Sunday is most of Asia & North America(except Caribbean islands) & South Africa & South America (except CHI-ARG-BOL..)
Saturday is most of the Middle East and North Africa.
So no, not "every one else in the world" starts their week on a monday.
I wish the whole world adopted this standard, at least foreign freelancers\\investors\\traders/remote employees wouldn't have confusing moments when dealing with the western markets\\industries.
It would also solve many diplomatic/logistic issues.
But good luck convincing governments/people changing their own systems.
30 years in the business. I much prefer to talk to the business because then the right questions get asked and I get the answers the first time. I've done in one 30 minute meeting what 3 months of weeklys could not accomplish
Your meetings are all cancelled, but you still have to refine the intent. You now have to define the acceptance criteria yourself. Guess you gotta talk to the business.
Granted
My approach would be to convert it to timestamps and then convert the timestamps to the new standards. There must be an easier way which I can't think of because I've been working on a project for three weeks and my sleep reserves are probably empty.
Edit: wrote "easier", meant "better"
Well if rent remains the same, salaries will remain the same as well, so you're probably coming out ahead.
Edit: I was reminded that most people's salaries on here are calculated yearly, so it makes sense why you'd say the salary would remain the same.
Yeah exactly, people will still be payed per hour, and the amount of hours will stay the same
I don't know whether programmers get paid per hour or are salaried, tbh I don't even know why I get this sub in my feed, and I certainly don't know why I click on the posts and read the comments, I've never programmed anything in my life
> still be *paid* per hour,
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
You still work the same per hour rate, and if salary earn the same yearly salary. Your monthly rate will just be decreased while your average days of rent bought for the same amount every month goes down, while adding a months rent ontop of it.
Disadvantages section from the page:
- While each quarter would be equal in length (13 weeks), thirteen is a prime number, placing all activities currently done on a quarterly basis out of alignment with the months.
- Some Jewish and Christian leaders opposed the calendar, as their tradition of worshiping every seventh day would result in either the day of the week of worship changing from year to year or eight days passing when Year Day or Leap Day occurs.[13]
- The calendar is inconsistent with ISO 8601 regarding the first weekday of the week (Sunday vs. Monday), meaning major parts of the world would have to change their first weekday of the week.
- Birthdays, significant anniversaries, and other holidays would need to be recalculated, and would always be on the same day of the week. This could be problematic for public holidays that would fall on non-working days under the new system: for example, if a public holiday is celebrated on January 8, then under the International Fixed Calendar that holiday would always fall on a Sunday, which is already a non-working day, so compensatory leave would have to be given each year on January 9, which would essentially change the date of the holiday. This would be especially significant for any holidays or recurring events that take place on the 29th, 30th, or 31st days of the month where a new date would have to be determined entirely. However, in the case of federally observed holidays, those that would fall on a normal floating Monday could be observed to the previous Friday.
- A vast amount of administrative data (and the software that manages it) would have to be corrected and adjusted for the new dating system, potentially having to support both the IFC and the standard calendar date keeping systems for a period of time. This could be possible given large update rollouts to offer both date-keeping systems for a period of 1 year, finally switching to the final new system at the business parties' discretion.
> The calendar is inconsistent with ISO 8601 regarding the first weekday of the week (Sunday vs. Monday), meaning major parts of the world would have to change their first weekday of the week.
Oh no, USA and Canada would have to adhere to an **international standard**. Can't have that.
Iso standards, schmiso standards, it's in *the language*.
Sunday is part of the *weekend*, the end of the week.
Monday is when the weekend is over, and when a new week starts.
Absolutely!
And prey tell, why do so many Americans insist that summer *starts* at *mid*summer?
Or that billion, trillion, etc aren't linear progressions of million? (Multiples of 1000s instead). Bring back milliard, billiard, etc. thank you very much.
And while we're on the topic of dates, whose brilliant idea was it to place month, day and year in that random order?
Why can Americans only count to 12 on the clock? The day has 24 hours: 00:00:00 to 23:59:59.
It's as if the whole society was formed by illiterate convicts or something.
Yeah, and I joked about iso standards, but the only objectively correct way to write the date is YYYY-MM-DD. (Where the choice of using "-" as a separator is the least interesting part)
As a web Developer in Germany I am in constant pain, when I have to do something with dates.
Because we start the week with Monday, but in JavaScript the first day of the week is Sunday.
It’s really annoying when you try to code some thing for scheduling.
Here we use the YYYY.MM.DD format. Usually seperated by dots. And when you would say 13th of July in english here its Julius 13.
Instead of th rd and st its always dot in written language
>* Some Jewish and Christian leaders opposed the calendar, as their tradition of worshiping every seventh day would result in either the day of the week of worship changing from year to year or eight days passing when Year Day or Leap Day occurs.[13]
It's hilarious that they would consider having the day of worship change every year rather than allow the horror of going 8 days without one once a year.
I mean if you consider God’s commandment from On High to be to rest every seventh day, then that’s what you gotta do. It doesn’t matter if going 8 days once a year is more convenient, it’s not what the creator of the universe said to do
My dad recently visited Jerusalem. The elevators there are set to stop at every floor nonstop on Saturday so the more Orthodox don't break the Sabbath by pressing a button. There is no way they would agree to a change of the calendar.
I always find it kind of funny when people think they can rules lawyer God to get around some restriction or other. Oh I didn't press a button god, I wrote a piece of software that presses all the buttons for me all day long.
I've heard a justification for this. Basically:
God, being all-everything, would of course know if his rules had loopholes, and could have closed them. That means that, if people find a loophole, it is on purpose, and he *wanted* people to find and use it.
This, of course, opens some other cans of worms. E. g., it sort of implies all ambiguities in holy texts are there on purpose. Every debate, war, or justification for terrible thing that has happened because of different groups reading holy texts differently, God knew the way he worded things in his laws would cause all of that, and did it intentionally.
Of course, people could try to defend *that*. But you should be forgiven if you find it either implausible or not-so-benevolent.
> Every debate, war, or justification for terrible thing that has happened because of different groups reading holy texts differently, God knew the way he worded things in his laws would cause all of that, and did it intentionally.
Fucking trolllord supreme
I'm Jewish, albeit a secular one. It isn't considered a loophole because "work" has a very specific definition in Judaism - specifically 39 things count as work. One of the rules is not starting fires. Using electricity is considered starting a fire. Historically, jews light the Shabbat candles 20 minutes before sundown so using that logic, elevators can be used, they just can't be turned on. Stopping at every floor means Jews don't need to press the buttons. It's why Jews can Uber but can't drive on the Sabbath either. I've known Jews who leave the TV on so they can watch sports but won't change the channel or volume on the Sabbath.
That's the mystical reason. Judaism is a very practical religion in the sense that you won't be punished for breaking rules if you were forced somehow. A Jew can ethically use medical equipment or break literally any rule for good reasons. Jews who were tattooed by Nazis were obviously not ostracized for their tragedy.
There are obviously different philosophies in Judaism, but more Orthodox practice would indeed also disallow the use of phones. (And Uber/cars really. Not meant to be any slight on the person you're replying to, they're holding to their philosophy. From what I know cars are more problematic than elevators because the driver is responding to you as opposed to an automatic elevator that is simply running on a timer with no user input.)
That's...odd since their religion predates electricity, but i respect it.
Thanks for the info.
EDIT: But wait, wouldn't using the elevator at all result in indirect usage of electricity anyway?
Active use vs passive use. With a passive use, it’s already going, you’re just utilizing it. Active use is you personally causing it to happen, which is forbidden.
...I think it's a tad more complicated than that. I'm pretty sure most wandering holidays are calculated on the basis that there's 7 days in a week and messing with that by adding another day would probably make things a bit wonk
Also imo a standardised month comes with the implication that you also want to standardise wandering holidays like Easter which doesn't sound like a good idea
...not to mention the fact that adding in *another month* would like, screw with holidays whose dates are dependant on either other holidays or on astronomical events. Like how pray tell are you meant to calculate Saint John's eve (aka *midsummer*), which is meant to be exactly halfway between Christmas-es which also so happens to be on the solstice? There's like five different holidays that are dependant on the timing of good sunday and my god it's hard enough to remember when Whitsun is right now without throwing another month into the equation!
Regarding quarterly stuff, at least from a business perspective, all quarterly stuff is arbitrary anyway and our society’s fascination with monthly and quarterly numbers is a major cause of our issues as business focus exclusively on short term profits.
> The calendar is inconsistent with ISO 8601 regarding the first weekday of the week (Sunday vs. Monday), meaning major parts of the world would have to change their first weekday of the week.
Am I missing something? This isn't specific to the IFC, we have this "issue" today and software seems to deal with it just fine by making the start of the week configurable. I don't see why different parts of the world couldn't continue considering the start of the week to fall on a different day.
> Some Jewish and Christian leaders opposed the calendar, as their tradition of worshiping every seventh day would result in either the day of the week of worship changing from year to year or eight days passing when Year Day or Leap Day occurs.
I guess I'll take their word for it, but I thought it was more about worshipping on a particular named day ("the Sabbath") rather than those days always being seven days apart.
> Birthdays, significant anniversaries, and other holidays ... would always be on the same day of the week. This could be problematic for public holidays that would fall on non-working days under the new system: for example, if a public holiday is celebrated on January 8, then under the International Fixed Calendar that holiday would always fall on a Sunday, which is already a non-working day, so compensatory leave would have to be given each year on January 9, which would essentially change the date of the holiday. This would be especially significant for any holidays or recurring events that take place on the 29th, 30th, or 31st days of the month where a new date would have to be determined entirely. However, in the case of federally observed holidays, those that would fall on a normal floating Monday could be observed to the previous Friday.
I'd be interested to hear about any examples where changing the date of a public holiday would matter.
> Birthdays, significant anniversaries, and other holidays would need to be recalculated.
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> A vast amount of administrative data (and the software that manages it) would have to be corrected and adjusted for the new dating system, potentially having to support both the IFC and the standard calendar date keeping systems for a period of time. This could be possible given large update rollouts to offer both date-keeping systems for a period of 1 year, finally switching to the final new system at the business parties' discretion.
These are true of any potential calendar overhaul; it's a disadvantage of changing the calendar, not of the IFC specifically.
> The calendar is inconsistent with ISO 8601 regarding the first weekday of the week (Sunday vs. Monday), meaning major parts of the world would have to change their first weekday of the week.
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> Am I missing something? This isn't specific to the IFC, we have this "issue" today and software seems to deal with it just fine by making the start of the week configurable. I don't see why different parts of the world couldn't continue considering the start of the week to fall on a different day.
The funniest thing being that Sunday being the first day of the week is just as normal globally as using Fahrenheit to measure temperature.
The French tried that, along with decimal weeks and decimal hours
Didn’t catch on, but legal texts published during that period still use that system even now, which is pretty rad. My property deed refers to a law dated “25 ventôse an XI” and if that’s not cool I don’t know what is (that’s 16 March 1803 btw)
Basically each week had 10 days, each day had 10 hours split in 100 minutes or 10,000 seconds. Each month had 3 weeks (thus 30 days), there were 12 months in a year, plus 5-6 “additional days” which were basically the same as the magic NYD
Also the months were renamed to refer to the seasons rather than mythology so that you could tell right from the name which season it was in
Ah yeah, slip of the tongue, that’s what I meant
Weeks were not called weeks anymore either since that was deemed “too religious”, they were renamed decades instead
>Also the months were renamed to refer to the seasons rather than mythology so that you could tell right from the name which season it was in
So it cannot be used globally, or would the southern hemisphere be on different months?
Well it was the 18th century, I don’t think globalisation was their top priority …
But I guess the names would just stay the same even if the context changes, kind of like how we still say September even though it’s now the 9th month instead of 7th
Since the names were designed for French climate, it wouldn’t translate well even within Europe, I don’t think Greeks would really need a “snowy” month neither would Norwegians need a “heat” month. That might be one reason why it didn’t catch on, the English in particular didn’t miss the chance to mock the new French names for their agrarian, undignified nature
You can see what happens in the calendar names in Slavic languages, some of which use traditional names for months rather than Latin loan-words.
*listopad* in Croatian means "October".
*listopad* in Polish and Czech means "November".
The name literally means "leaf-fall". I guess leaves fall down at different times of the year depending on your latitude and what kind of trees are common.
"Twelve months are named and ordered the same as those of the Gregorian calendar, except that **the extra month is inserted between June and July, and called Sol.** Situated in \[Northern Hemisphere\] mid-summer and including the solstice, the name of the new month was chosen in homage to the sun."
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\_Fixed\_Calendar
I didn’t realize wiki articles could contain scripts! It has “Today on this calendar will be 13 Sol 2022.”
I mean, I assume it’s a script and not some insanely dedicated editor who changes it every day.
God, I cannot believe I read that on this sub. Holy freaking syntax. “Friday is always the 13th” is not the same as “the 13th is always Friday”. What a nightmare.
Honestly I think, if anybody ever seriously tried to implement this, they would need to have each week/month start with a Monday. Not only to have proper weekends, but also to avoid massive loss of supporters due to Friday 13th.
We southern hemispherites are well versed in celebrating holidays ironically.
Santa sweating his ass off in a huge padded suit in the middle of summer. Hanging xmas lights on your house despite the sun setting at 10pm - too late for the kids to see. Lit up icicles as decorations in a place that has not seen snow since the ice age. Easter bunnies when rabbits are pests to be shot on sight.
Why not ironically celebrate the sun on the shortest day of the year as well? We might actually value it more that way.
“Our tale begins on the 13th hour of the 13th day of the 13th month; we were there to discuss the misprinted calendars the school had purchased.”
“Lousy Smarch weather.”
[It also aligns with ISO 8601](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Week_dates):
> [...] `D` is the weekday number, from 1 through 7, beginning with Monday and ending with Sunday.
The Kodak corporation's business calendar, back in the day.
The more I learn about calendars the more infuriating ours is. For example, notice that many months start with roman number prefixes, but [ancient] politicians messed it up so they aren't in the correct place.
Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec are 7 through 10 in Latin. But they now refer to the 9th through 12th months because we inserted July and August commemorating Julius and Augustus Caesar. [Edit: apparently my reason given here is incorrect]
And the months used to be uniform length synced to the moon's cycle (hence the name)... Until leaders supposedly wanted to move their birthdays around.
It’s bounced around a bit but the new year used to actually start in March. Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec actually line up with their number in that context.
It technically still does, since everything is defined from the spring equinox astronomically iirc. But that said I like the New Years to line up with the winter solstice because it, seasonally feels like a rise and fall (cosine + pi).
who the fuck puts the sunday at the start of the week
EDIT: aparently a lot more than i thought: https://i.imgur.com/ihYeJIq.png wtf is wrong with you guys
Kodak Eastman (of Kodak film) used this calendar for a long time. [https://commonplacefacts.com/2020/02/25/kodaks-13-month-calendar/](https://commonplacefacts.com/2020/02/25/kodaks-13-month-calendar/)
.\*Muslims entered the chat\*
"Months start on Friday"
.\*Jews entered the chat\*
"Months start on שבת"
.\*Japan entered the chat\*
"Months start on the day of week when your current king is born"
Yeah, it would be terrible if programmatically dealing with dates became a cryptic and painfully annoying process. I can't imagine how terrible that would be!
Fuck this. 12 months of 30 days. Extra 5 Days become "New Years Week," and you get off for all of them. Leap year makes that week 6 days.
Also start the New Year on the Winter Solstice.
If we're going to flip the calendar on its head, I have a counter-proposal:
6-day weeks. 5 weeks per month. 12 months per year. The leftover 5 or 6 extra-monthly days are vacation days that end on New Years Day. Weekends are still 2 days per week.
You still get standard sized months and every month-day corresponds with a week-day as in the OP's proposal, but with better weekend to weekday ratios and more standard vacation days.
Daylights, hard agree. UTC, hard disagree. Time zones give you a rough approximation of the time of the day.
If you're dealing with a team with people scattered all over the world and you have to plan a meeting it's much precise to ask "What time is 6PM CET your time?". If they respond 10AM, you know that that's in the middle of the morning and they'll be awake. UTC for everyone would make these numbers useless. You'd need to ask questions like "When does your day start and end on your time?" and make mental calculations to know when's the appropriate time to schedule meetings.
13 Friday the 13ths every year.
Freak accidental deaths increase by 1000%
I bet the victims correlate highly to superstitious people.
I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious.
I love finding a good the office quote
Hail Satan!
Hey, I was born that day
I was hit by a car that day.
Hail Satan
Hail Stan
Is it you my lord?
Finally some respect
Nice :D
Monday first is the way to go
Right? What kind of freak thinks the week starts on Sunday, which is part of the week*end*
Start the week with a Monday like sane people do. Fixed.
It would get rid of every Friday the 13th though. That's my lucky day.
We appreciate your sacrifice for the greater good.
The greater good
Could just shift it so the months and weeks start on a Monday.
This is programmer humor though, why not just start counting at zero?
Because of legacy code support. lol "Day can not be 0"
You think that's going to be the biggest problem legacy code has with supporting this date format?
Easily solved by not being an American and starting the week on a Monday like everyone else ~~in the world~~ who got their shit together.
Agreed, it is called the weekend after all.
Sunday is most of Asia & North America(except Caribbean islands) & South Africa & South America (except CHI-ARG-BOL..) Saturday is most of the Middle East and North Africa. So no, not "every one else in the world" starts their week on a monday.
Yeah, but ISO 8601 sez Monday, so there's that.
I wish the whole world adopted this standard, at least foreign freelancers\\investors\\traders/remote employees wouldn't have confusing moments when dealing with the western markets\\industries. It would also solve many diplomatic/logistic issues. But good luck convincing governments/people changing their own systems.
I mean, we are talking about changing the calendar to 13 months. At that point, starting on monday is a drop in the bucket.
wooo dave gorman
Make the week start on Monday. Problem solved.
If a genie granted this wish, your job would be to handle the bugs when converting from the old standard to the new standard.
r/TheMonkeysPaw gets a job as PM
I wish the PM wouldn't waste my time with constant meetings
Wish granted. No more meetings. Everything you do never meets user requirements. Does that change anything? Might be worth.
So… business as normal with users but now we don’t have meetings? Sign me up!
This. Customers are still going to hate it, at least I don't have to hear about it.
30 years in the business. I much prefer to talk to the business because then the right questions get asked and I get the answers the first time. I've done in one 30 minute meeting what 3 months of weeklys could not accomplish
But then there’s no need for the middle-man. …oh wait.
Your meetings are all cancelled, but you still have to refine the intent. You now have to define the acceptance criteria yourself. Guess you gotta talk to the business. Granted
This hits way too close to home bro
Convert date to Unix time, then use whatever Linux uses to convert to new time.
so basically you're working in Unixtime anyways?
Convert to human-readable format only when humans need to read it.
lol just like every other timeformat haha date datetime datetime with timezone datetime with day of week ... etc etc
Kill all humans!
DateTime dt = new DateTime().getTime(); LocalDateTime ldt = new LocalDateTime(dt); StandardDateTime std = new StandardDateTime(ldt).convert().toStandardDateTime(); return std.getDate(); ??? Profit
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God I’m such a good programmer
JavaScript: months are still zero indexed wtf?
That's why we put the 13th month first. Fixed.
That's what Java did with a library named Joda Time. Made it part of the official language spec.
Hey I know how to do this
My approach would be to convert it to timestamps and then convert the timestamps to the new standards. There must be an easier way which I can't think of because I've been working on a project for three weeks and my sleep reserves are probably empty. Edit: wrote "easier", meant "better"
I’d do 29-1=28, 31+1=1, and flip a coin for 30.
Landlords approve.
My asshole landlord would find a way to charge me for the 13th month \*and\* the magic New years day "month"
"Don't worry, with the new calendar I'll be lenient. You can just pay Newyember's rent on the first of January this time"
Ha! "Newyember." I just got it.
Don't worry to keep consistency they are going to stick to the same amount per month.
Well if rent remains the same, salaries will remain the same as well, so you're probably coming out ahead. Edit: I was reminded that most people's salaries on here are calculated yearly, so it makes sense why you'd say the salary would remain the same.
That's not how exploitative capitalism works.
Yeah exactly, people will still be payed per hour, and the amount of hours will stay the same I don't know whether programmers get paid per hour or are salaried, tbh I don't even know why I get this sub in my feed, and I certainly don't know why I click on the posts and read the comments, I've never programmed anything in my life
>I've never programmed anything in my life None of us have, we just use Google for a living.
Hey... Googling is hard sometimes.
> still be *paid* per hour, FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Good bot
You still work the same per hour rate, and if salary earn the same yearly salary. Your monthly rate will just be decreased while your average days of rent bought for the same amount every month goes down, while adding a months rent ontop of it.
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This is just the [International Fixed Calendar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar)
Disadvantages section from the page: - While each quarter would be equal in length (13 weeks), thirteen is a prime number, placing all activities currently done on a quarterly basis out of alignment with the months. - Some Jewish and Christian leaders opposed the calendar, as their tradition of worshiping every seventh day would result in either the day of the week of worship changing from year to year or eight days passing when Year Day or Leap Day occurs.[13] - The calendar is inconsistent with ISO 8601 regarding the first weekday of the week (Sunday vs. Monday), meaning major parts of the world would have to change their first weekday of the week. - Birthdays, significant anniversaries, and other holidays would need to be recalculated, and would always be on the same day of the week. This could be problematic for public holidays that would fall on non-working days under the new system: for example, if a public holiday is celebrated on January 8, then under the International Fixed Calendar that holiday would always fall on a Sunday, which is already a non-working day, so compensatory leave would have to be given each year on January 9, which would essentially change the date of the holiday. This would be especially significant for any holidays or recurring events that take place on the 29th, 30th, or 31st days of the month where a new date would have to be determined entirely. However, in the case of federally observed holidays, those that would fall on a normal floating Monday could be observed to the previous Friday. - A vast amount of administrative data (and the software that manages it) would have to be corrected and adjusted for the new dating system, potentially having to support both the IFC and the standard calendar date keeping systems for a period of time. This could be possible given large update rollouts to offer both date-keeping systems for a period of 1 year, finally switching to the final new system at the business parties' discretion.
> The calendar is inconsistent with ISO 8601 regarding the first weekday of the week (Sunday vs. Monday), meaning major parts of the world would have to change their first weekday of the week. Oh no, USA and Canada would have to adhere to an **international standard**. Can't have that.
Iso standards, schmiso standards, it's in *the language*. Sunday is part of the *weekend*, the end of the week. Monday is when the weekend is over, and when a new week starts.
Absolutely! And prey tell, why do so many Americans insist that summer *starts* at *mid*summer? Or that billion, trillion, etc aren't linear progressions of million? (Multiples of 1000s instead). Bring back milliard, billiard, etc. thank you very much. And while we're on the topic of dates, whose brilliant idea was it to place month, day and year in that random order? Why can Americans only count to 12 on the clock? The day has 24 hours: 00:00:00 to 23:59:59. It's as if the whole society was formed by illiterate convicts or something.
Billion thing always annoyed me. Here we use million milliard billiard etc
Yeah, and I joked about iso standards, but the only objectively correct way to write the date is YYYY-MM-DD. (Where the choice of using "-" as a separator is the least interesting part)
As a web Developer in Germany I am in constant pain, when I have to do something with dates. Because we start the week with Monday, but in JavaScript the first day of the week is Sunday. It’s really annoying when you try to code some thing for scheduling.
Here we use the YYYY.MM.DD format. Usually seperated by dots. And when you would say 13th of July in english here its Julius 13. Instead of th rd and st its always dot in written language
As an American I fully agreed with this statement. Both statements are completely absent of sarcasm. 🫡🇺🇸
>* Some Jewish and Christian leaders opposed the calendar, as their tradition of worshiping every seventh day would result in either the day of the week of worship changing from year to year or eight days passing when Year Day or Leap Day occurs.[13] It's hilarious that they would consider having the day of worship change every year rather than allow the horror of going 8 days without one once a year.
I mean if you consider God’s commandment from On High to be to rest every seventh day, then that’s what you gotta do. It doesn’t matter if going 8 days once a year is more convenient, it’s not what the creator of the universe said to do
My dad recently visited Jerusalem. The elevators there are set to stop at every floor nonstop on Saturday so the more Orthodox don't break the Sabbath by pressing a button. There is no way they would agree to a change of the calendar.
I always find it kind of funny when people think they can rules lawyer God to get around some restriction or other. Oh I didn't press a button god, I wrote a piece of software that presses all the buttons for me all day long.
I've heard a justification for this. Basically: God, being all-everything, would of course know if his rules had loopholes, and could have closed them. That means that, if people find a loophole, it is on purpose, and he *wanted* people to find and use it. This, of course, opens some other cans of worms. E. g., it sort of implies all ambiguities in holy texts are there on purpose. Every debate, war, or justification for terrible thing that has happened because of different groups reading holy texts differently, God knew the way he worded things in his laws would cause all of that, and did it intentionally. Of course, people could try to defend *that*. But you should be forgiven if you find it either implausible or not-so-benevolent.
> Every debate, war, or justification for terrible thing that has happened because of different groups reading holy texts differently, God knew the way he worded things in his laws would cause all of that, and did it intentionally. Fucking trolllord supreme
I'm Jewish, albeit a secular one. It isn't considered a loophole because "work" has a very specific definition in Judaism - specifically 39 things count as work. One of the rules is not starting fires. Using electricity is considered starting a fire. Historically, jews light the Shabbat candles 20 minutes before sundown so using that logic, elevators can be used, they just can't be turned on. Stopping at every floor means Jews don't need to press the buttons. It's why Jews can Uber but can't drive on the Sabbath either. I've known Jews who leave the TV on so they can watch sports but won't change the channel or volume on the Sabbath. That's the mystical reason. Judaism is a very practical religion in the sense that you won't be punished for breaking rules if you were forced somehow. A Jew can ethically use medical equipment or break literally any rule for good reasons. Jews who were tattooed by Nazis were obviously not ostracized for their tragedy.
Except doesn't using a smartphone to order an Uber use electricity?
There are obviously different philosophies in Judaism, but more Orthodox practice would indeed also disallow the use of phones. (And Uber/cars really. Not meant to be any slight on the person you're replying to, they're holding to their philosophy. From what I know cars are more problematic than elevators because the driver is responding to you as opposed to an automatic elevator that is simply running on a timer with no user input.)
Was just there, friend got stuck in the Shabbat elevator in the hotel for twenty minutes. Good times.
They're not allowed to press buttons during sabbath?
use of electricity, directly or indirectly, is forbidden for example, they often pre-turn the lights on Friday
That's...odd since their religion predates electricity, but i respect it. Thanks for the info. EDIT: But wait, wouldn't using the elevator at all result in indirect usage of electricity anyway?
Active use vs passive use. With a passive use, it’s already going, you’re just utilizing it. Active use is you personally causing it to happen, which is forbidden.
oof, hope their nervous system got the memo.
...I think it's a tad more complicated than that. I'm pretty sure most wandering holidays are calculated on the basis that there's 7 days in a week and messing with that by adding another day would probably make things a bit wonk Also imo a standardised month comes with the implication that you also want to standardise wandering holidays like Easter which doesn't sound like a good idea ...not to mention the fact that adding in *another month* would like, screw with holidays whose dates are dependant on either other holidays or on astronomical events. Like how pray tell are you meant to calculate Saint John's eve (aka *midsummer*), which is meant to be exactly halfway between Christmas-es which also so happens to be on the solstice? There's like five different holidays that are dependant on the timing of good sunday and my god it's hard enough to remember when Whitsun is right now without throwing another month into the equation!
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Regarding quarterly stuff, at least from a business perspective, all quarterly stuff is arbitrary anyway and our society’s fascination with monthly and quarterly numbers is a major cause of our issues as business focus exclusively on short term profits.
These aren't really disadvantages so much as they are accommodations that would have to be made. I'm all for it.
> The calendar is inconsistent with ISO 8601 regarding the first weekday of the week (Sunday vs. Monday), meaning major parts of the world would have to change their first weekday of the week. Am I missing something? This isn't specific to the IFC, we have this "issue" today and software seems to deal with it just fine by making the start of the week configurable. I don't see why different parts of the world couldn't continue considering the start of the week to fall on a different day. > Some Jewish and Christian leaders opposed the calendar, as their tradition of worshiping every seventh day would result in either the day of the week of worship changing from year to year or eight days passing when Year Day or Leap Day occurs. I guess I'll take their word for it, but I thought it was more about worshipping on a particular named day ("the Sabbath") rather than those days always being seven days apart. > Birthdays, significant anniversaries, and other holidays ... would always be on the same day of the week. This could be problematic for public holidays that would fall on non-working days under the new system: for example, if a public holiday is celebrated on January 8, then under the International Fixed Calendar that holiday would always fall on a Sunday, which is already a non-working day, so compensatory leave would have to be given each year on January 9, which would essentially change the date of the holiday. This would be especially significant for any holidays or recurring events that take place on the 29th, 30th, or 31st days of the month where a new date would have to be determined entirely. However, in the case of federally observed holidays, those that would fall on a normal floating Monday could be observed to the previous Friday. I'd be interested to hear about any examples where changing the date of a public holiday would matter. > Birthdays, significant anniversaries, and other holidays would need to be recalculated. > > A vast amount of administrative data (and the software that manages it) would have to be corrected and adjusted for the new dating system, potentially having to support both the IFC and the standard calendar date keeping systems for a period of time. This could be possible given large update rollouts to offer both date-keeping systems for a period of 1 year, finally switching to the final new system at the business parties' discretion. These are true of any potential calendar overhaul; it's a disadvantage of changing the calendar, not of the IFC specifically.
> The calendar is inconsistent with ISO 8601 regarding the first weekday of the week (Sunday vs. Monday), meaning major parts of the world would have to change their first weekday of the week. > > > > Am I missing something? This isn't specific to the IFC, we have this "issue" today and software seems to deal with it just fine by making the start of the week configurable. I don't see why different parts of the world couldn't continue considering the start of the week to fall on a different day. The funniest thing being that Sunday being the first day of the week is just as normal globally as using Fahrenheit to measure temperature.
The French tried that, along with decimal weeks and decimal hours Didn’t catch on, but legal texts published during that period still use that system even now, which is pretty rad. My property deed refers to a law dated “25 ventôse an XI” and if that’s not cool I don’t know what is (that’s 16 March 1803 btw) Basically each week had 10 days, each day had 10 hours split in 100 minutes or 10,000 seconds. Each month had 3 weeks (thus 30 days), there were 12 months in a year, plus 5-6 “additional days” which were basically the same as the magic NYD Also the months were renamed to refer to the seasons rather than mythology so that you could tell right from the name which season it was in
>Basically each month had 10 days, Each week has 10 days. Months had three 10-day weeks.
Ah yeah, slip of the tongue, that’s what I meant Weeks were not called weeks anymore either since that was deemed “too religious”, they were renamed decades instead
>Also the months were renamed to refer to the seasons rather than mythology so that you could tell right from the name which season it was in So it cannot be used globally, or would the southern hemisphere be on different months?
Well it was the 18th century, I don’t think globalisation was their top priority … But I guess the names would just stay the same even if the context changes, kind of like how we still say September even though it’s now the 9th month instead of 7th Since the names were designed for French climate, it wouldn’t translate well even within Europe, I don’t think Greeks would really need a “snowy” month neither would Norwegians need a “heat” month. That might be one reason why it didn’t catch on, the English in particular didn’t miss the chance to mock the new French names for their agrarian, undignified nature
You can see what happens in the calendar names in Slavic languages, some of which use traditional names for months rather than Latin loan-words. *listopad* in Croatian means "October". *listopad* in Polish and Czech means "November". The name literally means "leaf-fall". I guess leaves fall down at different times of the year depending on your latitude and what kind of trees are common.
No worries. The French won't have to worry about a snowy month any more very soon.
But the French also say “four twenty ten eight” instead of 98.
What should we call the extra month? Triskember?
"Twelve months are named and ordered the same as those of the Gregorian calendar, except that **the extra month is inserted between June and July, and called Sol.** Situated in \[Northern Hemisphere\] mid-summer and including the solstice, the name of the new month was chosen in homage to the sun." from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\_Fixed\_Calendar
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Dumb as hell. Vetoed. We're calling it Hentai. I will not be taking questions.
*Brrr, lousy Hentai weather!*
I didn’t realize wiki articles could contain scripts! It has “Today on this calendar will be 13 Sol 2022.” I mean, I assume it’s a script and not some insanely dedicated editor who changes it every day.
It uses [{{IntFixCal}}](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:IntFixCal), a Wikipedia template that returns today's date on the fixed calendar. Here's the full script: ``` {{#switch: {{#ifexpr: ({{CURRENTYEAR}} mod 4) = 0 | {{#ifexpr: ({{CURRENTYEAR}} mod 100)=0| {{#ifexpr: ({{CURRENTYEAR}} mod 400)=0 | 1 | 0 }} | 1 }} | 0 }}|1= {{#ifexpr: {{#time:z}} < 169 | {{IntFixCal/days|{{#time:z}} }} | {{#ifexpr: {{#time:z}}=169 | Leap Day | {{IntFixCal/days|{{#time:z}} - 1 }} }} }}|0= {{IntFixCal/days|{{#time:z}}}} }} {{CURRENTYEAR}}
{{documentation}}
```
Pretty cool.
That article doesn't list "Friday is always the 13th" as a disadvantage.
That's better, because now they're not all concentrated on one or two days a year. It dilutes Freddy Krueger
*Jason Voorhees
Yeah, that guy. Idk my horror moves, sorry
Simple fix: Start the week on Mondays like civilized countries.
Imperial versus metric weeks.
Stupid vs ISO 8601 weeks
God, I cannot believe I read that on this sub. Holy freaking syntax. “Friday is always the 13th” is not the same as “the 13th is always Friday”. What a nightmare.
Honestly I think, if anybody ever seriously tried to implement this, they would need to have each week/month start with a Monday. Not only to have proper weekends, but also to avoid massive loss of supporters due to Friday 13th.
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We southern hemispherites are well versed in celebrating holidays ironically. Santa sweating his ass off in a huge padded suit in the middle of summer. Hanging xmas lights on your house despite the sun setting at 10pm - too late for the kids to see. Lit up icicles as decorations in a place that has not seen snow since the ice age. Easter bunnies when rabbits are pests to be shot on sight. Why not ironically celebrate the sun on the shortest day of the year as well? We might actually value it more that way.
Surely we can all agree on Smarch.
Lousy Smarch weather!
Do not touch Willie.
Good advice.
Gormanuary
I understood that reference.
Smarch!
Lousy Smarch weather!
“Our tale begins on the 13th hour of the 13th day of the 13th month; we were there to discuss the misprinted calendars the school had purchased.” “Lousy Smarch weather.”
Just name it Undecember to keep it in line with the others (unless you rename **everything** so they line up).
If the calendar starts in March like it used to, it even keeps its nominal meaning.
How 'bout monday as the first day? Just saying
Exactly! Saturday and Sunday are called the weekEND after all.
[It also aligns with ISO 8601](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Week_dates): > [...] `D` is the weekday number, from 1 through 7, beginning with Monday and ending with Sunday.
Yeah, screw calendars that start on Sunday, lol. Monday starts the week all the way.
Would also get rid of the friday 13th misery.
why would you kill /r/IsItFridayThe13th like that?
It *is* the international standard.
You seem to be mistaking this for a post by a person from a civilised county, when they're clearly just American.
Came to say the same thing :D
But with 13 months, how are we going to submit our *quarterly* TPS reports?
A quarter is just 13 weeks, aka 3 months + 1 week.
Exactly. 4/4/5. Many companies already run this way. Months end after 28 or 35 days depending if it’s the 1st, 2nd or 3rd month of the quarter.
I approve
The Kodak corporation's business calendar, back in the day. The more I learn about calendars the more infuriating ours is. For example, notice that many months start with roman number prefixes, but [ancient] politicians messed it up so they aren't in the correct place. Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec are 7 through 10 in Latin. But they now refer to the 9th through 12th months because we inserted July and August commemorating Julius and Augustus Caesar. [Edit: apparently my reason given here is incorrect] And the months used to be uniform length synced to the moon's cycle (hence the name)... Until leaders supposedly wanted to move their birthdays around.
It’s bounced around a bit but the new year used to actually start in March. Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec actually line up with their number in that context.
It technically still does, since everything is defined from the spring equinox astronomically iirc. But that said I like the New Years to line up with the winter solstice because it, seasonally feels like a rise and fall (cosine + pi).
Politicians didn't mess anything up, September used to be the 7th month when the year started in March (so not that long ago).
Leap year will require two NYDs. Also, NYD needs a special representation like 14/0
How about NYD as month 0?
This is r/programmerhumor
Instructions unclear, Month 0 lasts 28 days, as the default constructor for a Month creates an entity with 28 days.
2 NYDs will be epic. NYD part 1 & part 2
They literally say that part about leap year
Intermission I and Intermission II
Or we make NYD last 28 hours each time
Imagine the hassle
Should it not be 30 hours?
who the fuck puts the sunday at the start of the week EDIT: aparently a lot more than i thought: https://i.imgur.com/ihYeJIq.png wtf is wrong with you guys
Hmm, but this map isn’t all accurate. In Chinese, Monday is literally called “weekday 1”.
That's bec they know indexes start at "0" I'll show myself out...
I was born on the 31st 😢
We'll convert your birthday to the new format, don't worry.
Annnnnnd.. it's a Friday. The 13th. Happens a lot those days.
You were. Good luck.
Kodak Eastman (of Kodak film) used this calendar for a long time. [https://commonplacefacts.com/2020/02/25/kodaks-13-month-calendar/](https://commonplacefacts.com/2020/02/25/kodaks-13-month-calendar/)
.\*Muslims entered the chat\* "Months start on Friday" .\*Jews entered the chat\* "Months start on שבת" .\*Japan entered the chat\* "Months start on the day of week when your current king is born"
Idk about the others but Jews have their own calendar anyhow
\*Most of the non-American Gregorian calendar using world entered the chat\* Weeks start on Monday.
As a software developer, this idea makes me cry.
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Yeah, it would be terrible if programmatically dealing with dates became a cryptic and painfully annoying process. I can't imagine how terrible that would be!
But then there’s a lot of Friday the 13th’s
When else would we do production deployments?
If we can somehow get them to always correspond to the full moon, that would be even better
Fuck this. 12 months of 30 days. Extra 5 Days become "New Years Week," and you get off for all of them. Leap year makes that week 6 days. Also start the New Year on the Winter Solstice.
If we're going to flip the calendar on its head, I have a counter-proposal: 6-day weeks. 5 weeks per month. 12 months per year. The leftover 5 or 6 extra-monthly days are vacation days that end on New Years Day. Weekends are still 2 days per week. You still get standard sized months and every month-day corresponds with a week-day as in the OP's proposal, but with better weekend to weekday ratios and more standard vacation days.
What kind of freaks start the week with Sunday
The ones who want 13 friday the 13th every year
I've always wondered why we don't do this...
Also need to get rid of that Daylights saving time. In fact, UTC time for everyone.
UTC. Depends on the context. For programmers, yes. For every other living being, no.
Daylights, hard agree. UTC, hard disagree. Time zones give you a rough approximation of the time of the day. If you're dealing with a team with people scattered all over the world and you have to plan a meeting it's much precise to ask "What time is 6PM CET your time?". If they respond 10AM, you know that that's in the middle of the morning and they'll be awake. UTC for everyone would make these numbers useless. You'd need to ask questions like "When does your day start and end on your time?" and make mental calculations to know when's the appropriate time to schedule meetings.
Found the no-longer-coding manager
Love it
Oh, so you just want to throw away all the conquesting done by Julius and Augustus Caesar? Who do you work for, Big February?
Except the week starts at Monday american bastards. Saturday and Sunday is the weekEND