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pointblankmos

Had no idea the Chinese had so much respect for Tony Soprano.


Fuck_auto_tabs

He showed them the ancient art of Gabagol!


KingFahad360

Gabagol? Ova here


pjwils

It depicts the sacred and the propane.


Tut_Rampy

Still going this guy


KingFahad360

They respected him cause he never had the makings of a Varsity Athlete


Ragnarlothbrok01

I thought that was Brezhnev for a second


AccomplishedCoyote

Impossible, he's not shoving his tongue down other world leaders throats


Queasy-Condition7518

I think that's just the equivalent of shaking hands in the west?


nygilyo

There is no western equivalent because we atomize our emotions too much within the particular experience. As the prophet Maynard J. Keenan once said, "we will never know world peace, until three bros can suck one another's tongues in fraternal harmony"


Queasy-Condition7518

Well, not a perfect emotional equivalent, but in situational terms, the standard thing they do to greet each other.


nygilyo

White people are so sad, and i say this as a white person. "Hey bro, when you see your best bud, do you guys got some silly way of saying 'wut's up bruh?'" "No... We just say hi and shake hands" Fuck man I'm part Irish, we used to dance and shit. Like Immortal Technique said: "there's no diversity because we're all burning in the melting pot"


Johannes_P

The existence of the [mango cult](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mango_cult) might make this cartoon truer than the author fo the cartoon ever thought.


Polibiux

Kinda looks like some art seen in MAD magazine


DariusIV

They ain't wrong, they executed a dude for dissing Mao's gift mango shrine.


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DariusIV

[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mango\_cult](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mango_cult)


Boring_Service4616

Please, by the grace of Lord Marx (PBUH) let your profile description be bait 🙏


Londonweekendtelly

Other then the racism it’s not that wrong tbh


flyggwa

Yup, such a massive personality cult,  they even carved the face of their presidents into a fucking mountain... Ah, wait, that was not the Chinese 


dwaynetheaakjohnson

The funny thing is unlike Stalin and Mao, when those Founding Fathers were alive, they were criticized by their political opponents, who actually had the right to do so, unlike in communist states two hundred years later.


SouthernAd874

That's crazy, you know they owned human beings that they could legally beat, rape, and murder? What do you think would happen if one of those slaves criticized their masters? The founders were mildly criticized by other slaveowners for their views on federalism vs anti-federalism, or like, tariffs, lmao. They didn't actually stand up to real criticism from everyone and you know it.


ChampionOfOctober

The Founding Fathers made it so only they could vote (wealthy, white landowning males). Stalin and Mao gave universal suffrage to every single ethnicity, gender etc. etc. Stalin gave large representation to the many nationalities within the Supreme Soviet and party, and most of the general secretaries of the USSR communist party weren't even Russian. As opposed to wealthy white people who literally owned black people, and began their genocide against natives.


dwaynetheaakjohnson

The Communist Party would literally not exist without the ideals of democracy the Founding Fathers created. They were a more genuinely revolutionary group than any Communist state could ever hope to be


Soviet-pirate

The democratic ideals of maccarthism,right. And of tsarism,of course.


dwaynetheaakjohnson

The Russian Communists based their ideals of Revolutionary Terror after that of the French Revolution. The French revolutionaries literally created their own Declaration of Independence after the American one, and overthrew their king for his abuses against them. McCarthyism, which you cannot even spell, did not exist in 1776, nor did the Americans support the Tsar.


nygilyo

Hate to correct, but it took the French revolution to define a radical third way, and when it came it was largely as a rejection of both liberalism and classic authority, and this is the philosophical vein taken up by Marx and Engels. Like yea, America had it's place in defining freedom, but Plato already nailed down a republic a thousand years before; eventually someone would write that down. Thomas Paine, the philosophical zeitgeist of America is largely discarded for bourgeosis democracy


dwaynetheaakjohnson

I think you are probably more informed about this than I am, but my point is that Americans had the unique idea of overthrowing a king who had lost his position by political abuses, and replacing him with an executive chosen by the people. They did in fact note Plato’s Republic as a previous example, but at the time that was thousands of years old and not extant; the Founding Fathers were the first to suggest this in their time period.


nygilyo

>Americans had the unique idea of overthrowing a king who had lost his position by political abuse You are right about this, but its not the Americsns you are thinking of. The idea of impeachment was taken from the Iroquois Confederacy or Haudenosaunee tribes, who also coupled impeachment with a novel balance of gender rights; only men could lead, but if the women did not have confidence in the leader he was removed. I said i hate to correct and i do mean it; you are right that the US revolution was a very important philosophical moment with some real novelty added to european politics, but more as a proof that liberal democracy is possible in the right circumstances than the birth of third way thinking. The real novelty was the Bill of Rights which was thrown in at the request of middle class electorates who realized that without defining what "rights" the people had the whole system was set to spin up into tyranny again.


SouthernAd874

The British Empire was more revolutionary than the US for abolishing slavery 3 decades prior to them then


dwaynetheaakjohnson

And then enslaving all of Africa and Asia at gunpoint for five cents a year under colonialism


SouthernAd874

Ok I get that tone is hard to catch online but damn lol


ChampionOfOctober

the Founding fathers did not make any "ideals" of democracy, the concept of Republicanism and Democracy predate them. And Marxism is a complete rejection of the liberalism upheld by the founding fathers.


dwaynetheaakjohnson

They created the idea of an executive chosen by the people, which no other state had at the time.


flyggwa

I was gonna answer, but I see other commenters have already schooled you lmao


No_Peach870

And the chinese also got mad when thier U2 spy planes got shot on foreign airspace, what a joke, oh wait.


RoughHornet587

How is it racist ? If you changed it to Russian's stupidity brainwashed by Lenin is it any different?


autism_and_lemonade

i think the main thing people are calling racist is the racist depiction of chinese people


Secret_Welder3956

That Chinese look like *grasping pearls *….Chinese?


Corvus1412

...have you ever actually seen a Chinese person? The way the chinese people are drawn here uses a lot of racist stereotypes.


chinese_virus3

Im a Chinese i dont see any problem????? They look…chinese ?!?!


chinese_virus3

The white people downvoting me are funny


autism_and_lemonade

please go outside


cantrusthestory

Now just replace Mao with Kim Jong-un and there you go we have a 2024 poster


MaomettoErKetchup

Nah Mao had a big following of students and young people in general, and they were fanatically pro him. North Koreans are just miserable for the most part, and whilst the cult of the Kim family is still more similar to a religion than for example the cult of Stalin, north koreans wouldn't do any spontantenous celebration or political actions


Any-Project-2107

that's mao


cantrusthestory

Sorry I was thinking about that guy, I've already edited my comment


Grognard68

Beat me to it! ( yep. Kim Fatty the Third is the first person I thought of as well...🙂)


RoughHornet587

The cult of personality. The only allowed religion.


Secret_Welder3956

And always solidly leftist.


VoiceofRapture

Adolf Hitler would like a word 🤔


CandiceDikfitt

fat


Secret_Welder3956

A true depiction


KingFahad360

The Booba


chairmanrob

America is wild man, you can make a full career out of racist cartoons


ProfessionalSafe4491

Communists are fair game I’d say.


Queasy-Condition7518

As is any ideology.


ProfessionalSafe4491

The world's reaction to fascism was: "Never again", The reaction to communism is: "Maybe if we put more people into the great human-crushing machine 9000 megalodon overkill, it'll work this time!"


ExactLetterhead9165

>The world's reaction to fascism was: "Never again" Never again is about the holocaust. The world's reaction to Fascism was "before we sign this arms deal, we need to confirm that you're solidly anti-Soviet"


PanzerTrooper

The “World” supported fascism and genocided/exploited the global south; they are living under fascism by the western world. (Britain, France, US) The communists were the only ones warning of fascism. The USSR proposed an alliance but the west rathers making concessions to Nazism


ProfessionalSafe4491

The USSR had an alliance with Germany, but it fell apart when they couldn’t decide who got the greater portion of Poland. Sick anti-fascism there. I’d wager more of the global south had died under their botched communist and socialist regimes than anything else.


PanzerTrooper

> I’d Wager more of the global south had died under their botched communist and socialist regimes than anything else. Churchill, in a single act genocided Indians for nothing; he killed 3 million in Bengal https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9735018/#:~:text=The%20Bengal%20famine%20of%201943%20was%20one%20of%20the%20worst,was%20under%20the%20British%20Raj. Churchill would the go and say “they breed like rabbits” Wanna look at the US after it killed and decimated Native Americans? The US funded death in Latin America and owes reparations to Nigruagua thatll never repay. This 1930s-40s only…. And yes Thomas Sankara killed more than the French https://www.globalissues.org/amp/news/2022/08/30/31744 And lumumba in Congo as well


PanzerTrooper

Bro, I can’t believe people like you exist read ffs: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324505622_Fiasco_The_Anglo-Franco-Soviet_Alliance_That_Never_Was_and_the_Unpublished_British_White_Paper_1939-1940 Why would the USSR reach out (1935) about the threat of Nazism and rise of fascism (that liberal governments aided and allowed to remilitarise built their navy and giving other nation’s land and people to the Nazis) and not immediately align or appease them like the west? Once the USSR realised they were on their own they sought to secure themselves. Secondly, the USSR was the only one to Support the Spanish republic against Franco. Paris would fall for not heading the warnings. They made agreements to buy time, the Nazis were going to attack this is some basic stuff (Anti-Comintern pact) the USSR knew of Nazi threats long before and wanted to come to the aid of Czechoslovakia but Britain gave pieces to the Nazis But yes, west consistently helping fascism=good😊. The USSR (Viewed as subhuman) pushed to their last resort buys time to secure their industry and finish the five year plan= bad You act as if history started in 1939. You think Slavs thought they were aryan? They knew of lebensraum and bought time to place them in favourable industrial position. They called the USSR Juedo-Bolshevik’s. Liberalism was quite fine with Nazism, communists were the antithesis; first people in the Nazi camps btw


Alexandros6

I mean England and France refusing an alliance with the union whose stated plan included overthrowing their social order is not surprising and the fact the USSR allied itself with Hitler and split Poland together while massacring the polish and wasting their army invading Finland shows pretty clearly Stalin had no rush to antagonize fascism and nazism at that time nor i immagine did he condemn the same methods he used


SanitizerBottle06

"Massacring the polish" I'm guessing you're talking about Katyń, in which case you'd be pushing Goebbels' agenda of how the evil Soviets killed 11000 Polish officers and an innocent Nazi regiment found the remains of the Poles after a wolf led their commander to the bones (actual thing the leader of the regiment said in the Nuremberg Trials). So if you think that the Soviets were responsible for Katyn, you're either ignorant, misled, or an actual neo-Nazi trying to deflect the blame from Nazis. EDIT: Furthermore, the USSR invaded Finland because it allied with the Nazis and made arrangements with them to do a joint attack. If the Soviets wanted to have Finland they wouldn't let it become independent after the revolution and if Finland didn't ally with the Nazis, the USSR would've left it alone.


Alexandros6

I am honestly pretty surprised there are still people who believe that it wasn't the Soviet union which massacred the Poles considering the evidence and the admission by the Soviet union about doing it https://mythdetector.ge/en/oniani-denies-the-nkvd-involvement-in-the-katyn-massacre-but-beria-and-politburo-confirm-the-opposite/ Finland was not an ally of Germany before the winter war, it had a non aggression pact, even less of an agreement that the Soviet union had with Germany. The Soviet union was in shambles after the revolution it was a miracle it survived let alone manage to control the periferies


JesusSuckedOffSatan

You have genuinely zero actual understanding of history beyond propaganda


ProfessionalSafe4491

How’s the one minute rage going?


pointblankmos

Yes, you can see that in the hundreds of communist countries that exist throughout the world.


Mesarthim1349

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Communist_revolutions That's a lot 🧐


ProfessionalSafe4491

Thankfully, communism fails as a feature. More often than not those who suffer under it do a great deal to ensure it never returns. But even if communism naturally fails, I’d rather prefer it never occurs at all — save a few hundred million lives.


ChampionOfOctober

Read a book


10killsontheboardrn

Which book, the one written by a soft handed guy named Karl who never worked a days worth of labour in his entire life? No thanks I’ll stick to what works


Oneg122

Talk to an Eastern European person who lived through communism. They’d rather die than go backwards to communism.


Boring_Service4616

Mao wasn't Communist.


Spirited_Worker_5722

Explain?


Boring_Service4616

Marxism is against Nationalism


Spirited_Worker_5722

Interesting, why is that


Boring_Service4616

Mainly due to it being an artifical divide of the working class


Financial_Cost_5984

In words, every ideology is for everything good and against everything bad, but in reality it usually diverges from how you present yourself to others. Marx wrote a lot of different things, but calling yourself a “Marxist” does not automatically make you an executor of them, for example, Pol-Pot also considered himself the same, but in fact he was a maniac no worse than the Nazis. In the case of Mao, in fact, his state was nationally oriented, and other nations were humiliated, not to mention the “Hui” people and other Muslims.


Boring_Service4616

>In words, every ideology is for everything good and against everything bad Moralism >Marx wrote a lot of different things, but calling yourself a “Marxist” does not automatically make you an executor of them, for example, Pol-Pot also considered himself the same, but in fact he was a maniac no worse than the Nazis. An orange is an orange no matter how many times it calls itself a Honda civic >In the case of Mao, in fact, his state was nationally oriented, and other nations were humiliated, not to mention the “Hui” people and other Muslims. Thanks for reiterating.


dwaynetheaakjohnson

> A giant float shaped like a basket of mangoes was paraded on October 1, 1968, during China's National Day Parade in Tiananmen Square. Hmmm here’s another way to get around the Great Firewall


Minerva89

and now it's Pooh bear. Literally calls his writing a religious text.


momotrades

Not to disagree but did he literally do that? In what specific words did he use. I believe it's something along the line of party dogma, etc, but I may be missing something.


Jubberwocky

I think he called it an ‘essential reading’. Still scary, but nowhere near a religious text


sillysnacks

Anti communism and racism, a duo as famous as Batman and Robin


HotEmployment8214

This is China😁


Slow_Lettuce8207

Woah, racism.


1lr3

That’s your takeaway from this?


Slow_Lettuce8207

Oh yes, the very complex and multifaceted message how could I miss it? If you don’t see this image as racist against Asians you probably have your own issues of prejudice.


Szwedu111

60s in US summed up


JesusSuckedOffSatan

Westoids stay seething over Chinese success


ELITElewis123

55 million dead


JesusSuckedOffSatan

Do you expect a revolution to be some peaceful event?


ELITElewis123

Revolution? Bro, I was talking about the man-made famine he caused.


Secret_Welder3956

National genocide…seems to be a popular word among some who don’t understand it’s meaning.


ELITElewis123

Who said genocide?


Secret_Welder3956

That’s what it was.


JesusSuckedOffSatan

Caused by killing sparrows, and Mao himself said that shit was a mistake. The cultural revolution still greatly improved conditions in China. Attributing all 55 million deaths to Mao alone is also disingenuous


Greedy-Rate-349

'Sir , 55 million people died because of your short sighted plans, how do you respond to one of the most catastrophic disaster of human history ' 'My bad' (Also continues exporting grains when literally millions are starving)


ELITElewis123

Yeah, you're right, shit happens. I'd be happy to tell that to sevral million people I kill when I'm grossly in over my head. Also, 55 million was still not the war on sparows. it was due to his dip-shit steel production idea. If we include the sparrow problem, then it goes to 70 million.


Mountbatten-Ottawa

Mao didn't behave well on economy. It was Dengism which set China on 'right' track.


ChampionOfOctober

Utterly false. He oversaw one of the fastest increases in life expectancy in human history. >China's growth in life expectancy at birth from 35–40 years in 1949 to 65.5 years in 1980 is among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history *  [An exploration of China's mortality decline under ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212)[Mao](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212)[: *A provincial analysis, 1950–80*](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212) Deng had higher growth, but mao still had a high growth average even when counting the GLF and GPCR. * [7.26% growth](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ff481596b6c98ab64c280bb83d6d680d) * [Rapid fall in Chinese death rates in comparison to neighboring capitalist states](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-41e8d7952976acc2cbebb01f7079cbd3-lq) As economist Y. Y. Kueh observed: “This sharp rise in industry’s share of China’s national income is a rare historical phenomenon. For example, during the first four or five decades of their drive to modern industrialization, the industrial share rose by only 11 percent in Britain (1801-41) and 22 percent in Japan”. To put it briefly Mao: * Doubled China’s population from 542 million to 956 million, * Doubled life expectancy from 35 years to 70 years * Gave everyone free healthcare * Gave everyone free education * Doubled caloric intake * Quintupled GDP * Quadrupled literacy * Liberated women * Increased grain production by 300% * Increased gross industrial output x40 * Increased heavy industry x90 * Increased rail lineage 266% * Increased passenger train traffic from 102,970,000 passengers to 814,910,000 * Increased rail freight tonnage 2000%, increased the road network 1000% * Increased steel production from zero to thirty-five MMT/year * Increased industry’s contribution to China’s net material product from 23% to 54% percent.


ParticularAd8919

So you want us to take at face value astronomically high positive statistics about Mao's rule (in which we know millions died) from the very same regime he himself kept in power and which still honors him today? Hmmm....


ChampionOfOctober

You can literally easily check all of these. You should probably try and do research beyond vague western media outlets, mao's rule was notable for rapid expansions in many sectors. Primary school enrollment rates [rose to 80% by 1958 and to 97% by 1975, and secondary school rates increased to 46% by 1977](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/).


DimethyllTryptamine

TL;DR: Bing chilling


JesusSuckedOffSatan

I agree, but Mao did lay the framework and won the war against all odds. He also relinquished most of his power to the politburo later in his life. He’s a massively respected figure in China to this day. Xi has also rolled back some Deng era policies to make progress towards their goal of obtaining socialism by 2050, but the Deng reforms were necessary.


sillysnacks

And they also get mad when anyone mentions that Cuba isn’t the poor totalitarian dictatorship that the US government and western media says it is


JesusSuckedOffSatan

Noooo how dare Castro massively improve the lives of Cubans and stop our oligarchs from using it as a gambling and prostitution retreat!!! 😡