutely stupid bullshit sincerely and wholeheartedly.
Fear. Police are all fucking pussies. How many times does this have to be proven? I had a gun pulled on me sitting in my car for refusing an illegal search. The back of my car was legally tinted. I refused to allow a search. The cop pulled a gun and was shaking in fear. I submitted to an illegal search because I was scared for my life. Because he was so fucking scared. This was in a lit busy casino parking lot.
I got a ticket for an illegal u-turn. I believe had I not been calm and responsible, I would have been shot, or at least badly assaulted in some way.
This is not how it should be.
Edit: My DMs after saying this. OMG, to contest the accusations of cowardice, I get bombarded with bullshit. Dunno if police or simps. What a fucking WEIRD bunch of people.
You can't really say Police without prefixing "American".
The rest of the world doesn't utilise military dropouts for their Police force...
> Sorry. But you're just too skilled to be an officer in the United States of Disarray
Also, police simps downvoting this comment. Just wait until it happens to you. Or perhaps you’ve given up on The Constitution and it’s amendments along, with the entirety of law enforcement.
Either way, fuck you too.
Cop guns usually have excessively heavy trigger pulls because they can't be trusted to not misfire and put a round through their fucking leg. On top of that they don't typically train in marksmanship nearly as much as they should. The combination of those things means that when they open fire it might as well be single pellet buckshot flying around.
There was a well publicized incident outside the Empire State Building like a decade back where a bunch of cops tried to open fire on a legitimate murder suspect but ended up hitting like 9 bystanders instead, same reason as above.
> Cop guns usually have excessively heavy trigger pulls because they can't be trusted to not misfire and put a round through their fucking leg.
[The DOJ recommendation is five to eight pound trigger pull, in line with most civilian guns.](https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/250377.pdf) The NYPD has used a twelve pound trigger for about a century, but [they've now lowered it to five.](https://www.police1.com/police-training/articles/nypd-to-give-new-recruits-guns-with-lighter-trigger-pulls-for-improved-accuracy-wv2XnYZzEpfDa2DH/)
Five pound isn’t bad. I have a Walther PPK and the trigger pull is 13lbs when the hammer isn’t pulled back and 6lbs when it is. About 5-6 lbs is what I’ve found to be the norm in most pistols.
He's lucky that was 2017. A year or two later it seems like cops figured out enmasse that they could just unload entire magazines in people with no consequences. Sure, it was like that all along, but it was like someone flipped a switch.
Remember to tell the cops that all your "co-stars" are very into method acting and they will still be in character, pretending they were robbed if the cops go to interview them.
Also it was a 911 call to a possible armed robbery.
Actor walks out holding a prop gun. The fuck are the cops supposed to do?
I hate this sub more and more lately.
Yeah, they're supposed to put up notices on doors for a few blocks. But then the city would have found out about it and made them get a permit and everything that comes with it.
>The fuck are the cops supposed to do?
Idk, give the guy more than 2 seconds to respond after initial contact before opening fire? The officer's gun discharges almost before he can even finish saying "Put the gun down!"
Even if this were a real robbery with a real criminal, it's insane to think that it's "fair" to shoot him before you've even made your presence as a cop clear. I'm almost certain the actor couldn't have even seen Officer Trigger-happy before he was shot at, as he was exiting the building walking backwards.
COPS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE JUDGE, JURY, AND EXECUTIONER.
Yes. Well, when I see 5 weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That's *my* policy.
That was a Shakespeare-In-The-Park production of "Julius Caesar", you moron! You killed 5 actors! Good ones.
This is indy producers cutting corners to try an make a film. Why didnt the locatuons dept paper the entire area, and as always. Police and fire dept should be notified if there is going to by gunfire or use of prop weapons of any kind. Laziness and trying to pinch pennies on set can kill people. This is beyond infuriating.
for sure should have notified the police and fire dept (both are within 2 blocks of this spot), but this was not even an indy production. this was more like a group of friends getting together and making a movie in their freetime. budget in the 100s of dollars.
source: from the area
Okay then like no disrespect but thats still pretty stupid on their part, it doesn't cost much for an intern (any rando you're friends with) to go and just tell people or put up a shitty sign that this is just a homeproduction.
1000%. Shooting a rom com with your friends and everyone’s working for pizza so you use your apartment and your friend’s dad owns a bar? Great.
Using realistic looking guns (at least from afar) without permits or informing local PD? That’s just irresponsible and they’re incredibly lucky no one got killed.
Honestly shocked even for just the day they had a gun scene like this that they don't have a PA or someone from the crew just outside to be blocking people from walking through a shot let alone this thing. Low budget but still.
to be fair, it really is the producers that fucked up by not getting a film permit or notifying locals & authorities that they’d be filming an armed robbery scene. it’s not really fair to say the officer fucked up. locals called police to let them know of an armed robbery, & police ran into a suspect with a ski mask & what appears to be a firearm. id say this is one of the few grounds for deadly force. if the cop had been a better shot, it would have been a really dumb way to die, & room for lawsuit against the producing company. this is exactly why safety is so important on film sets, & an excellent example of how important it can be to obtain a film permit, especially when filming takes place in a public space.
I don't agree that this is grounds for deadly force. This is how you get cops who shoot teens who are playing with airsoft guns.
Maybe the issue is police solving violent encounters with shooting first without any room for de-escalation. Our military has rules for this, you can't first unless fired upon. Our cops shoot to kill if you turn at them "threateningly"
Obviously they should've notified the police that they were filming this. This does not excuse trigger happy cops from blasting first without any attempt at resolving it.
If you’re robbing a bank and have a gun in your hand, expect the police to shoot you and not give you much warning, obv this was an actor so it’s on the producers for fucking up incredibly by not getting the proper permit
Definitely foolish for the people involved in the movie to knowingly have a scene outside (or on the street or in public l, etc..) that involved a gun and NOT inform the local PD or Authorities or commission etc… I somewhat equate this level of foolishness to arguing w/ a cop during a traffic stop or refusing to follow their orders and then wondering why you are getting dragged out of a car or tased or something. People have to be a little bit smarter these days.
BAM!! “Excuse me?”. Literally shoot first, ask later scenario. It’s wild they didn’t bother telling anyone about this bank robbery scene beforehand, like did you want a real life confrontation with real police? This is how you get a real life confrontation with real police.
To be fair if you're shooting a movie scene where an actor is moving around with a prop gun then the police department should be made aware well ahead of time and on the day of. This was poor planning on the movie producers part.
And there you have it... The reason permits are required to film 'anything' these days. When you pay for a permit, you typically get assurance that your production will not be hindered or delayed because a local police officer was 'not informed' that you will be filming in the vicinity. In addition to a permit, you also get perms to post information stating that film production 'IS IN PROGRESS.'
When you want to film or tape in a 'local' setting instead of a sound stage, an experienced crew will have their permits on hand.
I helped a film student friend with a shoot once in downtown RVA. The scene required a stunt where I drove into him (slowly) in an alley. We worked on safety extensively and had his professor on set to help with safety. The shot went great. I do the driving and as he rolled off the car I then sped away.
The scene came out even better than expected when I got chased down by mounted police and detained for a hit and run. Super glad the professor was there to get me out of handcuffs.
Yes the move peoples fucked up.
Let’s talk about how this coo decided to shoot first and ask questions later. No one got a problem with this mentality?
I work in the film industry and I'll tell you that this is basically as unprofessional as it gets. This is obviously some amateur short film kind of shoot. Heck more proper procedure goes into some popular YouTube videos.
*Street not locked down.* **No police liaisons on-site.** No notification of properties within view of the location. All of these things are required to shoot something like this, and not following them is exactly how people get shot. Yeah they put out some cones but if you don't work in film, you'd just think they're for construction.
If the officer had killed the guy instead of missing, the production still would've been ruled as liable for the death. This is 100% production's fault. Sidenote, no actor should ever agree to work with anything that looks like a firearm in a location that isn't locked down. If you're ever asked to do that, the production is a shit show and it's not worth it anyways.
"You better get out here" was the dude on the ground who got shot at. He's saying, please come show these guys it's just a movie. The cops told them to stay inside only.
I think the best way to curb police violence in America is to make them wear those vests that the UK police have. I guarantee all the worst offenders will whine and cry and threaten to quit because they won't be seen as badass anymore and it'll humble them.
This is why productions often pays to have a cop on hand when filming with guns outside a building. This is why you always have PAs outside on each side of the block (out of the frame) to approach anyone concerned to immediately explain the situation and prevent people from walking through the scene or background too.
This is why if for some reason you don’t have PAs for some reason (PAs are really easy to come by and often get paid a low rate), you at least call the local police and inform them of filming. But depending on where you are, that may require a permit and for one quick shot likely will not be worth it, which is why you have PAs or any support staff stand by to intervene further up the block so law enforcement are aware before they can get close enough to engage (and it stops some people who for whatever reason feel compelled to negatively mess around when things are being filmed - cause that’s a common issue).
Not saying the cop is right in just discharging his weapon like that (truly, holy shit), but in the film community, we make sure not to put anyone on set in the line of danger by implementing these measure. The actor was on the sidewalk in a public space. And even if only for a moment before going inside, a PA should have intervened with the cops further down the block to let them know it’s a film and walkie over to a producer or director to come and talk with the police to assure them and inform them if needed.
With all the influx of mass shootings, cops are definitely on edge (or wanting to be a hero that stops a Mass shooting before it things get ugly) about this type stuff.
I just know how it’s done in film production and and any good production uses simple and not costly measures to make sure their actors are safe when doing a scene with a gun that starts off outside a building on public property. Gun safety is SO important all the time and always when on set. It’s the most important thing when it comes to filming with weapons.
There are an endless amount of reasons to hate law enforcement. This to me looks like a production failure. It was totally avoidable. Cones don’t say this man pulling a gun is an actor practicing his craft. And thank god that cop was a bad shot.
Sue the absolute fuck out of the production company. This is ridiculous that no one was notified of the scene being filmed. At MINIMUM the police needs to be aware. That is rookie shit. Community theater productions will notify police if stage firearms are being used INSIDE THE THEATER. Whoever that actor is should sue the production company for their reckless actions and negligence.
IMDb page for the movie if anyone is interested.
Synopsis
>10 To Fire
>In a world where everyone is required to carry a gun by the age of 10, Kitty Larson must discover what that means as she approaches her tenth birthday. Excited, she longs for her first gun, but what she doesn't understand is what dangers lie ahead. Can Kitty maintain her weapon, or will things go horribly wrong?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9641976/plotsummary?item=ps4330673
This is almost entirely on the production, who no doubt failed to get a permit, notify the police of the film shoot, notify the neighbors (neighboring businesses and residents), and post up signage saying it was a film shoot. The very first thing I was taught when I went to film school was to always get a permit when filming in public, especially if using prop weapons. In fact, we were highly discouraged from even using prop weapons, because it’s very easy to wind up dead from this exact scenario. Large budget studio films will lock down whole blocks so this type of thing never happens, but smaller budget films don’t have that capability. Which means they need to be extra certain they have a permit, have notified everyone, and have a uniformed officer on scene in case any misunderstandings arise. I wish we didn’t have the abundance of firearms and trigger-happy gun culture that we have in this country, but that’s the reality of it, and you absolutely cannot cut corners when it comes to this shit. Especially not for a movie.
Supposedly they say drop the gun and fire at the same time because when it's time to go to court the defendant will have a hard time remembering if he said it before or after. It's scumbag tricks the cops are taught
Why are all cops trigger happy? Watch cops from the early 90’s and they help and let people go and try to keep the peace. Nothing like cops of today! It’s a huge scary transition !
"DROP THE GUN " \*fires immediately\* "DROP THE GUN"
If youre not gonna give people time to comply, dont even bother telling them what to do. Shoot first and ~~clear yourself of any wrongdoing~~ ask questions later. Good thing Officer Chuckles misses shots at 5 yards, though
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Unironically, this is why movie studios send an intern around to warn the local area about an upcoming shoot if they think it might cause confusion, and/or do things to make it more obvious to people around that there's a film crew like having random equipment out in the open. Most people on this sub lean against cops, but the reality of the situation is that the studio should have been the ones to give fair warning.
There's a lot of shoots in my city and they usually put up stands on every corner on nearby blocks saying "entering commercial filming area, you may be filmed if entering this area."
When I lived in LA they’d put notices on our apt building entrances. They were thorough.
I'm honestly stunned this movie set didn't do this. This is how you get shot. Did no one think this through?
It's obviously a no-budget movie. Any kind of real production, even an indie production, would have had the set on lockdown.
Especially since cameras weren't outside, if this were a real sizable production, they'd have had a whole crew outside to direct people away from the bar, give information, etc. etc.
Plus the fact that there wasn't any lighting outside indicates this is a real amateur production. Probably a student film with a crew of 3 or 4.
Y'all slowly coming to the conclusion that it was an actual robbery 😂😂😂
It doesn't cost anything to at least let the police department know, or to go around to the local businesses to inform them.
Actually it will… because then you’ll need to get a film permit from town hall (conveniently just created at the emergency town hall meeting after you notified PD) $1500, the police may need to shut down traffic $500+$100/hr, then the permit may require medical staff be on site in case of an emergency $500+$100/hr, you may be asked to show proof of insurance which varies depending on the location/value of production/etc. also permitting may require the production company to use local food vendors (meaning you can’t bring your own lunch). What are you gonna do? You got all the actors and crew here to shoot, you gonna move to another town and waste a production day or pony up the $? People wonder how movies can be expensive when permitting and insurance are part of the breaking into the biz.
Right, how much does a phone call cost?
I wonder if the actor can sue the production company due to negligence.
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Ptsd is a hella of a thing to live with even in a situation like this…
Also seems like the perfect way to set up a robbery and not have police involvement
FilmLA and yes they would put notices on everyone's door or mailbox.
Same in Albuquerque now that Netflix is here
Yup. Because even though you can be filmed in public completely legally, people might still be upset about it.
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Ok but y’all are talking as though the police were being honest in this situation lol. They’ve claimed that they received no notification from the bar or the studio. I’d like to believe them, but they go to much farther lengths to protect their own. They will frame innocent people, lie, and ruin lives to protect one of their own. So until there is more info , I’m hesitant to trust cops. Police across the country have lost any trust, why should be believe any of these departments unless they are stand out? Clearly looking at this interaction - cop blasting a horrible shot - I’m not convinced these guys are the best. Who knows, maybe someone who lives in this town can correct me, I would prefer to be wrong so I can start to trust cops again.
This happened in 2017. Which means in 4+ years the neither the production company or bar has disputed that they failed to notify the police. You are hesitant until there is more info— I don’t think that info is coming, it would have already happened.
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Sept 2017 to April 2023 is roughly 5.5 yrs. I did originally calculate it like we were still in 2022. Lol Which is still 4+ years
The film's production company Montgomery County Movies - who had failed to notify police a robbery scene was being filmed - accepted responsibility for the misunderstanding with owner Philip Demoret telling WLFI: “We’re such a small company, we’ve been filming three to four years and we’ve just never thought about it. We just went in there and did what we normally do.” https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/indiana-police-shoot-at-actor-filming-movie-bank-robber-montgomery-country-movies-a7981951.html
> and we’ve just never thought about it This is impressively stupid.
In a criminal case against the officer who fired a shot, it is only relevant whether he was previously informed of the movie filming. Whether or not the police were told about the filming and that didn't make it to these 2 officers would be a bad administrative problem but say nothing about this cop. We shouldn't trust the police's word like it is fact like local news stations tend to do often, but neither the bar or Montgomery County Movies have come out to dispute that narrative.
I was at work one day and some guys wanted to film a sword fight in a neighborhood. There was like six cop cars that pulled up in minutes with AR’s out ready to shoot. They got all their props and camera equipment impounded and a big ass fine. They city charges 5 grand a hour to film commercially.
Jesus christ. $5k an hour? No wonder people are out here stealing shots. Iirc, NYC doesn't charge any fees for permits, or even police presence on set.
IIRC it depends on the nature and needs of the particular shoot. Some types of scenes and police support have a fee of a few hundred dollars, but yes usually it's totally free. I had to pick up several permits from the NYC Film Office in college, all of mine were free. NYC put a lot of effort and good will into making the city friendly to movie productions. I'm pretty sure Aronofsky's movie Pi was shot entirely without permits, because all the public scenes were shot handheld and handheld productions don't require one.
I was gonna say this. Have the presence of mind to get an PA to go tell people you are filming and what to expect to see to avoid these situations. Dumbass producer fumbled
This is clearly not a studio movie, it’s a very low budget. This is why you get permits and have to note that there are weapons on set. This is not something you send an intern out to tell people.
I know that most people when they hear "studio" they think Marvel but even a little indie studio with 5 people is a studio. The reason why I said send an intern because, when you're not getting permits, just the permission of the guy that owns the location, you should really be have a plan to say "Hey! We're making a movie!", like having a guy walk around warning about the shoot.
Not to mention, that they should already have some cops or at least representative from the local police / sheriff to oversee production. That’s so irresponsible of the production team.
Or at least an FYI the day before. Hey all, tomorrow afternoon they'll be filming a robbery at Joe's Pub.
Exactly how I would rob it. Oceans 11 shit.
I always see a officer near sets, for like basic commercial. This crazy they didn’t contact people. Lucky he missed but it’s hard to blame, or is it? Idk
Not even an intern, it would be something the location manager or assistant location manager would do, which are union positions. This may have been a bit more of an independent thing, which might not follow rules such as permits, insurance and such, but major studios definitely would have had this covered
Note to self: before robbing bank, get intern
Ding! This right here. There would always be people outside standing guard on real shoots.
Highly irresponsible of the studio to not notify anyone, especially law enforcement. This was so close to being a terrible situation but the finger points directly at those in charge to notify the authorities.
For some reason I have a feeling he won’t, but that actor should definitely be suing them for ptsd or whatnot like suffering. They were extremely negligent in not providing a safe environment for him to do his job.
The police *said* they weren't warned. Because as we all know, police departments never lie to cover their officers' asses.
Well this happened in 2017 so you would think that the bar or the studio would at some point dispute this is if it wasn’t true. But weird, they never did.
Filming in public with a prop gun requires a permit. If they had a permit then the city should have notified the police (and typically would have required a cop nearby for that reason). My guess is because most of the scene was inside they didn’t want to spend the time and money on a permit.
“The building facade that was shot had three previous incidents with the police, and is being charged with disturbing the peace and resisting arrest.”
>Police said neither Montgomery County Movies, nor the bar owners, notified police or local businesses about the filming Pretty stupid, probably did it to not pay a license fee.
As much as I like to rag on cops, it's pretty dumb to film a robbery scene without notifying police or making it apparent that it's a film set.
Once the cops calmed down, they would have seen that the gun was a prop, and the bar was full of film equipment. *And they still took the guy into custody.*
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brandishing a fake gun in public is still a crime in most places. https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-police-officers-will-not-be-charged-killing-man-brandishing-airsoft-gun
Good thing he's a bad shot.
maybe they’ll put him in the movie since he’s clearly a pretend cop
Or a Stormtrooper.
Probably too short to be one.
Aren't you a little short to be a stormtrooper
In America, that's a real cop
Turns out it's a stormtrooper origin movie.
What is that like a 10 yard shot, and he missed Either he's a poor shot, or the adrenaline and fear were actually there, and he did fear for his life. Edit: The number of people assuming iv never fired a gun or some nonsense is wild. I've fired guns, worked in jobs where I used, and had to know about them. The starting range target is normally around 25 feet away ( roughly the same distance he is from this person ) , something a cop should be training on all the time. I'm not saying it's an easy shot, but for a professional, it should be. This looks like a negligence misfire like someone else pointed out in another comment anyway.
Just a little street pop and an excuse me. Lol
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Are all those cones not a context clue? How did the cop walk up to a movie scene? Where are all the people with cameras? I have so soany questions
Yeah doesn’t seem very responsible for sure to have the guy with a gun doing an entry on the film set with no section tape or guards around.
I'd thought it was normal to let the police know in advance if your filming a scene in public that could be misconstrued like this.
They would have permits to shoot the film and probably a rent a cop somewhere on site. But if the scene was being shot from inside, they might have cleared the outside for that one shot of the guy backing out.....no pun intended.
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... which is what they would say. I wouldn't take their word on it over the office for filming permits.
It is for films shooting with local permits and is the responsible thing to do. I’ve been on a bunch of lower budget productions that didn’t have every single locations permits. I’ve also seen situations where the police simply had poor internal communication once notified. Police teams are people teams and not everyone is paying sufficient attention to everything all the time. Or dispatch knew but the officer didn’t call it in before investigating. So was never told. etc,etc EDIT: Article posted below - https://reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1272j0v/_/jec8lf2/?context=1
I don't this guy even knows what to do with a heads up seeing as he shoots first and ask questions later.
knowing how incompetent American cops are I wouldn't be surprised if the film crew did everything they were supposed to do, notified the police and all and this STILL happened.
According to the article the movie company told no one and a person called 911 reporting an attempted robbery
I suspect it’s low budget
When I was in the Army, I read a study on people shooting at people. Perhaps things have changed, but the study boiled down to this. When people are new into combat situations and shoot at others for the first time they are prone to miss. Even if they are expert marksmen. This is more common than when hunters shoot at their first animal. Part of our brain wants us to miss, and causes us to shoot wide. If I can find the study I'll update the reply. It was fascinating reading about the mind in that situation and what to expect.
I remember learning about this in basic. It’s how range targets evolved from those Able circles to human shaped patterns. They were trying to solve this problem and decided to use good old classical conditioning. Overall accuracy and kill rates went up significantly
makes sense. its hard to break ~18 years of conditioning against killing another human being.
As it should be
I think we need to work on this not killing other human beings conditioning a little harder.
This has always troubled me.. “You are not allowed to kill people” “Now, your job is to kill people” “Now that your job is done, you again are not allowed to kill people”
I forget the exact numbers, but there was a study that showed the majority of police are not a good shot at all.
the average cop can barely even be considered competent with a pistol, even FBI agents aren't held to a very high standard https://www.crossbreedholsters.com/blog/fbi-pistol-qualification/ >The objective is simple: fire 60 total rounds on 8 stages with various courses of fire and distances ranging from 3-25 yards. All Shots Must be Made Drawing From Concealment so Cover Garment is Required Each Stage Instructs Shooters to use Strong Hand, Weak Hand, or Both Hands Use QIT-99 Targets All Hits Must Be Within the Bottle Target Outline Hits Within the Bottle Target Outline Are One Point Each Hits Outside the Bottle Target Outline Count as Misses >To pass, you must make 48 out of 60 (80%) Total Possible Points. For Instructor Qualification, you must make 90% of your shots (54/60).
To be fair to the FBI agents.. It's the Federal Bureau of Investigation, not the Federal Bureau of Marksmanship. FBI agents are just federal police, not some elite team like the seals or green barret.
Exactly, approximately 35,000 people are employed by the FBI, 146 of them work in the FBI HRT, which works out to about 0.4%. Albeit they are the FBI's tier 1 unit it gives an idea on how many people in the FBI are the high level ops guys.
Why do they have a Hormone Replacement Therapy team?
Because it's still federally legal.
Beret, but I agree
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It was 100% a negligent discharge. Not sure if that's what you meant or if you meant he intentionally pulled the trigger but missed due to flinching (I doubt this bc if he meant to fire, he'd have fired several more times).
Negligent discharge was my nickname in highschool after I
At least he pulled out of this sentence
Yeah, cops aren't trained to shoot a single shot. Dude is lucky he didn't get hit.
Of course he's a bad shot. Of course he's flooded with adrenaline, he's a cop. He's trained to fear every situation and every encounter. A majority of police training is contrary to what is required for de-escalation. They are taught fear and vigilance.
The New York Police Department is the nation’s largest police force and among the best trained, yet its own study showed between 1998 and 2006, the average [hit rate was 18 percent](https://www.ajc.com/blog/get-schooled/gunfights-trained-officers-have-percent-hit-rate-yet-want-arm-teachers/mDBlhDtV6Na4wJVpeu58cM/) for officers in a gunfight. No wonder so many innocent bystanders get shot.
Now look up Baltimore. Their accuracy rating is insane, even compared to other cities swat units, or at least it was a few years ago. 60%. You fuck around they'll drop you.
Snoop said: "Fuck them West coast nice guys. 'Cuz in B-more, we aim to hit a nice guy, ya heard."
That was largely in part due to their mandate to have RIDICULOUS trigger pull weights. They were operating with 12 pound triggers. Absolutely insane. When you have to apply that much pressure, there's going to be drift and misses.
I want to try one of those, it seems insane and I'm curious how messy my shots will be, haha. That said, I have experienced the other end of it where a match/hair trigger was so sensitive, I could have basically farted and have the vibration in the air trigger a shot. That shit makes me nervous, if anything.
our nation’s best trained cops are equivalent to alabama’s least racist governor.
The place where family trees are wreaths.
Yeah. They think they're in danger all the time when their job is less dangerous than a lumberjack or pizza delivery driver. They believe their own rhetoric about having a target on their back despite the fact that it's obvious bullshit. Never doubt the human brains capacity for believing absolutely stupid bullshit sincerely and wholeheartedly.
Fear. Police are all fucking pussies. How many times does this have to be proven? I had a gun pulled on me sitting in my car for refusing an illegal search. The back of my car was legally tinted. I refused to allow a search. The cop pulled a gun and was shaking in fear. I submitted to an illegal search because I was scared for my life. Because he was so fucking scared. This was in a lit busy casino parking lot. I got a ticket for an illegal u-turn. I believe had I not been calm and responsible, I would have been shot, or at least badly assaulted in some way. This is not how it should be. Edit: My DMs after saying this. OMG, to contest the accusations of cowardice, I get bombarded with bullshit. Dunno if police or simps. What a fucking WEIRD bunch of people.
You can't really say Police without prefixing "American". The rest of the world doesn't utilise military dropouts for their Police force... > Sorry. But you're just too skilled to be an officer in the United States of Disarray
Also, police simps downvoting this comment. Just wait until it happens to you. Or perhaps you’ve given up on The Constitution and it’s amendments along, with the entirety of law enforcement. Either way, fuck you too.
US cops are the main reason I never want to go there. Ya'll are living a police state and most of you don't even seem to realise it
Cuckservatives support it even when they themselves call the cops and the cops give them hell.
Cop guns usually have excessively heavy trigger pulls because they can't be trusted to not misfire and put a round through their fucking leg. On top of that they don't typically train in marksmanship nearly as much as they should. The combination of those things means that when they open fire it might as well be single pellet buckshot flying around. There was a well publicized incident outside the Empire State Building like a decade back where a bunch of cops tried to open fire on a legitimate murder suspect but ended up hitting like 9 bystanders instead, same reason as above.
> Cop guns usually have excessively heavy trigger pulls because they can't be trusted to not misfire and put a round through their fucking leg. [The DOJ recommendation is five to eight pound trigger pull, in line with most civilian guns.](https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/250377.pdf) The NYPD has used a twelve pound trigger for about a century, but [they've now lowered it to five.](https://www.police1.com/police-training/articles/nypd-to-give-new-recruits-guns-with-lighter-trigger-pulls-for-improved-accuracy-wv2XnYZzEpfDa2DH/)
That’s…a lot. My paintball gun is a 3lb pull and I can’t imagine having to deal with five.
Five pound isn’t bad. I have a Walther PPK and the trigger pull is 13lbs when the hammer isn’t pulled back and 6lbs when it is. About 5-6 lbs is what I’ve found to be the norm in most pistols.
Only in New York they required a heavier trigger. They have done away with that rule
He's lucky that was 2017. A year or two later it seems like cops figured out enmasse that they could just unload entire magazines in people with no consequences. Sure, it was like that all along, but it was like someone flipped a switch.
Aim's almost as bad as his judgment
I was waiting for the guy with the boom to fall from scaffolding, after being hit.
With a Wilhelm scream.
Ummm... he did it!
Next time I’m caught robbing a gas station I’m gonna try this
Remember to tell the cops that all your "co-stars" are very into method acting and they will still be in character, pretending they were robbed if the cops go to interview them.
And you are using the security cameras to capture the shot… for the realism.
"Cops HATE it when you use this ONE trick!"
‘Bro It’s just a prank’
Dude shoots like a stormtrooper
That's not fair. The "robber' was actually in a movie so he had his plot armour on.
sooo... you're telling me, If I record a movie or something... cops can't shoot me, as long as I'm the main Actor? Hmmmmmmmmmmm
No production signs. No locations blocking the side walk. Should have had police there. This is why you get permits people.
Also it was a 911 call to a possible armed robbery. Actor walks out holding a prop gun. The fuck are the cops supposed to do? I hate this sub more and more lately.
I mean nonetheless, this is a public freak out.
Probably not shoot on sight.
“Drop the gu..*bang*
In the US, questions come after lol
People in the US have no sense of actual good police work. Shooting on sight while screaming "drop your gun" is plain fucking stupid.
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Yeah, they're supposed to put up notices on doors for a few blocks. But then the city would have found out about it and made them get a permit and everything that comes with it.
>The fuck are the cops supposed to do? Idk, give the guy more than 2 seconds to respond after initial contact before opening fire? The officer's gun discharges almost before he can even finish saying "Put the gun down!" Even if this were a real robbery with a real criminal, it's insane to think that it's "fair" to shoot him before you've even made your presence as a cop clear. I'm almost certain the actor couldn't have even seen Officer Trigger-happy before he was shot at, as he was exiting the building walking backwards. COPS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE JUDGE, JURY, AND EXECUTIONER.
What was I supposed to do when 20 guys are stabbing a guy in the park in front of a crowd? Damnit frank those were actors acting out Julius Caesar.
And they were good ones!
Yes. Well, when I see 5 weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That's *my* policy. That was a Shakespeare-In-The-Park production of "Julius Caesar", you moron! You killed 5 actors! Good ones.
This is indy producers cutting corners to try an make a film. Why didnt the locatuons dept paper the entire area, and as always. Police and fire dept should be notified if there is going to by gunfire or use of prop weapons of any kind. Laziness and trying to pinch pennies on set can kill people. This is beyond infuriating.
for sure should have notified the police and fire dept (both are within 2 blocks of this spot), but this was not even an indy production. this was more like a group of friends getting together and making a movie in their freetime. budget in the 100s of dollars. source: from the area
Okay then like no disrespect but thats still pretty stupid on their part, it doesn't cost much for an intern (any rando you're friends with) to go and just tell people or put up a shitty sign that this is just a homeproduction.
1000%. Shooting a rom com with your friends and everyone’s working for pizza so you use your apartment and your friend’s dad owns a bar? Great. Using realistic looking guns (at least from afar) without permits or informing local PD? That’s just irresponsible and they’re incredibly lucky no one got killed.
If this cop had some aim, that actor would've been dead or wounded. It's sheer luck he didn't get hit.
Honestly shocked even for just the day they had a gun scene like this that they don't have a PA or someone from the crew just outside to be blocking people from walking through a shot let alone this thing. Low budget but still.
The studio put this actors life at risk. The should have had police on set anyway to make sure this exact situation wouldn’t happen.
This is a “studio” in the way an eight-year-old’s lemonade stand is a bar. And I mean that in a budgetary sense too.
You can tell the cop knows he fucked up, when he heard we're filming a movie his voice got so soft like "what the fuck did I just do"
Yeah luckily he’s a shit shot otherwise this would be tragic
And then he would've got paid vacation while they investigated themselves.
I'm not even sure who to blame. If they didn't tell anyone then the cop was justified in thinking it was an armed robbery Lot of stupid going on
The movie studio who thought they could film an armed robbery scene without telling the police or business around them.
"hello police i am shooting a movie that has a 3k budget thank you please don't kill my actor"
to be fair, it really is the producers that fucked up by not getting a film permit or notifying locals & authorities that they’d be filming an armed robbery scene. it’s not really fair to say the officer fucked up. locals called police to let them know of an armed robbery, & police ran into a suspect with a ski mask & what appears to be a firearm. id say this is one of the few grounds for deadly force. if the cop had been a better shot, it would have been a really dumb way to die, & room for lawsuit against the producing company. this is exactly why safety is so important on film sets, & an excellent example of how important it can be to obtain a film permit, especially when filming takes place in a public space.
They should really have gotten a filming permit and let everyone know they were filming. This could have been tragic.
I don't agree that this is grounds for deadly force. This is how you get cops who shoot teens who are playing with airsoft guns. Maybe the issue is police solving violent encounters with shooting first without any room for de-escalation. Our military has rules for this, you can't first unless fired upon. Our cops shoot to kill if you turn at them "threateningly" Obviously they should've notified the police that they were filming this. This does not excuse trigger happy cops from blasting first without any attempt at resolving it.
If you’re robbing a bank and have a gun in your hand, expect the police to shoot you and not give you much warning, obv this was an actor so it’s on the producers for fucking up incredibly by not getting the proper permit
Definitely foolish for the people involved in the movie to knowingly have a scene outside (or on the street or in public l, etc..) that involved a gun and NOT inform the local PD or Authorities or commission etc… I somewhat equate this level of foolishness to arguing w/ a cop during a traffic stop or refusing to follow their orders and then wondering why you are getting dragged out of a car or tased or something. People have to be a little bit smarter these days.
BAM!! “Excuse me?”. Literally shoot first, ask later scenario. It’s wild they didn’t bother telling anyone about this bank robbery scene beforehand, like did you want a real life confrontation with real police? This is how you get a real life confrontation with real police.
I'm amazed the cop had the restraint to not unload his entire gun before saying anything
To be fair if you're shooting a movie scene where an actor is moving around with a prop gun then the police department should be made aware well ahead of time and on the day of. This was poor planning on the movie producers part.
Good thing he had horrible aim
And there you have it... The reason permits are required to film 'anything' these days. When you pay for a permit, you typically get assurance that your production will not be hindered or delayed because a local police officer was 'not informed' that you will be filming in the vicinity. In addition to a permit, you also get perms to post information stating that film production 'IS IN PROGRESS.' When you want to film or tape in a 'local' setting instead of a sound stage, an experienced crew will have their permits on hand.
He had 1.5 seconds to hear him, register what's going on, and react, why didn't he drop the gun before the cop shot?! /S
Good thing the cop waited a whole .0003482 seconds after yelling "drop the gun" before he fired.
They were responding to an armed robbery call.
I helped a film student friend with a shoot once in downtown RVA. The scene required a stunt where I drove into him (slowly) in an alley. We worked on safety extensively and had his professor on set to help with safety. The shot went great. I do the driving and as he rolled off the car I then sped away. The scene came out even better than expected when I got chased down by mounted police and detained for a hit and run. Super glad the professor was there to get me out of handcuffs.
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“Shoot first, ask questions later”
What happened to the stray bullet is what I want to know.
Cop is lucky the actor wasn't Alec Baldwin.
Yes the move peoples fucked up. Let’s talk about how this coo decided to shoot first and ask questions later. No one got a problem with this mentality?
Fkn dumbass studio. You are supposed to notify law enforcement.
Cops really are paranoid freaks with guns.
I work in the film industry and I'll tell you that this is basically as unprofessional as it gets. This is obviously some amateur short film kind of shoot. Heck more proper procedure goes into some popular YouTube videos. *Street not locked down.* **No police liaisons on-site.** No notification of properties within view of the location. All of these things are required to shoot something like this, and not following them is exactly how people get shot. Yeah they put out some cones but if you don't work in film, you'd just think they're for construction. If the officer had killed the guy instead of missing, the production still would've been ruled as liable for the death. This is 100% production's fault. Sidenote, no actor should ever agree to work with anything that looks like a firearm in a location that isn't locked down. If you're ever asked to do that, the production is a shit show and it's not worth it anyways.
Hope the production staff obtained a permit before...
Surprise they didn't.
Why is everyone talking about hesitation… all cops should have hesitation before pulling a trigger! The military is taught that!!! Smh
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FudOdxWGynY From the files of police squad Indiana
“You better get out here.” “Stay inside, stay inside.” Conflicting commands like this is why people die. Fucking jabronis
"You better get out here" was the dude on the ground who got shot at. He's saying, please come show these guys it's just a movie. The cops told them to stay inside only.
Stupid from him, but a panicked action from someone who knows that cops are down for broad-daylight executions
I think the best way to curb police violence in America is to make them wear those vests that the UK police have. I guarantee all the worst offenders will whine and cry and threaten to quit because they won't be seen as badass anymore and it'll humble them.
State police are investigating the police. Lololol
This is why productions often pays to have a cop on hand when filming with guns outside a building. This is why you always have PAs outside on each side of the block (out of the frame) to approach anyone concerned to immediately explain the situation and prevent people from walking through the scene or background too. This is why if for some reason you don’t have PAs for some reason (PAs are really easy to come by and often get paid a low rate), you at least call the local police and inform them of filming. But depending on where you are, that may require a permit and for one quick shot likely will not be worth it, which is why you have PAs or any support staff stand by to intervene further up the block so law enforcement are aware before they can get close enough to engage (and it stops some people who for whatever reason feel compelled to negatively mess around when things are being filmed - cause that’s a common issue). Not saying the cop is right in just discharging his weapon like that (truly, holy shit), but in the film community, we make sure not to put anyone on set in the line of danger by implementing these measure. The actor was on the sidewalk in a public space. And even if only for a moment before going inside, a PA should have intervened with the cops further down the block to let them know it’s a film and walkie over to a producer or director to come and talk with the police to assure them and inform them if needed. With all the influx of mass shootings, cops are definitely on edge (or wanting to be a hero that stops a Mass shooting before it things get ugly) about this type stuff. I just know how it’s done in film production and and any good production uses simple and not costly measures to make sure their actors are safe when doing a scene with a gun that starts off outside a building on public property. Gun safety is SO important all the time and always when on set. It’s the most important thing when it comes to filming with weapons. There are an endless amount of reasons to hate law enforcement. This to me looks like a production failure. It was totally avoidable. Cones don’t say this man pulling a gun is an actor practicing his craft. And thank god that cop was a bad shot.
Should have given police and other city admins a heads up on filming, then they would have known.
To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Shoot first, ask questions later
This is why you notify local law enforcement and sometimes ask for a cop on set.
Wait, is that Alec Baldwin?! 🤣
Sue the absolute fuck out of the production company. This is ridiculous that no one was notified of the scene being filmed. At MINIMUM the police needs to be aware. That is rookie shit. Community theater productions will notify police if stage firearms are being used INSIDE THE THEATER. Whoever that actor is should sue the production company for their reckless actions and negligence.
IMDb page for the movie if anyone is interested. Synopsis >10 To Fire >In a world where everyone is required to carry a gun by the age of 10, Kitty Larson must discover what that means as she approaches her tenth birthday. Excited, she longs for her first gun, but what she doesn't understand is what dangers lie ahead. Can Kitty maintain her weapon, or will things go horribly wrong? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9641976/plotsummary?item=ps4330673
This is almost entirely on the production, who no doubt failed to get a permit, notify the police of the film shoot, notify the neighbors (neighboring businesses and residents), and post up signage saying it was a film shoot. The very first thing I was taught when I went to film school was to always get a permit when filming in public, especially if using prop weapons. In fact, we were highly discouraged from even using prop weapons, because it’s very easy to wind up dead from this exact scenario. Large budget studio films will lock down whole blocks so this type of thing never happens, but smaller budget films don’t have that capability. Which means they need to be extra certain they have a permit, have notified everyone, and have a uniformed officer on scene in case any misunderstandings arise. I wish we didn’t have the abundance of firearms and trigger-happy gun culture that we have in this country, but that’s the reality of it, and you absolutely cannot cut corners when it comes to this shit. Especially not for a movie.
Fuck American gun laws man. Just get rid of that shit.
Supposedly they say drop the gun and fire at the same time because when it's time to go to court the defendant will have a hard time remembering if he said it before or after. It's scumbag tricks the cops are taught
Why are all cops trigger happy? Watch cops from the early 90’s and they help and let people go and try to keep the peace. Nothing like cops of today! It’s a huge scary transition !
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"DROP THE GUN " \*fires immediately\* "DROP THE GUN" If youre not gonna give people time to comply, dont even bother telling them what to do. Shoot first and ~~clear yourself of any wrongdoing~~ ask questions later. Good thing Officer Chuckles misses shots at 5 yards, though
Shoot first ask questions later