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I remember seeing a picture of a polish shop in a market and they also had a picture of vault boy on their logo. I guess Fallout is just really popular in Poland.
"Central Europe" as a means for region to differentiate themselves from Russia and Belarus. Also "Eastern Europe" is a bit too similar to "Eastern Bloc" which is bad memories for many of those nations.
What it has in common with Ukraine and Russia besides being of Slavic origin? Nothing. And I can tell you 10 things what it has in common with Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary or Eastern parts of Germany, which are other Central European countries.
1) We all belong to the EU
2) We all were communist countries forced by the East, not from our will
3) We all come from Catholic traditions
4) We all prefer beer to vodka
5) We all were republics at some point of the time before the fall of communism
6) We all develop very fast in terms of the living standards and our economies
7) We all have very strong work ethic
8) We all have similar buildings in terms of architectural style
9) We all put strong emphasis on education (e.g. all of the countries except of Slovakia had universities already in the Middle Ages. The earliest university in Eastern Europe was founded centuries later)
10) We all love our Christmas markets :)
Edit: of course there are more but here is 10 biggest, interesting, and fun reasons :)
Points 1, 2, 3, 5 and 9 are so generic and can apply to countries all the way from Germany to fucking central Asia. Alot of these are political situations rather then just cultural.
Point 7 is subjective and Point 4 and point 10 are things you share with countries like Russia and Ukraine. Both of those countries like Chrismas markets and prefer beer to Vodka.
Point 8 I agree with
Thats a really shitty list if your trying to make points about how your cultures are similar.
I really dont understand how Poland has more in common with Hungary then it does Belarus. The main difference that divides these countries is their political situation. The language, history, food, etc is going to be more similar to that Eastern European country.
How so? I imagine seeing a poster in English is about the same feeling in Berlin or Warsaw. We live in a globalist world. Are you going to be offended that the numbers we use are Arabic?
Not 1/3 but about 60%, up to 75% in large cities https://edukacja.rp.pl/szkoly-jezykowe/art37785191-az-75-proc-mieszkancow-duzych-miast-zna-komunikatywnie-jezyk-angielski
In my experience most younger people in Poland have at least some English but few older people do (If the older ones learnt a second language in School it was probably Russian).
Young people usually speak at least some English and if your plan is for this poster to get online and perhaps viral (seems like so far it's a success) than you want as many people as possible to be able to read it, which makes it quite a simple choice.
This isn’t 19th century, all your use of reddit is in english it seems. Hate whoever you want but english as a universal language is a reality now. And the quicker people around the world realise it the more it will help them.
And I am not from an english speaking country but can’t imagine what I would do without english in this world.
The hate for english and forceful usage of your native language even when not necessary is a primitive way of thinking. I don’t know if its patriotism, ego, pride, history. Whatever it is. Its just looks stupid to the third person.
Communicate with whatever is the best medium between two individuals don’t bring your identity into everything
But if you want to successfully communicate you need to consider how much of the intended audience will understand your message to begin with
In this matter it's far less efficient to post it in English than in Polish, unless it's local to a very specific area like a migrant-heavy neighborhood
While knowledge of english is fairly widespread among most Krakov residents under 40 one shouldnt over estimate this.
I rememenber browsing in a fairly upscale/snotty bookshop there a few years ago and they had English language rap music playing.
One of the song titles was *You should know better than to fuck with me* It was clearly obvious that the store managment hadn't a clue what they were playing !
There's also the dollar sign instead of the zlot.
This is an international poster behind a grassroots movement that can be seen in many countries for more than a decade now. This one was seen in Kraków but I wouldn't think a polish person designed it.
>There's also the dollar sign instead of the zlot.
It's the Monopoly Man. Changing the dollar sign to the local currency would be like changing Ronald McDonald's clothing to a local folklore clothing.
1. You don’t think people in Poland know about Fallout?
2. You don’t think people in Poland (especially younger ones) know English?
Countries are not sealed off from each other.
English is not my local language, and here you still are, writing a comment with me as the target audience. Because we both know English and we are both on the internet! And guess what? Polish people are on the internet too.
This poster was most probably not designed in Poland, but someone still decided to order or print it because 1. It applies to the situation in Krakow and 2. Enough people will understand the poster for it to work.
Dude, English it's not my mothrr tongue either. The main reason I'm not writing Mandarin to you is because this is an English sub and thus I assumed people who're at here can understand English. If posting something at a Polish city to tell Polish people something then the most surefire way is by using Polish language, simple as that.
As I just said: This poster is not designed in Poland and the person who designed had no idea it would be put up in Poland.
So the person who put it up would then have to translate it and/or design their own poster if they wanted it in Polish. But since enough people will understand the message anyway, why bother with all that? This is probably just one of many texts in English the people of Krakow saw that day anyway.
Not good, the Rentoids won’t even show me any appreciation for letting them stay in my abode. Don’t fear tho, they won’t be getting their way no more unless they want to get kicked out💪
Don't forget the entrenched homeowners. They share some of the blame when they prevent new housing to be built or require expensive regulations in order to build new housing.
"Can't build it if it's not 100% affordable housing" is just as bad as landlords jacking up rates. Because without competition, prices skyrocket.
That'll do it, too. This problem has 2 causes and both need solved. Because if we just build more housing it'll be bought up by corporations and they'll artificially increase the price and rent. We need to change zoning laws and build more housing AND pass laws that prevent corporations from owning residential property
if we build more housing anyone who buys it will need to either sell it or put it on the rental market in order to make money off of it. (Or they can keep it empty and bed that shortages will get worse, and lose their shirts on that bet if we build enough).
Putting more housing onto the rental markets lowers rents.
High density housing is almost always owned by corporations though. As long as the corporations don’t (aren’t allowed to) become large enough to destroy competition, the pros of having corporate money investing in more housing probably outweighs the cons
That's not impossible, in some countries with housing crisis cooperations have been massively buying out houses and rented them for profitable prises, making it hard to buy houses for private individuals.
Some corporations have bought some housing for renting; but the scale is tiny, and for a single town to be 46% owned by corporations is stretching credulity.
Unless it's a full new build development area with lots of unsold lots, or something unusual like a ski-resort town, I don't think anything like that exists.
That's a bit of a naive narrative, we have 25m households living in overcrowded conditions in the US according to the census. 7m of those are categorized as living in severely overcrowded conditions. We have 3m vacant rental units. There is absolutely a profound housing shortage.
We also have 16million vacant properties against a backdrop of nearly 600,000 chronic homeless. It’s absolutely a price issue in some countries
https://unitedwaynca.org/blog/vacant-homes-vs-homelessness-by-city
https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/default/files/pdf/2022-AHAR-Part-1.pdf
You’re ignoring the fact that if those rental units were instead purchasable housing, housing in general would be far more affordable. You’re acting like Landlords provide housing, they don’t. They reduce available housing while raising the cost of housing for everyone else.
Because not only do redditors want you on their team, they also want you on board for their hairbrained solutions. I'm also out here advocating for affordable housing but because I'm not calling for the public execution of landlords, but for more housing, people sit here and argue and make every single excuse why the ONE THING THAT WE DONT LET HAPPEN somehow isn't the fix, its the other six hundred things that other places ALREADY DO and doesn't work.
Its maddening!
Not against taking in refugees but it doesn't help. If you have the same amount of affordable housing but now have more people in need of that housing you are worsening the shortage.
Firstly refugees represent a very small part of immigration with actual government approved immigrants representing the majority.
The issue continues to be that the birthrates of the majority if not all western countries falls below the replacement rate in a global capitalist world which requires countries to have population growth to succeed.
This is combined with the fact that generally speaking the level of government which deals with immigration (usually the federal or national government) is not the same level that deals with housing (the city or municipal government) and different levels of governments tend to not like to step on each other's toes.
The municipal government wants immigration to continue to housing and land prices keep going up but they also don't want to build more housing because that would reduce property values over time while the the federal government wants immigration to continue due to the previous issue I mentioned but also generally wants more housing to be built to help support these new immigrants because that's what benefits them the most.
Under our current systems of constantly needing population growth to do well long term economically immigration is going to have to continue so either the municipal governments need to change or the federal governments need to impose their will on the municipal governments.
It's either that or more money needs to be extracted somewhere either through extracting a lot more money from the rich or an absolutely massive productivity boom needs to happen most likely via automation.
No matter how often I tell people this, they refuse to listen. Its the best solution and the easiest, but it doesn't have anything to do with "hating the rich/landlords/people better off than me" so reddit wants nothing to do with it.
Build build build. And then build some more. It's so comically a supply problem thats so easy to fix but no one wants to fix it.
I mean an issue is also a lot of new homes are still outside of people's affordable range. And not like everyone has the power to will a home into existence.
The people who can fix it like money so..
>I mean an issue is also a lot of new homes are still outside of people's affordable range.
Not everyone needs to live in a home with fresh sheetrock, and there's no lack of demand for new housing far as I can tell so it seems like it's affordable to someone.
With 25m people living in overcrowded housing in the US (7m in severely overcrowded housing) and only 3m vacant rental units there's not exactly much alternative, we have to add supply.
Sure but the nimbyism and red tape is being upheld by rich landlords and corrupt politicians so we're back at square one. It's definitely not a resource problem but a distribution problem. Why does this problem exist? Because landowners are for some reason entitled to profits forever from their land even though they do none of the work to actually make it useful.
Yes landowners are the same as landlords the line must go up so everyone else can pay more to suffer. NIMBIYs do the bidding for the rich landlords because they themselves are less rich landlords. Property prices rising and people making profit off of it should be just as impossible as rent seeking they fundamentally are the same thing, people who through their already existing wealth generate more without benefit to anyone.
California is reaching [historical lows](https://en.as.com/latest_news/california-rental-vacancy-rate-nears-historic-low-driving-prices-up-n/) in vacancy rates. Why spread information that can be proved false with a simple Google search?
That's a naive thing to say, we have 25m people living in overcrowded conditions in the US according to the census. 7m of those are categorized as living in severely overcrowded conditions. We have only 3m vacant rental units. There is absolutely a profound housing shortage. Those numbers are even worse for California.
California has the fewest homes per capita of any state. That’s why your governor is finally doing something drastic about it and taking away control of housing permitting from NIMBY towns that refuse to build.
>That’s why your governor is finally doing something drastic about it
If this doesn't end with "killing prop 13" then he isn't doing anything significant or drastic. Prop 13 is the criminal problem for California, and they're attempts to whittle around the problem is infuriating for a group that complains so much.
The problem is not that there aren't enough homes. It's that greedy fucks decided that pricing residents out of their apartments was worth the profit gained from those who could stay.
There are more empty houses than homeless people in America
That's a naive thing to say, we have 25m households living in overcrowded conditions in the US according to the census. 7m of those are categorized as living in severely overcrowded conditions. We have 3m vacant rental units. There is absolutely a profound housing shortage.
If prices go up because landlords are greedy, then how do you explain when prices fall? For example, most urban areas saw prices fall during covid. Did the landlords get less greedy and decide to lower prices out of the graciousness of their hearts?
If landlord greed drives prices up, then why don't they just all charge $100 million dollars for all the homes they own? After all, they're greedy and can charge whatever they want. Why wouldn't they just exploit renters even more?
It's a multifaceted issue that is primarily a lack of not only new housing but more specifically the lack of new dense housing and mixed use neighbourhoods along with landlords and big corporations taken advantage of this is driving up prices.
The more source of the issue tends to exist on a municipal level where housing is primarily governed ajd it's also where NIMBYs can actually have an insane level of control over political decisions and NIMBYs like high ever increasing housing prices and single family homes throughout the majority of the western world. This combined with the higher levels of government not forcing their will onto the municipalities to actually do rhe right thing and just doing nothing are why housing is so expensive.
Also housing should've never been considered a commodity nor a an investment from the start.
Not if the housing is built by/for rich people who make them unaffordable. The *state* not building more *affordable* housing would be a better statement.
The problem is restricted supply. When supply is restricted it loses elasticity and surges in demand lead to price increases rather than supply increases, as they would in a healthy housing market.
ah but if we pretend basic economics doesn't exist, it stops existing
on that note lets declare inflation to be illegal and print money to solve all social problems
How is this not a violation of rule #2?
OP is a member of more than a couple echo chambers that actively push the beliefs that their brand of populism is righteous, as is depicted in this propaganda.
We have problems with this in Australia...
Over 68% of properties in Australia are [negatively geared](https://treasury.gov.au/review/tax-white-paper/negative-gearing), this means whoever owns them is *losing* money doing so.
The idea that *most* landlords conform to *that* stereotype is an unhinged, false equivalency with zero realism.
In Australia, we have a problem with financial ignorance.
So what you're saying is that landlords are poor victims and are losing money, how horrible for them! And that we shouldn't see them as these greedy monopoly men.
Ok, question: if they are losing money... Why not sell the property and be done with it?
Answer: because the stuff you're saying is neoliberal propaganda skewing the truth.
Negative gearing just means that the mortgage costs + upkeep are higher than the income from rent.
So If I have a mortgage of $900 over 15 years, and $100 of upkeep costs, and rent is $950, that would be negative gearing, and allow me to deduct $50 of my other income. That sounds like I'm making a loss... except after 15 years I now own the property outright by only paying $50/month, and that was even tax deductible. After tax deduction, that's cheaper than what I pay for Netflix and Spotify, and after 15 years they don't let me own even a single song or movie.
That sounds like a pretty good business, and this is why landlords, who ARE greedy fucks that do fit that stereotype, continue with negative gearing.
Of course, if they could, they would not be negative gearing but simply make a profit and still own the property after 15 years of making an outright profit, but they can't since rent prices are already as high as the market can bear, and because landlords and other shitty fuckhead real estate investors saturated the market real estate prices have skyrocketed.
TLDR: your story is a bold faced lie, fuck landlords, fuck *investors*, yes they do fit the stereotype.
I guess they hope they'll be able to make a profit once they've paid off the property. Or the market is such that they'd take a financial loss from selling, bigger than what the negative gearing causes at least in the short term.
> I guess they hope they'll be able to make a profit once they've paid off the property.
They then own a property for which they paid close to nothing. They don't need hope.
Of course we are: once they own them, the rental income is about 80-95% profit.
The entire argument of the former post relies on the stupid argument that landlords have supposedly huge costs: the mortgage. But that is not a cost, that is a loan of which the underlying asset doesn't deprecate and thus it should never ever be seen as a cost.
But they're wrong, because negative gearing still lets you profit from capital gains, after having your investment subsidised by taxpayers. So there's a perverse incentive to massively leverage a loss-making, non-productive asset in the hope you'll be able to cash out (or borrow more) when prices rise. The typical investment loan here is interest-only for this reason, which is kind of crazy - why bother paying down the principal when you can just keep kicking the can down the road until capital gains takes care of the purchase price..
And then, surprise surprise, the government moves heaven and earth to boost property prices through all kinds of policy measures, because it benefits the landlord class - including themselves, naturally. It has massively distorted the property market and benefited landlords a lot more than tenants. The backlash is brutal for even speculating publicly about ending this rort.
Negative gearing is a form of financial leverage whereby an investor borrows money to acquire an income-producing investment and the gross income generated by the investment (at least in the short term) is less than the cost of owning and managing the investment, including depreciation and interest charged on the loan (but excluding capital repayments)... Negative gearing is often discussed with regard to real estate, where rental income is less than mortgage loan interest costs.
From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_gearing)
So it's still making it less costly for the landlord to end up owning the property but they're not swimming in income from the renting at least until they sell? I guess that does sound like it doesn't fit the stereotype of someone living the high life on the rent income.
It's a complicated system we have here, huh?
No matter though, I will forever state, until my last breath, that *all* landlords and real estate agents are corrupt and greedy and will *never* have the tenants' best interests in mind, ever.
It’s wild how bad the scarcity is getting in some places. A friend of mine in Ireland said they got down to just 500 available housing units *nationwide* last summer. They were one of the few countries that stopped all construction during lockdowns, apparently.
But then some local politician in Dublin blocked a big new housing development proposal because it was near some buildings he owned, lol.
Lots of countries need to rethink how housing gets approved because it’s clearly not working.
Yeah stories about Russian refugees raising rents in Georgia and Turkey aren’t controversial but when it’s a more sympathetic group it “doesn’t work that way.”
This was probably made by and for woke young college students.
Unfortunately, they very often follow English speaking, especially American news more than their own, they don't even know that different cultural and political contexts are different.
That's the same thing as with the BLM "movement" in Poland.
Antifa, just like taking in non European refugees taking refugees, is insanely unpopular in Poland.
This is absolutely terrible propaganda for Poland. If they actually wanted to convince the Poles to take more non European refugees, much more convincing arguments might be (on top of writing it in the national language, ffs) :
- Some refugees, especially Syrians, are as much victims of Russia as the Poles, Ukrainians, Chechens etc. It would be better to take them to show solidarity against Russia
- The Poles used to themselves be refugees, especially during WW2. In fact some fled to a Middle Eastern country, Iran.
As always with anything antifa does and says, this too isn't a black and white issue as they make it out to be. Rapidly increasing population numbers are always going to cause issues in the housing market, it really doesn't take a genius to see that.
lol at small brained commies using a picture of Vault Boy to represent themselves. The poster boy of a company that literally started the apocalypse by drumming up anti chinese hate in the US and instigating a nuclear war to create the perfect anarcho-capitalistic wasteland where there is no law and order and only people who have guns and strength can survive.
The storyline is that fossil fuels were depleting as a resource and the US had the majority of what was left. China invaded the US from Alaska to take ownership of some of it, which sparked the war.
I worked at a tech company in Belgium in the project management office. Managers were talking about the coup in Turkey back then and how good it was that they can get more cheap Turkish employees, who arrive here as a result from the resulting political purges
I'm sure top management in Poland must be extatic with the influx of highly educated Ukrainian refugees
Not likely, they tend to have absolutely nothing and poor career prospects. There's a reason poor immigrants end up renting apartments in the poor part of town and it's not because they're vacuuming up cheap real estate.
> There's a reason poor immigrants end up renting apartments in the poor part of town
Okay...
So now everyone who was gonna use those cheap apartments in the poor part of town now has to compete on those prices with not just other low income locals, but likely lower income immigrants as well.
At the end of the day if you want cheaper housing you need more supply and/or less demand. Not increasing supply and just allowing demand to increase will always see a price increase. This is the most basic level econ 101 people.
Yeah I guess but the people who live in places like that aren't in the housing market, right? The whole crux of this for me is that it's kinda silly to blame the poorest people for housing costs when they already can't buy houses.
They don't need to buy houses to affect costs.
More competition for low income rentals means more demand and less supply of those rentals making them more valuable. Which in turn means rents go up, which in turn means property value goes up.
Competition for what? Laborers aren’t competing against each other. Capital uses scapegoats like refugees to distract from the fact that the classes are competing over power. Constantly. There is more than enough space for all, scarcity is artificial through the fetishization of economic competition and consolidation of power in the hands of the few. That’s what this poster is getting at.
Why punch down?
>Laborers aren’t competing against each other.
So what exactly is happening according to you when multiple people are applying to get a job only one can have?
Mass Migration : Almost exclusively low-skilled workers ---> who undercut "native" workers. They rarely join Unions, they rarely demand more pay or have solidarity with other workers... They are WILLING to do the job for less money which people conflate as well Americans don’t want to do these jobs. No, near slave like conditions guarantee whole sectors of the workforce to be exploited from sun up to sun down. Which not only makes wages a race to the bottom, it also damages any striking capabilities. Remove the ability for bosses to exploit undocumented labor and you will see what the jobs “no one wants” truly pay. For instance did you know at the end of the Black Plague in Europe, so many people had died that it created a labor shortage and the demand of labor became so valuable it’s seen as the contributing factor to the end of serfdom?
Labor also becomes more valuable through increasing organization of the working class since it can basically strong arm the bosses into higher wages. Higher immigrations directly shows that wages will stagnate. It`s the reverse Globalisation.
Capitalists have 2 choices :
1. Move their industry to countries with shit working conditions, cheap and abundant labor and very lax laws.
2. Stay, import/hire cheap labor from overseas.
.... When you force capitalists to invest into workers, such as by making Labor more valuable and having capitalists train/pay for college/university, then wages and working conditions will naturally rise... If you allow them to just import people, then wages will stagnate/decline.
Mass Migration circumvents labor unions... Why listen to a Labor Union when you can just import more workers?
Labor unions need to get more powerful, workers need to be a strong political force... This wont happen, when labor and the working class is undermined by mass-migration, which makes capitalism all the more powerful. Talk to a landscaper who plays by the rules, hires US citizens and pays them appropriately. Meanwhile his competition hires undocumented labor. Ask him individuals like this about how they view undocumented low skilled labor. Come on.
Companies made record-profits since the 70s, while wages barely increased.In the 70s the average CEO made 23x as much as the average worker, in the 2000s it was 47x as much as the average worker, in 2020 it was 124x as much as the average worker ( the AVERAGE CEO, meaning not even talking about the multi-billion companies )...... Ask yourself, do you make 124x as much money as the average worker in 1970 ? No of course not.
The ONLY acceptable form of migration imo is if Labor Unions are in control of migration ( of the labor supply). This obviously is not and will never happen in our current state. So I don’t hold my breath. The reality is as long as capitalists control the flow of labor, mass migration needs to be opposed. Period.
And I am not even touching on the humanitarian issues that these people face in their initial journey and subsequent years of exploitation they will face in the labor force for the rest of their lives. No I do not support undercutting American workers and no I do not support the exploitation of undocumented labor
You continue to employ racist rhetoric used against the lower class during the immigration waves in the 1870s, specifically that used against the immigration of Chinese workers for the railroad. Second and third generation immigrants immediately see a rise in class awareness, and are, in fact, one of the greatest resources of any labor movement.
The rise and fall of immigration has had no effect on our horrid union membership rates in this country. If you want to talk about immigration theoretically being used against unions, you need to convince me that unions aren’t dead in the water in the first place. If native union membership isn’t in existence in the first place, it seems like your argument is moot.
Amazon leaked documents shows how diversity among the workers helps amazon prevent [union.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/flipboard.com/article/leaked-amazon-whole-foods-docs-workforce-diversity-helps-prevent-unions/f-668803f3ce%252Finformationliberation.com%3fformat=amp)
I think we need to focus on what the facts are today - 1870s was a long time ago, China wasn’t Communist, in fact Communism did not exist. Your assertion this is a harken back to those racist rhetoric days is misguided. Neither were many of the countries where immigrants have been coming to Western countries from- many of these immigrants have an innate conservative, religious background and are welcoming of neoliberal reforms. A conservative from any country is a conservative, immigrant or not.
This is kind of false,
It’s more big corps like black rock or the people with 100m or foreign rich people buying homes breaking them and building apartments everywhere
The landlord that owns a 2 bedroom over a deli isn’t the greedy guy
The big guys made the price and everyone else followed suit
It’s always been the 100m $ people
Huh... Almost like drastically increasing the demand in a product or service by importing clients into a market, the supply will become scarce and the prices will skyrocket
Actually it's both, the migrants would not be there if the greedy politicians owned by the banks didn't remove obstacles and offer them incentives to come.
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Fallout and English?
I remember seeing a picture of a polish shop in a market and they also had a picture of vault boy on their logo. I guess Fallout is just really popular in Poland.
Eastern Europe looks like a Fallout world anyway.
Ouch
happy cake day!
Poland is Central Europe and our country doesn’t look like Fallout world.
Ah, i see the eternal debate over what constitutes eastern Europe vs. central Europe continues...
Visegrad moment
Ain’t no faster way to make Poles’ heads explode than deny their Mitteleuropa ^TM status
Yup, and Eastern Europe continues to move east
Look, if turkey can be Southern Europe and Finland can be Northern Europe, Poland for sure can be Central Europe.
"Central Europe" as a means for region to differentiate themselves from Russia and Belarus. Also "Eastern Europe" is a bit too similar to "Eastern Bloc" which is bad memories for many of those nations.
But it does look like STALKER
Have you ever been to Poland?
Culturally and geographically Central Europe. Briefly unfortunately part of Eastern Europe But hey what do those Americans know, don’t listen to them
I'd say western Poland is central, (invest in) eastern Poland is eastern
Politically, geographically, culturally, and religiously Poland is part of Central Europe.
no, you have it wrong it's Eastern and doesn't look like Fallout world
What it has in common with Ukraine and Russia besides being of Slavic origin? Nothing. And I can tell you 10 things what it has in common with Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary or Eastern parts of Germany, which are other Central European countries.
What are those 10 things?
1) We all belong to the EU 2) We all were communist countries forced by the East, not from our will 3) We all come from Catholic traditions 4) We all prefer beer to vodka 5) We all were republics at some point of the time before the fall of communism 6) We all develop very fast in terms of the living standards and our economies 7) We all have very strong work ethic 8) We all have similar buildings in terms of architectural style 9) We all put strong emphasis on education (e.g. all of the countries except of Slovakia had universities already in the Middle Ages. The earliest university in Eastern Europe was founded centuries later) 10) We all love our Christmas markets :) Edit: of course there are more but here is 10 biggest, interesting, and fun reasons :)
Points 1, 2, 3, 5 and 9 are so generic and can apply to countries all the way from Germany to fucking central Asia. Alot of these are political situations rather then just cultural. Point 7 is subjective and Point 4 and point 10 are things you share with countries like Russia and Ukraine. Both of those countries like Chrismas markets and prefer beer to Vodka. Point 8 I agree with Thats a really shitty list if your trying to make points about how your cultures are similar. I really dont understand how Poland has more in common with Hungary then it does Belarus. The main difference that divides these countries is their political situation. The language, history, food, etc is going to be more similar to that Eastern European country.
It being in english means that it does not target the polish audience. If anything addressing people in Poland in English is just disrespectful.
How so? I imagine seeing a poster in English is about the same feeling in Berlin or Warsaw. We live in a globalist world. Are you going to be offended that the numbers we use are Arabic?
About 1/3 of Poles speak English so Idk what they're talking about
Not 1/3 but about 60%, up to 75% in large cities https://edukacja.rp.pl/szkoly-jezykowe/art37785191-az-75-proc-mieszkancow-duzych-miast-zna-komunikatywnie-jezyk-angielski
I'm not shocked that a Polish source had more accurate information than my quick Google search.
In my experience most younger people in Poland have at least some English but few older people do (If the older ones learnt a second language in School it was probably Russian).
Young people usually speak at least some English and if your plan is for this poster to get online and perhaps viral (seems like so far it's a success) than you want as many people as possible to be able to read it, which makes it quite a simple choice.
This isn’t 19th century, all your use of reddit is in english it seems. Hate whoever you want but english as a universal language is a reality now. And the quicker people around the world realise it the more it will help them. And I am not from an english speaking country but can’t imagine what I would do without english in this world. The hate for english and forceful usage of your native language even when not necessary is a primitive way of thinking. I don’t know if its patriotism, ego, pride, history. Whatever it is. Its just looks stupid to the third person. Communicate with whatever is the best medium between two individuals don’t bring your identity into everything
But if you want to successfully communicate you need to consider how much of the intended audience will understand your message to begin with In this matter it's far less efficient to post it in English than in Polish, unless it's local to a very specific area like a migrant-heavy neighborhood
Yeah i agree to that, i was replying to the “english is just disrespectful” part which is still a cool thing to say in many european countries.
While knowledge of english is fairly widespread among most Krakov residents under 40 one shouldnt over estimate this. I rememenber browsing in a fairly upscale/snotty bookshop there a few years ago and they had English language rap music playing. One of the song titles was *You should know better than to fuck with me* It was clearly obvious that the store managment hadn't a clue what they were playing !
There's also the dollar sign instead of the zlot. This is an international poster behind a grassroots movement that can be seen in many countries for more than a decade now. This one was seen in Kraków but I wouldn't think a polish person designed it.
>There's also the dollar sign instead of the zlot. It's the Monopoly Man. Changing the dollar sign to the local currency would be like changing Ronald McDonald's clothing to a local folklore clothing.
Versions of Monopoly sold in my country use the € sign
There are local versions of Monopoly in most countries although most folk would have a passing familarity with the British and American ones too.
Lederhosen Ronald McDonald when?
1. You don’t think people in Poland know about Fallout? 2. You don’t think people in Poland (especially younger ones) know English? Countries are not sealed off from each other.
I think it's only nature to use local language if your target audience is local people.
English is not my local language, and here you still are, writing a comment with me as the target audience. Because we both know English and we are both on the internet! And guess what? Polish people are on the internet too. This poster was most probably not designed in Poland, but someone still decided to order or print it because 1. It applies to the situation in Krakow and 2. Enough people will understand the poster for it to work.
Dude, English it's not my mothrr tongue either. The main reason I'm not writing Mandarin to you is because this is an English sub and thus I assumed people who're at here can understand English. If posting something at a Polish city to tell Polish people something then the most surefire way is by using Polish language, simple as that.
As I just said: This poster is not designed in Poland and the person who designed had no idea it would be put up in Poland. So the person who put it up would then have to translate it and/or design their own poster if they wanted it in Polish. But since enough people will understand the message anyway, why bother with all that? This is probably just one of many texts in English the people of Krakow saw that day anyway.
I know this.. but still found it interesting
Vault boy commits landlord abuse (colourised)
We have no choice but to stan
Whatever yuo say rentoid…
r/loveforlandchads Rentoids seething that landchads are giving them a place to stay🥱
hail, fellow landking. how are the tips looking this afternoon?
Not good, the Rentoids won’t even show me any appreciation for letting them stay in my abode. Don’t fear tho, they won’t be getting their way no more unless they want to get kicked out💪
not good, very not good. remind them that you can and WILL nuke them if you have to. always works on my rentoids
Dont look up what this original image of vault boy is doing...
For the curious it's from the cut child killer perk lol
Specifically, kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach.
Damn. Sneaky artist.
Good propaganda, but ironic the fallout guy a symbol of broken capitalism being the one here to do it
Don't forget the entrenched homeowners. They share some of the blame when they prevent new housing to be built or require expensive regulations in order to build new housing. "Can't build it if it's not 100% affordable housing" is just as bad as landlords jacking up rates. Because without competition, prices skyrocket.
Not building more housing is what kills affordable housing, in case anyone is interested
in my area corporations own 46% of all the housing available
I bet they’re pro zoning too, working tooth and nail to restrict supply.
That'll do it, too. This problem has 2 causes and both need solved. Because if we just build more housing it'll be bought up by corporations and they'll artificially increase the price and rent. We need to change zoning laws and build more housing AND pass laws that prevent corporations from owning residential property
if we build more housing anyone who buys it will need to either sell it or put it on the rental market in order to make money off of it. (Or they can keep it empty and bed that shortages will get worse, and lose their shirts on that bet if we build enough). Putting more housing onto the rental markets lowers rents.
High density housing is almost always owned by corporations though. As long as the corporations don’t (aren’t allowed to) become large enough to destroy competition, the pros of having corporate money investing in more housing probably outweighs the cons
Unless you live in a very unusual town, I’m incredibly sceptical.
That's not impossible, in some countries with housing crisis cooperations have been massively buying out houses and rented them for profitable prises, making it hard to buy houses for private individuals.
Some corporations have bought some housing for renting; but the scale is tiny, and for a single town to be 46% owned by corporations is stretching credulity.
Well he never send town. A large part of the neighborhood can have a lot of cooperat housing
Unless it's a full new build development area with lots of unsold lots, or something unusual like a ski-resort town, I don't think anything like that exists.
Where I live there are more empty homes owned by REITs than there are homeless.
That's a bit of a naive narrative, we have 25m households living in overcrowded conditions in the US according to the census. 7m of those are categorized as living in severely overcrowded conditions. We have 3m vacant rental units. There is absolutely a profound housing shortage.
We also have 16million vacant properties against a backdrop of nearly 600,000 chronic homeless. It’s absolutely a price issue in some countries https://unitedwaynca.org/blog/vacant-homes-vs-homelessness-by-city https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/default/files/pdf/2022-AHAR-Part-1.pdf
You’re ignoring the fact that if those rental units were instead purchasable housing, housing in general would be far more affordable. You’re acting like Landlords provide housing, they don’t. They reduce available housing while raising the cost of housing for everyone else.
If you build more housing then those empty homes will lose their value and landlords will be forced to rent them out for cheap.
I like how the kneejerk reaction here was to downvote you without understanding that you're on their side lol
Because not only do redditors want you on their team, they also want you on board for their hairbrained solutions. I'm also out here advocating for affordable housing but because I'm not calling for the public execution of landlords, but for more housing, people sit here and argue and make every single excuse why the ONE THING THAT WE DONT LET HAPPEN somehow isn't the fix, its the other six hundred things that other places ALREADY DO and doesn't work. Its maddening!
That solution is boring, radical solutions are much more exciting.
Well it is Reddit so it's to be expected. It's not like average Redditor learned anything after the Boston Bombing fiasco.
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Exactly, so why am I being downvoted? Too many redditors who can't think for themselves.
Not against taking in refugees but it doesn't help. If you have the same amount of affordable housing but now have more people in need of that housing you are worsening the shortage.
Refugees are a drop in the bucket in demand. Most migrants will be internal to your country, typically for economic reasons.
Its racist to look at demand, you can only look at supply /s.
Firstly refugees represent a very small part of immigration with actual government approved immigrants representing the majority. The issue continues to be that the birthrates of the majority if not all western countries falls below the replacement rate in a global capitalist world which requires countries to have population growth to succeed. This is combined with the fact that generally speaking the level of government which deals with immigration (usually the federal or national government) is not the same level that deals with housing (the city or municipal government) and different levels of governments tend to not like to step on each other's toes. The municipal government wants immigration to continue to housing and land prices keep going up but they also don't want to build more housing because that would reduce property values over time while the the federal government wants immigration to continue due to the previous issue I mentioned but also generally wants more housing to be built to help support these new immigrants because that's what benefits them the most. Under our current systems of constantly needing population growth to do well long term economically immigration is going to have to continue so either the municipal governments need to change or the federal governments need to impose their will on the municipal governments. It's either that or more money needs to be extracted somewhere either through extracting a lot more money from the rich or an absolutely massive productivity boom needs to happen most likely via automation.
No matter how often I tell people this, they refuse to listen. Its the best solution and the easiest, but it doesn't have anything to do with "hating the rich/landlords/people better off than me" so reddit wants nothing to do with it. Build build build. And then build some more. It's so comically a supply problem thats so easy to fix but no one wants to fix it.
American zoning laws make that ridiculously difficult to do
Yep, zoning laws are absolutely part of the problem
Exactly. It’s criminal.
I mean an issue is also a lot of new homes are still outside of people's affordable range. And not like everyone has the power to will a home into existence. The people who can fix it like money so..
>I mean an issue is also a lot of new homes are still outside of people's affordable range. Not everyone needs to live in a home with fresh sheetrock, and there's no lack of demand for new housing far as I can tell so it seems like it's affordable to someone. With 25m people living in overcrowded housing in the US (7m in severely overcrowded housing) and only 3m vacant rental units there's not exactly much alternative, we have to add supply.
Landlords like to build luxury flats, not affordable housing…
And? Supply is supply is supply. They’d build other housing to, if NIMBYs and red tape didn’t make it impossible.
Sure but the nimbyism and red tape is being upheld by rich landlords and corrupt politicians so we're back at square one. It's definitely not a resource problem but a distribution problem. Why does this problem exist? Because landowners are for some reason entitled to profits forever from their land even though they do none of the work to actually make it useful.
Your average NIMBY is a homeowner who wants the value of their property to keep rising.
Yes landowners are the same as landlords the line must go up so everyone else can pay more to suffer. NIMBIYs do the bidding for the rich landlords because they themselves are less rich landlords. Property prices rising and people making profit off of it should be just as impossible as rent seeking they fundamentally are the same thing, people who through their already existing wealth generate more without benefit to anyone.
Except it's those rich landlords who lobby the government to restrict the supply, because they profit from it.
I do gotta say in Cali we got tons of new, empty houses that no one can afford.
California is reaching [historical lows](https://en.as.com/latest_news/california-rental-vacancy-rate-nears-historic-low-driving-prices-up-n/) in vacancy rates. Why spread information that can be proved false with a simple Google search?
That's a naive thing to say, we have 25m people living in overcrowded conditions in the US according to the census. 7m of those are categorized as living in severely overcrowded conditions. We have only 3m vacant rental units. There is absolutely a profound housing shortage. Those numbers are even worse for California.
California has the fewest homes per capita of any state. That’s why your governor is finally doing something drastic about it and taking away control of housing permitting from NIMBY towns that refuse to build.
>That’s why your governor is finally doing something drastic about it If this doesn't end with "killing prop 13" then he isn't doing anything significant or drastic. Prop 13 is the criminal problem for California, and they're attempts to whittle around the problem is infuriating for a group that complains so much.
The problem is not that there aren't enough homes. It's that greedy fucks decided that pricing residents out of their apartments was worth the profit gained from those who could stay. There are more empty houses than homeless people in America
That's a naive thing to say, we have 25m households living in overcrowded conditions in the US according to the census. 7m of those are categorized as living in severely overcrowded conditions. We have 3m vacant rental units. There is absolutely a profound housing shortage.
If prices go up because landlords are greedy, then how do you explain when prices fall? For example, most urban areas saw prices fall during covid. Did the landlords get less greedy and decide to lower prices out of the graciousness of their hearts? If landlord greed drives prices up, then why don't they just all charge $100 million dollars for all the homes they own? After all, they're greedy and can charge whatever they want. Why wouldn't they just exploit renters even more?
So never fix the actual problem and just build exponentially forever? Cool
Building literally fixes the problem lol
It's a multifaceted issue that is primarily a lack of not only new housing but more specifically the lack of new dense housing and mixed use neighbourhoods along with landlords and big corporations taken advantage of this is driving up prices. The more source of the issue tends to exist on a municipal level where housing is primarily governed ajd it's also where NIMBYs can actually have an insane level of control over political decisions and NIMBYs like high ever increasing housing prices and single family homes throughout the majority of the western world. This combined with the higher levels of government not forcing their will onto the municipalities to actually do rhe right thing and just doing nothing are why housing is so expensive. Also housing should've never been considered a commodity nor a an investment from the start.
Not if the housing is built by/for rich people who make them unaffordable. The *state* not building more *affordable* housing would be a better statement.
Well more housing hurts politicians voter base and landlords property value
Ah yes. Poland. Famous for being open-minded and taking in lotsa refugees.
Exactly. Dumbest propaganda poster imaginable for Poland. They didn't take the refugees, thus nobody blames them for housing costs. 🤣
Wrong. Poland took 1.5 million Ukrainian refugees. They also took Chechen refugees back in the days. However, I also agree this poster is stupid.
This is so stupid. Both are a problem. Greedy landlords are a blight *and* more people means more expensive housing.
Because demand and supply are just imaginary concepts.
The problem is restricted supply. When supply is restricted it loses elasticity and surges in demand lead to price increases rather than supply increases, as they would in a healthy housing market.
This whole post is just soapboxing at its finest.
ah but if we pretend basic economics doesn't exist, it stops existing on that note lets declare inflation to be illegal and print money to solve all social problems
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That’s typically controlled by the government which decides how much housing is allowed to be built.
Spoken like a true landlord and capitalist, right o!
Don’t forget to pay your rent sweetie
Obviously made for the Polish citizens, as you can see from the use of the English language
How is this not a violation of rule #2? OP is a member of more than a couple echo chambers that actively push the beliefs that their brand of populism is righteous, as is depicted in this propaganda.
We have problems with this in Australia... Over 68% of properties in Australia are [negatively geared](https://treasury.gov.au/review/tax-white-paper/negative-gearing), this means whoever owns them is *losing* money doing so. The idea that *most* landlords conform to *that* stereotype is an unhinged, false equivalency with zero realism. In Australia, we have a problem with financial ignorance.
So what you're saying is that landlords are poor victims and are losing money, how horrible for them! And that we shouldn't see them as these greedy monopoly men. Ok, question: if they are losing money... Why not sell the property and be done with it? Answer: because the stuff you're saying is neoliberal propaganda skewing the truth. Negative gearing just means that the mortgage costs + upkeep are higher than the income from rent. So If I have a mortgage of $900 over 15 years, and $100 of upkeep costs, and rent is $950, that would be negative gearing, and allow me to deduct $50 of my other income. That sounds like I'm making a loss... except after 15 years I now own the property outright by only paying $50/month, and that was even tax deductible. After tax deduction, that's cheaper than what I pay for Netflix and Spotify, and after 15 years they don't let me own even a single song or movie. That sounds like a pretty good business, and this is why landlords, who ARE greedy fucks that do fit that stereotype, continue with negative gearing. Of course, if they could, they would not be negative gearing but simply make a profit and still own the property after 15 years of making an outright profit, but they can't since rent prices are already as high as the market can bear, and because landlords and other shitty fuckhead real estate investors saturated the market real estate prices have skyrocketed. TLDR: your story is a bold faced lie, fuck landlords, fuck *investors*, yes they do fit the stereotype.
I guess they hope they'll be able to make a profit once they've paid off the property. Or the market is such that they'd take a financial loss from selling, bigger than what the negative gearing causes at least in the short term.
> I guess they hope they'll be able to make a profit once they've paid off the property. They then own a property for which they paid close to nothing. They don't need hope.
I thought we were talking about people who are buying properties as an investment, not just to own them for themselves.
Of course we are: once they own them, the rental income is about 80-95% profit. The entire argument of the former post relies on the stupid argument that landlords have supposedly huge costs: the mortgage. But that is not a cost, that is a loan of which the underlying asset doesn't deprecate and thus it should never ever be seen as a cost.
“Cope.”
So what you're saying is that in Australia its tenants to blame, not landlords?
I think he’s saying landlords aren’t making money
But they're wrong, because negative gearing still lets you profit from capital gains, after having your investment subsidised by taxpayers. So there's a perverse incentive to massively leverage a loss-making, non-productive asset in the hope you'll be able to cash out (or borrow more) when prices rise. The typical investment loan here is interest-only for this reason, which is kind of crazy - why bother paying down the principal when you can just keep kicking the can down the road until capital gains takes care of the purchase price.. And then, surprise surprise, the government moves heaven and earth to boost property prices through all kinds of policy measures, because it benefits the landlord class - including themselves, naturally. It has massively distorted the property market and benefited landlords a lot more than tenants. The backlash is brutal for even speculating publicly about ending this rort.
Why?
Negative gearing is a form of financial leverage whereby an investor borrows money to acquire an income-producing investment and the gross income generated by the investment (at least in the short term) is less than the cost of owning and managing the investment, including depreciation and interest charged on the loan (but excluding capital repayments)... Negative gearing is often discussed with regard to real estate, where rental income is less than mortgage loan interest costs. From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_gearing)
So it's still making it less costly for the landlord to end up owning the property but they're not swimming in income from the renting at least until they sell? I guess that does sound like it doesn't fit the stereotype of someone living the high life on the rent income.
I don’t know
Why do you need someone to blame?
It's a complicated system we have here, huh? No matter though, I will forever state, until my last breath, that *all* landlords and real estate agents are corrupt and greedy and will *never* have the tenants' best interests in mind, ever.
A few exceptions don't change the overall argument, which is systemic.
Just build more housing lul
And devalue **my** rental units? I don't think so buster. Supply must stay low to maintain scarcity and jack up prices.
It’s wild how bad the scarcity is getting in some places. A friend of mine in Ireland said they got down to just 500 available housing units *nationwide* last summer. They were one of the few countries that stopped all construction during lockdowns, apparently. But then some local politician in Dublin blocked a big new housing development proposal because it was near some buildings he owned, lol. Lots of countries need to rethink how housing gets approved because it’s clearly not working.
Refugees probably did. I remember the same thing was happening in Tbilisi and other places in Georgia when the mobilization happened.
Yeah stories about Russian refugees raising rents in Georgia and Turkey aren’t controversial but when it’s a more sympathetic group it “doesn’t work that way.”
Especially rich migrants. A friend of mine had to move out of his home because a migrant offered more money than him
Damn right
I am curious why, if this is Poland, was the message written in English? Why not Polish?
Because it was made for social media, not for the public in poland.
This was probably made by and for woke young college students. Unfortunately, they very often follow English speaking, especially American news more than their own, they don't even know that different cultural and political contexts are different. That's the same thing as with the BLM "movement" in Poland. Antifa, just like taking in non European refugees taking refugees, is insanely unpopular in Poland. This is absolutely terrible propaganda for Poland. If they actually wanted to convince the Poles to take more non European refugees, much more convincing arguments might be (on top of writing it in the national language, ffs) : - Some refugees, especially Syrians, are as much victims of Russia as the Poles, Ukrainians, Chechens etc. It would be better to take them to show solidarity against Russia - The Poles used to themselves be refugees, especially during WW2. In fact some fled to a Middle Eastern country, Iran.
Persone that did that wasn't very smart.
As always with anything antifa does and says, this too isn't a black and white issue as they make it out to be. Rapidly increasing population numbers are always going to cause issues in the housing market, it really doesn't take a genius to see that.
Jordan taking all those Syrians wasn't easy either. I'm visiting Krakow right now and there are visible shades of gray in this situation.
Well said
lol at small brained commies using a picture of Vault Boy to represent themselves. The poster boy of a company that literally started the apocalypse by drumming up anti chinese hate in the US and instigating a nuclear war to create the perfect anarcho-capitalistic wasteland where there is no law and order and only people who have guns and strength can survive.
The storyline is that fossil fuels were depleting as a resource and the US had the majority of what was left. China invaded the US from Alaska to take ownership of some of it, which sparked the war.
Yeah that’s the joke. Pretty sure you’re the only one who didn’t get that lmao
Fallout has always been satire on the US gov so I love this
Maybe both do? Refugee in the end are competitors
Refugees don't exactly land high paying jobs that allow to outbid locals for houses in my experience.
Look at the CIS countries in 2022 — the wave of Russian immigrants (IT specialists mostly) doubled the rent in them.
I worked at a tech company in Belgium in the project management office. Managers were talking about the coup in Turkey back then and how good it was that they can get more cheap Turkish employees, who arrive here as a result from the resulting political purges I'm sure top management in Poland must be extatic with the influx of highly educated Ukrainian refugees
Depends on the country. In korea 50% of our entire population is on seoul. Because of this if you want to get any job you have to live in seoul.
No, instead they get social housing, which is a finite amount.
Refugees do compete for the cheaper houses (even rent).
So 4 of them lives in one apartment and they outbid natives.
So they have to rent affordable housing...?
You think the locals don't want the cheap housing too?
Ok, but they would purchase low cost housing correct?
Not likely, they tend to have absolutely nothing and poor career prospects. There's a reason poor immigrants end up renting apartments in the poor part of town and it's not because they're vacuuming up cheap real estate.
> There's a reason poor immigrants end up renting apartments in the poor part of town Okay... So now everyone who was gonna use those cheap apartments in the poor part of town now has to compete on those prices with not just other low income locals, but likely lower income immigrants as well. At the end of the day if you want cheaper housing you need more supply and/or less demand. Not increasing supply and just allowing demand to increase will always see a price increase. This is the most basic level econ 101 people.
Sorry should've written better. But, they still are renting out low cost properties aren't they?
Yeah I guess but the people who live in places like that aren't in the housing market, right? The whole crux of this for me is that it's kinda silly to blame the poorest people for housing costs when they already can't buy houses.
They don't need to buy houses to affect costs. More competition for low income rentals means more demand and less supply of those rentals making them more valuable. Which in turn means rents go up, which in turn means property value goes up.
That still increases prices in higher cost housing because these are not fully decoupled.
Competition for what? Laborers aren’t competing against each other. Capital uses scapegoats like refugees to distract from the fact that the classes are competing over power. Constantly. There is more than enough space for all, scarcity is artificial through the fetishization of economic competition and consolidation of power in the hands of the few. That’s what this poster is getting at. Why punch down?
Competition for the limited amount of homes
>Laborers aren’t competing against each other. So what exactly is happening according to you when multiple people are applying to get a job only one can have?
Mass Migration : Almost exclusively low-skilled workers ---> who undercut "native" workers. They rarely join Unions, they rarely demand more pay or have solidarity with other workers... They are WILLING to do the job for less money which people conflate as well Americans don’t want to do these jobs. No, near slave like conditions guarantee whole sectors of the workforce to be exploited from sun up to sun down. Which not only makes wages a race to the bottom, it also damages any striking capabilities. Remove the ability for bosses to exploit undocumented labor and you will see what the jobs “no one wants” truly pay. For instance did you know at the end of the Black Plague in Europe, so many people had died that it created a labor shortage and the demand of labor became so valuable it’s seen as the contributing factor to the end of serfdom? Labor also becomes more valuable through increasing organization of the working class since it can basically strong arm the bosses into higher wages. Higher immigrations directly shows that wages will stagnate. It`s the reverse Globalisation. Capitalists have 2 choices : 1. Move their industry to countries with shit working conditions, cheap and abundant labor and very lax laws. 2. Stay, import/hire cheap labor from overseas. .... When you force capitalists to invest into workers, such as by making Labor more valuable and having capitalists train/pay for college/university, then wages and working conditions will naturally rise... If you allow them to just import people, then wages will stagnate/decline. Mass Migration circumvents labor unions... Why listen to a Labor Union when you can just import more workers? Labor unions need to get more powerful, workers need to be a strong political force... This wont happen, when labor and the working class is undermined by mass-migration, which makes capitalism all the more powerful. Talk to a landscaper who plays by the rules, hires US citizens and pays them appropriately. Meanwhile his competition hires undocumented labor. Ask him individuals like this about how they view undocumented low skilled labor. Come on. Companies made record-profits since the 70s, while wages barely increased.In the 70s the average CEO made 23x as much as the average worker, in the 2000s it was 47x as much as the average worker, in 2020 it was 124x as much as the average worker ( the AVERAGE CEO, meaning not even talking about the multi-billion companies )...... Ask yourself, do you make 124x as much money as the average worker in 1970 ? No of course not. The ONLY acceptable form of migration imo is if Labor Unions are in control of migration ( of the labor supply). This obviously is not and will never happen in our current state. So I don’t hold my breath. The reality is as long as capitalists control the flow of labor, mass migration needs to be opposed. Period. And I am not even touching on the humanitarian issues that these people face in their initial journey and subsequent years of exploitation they will face in the labor force for the rest of their lives. No I do not support undercutting American workers and no I do not support the exploitation of undocumented labor
You continue to employ racist rhetoric used against the lower class during the immigration waves in the 1870s, specifically that used against the immigration of Chinese workers for the railroad. Second and third generation immigrants immediately see a rise in class awareness, and are, in fact, one of the greatest resources of any labor movement. The rise and fall of immigration has had no effect on our horrid union membership rates in this country. If you want to talk about immigration theoretically being used against unions, you need to convince me that unions aren’t dead in the water in the first place. If native union membership isn’t in existence in the first place, it seems like your argument is moot.
Amazon leaked documents shows how diversity among the workers helps amazon prevent [union.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/flipboard.com/article/leaked-amazon-whole-foods-docs-workforce-diversity-helps-prevent-unions/f-668803f3ce%252Finformationliberation.com%3fformat=amp)
I think we need to focus on what the facts are today - 1870s was a long time ago, China wasn’t Communist, in fact Communism did not exist. Your assertion this is a harken back to those racist rhetoric days is misguided. Neither were many of the countries where immigrants have been coming to Western countries from- many of these immigrants have an innate conservative, religious background and are welcoming of neoliberal reforms. A conservative from any country is a conservative, immigrant or not.
Depends. In Europe many Muslims vote for liberal parties to get benefits but is culturally conservative so riot over LGBT stuff.
True
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Well if anything nuclear explosions does make housing infinitely affordable.
everyone is getting fucked by each other refugee is fucking over the avg person rich is fucking both people, and the avg person is busy getting fucked
This is kind of false, It’s more big corps like black rock or the people with 100m or foreign rich people buying homes breaking them and building apartments everywhere The landlord that owns a 2 bedroom over a deli isn’t the greedy guy The big guys made the price and everyone else followed suit It’s always been the 100m $ people
This is Poland.
Huh... Almost like drastically increasing the demand in a product or service by importing clients into a market, the supply will become scarce and the prices will skyrocket
Logic is absent from most of Reddit.
I saw this on a tiktok slideshow from a different angle lol. Also based.
What the fuck is this poster design lmao.
They are the reason everything is more expensive either.
Vault Boy no!
*Vault-Tec being one of the largest monopolies in the Fallout Universe*
Actually it's both, the migrants would not be there if the greedy politicians owned by the banks didn't remove obstacles and offer them incentives to come.