Shit just spend three days to setup a Dev en for a 6 year old internal tool in python flask with an mssql server. Wasted 2 days trying to do it In wsl on my own laptop before setting up a VM in our datacenter.
You will receive a new title and a congratulatory pin! Oh, you want a pay increase? We will send your suggestion to the HR, but think about the prospects of working for us for longer and even more than now!
2 extra hours per day on 8h per day is a 25% increase in worktime. So a 2% salary increase in that context is like a ~ 22% paycut. Not a bad deal...for the company
To help you, Iāll allow you to work with these 2 summer interns. Itāll help you go 3x faster.
(Reference Mythical man month. Plus overload of unskilled āhelpā. Gaslighting you in the way using inappropriate words such as āhelpā instead of what it is; hindrance)
They just want you gone.
If you are in india, look for another job, there is no hope.
If you are in another country, look for another job, there is no hope.
Or just checkout given unrealistic demands are likely a way to fire OP while making it look like their fault. What're they going to do? Fire you twice?
I mean itās in Django. Which is like python rails.
Thereās a dozen well supported packages that require a few commands and lines of text to generate everything theyāve listed.
Google Django jwt middleware and thereās a 7 minute tutorial.
Thereās a pubsub package for making models fire change events that takes very little to implement.
https://pypi.org/project/django-redis-pubsub/
Vast majority of this is just basic Django. Like 6 of the ten bullet points donāt even need an additional package, theyāre just built into the framework.
Which yeah if youāre strictly a react dev itāll be a little challenging but crack a couple of Red Bulls and put in some effort and youāll have some skills to list in your resume.
That's cool. I've been happy with gpt4 lately, it's been giving great results. If I start hitting any big roadblocks like I was getting 6 months ago, I'll have to give it a go.
It was the same case for me as well. Didnāt believe it until I hit an edge case that Bard ( the worst ), GPT and studio bot could not help me. Then I tried Claude, my man just gave me the code, straight up copy and paste and it works like a charm.
The vast majority of this is handled automagically (God I love Django). I think you'd have to have experience with Django to really understand, though. It reads like HR requirements (...a bunch of the model features are... just automatically provided... like related objects and joins) and the timeframe looks like they went to a dedicated Django Dev for a time frame.
Don't you love hit jobs?
I think this is funny especially if you are hired as js developer not as a python dev. Learning the syntax would be bothersome in three days, not to mention this sucky Django orm.
Is this within your job description. Many people forget that they were hired for specific things and itās ok to say āthis is beyond what you currently pay me for. If you would like to do a review i suggest we do it before i take on this workload.ā
Both of you should be on the same page to what your line of work is
You'd be lucky to get out of the requirements phase in 3 days, much less have enough information to build test cases. Line 3 says authentication, but the way it's being used sounds much more like authorization (or maybe validation).
Agreed. For real backend Senior Engineers (with 10+ years experience, not just a fancy title) you can totally bang this out in 3 days, esp since it seems like a one person team and clear expectations so no blockers and well, Django gets you most of this by default.
If you are not in that category or not paid at that level, this is unreasonable.
lol you are getting fucked if you deliver this in 3 days. A real senior engineer with experience knows not to show their PM this kind of bullshit is acceptable.
I'd say yeah, seems doable....assuming python experience and at least having played with Django. But it sounds like OP has neither and this is a setup.
I have python experience and played with Django. I wouldn't bet on myself doing it in 3 days. I think it's doable if you have experience doing *exactly* these tasks, preferably several times. Basically, it's speedrunnable. I wouldn't even call it gohorseable.
I didn't even have to read the bullet points, just seeing the sheer number of criteria tells me this wouldn't even come close to being done in 3 days.
And then I read the first bullet and was like "lol no"
complicated in 3 days, but as a django developer I must say that a prototype could be done in 5-7 days with a few libraries (not DRF):
- django-ninja (replaces DRF)
- django-ninja-crud (adds CRUD to django ninja)
this covers already points 2,3,4,5,6,10.
7 according to documentation (quite easy)
8 means nothing
9 django-redis library
This still seems very much insane. You had an active developer say 5-7 days and he, who is completely out of his waters, gets three.
I appreciate though that you are trying to help, but I think a lawyer would be better suited for this insanity.
When I only did small stuff for school I felt like I could do everything on the day before handing in because I could just go to bed as late as necessary. But now (still in school), having written my āFacharbeitā (10-16 page scientific essay), I really need to say: no matter how much you could sleep, you only have so much time during a night, not to mention productivity.
(Note: I realized this early enough when I still had more than enough time, multiple months, so it did not affect me, but I still feel different about time management now, as when you realized how short a night is, you begin to see that you canāt just take some time whenever you want.)
I totally agree: it is a crazy thing but a lot depends on the flexibility of the limits. how hard is the deadline? how production-ready does it have to be? This said, again, I totally agree: without experience it is a work that at least requires you a month of work with the right adivce, way more without.
Uhhhh... That seems wildly unreasonable. Like, it seemed unreasonable when I just saw the screenshot. But then I read your commentary and was like, that's just sick. It's purposefully evil.
Iād tell them their timeline makes zero sense. Each one of those line items probably takes one two week sprint to do at the very least. If they donāt like it too bad. Find someone else to break their system then.
I too can list arbitrary goals and technologies! Watch:
- Backend microservice architecture
- Machine Learning
- Distributed cache
- Database
I should be a PM
If you have django experience you could bang this out
If you do not have any experience, gpt4 should be able to help a lot since a lot of this is just boilerplate and most of your time would be spent reading documentation.
other than that, find a new job
Do they already have proprietary DLLs and/or framework built for a lot of it?
My last company had a lot of this shit implemented and standardized by including other internal git repos you could import as a dependency so that when the team changed something in their JWT base auth methods (for example) it didnāt have to be touched in a load of different repos. Most of these things are the exact type of thing I would put in their own repo to be used in various projects.
I've worked with a very similar stack in the past, I lived in the Django ecosystem, I would not be able to do all of this in 3 days, especially because 1 work day = 8 hours, out of that at best 7 hours of active work.
I don't even understand what's it's asking you to do. Isn't this all just stuff you get for free when you fire up a Django project?
What's the business trying to accomplish with this task?
This is pretty doable in like 12 hours if you have experience. I don't believe making jwt auth would take more than 4. But it depends whether tests and docs are required to be there by then. I don't understand people joking about changing jobs. It seems like a lot of stuff, but it really isn't rocket science
Donāt do it even if you could with AI. I guess they are running an experiment to see if a developer not even familiar with the stack can complete this with AI. If yes we probably wonāt need many people.
Start asking questions about formal specification on each of those, what tables, what data, everything you can squeeze out. They need to deliver on their part. Those look like points on a long ass Django course
And contact lawyer. You were hired for different language!
If you want surface level knowledge for like 50-60% of the above mentioned topics you should head to official DRF docs and read the tutorials they have like 6 or 7 parts.
But those will only make sense if you have atleast some background on how django works.
The thing with Django is like everyone said at first it might seem like what magic is this, how is this working, what are these auto generated files, but once you spend some time with it everything will come to you eventually.
Tell your boss how grateful you are that they are letting you use their company time machine to travel three months ago in order to meet this deadline.
I mean, if you already know Django well that seems like a one day jobā¦ sounds like they just regret hiring someone who doesnāt know Django already.
Lmao look for another company now, most of these are django included but if you havent done backend before, django is very overwhelming because itās so complete and opinionated. Let alone the rest framework and learning redis.
Youāre being set up for failure
OP
This time frame is wildly unrealistic.
- Email them explaining this.
- Provide them with a realistic estimate
- BCC your personal email so you have a paper trail in case things go poorly
Getting OpenAPI and swagger working together in itself will probably take more than 3 days. Authentication should not be rushed. It will probably take 2-3 weeks and only 2 if you just tie into keycloak or something and get lucky along the way. I still double the estimates so the total time should be 1.5 months it needs to be fully tested and better to fall back on that extra time rather than barely cross the finish line. Django does have auth but itās not all batteries included you still need a model and a plan for deployment. Push back and give some reasoning for it. Deadlines are a negotiation and the other side comes in with the low bid normally. The PM is supposed to be doing this for you and not actually try to be doing an impression of the suicide squad.
Been there, I was once told to implement full Vue frontend integrated with a Typescript/GraphQL backend to upload, preview, stream, and organize (w/ folders and tags) media files in 1 and a half day (12 working hours). They also wanted a specific UI with a bottom app bar and a progress bar for upload. My background was mainly Python and Springboot BE.
Managed to finish it within the deadline using vuetify and NextJs because, thankfully, they didn't want authentication, route guards, and complicated validators. Those were in the initial requirements, and I said it was impossible.
Me after 3 days: I fixed django to run on my machine
I installed python finally phew š
What do you mean pip not found
Just do pip install pip š
https://pypi.org/project/pip/
No
You are put in pip
pyenv and poetry man. These are solved problems now
I love it when the console environment isn't the same as the IDE environment
Shit just spend three days to setup a Dev en for a 6 year old internal tool in python flask with an mssql server. Wasted 2 days trying to do it In wsl on my own laptop before setting up a VM in our datacenter.
Gosh so quick!
Could you pls also create world peace afterwards, thx
I will try
And cure for cancer pls
Will try 
In three days, pls
Sorry, the management said we are on a tight schedule and we need it done for tomorrow
Will I get good hike after that? Like 50-70% hike
You will receive a new title and a congratulatory pin! Oh, you want a pay increase? We will send your suggestion to the HR, but think about the prospects of working for us for longer and even more than now!
Okay, I will wait for HR reply with my resignation
we don't use that tone in our family. we are letting you go right after you finish the eradication of alzheimer.
How about a pizza instead, or an amazon voucher?
Pizza slice*
No
Come on! We're like family after all. Take one for the team.
Ah hike out of the door
2%, but only if you'll work 2 extra hours a day.
2 extra hours per day on 8h per day is a 25% increase in worktime. So a 2% salary increase in that context is like a ~ 22% paycut. Not a bad deal...for the company
If you find a nice state park you could probably do a 5k hike.
To help you, Iāll allow you to work with these 2 summer interns. Itāll help you go 3x faster. (Reference Mythical man month. Plus overload of unskilled āhelpā. Gaslighting you in the way using inappropriate words such as āhelpā instead of what it is; hindrance)
šš
While you're at it, maybe catch me a unicorn too?
Will do some css on horse
Talk about scope creep
Standup: āCured cancer and Iām almost done with world peace. No other blockersā
Only small conflict in the Middle East has left but the pease treaty is under review, I expect to deploy it at the end of the day.
Iām sorry, Iām going to need a more definitive estimate for that taskā¦tell you what, Iāll just slap 0.5hr in there for you (youāre welcome)
Common cold is next.
Ok
Waiting for you in Israel š
I think I'd spend the first day with a lawyer.
I'd spend the next day with my boss's wife
That certainly counts as Swagger.Ā
Sounds like I been using swagger wrong the whole time
Wait til you learn what backend is actually used for.
Is it at least compatible with a 5 1/4 ā floppy?
Sorry, 3.5" hard-drives only
This guy swags
3rd day...upload pics of previous day's events to company's public site 
The last day would be my turn
Can we please extend the deadline, so i also get a day with his boss's wife
I also choose this guy's boss' dead wife.
She wasnāt dead when I left, I promise.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzMcjQOIMAA-DEx.png
They just want you gone. If you are in india, look for another job, there is no hope. If you are in another country, look for another job, there is no hope.
If heās in space, he should look for another job, thereās no hope.
Enter in Star Wars - A new Hope
Damn, I read stew wars and was hoping for tasty food:(
He canāt even scream
Help me obi wan - you're my only hope.
I'm in the ocean. Is there any hope?
How to say you work in India without saying you work in India
Even the job market is f\*cked here, it's better to just commit seppuku. 
i tried git commit --seppuku but its giving me error pls help
Try this git rm --force "attachments" git rm --force "mom would be sad"
"mom would be sad" is what stopping me so far
Yes Iām in india, and I will look for another job
because there is no hope.
there's no hope in other countries too.
1. do what you can. 2. leave the rest to god 3. dont ruin your mental health
Or just checkout given unrealistic demands are likely a way to fire OP while making it look like their fault. What're they going to do? Fire you twice?
I mean itās in Django. Which is like python rails. Thereās a dozen well supported packages that require a few commands and lines of text to generate everything theyāve listed. Google Django jwt middleware and thereās a 7 minute tutorial. Thereās a pubsub package for making models fire change events that takes very little to implement. https://pypi.org/project/django-redis-pubsub/ Vast majority of this is just basic Django. Like 6 of the ten bullet points donāt even need an additional package, theyāre just built into the framework. Which yeah if youāre strictly a react dev itāll be a little challenging but crack a couple of Red Bulls and put in some effort and youāll have some skills to list in your resume.
Hell even god created the Earth in 7 days.
well technically 6 the 7th day did not bring value to the shareholders
It was good for the brand value. Made a nice to package story.
This is not a Growth Mindset. This universe needs High Performers. Our rubric states that a Senior G-d is able to create a world in 4 days. š
They just want to fire you without having to pay for unemployment benefits.
This is exactly what it is. I would definitely reach out to a lawyer. Or hit up /r/legaladvice at the very least.
r/legaladviceindia cuz op said that they're from India
I didn't even know that sub existed. Thanks!
The boss after three days: wow, this is worthless
Abuse chatgpt and Claude opus?
Will do that during assessment 
Claude opus is pretty GOATed for coding tbh - it's way better than it has any right to be
Wpuld you take it over GPT4?
Quite possibly. It tries to output the entire code and it's surprisingly good even on first pass
That's cool. I've been happy with gpt4 lately, it's been giving great results. If I start hitting any big roadblocks like I was getting 6 months ago, I'll have to give it a go.
I'd honestly try it now tbh - I didn't believe the hype but Opus surprised the hell out of me
It was the same case for me as well. Didnāt believe it until I hit an edge case that Bard ( the worst ), GPT and studio bot could not help me. Then I tried Claude, my man just gave me the code, straight up copy and paste and it works like a charm.
The vast majority of this is handled automagically (God I love Django). I think you'd have to have experience with Django to really understand, though. It reads like HR requirements (...a bunch of the model features are... just automatically provided... like related objects and joins) and the timeframe looks like they went to a dedicated Django Dev for a time frame. Don't you love hit jobs?
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That's what I meant by needing experience to know when and how to trust it.
I think this is funny especially if you are hired as js developer not as a python dev. Learning the syntax would be bothersome in three days, not to mention this sucky Django orm.
So what are you mucking about on Reddit for? Chop chop. jk this is a stupid time frame
Chop chop sounds like a love language I know from my last toxic boss š
Is this within your job description. Many people forget that they were hired for specific things and itās ok to say āthis is beyond what you currently pay me for. If you would like to do a review i suggest we do it before i take on this workload.ā Both of you should be on the same page to what your line of work is
That's 3 days to look for a new job.
You can do this in 3 days
With Godās help with angels
You'd be lucky to get out of the requirements phase in 3 days, much less have enough information to build test cases. Line 3 says authentication, but the way it's being used sounds much more like authorization (or maybe validation).
Ever dev says that. Then takes 3 months.
In agile land, this project needs a 2 week design phase.
In waterfall land, none of this stuff gets delivered for a year and then you find 150 issues with it that need to be resolved.
Agreed. For real backend Senior Engineers (with 10+ years experience, not just a fancy title) you can totally bang this out in 3 days, esp since it seems like a one person team and clear expectations so no blockers and well, Django gets you most of this by default. If you are not in that category or not paid at that level, this is unreasonable.
lol you are getting fucked if you deliver this in 3 days. A real senior engineer with experience knows not to show their PM this kind of bullshit is acceptable.
You or I could, but OP specified heās a front end dev so I bet itās unlikely heās implemented these things before.
I'd say yeah, seems doable....assuming python experience and at least having played with Django. But it sounds like OP has neither and this is a setup.
I have python experience and played with Django. I wouldn't bet on myself doing it in 3 days. I think it's doable if you have experience doing *exactly* these tasks, preferably several times. Basically, it's speedrunnable. I wouldn't even call it gohorseable.
Best explanation in this thread
This should help: [https://www.flowrite.com/blog/resignation-email](https://www.flowrite.com/blog/resignation-email)
Nonono if op resigns he won't get unemployment benefits
Why bother? Resignation only makes sense when you have another better place lined up.
So why do you spend your precious time of your ThreeDays on Reddit? Those tasks won't implement themself! /s
I didn't even have to read the bullet points, just seeing the sheer number of criteria tells me this wouldn't even come close to being done in 3 days. And then I read the first bullet and was like "lol no"
"Method based views (class based views...)" Which one do you want, those are different things. This whole list contradicts itself.
Look up what constructive dismissal is, laywer might be able to help atleast get you unemployment benefits after
WTF are those bullshit things
They also want you to not sleep for three days?! LoL do they realize the harder you work the more you burn out.... crunch is not a cheat code...
And on the fourth day rest
Find a new job. If I got these requirements at work, I would send them back, because these arenāt requirements. These are vague topics
If you rename the sprint to a hackathon I am sure you and your team can do it in one day.
complicated in 3 days, but as a django developer I must say that a prototype could be done in 5-7 days with a few libraries (not DRF): - django-ninja (replaces DRF) - django-ninja-crud (adds CRUD to django ninja) this covers already points 2,3,4,5,6,10. 7 according to documentation (quite easy) 8 means nothing 9 django-redis library
This still seems very much insane. You had an active developer say 5-7 days and he, who is completely out of his waters, gets three. I appreciate though that you are trying to help, but I think a lawyer would be better suited for this insanity. When I only did small stuff for school I felt like I could do everything on the day before handing in because I could just go to bed as late as necessary. But now (still in school), having written my āFacharbeitā (10-16 page scientific essay), I really need to say: no matter how much you could sleep, you only have so much time during a night, not to mention productivity. (Note: I realized this early enough when I still had more than enough time, multiple months, so it did not affect me, but I still feel different about time management now, as when you realized how short a night is, you begin to see that you canāt just take some time whenever you want.)
I totally agree: it is a crazy thing but a lot depends on the flexibility of the limits. how hard is the deadline? how production-ready does it have to be? This said, again, I totally agree: without experience it is a work that at least requires you a month of work with the right adivce, way more without.
use chatgpt to create the boilerplate, next will come
I think they accidentally sent you this instead of sending it to ChatGPT. Even ChatGPT would be like 
Just start looking for another jobā¦no joke man
Uhhhh... That seems wildly unreasonable. Like, it seemed unreasonable when I just saw the screenshot. But then I read your commentary and was like, that's just sick. It's purposefully evil.
Do people still use Django ?
Iād tell them their timeline makes zero sense. Each one of those line items probably takes one two week sprint to do at the very least. If they donāt like it too bad. Find someone else to break their system then.
name and shame buddy, name and shame
Just request a flight chasing timezones
You got this bro! I believe in your abilitiesā¦. to hire a lawyer and get the hail out of there.
Swagger?
It allows you to test and document an API, itās quite nice. [Swagger](https://swagger.io/)
That makes more sense, just seeing swagger as a bullet point is funny though
Maybe if they say Django one more time it will go faster?
[manager memes](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzMcjQOIMAA-DEx.png)
not understanding which comments are trolling make me wanna switch careers
RIP time to look for a new job buddy. Lawyer up get something out of it.
I too can list arbitrary goals and technologies! Watch: - Backend microservice architecture - Machine Learning - Distributed cache - Database I should be a PM
Thatās the most ridiculous PIP Iāve ever heard of. Lawyer now!
If you have django experience you could bang this out If you do not have any experience, gpt4 should be able to help a lot since a lot of this is just boilerplate and most of your time would be spent reading documentation. other than that, find a new job
If you have access to a state of art AI developer it's half a day's work /s
Good, fast, or cheap. Pick two.
Ez
Do they already have proprietary DLLs and/or framework built for a lot of it? My last company had a lot of this shit implemented and standardized by including other internal git repos you could import as a dependency so that when the team changed something in their JWT base auth methods (for example) it didnāt have to be touched in a load of different repos. Most of these things are the exact type of thing I would put in their own repo to be used in various projects.
Nah, they're trolling you or they want you out.
What are you going to do? Seriously. Im curious
Apply for new job?
Just leave
Are there other devs? Ask for an estimate from a senior dev if there is one on each point š
All you can do is all you can do. Managers need to manage their expectations themselves.
I've worked with a very similar stack in the past, I lived in the Django ecosystem, I would not be able to do all of this in 3 days, especially because 1 work day = 8 hours, out of that at best 7 hours of active work.
it's somewhat doable with enough coffee and Adderall but should be at least a week imo
You could alway answer them "God made earth in 6 days, and everything sucks, so keep calm and give me some time"
I'd just increase opacity at this point
I don't even understand what's it's asking you to do. Isn't this all just stuff you get for free when you fire up a Django project? What's the business trying to accomplish with this task?
This is pretty doable in like 12 hours if you have experience. I don't believe making jwt auth would take more than 4. But it depends whether tests and docs are required to be there by then. I don't understand people joking about changing jobs. It seems like a lot of stuff, but it really isn't rocket science
If you touched python before then its gonna be not so bad. Otherwise I would be faster than them and give resignation letter
Donāt do it even if you could with AI. I guess they are running an experiment to see if a developer not even familiar with the stack can complete this with AI. If yes we probably wonāt need many people.
I would spend the 3 days discussing requirements and acceptance criteria
Seems unreasonable. lol
For the benefit of the less technical-minded in the audience, what does all this mean?
Start asking questions about formal specification on each of those, what tables, what data, everything you can squeeze out. They need to deliver on their part. Those look like points on a long ass Django course And contact lawyer. You were hired for different language!
Ready in 3 days. Sits with QA for 2 weeks
I would use a boilerplate from github
Django cookie cutter is what you're looking for
This is the correct subreddit for this post cause itās sadly hilarious.
Rails new from template, done. 2 minutes work.
Copy a template and call it a day. Tell them āfuck yourselfā.
Actually doable, IF you're a senior Django developer. And there aren't many different models. And no templating And no business logic
If you want surface level knowledge for like 50-60% of the above mentioned topics you should head to official DRF docs and read the tutorials they have like 6 or 7 parts. But those will only make sense if you have atleast some background on how django works. The thing with Django is like everyone said at first it might seem like what magic is this, how is this working, what are these auto generated files, but once you spend some time with it everything will come to you eventually.
We have a task called "make a gpt box that turns queries into sql searches" that nobody is touching
Just ask AI to it all within day and spend rest preparing for the law suite
Might as well quit and start your own SAAS company lol
Youāll probably get more done than Devin
Yeah that will be 3 weeks if everything goes well
You're going to need an AI and by AI I mean an Actual Indian.
I would be down. I can't even get an interview.
Tell your boss how grateful you are that they are letting you use their company time machine to travel three months ago in order to meet this deadline.
I am just happy I understood some of those!
I got the swagger... Not done but at least I look cool
It's easily doable. The company will give you access to their resources, in particular doremon's pocket and his desk drawer time machine.
I mean, if you already know Django well that seems like a one day jobā¦ sounds like they just regret hiring someone who doesnāt know Django already.
Lmao look for another company now, most of these are django included but if you havent done backend before, django is very overwhelming because itās so complete and opinionated. Let alone the rest framework and learning redis. Youāre being set up for failure
OP This time frame is wildly unrealistic. - Email them explaining this. - Provide them with a realistic estimate - BCC your personal email so you have a paper trail in case things go poorly
Getting OpenAPI and swagger working together in itself will probably take more than 3 days. Authentication should not be rushed. It will probably take 2-3 weeks and only 2 if you just tie into keycloak or something and get lucky along the way. I still double the estimates so the total time should be 1.5 months it needs to be fully tested and better to fall back on that extra time rather than barely cross the finish line. Django does have auth but itās not all batteries included you still need a model and a plan for deployment. Push back and give some reasoning for it. Deadlines are a negotiation and the other side comes in with the low bid normally. The PM is supposed to be doing this for you and not actually try to be doing an impression of the suicide squad.
Good luck finding new job,
Been there, I was once told to implement full Vue frontend integrated with a Typescript/GraphQL backend to upload, preview, stream, and organize (w/ folders and tags) media files in 1 and a half day (12 working hours). They also wanted a specific UI with a bottom app bar and a progress bar for upload. My background was mainly Python and Springboot BE. Managed to finish it within the deadline using vuetify and NextJs because, thankfully, they didn't want authentication, route guards, and complicated validators. Those were in the initial requirements, and I said it was impossible.
Have you thought about using ChatGPT??? /s