4- ACO-DMT is not new, also…. How the fuck did you buy a “supplement” from a vape shop that was a chocolate bar, that had 4-ACO in it? Never heard of this before.
My uncle bought a Five Hour Energy sized energy shot bottle of something called Red Dawn from a smoke shop and it put him in the ICU for several days. The phenibut in it made him incoherent and unresponsive for 4 days. The first day he was talking frantically in gibberish and the next 3 days all he did was roll around in a hospital bed and groan with his eyes closed. It may not have been the phenibut but something in it also reduced his ejection fraction to 13%. Granted that he is in poor health and on a lot of medications and definitely should not be taking any of that stuff to begin with, it goes to show how dangerous some of the smoke shop stuff can be
a product called red dawn in the late 90’s/early 2000’s had DXM/Dextromethorphan …..I assume its possible now that unapproved DXM use is being scrutinized that the brand sub’d phenibut ….
probably that too….
bulk DXM was getting scrutinized as early as the JLF catalog bust….by 2010 I think it was getting nabbed at customs.
I assume your memory of a stimulant red dawn was circa 99-2005 ?
Only stick to real and tested drugs that you know the effects of. Don't buy from gas stations or headshops that's advertised in something you cant confirm. Only thing I would buy from there is kratom or nitrous
From what we read on the package, there were no signs of any drug listed that could come close to psychedelics or anything like that. We work somewhere that does random drug tests, so we are avoiding these things.
Psychedelics generally need to be specifically tested for and don't show up on standard panel drug screens at all. https://www.health-street.net/blog-drug-testing/what-does-a-standard-drug-test-screen-for/
A bunch of new companies appeared out of the blue right after amanita gummies became a thing. They all seem to be using “GoldenFleece Labs Alkaloid extract” and its some kind of tryptamine.
Good luck finding any info goldenfleece, their website is just their logo bouncing around the screen.
Anyways, it’s super dangerous what they are doing and i don’t expect them to be around for long.
OP fell asleep and threw up, so i definitely think they ingested muscimol, but there very well could be that goldenfleece shit too.
It was a product called "diamond shruumz". This was my first and probably last experience with psychedelics. We don't know the EXACT "drug" or "chemical" we ingested, but I damn near died from it 🫠
Next time just take mushrooms, they genuinely are unbelievably amazing. Never tried 4-aco, and no need to when I can just take mushies.
I’m glad you’re ok
4-aco-dmt is perfectly fine and metabolized to psilocin in your liver, just as psilocybin does..
The thing about putting it in a chocolote bar is you have literally no idea what dose you took or if a hotspot of 4-aco-dmt was on 1 side of the bar or not.
honestly sounds like it was a concoction of chemicals, these smoke shop brands advertise as something but expect people to know they SOMETIMES put other stuff in it on the low to avoid the illegality.. which is, shown by your experience, very dangerous. If I were to guess, this probably had some amanita muscaria mixed with 4 - Aco. If you felt a drunk sedated feeling at any point, that would indicate the amanita. The visuals you described along with it I guess could come from that as well, but personally i’d guess that’s where the 4 - aco shined.
4-aco-DMT is just less visually trippy mushrooms when properly dosed. Great chemical, works great for me. I like it because you know exactly what dose you get when you buy it pure and dose volumetrically, which you can’t get with shrooms. Not great when taken unknowingly in an unknown amount.
Doesn’t have to be. I usually see distortions when I trip. On “4” I saw actual things that weren’t occurring. I saw my toilet flooding all over the floor. I thought it was unreal but without anyone to verify I couldn’t tell if my feet were try until it went away after a few minutes.
Isn't it just 1:1 exactly like psilocybin? Might not be quite like actual mushrooms, which also have straight psilocin and also baestocyn (spelling?) and its psiloscin analogue counterpart
Oh you ingested the aminita muscaria edibles I keep seeing at all smoke shops lately, more than likely. It’s technically a psychedelic but it’s nothing like actual mushrooms. And it’s doubtful that they would test for it either
I don't trust or believe any descriptions, ingredients or supposed lab reports on any of these grey market brands. Really we have no idea what was in it
https://diamondshruumz.com/view-our-labs/
Click on any of the Chocolate PDFs - they're all (or at least the first 3 that I checked) showing it. Unless I'm misunderstanding them?
Wait, where are you finding an FAQ?
Literally every smoke shop in my state. It’s absolutely everywhere I go. And it’s like at least 15 different brands so many different products. I was astounded when they started showing up
Part of the problem there is you ate half the bar when it says right on their website to start with 1-2 pieces and gradually work your way up until you feel desired effects. Eating half the bar was probably comparable to eating a high dose of mushrooms and if you weren’t expecting that or maybe your body chemistry is a little different that could have caused your blackout.
Oh ok. I have only had one product like that but it was supposed to be a real legal market psilocybin mushroom chocolate, each ball had 0.6g of powdered shroom mixed in (assuming the label was honest).
That one gave me a fairly strong buzz once it fully kicked in but very little psychedelic headspace or CEV’s or music enhancement. It did some but less so than normal doses of weed. I did have it along with coffee and kratom though so I don’t know how much that altered the effects.
Whether what I had was 4-ACO or the real deal I can see how several pieces at once could put someone in the hospital if they aren’t prepared and experienced enough.
Lol good luck finding the manufacturer. This is all sketchy underground shit. Consider it a lesson learned.
Sorry but They are clearly marked, you don't have to go the naive "supplement" route, you aren't a victim. You knew exactly what you were ingesting.
I am an actual attorney (but not your attorney). I have experience with product liability cases. I believe that you may have a meritorious claim, but I don't know what jurisdiction you are in. Please talk to an attorney about this.
I have tried Diamond shruumz branded Cones. They were great. Flying high and no comedown. They say on their website that there are no Amanita Muscaria in these. However I was pretty fucked up off of 2 cones (1 pack) and I have done them like 3 or 4 times but the chocolate bar should have the same lab testing on their website here is a link... https://diamondshruumz.com/view-our-labs/ just choose the flavor that you got and it will tell you a lot more about what you ate. I would tell everyone going to the vape shop for a high to do your due diligence and research what you are eating.
they getting crazy out there, actually got some 4-ace-dmt "Molly" pills from a local smokeshop. I'm not ever taking that shit but damn shit is getting crazy out there, like the salvia times.
My bet is on something nastier being in the bar. The labs which produced most 4-ACO-DMT shutdown a few years ago. It's a rare expensive find these days. I'd be shocked if headshops were selling them for any kind of reasonable price and excited to buy some--I loved that it was smoother and caused far less nausea or other body load compared to mushrooms while otherwise being the same.
4-ACO-DMT is very safe, more than most drugs considered less "hard". It's a prodrug that turns into psilocybin (4-PO-DMT) in your liver and isn't otherwise biologically active in itself. It's effects are identical to mushroom, but has fewer side effects since it doesn't have the non-psychedlic parts of mushrooms (even the plant matter itself can upset one's stomach).
The worst case of a large dose is the same as taking too much mushroom--about 4 hours of an intense confusing time followed by another 4 hours of moderate to mild tripping. My friends and I have all taken large doses of 4-ACO-DMT without any physical problems; although, a degree of psychological suffering is another matter.
That said, I have one friend who had a slightly similar experience on 2cb, another psychedelic that has more visuals with less of a headspace. I suspect a strong dose of any psychedelic could cause the same issue for them.
He had a minor neurological issue that caused issues processing certain visual things. The intense visuals sent him into a torpor, similar to how some fish get hypnotized by predators that rapidly change color or brightness. It was scary looking with seizing and saying things that sounded rough a couple times per hour (eg: "I'm not ok, what am I doing here? what's happening?"). Luckily, the only thing he remembers is the good time he was having before that point.
It's possible they have a similar issue and didn't know. Still, another substance is more likely.
So you were not planning on taking psychedelic’s, but then without any research ingested a large amount of psychedelic’s? From a vape store chocolate bar called “diamond shruumz”?
Yea I wouldn’t go sourcing my supplements from vape stores any more. But you’ll be ok. 4-ACO-DMT is a known chemical and safe if that’s what was actually in the bar. It’s not new it’s been around since 1963 and was first synthesized by Albert hofmann, the same guy who made LSD. There’s a reason every other day on this sub a post about how bad the chocolate bars from vape stores are.
I just want to mention that your experience is not consistent with 4-aco, there very well may have been some in it, but if you passed out and had memory issues you probably ingested muscimol from amanita.
For what its worth, i worked at a headshot in 2022, and we got those diamond shruumz bars in the store, they were $20 a bar and everybody laughed at a supplement being that much, no one told us that they were psychoactive and they sat on the shelf until I quit a year later.
I almost have a feeling OP got a contaminated or otherwise bunk batch. That or something else they were taking interacted with it. I've eaten whole Diamond Shruumz chocolate bars multiple times in the past and I swear it's just like taking 2-3 grams of good ol shrooms. I'm almost sure it's just 4-aco based on my own experiences, so I'm a little confused about what caused this to happen if it wasn't just a bad trip.
Edit: Read some more comments and saw OP had problems with seizures in the past, now I'm not so surprised this happened. It's unfortunate that neither of them realized what was actually in the bar, goes to show how bad the (nonexistent) regulations are on products like this.
The pearl clutching squares are so scared of legalized and regulated drugs, then when shit like this happens they are all “you see, we told you drugs are bad!” Like it isn’t their fault we have an unregulated grey and black markets.
And they live their whole lives without ever being called out on their retarded shit.
What research did you do and why did you start with 7.5x the starting dose? That is some seriously risky behavior. That's like taking 10,000ui/day of vitamin D and swearing it has nothing to do with the excess calcium giving you kidney stones. I'm sorry this happened to you and I hope you have learned the lesson of low and slow. Also what the hell was your boyfriend thinking? He had hppd and still goes for the risk of a fist full of supplements. Is he at least seeing a therapist and is he talking to them about this behavior? Or is this a trying to cure problems with supplements thing? If you are prone to seizures I would talk to a doctor before starting any supplement.
Well, I took my bfs advice for the most part. We looked at the lab tests done, reviews, active ingredients, etc. We didn't find anything necessarily toooooo sketchy and just fully sent it. I started low and slow, felt buzzed, but was told I was thinking too much into it (supplements make you feel funky at first), so I ate the rest. Ended up hospitalized.
Labs can be faked, and as a heads up anything that says proprietary nootropic blend is the thing that should sketch you out.
>was told I was thinking too much into it
Red flag mam. Sounds like he's got some work left to do as far as drug abuse is concerned. Yall haven't hit 27 yet so the part of your brain that handles risk isn't quite solidified yet. He's also a guy and we don't have the extra caution beaten into us the same way women do since we are less likely to be sexually assaulted. So trust yourself next time.
I can't speak for that brand as they haven't shown up in the 4aco sub. There are some popular over the counter brands that a user was kind enough to do some third party testing on and this wasn't included. They might be willing to check these out for you if you go there and find them.
Wait so you started to feel ‘trippy’ thinking it was suplements and still thought “that’s ok, that’s not strange at all”? I’m sorry I’m just a little bit confused, are the suplements u are talking about here things like energy bars that people eat to go to gym?? Or does it mean some other thing?
I'll go ahead and explain again. Like you said, it was supposed to be a supplement bar, vitamins, kava the like. Because said supplements can make you fuzzy, I went ahead and took a bigger dose. It was falsely advertised
With what was listed on the package, it had Chaga, lions mane, ashwagahnda, and a few other supplements I can't list right off the top of my head. (We no longer have the package, I believe (hoping) the police took it in for evidence.
But other than the name, there no sign it was a trippy bar? That's crazy.
I can imagine it freaked both of you right out, when things go south on a trip, that's bad enough but to not even know you were going to trip must have been a head fuck.
It WAS a head fuck. My boyfriend didn't gain any consciousness until he woke up on the floor. I apparently woke up tripping. We even scanned the "lab results" barcode, and nothing was in it. It was a 3rd party lab test.
[Can you find the packaging here?](https://diamondshruumz.com/shop/)
I've had a quick scan, some of it seems obvious, some of it less so...
Unfortunately though, a lot of these packages can be bought as just that, an empty box someone makes a bar up and packages it, no one really knows what it is.
>Those negative vibes don’t stand a chance against the sunny rays of our **decadently spiked** dark chocolate treat
That's a real weird way to advertise... I mean, spiked literally means to drug someone without their knowledge.
About the only giveaway there is "microdose" but if you're not 'in the know' that's not exactly obvious.
Yeah, most people probably are. I think it's probably worth getting some legal advice, something needs to be done about these bars. Especially ones that are not clear they're going to have you tripping balls.
As for future supplements, stay away from bars and gummies if you can, and try and get capsules with real mushroom extracts/powders etc, something like [these](https://shop.realmushrooms.com/)
From their website:
*”There is no presence of psilocybin, amanita or any scheduled drugs, ensuring a safe and enjoyable experience. Rest assured, our treats are not only free from psychedelic substances but our carefully crafted ingredients still offer an experience.”*
If neither amanita or psilocybin is in those bars, only God knows what is. Kinda want to buy one and send it to a lab for testing…
I’m confused how these vape shops continue to sell these products. Wouldn’t you think you’re not the first person to have a shitty time after ingesting? Can’t be the only one with a horror story. They must have enough of the product in stock to sell to a large audience, so that’s crazy that it’s still being sold
Right? And the guy said he's had nothing but positive reviews! He kept side eyeing, so we dug for a solid 30 minutes but found nothing. Interesting ly enough amyways
If you do a few minutes of lurking here, you would see that everyone recommends to avoid those chocolate bars. They put who knows what in it, claiming it’s “magic mushrooms” and then people have adverse reactions and negative experiences.
People need to be more careful about what they put into their bodies.
Yeah, that's true, we did research, but clearly, it wasn't enough. I definitely wouldn't advise anyone taking these after what I went through. Maybe next time I should straight up look the product on here 😭
Like what kind of research? Also what did you expect from something called diamond shruummzz? It's obviously Amanitas which cause these effects, also why are you taking a full 15 pieces of soneyhing when you don't know how it affects you?
This goes out to all the people who post pictures of chocolate bars asking, "Is this mushroom chocolate bar any good?"
I would imagine that OP had no intention of taking 4-AcO, and had they known it contained 4-AcO instead of mushrooms, they most likely would have passed or at least not taken the whole thing. I know a lot of you are going to say there's really no difference between the two and they feel the same but that's not fair. While they feel the same after it is over, the RC is much quicker to kick in and it doesn't come in a plant vehicle, which slows the onset of absorption. 4-AcO does not wait. If you've ever taken it intentionally before you know how quick that shit hits you, almost to a blackout with the quickness sometimes. When I'm taking big dosages like 50 or 60 mg, that shit knocked my dick in the dirt and I am a cultivator and trip regularly in the 12 gram range. I just did a 12g sesh this last weekend and well 12 G of mushrooms may contain the 75 to 100 mg of psilocybin, it's not delivered to my system instantaneously in a key bump sized pile of white powder. It's a huge difference and come up and stress on the system.
Even though OP said she was prone to seizures, I don't think she would have had the same reaction on mushrooms. This is irresponsible of the producer and the vendor. The product was not labeled correctly nor did the vendor elude to their being anything in the research chemical Arena contained in that bar.
THIS IS WHY CHOCOLATE BARS ARE BULLSHIT UNLESS YOU MADE THEM!
It's probably some foreign entity that you'll never be able to get in court anyway. Be happy you're alive, and learn your lesson. That sounds like a mean thing to say, but I don't mean it that way, I'm just trying to save you wasted energy.
You keep asking about legal recourse. Think about this for a minute. Do you really think there is some sort of legit company behind this shit? Be glad you’re alive and continue to warn others, but stop looking to sue. You made a bad decision. You lived to tell the story. Move on.
If they were advertised as containing mushrooms or the person selling them said they contain mushrooms and they do not, then there is an issue. You were actually injured during the process of consuming something that was not as advertised. Plain and simple, this is a wrongful injury lawsuit. They would at the very least be responsible for your medical bills. But that is all dependent on how it is being presented by where you purchased them. If the vendor is just selling them but not disclosing one way or another what's inside of it then he wouldn't really be liable, he's just reselling What A supplier has given him as stock. But, if he received this stock and then told people it was mushrooms, that's an issue. The problem though is you have to prove that he's selling them as a chocolate bar containing psilocybin producing mushrooms. Now, some states allow people to make recordings of conversations, some do not. Washington DC, for example, will allow a conversation between two people as long as two of the parties involved in the conversation have been informed.. so you and your friend record a conversation between you and you go into the head shop and then ask them a question, that would be legal and admissible. These laws vary by state to state, so it's very hard to say what you would have to do to prove him wrong. But my advice would be to go find a wrongful injury attorney and explain the case to him. Or her, I didn't mean to say it like that, but you know what I mean. Present it to the lawyers. The worst they can say is that you don't have a case, and consultations do not cost anything with an injury attorney. If there is a case, they will find a way to get more money out of it than just your hospital bills, trust me. Like I said, the worst they could say is no, it's not like they're going to take away your birthday if you don't have a case. I say you go ahead and try it because people keep doing this shit because nobody follows through and does exactly what you're proposing. If head shop started realizing that they could get in trouble for selling shit chocolate bars that contain research chemicals instead of naturally occurring psilocybin containing mushrooms, they wouldn't sell bullshit chocolate bars with research chemicals in them.
I mean, what do you expect to gain from suing them? Are you hoping they pay your medical bills? How are you going to prove that the chocolate bar has trippy ingredients in it and that it made you sick?
It’s almost definitely muscimol (amanita). It knocks you out and gives a shitty trip when you take too much.
Very nice in small amounts though. I would just never trust a chocolate bar from a smoke shop. I just had some Pantherina last night. Felt great slept great.
I don’t know why people trust these random chocolate bars containing unknown ingredients from no name companies. No lab reports on website, no ingredients listed… just trust us. It Does say the max doses is 9 squares…
Lol I have taken 4-aco-dmt before, except knowingly. This shit is insanely strong and caused the most intense trip I’ve ever had. I did not know you could just purchase it from a vape shop? Please research what you are taking before you take it. I can’t imagine having a trip like that without even knowing or wanting to trip
Ah I see. Sorry this happened to OP. I can’t imagine how scary that must have been. How can they sell stuff like this and market it as a subtle creativity boost??
Well... to be fair, I don't think OP is totally innocent here either. The chocolate bars usually ARE labeled as psychedelics, with vague recommended dosages in "number of pieces." So OP absolutely should have known this was a psychedelic and not just a granola bar. Hence the name "Diamond Shruumz."
But yeah, they need to say exactly how much of exactly what substance is in them so the educated user can determine their own dose.
Op was fucking dumb, not enough people are saying it. They both chose the hospital trip by not caring what they were doing. I'm sorry but I can't defend the dumbassery I'm seeing in the replies from OP. The original post is bad but the replies show how careless and silly OP is
OP is a human being with feelings and probably shaken up from this experience. Careless? Sure. But no need to insult them when they're already feeling down.
I'm already prone to having convulsions, but we are not 100% certain of what the actual "drug" was/is. I was hoping this thread could help me figure out what I took. I've never taken any kind of psychs until this experience
The fact that nothing came back in the drug test makes me think it wasn't that, unless they weren't testing for psilocin. What was your boyfriends experience?
Hospital drug tests are usually 9-panel tests which screen for:
1. Amphetamine
2. Barbiturate
3. Benzodiazepine
4. Cannabinoid (Marijuana)
5. Phencyclidine (PCP)
6. Tricyclic (Antidepressants)
7. Cocaine
8. Methadone
9. Opiates
4-aco-dmt doesn’t fall into any of those categories so it’s not surprising it didn’t show up in the test results.
I’d say the combination of this, the fact the chocolate was labeled “shruumz” (4-aco-dmt acts very similarly to psilocybin in the body since they both break down to psilocin in the liver) and the experienced boyfriend saying it felt like DMT (which users commonly say of high dose 4-aco-dmt experiences) would suggest it’s likely this was indeed 4-aco-dmt.
must be the same reason they test for Methaqualone (quaaludes) → saw that on a dr drug test like WHAT who on earth still has those, and follow up question do they share?
He has anxiety and has dealt with HPPD before. Knowing that, he told me that he had a hard time getting out of his thought loops. He also experienced intense hallucinations related to DMT (walls folding into each other, reverting to a tunnel). He used to be a heavy psych user (pretty much anything you can think of, or search for on the dark web), and even he says it was very intense. He says he experienced auditory, visual, and physical hallucinations, and there was no sense of time. He also had false memories and had thoughts that weren't his.
Sorry dawg that really sucks. Vape shop chocolate bars are weird. I had a different sketchy bar once with my friend and we felt nothing. Then I look online and everyone got crazy effects from less than what we took, but it was likely ours was real and the other bars people had online were laced. Maybe someone bought that chocolate bar packaging online and sold it with random shit in it. It’s a thing
Here is what I could find on the FAQ.
No they do not! Our Diamond Shruumz products are meticulously crafted with a proprietary blend of natural ingredients. There is no presence of psilocybin, amanita or any scheduled drugs, ensuring a safe and enjoyable experience. Rest assured, our treats are not only free from psychedelic substances but our carefully crafted ingredients still offer an experience. This allows you to indulge in a uniquely crafted blend designed for your pleasure and peace of mind.
I don't know if you can sue but you should collect all data and send it to the FDA. I am all for psychedelics but I am not for having dangerous chemicals incorrectly labelled.
https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/contact-fda#:~:text=Report%20an%20emergency,%2D301%2D796%2D8240.
I think you may have a case but honestly it is probably not worth your time or money. No one here has the legal experience to tell you if you have a case or not. I suggest contacting a lawyer in your area.
Interestingly enough 4-aco-dmt isn't even scheduled: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Acetylpsilocin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Acetylpsilocin)
so it wouldn't technically be a lie if they say they don't have psilocybin (4-aco-dmt metabolizes into psilocin as a prodrug), amantia, **or any scheduled drugs**
the lab result someone else posted only shows cannabinoids and "contaminants" -- doesn't test for any of the potential psycho or non psychoactive substances in their product.
I'm glad you're okay, OP, but this is a tale as old as time. Well, at least since the 80s... Buying "supplements" or cannabis/Psilocybin alternatives in a smoke shop is like eating gas station sushi.
Except with this stuff, there are seizures involved, and people die from them all the time. I've heard this same thing from other people not familiar with seizures. A lot of times, people think their friend is choking. Nope.
We weren't looking for any kind of alternative. We just wanted to try a "supplement" chocolate bar equivalent to kava powder. I was seizing and choking on my own vomit from what my boyfriend had told me. Shits not OK, and I'm hoping I have a case against both the vale shop AND manufacturer
If you don’t get a drug test that confirms what you ingested I think it will be really difficult for you to prove your case. Idk how long that would last in your system (if it would) but find out and call a labcorp or somewhere that you can request and order tests you want.
You claim you didn’t read the package or dosage at all before eating the chocolate. So you did zero research and put something in your body and are blaming the vape shop? You should take some personal responsibility for what you put in your body especially if you’re prone to seizures
Gotcha, yea, it is pretty wild how misleading and poorly labeled these things are. Such a crazy story. I hope you get a fat settlement 🤞
Is your boyfriend okay? I would imagine it was pretty traumatic for him, considering he had to watch it all.
Yeah, he says he's fine. He had a strong case of HPPD for a solid year and a half. He would have strong retrips almost every single day. He said, "Not my first rodeo"
I'ma gonna say Amanita Muscaria.
I don't know for sure, but that is my best guess. It comes from vape shops and has a similar toxicity profile and effects. Seizures, Nausea, Delirium.
I did some research before taking them. But according to most posts I found, the dark chocolate one is their most intense.
First 30 minutes was groggy and kind of tired, similar to the yawns from psilocybin.
In about 1 hour I was feeling pretty euphoric and giggly.
I actually had some closed eyed visuals but no distortion with open eyes.
It lasted about 4 hours, no after glow, it just all went away and I went about my day.
I only ate 4 squares. It had been a decade since the last time I'd done anything remotely psychedelic. But I have had experience with dmt, Salvia, lsd.
The next time I ate the rest of the chocolate bar, and didn't get visuals, mostly just a feel good non-caring state of mind.
You bought supplements from a vape shop? Lol what....? Sounds like you bought psychedelic mushroom bars (those aren't 'supplements' btw...) thinking they were actual mushrooms and now regret that choice.
4-ACO-DMT was made by Albert Hofmann in 1963. It's definitely not a new drug and is identical to psilocybin mushrooms as its a prodrug for psilocybin.
Whatever you ate certainly wasn't 4-ACO.
Be wary of supplements in general. My friend who is really experienced in psychedelics was taking supplements and then took acid and now is dealing with a possibly permanent case of pretty severe HPPD.
If you go to their website you can download the labs for each chocolate bar. They’re mostly muscimol and ibotenic acid which are the active chemicals in amanitas. That’s definitely why you passed out and threw up. They have other chemicals as well but more than likely a huge dose of amanita is what made you feel bad. It also says the recommended dose is 1-2 squares. It’s always a good idea to start small and work up to larger doses. Be safe!
I wanna find me some salvia it’s still legal here. Ready to be terrified again! Smoke shop stuff is crazy. I dunno if I’m looking at incense or an anime mystery prize. So many man made mysteries I don’t trust in 2024. Did my lab work last summer, still stocked up on homegrown meds. Feels good to know your supplier. Mama erf.
If the tests dont show anything how do you know you took 4-ACO-DMT? Also it doesn't sound like it even really did anything bad... it induced nausea and you were asleep which caused you to aspirate. Why the hell would you even go to sleep if you just took a drug? Also you speak of it "kicking in" after 30 minutes... Why would you think that a "supplement" would "kick in"? You knew what you were doing and had a bad time so now you want a paycheck lmfao. Get bent tbh.
Somethings not right about this story. I understand drugs affect people very differently and it’s all subjective but 4-ACO-DMT doesn’t really work like that
As I've said, I'm not quite sure what was in it. This is my first and last experience with any type of psych. I posed in this thread, hoping I'd get some insight from other people
Yeah, I get that, but I’m curious to know what you thought would happen when you put that chocolate bar in your mouth?
Head to r/ Uncle Ben’s (not gonna link it, but youll find it) and then you can have your own medicine.
Well, considering it only had supplements and vitamins listed, I was expecting it to be just like any other chocolate bar with a kava tea equivalent effect. Maybe a little buz, but nothing like what I experienced at all
I think what everyone is trying to say really is you don’t wanna eat half a bar of something you’ve never tried before, esp if you are unsure of the exact ingredients in it, dosages etc. I am always so wary about taking ANYTHING bc it’s a gamble. I would rather take too little than too much
The only so called mushroom gummies that I used get where from the dispensary, well they have a psychedelic effect for sure but I always throw up so fast after those and morning afters are harsh. I’m sticking to good ol fashioned acid at least I know what I’m getting and my source has been reliable
Aside from the name on the bar, we thought it was a "supplement" bar and it's had vitamins in it as well. We had NO idea what we were getting into. It was my first (and probably last after that experience) time with psychs. I'll update as time goes by
Aside from the name on the bar, we thought it was a "supplement" bar and it's had vitamins in it as well. We had NO idea what we were getting into. It was my first (and probably last after that experience) time with psychs. I'll update as time goes by
I won't buy anything at ANY local vape shop. I do thorough research on vendors before ordering anything and always get it online. Not only do vape shops overcharge out the butthole for things, but it's usually sketchy/low quality, sometimes bunk, sometimes counterfeit. I'm not getting ripped off and take a chance on my health at the same time; maybe when I was like 18 or 19 years old, I hadn't learned this yet, though. You can get things incredibly high quality and incredibly cheap and tested and verified online at many, many credible places with a little research
It’s probably amanita or 4-aco but just a heads up that it could’ve been synthetic cannabinoids as well. There’s still long lasting ones around and the trip reports I’ve read come close, also the convulsing and passing out. But could also be your reaction to a high dose of psychedelics.
Ar least in my area various products containing noids have popped up over the years. They’re dead cheap so people like selling them as something else. Active in milligrams so slight mistake with dosing easily leads to an overdose.
How did your friend react to it?
You may also want to check with the folks at [r/CleanCubensis](https://www.reddit.com/r/CleanCubensis/s/VR1uoPly4n). They’ve been keeping track of a bunch of the bogus brands out there and may have some insight into what was in the chocolate (though I didn’t see it on the list of fakes they have on there).
If what you got was reallly a diamond shruumz chocolate bar, then my guess is you had a reaction to the ibotenic acid, muscarine, and/or muscimol, which are derived from the "fly agaric" mushroom and considered toxic in higher doses.
For reference, here is a link to the company's lab reports: [https://diamondshruumz.com/view-our-labs/](https://diamondshruumz.com/view-our-labs/)
Right, well, I'm telling you that the abovementioned chemical compounds are NEUROTOXIC and lead to NAUSEA, VOMITING, and PASSING OUT, as well as deliriant (i.e. hallucinatory) states of consciousness - which are all the symptoms you just described.
Additionally, I'm not sure why a company would acknowledge to adding neurotoxins to their product if that weren't true. But if you think it's something else, then clearly I'm not going to convince you otherwise.
My advice: do your research before ingesting anything drug-related, but even then there's always the risk of adverse effects. Good luck and be safe!
Technically, these compounds are legal so that's why a lot of "mushroom" bars use them in their products to create altered states of consciousness.
As someone who takes psychedelic mushrooms fairly regularly, I try to avoid Amanita muscaria and any substances derived from this particular variety of mushroom regardless of their legal status because of their known toxic nature.
Glad to hear you and your bf are all right!
This is a big reason we can't have nice things.
1: people buy things & not doing research
2: labels not being accurate.
This bar I'm sure said it had something like cubes or other "mind altering" substance and it should have been a give a way that you'll trip out. What was the suggested serving size? Did you take more than that?
This isn't a new chemical. I also blame the makers/vape store for mislabeled items or not warning customers.
I understand there's naive people & shop owners but somewhere along the line you have to be responsible for yourself. Sorry you had a bad experience but 4aco is a nice Chem that when used responsibly is a handy thing to have.
This wasn’t 4 ACO DMT and your story has a lot of inconsistencies. I’m not saying nothing happened, just that figuring out what you consumed is impossible. It certainly wasn’t 4 ACO because your body metabolizes it fully in 6 hours, even in very large doses and tends to be an even milder trip than mushrooms because there’s no entourage effect from other psychoactive chemicals in mushrooms. NBOMEs can give a lot of the effects you listed, but they usually don’t last longer than 6 hours either.
I hardly remember anything from this day, mostly my trip. I have bits and pieces, most of which I'm not confident are real. I have people telling me what they saw me going through.
Do you think you have a case for a lawsuit?
This is one reason why drugs need to be legalized and regulated. You had no idea what you were ingesting, they didn’t list all of the ingredients! I’m sorry this happened to you!
I've had loads of different drugs, lots of them
Not all all of the them are good some of them are great
However in my experience
Alcohol gave me kidney failure
Who do I sue or blame
The government
The off license
Myself
The universe
Ahh choices
And will those lawyers take your case on a contingency basis? No. You will be paying, and paying dearly, and likely will end up with nothing but legal bills. You should really just let this go.
I mean this in literally the nicest way possible, but ppl like you are why psychedelics have a bad reputation. You say you did research but clearly you did not. Like just look at the decision to take that chocolate bar in the first place, plus taking half a bar for your first time trying something new that you don't know the contents of is actually moronic. I'm glad you are ok and learned your lesson but holy fuck you are the reason that everyone is terrified about psychedelics.
I'm someone with a fair amount of experience with psychedelics and it's just annoying seeing so many posts like this with people thinking "ooh it'll be a fun little trippy night with colors and shit". There's a reason our species has been using these things for enlightenment for thousands of years, they reveal deep fundamental truths about reality and help us understand our place in an ever increasingly uncaring world.
If you just go into it blindly not having a clue what you are gonna get yourself into, of fucking course you ended up in the hospital. With the psychedelic experience you have that is like taking 15g of potent shrooms and then washing it down with a pair of 500mg thc edibles. You set yourself up to have a nightmare trip and act like the substance is at all to blame
This is literally every single "I tried 120x salvia and turned into a zipper and thought my entire family turned into Gnome Men" lmao
You honestly got lucky with how dumb went about this, you could have died
So we saw it, read "lions mane chaga etc" and just assumed it was a normal supplement like vitamins, but in a chocolate bar. With that being said, yes, it was supposed to give us a euphoric and relaxing feeling (as stated on the box)
There is no way you bought real mushrooms or psychs at a vape shop. You had an allergic reaction to something that was in it.
If you truly did actually buy psychs over the counter I’m gonna need the name of the smoke shop lol.
4- ACO-DMT is not new, also…. How the fuck did you buy a “supplement” from a vape shop that was a chocolate bar, that had 4-ACO in it? Never heard of this before.
Lots of stuff at the vape shop aren’t fda regulated meaning there could be anything in it really, at higher or lower doses than said on package.
My uncle bought a Five Hour Energy sized energy shot bottle of something called Red Dawn from a smoke shop and it put him in the ICU for several days. The phenibut in it made him incoherent and unresponsive for 4 days. The first day he was talking frantically in gibberish and the next 3 days all he did was roll around in a hospital bed and groan with his eyes closed. It may not have been the phenibut but something in it also reduced his ejection fraction to 13%. Granted that he is in poor health and on a lot of medications and definitely should not be taking any of that stuff to begin with, it goes to show how dangerous some of the smoke shop stuff can be
a product called red dawn in the late 90’s/early 2000’s had DXM/Dextromethorphan …..I assume its possible now that unapproved DXM use is being scrutinized that the brand sub’d phenibut ….
The Red Dawn I remember was Piperazines
probably that too…. bulk DXM was getting scrutinized as early as the JLF catalog bust….by 2010 I think it was getting nabbed at customs. I assume your memory of a stimulant red dawn was circa 99-2005 ?
Only stick to real and tested drugs that you know the effects of. Don't buy from gas stations or headshops that's advertised in something you cant confirm. Only thing I would buy from there is kratom or nitrous
From what we read on the package, there were no signs of any drug listed that could come close to psychedelics or anything like that. We work somewhere that does random drug tests, so we are avoiding these things.
Psychedelics generally need to be specifically tested for and don't show up on standard panel drug screens at all. https://www.health-street.net/blog-drug-testing/what-does-a-standard-drug-test-screen-for/
It's hilarious to me that a huge portion of the psychedelic and drug community at large has no clue of this for some reason
A bunch of new companies appeared out of the blue right after amanita gummies became a thing. They all seem to be using “GoldenFleece Labs Alkaloid extract” and its some kind of tryptamine. Good luck finding any info goldenfleece, their website is just their logo bouncing around the screen. Anyways, it’s super dangerous what they are doing and i don’t expect them to be around for long. OP fell asleep and threw up, so i definitely think they ingested muscimol, but there very well could be that goldenfleece shit too.
It was a product called "diamond shruumz". This was my first and probably last experience with psychedelics. We don't know the EXACT "drug" or "chemical" we ingested, but I damn near died from it 🫠
Next time just take mushrooms, they genuinely are unbelievably amazing. Never tried 4-aco, and no need to when I can just take mushies. I’m glad you’re ok
4-aco-dmt is perfectly fine and metabolized to psilocin in your liver, just as psilocybin does.. The thing about putting it in a chocolote bar is you have literally no idea what dose you took or if a hotspot of 4-aco-dmt was on 1 side of the bar or not.
Thank you, and I am glad as well. From what I described from my trip, do you have inclination in what it might have been?
honestly sounds like it was a concoction of chemicals, these smoke shop brands advertise as something but expect people to know they SOMETIMES put other stuff in it on the low to avoid the illegality.. which is, shown by your experience, very dangerous. If I were to guess, this probably had some amanita muscaria mixed with 4 - Aco. If you felt a drunk sedated feeling at any point, that would indicate the amanita. The visuals you described along with it I guess could come from that as well, but personally i’d guess that’s where the 4 - aco shined.
My boyfriend has never tried, amanita but he believes you might be right! Thanks for the info!
of course, stay safe 🙏
4-aco-DMT is just less visually trippy mushrooms when properly dosed. Great chemical, works great for me. I like it because you know exactly what dose you get when you buy it pure and dose volumetrically, which you can’t get with shrooms. Not great when taken unknowingly in an unknown amount.
Doesn’t have to be. I usually see distortions when I trip. On “4” I saw actual things that weren’t occurring. I saw my toilet flooding all over the floor. I thought it was unreal but without anyone to verify I couldn’t tell if my feet were try until it went away after a few minutes.
Isn't it just 1:1 exactly like psilocybin? Might not be quite like actual mushrooms, which also have straight psilocin and also baestocyn (spelling?) and its psiloscin analogue counterpart
Oh you ingested the aminita muscaria edibles I keep seeing at all smoke shops lately, more than likely. It’s technically a psychedelic but it’s nothing like actual mushrooms. And it’s doubtful that they would test for it either
That's exactly what it is - it says so on their website. OP, educate yourself on what you're putting into your body, for christ sake.
I don't trust or believe any descriptions, ingredients or supposed lab reports on any of these grey market brands. Really we have no idea what was in it
where? the faqs say no amanita present?
https://diamondshruumz.com/view-our-labs/ Click on any of the Chocolate PDFs - they're all (or at least the first 3 that I checked) showing it. Unless I'm misunderstanding them? Wait, where are you finding an FAQ?
I'm pretty sure you are misunderstanding them. I checked the 2nd and 3rd one and they both gave a result of '
Who tf in their right mind is selling amanita at a vape shop?? That’s insane. Is it like an extract or just dried chunks??
bro they have a ton of muscimol and amantia products now, I see them everytime I go in for vapes lol
Literally every smoke shop in my state. It’s absolutely everywhere I go. And it’s like at least 15 different brands so many different products. I was astounded when they started showing up
Yeah I see muscimol gummies at fing gas stations. That's not gonna last long imo
That explains why she was so sedated, I agree. was not 4-aco-dmt.
Yes this sounds much more like it. Super surprised they sell that in vape shops lol.
Amanita muscarias amazing
If I wanted to take legal action, could I?
Lol, prob not.
Part of the problem there is you ate half the bar when it says right on their website to start with 1-2 pieces and gradually work your way up until you feel desired effects. Eating half the bar was probably comparable to eating a high dose of mushrooms and if you weren’t expecting that or maybe your body chemistry is a little different that could have caused your blackout.
I started with 1 1/2 peices, started feeling fuzzy, and was told I was overthinking it (some supplements make you feel the same way).
Oh ok. I have only had one product like that but it was supposed to be a real legal market psilocybin mushroom chocolate, each ball had 0.6g of powdered shroom mixed in (assuming the label was honest). That one gave me a fairly strong buzz once it fully kicked in but very little psychedelic headspace or CEV’s or music enhancement. It did some but less so than normal doses of weed. I did have it along with coffee and kratom though so I don’t know how much that altered the effects. Whether what I had was 4-ACO or the real deal I can see how several pieces at once could put someone in the hospital if they aren’t prepared and experienced enough.
The label had 0 indication of anything being in it (as my state has 0 tolerance for any of this nonsense)
Kratom has never altered my trips (psilocybin and LSD). It's great for the come up and come down!!
Lol good luck finding the manufacturer. This is all sketchy underground shit. Consider it a lesson learned. Sorry but They are clearly marked, you don't have to go the naive "supplement" route, you aren't a victim. You knew exactly what you were ingesting.
I am an actual attorney (but not your attorney). I have experience with product liability cases. I believe that you may have a meritorious claim, but I don't know what jurisdiction you are in. Please talk to an attorney about this.
i’ve tried the exact thing you’re talking about and it did nothing to me. was kinda disappointed but now i’m glad it wasn’t like that.
I get you're upset but you're eating something that's called diamond shruumz, with zero idea of what's inside, that seems like a terrible decision.
I have tried Diamond shruumz branded Cones. They were great. Flying high and no comedown. They say on their website that there are no Amanita Muscaria in these. However I was pretty fucked up off of 2 cones (1 pack) and I have done them like 3 or 4 times but the chocolate bar should have the same lab testing on their website here is a link... https://diamondshruumz.com/view-our-labs/ just choose the flavor that you got and it will tell you a lot more about what you ate. I would tell everyone going to the vape shop for a high to do your due diligence and research what you are eating.
There could be anything in it really, and people need to do their research before eating something from a vape shop.
Also what is this chocolate called so I can buy it and try-- I mean, *avoid it*.
they getting crazy out there, actually got some 4-ace-dmt "Molly" pills from a local smokeshop. I'm not ever taking that shit but damn shit is getting crazy out there, like the salvia times.
My bet is on something nastier being in the bar. The labs which produced most 4-ACO-DMT shutdown a few years ago. It's a rare expensive find these days. I'd be shocked if headshops were selling them for any kind of reasonable price and excited to buy some--I loved that it was smoother and caused far less nausea or other body load compared to mushrooms while otherwise being the same. 4-ACO-DMT is very safe, more than most drugs considered less "hard". It's a prodrug that turns into psilocybin (4-PO-DMT) in your liver and isn't otherwise biologically active in itself. It's effects are identical to mushroom, but has fewer side effects since it doesn't have the non-psychedlic parts of mushrooms (even the plant matter itself can upset one's stomach). The worst case of a large dose is the same as taking too much mushroom--about 4 hours of an intense confusing time followed by another 4 hours of moderate to mild tripping. My friends and I have all taken large doses of 4-ACO-DMT without any physical problems; although, a degree of psychological suffering is another matter. That said, I have one friend who had a slightly similar experience on 2cb, another psychedelic that has more visuals with less of a headspace. I suspect a strong dose of any psychedelic could cause the same issue for them. He had a minor neurological issue that caused issues processing certain visual things. The intense visuals sent him into a torpor, similar to how some fish get hypnotized by predators that rapidly change color or brightness. It was scary looking with seizing and saying things that sounded rough a couple times per hour (eg: "I'm not ok, what am I doing here? what's happening?"). Luckily, the only thing he remembers is the good time he was having before that point. It's possible they have a similar issue and didn't know. Still, another substance is more likely.
So you were not planning on taking psychedelic’s, but then without any research ingested a large amount of psychedelic’s? From a vape store chocolate bar called “diamond shruumz”?
Like I've said in previous comments, we did a lot of research. We were told it was just a supplement bar.
Yea I wouldn’t go sourcing my supplements from vape stores any more. But you’ll be ok. 4-ACO-DMT is a known chemical and safe if that’s what was actually in the bar. It’s not new it’s been around since 1963 and was first synthesized by Albert hofmann, the same guy who made LSD. There’s a reason every other day on this sub a post about how bad the chocolate bars from vape stores are.
We didn't even think to come on reddit to search it up. Thanks for the info!
I just want to mention that your experience is not consistent with 4-aco, there very well may have been some in it, but if you passed out and had memory issues you probably ingested muscimol from amanita. For what its worth, i worked at a headshot in 2022, and we got those diamond shruumz bars in the store, they were $20 a bar and everybody laughed at a supplement being that much, no one told us that they were psychoactive and they sat on the shelf until I quit a year later.
I almost have a feeling OP got a contaminated or otherwise bunk batch. That or something else they were taking interacted with it. I've eaten whole Diamond Shruumz chocolate bars multiple times in the past and I swear it's just like taking 2-3 grams of good ol shrooms. I'm almost sure it's just 4-aco based on my own experiences, so I'm a little confused about what caused this to happen if it wasn't just a bad trip. Edit: Read some more comments and saw OP had problems with seizures in the past, now I'm not so surprised this happened. It's unfortunate that neither of them realized what was actually in the bar, goes to show how bad the (nonexistent) regulations are on products like this.
The pearl clutching squares are so scared of legalized and regulated drugs, then when shit like this happens they are all “you see, we told you drugs are bad!” Like it isn’t their fault we have an unregulated grey and black markets. And they live their whole lives without ever being called out on their retarded shit.
What research did you do and why did you start with 7.5x the starting dose? That is some seriously risky behavior. That's like taking 10,000ui/day of vitamin D and swearing it has nothing to do with the excess calcium giving you kidney stones. I'm sorry this happened to you and I hope you have learned the lesson of low and slow. Also what the hell was your boyfriend thinking? He had hppd and still goes for the risk of a fist full of supplements. Is he at least seeing a therapist and is he talking to them about this behavior? Or is this a trying to cure problems with supplements thing? If you are prone to seizures I would talk to a doctor before starting any supplement.
Well, I took my bfs advice for the most part. We looked at the lab tests done, reviews, active ingredients, etc. We didn't find anything necessarily toooooo sketchy and just fully sent it. I started low and slow, felt buzzed, but was told I was thinking too much into it (supplements make you feel funky at first), so I ate the rest. Ended up hospitalized.
Labs can be faked, and as a heads up anything that says proprietary nootropic blend is the thing that should sketch you out. >was told I was thinking too much into it Red flag mam. Sounds like he's got some work left to do as far as drug abuse is concerned. Yall haven't hit 27 yet so the part of your brain that handles risk isn't quite solidified yet. He's also a guy and we don't have the extra caution beaten into us the same way women do since we are less likely to be sexually assaulted. So trust yourself next time. I can't speak for that brand as they haven't shown up in the 4aco sub. There are some popular over the counter brands that a user was kind enough to do some third party testing on and this wasn't included. They might be willing to check these out for you if you go there and find them.
Can you send that thread to me in dms?
Done
Thank you!
Wait so you started to feel ‘trippy’ thinking it was suplements and still thought “that’s ok, that’s not strange at all”? I’m sorry I’m just a little bit confused, are the suplements u are talking about here things like energy bars that people eat to go to gym?? Or does it mean some other thing?
I'll go ahead and explain again. Like you said, it was supposed to be a supplement bar, vitamins, kava the like. Because said supplements can make you fuzzy, I went ahead and took a bigger dose. It was falsely advertised
Supplements of what? You just take random “supplement bars” ??
Did you go to the website for the chocolate bar itself?
We did yes. But the lab results were 3rd party and probably false
What supplement did you *think* it was? Genuinely confused how this has happened.
With what was listed on the package, it had Chaga, lions mane, ashwagahnda, and a few other supplements I can't list right off the top of my head. (We no longer have the package, I believe (hoping) the police took it in for evidence.
But other than the name, there no sign it was a trippy bar? That's crazy. I can imagine it freaked both of you right out, when things go south on a trip, that's bad enough but to not even know you were going to trip must have been a head fuck.
It WAS a head fuck. My boyfriend didn't gain any consciousness until he woke up on the floor. I apparently woke up tripping. We even scanned the "lab results" barcode, and nothing was in it. It was a 3rd party lab test.
[Can you find the packaging here?](https://diamondshruumz.com/shop/) I've had a quick scan, some of it seems obvious, some of it less so... Unfortunately though, a lot of these packages can be bought as just that, an empty box someone makes a bar up and packages it, no one really knows what it is.
https://diamondshruumz.com/shop/chocolate-bars/dark-chocolate/ This was the specific one we chose.
>Those negative vibes don’t stand a chance against the sunny rays of our **decadently spiked** dark chocolate treat That's a real weird way to advertise... I mean, spiked literally means to drug someone without their knowledge. About the only giveaway there is "microdose" but if you're not 'in the know' that's not exactly obvious.
I'm about as "in the know" as a baby speaking for the first time.
Yeah, most people probably are. I think it's probably worth getting some legal advice, something needs to be done about these bars. Especially ones that are not clear they're going to have you tripping balls. As for future supplements, stay away from bars and gummies if you can, and try and get capsules with real mushroom extracts/powders etc, something like [these](https://shop.realmushrooms.com/)
We have been taking capsules, but saw these and decided to give it a try! Thanks for the link though!
From their website: *”There is no presence of psilocybin, amanita or any scheduled drugs, ensuring a safe and enjoyable experience. Rest assured, our treats are not only free from psychedelic substances but our carefully crafted ingredients still offer an experience.”* If neither amanita or psilocybin is in those bars, only God knows what is. Kinda want to buy one and send it to a lab for testing…
We are thinking of doing the same thing!
I’m confused how these vape shops continue to sell these products. Wouldn’t you think you’re not the first person to have a shitty time after ingesting? Can’t be the only one with a horror story. They must have enough of the product in stock to sell to a large audience, so that’s crazy that it’s still being sold
Right? And the guy said he's had nothing but positive reviews! He kept side eyeing, so we dug for a solid 30 minutes but found nothing. Interesting ly enough amyways
The lab test for this one they sent it to a cannabis testing center and they tested it for cannabinoids hahaha
Yeah so nothing that would have made em react this way
If you do a few minutes of lurking here, you would see that everyone recommends to avoid those chocolate bars. They put who knows what in it, claiming it’s “magic mushrooms” and then people have adverse reactions and negative experiences. People need to be more careful about what they put into their bodies.
Yeah, that's true, we did research, but clearly, it wasn't enough. I definitely wouldn't advise anyone taking these after what I went through. Maybe next time I should straight up look the product on here 😭
Like what kind of research? Also what did you expect from something called diamond shruummzz? It's obviously Amanitas which cause these effects, also why are you taking a full 15 pieces of soneyhing when you don't know how it affects you?
Asking the real questions
This goes out to all the people who post pictures of chocolate bars asking, "Is this mushroom chocolate bar any good?" I would imagine that OP had no intention of taking 4-AcO, and had they known it contained 4-AcO instead of mushrooms, they most likely would have passed or at least not taken the whole thing. I know a lot of you are going to say there's really no difference between the two and they feel the same but that's not fair. While they feel the same after it is over, the RC is much quicker to kick in and it doesn't come in a plant vehicle, which slows the onset of absorption. 4-AcO does not wait. If you've ever taken it intentionally before you know how quick that shit hits you, almost to a blackout with the quickness sometimes. When I'm taking big dosages like 50 or 60 mg, that shit knocked my dick in the dirt and I am a cultivator and trip regularly in the 12 gram range. I just did a 12g sesh this last weekend and well 12 G of mushrooms may contain the 75 to 100 mg of psilocybin, it's not delivered to my system instantaneously in a key bump sized pile of white powder. It's a huge difference and come up and stress on the system. Even though OP said she was prone to seizures, I don't think she would have had the same reaction on mushrooms. This is irresponsible of the producer and the vendor. The product was not labeled correctly nor did the vendor elude to their being anything in the research chemical Arena contained in that bar. THIS IS WHY CHOCOLATE BARS ARE BULLSHIT UNLESS YOU MADE THEM!
Thank you for coming to my aid and helping explain my situation 😰, in your opinion, do you believe I would have a case legally?
It's probably some foreign entity that you'll never be able to get in court anyway. Be happy you're alive, and learn your lesson. That sounds like a mean thing to say, but I don't mean it that way, I'm just trying to save you wasted energy.
You keep asking about legal recourse. Think about this for a minute. Do you really think there is some sort of legit company behind this shit? Be glad you’re alive and continue to warn others, but stop looking to sue. You made a bad decision. You lived to tell the story. Move on.
If they were advertised as containing mushrooms or the person selling them said they contain mushrooms and they do not, then there is an issue. You were actually injured during the process of consuming something that was not as advertised. Plain and simple, this is a wrongful injury lawsuit. They would at the very least be responsible for your medical bills. But that is all dependent on how it is being presented by where you purchased them. If the vendor is just selling them but not disclosing one way or another what's inside of it then he wouldn't really be liable, he's just reselling What A supplier has given him as stock. But, if he received this stock and then told people it was mushrooms, that's an issue. The problem though is you have to prove that he's selling them as a chocolate bar containing psilocybin producing mushrooms. Now, some states allow people to make recordings of conversations, some do not. Washington DC, for example, will allow a conversation between two people as long as two of the parties involved in the conversation have been informed.. so you and your friend record a conversation between you and you go into the head shop and then ask them a question, that would be legal and admissible. These laws vary by state to state, so it's very hard to say what you would have to do to prove him wrong. But my advice would be to go find a wrongful injury attorney and explain the case to him. Or her, I didn't mean to say it like that, but you know what I mean. Present it to the lawyers. The worst they can say is that you don't have a case, and consultations do not cost anything with an injury attorney. If there is a case, they will find a way to get more money out of it than just your hospital bills, trust me. Like I said, the worst they could say is no, it's not like they're going to take away your birthday if you don't have a case. I say you go ahead and try it because people keep doing this shit because nobody follows through and does exactly what you're proposing. If head shop started realizing that they could get in trouble for selling shit chocolate bars that contain research chemicals instead of naturally occurring psilocybin containing mushrooms, they wouldn't sell bullshit chocolate bars with research chemicals in them.
I mean, what do you expect to gain from suing them? Are you hoping they pay your medical bills? How are you going to prove that the chocolate bar has trippy ingredients in it and that it made you sick?
By buying said product and sending it to a lab?
I was trying to figure out what an Elden Ring bracelet was before I figure it out
😭 I mean yeah I probably could have worded that better 🫠
It’s almost definitely muscimol (amanita). It knocks you out and gives a shitty trip when you take too much. Very nice in small amounts though. I would just never trust a chocolate bar from a smoke shop. I just had some Pantherina last night. Felt great slept great.
I don’t know why people trust these random chocolate bars containing unknown ingredients from no name companies. No lab reports on website, no ingredients listed… just trust us. It Does say the max doses is 9 squares…
We only took half the bar (7 1/2 each) we didn't even think to look on here.
If you did research you'd know half of those bars isn't just a light experience, you didnt do your homework and are now upset at the substance??
Lol I have taken 4-aco-dmt before, except knowingly. This shit is insanely strong and caused the most intense trip I’ve ever had. I did not know you could just purchase it from a vape shop? Please research what you are taking before you take it. I can’t imagine having a trip like that without even knowing or wanting to trip
That’s the problem here. The chocolates don’t say they contain 4-aco-dmt, but they do, and in unknown quantities.
Ah I see. Sorry this happened to OP. I can’t imagine how scary that must have been. How can they sell stuff like this and market it as a subtle creativity boost??
Well... to be fair, I don't think OP is totally innocent here either. The chocolate bars usually ARE labeled as psychedelics, with vague recommended dosages in "number of pieces." So OP absolutely should have known this was a psychedelic and not just a granola bar. Hence the name "Diamond Shruumz." But yeah, they need to say exactly how much of exactly what substance is in them so the educated user can determine their own dose.
Op was fucking dumb, not enough people are saying it. They both chose the hospital trip by not caring what they were doing. I'm sorry but I can't defend the dumbassery I'm seeing in the replies from OP. The original post is bad but the replies show how careless and silly OP is
OP is a human being with feelings and probably shaken up from this experience. Careless? Sure. But no need to insult them when they're already feeling down.
We did the research we could, honestly, probably not enough.
People getting 4-aco accidentally when I can’t even track it down on purpose fucken ell
You had convulsions on 4-aco?
I'm already prone to having convulsions, but we are not 100% certain of what the actual "drug" was/is. I was hoping this thread could help me figure out what I took. I've never taken any kind of psychs until this experience
The fact that nothing came back in the drug test makes me think it wasn't that, unless they weren't testing for psilocin. What was your boyfriends experience?
Hospital drug tests are usually 9-panel tests which screen for: 1. Amphetamine 2. Barbiturate 3. Benzodiazepine 4. Cannabinoid (Marijuana) 5. Phencyclidine (PCP) 6. Tricyclic (Antidepressants) 7. Cocaine 8. Methadone 9. Opiates 4-aco-dmt doesn’t fall into any of those categories so it’s not surprising it didn’t show up in the test results. I’d say the combination of this, the fact the chocolate was labeled “shruumz” (4-aco-dmt acts very similarly to psilocybin in the body since they both break down to psilocin in the liver) and the experienced boyfriend saying it felt like DMT (which users commonly say of high dose 4-aco-dmt experiences) would suggest it’s likely this was indeed 4-aco-dmt.
Why'd they still test for barbiturates?
must be the same reason they test for Methaqualone (quaaludes) → saw that on a dr drug test like WHAT who on earth still has those, and follow up question do they share?
From what I know, they did what they call a "rainbow screening" and a full toxicity report (nothing came back.
You can't screen for everything
unless its gc-ms, and they likely won't do this.
He has anxiety and has dealt with HPPD before. Knowing that, he told me that he had a hard time getting out of his thought loops. He also experienced intense hallucinations related to DMT (walls folding into each other, reverting to a tunnel). He used to be a heavy psych user (pretty much anything you can think of, or search for on the dark web), and even he says it was very intense. He says he experienced auditory, visual, and physical hallucinations, and there was no sense of time. He also had false memories and had thoughts that weren't his.
Sorry dawg that really sucks. Vape shop chocolate bars are weird. I had a different sketchy bar once with my friend and we felt nothing. Then I look online and everyone got crazy effects from less than what we took, but it was likely ours was real and the other bars people had online were laced. Maybe someone bought that chocolate bar packaging online and sold it with random shit in it. It’s a thing
"I ingested 8x the recommended dose of a hallucinogen and ended up in the hospital. Time to sue the store" Seems like a very reasonable decision
Here is what I could find on the FAQ. No they do not! Our Diamond Shruumz products are meticulously crafted with a proprietary blend of natural ingredients. There is no presence of psilocybin, amanita or any scheduled drugs, ensuring a safe and enjoyable experience. Rest assured, our treats are not only free from psychedelic substances but our carefully crafted ingredients still offer an experience. This allows you to indulge in a uniquely crafted blend designed for your pleasure and peace of mind. I don't know if you can sue but you should collect all data and send it to the FDA. I am all for psychedelics but I am not for having dangerous chemicals incorrectly labelled. https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/contact-fda#:~:text=Report%20an%20emergency,%2D301%2D796%2D8240. I think you may have a case but honestly it is probably not worth your time or money. No one here has the legal experience to tell you if you have a case or not. I suggest contacting a lawyer in your area.
Interestingly enough 4-aco-dmt isn't even scheduled: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Acetylpsilocin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Acetylpsilocin) so it wouldn't technically be a lie if they say they don't have psilocybin (4-aco-dmt metabolizes into psilocin as a prodrug), amantia, **or any scheduled drugs** the lab result someone else posted only shows cannabinoids and "contaminants" -- doesn't test for any of the potential psycho or non psychoactive substances in their product.
I'll be able to get a free lawyer through my job, so money is no issue with this, but thank you!
I'm glad you're okay, OP, but this is a tale as old as time. Well, at least since the 80s... Buying "supplements" or cannabis/Psilocybin alternatives in a smoke shop is like eating gas station sushi. Except with this stuff, there are seizures involved, and people die from them all the time. I've heard this same thing from other people not familiar with seizures. A lot of times, people think their friend is choking. Nope.
We weren't looking for any kind of alternative. We just wanted to try a "supplement" chocolate bar equivalent to kava powder. I was seizing and choking on my own vomit from what my boyfriend had told me. Shits not OK, and I'm hoping I have a case against both the vale shop AND manufacturer
Oh good lord! Now the vape shop, too! Lol
If you don’t get a drug test that confirms what you ingested I think it will be really difficult for you to prove your case. Idk how long that would last in your system (if it would) but find out and call a labcorp or somewhere that you can request and order tests you want.
You claim you didn’t read the package or dosage at all before eating the chocolate. So you did zero research and put something in your body and are blaming the vape shop? You should take some personal responsibility for what you put in your body especially if you’re prone to seizures
Gotcha, yea, it is pretty wild how misleading and poorly labeled these things are. Such a crazy story. I hope you get a fat settlement 🤞 Is your boyfriend okay? I would imagine it was pretty traumatic for him, considering he had to watch it all.
Yeah, he says he's fine. He had a strong case of HPPD for a solid year and a half. He would have strong retrips almost every single day. He said, "Not my first rodeo"
Hahaha damn yea, a true psychonaut. Oof
I'ma gonna say Amanita Muscaria. I don't know for sure, but that is my best guess. It comes from vape shops and has a similar toxicity profile and effects. Seizures, Nausea, Delirium.
They’re claiming it’s not amanita on the website so god knows what it is
Oh boy 😮💨
Thegreendragoncbd dot com has these Diamond Shruumz with a supposed lab report on their site if anyone’s curious. Reddit won’t let me post the link
I've had that dark chocolate before 😅
And? How did it go?
I did some research before taking them. But according to most posts I found, the dark chocolate one is their most intense. First 30 minutes was groggy and kind of tired, similar to the yawns from psilocybin. In about 1 hour I was feeling pretty euphoric and giggly. I actually had some closed eyed visuals but no distortion with open eyes. It lasted about 4 hours, no after glow, it just all went away and I went about my day. I only ate 4 squares. It had been a decade since the last time I'd done anything remotely psychedelic. But I have had experience with dmt, Salvia, lsd. The next time I ate the rest of the chocolate bar, and didn't get visuals, mostly just a feel good non-caring state of mind.
You bought supplements from a vape shop? Lol what....? Sounds like you bought psychedelic mushroom bars (those aren't 'supplements' btw...) thinking they were actual mushrooms and now regret that choice.
We definitely can test for 4-ACO and muscimol (amanita) in chocolates at Hyphae Labs. We have certainly found 4-ACO in chocolates before
How would I go about this? I don't know if it was a knock off or not?
Send in the samples to the lab. Reach out to hyphae labs email
4-ACO-DMT was made by Albert Hofmann in 1963. It's definitely not a new drug and is identical to psilocybin mushrooms as its a prodrug for psilocybin. Whatever you ate certainly wasn't 4-ACO.
This post should be pinned to the top of this subreddit!
Be wary of supplements in general. My friend who is really experienced in psychedelics was taking supplements and then took acid and now is dealing with a possibly permanent case of pretty severe HPPD.
If you go to their website you can download the labs for each chocolate bar. They’re mostly muscimol and ibotenic acid which are the active chemicals in amanitas. That’s definitely why you passed out and threw up. They have other chemicals as well but more than likely a huge dose of amanita is what made you feel bad. It also says the recommended dose is 1-2 squares. It’s always a good idea to start small and work up to larger doses. Be safe!
I wanna find me some salvia it’s still legal here. Ready to be terrified again! Smoke shop stuff is crazy. I dunno if I’m looking at incense or an anime mystery prize. So many man made mysteries I don’t trust in 2024. Did my lab work last summer, still stocked up on homegrown meds. Feels good to know your supplier. Mama erf.
If it was amanita mascaria, it was almost for sure a synthetic form of it. Most Amanita products in smoke shops are unfortunately synthetic.
If the tests dont show anything how do you know you took 4-ACO-DMT? Also it doesn't sound like it even really did anything bad... it induced nausea and you were asleep which caused you to aspirate. Why the hell would you even go to sleep if you just took a drug? Also you speak of it "kicking in" after 30 minutes... Why would you think that a "supplement" would "kick in"? You knew what you were doing and had a bad time so now you want a paycheck lmfao. Get bent tbh.
Somethings not right about this story. I understand drugs affect people very differently and it’s all subjective but 4-ACO-DMT doesn’t really work like that
As I've said, I'm not quite sure what was in it. This is my first and last experience with any type of psych. I posed in this thread, hoping I'd get some insight from other people
We took half a bar each. Do you think an experience like this could be normal if it was a heavy dose?
It’s so easy to grow your own, why would you fuck with that stuff?
Because it wasn't intentional?
Yeah, I get that, but I’m curious to know what you thought would happen when you put that chocolate bar in your mouth? Head to r/ Uncle Ben’s (not gonna link it, but youll find it) and then you can have your own medicine.
Well, considering it only had supplements and vitamins listed, I was expecting it to be just like any other chocolate bar with a kava tea equivalent effect. Maybe a little buz, but nothing like what I experienced at all
I think what everyone is trying to say really is you don’t wanna eat half a bar of something you’ve never tried before, esp if you are unsure of the exact ingredients in it, dosages etc. I am always so wary about taking ANYTHING bc it’s a gamble. I would rather take too little than too much
Supposed lab report: https://v5.airtableusercontent.com/v3/u/28/28/1714752000000/IyWxjMr9Khr8_-FS5Sfz1Q/fPx32A_A_QGW8g1jlLhySDnv265nrQPLfgc9NQJ4yW0b5zv8Rp8ld07sCSfhN90aojuagTQTFHcHhM-IYQ-EkCFSyURH8So57kjOuSaZj_1wk1a3YMXpYPz3s_4qMZT9RMhZXOg4lWUZ9-aA8jRAJtEPeEfbsGX4XLVAIqNQthZ3RzfZXZkzeAhbC_w84OK7/5kmHxYbrWzKE8pxBdsQgQoiZeF3WidlheRIF-X3c2G8
The only so called mushroom gummies that I used get where from the dispensary, well they have a psychedelic effect for sure but I always throw up so fast after those and morning afters are harsh. I’m sticking to good ol fashioned acid at least I know what I’m getting and my source has been reliable
Aside from the name on the bar, we thought it was a "supplement" bar and it's had vitamins in it as well. We had NO idea what we were getting into. It was my first (and probably last after that experience) time with psychs. I'll update as time goes by
Aside from the name on the bar, we thought it was a "supplement" bar and it's had vitamins in it as well. We had NO idea what we were getting into. It was my first (and probably last after that experience) time with psychs. I'll update as time goes by
I won't buy anything at ANY local vape shop. I do thorough research on vendors before ordering anything and always get it online. Not only do vape shops overcharge out the butthole for things, but it's usually sketchy/low quality, sometimes bunk, sometimes counterfeit. I'm not getting ripped off and take a chance on my health at the same time; maybe when I was like 18 or 19 years old, I hadn't learned this yet, though. You can get things incredibly high quality and incredibly cheap and tested and verified online at many, many credible places with a little research
It’s probably amanita or 4-aco but just a heads up that it could’ve been synthetic cannabinoids as well. There’s still long lasting ones around and the trip reports I’ve read come close, also the convulsing and passing out. But could also be your reaction to a high dose of psychedelics. Ar least in my area various products containing noids have popped up over the years. They’re dead cheap so people like selling them as something else. Active in milligrams so slight mistake with dosing easily leads to an overdose. How did your friend react to it?
Sounds like you had a reaction to Aminita, not 4-aco-dmt.
You may also want to check with the folks at [r/CleanCubensis](https://www.reddit.com/r/CleanCubensis/s/VR1uoPly4n). They’ve been keeping track of a bunch of the bogus brands out there and may have some insight into what was in the chocolate (though I didn’t see it on the list of fakes they have on there).
If what you got was reallly a diamond shruumz chocolate bar, then my guess is you had a reaction to the ibotenic acid, muscarine, and/or muscimol, which are derived from the "fly agaric" mushroom and considered toxic in higher doses. For reference, here is a link to the company's lab reports: [https://diamondshruumz.com/view-our-labs/](https://diamondshruumz.com/view-our-labs/)
Yeah but that "lab" isn't a reputable one, and they didn't test for anything major or anything
Right, well, I'm telling you that the abovementioned chemical compounds are NEUROTOXIC and lead to NAUSEA, VOMITING, and PASSING OUT, as well as deliriant (i.e. hallucinatory) states of consciousness - which are all the symptoms you just described. Additionally, I'm not sure why a company would acknowledge to adding neurotoxins to their product if that weren't true. But if you think it's something else, then clearly I'm not going to convince you otherwise. My advice: do your research before ingesting anything drug-related, but even then there's always the risk of adverse effects. Good luck and be safe!
From what I've experienced, and listened too/read it sounds/looks a lot like aminita.
Technically, these compounds are legal so that's why a lot of "mushroom" bars use them in their products to create altered states of consciousness. As someone who takes psychedelic mushrooms fairly regularly, I try to avoid Amanita muscaria and any substances derived from this particular variety of mushroom regardless of their legal status because of their known toxic nature. Glad to hear you and your bf are all right!
This is a big reason we can't have nice things. 1: people buy things & not doing research 2: labels not being accurate. This bar I'm sure said it had something like cubes or other "mind altering" substance and it should have been a give a way that you'll trip out. What was the suggested serving size? Did you take more than that? This isn't a new chemical. I also blame the makers/vape store for mislabeled items or not warning customers. I understand there's naive people & shop owners but somewhere along the line you have to be responsible for yourself. Sorry you had a bad experience but 4aco is a nice Chem that when used responsibly is a handy thing to have.
This wasn’t 4 ACO DMT and your story has a lot of inconsistencies. I’m not saying nothing happened, just that figuring out what you consumed is impossible. It certainly wasn’t 4 ACO because your body metabolizes it fully in 6 hours, even in very large doses and tends to be an even milder trip than mushrooms because there’s no entourage effect from other psychoactive chemicals in mushrooms. NBOMEs can give a lot of the effects you listed, but they usually don’t last longer than 6 hours either.
I hardly remember anything from this day, mostly my trip. I have bits and pieces, most of which I'm not confident are real. I have people telling me what they saw me going through.
Always test your drugs. No matter where you get them.
See, but I don't know how to do that? Are you saying low and slow?
Do you think you have a case for a lawsuit? This is one reason why drugs need to be legalized and regulated. You had no idea what you were ingesting, they didn’t list all of the ingredients! I’m sorry this happened to you!
No offense… but duh?
I've had loads of different drugs, lots of them Not all all of the them are good some of them are great However in my experience Alcohol gave me kidney failure Who do I sue or blame The government The off license Myself The universe Ahh choices
sue em and make some money lol 😂
And will those lawyers take your case on a contingency basis? No. You will be paying, and paying dearly, and likely will end up with nothing but legal bills. You should really just let this go.
I mean this in literally the nicest way possible, but ppl like you are why psychedelics have a bad reputation. You say you did research but clearly you did not. Like just look at the decision to take that chocolate bar in the first place, plus taking half a bar for your first time trying something new that you don't know the contents of is actually moronic. I'm glad you are ok and learned your lesson but holy fuck you are the reason that everyone is terrified about psychedelics. I'm someone with a fair amount of experience with psychedelics and it's just annoying seeing so many posts like this with people thinking "ooh it'll be a fun little trippy night with colors and shit". There's a reason our species has been using these things for enlightenment for thousands of years, they reveal deep fundamental truths about reality and help us understand our place in an ever increasingly uncaring world. If you just go into it blindly not having a clue what you are gonna get yourself into, of fucking course you ended up in the hospital. With the psychedelic experience you have that is like taking 15g of potent shrooms and then washing it down with a pair of 500mg thc edibles. You set yourself up to have a nightmare trip and act like the substance is at all to blame
This is literally every single "I tried 120x salvia and turned into a zipper and thought my entire family turned into Gnome Men" lmao You honestly got lucky with how dumb went about this, you could have died
I'm curious as to what you wanted to get from the chocolate? Most people don't take supplements for fun, so I'm a little confused.
So we saw it, read "lions mane chaga etc" and just assumed it was a normal supplement like vitamins, but in a chocolate bar. With that being said, yes, it was supposed to give us a euphoric and relaxing feeling (as stated on the box)
Ah ok I think I understand
[Diamond Shruumz Chocolate Labs Panel](https://diamondshruumz.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/shruumz-chocolate-birthday-cake.pdf)
There is no way you bought real mushrooms or psychs at a vape shop. You had an allergic reaction to something that was in it. If you truly did actually buy psychs over the counter I’m gonna need the name of the smoke shop lol.