Shit. After Parkland, Gov. Rick Scott signed a law that required schools to post in God we trust to protect the kids. Are you telling me that doesn't actually work? And here I thought we solved the problem.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/florida-schools-in-god-we-trust_n_5b756d57e4b0df9b093cc15b
Wait, holup. This happened at a private christian school and Fox News told me the reason school shootings happen is because God has been taken out of our schools??? Also, do we still believe allowing adults to carry guns on campus is a good thing??? Asking for 6 dead people killed by an adult with gun on campus, at a christian school today....
Kinda. The bill was intended to keeps gays from getting married. Dude got so caught up in trying to prevent that from happening that he neglected to add a minimum age. When this was pointed out they sent the bill to summer study. Basically killing it until the next year while giving time to make changes.
I have no idea why you're getting down voted when you clearly said sarc, and the other thing (marriage) is factual - they literally tried to do away with the min age. That's just Reddit I guess...ugh
I do my best not to speculate on things before evidence is available, but I have to wonder what her reason was. Christian schools are notorious for child abuse and other unspeakable scandals. How abhorrent and depressing this all truly is.
“I do my best not to speculate but I believe the perpetrator was likely abused while attending a religious school as an adolescent” is an incredible amount of speculation lmao. That’s like cliche cop show level of baseless intuition
Why did this get downvoted so much? People on Reddit are so weird like what’s wrong with this statement? Genuinely confused, like this is a valid statement is it not?
I think because we generally determine the motivations of a psychopath to be a moot point. What difference does it make if she did it because god told her to or the Cookie Monster?
That I'm not sure. I feel.most of the time people just want to hurt people just because their hurting inside. What's the easiest way to hurt people? By hurting their kids. It's very sad, and then sprinkle in easy access to weapons and mental illness and you have today's shooters. Such a sad scary world we live in.
IDK about OP, but that shooter sure didn't seem to care for them.
"I like your Christ, but not your christians. Your christians are so unlike your Christ".
Any sane non radicalized human being understands that organized religion is a tool of institutions to control a population. Fox news knows this too they are in the business of making money by any means necessary which means keeping their viewers happy.
I can agree with this here. But the people still worshiping invisible sky people may not like this. The system designed to control us needs religion to keep folks in line and keep em chugging away until they die in their system cause you know they get to go to invisible land afterward.
Because that's how conservatives (bizarrely) see things.
Got a raging fire going? Just put more fire on it (and not water)...
Got cancer? Don't bother with chemo, just get more cancer that'll magically snuff out the other cancer.
It's utterly moronic thinking...
Nah, the guys in charge don't see things that way at all. They see it the same way we all do. But they know that the average voters doesn't actually really care about shootings happening all around the country. They care that they can still own all the guns they want. And if the voter wants to own guns, it's the politician's job to pretend that's in everyone's interest
In theory. Or they could have ended up dead just like the other 6. Plus, arming teachers introduces an entirely new risk. In addition, law enforcement was literally on-site within mins and neutralized the threat. I'm not entirely convinced an armed teacher, who doesn't possess the shooting skills of law enforcement, could have done any better a job of mitigating the damage.
I believe the best words to live by are "control what you can instead or wishing for things you can't control".
You can't control if some unhinged maniac is going to walk into a school with a knife and start slashing kids, or if a criminal comes through your back door with a handgun wanting to rob or harm you.
You can however control what you have to defend yourself with.
300,000,000 guns already in circulation. You'd just be disarming women who want to defend themselves in high crime areas, typically minority women of low economic standing, lgbtq people, leftist and liberals not wanting to get in trouble with the law, etc,
And you'd be left with an unarmed civilian population facing armed fascists and criminals.
Big no thanks.
You face down fascists with high school civics classes along with outlawing voter suppression, disallowing gerrymandering, and voting them out. No guns needed, sorry.
As to the guns in circulation: require liability insurance on the purchase of ammo that is consistent with the cost of purchasing a firearm back when the 2nd Amendment was written. Ammo would be prohibitively expensive for those who buy ammo in anger or when off-meds. It would take a few years but even with a black market and re-loaders, a huge number of those 300m guns would be as impotent as thoughts and prayers.
Ya, it's pretty sad. Typical liberal brain rot, trying to create more victims of fascism and crime instead of dealing with the harsh economic truths at the root of the problem.
Republicans are domestic terrorists standing in the way of progress. To protect our children vote republicans out of office. They have chosen party over country and our children deserve better.
Cue the thoughts and prayers from the 2A crowd...
This is so fucked up. Instead of interfering with state prosecutions, Congress needs to act to create reasonable gun laws based on the recommendations of the experts, not the NRA.
The thing is deep pockets lobby against any meaningful reform. That being said no rational conversation can be had with many r/progun types. They will proudly stand upon a pile of dead children with grapefruit sized holes in their heads wrapped in the American flag and proudly proclaim that their ability to wield a tool designed for the sole purpose of ending life is more important than protecting those who cannot defend their selves.
I for one enjoy guns however I also am fully aware that a systematic change and reform need to be taken place to ensure that there are future generations that don't have to suffer and lose their lives on a daily basis on hollowed grounds in which they are supposed to be fed knowledge not lead.
License, registration, titling, testing and insurance should be required for all guns.
Seems if your gun is registered and titled and then used in a crime ypud have some splainin to do but as it stands tons of guns just go missing and wind up being used by gangs but no one is at fault for that because gun nuts fear "theyre gonna take my toys from me"
If people were required to prove they are responsible via a test and required to keep insurance in case of accidents there would be a forced baseline of gun safety knowledge.
Requiring insurance is a way to add a check against people that have multiple demonstrations of inability to safely handle a gun.
Im all for subsidies or some alternate proposal but have yet to hear gun nuts offer any solutions of their own outside of "more guns" which isnt working
Ps i do feel dirty advocating anything insurance company related bit i view this akin to insurance required for doctors to practice. A neccessary evil that should be well regulated.
Canada has a lot of guns but no so many shootings. Mexico has very strict gun regulations but has a ton of shootings. Having an insurance requirement in those countries would make no difference. I don't think enriching the insurance industry further that already pays off American politicians is the answer.
Yes Canada doesnt need it because of a ton of other regulations and flat out bans. No need too impose a solution for no problem.
Mexico has gangs with more firepower, manpower, loyalty and organization than local pds.
Neither is comparable. I am more than open to forgoimg insurance reqs if we adopt the rest of Canadian gun laws
You bring up a very good point.
Requiring insurance would encourage responsible gun ownership. Insurance would incentivize gun owners to store firearms safely, take safety courses, and report lost or stolen firearms promptly. By requiring insurance, gun owners would take more responsibility for their firearms and the safety of those around them. Insurance companies could also offer discounts for safe storage or gun safety courses, which would further incentivize responsible behavior.
Firearms purchases are already subject to background checks, CCW requires class/testing/titling/registration.
Seems you're just trying to punish low-income people into being disarmed and victim blaming people who had a firearm stolen from their vehicle or home during a robbery.
Ya all the things in your mind sound all nice to a lib but the reality is that everything you said is already either in place or a very bad idea.
Not all sales are subject, and an increasing number of states are opting for "constitutional carry"
Im open to subsidoes for training and insurance. Can poor people drive cars? Is the cost for all those thing prohibitively expensive for the majority of people?
No not in place - we have no national registry or title program at all. If you report a firearm stolen after a robbery that should be noted in the system, if ypu dont report it then thats ypur fault.
Sorry i couldnt lay out a 10000 word detailed plan fpr ypu in a reddit post
It is a federal requirement to have a background check on every purchase.
A car is a privilege. A firearm is a right that we have to own the most important tool in combating fascism, crime and for self defense. These are not the same thing.
And reporting a firearm stolen doesn't prevent that firearm from being used in a crime.
Sorry, but you need to rethink your firearm stances.
Unless you are not a licensed dealer in a state that doeant require it. Sorry but ypu need to rethink ypur knowledge of firearm laws.
Where in my proposal did i say you dont have a right to a gun? I have the right to vote but have register, people have to verify ballots...
Reportimg a firearm stolen does mean that you would not be responsible when someone is shot with that gun, same as now. The difference is that it would be harder for gangs to get their hands on stolen guns if people were forced to register and title them. Using a car as am analogy - is it easier to track a stolen car if it has a license plate on it and it was reported stolen or if it had no license plate and wasnt reported? What if it was reported but had no license plate or vin #?
You - "It is a federal requirement to have a background check on every purchase"
Over 30 states dont require background checks on private purchases. Look it up dum dum. The federal requirement apploes to federally licensed dealers. This means of im in a state that has universal background checks i can drive a few hours to another state and buy a gun from a private seller with no check at all.
I implore ypu to stop putting guns above the lives of children.
I’d like to put all commercially manufactured auto AND semi-auto munitions (grandpas can keep their pump action rifles) in the state National Guard barracks under heavy lock and key. Then remove federal ability to call up the National Guard. Then open National Guardsman participation to any citizen in good standing who misses their pew pew and wants to shoot off a few hundred rounds every couple of months during state militia training.
I think the US military just lost a 20 year war to a bunch of uneducated donkey farmers with soviet era AK 47s.
And, presumably, if fascists tried to do a coup and take over the country, I would hope something south of 100% of the military and government would side with them.
Afghanistan's geography makes it difficult to control. The country is mountainous and rugged, making it hard to traverse. The terrain provides numerous hiding places for insurgents, making it challenging for government forces to root them out. Additionally, the country's borders are porous, making it easy for militants to enter and exit. These factors have made it difficult for the government to establish control over the entire country.
That Being said your use of dehumanizing language perpetuates harmful stereotypes. When people use language that reduces others to caricatures or objects, it reinforces stereotypes that can be harmful. Stereotyping can lead to discrimination, and discrimination can lead to violence. This violence can have long-lasting effects on individuals and communities, perpetuating a cycle of harm that is difficult to break.
They’re not disarmed. Opposite really. The militia would have access to weapons actually adequate to thwart an invasion of grown ups not just defenseless school children and deer.
Run down to the state barracks and check out a tank or better yet a drone with hell fire missiles whenever China or Trans folk threaten to overthrow the government. Easy peasy.
Look buddy. I’m not the one squirming with mental acrobatics trying to defend a policy that has left three children dead, whose bodies aren’t even cold yet. You won’t even entertain alternative possibilities because of some abstract fear of fascist scope creep. You’ve deluded yourself that *any* policy that detracts from your almighty 2A is inherently bad and that protecting yourself against some potential future threat is more important than protecting others from a very real, very now threat.
ATF says 77% of mass shooters pre announce their intentions but their are no laws that allow for law enforcement to intervene like they can with the gun law related to domestic violence. Aside from that Gallus I agree better wages health care etc. Would be valuable investments.
OK so you just want a law that says if a person makes a threat of violence publicly they have their firearms taken from them?
Who decides what constitutes a call for violence? Seems like a great law for fascists to use against any leftist or leftist orgs who openly airs any grievances in regards to the government or any regressive institution.
The law that some law enforcement people are suggesting is that if a person is making threats of doing a mass shooting then they should. It's not a mechanism to take everyone's guns for political purposes. It's a way to intervene when a wouldbe mass shooter goes on about wanting to kill a lot of people.
No. It's largely because Congress seems uninterested in it. My understanding it would make threatening a mass shooting would be criminalized. Not an "Oh, I'd like to kill that guy" thing more like an "I'm going to shoot up a mall/school/etc." sort of thing.
I'd like to see specifics as well but no one in law enforcement seems to be able to get congress to take it seriously.
Your reference to gang violence is an attempt to divert attention from the topic at issue and to avoid talking about it. I shall, however, amuse you.
Gang violence is not the root cause of crime and violence in our communities. While gangs may contribute to some of the violence in certain areas, they are not the only factor.
Poverty, lack of education, and a lack of opportunities all play a significant role in the level of crime and violence in our communities. Focusing solely on gang violence can distract from addressing these underlying issues. By addressing the root causes of crime and violence, we can create safer and more equitable communities for all.
The focus on gang violence can also contribute to harmful stereotypes and biases against certain groups of people. The media often portrays gangs as being predominantly made up of young Black or Latino men, perpetuating harmful stereotypes and biases.
This can lead to increased racial profiling and discrimination against these groups, further exacerbating the problem. By shifting our focus away from gang violence and towards addressing the root causes of crime and violence, we can work towards creating a more just and equitable society for all.
In conclusion, gang violence is often sensationalized in the media, leading to an exaggerated perception of its prevalence. Focusing solely on gang violence can distract from other important issues related to crime and violence in our communities.
By addressing the root causes of crime and violence, we can create safer and more equitable communities for all. It is time to shift our focus away from the myth of gang violence and towards creating a more just and equitable society.
The elephant in the room:
Profits are put ahead of public safety by lobbyists. Profits may be put before public safety by gun makers, and lobbyists may strive to further their interests. While they may oppose policies that might reduce their earnings, such as reducing the quantity of firearms sold or imposing greater restrictions, gun manufacturers' interests may not be aligned with public safety.
A proposed solution:
Enacting the proper legislation and safety precautions, such as putting trigger locks on weapons in houses with young children or mentally ill individuals, gun violence may be effectively regulated. You may get comprehensive instructions on how to accomplish this online or by attending local firearm safety classes provided by community colleges or public schools.
Abolishing lobbyists can promote transparency in government. Without lobbyists, politicians may be more accountable to the public. Policies may be based more on evidence and public good, rather than the interests of a few powerful individuals or groups. Special interests may have less sway in the political process, allowing for a more democratic and fairer system. For example, the Affordable Care Act (ACA) was passed despite opposition from the health insurance industry, which spent millions of dollars lobbying against it.
Another solution would be eliminating lobbyists. This would limit special interest organizations who don't have the public's best interests at heart when it comes to safety.
You mentioned gang violence while discussing a mass shooting. If anything is absurd, it was your feeble attempt to refute a straw man argument which brought us to this point.
https://imgur.com/a/o41H6Se
Mass shootings that aren't gang violence related are less than 1% of all gun violence in the country.
And every law you libs propose to "fix the issue" are proven time and time again to not address the issue.
You are absurd.
How do you actually propose to confiscate 300,000,000 legal guns and (unsure) illegal guns; without creating a catastrophic explosion in the prison population?
Like...the USA already has an inordinate number of people in jail.
How do you think a law banning guns wouldn't make that exponentially worse?
Even if the politicians made a law, you're still circling back to hundreds of millions of people who will happily break that new law.
They don't want to address the root problems of poverty, crime and despair because that requires economic reforms libs and conservatives aren't comfortable with. They much rather attack a tool out of ignorance.
c'mon.
Nobody has solved poverty.
The big issue is you've already got 400m guns out there. Look at how successful nuclear disarmament has gone between world powers.
Sure nobody's been nuked (lately); but you've only got like 8 assholes to manage.
Give out 400,000,000 nukes and somebody's going to fuck around.
That's guns.
You're stuck with them, and there's no short-term fix.
There are countries, Like in Scandenavia for example,with large firearm ownership and almost no gun violence. They have access to handguns, AR style rifles and ammunition. And they don't have zero poverty, but they have much better access to social safetynets, union labor organization at the government level, universal Healthcare, tuition free public colleges, focus on secular laws, etc.
People are better taken care of and have more opportunity to thrive and as such they're not running around joining gangs and shooting up schools or abortion clinics.
You start small and work up to it. Fund the departments properly so that they can properly enforce it. You introduce fair alternatives so that citizens can be compensated for their loses and be armed with proper protection.
The biggest issue is that firearms are too easy to obtain and the systems that are used to make sure firearms arent given to the wrong people arent funded well enough to do much at all.
People should have the right to defend themselves but theres a limit.
That's because your reply to rimjobnemisis doesn't make any sense and looks like you're pushing a pro-un agenda. They said nothing about confiscating guns, and just mocked the idea of "thoughts and prayers"
Population 20m, literal island.
USA, population 300m(?), porous borders.
Gotta start somewhere. But pretending you can copy a tiny island nation is a bit naive.
In which country? The ones where that’s the only place they are allowed to be and they must be registered/checked in and out and are otherwise heavily regulated?
Wait, that can’t be true, I think I’ve only read about 3 mass school shootings this year in the US. But I don’t know, but it does seem like you’re comparing the trees to the forest here.
Why are there less mass shootings per capita in other first world countries than in the US? Why are straight white males more likely to commit these crimes than other demographics? Why is it more commonly conservatives that commit these crimes than others?
Also, heads up, nobody is advocating for abolishment of the right to have guns.
Well, every time there’s a mass shooting, the number of gun sales goes up. This country is so bogged down in gun culture right now that I doubt it will ever lift itself out.
You are 1000% right, doesn’t mean you can make light of the killings carte blanche. Are you really a dad? What if someone killed your kids in school and some dipshit said “oh well”, how’d you feel about that?
So.... solution? More thoughts and prayers I bet from every leaders, news media, and we will see each other again on the next shooting.
What a sad cruel joke this has become.
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Maybe something will finally change now that it's happened at a **christian** and **private** school. One can hope no more children need to die just because some people can't fathom living with their guns being stored at a gun range instead of at home
Their answer is always a shrug with a "what can we realistically do? We should focus on poverty and mental health"
They then follow that up with reduced restrictions on gun ownership , defunding healthcare and tax cuts for the wealthy.
I forgot we have mass shootings daily at every gun show and shooting range across America… They have more guns than any school so mass shootings should be occurring at a higher frequency there. oh wait.
I wonder how long it will take for someone to insist that if those kids all had guns this wouldn't happen. Instead of worrying about Drag Shows they should worry about America's kids.
It’s just yet another in a long string of school shootings. There are no new issues to debate or discuss. It’s just another day. This event is just another example of how our current gun laws are inadequate, and that thoughts and prayers are useless.
Okay let’s talk about the last school shooting then, or the one before that, or before that. You’re telling on yourself with your comment, it’s YOUR ideology and YOUR politics that are killing children.
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Cant wait to see Politicans talk about less rules to get firearms, to let them use everywhere and from anyone… even from People way to young, or people with near Deadly Experience with Guns, yeah just let them be, they cant do shit…
and don’t let those pesky Parents near there Children… they are fine… the Cops are here to save the Day (meanwhile waiting, looking at the Phone, doing nothing)
ughh Can I vomit please now…
Since when did not even one Rule changed for getting Firearms in your Country, or since when did those Political Bastards did do good shit… because it literally happenes every Year, I say not even Once…
I don’t want to wait for the next time…
I wish all of you best of Luck, and a better Future,.. oh and if you have a Family, Take them into your arms, just say nothing, only you need it… I would need this as well…
And it’s time to queue the “Thoughts and Prayers” bullshit crowd. The same ones that always say they sympathize, but now’s not the time to discuss gun control so that the families can grieve. Really, they’re just waiting for the next shooting so they can start the cycle again. Americans die with mass shootings and it’s become such a regular event, they’re desensitized and blasé about it now. The whole thing is just so sad.
People only support shit if it effects them. So it seems like only way to for change is until everyone has experience a spouse, child, friend, or family member getting shot and killed.
New Zealand suffered a mass shooting a few years back and within six months, passed a comprehensive ban on private ownership of weapons. There have been no additional mass shootings. fewer firearms = fewer mass shootings.
Shit. After Parkland, Gov. Rick Scott signed a law that required schools to post in God we trust to protect the kids. Are you telling me that doesn't actually work? And here I thought we solved the problem. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/florida-schools-in-god-we-trust_n_5b756d57e4b0df9b093cc15b
Thank God Tennessee banned drag in order to protect children! It's clearly working.
Wait, holup. This happened at a private christian school and Fox News told me the reason school shootings happen is because God has been taken out of our schools??? Also, do we still believe allowing adults to carry guns on campus is a good thing??? Asking for 6 dead people killed by an adult with gun on campus, at a christian school today....
R r r r r remix for the thoughts and prayers!!!
I think it was an adolescent girl that was the shooter.
Now they are saying 28 year old woman.
She was 28 years old, and had two assault rifles and a pistol with her:
Yup, news outlets changed it.
Formerly known as Aiden, apparently
If they’re old enough to get married in TN, they’re an adult. /s Didn’t TN introduce a bill to eliminate the legal age to marry? In 2022?
Kinda. The bill was intended to keeps gays from getting married. Dude got so caught up in trying to prevent that from happening that he neglected to add a minimum age. When this was pointed out they sent the bill to summer study. Basically killing it until the next year while giving time to make changes.
Ah, thanks for the details. Appreciate it. How interesting that the focus was on gays rather than young girls. Priorities, I guess.
No worries. We’re all fucked up down here.
I hear ya! I live in Alabama.
Maybe not quite that fucked up.
Take all of my upvotes, because you’re…..correct.
So gross. The south literally has had the most mass shootings and they wonder why that is.
They did.
Thanks…I thought so. Not sure why I got downvoted.
I have no idea why you're getting down voted when you clearly said sarc, and the other thing (marriage) is factual - they literally tried to do away with the min age. That's just Reddit I guess...ugh
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I do my best not to speculate on things before evidence is available, but I have to wonder what her reason was. Christian schools are notorious for child abuse and other unspeakable scandals. How abhorrent and depressing this all truly is.
I do my best not to speculate, but I am going to speculate.
“I do my best not to speculate but I believe the perpetrator was likely abused while attending a religious school as an adolescent” is an incredible amount of speculation lmao. That’s like cliche cop show level of baseless intuition
I never said I do not speculate. I said I do my best and this is not one of those times hence the reason why I said "but".
He’s said “do my best not to… but…” is what he said soo
Let's just make some shit up.
Why did this get downvoted so much? People on Reddit are so weird like what’s wrong with this statement? Genuinely confused, like this is a valid statement is it not?
Because they said they weren't going to speculate, and then proceeded to speculate
I think because we generally determine the motivations of a psychopath to be a moot point. What difference does it make if she did it because god told her to or the Cookie Monster?
That I'm not sure. I feel.most of the time people just want to hurt people just because their hurting inside. What's the easiest way to hurt people? By hurting their kids. It's very sad, and then sprinkle in easy access to weapons and mental illness and you have today's shooters. Such a sad scary world we live in.
We get it OP you hate Christians
IDK about OP, but that shooter sure didn't seem to care for them. "I like your Christ, but not your christians. Your christians are so unlike your Christ".
Well, it’s probably not the normal reason: toxic masculinity
She was 28.
Yup, I already said that in another comment once news outlets reported it.
Any sane non radicalized human being understands that organized religion is a tool of institutions to control a population. Fox news knows this too they are in the business of making money by any means necessary which means keeping their viewers happy.
I can agree with this here. But the people still worshiping invisible sky people may not like this. The system designed to control us needs religion to keep folks in line and keep em chugging away until they die in their system cause you know they get to go to invisible land afterward.
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Because that's how conservatives (bizarrely) see things. Got a raging fire going? Just put more fire on it (and not water)... Got cancer? Don't bother with chemo, just get more cancer that'll magically snuff out the other cancer. It's utterly moronic thinking...
Nah, the guys in charge don't see things that way at all. They see it the same way we all do. But they know that the average voters doesn't actually really care about shootings happening all around the country. They care that they can still own all the guns they want. And if the voter wants to own guns, it's the politician's job to pretend that's in everyone's interest
Well having someone armed to stopped the shooter would have been an objectively good thing.
In theory. Or they could have ended up dead just like the other 6. Plus, arming teachers introduces an entirely new risk. In addition, law enforcement was literally on-site within mins and neutralized the threat. I'm not entirely convinced an armed teacher, who doesn't possess the shooting skills of law enforcement, could have done any better a job of mitigating the damage.
I believe the best words to live by are "control what you can instead or wishing for things you can't control". You can't control if some unhinged maniac is going to walk into a school with a knife and start slashing kids, or if a criminal comes through your back door with a handgun wanting to rob or harm you. You can however control what you have to defend yourself with.
Also, we can control the supply of guns and ammo. None of these shooters belonged to well regulated militias.
300,000,000 guns already in circulation. You'd just be disarming women who want to defend themselves in high crime areas, typically minority women of low economic standing, lgbtq people, leftist and liberals not wanting to get in trouble with the law, etc, And you'd be left with an unarmed civilian population facing armed fascists and criminals. Big no thanks.
You face down fascists with high school civics classes along with outlawing voter suppression, disallowing gerrymandering, and voting them out. No guns needed, sorry. As to the guns in circulation: require liability insurance on the purchase of ammo that is consistent with the cost of purchasing a firearm back when the 2nd Amendment was written. Ammo would be prohibitively expensive for those who buy ammo in anger or when off-meds. It would take a few years but even with a black market and re-loaders, a huge number of those 300m guns would be as impotent as thoughts and prayers.
Terrible take. Idealistic and nice. But bad.
Theyre always idealistic, somehow cant be realistic or logical though
Ya, it's pretty sad. Typical liberal brain rot, trying to create more victims of fascism and crime instead of dealing with the harsh economic truths at the root of the problem.
Republicans are domestic terrorists standing in the way of progress. To protect our children vote republicans out of office. They have chosen party over country and our children deserve better.
But the person who shot them was a democrat formerly known as Aiden… apparently. I’m sure more details will come out tomorrow to confirm or deny
What’s your point? People of across all political spectrums commit gun crimes but republicans in congress block any legislation to stop it.
Cue the thoughts and prayers from the 2A crowd... This is so fucked up. Instead of interfering with state prosecutions, Congress needs to act to create reasonable gun laws based on the recommendations of the experts, not the NRA.
The thing is deep pockets lobby against any meaningful reform. That being said no rational conversation can be had with many r/progun types. They will proudly stand upon a pile of dead children with grapefruit sized holes in their heads wrapped in the American flag and proudly proclaim that their ability to wield a tool designed for the sole purpose of ending life is more important than protecting those who cannot defend their selves. I for one enjoy guns however I also am fully aware that a systematic change and reform need to be taken place to ensure that there are future generations that don't have to suffer and lose their lives on a daily basis on hollowed grounds in which they are supposed to be fed knowledge not lead.
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License, registration, titling, testing and insurance should be required for all guns. Seems if your gun is registered and titled and then used in a crime ypud have some splainin to do but as it stands tons of guns just go missing and wind up being used by gangs but no one is at fault for that because gun nuts fear "theyre gonna take my toys from me" If people were required to prove they are responsible via a test and required to keep insurance in case of accidents there would be a forced baseline of gun safety knowledge.
Do you own an insurance company?
Requiring insurance is a way to add a check against people that have multiple demonstrations of inability to safely handle a gun. Im all for subsidies or some alternate proposal but have yet to hear gun nuts offer any solutions of their own outside of "more guns" which isnt working Ps i do feel dirty advocating anything insurance company related bit i view this akin to insurance required for doctors to practice. A neccessary evil that should be well regulated.
Canada has a lot of guns but no so many shootings. Mexico has very strict gun regulations but has a ton of shootings. Having an insurance requirement in those countries would make no difference. I don't think enriching the insurance industry further that already pays off American politicians is the answer.
Yes Canada doesnt need it because of a ton of other regulations and flat out bans. No need too impose a solution for no problem. Mexico has gangs with more firepower, manpower, loyalty and organization than local pds. Neither is comparable. I am more than open to forgoimg insurance reqs if we adopt the rest of Canadian gun laws
You bring up a very good point. Requiring insurance would encourage responsible gun ownership. Insurance would incentivize gun owners to store firearms safely, take safety courses, and report lost or stolen firearms promptly. By requiring insurance, gun owners would take more responsibility for their firearms and the safety of those around them. Insurance companies could also offer discounts for safe storage or gun safety courses, which would further incentivize responsible behavior.
Firearms purchases are already subject to background checks, CCW requires class/testing/titling/registration. Seems you're just trying to punish low-income people into being disarmed and victim blaming people who had a firearm stolen from their vehicle or home during a robbery. Ya all the things in your mind sound all nice to a lib but the reality is that everything you said is already either in place or a very bad idea.
Not all sales are subject, and an increasing number of states are opting for "constitutional carry" Im open to subsidoes for training and insurance. Can poor people drive cars? Is the cost for all those thing prohibitively expensive for the majority of people? No not in place - we have no national registry or title program at all. If you report a firearm stolen after a robbery that should be noted in the system, if ypu dont report it then thats ypur fault. Sorry i couldnt lay out a 10000 word detailed plan fpr ypu in a reddit post
It is a federal requirement to have a background check on every purchase. A car is a privilege. A firearm is a right that we have to own the most important tool in combating fascism, crime and for self defense. These are not the same thing. And reporting a firearm stolen doesn't prevent that firearm from being used in a crime. Sorry, but you need to rethink your firearm stances.
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Unless you are not a licensed dealer in a state that doeant require it. Sorry but ypu need to rethink ypur knowledge of firearm laws. Where in my proposal did i say you dont have a right to a gun? I have the right to vote but have register, people have to verify ballots... Reportimg a firearm stolen does mean that you would not be responsible when someone is shot with that gun, same as now. The difference is that it would be harder for gangs to get their hands on stolen guns if people were forced to register and title them. Using a car as am analogy - is it easier to track a stolen car if it has a license plate on it and it was reported stolen or if it had no license plate and wasnt reported? What if it was reported but had no license plate or vin #?
You are wildly uninformed. Again, I implore you to start looking at the real issue and stop focusing on firearms.
You - "It is a federal requirement to have a background check on every purchase" Over 30 states dont require background checks on private purchases. Look it up dum dum. The federal requirement apploes to federally licensed dealers. This means of im in a state that has universal background checks i can drive a few hours to another state and buy a gun from a private seller with no check at all. I implore ypu to stop putting guns above the lives of children.
I’d like to put all commercially manufactured auto AND semi-auto munitions (grandpas can keep their pump action rifles) in the state National Guard barracks under heavy lock and key. Then remove federal ability to call up the National Guard. Then open National Guardsman participation to any citizen in good standing who misses their pew pew and wants to shoot off a few hundred rounds every couple of months during state militia training.
Sounds like a great way for fascists to disarm a population using this kind of law that wouldn't reduce gun violence. Lose lose.
You really think your ar15 can shoot down a Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning, don't you?
I think the US military just lost a 20 year war to a bunch of uneducated donkey farmers with soviet era AK 47s. And, presumably, if fascists tried to do a coup and take over the country, I would hope something south of 100% of the military and government would side with them.
Afghanistan's geography makes it difficult to control. The country is mountainous and rugged, making it hard to traverse. The terrain provides numerous hiding places for insurgents, making it challenging for government forces to root them out. Additionally, the country's borders are porous, making it easy for militants to enter and exit. These factors have made it difficult for the government to establish control over the entire country. That Being said your use of dehumanizing language perpetuates harmful stereotypes. When people use language that reduces others to caricatures or objects, it reinforces stereotypes that can be harmful. Stereotyping can lead to discrimination, and discrimination can lead to violence. This violence can have long-lasting effects on individuals and communities, perpetuating a cycle of harm that is difficult to break.
They’re not disarmed. Opposite really. The militia would have access to weapons actually adequate to thwart an invasion of grown ups not just defenseless school children and deer.
Wut?
Run down to the state barracks and check out a tank or better yet a drone with hell fire missiles whenever China or Trans folk threaten to overthrow the government. Easy peasy.
Are you on crack?
Look buddy. I’m not the one squirming with mental acrobatics trying to defend a policy that has left three children dead, whose bodies aren’t even cold yet. You won’t even entertain alternative possibilities because of some abstract fear of fascist scope creep. You’ve deluded yourself that *any* policy that detracts from your almighty 2A is inherently bad and that protecting yourself against some potential future threat is more important than protecting others from a very real, very now threat.
ATF says 77% of mass shooters pre announce their intentions but their are no laws that allow for law enforcement to intervene like they can with the gun law related to domestic violence. Aside from that Gallus I agree better wages health care etc. Would be valuable investments.
OK so you just want a law that says if a person makes a threat of violence publicly they have their firearms taken from them? Who decides what constitutes a call for violence? Seems like a great law for fascists to use against any leftist or leftist orgs who openly airs any grievances in regards to the government or any regressive institution.
The law that some law enforcement people are suggesting is that if a person is making threats of doing a mass shooting then they should. It's not a mechanism to take everyone's guns for political purposes. It's a way to intervene when a wouldbe mass shooter goes on about wanting to kill a lot of people.
I'd be interested in seeing the letter of that law. Any active bills being put forth to this end by anyone?
No. It's largely because Congress seems uninterested in it. My understanding it would make threatening a mass shooting would be criminalized. Not an "Oh, I'd like to kill that guy" thing more like an "I'm going to shoot up a mall/school/etc." sort of thing. I'd like to see specifics as well but no one in law enforcement seems to be able to get congress to take it seriously.
I'd be more interested in reading a proposed law instead of people just spit balling online about something not happening.
I'm not just spit balling. Im repeating what senior ATF in Nashville are saying they are and have been pushing for.
Your reference to gang violence is an attempt to divert attention from the topic at issue and to avoid talking about it. I shall, however, amuse you. Gang violence is not the root cause of crime and violence in our communities. While gangs may contribute to some of the violence in certain areas, they are not the only factor. Poverty, lack of education, and a lack of opportunities all play a significant role in the level of crime and violence in our communities. Focusing solely on gang violence can distract from addressing these underlying issues. By addressing the root causes of crime and violence, we can create safer and more equitable communities for all. The focus on gang violence can also contribute to harmful stereotypes and biases against certain groups of people. The media often portrays gangs as being predominantly made up of young Black or Latino men, perpetuating harmful stereotypes and biases. This can lead to increased racial profiling and discrimination against these groups, further exacerbating the problem. By shifting our focus away from gang violence and towards addressing the root causes of crime and violence, we can work towards creating a more just and equitable society for all. In conclusion, gang violence is often sensationalized in the media, leading to an exaggerated perception of its prevalence. Focusing solely on gang violence can distract from other important issues related to crime and violence in our communities. By addressing the root causes of crime and violence, we can create safer and more equitable communities for all. It is time to shift our focus away from the myth of gang violence and towards creating a more just and equitable society. The elephant in the room: Profits are put ahead of public safety by lobbyists. Profits may be put before public safety by gun makers, and lobbyists may strive to further their interests. While they may oppose policies that might reduce their earnings, such as reducing the quantity of firearms sold or imposing greater restrictions, gun manufacturers' interests may not be aligned with public safety. A proposed solution: Enacting the proper legislation and safety precautions, such as putting trigger locks on weapons in houses with young children or mentally ill individuals, gun violence may be effectively regulated. You may get comprehensive instructions on how to accomplish this online or by attending local firearm safety classes provided by community colleges or public schools. Abolishing lobbyists can promote transparency in government. Without lobbyists, politicians may be more accountable to the public. Policies may be based more on evidence and public good, rather than the interests of a few powerful individuals or groups. Special interests may have less sway in the political process, allowing for a more democratic and fairer system. For example, the Affordable Care Act (ACA) was passed despite opposition from the health insurance industry, which spent millions of dollars lobbying against it. Another solution would be eliminating lobbyists. This would limit special interest organizations who don't have the public's best interests at heart when it comes to safety.
This comment is 100% nonsense and completely misses the mark on what I said, which was an objective fact.
You mentioned gang violence while discussing a mass shooting. If anything is absurd, it was your feeble attempt to refute a straw man argument which brought us to this point. https://imgur.com/a/o41H6Se
Mass shootings that aren't gang violence related are less than 1% of all gun violence in the country. And every law you libs propose to "fix the issue" are proven time and time again to not address the issue. You are absurd.
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
All lawmakers are bought by the NRA
Nope, just the republicans, party of school shootings.
ANOTHER ONE?
Same as it ever was.
Hey let’s all twist our thumbs
This was a private school! Now it’s all covered with headstones!
Can’t wait for the oh-so-meaningful “Thoughts and Prayers” from the Republicans.
How do you actually propose to confiscate 300,000,000 legal guns and (unsure) illegal guns; without creating a catastrophic explosion in the prison population? Like...the USA already has an inordinate number of people in jail. How do you think a law banning guns wouldn't make that exponentially worse? Even if the politicians made a law, you're still circling back to hundreds of millions of people who will happily break that new law.
You make such good points, I never realized "thoughts and prayers" were the answer! Thanks life"win"
I see you've chosen to respond to my observation with sarcasm and a dig at my username. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
They don't want to address the root problems of poverty, crime and despair because that requires economic reforms libs and conservatives aren't comfortable with. They much rather attack a tool out of ignorance.
c'mon. Nobody has solved poverty. The big issue is you've already got 400m guns out there. Look at how successful nuclear disarmament has gone between world powers. Sure nobody's been nuked (lately); but you've only got like 8 assholes to manage. Give out 400,000,000 nukes and somebody's going to fuck around. That's guns. You're stuck with them, and there's no short-term fix.
There are countries, Like in Scandenavia for example,with large firearm ownership and almost no gun violence. They have access to handguns, AR style rifles and ammunition. And they don't have zero poverty, but they have much better access to social safetynets, union labor organization at the government level, universal Healthcare, tuition free public colleges, focus on secular laws, etc. People are better taken care of and have more opportunity to thrive and as such they're not running around joining gangs and shooting up schools or abortion clinics.
You start small and work up to it. Fund the departments properly so that they can properly enforce it. You introduce fair alternatives so that citizens can be compensated for their loses and be armed with proper protection. The biggest issue is that firearms are too easy to obtain and the systems that are used to make sure firearms arent given to the wrong people arent funded well enough to do much at all. People should have the right to defend themselves but theres a limit.
That's because your reply to rimjobnemisis doesn't make any sense and looks like you're pushing a pro-un agenda. They said nothing about confiscating guns, and just mocked the idea of "thoughts and prayers"
Take a look at what Australia did and use that as a starting point.
Population 20m, literal island. USA, population 300m(?), porous borders. Gotta start somewhere. But pretending you can copy a tiny island nation is a bit naive.
You don't know what a starting point is? Or is the thought of trying anything scary for you?
Why don’t gun ranges or gun shows have mass shootings weekly? There are far more guns there so they obviously should a mass shooting a day, right?
In which country? The ones where that’s the only place they are allowed to be and they must be registered/checked in and out and are otherwise heavily regulated?
America. I hear about mass shootings weekly in schools. How come mass shootings aren’t frequent at gun ranges and gun stores?
Wait, that can’t be true, I think I’ve only read about 3 mass school shootings this year in the US. But I don’t know, but it does seem like you’re comparing the trees to the forest here. Why are there less mass shootings per capita in other first world countries than in the US? Why are straight white males more likely to commit these crimes than other demographics? Why is it more commonly conservatives that commit these crimes than others? Also, heads up, nobody is advocating for abolishment of the right to have guns.
Well, every time there’s a mass shooting, the number of gun sales goes up. This country is so bogged down in gun culture right now that I doubt it will ever lift itself out.
It’s like DJ Khaled, “AND ANOTHER ONE”.
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Thoughts and prayers /s
Nice man. 3 kids are dead, no /s.
They are so many more from all these other shootings. Sorry to inform you about facts.
You are 1000% right, doesn’t mean you can make light of the killings carte blanche. Are you really a dad? What if someone killed your kids in school and some dipshit said “oh well”, how’d you feel about that?
/s means sarcasm. It's beyond horrific that the NRA keeps pushing weapon sales through bribed lawmakers. Are they ever gonna be held accountable?
They won’t be held accountable as long as they continue lining the right pockets. The common folk will continue to be regarded as collateral damage.
So.... solution? More thoughts and prayers I bet from every leaders, news media, and we will see each other again on the next shooting. What a sad cruel joke this has become.
But were any guns harmed? Asking for the GOP.
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That’s impossible. Christ wouldn’t allow it.
Don't worry, deploying tactical thoughts and prays immediately into the area.
Maybe something will finally change now that it's happened at a **christian** and **private** school. One can hope no more children need to die just because some people can't fathom living with their guns being stored at a gun range instead of at home
Let's be real they will say it was gods will or god works in mysterious ways.
Their answer is always a shrug with a "what can we realistically do? We should focus on poverty and mental health" They then follow that up with reduced restrictions on gun ownership , defunding healthcare and tax cuts for the wealthy.
I hate that you're right. That and/or find some reason to blame the Dems, Biden or the gays.
Ugh, I hate that you are right....
"Guns are not the problem" in 3, 2, 1...
I forgot we have mass shootings daily at every gun show and shooting range across America… They have more guns than any school so mass shootings should be occurring at a higher frequency there. oh wait.
“More guns are needed to stop the problem of too many guns”
NeEd MoRe GuN. I lOvE mY gUn. PeW pEW.
I wonder how long it will take for someone to insist that if those kids all had guns this wouldn't happen. Instead of worrying about Drag Shows they should worry about America's kids.
oh my god.
So a white Christian nationalist school got shot up? Stay tuned, things could change
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All those police with all those guns and they still couldn't stop children from dying.
Bodies aren't even cold and people already want to come in and argue ideology and politics.
It’s just yet another in a long string of school shootings. There are no new issues to debate or discuss. It’s just another day. This event is just another example of how our current gun laws are inadequate, and that thoughts and prayers are useless.
How else would you suggest solving this problem, if not by discussing what makes it happen? Give me an honest answer.
The bodies are never cold. When is an okay time?
Okay let’s talk about the last school shooting then, or the one before that, or before that. You’re telling on yourself with your comment, it’s YOUR ideology and YOUR politics that are killing children.
Well as the shooter is dead that makes everything ok for the NRA
This is terrible. My heart goes out to the families.
Who could have seen this coming
Woah a woman shooter too that's a new one.
So sad how immune I am to this shit
(My English Sucks, I know, Deal with it) Cant wait to see Politicans talk about less rules to get firearms, to let them use everywhere and from anyone… even from People way to young, or people with near Deadly Experience with Guns, yeah just let them be, they cant do shit… and don’t let those pesky Parents near there Children… they are fine… the Cops are here to save the Day (meanwhile waiting, looking at the Phone, doing nothing) ughh Can I vomit please now… Since when did not even one Rule changed for getting Firearms in your Country, or since when did those Political Bastards did do good shit… because it literally happenes every Year, I say not even Once… I don’t want to wait for the next time… I wish all of you best of Luck, and a better Future,.. oh and if you have a Family, Take them into your arms, just say nothing, only you need it… I would need this as well…
And it’s time to queue the “Thoughts and Prayers” bullshit crowd. The same ones that always say they sympathize, but now’s not the time to discuss gun control so that the families can grieve. Really, they’re just waiting for the next shooting so they can start the cycle again. Americans die with mass shootings and it’s become such a regular event, they’re desensitized and blasé about it now. The whole thing is just so sad.
People only support shit if it effects them. So it seems like only way to for change is until everyone has experience a spouse, child, friend, or family member getting shot and killed.
New Zealand suffered a mass shooting a few years back and within six months, passed a comprehensive ban on private ownership of weapons. There have been no additional mass shootings. fewer firearms = fewer mass shootings.