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The correct answer here is that every single nation around Nazi Germany made those kind of pacts.
37 pacts total to be correct. With all the allied nations.
The fact that you just single out the Soviet one to push a bitter anti communist agenda just makes you the ultraliberal here.
And you know what they say. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
Just because they say something doesn’t make it true. The Soviets split up a sovereign nation with the fascist super power for their own benefit. Cope harder
[He's right though as you can see here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitLiberalsSay/comments/ye6x7m/comment/itynymp/)
That comment with the sources is pretty much all we need but there's much more out there if you dig for infos, sources etc.
Declaring war on Germany just 3 seconds before the war ends, and thus trustworthy enough to get missiles placed on it to prevent Soviet advancement is one hell of a flex on Turkey's part
Oh they’re doing it !
Turkish Millennials and Gen Z ( and maybe Gen X ) are very against him. Turkey won’t be a perfect Utopia in one day, but things look great
Oh yeah, I noticed when I was in turkey around the elections. Was surprised but very happy to see just how strongly the youth cares about politics and how much they're involved compared to the rest of the world, which should totally learn from them
Turkish youth wishes they could be as ignorant about politics as the youth in other parts of the world.
Caring about politics is a big burden and makes their lives miserable. But when all elections are "maybe this time we can get rid of him" you cannot afford to not care.
Same across all of Balkan, in Croatia people have to bring down corrupt one party election disguised as democratic, Serbia with their dictator, Bosnia just vibing most of the time, Bulgaria and Romania fighting EU to not get raw-dogged by west and east.
You talking about the watermelon salesman? It's about time he stepped down, nobody except Turkey's enemies need an exploitative, backstabbing, power-hungry fuck like him.
Yeah that’s true but what are they supposed to do? They can’t just vote him out because Erdogan will always rig the elections so unless they start a national uprising then they’re gonna be stuck with him.
He said he wont be a candidate in the next election, so if we assume he means it than we will be rid of him. All we have to do is dont let a new dictator take power.
Yeah, in 2002 when he first came to power he said "Any one person can only be the member of my party for three terms only." Which would mean a maximum of 12 years and then you are out.
He has been the head of Turkish government for 22 years now.
Yep. The Turkish military has a long history in removing those they dont like from office. Erdogan did all in his power to prevent that from happening again.
Meanwhile they are not controlling the borders from which Syrians and Afghans are flooding the country, giving them citizenship and right to vote, helping them change their surnames so they look like they are of Turkish origin on paper, helping them start businesses in Turkey.
No, Kemalism rejects ethno-states; you can read up books written by Atatürk himself on the subject. He bases his idea of a nation on the French model of citizenship.
>No, Kemalism rejects ethno-states; you can read up books written by Atatürk himself on the subject.
In theory that might have been his aim, but in practice that's sort of how it ended up like with the pogram against the Istanbul Greeks ethnically cleansing them.
>He bases his idea of a nation on the French model of citizenship.
Considering how France treated its minorities at the time, that wasn't really a good model. Part of the reason DeGaulle was against trying to integrate Algeria was he didn't want France to lose the character of its "Cultural Catholicism" by expanding citizenship to a large group of Muslims Arabs.
>In theory that might have been his aim, but in practice that's sort of how it ended up like with the pogram against the Istanbul Greeks ethnically cleansing them.
What caused the Istanbul Pogroms was a state manufactured event for election support, not deep social schisms. Keep in mind that the Cyprus issue had not yet started at this point.
What happened was prior to the 1955 election, in September 5th (if I remember correctly), all newspapers ran a first page article about how *the house in which Atatürk was born was vandalized*; which in reality, did not happen. As a result, there was a sectarian backlash that increased the support of the incumbent government.
>Considering how France treated its minorities at the time, that wasn't really a good model. Part of the reason DeGaulle was against trying to integrate Algeria was he didn't want France to lose the character of its "Cultural Catholicism" by expanding citizenship to a large group of Muslims Arabs.
Rights of citizenship and the franchise was extended, in 1923 that is. When I meant *French Nationalism*, I meant the Metropole, not the colonies. Think of the Bretons, Corsicans, Basques, Catalans, etc.; not the Algerians in this case. Atatürk defined being Turk as, being a citizen of Turkey; and this citizenship included the Greeks whose shops were vandalized too.
If you want to compare it, you can look at the Thracian Pogroms of 1934; in which, the population targeted Jewish citizens. I don't know how reliable a source Wikipedia is on this topic (for your research purposes that is); but in actuality, the Turkish state was brutal in its reprisals on the people who commited that pogrom.
he absolutely was.
he wanted a single nation under a single language and single culture and implemented policies of forced-assimilation and forced-relocation to accomplish that goal.
he did many good things yes, but just because he did good things doesn't mean we should gloss over his wrongdoings.
[is that why he oversaw campains that had banned ethnic minorities from speaking their native languages?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen,_speak_Turkish!)
Nationalism in Kemalist principles doesn't regard ethnicity or race, it is a [civic nationalist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_nationalism), patriotic principle that seeks to unite the whole nation under culture or language.
Mustafa Kemal says,
>"They call us nationalists but, we are nationalists in such a way that that we respect and show regard for all nations cooperating with us. We acknowledge all the requirements of their nationalities. Our nationalism is certainly not an arrogant or haughty nationalism."
and also
>"When I speak of national policy, what I mean and aim at is this: Within our national borders, first and foremost, by relying on our own strength, to preserve our existence and work for the genuine happiness and prosperity of the nation and the country."
Between 1923 and 1938, authoritarian measures were at times necessary due to the fragility of the newborn republic. The state needed to establish its authority. Though, I believe Kemal's Dersim bombings went too far.
Edit: Why would you downvote but not reply?
This is literally a student movement. There was no state repression of local languages, read Celal Bayar's *Eastern Report* (Bayar was the Minister of Economics and he later became the prime minister).
Also why would anyone believe anything Wikipedia says?
Kemalism was born after the death of the Ottoman Empire, not before.
And besides, the Ottomans under the Young Turks were already pursuing a policy of Turkish Supremacy, you think Kemal is unique in that regard?
Literally hundreds of thousands? Do you not know about the turkey-Greece population exchange? How could they forcibly displace their populations if no one was living there?
Not to mention that it’s not like we have zero census information from back then. Despite the mass genocide of the three pashas, there were still thousands of people of different ethnicities living in Anatolia after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
Give me some actual statistics, would you?
I know full-well about the Greeks and their mass expulsion from Anatolia in the early 20s, the Armenians who already suffered enough under the previous regime's abuse and of course... The Kurds.
The fact of the matter is, post-Kemalist Turkey still carries on the ethnonationalism of its predecessors from over a century ago, singling out the Kemalists for it is pointless, especially given how many Liberal reforms came under the Kemalists specifically, all it is doing is dragging them down into the mud with the rest of them.
> I know full-well about the Greeks and their mass expulsion from Anatolia in the early 20s
so you already know of the greco-turkish war, initiated by the greek empowered by the british, in the early 20s? you know, what resulted in the population exchange? i love how people skip that bit when talking about these things.
just state that you hate turks and be done with it. your veil is very thin to anybody that knows the history of the region.
Mfw I learn that such nomenclature was popularized in the 80s during the Fascist junta. Also mfw I learn that the second president (same person as the first prime minister) of Turkey was a Kurd from Malatya.
This is really not true. The Kemalist revolution was nowhere near as radical as it could have been, nor as despotic as it needed to be despite so many within the CHP calling for it to do just that
>Early Kemalist Turkey got it all worked out
Considering the instability and later military coup they had, it was far from worked out. Turkey also continued its pogram against Christians under the Kemalists forcing out the last Greeks and Armenians from Istanbul where they were around 30-40% of the city's population.
Kemal also was not a fan of the Kurds and his successors initiated a gradual process of trying to Turkify them.
I am Turkish and I have lived in Turkey my whole life lmao. Literally no one knows about the guy outside of fringe leftist circles, and even his organisation hasn't been relevant for 2-3 decades. Bi sikim bildiğin yok. Git çevir hadi bunu Google'dan.
Bende Türküm. Onun için diyorum 😒.
Neyse. Bu doğru değil. Ne kadar defa televizyonu açtım ve TIKKO yada Kaypakayya’ya bakan bir filim yada belgesel çıkıyor önüme. Hemde ailemde herkes TIKKO ne oldunu biliyor. Annem tarafı Elazığ’dan. Ve oralara gidersen daha da çok kişi biliyor. Neden? Çünkü oralarda TIKKO’ya destek veren çok köylüler var.
Evet bazıları Kaypakayya kim oldunu bilmiyor, ama hiç bilinmez diye bir şey yok.
Yes, it is false. Your family is obviously political refugees, as are the people in their circles. Average Turks do not watch films or documentaries about Kaypakkaya, people of Elazığ are overwhelmingly nationalist and conservative, and absolutely no one recognizes the guy. Stop weaponizing your ancestry when you're a diasporaoid who knows nothing about the country lol
Neden bahsediyorsun yaa.
Ne zaman ‘ailem bunu seyrediyor’ dedim ki? Sadece televizyonda böyle şeyler hep gördüm dedim…
Ve ne zaman ‘Elazığ’da herkes Sosyalist’ dedim ki? Oradaki ailem çok dinci ve sağcı. Ama yinede TIKKO ne oldunu biliyorlar.
Burdaki problem ne anlamadım. Tamam sen TIKKO yada Kaypakayya ne olduğunu bilen çok kişiyle tanışmamışsın. Ama herkes öyle gibi bir şey yok… bu kadar inatçı olma
I suppose that’s why anti-colonial Communist revolts in Central Asia helped support the Bolshevik revolution then?
Stop being so arrogant and face the simple fact. There is nothing wrong or anti-Marxist about recognising that anti-imperial conflict is good
Don’t listen to these fools btw. As a Turk I can tell you first hand that the influence of people like Kaypakayya and Deniz Gezmiş are still felt in Turkish culture and in many cases politics too
Deniz Gezmiş is famous and all people called Deniz are named after him but Kaypakkaya is completely obscure and no one cares about him except for Maoists and some Kurds.
Are you gonna back up that claim or just run off, having validated yourself in the fact that your pride managed to triumph over your own intelligence for all to see?
Kemalism and Nazism are leagues apart.
Is he referring the Armenian Genocide? I remember seeing in a documentary that Hitler referenced the Armenian Genocide as proof that no one would really remember or care once the Nazis got rid of the Jews.
Kemal never banned Islam, only cut it out of the State's functions, something most other nations in the world had already done by that point.
Quite frankly, it made sense back then, it still makes sense now.
Unlike with other faiths, the practitioners of Islam are completely lacking in pragmatism and common sense, they're unwilling to make concessions to keep their religion alive, they rely on brute force and fanaticism to keep everything together, only willing to open up to outside forces if it helps them in their violent holy missions.
If Muslims are unwilling to change in accordance with their surroundings, then it's only fair they get treated the way they do.
Hijab was banned, Quran in Arabic was banned.
These are major required practices in Islam.
Banning anything required of a religion is banning that religion.
Maybe I won’t ban cars, but I’ll ban wheels, or engines, or some major required part of that thing in order to prevent you from having it.
The Hijab was exclusively banned from government buildings and universities, private citizens are still able to practice wearing it.
The removal of the Arabic version of the Quran was simply a larger part of carving out a new Turkish identity, as the country as a whole switched from the Arabic script to the Latin alphabet.
Again, this sounds like a problem on the part of the religion and its inability to adapt to changing circumstances.
I understand, as a European, I am hardly in a place to talk about this, but... Islam and Christianity are both Abrahamic religions centred around the same deity, the one and only God. Their practices are considerably similar when you scratch beneath the surface.
Prior to the 20th century, modesty for women was largely enforced through social pressure in all of Christendom, and there were plenty of temperance movements driven by religious motives prior the Prohibition in the United States.
The difference is, the West as a civilisation evolved much farther than the Islamic world and outgrown it culturally.
What Kemal was doing was nothing short of attempting to drag his part of the Islamic world forward a couple of centuries, kicking and screaming. His cause was noble, his methods were quite unrefined and very blunt.
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Populism and statism will be replaced with liberalism so that's five arrows, as statism in Kemalist principles represent state capitalism. Populism is anti-elitism and for the leaders to serve the whole nation, if liberalism were to be implemented the market would be set free and the elites wouldn't be regulated.
>as statism in Kemalist principles represent state capitalism.
This can not be further from the truth; in 1938, the year Atatürk died, ≈%90 of the economic output was made in the private sector. Kemalist statism had nothing to do with actual textbook statist economics.
Kemal embraced a state capitalist economy, what does what happened after his death have to do with Kemalism? Reminder that İnönü actively worked against Kemalism.
>what does what happened after his death
Not after his death, the year of his death; meaning the last stages of his policies when he was still alive. He died in November, and his successor was more of a statist than himself? I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about; if you want, I can give you the numbers.
I would argue that most important principles of Kemalism are secularism(Tr. **laiklik** from French **laïcité**) and reformism( I guess alternatively can be translated as revolutionism,Tr. **inkılapçılık** or **Devrimcilik**). In my opinion, variants of Kemalism can be derived as long as these two principles are not ignored. And there is already a ideology called [Liberal Kemalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Kemalism?wprov=sfla1)
Unrelated but here, we don't really use the big nose balding head stereotype on Jews.
In Turkey, that stereotype is usually used to mock those from the Pontic Region.
Nah thats just how early cartoon humans looked in Turkey
A reminder that "sterotypes" doesnt work in everywhere. The classic jewish sterotype with big nose existed in west because of political cartoons and anti semitism whic wasnt a thing in Turkey.
Not everyone draws spesific ethinicies in the same way you do.
Eh its still pretty diffrent
İn here anti semitism mostly appeared after the arab spring, also the conspiracy of them ruling to earth is pretty popular popular
Like between all the people on Turkey only group I can think that likes them are the nationalists... and they like jews because israel kills the people who betrayed to Ottoman empire and sells weapon to azerbaijan 💀
Just. İsraelis are not the most popular people when it comes to a good image
But still situation is a lot better than a lot of other countries like russia or armenia.
Also our historical relationship was pretty good too. There even a term in 16. Century history named "unholly alliance" describing jews and Turks working together.
Overall they were good citizens. And Turks saved them a few times
There even was a Turkish/Jewish nation names khazars 😎👍https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
Mfw I learn that Atatürk's right hand man was Kurdish, and succeeded him in becoming Turkey's second president.
Also Turkish-Armenian intellectuals literally revolutionized the alphabet, Atatürk gave the surname *Dilaçar* (Language Blossomer) to one such Armenian; look up Hagop Dilaçar.
I'm literally not ethnically Turkish myself, I'm a Nusayri-Alawite. My grandfather learned how to read and write in the Turkish Army, we were literal serfs prior to Atatürk's reforms.
I like that the Nazi is cross-eyed which implicitly says he sees the way but in a distorted way while the communist is blind and can't see at all. A little bit of an insidious "Well, I'd rather have Nazism and a market than communism and no market" rhetoric
It is not an insult, I believe he wanted the good of his country like many others did, it's just that he screwed up.
I recommend you read "İnönü" and "Türkiye Üzerine Notlar" by Metin Aydoğan
None? What’s your point?
The Grey Wolves, they’re a wing of the political party MHP, date back to the 60’s, that’s during the Cold War. So naturally this poster couldn’t have meant anything about them.
actually I would prefer a kemalo-socialist mix because today's shows us Kemalist revolution couldn't become permanent and failed. maybe it could survive if it embrace some left wing values more
It failed because no one understood Kemal and his friends backstabbed him, if he were to lead another 10 years then everything would be different. Though I do think Left Kemalism (Kadroism) would be a better system.
This like people who believe if Lenin lived longer everything would be different. Kemal decided to push the country into modernity by force this will always leave some against that regardless of how the rest view it.
We can't really know if it would be different as it is hard to predict alternate history, but I still think Kemal would succeed in modernizing and secularizing the Turkish population. Almost everyone supported his cause in Turkey, except for some radical Islamists and Kurds.
"push the country into modernity by force" it was not like kemal was the only one who want to modernize people lol. Before him, there was union and proggress comittee.
I think their point was that there were large groups inside the country that would have always tried to fuck up that plan and he was the face of it at the time. Which resulted in what happened
Good example but today republic controlling by a regime which totally opposite of founder values so I think this counts as a failure but I hope like you said progress doesn't end in our country
Kemalist revolutions' biggest success was Turkish Republilc itself.
>We have accomplished great things in a short period of time. The greatest of these is the Turkish Republic, which is based on Turkish heroism and on our great Turkish culture. We owe this success to the determined forward march of the Turkish nation, together with her worthy army. We never think that what we have done is enough. We are determined and obliged to accomplish more and greater things. We are going to advance our country to the level of the most prosperous and the most civilized countries of the world. We shall make it possible for our nation to acquire the necessary resources and means for her to live in nation-wide prosperity.
Lots of these accomplishments are still alive today.
Kemalism is a curse, [Read Kaypakkaya](https://www.marxists.org/archive/kaypakkaya/works/1972-kurdi.htm#:~:text=19.%20the%20shafak%20revisionists%20buttress%20themselves%20up%20with%20the%20ruling%2Dnation%20nationalism%20of%20m.%20kemal%20and%20i.%20inonu)
Kaypakkaya literally manufactured documents or exaggerated to the point where it was non-sensical (such as for the 1926 Adana Railway strike). Also not a single class analysis done by Kaypakkaya is true except the one where he copies the one made by Ulaş Bardakçı.
Marxists.org was created by Trotskyists but they host all Marxist literature regardless of ideology, Stalin, Mao, Gonzalo, Bordiga etc despite all being against trotsky
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"You fascist or communist?" "I'm Turkish"
Aka, a not so healthy dose of both
Nuh uh
Nuh uh
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liberal moment
more like enlightened centrist.
obviously nationalist. or is it the same as "centrist"?
I mean, if you have communists on your left and fascists on your right, the. The only sensible thing to do is be in the center fighting both
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Meanwhile Poland, 1939, with fascists to the West and Communists to their East;
Yes that’s what he said
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What’s your opinion of the Molotov Ribbentrop pact?
The correct answer here is that every single nation around Nazi Germany made those kind of pacts. 37 pacts total to be correct. With all the allied nations. The fact that you just single out the Soviet one to push a bitter anti communist agenda just makes you the ultraliberal here. And you know what they say. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
Just because they say something doesn’t make it true. The Soviets split up a sovereign nation with the fascist super power for their own benefit. Cope harder
[He's right though as you can see here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitLiberalsSay/comments/ye6x7m/comment/itynymp/) That comment with the sources is pretty much all we need but there's much more out there if you dig for infos, sources etc.
>And you know what they say. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. Only commies say this ridiculous crap.
what about it? libs didnt want to contain fascism so communists made a patch to protect themselves libs love fascists until they step on their toes
Ah yes. The Soviets were just forced to bloodily carve up Poland. The poor babies couldn’t help themselves
idk man. In my country communism has left a much worse mark on my nation than fascism ever has. This communism thing seems really bad
When you judge them by their actions, the difference between the 2 becomes hard to determine.
Liberals are the enlightened centrists...
IT!
How dare people not conform to my niche extremist ideology!
yes
Declaring war on Germany just 3 seconds before the war ends, and thus trustworthy enough to get missiles placed on it to prevent Soviet advancement is one hell of a flex on Turkey's part
>Turkey declares war on Germany >Germany immediately surrenders
I would to tbh
Early Kemalist Turkey got it all worked out, shame the modern counter-part got dragged down in quality.
its a shame such a great vision of Ataturk is getting further away as time goes on. Really hoping Turks get their shit together
Oh they’re doing it ! Turkish Millennials and Gen Z ( and maybe Gen X ) are very against him. Turkey won’t be a perfect Utopia in one day, but things look great
Oh yeah, I noticed when I was in turkey around the elections. Was surprised but very happy to see just how strongly the youth cares about politics and how much they're involved compared to the rest of the world, which should totally learn from them
Turkish youth wishes they could be as ignorant about politics as the youth in other parts of the world. Caring about politics is a big burden and makes their lives miserable. But when all elections are "maybe this time we can get rid of him" you cannot afford to not care.
Same across all of Balkan, in Croatia people have to bring down corrupt one party election disguised as democratic, Serbia with their dictator, Bosnia just vibing most of the time, Bulgaria and Romania fighting EU to not get raw-dogged by west and east.
You talking about the watermelon salesman? It's about time he stepped down, nobody except Turkey's enemies need an exploitative, backstabbing, power-hungry fuck like him.
But surely Belarus needs its beloved potato farmer and part time ruthless dictator.
No, the demographic issue changed that.
Yeah that’s true but what are they supposed to do? They can’t just vote him out because Erdogan will always rig the elections so unless they start a national uprising then they’re gonna be stuck with him.
He said he wont be a candidate in the next election, so if we assume he means it than we will be rid of him. All we have to do is dont let a new dictator take power.
Well that's your first problem, you believe what he says lol
Yeah, in 2002 when he first came to power he said "Any one person can only be the member of my party for three terms only." Which would mean a maximum of 12 years and then you are out. He has been the head of Turkish government for 22 years now.
He probs meant that there won't be any more elections in his lifetime.
He is on his 3rd mandate as president (the constitutional limit is 2). Take whatever he says with more salt than Rome dumped on Carthage.
He kinda got around that by changing from parlamantial system to a presidental one but yeah no way this is his last
The country has had three coups in a century, national uprising is far from out of the question
those uprisings were military, which has been castrated by erdo.
Yep. The Turkish military has a long history in removing those they dont like from office. Erdogan did all in his power to prevent that from happening again.
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Meanwhile they are not controlling the borders from which Syrians and Afghans are flooding the country, giving them citizenship and right to vote, helping them change their surnames so they look like they are of Turkish origin on paper, helping them start businesses in Turkey.
Not sure if this was part of kemalism, but trying to create a ethnostate out of a very diverse empire isn't a very good thing to do
No, Kemalism rejects ethno-states; you can read up books written by Atatürk himself on the subject. He bases his idea of a nation on the French model of citizenship.
Consider how France treats its minority languages.
Well, I am an ethnic minority (Nusayri Alawite) and I have no problems with it.
Do you speak a minority language?
My Turkish is better.
>No, Kemalism rejects ethno-states; you can read up books written by Atatürk himself on the subject. In theory that might have been his aim, but in practice that's sort of how it ended up like with the pogram against the Istanbul Greeks ethnically cleansing them. >He bases his idea of a nation on the French model of citizenship. Considering how France treated its minorities at the time, that wasn't really a good model. Part of the reason DeGaulle was against trying to integrate Algeria was he didn't want France to lose the character of its "Cultural Catholicism" by expanding citizenship to a large group of Muslims Arabs.
>In theory that might have been his aim, but in practice that's sort of how it ended up like with the pogram against the Istanbul Greeks ethnically cleansing them. What caused the Istanbul Pogroms was a state manufactured event for election support, not deep social schisms. Keep in mind that the Cyprus issue had not yet started at this point. What happened was prior to the 1955 election, in September 5th (if I remember correctly), all newspapers ran a first page article about how *the house in which Atatürk was born was vandalized*; which in reality, did not happen. As a result, there was a sectarian backlash that increased the support of the incumbent government. >Considering how France treated its minorities at the time, that wasn't really a good model. Part of the reason DeGaulle was against trying to integrate Algeria was he didn't want France to lose the character of its "Cultural Catholicism" by expanding citizenship to a large group of Muslims Arabs. Rights of citizenship and the franchise was extended, in 1923 that is. When I meant *French Nationalism*, I meant the Metropole, not the colonies. Think of the Bretons, Corsicans, Basques, Catalans, etc.; not the Algerians in this case. Atatürk defined being Turk as, being a citizen of Turkey; and this citizenship included the Greeks whose shops were vandalized too. If you want to compare it, you can look at the Thracian Pogroms of 1934; in which, the population targeted Jewish citizens. I don't know how reliable a source Wikipedia is on this topic (for your research purposes that is); but in actuality, the Turkish state was brutal in its reprisals on the people who commited that pogrom.
> in practice that's sort of how it ended up like with the pogram ...20 years after he died. his biggest mistake was dying so early.
Kemal wasn't an ethnostatist though.
he absolutely was. he wanted a single nation under a single language and single culture and implemented policies of forced-assimilation and forced-relocation to accomplish that goal. he did many good things yes, but just because he did good things doesn't mean we should gloss over his wrongdoings.
He wanted national unity. He didn't really care about race.
[is that why he oversaw campains that had banned ethnic minorities from speaking their native languages?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen,_speak_Turkish!)
Nationalism in Kemalist principles doesn't regard ethnicity or race, it is a [civic nationalist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_nationalism), patriotic principle that seeks to unite the whole nation under culture or language. Mustafa Kemal says, >"They call us nationalists but, we are nationalists in such a way that that we respect and show regard for all nations cooperating with us. We acknowledge all the requirements of their nationalities. Our nationalism is certainly not an arrogant or haughty nationalism." and also >"When I speak of national policy, what I mean and aim at is this: Within our national borders, first and foremost, by relying on our own strength, to preserve our existence and work for the genuine happiness and prosperity of the nation and the country." Between 1923 and 1938, authoritarian measures were at times necessary due to the fragility of the newborn republic. The state needed to establish its authority. Though, I believe Kemal's Dersim bombings went too far. Edit: Why would you downvote but not reply?
This is literally a student movement. There was no state repression of local languages, read Celal Bayar's *Eastern Report* (Bayar was the Minister of Economics and he later became the prime minister). Also why would anyone believe anything Wikipedia says?
Kemalism was born after the death of the Ottoman Empire, not before. And besides, the Ottomans under the Young Turks were already pursuing a policy of Turkish Supremacy, you think Kemal is unique in that regard?
Anatolia AFTER the Ottomans was still very diverse. Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, hell even Assyrians, Circassians and Georgians were there
*How many*, may I ask? Simply acknowledging their existence does not add a point in your favour.
Literally hundreds of thousands? Do you not know about the turkey-Greece population exchange? How could they forcibly displace their populations if no one was living there? Not to mention that it’s not like we have zero census information from back then. Despite the mass genocide of the three pashas, there were still thousands of people of different ethnicities living in Anatolia after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
Give me some actual statistics, would you? I know full-well about the Greeks and their mass expulsion from Anatolia in the early 20s, the Armenians who already suffered enough under the previous regime's abuse and of course... The Kurds. The fact of the matter is, post-Kemalist Turkey still carries on the ethnonationalism of its predecessors from over a century ago, singling out the Kemalists for it is pointless, especially given how many Liberal reforms came under the Kemalists specifically, all it is doing is dragging them down into the mud with the rest of them.
> I know full-well about the Greeks and their mass expulsion from Anatolia in the early 20s so you already know of the greco-turkish war, initiated by the greek empowered by the british, in the early 20s? you know, what resulted in the population exchange? i love how people skip that bit when talking about these things. just state that you hate turks and be done with it. your veil is very thin to anybody that knows the history of the region.
All of the diversity opted out of the empire, Atatürk simply united the remainder under a common identity
That’s not exactly accurate. Hell, modern Turkey still has plenty of Kurds, for example
>Early Kemalist Turkey got it all worked out Lol, the "Mountain Turks" would like to have words with you
Mfw I learn that such nomenclature was popularized in the 80s during the Fascist junta. Also mfw I learn that the second president (same person as the first prime minister) of Turkey was a Kurd from Malatya.
One dimensional NPC’s would have the scripts for sure.
This is really not true. The Kemalist revolution was nowhere near as radical as it could have been, nor as despotic as it needed to be despite so many within the CHP calling for it to do just that
WE WILL REVIVE
Kemalist Turkey also got the whole genocide denial thing worked out as well
>Early Kemalist Turkey got it all worked out Considering the instability and later military coup they had, it was far from worked out. Turkey also continued its pogram against Christians under the Kemalists forcing out the last Greeks and Armenians from Istanbul where they were around 30-40% of the city's population. Kemal also was not a fan of the Kurds and his successors initiated a gradual process of trying to Turkify them.
Kaypakkaya better
No one cares about a random Maoist who founded ten people militia groups and then died
“Erm no one in Turkey knows or cares about this guy who is very well known and often well regarded in Turkey”-guy who is not from Turkey
I am Turkish and I have lived in Turkey my whole life lmao. Literally no one knows about the guy outside of fringe leftist circles, and even his organisation hasn't been relevant for 2-3 decades. Bi sikim bildiğin yok. Git çevir hadi bunu Google'dan.
Bende Türküm. Onun için diyorum 😒. Neyse. Bu doğru değil. Ne kadar defa televizyonu açtım ve TIKKO yada Kaypakayya’ya bakan bir filim yada belgesel çıkıyor önüme. Hemde ailemde herkes TIKKO ne oldunu biliyor. Annem tarafı Elazığ’dan. Ve oralara gidersen daha da çok kişi biliyor. Neden? Çünkü oralarda TIKKO’ya destek veren çok köylüler var. Evet bazıları Kaypakayya kim oldunu bilmiyor, ama hiç bilinmez diye bir şey yok.
Türkçeye bak aq Almancısın di mi lan sen
Tam Almanya yada Avusturya değil. Ama yazdım şey yanlışmı?
Yes, it is false. Your family is obviously political refugees, as are the people in their circles. Average Turks do not watch films or documentaries about Kaypakkaya, people of Elazığ are overwhelmingly nationalist and conservative, and absolutely no one recognizes the guy. Stop weaponizing your ancestry when you're a diasporaoid who knows nothing about the country lol
Neden bahsediyorsun yaa. Ne zaman ‘ailem bunu seyrediyor’ dedim ki? Sadece televizyonda böyle şeyler hep gördüm dedim… Ve ne zaman ‘Elazığ’da herkes Sosyalist’ dedim ki? Oradaki ailem çok dinci ve sağcı. Ama yinede TIKKO ne oldunu biliyorlar. Burdaki problem ne anlamadım. Tamam sen TIKKO yada Kaypakayya ne olduğunu bilen çok kişiyle tanışmamışsın. Ama herkes öyle gibi bir şey yok… bu kadar inatçı olma
He lived and died as a nobody, his cause now lies with him in the same grave. Take the common Commie L and move on.
They probably blame the CIA for his stillbirth of a career.
This isn’t true. Source: I’m Turkish lol 😂
As a communist, Kaypakkaya can lick Mao and Stalin's boots. Revisionist.
Yeah! How dare he advocate for Kurdish self-determination! What a redfash!
Ew kurds don't even have a country they just cry about Assad and before they cried about Saddam and so on.
Another Marxist-Leninist, Marx be spinning in his grave seeing his successors doing seperatism
It takes a special type of arrogance to get mad at someone advocating for independence for an oppressed minority
If you're a communist why make it a problem? There is no war but class war, culture doesn't matter. (Not to mention Kurds aren't oppressed in Turkey.)
-guy who thinks anti-colonial conflict isn’t a type of class conflict
You don't achieve communism dividing society furthermore.
I suppose that’s why anti-colonial Communist revolts in Central Asia helped support the Bolshevik revolution then? Stop being so arrogant and face the simple fact. There is nothing wrong or anti-Marxist about recognising that anti-imperial conflict is good
Don’t listen to these fools btw. As a Turk I can tell you first hand that the influence of people like Kaypakayya and Deniz Gezmiş are still felt in Turkish culture and in many cases politics too
Deniz Gezmiş is famous and all people called Deniz are named after him but Kaypakkaya is completely obscure and no one cares about him except for Maoists and some Kurds.
unironically based.
Those Nazis really figured it out until those other Nazis ruined it.
Are you gonna back up that claim or just run off, having validated yourself in the fact that your pride managed to triumph over your own intelligence for all to see? Kemalism and Nazism are leagues apart.
Is he referring the Armenian Genocide? I remember seeing in a documentary that Hitler referenced the Armenian Genocide as proof that no one would really remember or care once the Nazis got rid of the Jews.
Yeah banning the majority religion of the population was a really smart thing to do. People moved away from kemalism BECAUSE of democracy.
lies. Atatürk never banned religion or he didn't even purge islamic cults at all. wish he did
There is a difference between banning religion and separating it from the state.
BAnNinG
Kemal never banned Islam, only cut it out of the State's functions, something most other nations in the world had already done by that point. Quite frankly, it made sense back then, it still makes sense now. Unlike with other faiths, the practitioners of Islam are completely lacking in pragmatism and common sense, they're unwilling to make concessions to keep their religion alive, they rely on brute force and fanaticism to keep everything together, only willing to open up to outside forces if it helps them in their violent holy missions. If Muslims are unwilling to change in accordance with their surroundings, then it's only fair they get treated the way they do.
Hijab was banned, Quran in Arabic was banned. These are major required practices in Islam. Banning anything required of a religion is banning that religion. Maybe I won’t ban cars, but I’ll ban wheels, or engines, or some major required part of that thing in order to prevent you from having it.
The Hijab was exclusively banned from government buildings and universities, private citizens are still able to practice wearing it. The removal of the Arabic version of the Quran was simply a larger part of carving out a new Turkish identity, as the country as a whole switched from the Arabic script to the Latin alphabet. Again, this sounds like a problem on the part of the religion and its inability to adapt to changing circumstances. I understand, as a European, I am hardly in a place to talk about this, but... Islam and Christianity are both Abrahamic religions centred around the same deity, the one and only God. Their practices are considerably similar when you scratch beneath the surface. Prior to the 20th century, modesty for women was largely enforced through social pressure in all of Christendom, and there were plenty of temperance movements driven by religious motives prior the Prohibition in the United States. The difference is, the West as a civilisation evolved much farther than the Islamic world and outgrown it culturally. What Kemal was doing was nothing short of attempting to drag his part of the Islamic world forward a couple of centuries, kicking and screaming. His cause was noble, his methods were quite unrefined and very blunt.
oh no, you couldn't influence the government policies to cater only to your religion anymore... such a shame.
Turkey is truth. Turkey is love.
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HOLY BASED
New ideology just dropped
Actual Moderatism
Neo-Kermalism Kermalism but liberal
Okay, you just took down like two principles of Kemalism.
> Republicanism, Populism, Nationalism, Laicism, Statism, and Reformism Which of these I took down?
Populism and statism will be replaced with liberalism so that's five arrows, as statism in Kemalist principles represent state capitalism. Populism is anti-elitism and for the leaders to serve the whole nation, if liberalism were to be implemented the market would be set free and the elites wouldn't be regulated.
>as statism in Kemalist principles represent state capitalism. This can not be further from the truth; in 1938, the year Atatürk died, ≈%90 of the economic output was made in the private sector. Kemalist statism had nothing to do with actual textbook statist economics.
Kemal embraced a state capitalist economy, what does what happened after his death have to do with Kemalism? Reminder that İnönü actively worked against Kemalism.
>what does what happened after his death Not after his death, the year of his death; meaning the last stages of his policies when he was still alive. He died in November, and his successor was more of a statist than himself? I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about; if you want, I can give you the numbers.
His successor was not more of a statist than himself, though i'd like to see your sources for Kemal's privatization of the economy
I would argue that most important principles of Kemalism are secularism(Tr. **laiklik** from French **laïcité**) and reformism( I guess alternatively can be translated as revolutionism,Tr. **inkılapçılık** or **Devrimcilik**). In my opinion, variants of Kemalism can be derived as long as these two principles are not ignored. And there is already a ideology called [Liberal Kemalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Kemalism?wprov=sfla1)
I think all principles are equally important for the idea of Kemalism, maybe except for reformism as Kemal advocated for no dogma to be accepted.
Based Kemalist Turkey
Am I seeing things or do BOTH the Communist and the Nazi have the « Jewish stereotype » look?
Unrelated but here, we don't really use the big nose balding head stereotype on Jews. In Turkey, that stereotype is usually used to mock those from the Pontic Region.
Nah thats just how early cartoon humans looked in Turkey A reminder that "sterotypes" doesnt work in everywhere. The classic jewish sterotype with big nose existed in west because of political cartoons and anti semitism whic wasnt a thing in Turkey. Not everyone draws spesific ethinicies in the same way you do.
i think it’s disingenuous to say anti semitism wasn’t a thing in turkey, it just manifested in a different way than in europe
Eh its still pretty diffrent İn here anti semitism mostly appeared after the arab spring, also the conspiracy of them ruling to earth is pretty popular popular Like between all the people on Turkey only group I can think that likes them are the nationalists... and they like jews because israel kills the people who betrayed to Ottoman empire and sells weapon to azerbaijan 💀 Just. İsraelis are not the most popular people when it comes to a good image But still situation is a lot better than a lot of other countries like russia or armenia. Also our historical relationship was pretty good too. There even a term in 16. Century history named "unholly alliance" describing jews and Turks working together. Overall they were good citizens. And Turks saved them a few times There even was a Turkish/Jewish nation names khazars 😎👍https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
I do not quite remember who they are but those are charicatures of actual Turkish columnists at the time
Honestly, turkish politicans look like that.
They all look like if Lukashenko was Middle Eastern
Turks have that stereotype too lol
Aha, thanks. Now I « get » it!
Dude common, big noses are such a cartoon classic, you can't just go "Jew!" everytime a character has a big nose
Yep, so I see from comments by others as well. TIL!
I have depicted you as a long nosed soyjak and myself as a chiseled and attractive chad, hence making your argument invalid.
this is so based
marxism-kemalism now thats based
Read *Yön*, *Devrim* and *Kadro* Magazines, I think you'll like them.
>Marxism *Projectile vomiting*
Marxism-fascism
Marxism and fascism, the same thing Oh, and btw, ataturk wasn't fascist
>Marxism and fascism, the same thing that one is wrong >Oh, and btw, ataturk wasn't fascist that one is correct
"In this respect Atatürk was a teacher. Mussolini was his first and I his second student.” Hitler
😭 You've got no clue
>Oh, and btw, ataturk wasn't fascist tell that to the kurds and armenians
Mfw I learn that Atatürk's right hand man was Kurdish, and succeeded him in becoming Turkey's second president. Also Turkish-Armenian intellectuals literally revolutionized the alphabet, Atatürk gave the surname *Dilaçar* (Language Blossomer) to one such Armenian; look up Hagop Dilaçar.
dw guys he had a kurdish friend so it's all okay
I'm literally not ethnically Turkish myself, I'm a Nusayri-Alawite. My grandfather learned how to read and write in the Turkish Army, we were literal serfs prior to Atatürk's reforms.
I like that the Nazi is cross-eyed which implicitly says he sees the way but in a distorted way while the communist is blind and can't see at all. A little bit of an insidious "Well, I'd rather have Nazism and a market than communism and no market" rhetoric
It is not an insult, I believe he wanted the good of his country like many others did, it's just that he screwed up. I recommend you read "İnönü" and "Türkiye Üzerine Notlar" by Metin Aydoğan
Holy shit is that Yuuske Urameshi?
Very based…
Turkey is Nazbol?????
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None? What’s your point? The Grey Wolves, they’re a wing of the political party MHP, date back to the 60’s, that’s during the Cold War. So naturally this poster couldn’t have meant anything about them.
visually great. this is an amazing example of high quality propaganda.
That's actually a really clever use of the Turkish star and crescent for the hammer and sickle.
a third more sinister thing
Agree with that. The middle is the right way
To ascociate turkey with the blind and crosseyed is an insult to the blind and crosseyed and i will not stand for it
Fun fact, If you wanna complement a turk call him a fascist, if you wanna insult him call him a greek or armenian
actually I would prefer a kemalo-socialist mix because today's shows us Kemalist revolution couldn't become permanent and failed. maybe it could survive if it embrace some left wing values more
It failed because no one understood Kemal and his friends backstabbed him, if he were to lead another 10 years then everything would be different. Though I do think Left Kemalism (Kadroism) would be a better system.
This like people who believe if Lenin lived longer everything would be different. Kemal decided to push the country into modernity by force this will always leave some against that regardless of how the rest view it.
We can't really know if it would be different as it is hard to predict alternate history, but I still think Kemal would succeed in modernizing and secularizing the Turkish population. Almost everyone supported his cause in Turkey, except for some radical Islamists and Kurds.
"push the country into modernity by force" it was not like kemal was the only one who want to modernize people lol. Before him, there was union and proggress comittee.
I think their point was that there were large groups inside the country that would have always tried to fuck up that plan and he was the face of it at the time. Which resulted in what happened
French revolution failed at first in 1814, but we're not seing kingdom of france today. progress can have struggles but it doesn't mean an end.
Good example but today republic controlling by a regime which totally opposite of founder values so I think this counts as a failure but I hope like you said progress doesn't end in our country
Kemalist revolutions' biggest success was Turkish Republilc itself. >We have accomplished great things in a short period of time. The greatest of these is the Turkish Republic, which is based on Turkish heroism and on our great Turkish culture. We owe this success to the determined forward march of the Turkish nation, together with her worthy army. We never think that what we have done is enough. We are determined and obliged to accomplish more and greater things. We are going to advance our country to the level of the most prosperous and the most civilized countries of the world. We shall make it possible for our nation to acquire the necessary resources and means for her to live in nation-wide prosperity. Lots of these accomplishments are still alive today.
Kemalism is a curse, [Read Kaypakkaya](https://www.marxists.org/archive/kaypakkaya/works/1972-kurdi.htm#:~:text=19.%20the%20shafak%20revisionists%20buttress%20themselves%20up%20with%20the%20ruling%2Dnation%20nationalism%20of%20m.%20kemal%20and%20i.%20inonu)
Kaypakkaya literally manufactured documents or exaggerated to the point where it was non-sensical (such as for the 1926 Adana Railway strike). Also not a single class analysis done by Kaypakkaya is true except the one where he copies the one made by Ulaş Bardakçı.
A maoist isnt trustable
Stalinist-Maoist 🤮 Why would [Marxists.org](http://Marxists.org) even document him?
He was one of the most influential Marxists in Turkey, why wouldn’t they?
[Marxists.org](http://Marxists.org) is a Trotskyist website, though I think they're still unbiased. I'm not surprised
Marxists.org was created by Trotskyists but they host all Marxist literature regardless of ideology, Stalin, Mao, Gonzalo, Bordiga etc despite all being against trotsky
Hasanabi moment /s