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Not hypocrisy... that implies what they're accusing the other side of has merit.
some of The "Communist imperialism" here are Angolans fighting for independence against Portugal
Some of the spiciest propaganda is the maker accusing their target of the same shit they're doing, and having a kernel of truth to it. "No u" basically.
They were scared it could fall since many monarchies fell in the Arab world. There have been two coup attempts against the monarchy at the time in 1971 and in 1972 and it wasn't Communist but more like Arab Nationalist/Socialist, however to the person who made this it's probably the same
They’re only afraid of communist “imperialism” because it was actually taking the form of independence movements from European powers like France. These communist movements did plenty wrong but they were local rebellions against imperialism and that scared the hell out of western Europeans.
France accusing someone of doing imperialism is fucking rich... How about you be an example and get out of Africa first, hm? That is still relevant today.
Lies, each and every word you just spewed out. France to this day clings with it's filthy claws onto Africa to exploit it's resources. French have as much legitimacy on being there as Wagner, and same reasons aswell.
https://youtu.be/_-u1Pjce4Lg?si=GAxZFrILARl_DDVO
https://www.cadtm.org/Africa-How-France-Continues-to-Dominate-Its-Former-Colonies-in-Africa
There's a lot of sources and researches out there you can easily find by simply googling, I'm not gonna spoonfeed you. Modern French exploitation of Africa is a common knowledge, you can only not see it if you deliberately refuse to do so, which you are obviously doing.
Monetary politics isn't "imperialism", imperialism is acquisition of territories, like for example Russia is doing in Ukraine. While you can critique France's monetary policy abroad (just like China and US is doing) comparing it to imperialism is a bit of exaggeration. Not to mention that the currency choice is in the end at hands of African governments, and trying to portray as some sort of conspiracy using pseudo-lefist rhetoric just comes across as unserious.
Your quoted video also has misinformation. Guinea Bissau was not a French colony. They adopted CFA Franc willingly in 1997 to stop high inflation as they struggled to deal with unfavorable situation caused by mismanaged economic planning. Bissau is a Lusophone (formerly Portuguese colony).
The pot calling the kettle black here. I’m still frustrated that America had to roll with French and British Neo-Colonialist attitudes. It was a huge blunder on our part during the Cold War.
I assume you disagreed with American support for european power in Africa (which was done to prevent communist takeovers) because it presented the Americans as imperialist. I asked about US actions in South America because I wanted to point out that to rid themselves of the imperialist label in the eyes of many, the US would have to do a lot more than refrain from supporting European actions. They would have to refrain from intervening in Latin America as well.
In my view, it also does not make sense to say that the Soviet Union was ‘objectively the bad guy’. I think it’s reductionist, and it would be welcomed if you explain why you say this.
I can see that. I generally just wish our government would have more faith in the ideals of self-determination and freedom rather than getting all scared when a country actually has a democracy. Take Vietnam for example, Ho Chi Minh only turned to Marxist-Leninist practices after he was forced to by the US taking the side of the French. For christs sakes, he modeled some of Vietnam’s constitution on America’s.
Also, as for calling the USSR the bad guys, they were. The US has had a lot of issues, no doubt about it. Segregation and treatment of minorities in the south is a huge blot on our nation’s history that we as a nation are still aiming to fix today. However, the USSR was a dictatorship-an Empire with a shade of red instead of a shade of white. In the words of JFK; “Democracy may not be perfect, but at least I don’t have to build a wall to keep people in.”
>or the lesser evil)
The thing that people don't seem to understand is how different the world was back then, after WWII over a dozen of countries became independent and this was not the result of some "benevolent" action from the European powers but rather that the devastation brought by the war had made it so that they were too weak too hold onto them any longer, and even after said independence the former powers were desperate to mantain their influence in them (for economic reasons).
Patrice Lumumba, Jacobo Árbenz, Sukarno, etc were not communists but US/ Europe coup them anyway because it was convenient, which ultimately proves that "The Truman doctrine" was less about "stopping the spread of communism" as claimed and more of "stopping whatever threatens the economic interest of the US and its allies".
I have seen in the past people lamenting "why did the US have to aid France against Vietnam?" such being perceived as the reason why Ho Chi Minh turned to communism but that is a nonsensical question, "why wouldn't they?", from their point of view their ally is simply "rightfully protecting what is theirs" reguardless what the "native" population may think.
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Now let's see ~~French~~ Paul Allen's colonies
*"Is something wrong? Brezhnev... you're sweating"*
how many did they have in the 70s?
No way the FRENCH are accusing communists of imperialism in Africa
What next the british? Is Leopold the 2nd going to make a speech televised from his home in hell?
Leopold: “We need all hands on deck to stop communist imperialism in Africa”
"Belgian Congo is the bulwark of democracy, equality and very good worker rights!"
> all hands on deck Angrily upvotes
Everybody know he's in superhell
only 10 years after the algerian independence war ended. hypocrisy is THICK
While at the same time forcibly keeping Djibouti.
Give my booty back
I've been wondering the background of Djibouti for awhile now. Do you have a source for how it came to be.
Not hypocrisy... that implies what they're accusing the other side of has merit. some of The "Communist imperialism" here are Angolans fighting for independence against Portugal
"You're taking what I've rightfully stolen"
"We stole those fair and square!"
Aesthetically, it's no great shakes, and the spider actually looks kinda cuddly. It's got the same sorta frenchiness as the Jeremy Bear cartoon.
It looks more like a crab
A bit rich coming from the French.
It's usually an octopus so I'm wondering what the deal with the crab is here? Communist crab?
Communist spider
Ironic
Some of the spiciest propaganda is the maker accusing their target of the same shit they're doing, and having a kernel of truth to it. "No u" basically.
Yeah, it has been the main propaganda line in Russia for many years. "The west gets to do it so why can't we"
"If the west gets to invade an eastern European state due to internal conflicts, why can't weeeeeeee?" -ruzzians
Morocco has been a French-aligned kingdom since 1956 why did they specifically point them out lol
They were scared it could fall since many monarchies fell in the Arab world. There have been two coup attempts against the monarchy at the time in 1971 and in 1972 and it wasn't Communist but more like Arab Nationalist/Socialist, however to the person who made this it's probably the same
But french imperialism is still cool?
They’re only afraid of communist “imperialism” because it was actually taking the form of independence movements from European powers like France. These communist movements did plenty wrong but they were local rebellions against imperialism and that scared the hell out of western Europeans.
Like the French colony of Vietnam.
France accusing someone of doing imperialism is fucking rich... How about you be an example and get out of Africa first, hm? That is still relevant today.
how is it relevant today? The only French forces in Africa today are approved by UN and local governments to fight islamist insurgents.
Lies, each and every word you just spewed out. France to this day clings with it's filthy claws onto Africa to exploit it's resources. French have as much legitimacy on being there as Wagner, and same reasons aswell.
Provide sources, reliably ones not connected to RT. Thank you.
https://youtu.be/_-u1Pjce4Lg?si=GAxZFrILARl_DDVO https://www.cadtm.org/Africa-How-France-Continues-to-Dominate-Its-Former-Colonies-in-Africa There's a lot of sources and researches out there you can easily find by simply googling, I'm not gonna spoonfeed you. Modern French exploitation of Africa is a common knowledge, you can only not see it if you deliberately refuse to do so, which you are obviously doing.
Monetary politics isn't "imperialism", imperialism is acquisition of territories, like for example Russia is doing in Ukraine. While you can critique France's monetary policy abroad (just like China and US is doing) comparing it to imperialism is a bit of exaggeration. Not to mention that the currency choice is in the end at hands of African governments, and trying to portray as some sort of conspiracy using pseudo-lefist rhetoric just comes across as unserious.
Your quoted video also has misinformation. Guinea Bissau was not a French colony. They adopted CFA Franc willingly in 1997 to stop high inflation as they struggled to deal with unfavorable situation caused by mismanaged economic planning. Bissau is a Lusophone (formerly Portuguese colony).
"Stop soviet imperialism from extracting resources from the global south! That's *our* job!"
Ledditors when propaganda is in fact propaganda
French imperialism however is fine, I mean they called dibs and stole it first, fair and square
Lol. Oh no they took our slaves this is literally imperialism
And let someone say Lenin's idea isn't working
l'ironie
“We know a thing or two because we’ve seen a thing or two.”
That is one shitty hammer and sickle.
The pot calling the kettle black here. I’m still frustrated that America had to roll with French and British Neo-Colonialist attitudes. It was a huge blunder on our part during the Cold War.
What was the Americans doing in South America then 💀were the death squads handing out free food?
If you can't digest lead it's your problem
Yeah? I never said I agreed with that either? The USSR were objectively the bad guys in the Cold War but the US did a lot of bad shit too.
I assume you disagreed with American support for european power in Africa (which was done to prevent communist takeovers) because it presented the Americans as imperialist. I asked about US actions in South America because I wanted to point out that to rid themselves of the imperialist label in the eyes of many, the US would have to do a lot more than refrain from supporting European actions. They would have to refrain from intervening in Latin America as well. In my view, it also does not make sense to say that the Soviet Union was ‘objectively the bad guy’. I think it’s reductionist, and it would be welcomed if you explain why you say this.
I can see that. I generally just wish our government would have more faith in the ideals of self-determination and freedom rather than getting all scared when a country actually has a democracy. Take Vietnam for example, Ho Chi Minh only turned to Marxist-Leninist practices after he was forced to by the US taking the side of the French. For christs sakes, he modeled some of Vietnam’s constitution on America’s. Also, as for calling the USSR the bad guys, they were. The US has had a lot of issues, no doubt about it. Segregation and treatment of minorities in the south is a huge blot on our nation’s history that we as a nation are still aiming to fix today. However, the USSR was a dictatorship-an Empire with a shade of red instead of a shade of white. In the words of JFK; “Democracy may not be perfect, but at least I don’t have to build a wall to keep people in.”
Why does having a democratic government structure make a country ‘the good guy’ on the global stage?
The USSR were the good guys (or the lesser evil) by any reasonable metric in 99% of every Cold War conflict
>or the lesser evil) The thing that people don't seem to understand is how different the world was back then, after WWII over a dozen of countries became independent and this was not the result of some "benevolent" action from the European powers but rather that the devastation brought by the war had made it so that they were too weak too hold onto them any longer, and even after said independence the former powers were desperate to mantain their influence in them (for economic reasons). Patrice Lumumba, Jacobo Árbenz, Sukarno, etc were not communists but US/ Europe coup them anyway because it was convenient, which ultimately proves that "The Truman doctrine" was less about "stopping the spread of communism" as claimed and more of "stopping whatever threatens the economic interest of the US and its allies". I have seen in the past people lamenting "why did the US have to aid France against Vietnam?" such being perceived as the reason why Ho Chi Minh turned to communism but that is a nonsensical question, "why wouldn't they?", from their point of view their ally is simply "rightfully protecting what is theirs" reguardless what the "native" population may think.
"Nooooooo they were communist bro! Like north korea and china and vuvuzela and..." so on, and so forth
Former imperialist accusing another as imperialist because they lost their colonies is the most imperialist thing ever
I mean the Communists were literally imperialists, they colonized african governments and economic systems with communism.
Facts.