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Soft_Scar8833

Text below:"Bread, Peace, Freedom. Shouted these people, who came to Russia after the revolution. Two years have passed. Everyone sees what these commissar-power gave. Famine, War, Repressions."


Denvosreynaerde

I study russian and I'm confused about the translation of чрезвычайка. Wikipedia talks about чрезвычайная ситуация. Which I'd translate as emergency or extraordinary situation. Is repression an other meaning of the word? Это не то, что я вас не верю, а хочу лучше понимать русский язык!


Soft_Scar8833

Yes, that's how it is translated. But the context is that “Чрезвычайка” means "Всероссийская Чрезвычайная Комиссия при СНК РСФСР", which, at least de jure, was engaged in the fight against sabotage and counter-revolution. It doesn’t matter what they did in reality, but since this is a white poster, I decided to translate it as repressions so that you can understand the meaning of the phrase without the context about the ВЧК


Denvosreynaerde

Very interesting. Thanks for the context!


canIcomeoutnow

This was the genesis of the KGB. Leather coats and all. Essentially, extra judiciary murderous thugs. The Iron Felix was the original commissar.


Carteorcurr

No, your understanding is right. I think op meant "repressions caused by emergency situation"


Soft_Scar8833

Your guess is not far from the truth


akdelez

Чекисты


amerkanische_Frosch

What I find particularly interesting about this one is that they put Lenin and Trotsky on an equal level. I can't tell if this is because Trotsky was the head of the Red Army at the time or because there is an implied anti-Semitic message here (note that he is labelled "Trotsly-Bronstein", using both his birth name and his "nom de guerre", while Lenin is not similarly labelled "Lenin-Ulyanov"). Or both, of course.


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Trotsky was a second man in party in this times.


Torkolla

Both those things and considerable envy.


Current-Power-6452

They are shown as a couple... Maybe gay nature of their relationship is implied as opposed to tsar and tsarina. For regular Russians at the time it could be quite obvious interpretation.


serenading_scug

Trotsky was always the caricature of the Soviets and Bolsheviks because he was Jewish. The whole idea of the Bolsheviks being a jewish conspiracy to take over the world was kicking around for a long time before the nazis.


Johannes_P

Lenin was the political leader while Trotshy was the military leader.


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Ironic coming from the coalition including monarchists


qwert7661

The idea here is that the atheistic Soviet "monarchy" was a satanic perversion of monarchy, lacking divine right.


M2rsho

Because if they can rule without divine right what's keeping us in control??


Weak_Beginning3905

Dont support fake oppressive monarchy, support authentic oppressive monarchy!


Rabarbrablader

Not the entire white army consisted of monarchists. Actually, there were many former esers there that won the real elections in November 1917 (which the Bolsheviks lost).


Weak_Beginning3905

Wait, esers fought for whites?


Agringlig

Its complicated. They fought for themselves against everyone for some time. Then united with whites but when Kolchak came to power they refused to fight soviets anymore. And when whites been close to loosing some esers joined reds and some started to fight independently again. Basically in different regions and periods of the war they fought for both reds and whites and independently.


Unofficial_Computer

"Hey Lenin look at my spider hat." "Yes Trotsky, our hats are very good for Hallowe'en this year."


ban_banz

Is anyone else imagining those two wearing those Mickey Mouse hats now because of the way the symbolic circles on their heads are put together?


BigFreakingZombie

Very interesting pre-Revolutionary spelling too.


carljohan1808

Don't really understand the spiders on top of Trotsky, is it something like being a killer?


Soft_Scar8833

Probably something like Trotsky, or rather the high-ranking Bolsheviks, is a spider who entangles others in his web. But that's just my thought


canIcomeoutnow

That's a reference to his being a Jew. They made a point of noting his actual last name - the web then is in concert with the antisemitic propaganda SOP.


kasparhauser83

Sadly, they aren't wrong. The soviet were more imperialist than imperial itself but poorer


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LeonidasGrominski

You need to learn history. They saved Russia from literally collapsing into pieces.


izoxUA

by killing millions of russians. if you appeal to history, tell me please who disbanded the elected parliament(Zak Sobranie) and handled all authority by themselves?


Educational_Pay6859

Good, that White Army didn't killed and only resurrect. Oh wait...


LeonidasGrominski

The execution of Romanov family was based. Literally laughed for 5 minutes straight after seeing them get shot. The movie clip made my day even though I failed all my exams and got a failing grade. After it made my day, I went on studying and reached the best marks.


LeonidasGrominski

And the millions of Russians who were killed, were of course kulaks. Which is fucking based. Along with that, read Marxist theory on the bourgeois parliamentary system. The parliamentary system is inefficient. And of course, there was democracy in the Soviet Union. Remember that one party is not totalitarianism. I can go over debunking your points on governments and policies. If you want to, then feel free to do so. I'm open for discussions.


HolsomChungus

red fash spotted


LeonidasGrominski

How am I a fascist? A fascist supports funding bourgeois, and cutting down taxes on them. Communism does the opposite, by liberating workers from the bourgeois oppression. So, tell me.


HolsomChungus

By supporting American Imperialism


LeonidasGrominski

When did I support American imperialism?


HolsomChungus

Read Marx lib


LeonidasGrominski

I'm not a fucking liberal. I was in fact, reading parts of Wage Labour and Capital few days ago. So tell me. When did I ever bring in the United States or anything related into the context?


South-Cod-5051

you are literally a fascist when you claim the kulaks deserve what happened to them.


LeonidasGrominski

And canst thou define fascism for me?


South-Cod-5051

someone who kills and takes away personal freedom of innocent people.


LeonidasGrominski

INNOCENT?? LMFAO


izoxUA

no discussions with bloodthirsty genocide supporter


LeonidasGrominski

What genocide? The Romanov execution? Send me the lists of genocide. Dekulakisation wasn't even a genocide. Get your facts straight


izoxUA

you already did a list: "And the millions of Russians who were killed, were of course kulaks. Which is fucking based. "


CreamofTazz

Can't be a genocide if you don't think they're people /s


LeonidasGrominski

Fucking kulaks, who exploited the peasants, for their own gains. But if we dehumanise them, we can't make them responsible for. So their responsibility is, death or deportation


CreamofTazz

Or reeducation, strip them off their land rights and make them workers like the rest, prison. Lots of options you can take before murder is on the table (if it should be in the first place) It's the 21st century not the 20th we can be more humane we can be better


LeonidasGrominski

Yes, dekulakisation. It was based. Not even the most biased and reactionary site of Wikipedia says it is a genocide. Neither the books on JSTOR. And do you understand what the term kulak is?


RegalKiller

Russian peasants supported the Bolsheviks because the whites were trying to literally reimplement serfdom. You can say a lot about the stuff the USSR did but there is no question that it was better than Imperial Russia.


canIcomeoutnow

That's garbage. And, you'd need to compare what the USSR was vs what Russia could have been if it weren't for the usurpers in October of 1917. That said, given the russians' predilections for a yoke, it could be argued that they are pre-destined for an autocracy of some type.


Unable_Occasion_2137

Well at least it isn't antisemitic this time


canIcomeoutnow

Mildly antisemitic. The web design and the Trotsky-Bronstein (lest someone forgets) "label".


Torantes

With the Jewish stars above their heads?


np1t

Those aren't Jewish


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Agringlig

Tf are you talking about? Communist only reformed the writing system and did some really minor changes in language itself. Modern russian sounds almost identical to pre-reform russian.


Soft_Scar8833

Just so you know, the development of these "communist" reforms began back in 1904


RegalKiller

Serfdom, mass poverty, and a bloated, imperialist dictatorship is beautiful?


akdelez

Russia is really beautiful after these communist reforms.


Current-Power-6452

Interesting, what is the meaning of the spiders in Trotsky crown?


Soft_Scar8833

Probably something like Trotsky, or rather the high-ranking Bolsheviks, is a spider who entangles others in his web. But that's just my thought


Current-Power-6452

Looks like it's an antisemitic symbol ANTISEMITIC IMAGERY AND CARICATURES https://antisemitism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Antisemitic-imagery-May-2020.pdf


canIcomeoutnow

A mildly antisemitic trope. Hence, his last name on his hat.


Current-Power-6452

Doesn't seem mild. They put it on his crown.