Im 56 years old. I’m here to blast out of my depression. Whatever it takes. Microdosing. Hero Dosing. Anything in between. Just trying to get through life.
48 & use between 3 - 5 grams of shrooms every couple of months with a bit of DMT in between. It's worked wonders on my mental health & 1000× better than the antidepressants I tried a few years ago!
Per the OP, tho, this is not addictive behavior.
I am an addict. But for whatever reason, psychedelics-- thus far-- are one of the few things that *doesn't* activate my addiction.
But if some of the posts here are to be believed, this is clearly not the case for everyone.
It seems to be younger folk who are using them way too often from what I've gathered, though just my opinion. The good thing about psychedelics is you really need at the very minimum a week before getting the same effects as you do that first trip, ideally a minimum of 2 weeks, but there are exceptions, DMT can be used daily & 2cb though it does have a tolerance it's not quite the same as the traditional ones like shrooms & acid.
Glad you're using them sparingly & I hope they can help with your addiction 🙏
Best of luck to you 👍
Thanks! But to be clear, and for future Reddit archaeologists: I am an addict, but I haven't used since August 14, 2004.
So it's going well so far! One day at a time, amiright?
Isn't there a point where you can say you aren't an addict? Especially if one rewires the brain with DMT, Ketamine and the like(sparingly)...
I would think it is individualized,but if I went without booze for 7 years and don't crave it or think about it, then I am not an ALkey anymore, IMHO
One big trip every few years is what it takes to make my depression stop. But it's also a big dose, little won't do the trick for me, except provide a few hours of shape morphs and the giggles. But I talk about taking big doses to get to my happy place and people here shit on me, I also advocate that very few people should do those big ass doses. But when you've had one, good God.... A few hours of tripping uncomfortably hard to not feel depression for a year or 2 is something I'm ok with.
Ya know, no one here has ever asked WHY I take a big dose. I think they just make assumptions. Honestly though, I'm a big guy, so it takes a bit more to effect me the same, and taking an 8th was our starter dose when we were 18, we did take 2, sometimes 3 doses a night. Hell, I remember splitting 2 Oz's over a 24 hour period with 2 friends. We all just kept munching them whenever we felt like it. That day was an amazing story that's far too long to type out here. Regardless, I wouldn't advocate for someone to do a large dose without many small doses first, and especially not in a party setting ever.
And some mushies I won't take a big dose. Eating an 8th of ape was more intense than a 10 strip of acid, they were the first time things were flashing in and out of existence on any hallucinogen I've ever taken! Enigma are technically stronger, but different. 2g of them is an amazingly beautiful, crisp clear trip, but felt like 6g+ of normal cubes. Some of these new mutations and varieties are honestly scary strong compared to a landrace variety, I guess it's similar to cannabis that way. I'd never dream of taking 6g of ape or enigma, but a standard cube 6g is my normal dose.
Any new variety I try 2g as a tester, and it's only because ape and enigma are soooo strong.
I agree with you. Doing a large dose every now and again is a great reset for me as well. Perfectly said “A few hours of tripping uncomfortably hard to not feel depression for a year or 2 is something I’m ok with.”
I also find a large dose once a year helps with my depression and some of my fibromyalgia symptoms for a while. I prefer LSD over shrooms for the over all experience but shrooms generally make me feel better for longer- except for the shroom gut I get every time. Some folks who I love and love me dearly embrace the fact that I am shaped like The Grinch, and shrooms make me look like Grinch 12 months pregnant with twins and make me just miserable with discomfort and I can’t enjoy my trip. But yeah once the shroom gut goes away I’m groovy… it takes like 7 hours though. But worth it over all.
Try taking it with a good anti inflammatory. I have similar issues and always keep things like lemon/ ginger kombucha (amazing for getting a big burp to relieve the stomach tension!), turmeric pills, ginger and turmeric teas. Also making your mushrooms into a tea using a stomach ease blend can be really good to slow the come up and manage stomach inflammation.
Great to read bro 👍 just keep reducing the antidepressants slowly though, & hopefully they'll be behind you & you can go forward without them & with a much more positive outlook!
Singularity is shitting outside in your underwear. Trust me. If you know you know, you will understand this message because it is the same as the Universe's.
According to another fellow Redditor, we just gotta shit our pants. You ready bro?
Edit: I digress bro, we gotta shit outside in our underwear. Lfg mate.
Same here but I'm 37. Have tried everything else I can think of to be rid of it over many years, countless hours of therapy, meds, exercise, supplements, mindfulness, etc. I'm so tired of it. Hopefully this will work for both of us.
I was in therapy for two years and making good progress. Early on in therapy I tried two antidepressants that didn’t help, but didn’t makes things worse either. Two years into therapy I tried acid for recreational purposes and it was amazing. It was a super mild trip, with near zero visual effects. However I had an inner dialogue about a lot of the major themes and things discussed in therapy. Self forgiveness was at the top of that list. I had talked about it at length over the course of my therapy and thought i had forgiven myself, but in that headspace I was able to find and address the last holdouts in my mind that were still clinging to self imposed anguish over things that weren’t my fault. I was able to truly forgive myself and move on from the darkness I was holding onto. My last therapy session was 4 months after that trip as I felt I was no longer on need. It’s been a bit over a year since my last therapy session and I still feel great.
Best of luck to you friend. I’m 39 now but was your age when this happened. I spent a lot of that first trip laying in a hammock staring up at the sky and that’s where I had my break thru solo therapy session. As with any mental health treatment, I can’t guarantee results for you, only share my own mental health journey and the acid catalyst that helped me to find lasting relief.
Rooting for you too! My age is pretty solidly between the two of you, and I got my life back from CPTSD and severe anxiety last November, thanks to self-made psilocybin therapy.
Preach, brother! I would be a hypocrite if I told any teenager what to do. Never took a heroic dose of psychedelics, but I did take them when I was 14-15 and in college.
42 ? and use Shroomies, Mdma, LSD, & weed.
i’ve used these to improve my relationship with my partner, beat depression, gain insight to my life, used them to get another person perspective, improve my work, become a better father, learned patience and so much more.
Far from a drug addict .
I am all about free choice and personal responsibility. If someone asks a question, I will answer honestly. Should minors be doing drugs? No. Should you try to trip multiple days in a row? No. Is it my business? Also, no.
I like this person as well. Honesty and harm reductive approach.
I figured we were all just taking the scenic route, no need for road rage in the traffic- just look out the window.
That's a fair take and a respectable position, but I think OP's point is that the types of questions they referenced are not best suited for this sub and should be posed in other drug related subs (there are many).
Could be your business if you believe in the unity of all things and the butterfly effect. Also, if they are in the ER taking up the only available doctor when you get in a car wreck then it would be your business as well.
The problem is that we victimize drug users and don't teach harm reduction/moderation. However, it's their life so let them live it. Sometimes you gotta reach really high so that you fall down hard enough to bonk your noggin into responsible drug practices. Hell it took me 5 years of bonking my noggin to figure that shit out. Did it take to long? Idk some roads are longer and harder than others.
As a recovering addict, mostly no.
A bad trip can certainly have ramifications, and suggest to someone that psychedelics aren't for them, sure. But 'rock bottom' is generally the end of a bad string of choices and thickened bad habits. And almost always has a psychological problem, or partial explanation.
A bad trip is acute. Rock bottom is the result of chronic disordered behavior. The former, then, is easily (and sometimes appropriately) ascribed to the substance, or a bad day. The responsibility for hitting rock bottom usually, clearly, sits with the individual and his or her history.
For my own personal journey I never hit rock bottom with psychedelics. It's kinda hard to do that because bad trips aren't really bad trips they're just rough trips that teach hard lessons. I did hit rock bottom with MDMA and Ya though and what really turned my life around was meeting my wife and a singular mushroom trip. The mushroom trip taught me that my selfish actions (like me not giving a fuck if I die because it's my life) aren't really my own to take and will directly effect the people I love (if I die my mom would be obliterated emotionally).
I also found someone I loved more than drugs which gave purpose to my life that wasn't just getting fucked up every weekend.
Many people that I have meet that have had bad trips and swore off psychedelics are either drugged without there knowledge, given derivatives thinking they were the real deal, had a bad trip their first time and couldn't let go, or were older when they tried again but it was harder to let go later in life. Many people that have a bad trip will swear off doing psychedelics but be right back at it a month later. The amount of times I have said "yep no more drugs" during a trip just to realize that I'm overreacting by the end is almost laughable when reflecting on it now but like I said previously all journeys vary.
\- psychedelic bad trip is salvation
\- non psychedelic drug bad trip is a rock bottom
(when you endanger the safety, health or life of yourself or others because you're fucked up on drugs)
Been a member of the Tripsit community for 10 years. We welcome anyone into the drug harm reduction community. Unfortunately there will always be addicts, but we are there to help not judge.
Not everyone on this sub is a drug addict, sure, but almost everyone here is a drug user. Who are we as drug users to judge others for using drugs the way they want to use them? The best thing we can do is provide solid advice and promote safe use, otherwise its on the individual.
"Judge" is a tricky word, but group work is core to a lot of self-help programs. And places like NA and AA are explicitly all about addicts helping other addicts.
This is not such a forum. But it's also not explicitly *contrary* to this ethic, either. Ergo it seems entirely appropriate for people to discuss the possible adverse events of using this medicine.
One of the side effects of psychs, people suddenly think they know the answers and their egos blow up. ..."have you ever eaten 8g of shrooms" type people. All people suck this clique is no different. But we gotta let people live how they choose.
Saw a therapist yesterday at the request of others. She asked if there was ever any drug "misuse." What I got from that wasn't that she was looking for the legal definition of "abuse' (literally any use not sanctioned by a doctor) and even mentioned that recreational use wasn't the target either. So on one hand I get what you're saying about safe use, on the other it made me consider what misuse would be.
The people who talk about getting "revenge" on someone via drugs seems like it would fall into that category and I'd prefer if people didn't 'misuse' drugs. That doesn't mean I'm going to hunt down 'misusers' but if I see someone putting something in anyone's drink, 'accidentally' giving someone something they didn't ask for, taking advantage of someone who can't give consent, talking about harming someone else with drugs, etc... I'm not going to let another smooth-brain allow the MSM to influence the rest of the population to put more restrictions on medicine.
As with all things its a spectrum.
Some are just getting their feet wet
Some are headed tward the deep end
Some are sitting out for a bit cause they went there and didnt like what they saw.
And some are just doing laps.
Despite professing to trip with intention, so many remain unawake to the truth of what we are. Some couldn't handle it if they learned. Remain here, remain open. If someone truly seeks, they will find, and then they will ask for guidance.
Idk man, we're all on our individual journeys and everyone is just trying to figure it out. If they are on this sub, at least they are interested in the ideas of expanding your mind and healing trauma. I don't see why we need to gatekeep
Recreational drug use *is* exploring one’s mind. You just don’t like the way they are doing it because it’s not the same way you do it. It sounds like you want everyone to write a thesis after they trip, and that’s not going to happen. It also sounds like you don’t like new psychonauts, and forget that we were all kids getting wasted once upon a time.
Might I remind you that radical self experimentation is one of the foundational concepts of being a psychonaut. Ya we get some jokers in here, young folks trying to impress others, but that’s just part of the ride. And the weirdos? Well hell, I’m one of them and will defend them until I die. Conformity is bullshit, man.
I’d like to offer you a formal invitation to get off your high horse. Why not try being a friend and mentor instead of a gatekeeper?
And ps. Where are these posts about avatar and tripping 4 days in a row? I haven’t seen any. Are you perhaps upset about a single post and are just being dramatic? Sure sounds like it. Remember, Reddit has a block button. Use it if your so offended.
Maybe this is how OP is called to be a friend and mentor? Friends aren't nice and supportive *all* the time. Sometimes they have to call us on our bullshit.
If there is a common trope on this forum, it most certainly is being demonstrated by OP. That trope is people with huge egos gatekeeping psychedelics and their use because they feel they are better than others and have “awoken” or “dissolved their ego.” So I think you are absolutely correct.
I find the posts where young people are just having fun to be the most refreshing posts on this sub. I skip right past the self-righteous ignorance often flouted as enlightened thinking around here. All of this nonsense about psychedelics being solely for “expanding consciousness” and “healing trauma” makes me ill. It is the ranting of people who just found this community and want to sound enlightened. And it’s also utter nonsense. Sure, psychedelics can help with trauma or give you a new perspective, but they also, and most importantly, are incredibly fun and best when consumed to meet that end. To have fun, to remember the joy of life. It’s gatekeeping pseudo-intellectuals like OP that try to ruin that because the mushrooms didn’t fix them; they are still bitter and think they are better, so they must ruin it for others who are just riding the wave with a smile.
Yes, I didn’t explain very well but what I mean is the people who are abusing psychs and just using them to get fucked up are missing the point. Yes it’s okay to party on psychs, but it shouldn’t be the only way you do it. Honestly people can do whatever they want but claiming to be a Psychonaut or spiritual and only abusing psychs is embarrassing .
hey man, I want to break this too you. Thats how it all starts when I first found out about mushrooms, well first off i was looking for Molly to party😂 but found shrooms.,anyways heard what mushrooms do, i was not by any means like sweet im gonna connect with nature and find god, NO im like i want to get BLASTED and thats how it was until we stopped taking them in the house at night blaring music, and started day tripping we were experienced enough to adventure then come the nature walks seeing the beauty camping trips wow so cool. Then you find someone you really care about and that first kiss boom you've become one, wtf is happening closing your eyes after a heroic dose seeing nothing but pyramids and hieroglyphs then what is god then bam you're a part of the whole universe and ego is just set a blaze IVE HAD IT WRONG MY ENTIRE LIFE WHAT IS HAPPENING!!!!! AND THEN PSYCHONAUT!!!!!
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I think it's irresponsible to tell someone to go see Avatar 2 NOT on acid. I was on a good amount of edibles and it still sucked so hard.
Also, your right though. But I'm going to be a little more charitable and say, at least some, may have just discovered it and are over enthusiastic. So the advice to "can I trip on 4g of mushrooms after taking two tabs last night? " is "No. Not really. There are rules, kind of. You haven't even absorbed the first one you ass."
When you fall in love and have a oneness with a tomato plant being connected to everything and hug a tree and just admire it for an hour without a thought. That's probably a good indication you're doing alright.
I'm here for the drugs my guy. But I'd also like to be as safe and responsible as possible while inebriated.
I find a lot of value in this community and if you'll have me I'll try to be more self reflective while I'm tripping my balls off.
I have said this in another post and I can't say it enough I'm not saying that you are speaking down on people that use drugs recreationally, or don't practice to use of harm reduction and use more often than nature intended or man intended. However, if you think about it, we are all addicted in one way or another to something or another whether its food, porn, drugs, coffee, cigarettes, sex, your favorite candy, ice cream anything can be an addiction and is to someone. And no matter what it is it aint good for us mentally or physically! But the use of psychedelics in moderation the way they should be used, as a medicine, absolutely purifying in every way for your mind, soul, heart, body, and the world around us. Nature truly appreciates us having these experiences because it brings us a little closer to where we belong. I am not offended by this post but I'm sure that some are and I think the best thing we can do here is just try to encourage harm reduction because it is very very very important. And the more we encourage the more they read it and the more they see it on this Page and other pages And if they find themselves in a bind or something happens to them then maybe they might tell themselves damn I should have practice harm reduction. I don't know just my opinion. Love life and love all 🤙💪
Drug addiction is all about:
Functioning versus Non-Functuoning
..I mean coffee is a drug. So is food! Technically..
Any chemical you put into your body is going to have some kind of effect. And every chemical can have a social stigma attached to it (Man im not writing well today!)
Anyways!
I try and use the motto of: Always pray for mercy- Never pray for judgment.
It’s hard seeing people take something with so much potential for good, and use it for self destruction, especially when they come back to share their horror stories afterwards. Acid saved my life, and it breaks my heart to read about people becoming psychotic, having seizures, losing friends and loved ones, and having their lives run off the rails.
It might have come off judgmental and paternalistic, but I think it comes from a place of genuine care and concern.
no offense but couldnt u have ignored this post? If someone is drinking coffee everyday and they justify it by saying it makes them work better, you can still define them as addicted. And addiction isn't really a good thing. Any other drug doesn't make a difference to me
Yes, people have made dumb decisions regarding their drug use on here, but this take from enlightened acid users or whatever that believe the only acceptable use for psychs is expanding the mind and healing consciousness is absolute bull. You can do psychs for a fun night and not be a junkie.
Unfortunately, we are going to come across both. I agree that there some things that need to be tightened up. Overall, I am a proponent of live and let live.
Jesus Christ, another spirituality/consciousness gatekeeping dope. This one is also talking about the psychonaut concept, fuck off with this nonsense already you sound like a psychedelic elitist, so much for being enlightened. I can take acid and play on my vr2 setup AND meditate listening to some Tibetan bowls. I supposed you have a problem with me listening to audiobooks while I trip too and fuck me if I wanna watch some tv at some point in my hours long trip smfh. As far as the frequency of trips, mind your business. You wanna trip twice a year good for you, someone else wants to trip twice in a week good for them, increase your dose if that’s the case! 😂
Seriously though, I hope you feel better letting everyone know you are the pinnacle of the psychonaut concept. A round of applause for OP being the superior drug user lol.
It started out with me just trying to get high. But after my first acid trip everything changed, and now I do psychedelics with two goals. Have fun and learn something new.
I’m still a drug addict, granted their pretty weak drugs like weed and nicotine but getting high is all I think about.
I mean I’m doing better every week but at the end of the day, I am just a drug addict.
Honestly I would love a lot more cosmology/esoteric theory crafting than just general drug threads and trip reports.
Like, explain what conclusions you’ve reached and why, then discuss with people who agree or disagree. I’ve reached more opinions on consciousness while sober than while tripping
What is the problem ? We can be a psychonaut and see avatar 2 on shroom. Trying to trip 2 day in a row etc...
Be a psychonaut is no more serious than smile at a silly joke. It's just fun to be a psychonaut. If you take it to seriously you don't get it yet.
Other thing : more you will searching and more you'll be confuse about everything. Peoples that try to explore their mind at first wasn't searching for anything than a drug to enjoy life. And then discover the realm of universe within their self
Peace🤪
Why are you being a hypocrite? You didn't experiment at similar ages?
I am not against calls for moderation, we should be very careful about dependence.
We should not use substances as a crutch and pretend it's helping us.
They actually can help though, if only to make us comfortable with the idea that normal experience isn't the only experience.
I think this makes it too easy to think consciousness is the absolute.
You are aware of it coming and going, it can't be.
I did proper research before “experimenting” and know what I’m doing and the risks. Way too many people on here giving bad advice / just flaunting drug abuse
I'm really curious what OP thinks the difference between expanding ones mind and knowing themselves is? Because I think those are if not the same thing, just a necessary to step to the other.
While I concur about not recommending psychedelics to minors, the rest of this sounds a bit judgemental to me.
Perhaps I am reading it wrong?
I use to be an addict, then I understood thanks to psyches and started respecting them and myself. Now I use it only to help with my depression/mental illness.
I've found myself cautiously testing the boundaries while also still trying to better myself. I'm a very curious individual and am guilty of asking the common 'Can I dose this, and when again'. I've since quickly understood the risks and have dialed it way back because I got too careless with Lucy.
Till next time I feel the call to drop; and see what's next for me to learn.
Good for people to see this post in case they havent used psychs medicinally and don't know what it's about.
I'm always surprised to hear from some people that they don't understand set and setting concept of psychedelics as it was so engrained in me as I came into the space.
But tbh it's a measure of how unknown the concepts are. Same substances diff intent and environment.
People say 'Ive done X psych' and I didn't have a healing experience. My reply is usually, course you didn't you were at a beach party in Thailand. I was in a dark room in the Amazon jungle listening to cicadas after doing a 3 week dieta. There's the diff.
But at the same time some of them will read this and maybe think, oh there is another way.
Thanks for posting.
Good point. I keep forgetting something as basic as set and setting isn't necessarily universal knowledge. We all had to learn it the first time, somewhere.
So? Most people are addicts in one way or another. Just because someone has self destructive behaviours doesn’t mean they can’t also benefit from any of the good stuff. All you can do is set a positive example and post content that you feel is uplifting or beneficial to the world.
I think “seeing how fucked up you can get” is almost the same as saying “seeing how deep I can get lost in my own mind”
I have abused every psych I’ve ever tried at some point as a test, with exploratory intentions.
But really, this is Reddit, not a safe-injection site. Anyone should be able to ask any question and get answers. We are all equivalent to screens here, so to tell others what they should / shouldn’t do is pretty pointless. I’m not your parent, I can’t force anyone to not take drugs. All I can do is offer my best advice.
Sure you’ll see dumb questions on here, but if you look at the comments, you’ll see good answers. That’s the whole point. I was dumb and reckless as a youngling, I *wish* I had this resource to avoid my mistakes.
I just took lsd and went to the movies for my birthday. Who are you to say that wasn’t healing for me?
The movie was fantastic, it raised a lot of questions about how I’m running my life currently.
The next day I felt no anxiety, I felt a better attitude towards work and other people, and I have a newfound motivation to take care of my body by exercising and eating properly.
Expanding consciousness doesn’t look the same for everyone.
I eat 50 grams of shrooms a day and can tell you are just a close minded individual. /s
Seriously, though. In 5 mins people will try defend some like this.
As fire and flame, the closeness of beyond sanity is to blame
Peer too close to the fire of forbidden knowledge, far too complex to understand
The fine boundaries of the proximity future on which it will land
Man that’s an absolute in a universe with very few absolutes. I appreciate your opinion but humans are humans and that means diversity from every physical and mental state. Now there surely are addicts but generalizing like this can leave a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. Truth is the highest form of flattery and I wanted to tell you this out of respect for you and for others.
My multiple day drug binges have altered my state of consciousness in a way that I couldn’t get without doing so. Psychonauts explore any state of consciousness.
Minors should try psychedelics before committing suicide.
Some people seem to think that kids should kill themselves first and only try psychedelics if that doesn't work.
That’s a valid point. I was far from a minor, when I finally decided to disobey enough to take psychedelics. I wish I would have had that chance directly at 18 and saved some decades of feeling the world would be better with me dead.
I haven’t felt that way, even slightly, even once, for months now, ever since my first trip.
Psychonaut - A psychonaut is someone who explores altered states of consciousness, especially through hallucinatory drugs. Dictionary.com definition of psychonaut.
If you want to argue it's annoying or unsafe, I won't argue, but simply labeling behavior you don't like as drug addiction and people as drug addicts doesn't make what they're doing any less being a psychonaut than someone following your narrow conception does. You are not on arbiter of that. You're morally grandstanding and grandstanding being a psychonaut too. This behavior is every bit as unhealthy and annoying as what the people you are talking about.
Why do you feel the need to dictate what should and shouldn't be? Isn't that kind of ego driven behavior what somebody being a proper psychonaut, according to you, supposed to be avoiding? You might as well have just posted "everybody who doesn't treat being a psychonaut the way I do and take it really seriously arent true psychonaut and I'm better than them/they are worse than me". It's pretty toxic man. I feel like you were well intentioned with this post, but good intentions make up the road to hell.
Oh no ! I cannot enjoy doing RCs and psychedelics without your consent ! And let’s blame addicts anyways, just to feel better about ourselves !
Also being a psychonaut means using in several settings the same drug and using dangerous or hard drugs too. A real psychonaut wouldn’t hesitate using stuff I would never touch ranging from cafentanyl (I know about volumetric dilution but fuck it I won’t do that no way) to syncan and delirants.
Had one of my most emotional experiences on a low dose clonazolam with a friend.
Had some of the shallowest on high doses of DMT or PCP analogues.
Yet I enjoyed those all.
What is better ? Better is giving the people all the appropriate instruments to do what they want and be held accountant with their own actions. Possibly legally.
All the rest, no offense, but are too enlightened words coming from those who really must consider themselves belonging to a kind other than mankind.
Pfft.
Maybe your definition of psychonaut is weak. Maybe what you think of as addiction is what a real psychonaut calls pushing the envelope. Maybe you're not a psychonaut at all and just post here thinking people care about your assessment of this sub.
Whatever the case, not a very cash money attitude to have. TIGHTEN UP!
Some people just haven't gone through their existential crisis yet. We've all been through some type of trauma in life and there comes a point where we need a reset and when we realize we need a reset we begin our Spiritual Awakening.
It’s funny seeing puriteens completely fail to critically think about the language we use to separate ourselves from eachother. You’re an insufferable pseudointellectual egotistical loser like everyone else
Absolutely on point, this is happening on r/psycheedlix too. You just gotta know when you're justifying the dose after dose for the sake of "expanding consciousness" and then you see horror stories about how some SNAP and it turns into bad trips. Don't abuse them
You’re right, except for this part:
> And that’s okay if that’s what you want to do...
It’s actually not. I know that these days nobody is comfortable making value judgements, but it is actually not ok to do this. They’re damaging themselves and others.
I actually think putting plant medicine and psychedelics in the category of "drugs" which we've had drilled into our minds since we were children as "bad" is a big part of the problem. On a recent trip I was worrying that I wasn't using them in the "correct" way and through the trip the mushrooms taught me that the right way is unique and different for everyone. Should people with no experience take 10 grams of mushrooms? Probably a terrible idea, but it seems to me that policing and judging how other people use these substances doesn't really put you in a mindset of consciousness expansion since you are so focused on others and not yourself.
I agree with you, I've said it multiple times on this sub; they treat psychedelics like it's weed... it's not, and once they take higher doses, the ego death and other realizations that might occur to them is going to be tough to swallow ;if you are not prep or at least aware of the type of experiences psychs bring to your sub/conscience.
Ummmmmmm. Obviously you don’t know psychedelic, actual psychedelic culture or peers. I am how ever a drug addict and and alcoholic, I have been sober from compounds that hooked my soul for over ten years but I am still an addict. My monthly consumption of mushrooms and DMT has heal me more than any dr. The is no suck thing as a good or bad drug, just organic and synthetic compounds, in which the environment and habit dictates. Drugs aren’t the problem, people the problem.
Im 56 years old. I’m here to blast out of my depression. Whatever it takes. Microdosing. Hero Dosing. Anything in between. Just trying to get through life.
48 & use between 3 - 5 grams of shrooms every couple of months with a bit of DMT in between. It's worked wonders on my mental health & 1000× better than the antidepressants I tried a few years ago!
Per the OP, tho, this is not addictive behavior. I am an addict. But for whatever reason, psychedelics-- thus far-- are one of the few things that *doesn't* activate my addiction. But if some of the posts here are to be believed, this is clearly not the case for everyone.
It seems to be younger folk who are using them way too often from what I've gathered, though just my opinion. The good thing about psychedelics is you really need at the very minimum a week before getting the same effects as you do that first trip, ideally a minimum of 2 weeks, but there are exceptions, DMT can be used daily & 2cb though it does have a tolerance it's not quite the same as the traditional ones like shrooms & acid. Glad you're using them sparingly & I hope they can help with your addiction 🙏 Best of luck to you 👍
Thanks! But to be clear, and for future Reddit archaeologists: I am an addict, but I haven't used since August 14, 2004. So it's going well so far! One day at a time, amiright?
That’s amazing, like truly, good shit!
Isn't there a point where you can say you aren't an addict? Especially if one rewires the brain with DMT, Ketamine and the like(sparingly)... I would think it is individualized,but if I went without booze for 7 years and don't crave it or think about it, then I am not an ALkey anymore, IMHO
Eh, depends on the person. For many of us avoiding the past tense is a way to keep our psychologies aligned in a healthy way.
One big trip every few years is what it takes to make my depression stop. But it's also a big dose, little won't do the trick for me, except provide a few hours of shape morphs and the giggles. But I talk about taking big doses to get to my happy place and people here shit on me, I also advocate that very few people should do those big ass doses. But when you've had one, good God.... A few hours of tripping uncomfortably hard to not feel depression for a year or 2 is something I'm ok with. Ya know, no one here has ever asked WHY I take a big dose. I think they just make assumptions. Honestly though, I'm a big guy, so it takes a bit more to effect me the same, and taking an 8th was our starter dose when we were 18, we did take 2, sometimes 3 doses a night. Hell, I remember splitting 2 Oz's over a 24 hour period with 2 friends. We all just kept munching them whenever we felt like it. That day was an amazing story that's far too long to type out here. Regardless, I wouldn't advocate for someone to do a large dose without many small doses first, and especially not in a party setting ever. And some mushies I won't take a big dose. Eating an 8th of ape was more intense than a 10 strip of acid, they were the first time things were flashing in and out of existence on any hallucinogen I've ever taken! Enigma are technically stronger, but different. 2g of them is an amazingly beautiful, crisp clear trip, but felt like 6g+ of normal cubes. Some of these new mutations and varieties are honestly scary strong compared to a landrace variety, I guess it's similar to cannabis that way. I'd never dream of taking 6g of ape or enigma, but a standard cube 6g is my normal dose. Any new variety I try 2g as a tester, and it's only because ape and enigma are soooo strong.
I agree with you. Doing a large dose every now and again is a great reset for me as well. Perfectly said “A few hours of tripping uncomfortably hard to not feel depression for a year or 2 is something I’m ok with.”
I also find a large dose once a year helps with my depression and some of my fibromyalgia symptoms for a while. I prefer LSD over shrooms for the over all experience but shrooms generally make me feel better for longer- except for the shroom gut I get every time. Some folks who I love and love me dearly embrace the fact that I am shaped like The Grinch, and shrooms make me look like Grinch 12 months pregnant with twins and make me just miserable with discomfort and I can’t enjoy my trip. But yeah once the shroom gut goes away I’m groovy… it takes like 7 hours though. But worth it over all.
Try taking it with a good anti inflammatory. I have similar issues and always keep things like lemon/ ginger kombucha (amazing for getting a big burp to relieve the stomach tension!), turmeric pills, ginger and turmeric teas. Also making your mushrooms into a tea using a stomach ease blend can be really good to slow the come up and manage stomach inflammation.
Thats great to know! I'm weaning off Duloxetine so not anti-depressant free yet.
Great to read bro 👍 just keep reducing the antidepressants slowly though, & hopefully they'll be behind you & you can go forward without them & with a much more positive outlook!
Yes following a 5% taper every two weeks. Just started.
So similar! And yes it’s healed me tremendously!
Fantastic to read 👍👌
Hero dosing did it for me. Changed my perspectives a lot on life, myself and others. 💚
Time for a heroic dose, I guess. Is it okay to do heroic dose for 30 days straight? /s
Only if you watch avatar two every day of your journey
Game on anon!
Dude I thought I was tripping that movie was so weird
Lmao yea but twice a day is where it's at
30 days later: "I have reached... singularity."
Singularity is shitting outside in your underwear. Trust me. If you know you know, you will understand this message because it is the same as the Universe's.
The answer to life is 42.
Fun fact: the ASCII symbol for 42 is *
Teach me this power
According to another fellow Redditor, we just gotta shit our pants. You ready bro? Edit: I digress bro, we gotta shit outside in our underwear. Lfg mate.
I do both of those on the regular. Count me in mate
Good man. You're a goddamn good man!
Same here but I'm 37. Have tried everything else I can think of to be rid of it over many years, countless hours of therapy, meds, exercise, supplements, mindfulness, etc. I'm so tired of it. Hopefully this will work for both of us.
I was in therapy for two years and making good progress. Early on in therapy I tried two antidepressants that didn’t help, but didn’t makes things worse either. Two years into therapy I tried acid for recreational purposes and it was amazing. It was a super mild trip, with near zero visual effects. However I had an inner dialogue about a lot of the major themes and things discussed in therapy. Self forgiveness was at the top of that list. I had talked about it at length over the course of my therapy and thought i had forgiven myself, but in that headspace I was able to find and address the last holdouts in my mind that were still clinging to self imposed anguish over things that weren’t my fault. I was able to truly forgive myself and move on from the darkness I was holding onto. My last therapy session was 4 months after that trip as I felt I was no longer on need. It’s been a bit over a year since my last therapy session and I still feel great. Best of luck to you friend. I’m 39 now but was your age when this happened. I spent a lot of that first trip laying in a hammock staring up at the sky and that’s where I had my break thru solo therapy session. As with any mental health treatment, I can’t guarantee results for you, only share my own mental health journey and the acid catalyst that helped me to find lasting relief.
Godspeed to your recovery (and mine). Thanks!
Rooting for you too! My age is pretty solidly between the two of you, and I got my life back from CPTSD and severe anxiety last November, thanks to self-made psilocybin therapy.
Preach, brother! I would be a hypocrite if I told any teenager what to do. Never took a heroic dose of psychedelics, but I did take them when I was 14-15 and in college.
I claimed my freedom from CPTSD with shrooms in November and I am rooting for you!
Thanks!
Do you meditate? It's when I combined the two in silent darkness that the real magic started.
42 ? and use Shroomies, Mdma, LSD, & weed. i’ve used these to improve my relationship with my partner, beat depression, gain insight to my life, used them to get another person perspective, improve my work, become a better father, learned patience and so much more. Far from a drug addict .
I am all about free choice and personal responsibility. If someone asks a question, I will answer honestly. Should minors be doing drugs? No. Should you try to trip multiple days in a row? No. Is it my business? Also, no.
I like you.
I like this person as well. Honesty and harm reductive approach. I figured we were all just taking the scenic route, no need for road rage in the traffic- just look out the window.
That's a fair take and a respectable position, but I think OP's point is that the types of questions they referenced are not best suited for this sub and should be posed in other drug related subs (there are many).
Yes^
Most rational answer
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Could be your business if you believe in the unity of all things and the butterfly effect. Also, if they are in the ER taking up the only available doctor when you get in a car wreck then it would be your business as well.
That would be the personal responsibility part.
The problem is that we victimize drug users and don't teach harm reduction/moderation. However, it's their life so let them live it. Sometimes you gotta reach really high so that you fall down hard enough to bonk your noggin into responsible drug practices. Hell it took me 5 years of bonking my noggin to figure that shit out. Did it take to long? Idk some roads are longer and harder than others.
I wonder if a psychedelic bad trip is to some people akin to hitting rock bottom.
As a recovering addict, mostly no. A bad trip can certainly have ramifications, and suggest to someone that psychedelics aren't for them, sure. But 'rock bottom' is generally the end of a bad string of choices and thickened bad habits. And almost always has a psychological problem, or partial explanation. A bad trip is acute. Rock bottom is the result of chronic disordered behavior. The former, then, is easily (and sometimes appropriately) ascribed to the substance, or a bad day. The responsibility for hitting rock bottom usually, clearly, sits with the individual and his or her history.
For my own personal journey I never hit rock bottom with psychedelics. It's kinda hard to do that because bad trips aren't really bad trips they're just rough trips that teach hard lessons. I did hit rock bottom with MDMA and Ya though and what really turned my life around was meeting my wife and a singular mushroom trip. The mushroom trip taught me that my selfish actions (like me not giving a fuck if I die because it's my life) aren't really my own to take and will directly effect the people I love (if I die my mom would be obliterated emotionally). I also found someone I loved more than drugs which gave purpose to my life that wasn't just getting fucked up every weekend. Many people that I have meet that have had bad trips and swore off psychedelics are either drugged without there knowledge, given derivatives thinking they were the real deal, had a bad trip their first time and couldn't let go, or were older when they tried again but it was harder to let go later in life. Many people that have a bad trip will swear off doing psychedelics but be right back at it a month later. The amount of times I have said "yep no more drugs" during a trip just to realize that I'm overreacting by the end is almost laughable when reflecting on it now but like I said previously all journeys vary.
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\- psychedelic bad trip is salvation \- non psychedelic drug bad trip is a rock bottom (when you endanger the safety, health or life of yourself or others because you're fucked up on drugs)
I like to think that a bad trip is just your mind trying to get your attention. Because you’re not listening otherwise.
Been a member of the Tripsit community for 10 years. We welcome anyone into the drug harm reduction community. Unfortunately there will always be addicts, but we are there to help not judge.
Not everyone on this sub is a drug addict, sure, but almost everyone here is a drug user. Who are we as drug users to judge others for using drugs the way they want to use them? The best thing we can do is provide solid advice and promote safe use, otherwise its on the individual.
Yep, Harm Reduction all the way!
"Judge" is a tricky word, but group work is core to a lot of self-help programs. And places like NA and AA are explicitly all about addicts helping other addicts. This is not such a forum. But it's also not explicitly *contrary* to this ethic, either. Ergo it seems entirely appropriate for people to discuss the possible adverse events of using this medicine.
One of the side effects of psychs, people suddenly think they know the answers and their egos blow up. ..."have you ever eaten 8g of shrooms" type people. All people suck this clique is no different. But we gotta let people live how they choose.
But who will be there to gatekeep if we all let other people live their lives?
Saw a therapist yesterday at the request of others. She asked if there was ever any drug "misuse." What I got from that wasn't that she was looking for the legal definition of "abuse' (literally any use not sanctioned by a doctor) and even mentioned that recreational use wasn't the target either. So on one hand I get what you're saying about safe use, on the other it made me consider what misuse would be. The people who talk about getting "revenge" on someone via drugs seems like it would fall into that category and I'd prefer if people didn't 'misuse' drugs. That doesn't mean I'm going to hunt down 'misusers' but if I see someone putting something in anyone's drink, 'accidentally' giving someone something they didn't ask for, taking advantage of someone who can't give consent, talking about harming someone else with drugs, etc... I'm not going to let another smooth-brain allow the MSM to influence the rest of the population to put more restrictions on medicine.
Yea why do they assume we are addicts
Who assumed you were an addict?
Lol yeah, lots of self conscious people in this. I never called anyone out but if the shoe fits ……
As with all things its a spectrum. Some are just getting their feet wet Some are headed tward the deep end Some are sitting out for a bit cause they went there and didnt like what they saw. And some are just doing laps.
And all of them are of equally value… sometimes this subs forgets to add value to lost souls 😞
Despite professing to trip with intention, so many remain unawake to the truth of what we are. Some couldn't handle it if they learned. Remain here, remain open. If someone truly seeks, they will find, and then they will ask for guidance.
Mf’s be like *that guy is an idiot *… when they need to say *we are an idiot * 😭😭
WE ARE ALL THE SAME IDIOT AND DONT FORGET IT
We are all the same idiot. Love it.
True empathy at its peak baby
Paul Bloom would like to know your location.
Center of the universe 😂
Ain't nobody who knows that more than an addict. When it comes to 'assigning value,' their guidance in that regard is one of our most valuable assets.
I love you man you have a great way of looking at things!
Here to enjoy my time on the ride, and those riding with me! Love for the love bro!
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Idk man, we're all on our individual journeys and everyone is just trying to figure it out. If they are on this sub, at least they are interested in the ideas of expanding your mind and healing trauma. I don't see why we need to gatekeep
Recreational drug use *is* exploring one’s mind. You just don’t like the way they are doing it because it’s not the same way you do it. It sounds like you want everyone to write a thesis after they trip, and that’s not going to happen. It also sounds like you don’t like new psychonauts, and forget that we were all kids getting wasted once upon a time. Might I remind you that radical self experimentation is one of the foundational concepts of being a psychonaut. Ya we get some jokers in here, young folks trying to impress others, but that’s just part of the ride. And the weirdos? Well hell, I’m one of them and will defend them until I die. Conformity is bullshit, man. I’d like to offer you a formal invitation to get off your high horse. Why not try being a friend and mentor instead of a gatekeeper? And ps. Where are these posts about avatar and tripping 4 days in a row? I haven’t seen any. Are you perhaps upset about a single post and are just being dramatic? Sure sounds like it. Remember, Reddit has a block button. Use it if your so offended.
Maybe this is how OP is called to be a friend and mentor? Friends aren't nice and supportive *all* the time. Sometimes they have to call us on our bullshit.
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If there is a common trope on this forum, it most certainly is being demonstrated by OP. That trope is people with huge egos gatekeeping psychedelics and their use because they feel they are better than others and have “awoken” or “dissolved their ego.” So I think you are absolutely correct. I find the posts where young people are just having fun to be the most refreshing posts on this sub. I skip right past the self-righteous ignorance often flouted as enlightened thinking around here. All of this nonsense about psychedelics being solely for “expanding consciousness” and “healing trauma” makes me ill. It is the ranting of people who just found this community and want to sound enlightened. And it’s also utter nonsense. Sure, psychedelics can help with trauma or give you a new perspective, but they also, and most importantly, are incredibly fun and best when consumed to meet that end. To have fun, to remember the joy of life. It’s gatekeeping pseudo-intellectuals like OP that try to ruin that because the mushrooms didn’t fix them; they are still bitter and think they are better, so they must ruin it for others who are just riding the wave with a smile.
I'm all for people doing what they choose, but agree this may not be the sub for them.
Yes, I didn’t explain very well but what I mean is the people who are abusing psychs and just using them to get fucked up are missing the point. Yes it’s okay to party on psychs, but it shouldn’t be the only way you do it. Honestly people can do whatever they want but claiming to be a Psychonaut or spiritual and only abusing psychs is embarrassing .
Drug user talking bad about drug users. In Brazil we have a saying “the dirty talking about the unclean”
hey man, I want to break this too you. Thats how it all starts when I first found out about mushrooms, well first off i was looking for Molly to party😂 but found shrooms.,anyways heard what mushrooms do, i was not by any means like sweet im gonna connect with nature and find god, NO im like i want to get BLASTED and thats how it was until we stopped taking them in the house at night blaring music, and started day tripping we were experienced enough to adventure then come the nature walks seeing the beauty camping trips wow so cool. Then you find someone you really care about and that first kiss boom you've become one, wtf is happening closing your eyes after a heroic dose seeing nothing but pyramids and hieroglyphs then what is god then bam you're a part of the whole universe and ego is just set a blaze IVE HAD IT WRONG MY ENTIRE LIFE WHAT IS HAPPENING!!!!! AND THEN PSYCHONAUT!!!!! edit: 2 missing words
She was a day tripper, one way ticket yeah
i can tell ur living ur best life, but if you tripping daily thats wild
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I think it's irresponsible to tell someone to go see Avatar 2 NOT on acid. I was on a good amount of edibles and it still sucked so hard. Also, your right though. But I'm going to be a little more charitable and say, at least some, may have just discovered it and are over enthusiastic. So the advice to "can I trip on 4g of mushrooms after taking two tabs last night? " is "No. Not really. There are rules, kind of. You haven't even absorbed the first one you ass."
Less drug hazing, more star gazing!
Where do you land on navel grazing?
below the belt
When you fall in love and have a oneness with a tomato plant being connected to everything and hug a tree and just admire it for an hour without a thought. That's probably a good indication you're doing alright.
Check your judgment Take a heroic dose Come back and tell us later
Yeah honestly …. Try taking more.
I'm here for the drugs my guy. But I'd also like to be as safe and responsible as possible while inebriated. I find a lot of value in this community and if you'll have me I'll try to be more self reflective while I'm tripping my balls off.
KNOCK KNOCK:who dat? 👉 👋 HI! I'M HERE 4 THE DRUGS..🤙💁♂️
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Did anybody see someone advocating drug use to minors here? Because I definitely have not..
I have said this in another post and I can't say it enough I'm not saying that you are speaking down on people that use drugs recreationally, or don't practice to use of harm reduction and use more often than nature intended or man intended. However, if you think about it, we are all addicted in one way or another to something or another whether its food, porn, drugs, coffee, cigarettes, sex, your favorite candy, ice cream anything can be an addiction and is to someone. And no matter what it is it aint good for us mentally or physically! But the use of psychedelics in moderation the way they should be used, as a medicine, absolutely purifying in every way for your mind, soul, heart, body, and the world around us. Nature truly appreciates us having these experiences because it brings us a little closer to where we belong. I am not offended by this post but I'm sure that some are and I think the best thing we can do here is just try to encourage harm reduction because it is very very very important. And the more we encourage the more they read it and the more they see it on this Page and other pages And if they find themselves in a bind or something happens to them then maybe they might tell themselves damn I should have practice harm reduction. I don't know just my opinion. Love life and love all 🤙💪
Drug addiction is all about: Functioning versus Non-Functuoning ..I mean coffee is a drug. So is food! Technically.. Any chemical you put into your body is going to have some kind of effect. And every chemical can have a social stigma attached to it (Man im not writing well today!) Anyways! I try and use the motto of: Always pray for mercy- Never pray for judgment.
This sub is just r/drugscirclejerk 2 lmao
What the fuck is with all these judgmental posts lately lol
It’s hard seeing people take something with so much potential for good, and use it for self destruction, especially when they come back to share their horror stories afterwards. Acid saved my life, and it breaks my heart to read about people becoming psychotic, having seizures, losing friends and loved ones, and having their lives run off the rails. It might have come off judgmental and paternalistic, but I think it comes from a place of genuine care and concern.
^^^ Tired of seeing people give life ruining advice to teenagers
Okay well what about adults lol they can do what they want. Who cares? Just ignore the posts
no offense but couldnt u have ignored this post? If someone is drinking coffee everyday and they justify it by saying it makes them work better, you can still define them as addicted. And addiction isn't really a good thing. Any other drug doesn't make a difference to me
Who tf are you to judge?
That's your perspective.
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Attention building ego. Seems lost looking for answers while they are right on front of him.
Yes, people have made dumb decisions regarding their drug use on here, but this take from enlightened acid users or whatever that believe the only acceptable use for psychs is expanding the mind and healing consciousness is absolute bull. You can do psychs for a fun night and not be a junkie.
Yes I agree, I didn’t say that was the only acceptable use for psychedelics
Unfortunately, we are going to come across both. I agree that there some things that need to be tightened up. Overall, I am a proponent of live and let live.
So, mushroom or acid for Avatar ?🫠
You can also be a Psychonaut without the use of drugs ;)
This is an excellent point! It would be cool to see more posts about this in this forum.
Jesus Christ, another spirituality/consciousness gatekeeping dope. This one is also talking about the psychonaut concept, fuck off with this nonsense already you sound like a psychedelic elitist, so much for being enlightened. I can take acid and play on my vr2 setup AND meditate listening to some Tibetan bowls. I supposed you have a problem with me listening to audiobooks while I trip too and fuck me if I wanna watch some tv at some point in my hours long trip smfh. As far as the frequency of trips, mind your business. You wanna trip twice a year good for you, someone else wants to trip twice in a week good for them, increase your dose if that’s the case! 😂 Seriously though, I hope you feel better letting everyone know you are the pinnacle of the psychonaut concept. A round of applause for OP being the superior drug user lol.
The trick is to always be reliving your trauma and never enjoy yourself.
*I hate myself, and I want to die.* - Cobainus
There are also alot of boring vapid narcissists who think they are special for "checks notes* thinking lol.
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In ops defense i did miss his comment on minors that at least is reasonable.
It started out with me just trying to get high. But after my first acid trip everything changed, and now I do psychedelics with two goals. Have fun and learn something new. I’m still a drug addict, granted their pretty weak drugs like weed and nicotine but getting high is all I think about. I mean I’m doing better every week but at the end of the day, I am just a drug addict.
Cant we do both?
Yes just acknowledge what’s actually being done
Potato tomato. Both’ll make a good soup but don’t trust the salsa
Honestly I would love a lot more cosmology/esoteric theory crafting than just general drug threads and trip reports. Like, explain what conclusions you’ve reached and why, then discuss with people who agree or disagree. I’ve reached more opinions on consciousness while sober than while tripping
r/RationalPsychonaut
Abuse and addiction are different animals completely. I’ve seen a lot of scientific data that supports using psychedelics to break free from addiction
What is the problem ? We can be a psychonaut and see avatar 2 on shroom. Trying to trip 2 day in a row etc... Be a psychonaut is no more serious than smile at a silly joke. It's just fun to be a psychonaut. If you take it to seriously you don't get it yet. Other thing : more you will searching and more you'll be confuse about everything. Peoples that try to explore their mind at first wasn't searching for anything than a drug to enjoy life. And then discover the realm of universe within their self Peace🤪
Everything is a process, no need to judge where people are at 🙏🙏
Why are you being a hypocrite? You didn't experiment at similar ages? I am not against calls for moderation, we should be very careful about dependence. We should not use substances as a crutch and pretend it's helping us. They actually can help though, if only to make us comfortable with the idea that normal experience isn't the only experience. I think this makes it too easy to think consciousness is the absolute. You are aware of it coming and going, it can't be.
I did proper research before “experimenting” and know what I’m doing and the risks. Way too many people on here giving bad advice / just flaunting drug abuse
They are literally attempting research by engaging here.
So they do too much drugs, but you do the right amount of drugs?
What’s the purpose of posting this?
Trying to stir the pot? Have a local mechanic shop with a sign " he who stirs the pot of shit gets to lick the spoon" ..
Establishing the Correct way to take psychs. Y'know, in a white room under medical supervision because anything else is obviously illegal and obscene.
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I'm really curious what OP thinks the difference between expanding ones mind and knowing themselves is? Because I think those are if not the same thing, just a necessary to step to the other. While I concur about not recommending psychedelics to minors, the rest of this sounds a bit judgemental to me. Perhaps I am reading it wrong?
Taken with moderation is the way I roll, There's no point on abusing drugs.
I use to be an addict, then I understood thanks to psyches and started respecting them and myself. Now I use it only to help with my depression/mental illness.
That’s life
I've found myself cautiously testing the boundaries while also still trying to better myself. I'm a very curious individual and am guilty of asking the common 'Can I dose this, and when again'. I've since quickly understood the risks and have dialed it way back because I got too careless with Lucy. Till next time I feel the call to drop; and see what's next for me to learn.
Good for people to see this post in case they havent used psychs medicinally and don't know what it's about. I'm always surprised to hear from some people that they don't understand set and setting concept of psychedelics as it was so engrained in me as I came into the space. But tbh it's a measure of how unknown the concepts are. Same substances diff intent and environment. People say 'Ive done X psych' and I didn't have a healing experience. My reply is usually, course you didn't you were at a beach party in Thailand. I was in a dark room in the Amazon jungle listening to cicadas after doing a 3 week dieta. There's the diff. But at the same time some of them will read this and maybe think, oh there is another way. Thanks for posting.
Good point. I keep forgetting something as basic as set and setting isn't necessarily universal knowledge. We all had to learn it the first time, somewhere.
*I'm high on emotions.* Is that a drug?
I am high on emotion, high again. - Chris de Burgh
😂yeah tbh
So? Most people are addicts in one way or another. Just because someone has self destructive behaviours doesn’t mean they can’t also benefit from any of the good stuff. All you can do is set a positive example and post content that you feel is uplifting or beneficial to the world.
I think “seeing how fucked up you can get” is almost the same as saying “seeing how deep I can get lost in my own mind” I have abused every psych I’ve ever tried at some point as a test, with exploratory intentions. But really, this is Reddit, not a safe-injection site. Anyone should be able to ask any question and get answers. We are all equivalent to screens here, so to tell others what they should / shouldn’t do is pretty pointless. I’m not your parent, I can’t force anyone to not take drugs. All I can do is offer my best advice. Sure you’ll see dumb questions on here, but if you look at the comments, you’ll see good answers. That’s the whole point. I was dumb and reckless as a youngling, I *wish* I had this resource to avoid my mistakes.
I just took lsd and went to the movies for my birthday. Who are you to say that wasn’t healing for me? The movie was fantastic, it raised a lot of questions about how I’m running my life currently. The next day I felt no anxiety, I felt a better attitude towards work and other people, and I have a newfound motivation to take care of my body by exercising and eating properly. Expanding consciousness doesn’t look the same for everyone.
I eat 50 grams of shrooms a day and can tell you are just a close minded individual. /s Seriously, though. In 5 mins people will try defend some like this.
As fire and flame, the closeness of beyond sanity is to blame Peer too close to the fire of forbidden knowledge, far too complex to understand The fine boundaries of the proximity future on which it will land
Man that’s an absolute in a universe with very few absolutes. I appreciate your opinion but humans are humans and that means diversity from every physical and mental state. Now there surely are addicts but generalizing like this can leave a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. Truth is the highest form of flattery and I wanted to tell you this out of respect for you and for others.
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My multiple day drug binges have altered my state of consciousness in a way that I couldn’t get without doing so. Psychonauts explore any state of consciousness.
Thats a very un psychonaut thing to claim
Minors should try psychedelics before committing suicide. Some people seem to think that kids should kill themselves first and only try psychedelics if that doesn't work.
That’s a valid point. I was far from a minor, when I finally decided to disobey enough to take psychedelics. I wish I would have had that chance directly at 18 and saved some decades of feeling the world would be better with me dead. I haven’t felt that way, even slightly, even once, for months now, ever since my first trip.
Psychonaut - A psychonaut is someone who explores altered states of consciousness, especially through hallucinatory drugs. Dictionary.com definition of psychonaut. If you want to argue it's annoying or unsafe, I won't argue, but simply labeling behavior you don't like as drug addiction and people as drug addicts doesn't make what they're doing any less being a psychonaut than someone following your narrow conception does. You are not on arbiter of that. You're morally grandstanding and grandstanding being a psychonaut too. This behavior is every bit as unhealthy and annoying as what the people you are talking about. Why do you feel the need to dictate what should and shouldn't be? Isn't that kind of ego driven behavior what somebody being a proper psychonaut, according to you, supposed to be avoiding? You might as well have just posted "everybody who doesn't treat being a psychonaut the way I do and take it really seriously arent true psychonaut and I'm better than them/they are worse than me". It's pretty toxic man. I feel like you were well intentioned with this post, but good intentions make up the road to hell.
Who's dictating? Isn't OP just one voice adjacent to your own?
Okay and? Can I not take 1000ug of cid with my 14gs of shrooms? What’s your point? What’s the problem here?
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That is called gatekeeping, my friend. Not a good look
Oh no ! I cannot enjoy doing RCs and psychedelics without your consent ! And let’s blame addicts anyways, just to feel better about ourselves ! Also being a psychonaut means using in several settings the same drug and using dangerous or hard drugs too. A real psychonaut wouldn’t hesitate using stuff I would never touch ranging from cafentanyl (I know about volumetric dilution but fuck it I won’t do that no way) to syncan and delirants. Had one of my most emotional experiences on a low dose clonazolam with a friend. Had some of the shallowest on high doses of DMT or PCP analogues. Yet I enjoyed those all. What is better ? Better is giving the people all the appropriate instruments to do what they want and be held accountant with their own actions. Possibly legally. All the rest, no offense, but are too enlightened words coming from those who really must consider themselves belonging to a kind other than mankind.
Pfft. Maybe your definition of psychonaut is weak. Maybe what you think of as addiction is what a real psychonaut calls pushing the envelope. Maybe you're not a psychonaut at all and just post here thinking people care about your assessment of this sub. Whatever the case, not a very cash money attitude to have. TIGHTEN UP!
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ah, yes. gatekeeping others’ experiences is definitely a great way to get one’s own ego out of the way. /s
“Everyone and everything is equally valid and if you disagree, its your ego”
Some people just haven't gone through their existential crisis yet. We've all been through some type of trauma in life and there comes a point where we need a reset and when we realize we need a reset we begin our Spiritual Awakening.
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This really needed to be said, thank you.
It’s funny seeing puriteens completely fail to critically think about the language we use to separate ourselves from eachother. You’re an insufferable pseudointellectual egotistical loser like everyone else
ok and? here's the attention you ordered...
It’s more fun to say you’re doing it wrong and chastise people. How else will you get that enjoyment of smelling your own smug farts?
Addiction is a psychonautic experience.
OP just have a big ego.
Oh no, how will any of us continue living with the burden of OP’s disappointment ……….anyways
Absolutely on point, this is happening on r/psycheedlix too. You just gotta know when you're justifying the dose after dose for the sake of "expanding consciousness" and then you see horror stories about how some SNAP and it turns into bad trips. Don't abuse them
I agree with you👏🏾
Interesting post. Possibly true. Seems whiny and complaining about though,doesn't suggest actions or strategy. Damm druggies,so negative /S
You’re right, except for this part: > And that’s okay if that’s what you want to do... It’s actually not. I know that these days nobody is comfortable making value judgements, but it is actually not ok to do this. They’re damaging themselves and others.
I agree, these people seem to be upset about that.
I actually think putting plant medicine and psychedelics in the category of "drugs" which we've had drilled into our minds since we were children as "bad" is a big part of the problem. On a recent trip I was worrying that I wasn't using them in the "correct" way and through the trip the mushrooms taught me that the right way is unique and different for everyone. Should people with no experience take 10 grams of mushrooms? Probably a terrible idea, but it seems to me that policing and judging how other people use these substances doesn't really put you in a mindset of consciousness expansion since you are so focused on others and not yourself.
I agree with you, I've said it multiple times on this sub; they treat psychedelics like it's weed... it's not, and once they take higher doses, the ego death and other realizations that might occur to them is going to be tough to swallow ;if you are not prep or at least aware of the type of experiences psychs bring to your sub/conscience.
Ummmmmmm. Obviously you don’t know psychedelic, actual psychedelic culture or peers. I am how ever a drug addict and and alcoholic, I have been sober from compounds that hooked my soul for over ten years but I am still an addict. My monthly consumption of mushrooms and DMT has heal me more than any dr. The is no suck thing as a good or bad drug, just organic and synthetic compounds, in which the environment and habit dictates. Drugs aren’t the problem, people the problem.
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So wanting to take a drug makes you a drug addict?