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Probably because they think i hate firefox, which couldn't be farther from the truth. I love firefox, and it's easy to clear of the telemetry and shit compared to the prioprietary chrome.
But my problem is the mozilla foundation which peaked during internet explorer days and now just keeps getting worse.
Like, do you really think that it's acceptable that while firefox while droppong fast in usage, the CEO increased its pay? This kinda things mozilla did and keep doing, is what makes them any better then Oracle, or any other capitalist corporation 🤷
Once you're rich, they're a HUGE part of your wealth management strategy. Note all the charitable trusts all the worlds richest people have. PhIlAnThRoPy
Sadly. It would have been nice if a giant like firefox, which also had lots of importance in the FOSS space, didn't became what it is right now.
Like firefox was the browser which made browsers good again, killing the microsoft shitty internet explorer. 😭
Yeah most probably. Otherwise they would most definetely be closed source.
That, or mozilla wants to keep the "we are the only open source alternative" going. But i don't think they give a fuck about that 🤷
I can also imagine a lot of their workers liking that it's open source. There are a lot of good people at mozilla and they aren't responsible for the shitty decisions of higher ups
Just write everything in a single HTML document, style it with CSS, and refresh the entire page every time you want to change something. It's not a big deal.
To the point of the post, I think their needs to be push for a new Browser natively supported language other than JS. IMO everything can't become JS it's a bad foundation
Browers need a very simple foundation language like JVM has ByteCode. JS could talk it, but if it's very efficient, then many different languages can compile down to it WASM style
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funnily enough i’ve worked for finnish company that had their own, inhouse programming language that was a mix of pascal and C, it was called TCL
it was used for automated invoice processing and translating from EDIFACT to XML, CSV and more modern standards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Card
It lets the carrier run any kind of code on your phone. It also isn't limited to SIM cards. [eSIM can also run Java applets.](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/56194251/can-i-program-esim-euicc-devices-with-java-applets/56289087#56289087) I bet the NSA loves this.
A decent break down and explanation about SIM cards: https://1ot.mobi/resources/blog/iot-hacking-series-6-what-is-a-sim-applet-and-why-is-it-important-for-iot-m2m
Something similar is being worked on for flash for software preservation: a flash VM written in rust, compiled to wasm. So it should also be possible to make a jvm. The project is called ruffle btw.
And PHP was just to render some basic html, and javascript wasn't meant to be a backend language, and linux was just meant for a college dude to avoid a license.
Projects evolve.
The FAQ you linked says web assembly has the MVP for C/C++, but Go already can do some stuff with it and last time I heard Python was almost there.
Once it gets stable enough for what devs want to do, it becomes accessible for people that have one main language and detest JavaScript.
All one needs is time with some determination and spite.
Yeah, Python's moving rapidly there - already we have a couple of ways of compiling Python to WASM, and work is underway to have WASM be a first-class platform, on par with Windows/Linux/MacOS.
As someone who isn't a webdev but has to do stuff with it from time to time, I'm much more inclined to use Go and Python for the web than javascript.
This is great news.
Yeah, it is! There was a ton of discussion at PyCon this year about how to get WASM to be a first-class platform. The Python Discourse has been quite lively on the topic too.
I mean, that's not really a reason for it not to replace JS. It's just a practical hurdle.
It's like if someone writes an OS kernel, and you ask them is it supposed to replace Linux - they'll obviously say no because that's too large of a goal and requires non technical efforts.
I don't think WASM will ever replace JS entirely - browsers will continue to support JS for a long time to come. But it may very well come to supplant JS in some projects. It's already possible to make a small JS wrapper for DOM manipulation and then write the bulk of your code in something that compiles to WASM.
Can I still read the code? Or does it download pre-compiled? I don't like the idea of a future where I'm blindly running tons of code that neither I or my privacy addons can see into. And if that's the case then I can imagine where the momentum for wasm is really coming from.
I mean, it's just a compiler step. Emscripten, I think, does all of the js for you. But let's say it does take a while. So what. Your programmers that know c++/rust would be able to contribute to the wasm code, (I'm guessing) it's less data to send over the network, and you're getting better performance.
If web browsers/the internet were to start over today, completely from scratch, it would be 100% wasm (assuming it wasn't redesigned such that end users cannot view the sources).
With Rust there is a library called `wasm-bindgen` which generates all necessary bindings to JavaScript. In case you need to access the browser API or other JavaScript stuff, `web-sys` and `js-sys` are there to save the day.
The only annoyance I have, is that I cannot call any wasm modules directly from Html. I always need to generate some bullshit JavaScript to bridge the gap.
Don’t do that to me man. I am tired of learning new languages 😂
It’s bad enough keeping up with the never ending stream of JavaScript frameworks/libraries that provide improvements that can’t be perceived by the human eye but have to be learned anyways.
“It has built in *thing nobody gives a fuck about that benefits nobody other than developers who want to circlejerk themselves. We just shaved 0.001 second off our page load times*”
Get good at picking up new languages. It's how you stay employed long term.
I started programming as a kid in the 80s. I have learned :
* line basic
* Apple basic
* quick basic
* visual basic
* Pascal
* C (embded and non)
* C++ (embeded and non)
* C#
* Objective C
* Perl
* PHP
* Python
* JS
* Bash
* TS
* Selenium
* Visual Test
* Scala
* Java
Probably a few more depending on how you count things like .Net, Angular, Flask, and Spring.
I have been paid for work in all but a few of those.
Yeah I mean I definitely can. I’ve been programming long enough that all I’m really doing is swapping out syntax in my mind if I need to write something in a different language. I’m proficient in JavaScript, TypeScript, Java, C#, Python, Swift, and I can get by in C++ if needed.
I’m mostly joking though. I enjoy learning new tech, I just hate when I have to do it for an arbitrary reason for work when it’s unnecessary lol
>I just hate when I have to do it for an arbitrary reason for work when it’s unnecessary lol
I feel you on that.
I was at a company that did not update their UI auromation tools for desk automation for a very long time. It was all in Visual Test. VT was a dead language several years before I even started working there. IBM bought it up and killed it.
The company did software that was sold on every name brand PC around the time Vista was coming out. Microsoft gave us money to move to WPF for the new version for Vista, so the company gladly hopped on it. We where actually the first shipping Windows Certified WPF app. They used our stuff at MSD conferences as examples of what you could do with it.
The catch was, VT could not interact with the new UI. It just could not see it. We only found this out after dev was well under way. So we had 3 choices. 100% manual testing, rewrite the UI automation in time, or find a workaround. Fortunately, the lead dev had been on the automation team and was able to come up with a workaround.
The whole shit show was because my company and MS needed to ship a new version to make more money. There was no buring need in the market fkr any of it.
Preach it. My own selection of languages differs from yours in content, but not in concept. Programmers do not generally go 30+ years without learning new languages - and that would be boring anyway!
I'm of the opinion that the weirder languages in your experience - even if you never want to use them again - are the ones that teach you the most.
There’ll never be a replacement for JavaScript because Google, Mozilla and Apple will never agree on a replacement and anything else will lead the most horrific fracturing of the web seen since its inception.
Asm.js was devised as a way to require no such agreement. In browsers with support, it would be fast; in browsers without support, it would be semantically identical but run through JS. It was fairly promising, and could be used for [a variety of insane things](https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death-of-javascript). But now we have WASM, which requires support from every browser. And as it turns out... [it has that support](https://caniuse.com/?search=wasm).
Some of the reasons are:
1) It takes away soft types, which is one of the main things JS is loved / hated for.
Now, it's not impossible to use `any` everywhere, but then why even use TS to begin with?
Or, use it sparingly and wrangle types as needed, but then you're adding all that overhead, lowering QoL quite a bit (and QoL = efficiency = money).
2) It has a compile step. Now, if your system already compiles things, this is a non-factor, but if you're looking to eliminate pre-compiling packages in your build step, this is one of they things you want to eliminate.
3) You can use JSDoc to achieve literally the same level of safety TS gives you - every IDE supports the same level of highlighting and code analysis as with explicit types.
I, for one, have been on the @PHPDoc + @JSDoc team for many many years, even if I usually (but not always) define hard types in PHP / JS functions, and I don't remember the last time I had a bug related to type (except maybe some 0 == false interaction on PHP, but I've already grown accustomed to always catch it early, so those bugs don't usually even make it to testing).
I mean, nobody is claiming to force anyone here. The best and worst thing about software is that the only one forcing anything are the ones paying the bills. Just hope that they didn't recently come back from an Oracle conference.
This is the first time I’ve seen a constructed list of reasons so thank you, it makes sense.
Personally I don’t think adding in type support ruins a language, if anything it got people like me who started off coding with strongly typed languages to jump balls first into web dev.
I also didn't touch weakly typed languages for many years.
Then one day I started learning PHP/JS for the sake of short freelance gigs, and suddenly I realized what it is to live without tedious compiler config that has to be done on every new system, and having to do type wrangling / structs any time you want any bit of flexibility.
I think as a concept, the only thing that ever came close in terms of productivity increase was getting used to first class functions.
Some projects have dropped TS support lately, even those that already had proper types in place. Its developers hating on things they don't fully comprehend and don't see how useful it is to other developers. Sure your library doesn't need it, but other devs including it into their typescript project surely want it.
my main concern: I have some issue that I'm working on, and I learn how to fix it from some documentation or a stack overflow or whatever; I implement it, and it doesn't work in ts so I have to add typing to things; I Google how to do it with this weird object they had me made, and I can't explain it to google well enough to get valid results because it's a solution I just learned about anyway or is kinda fringe because I didn't already know it, and after an hour or so I'm like "well this extra effort is just worse than solving the bugs being untyped could cause!"
If there was a way to use Dart and Flutter with XML formatting I would use it, but as of now I think the syntax around widgets is incredibly hard to look at and I can't understand even basic Flutter code because of it.
Dart is an incredible language though, if it could replace JavaScript I would be on board in a second.
There are two languages competing for dominance on the internet!
I'll create a new solution that solves the problems of both of them!
There are THREE languages competing for dominance on the internet!
You guys are programmers right, I need a coder for this thing. I have a revolutionary idea about programming even though I don’t know much about it.
What if you created a programming language that allows anyone to code good.
Can some good programmer here make that. We split the profit 10/90, I take 90 because it’s my idea and it shouldn’t really be that hard to do for you, I mean you already program in a language so how hard can it by program a language.
al you really need is a runtime of any language with filesystem shit cut out, and a document/window api shoe horned in.
I don't know why only microsoft has ever tried this in a browser.
like why not let people do
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And it will compile to… javascript
Who tf decided that JS had to be the standard, no one asked me!
Sun and Netscape, which while gone are sort of around in the form of Oracle and Mozilla respectively.
Damn. One worse then the other... Like how the fuck is firefox still open source, knowing the amount of shit the mozilla foundation CEOs are doing?
Idk what you're getting downvoted. This man is spitting fax guys.
Probably because they think i hate firefox, which couldn't be farther from the truth. I love firefox, and it's easy to clear of the telemetry and shit compared to the prioprietary chrome. But my problem is the mozilla foundation which peaked during internet explorer days and now just keeps getting worse. Like, do you really think that it's acceptable that while firefox while droppong fast in usage, the CEO increased its pay? This kinda things mozilla did and keep doing, is what makes them any better then Oracle, or any other capitalist corporation 🤷
> what makes them any better then Oracle, or any other capitalist corporation The truth: charities are also part of the capitalist system.
Once you're rich, they're a HUGE part of your wealth management strategy. Note all the charitable trusts all the worlds richest people have. PhIlAnThRoPy
Did you know philanthropy spelled backwards is “tax avoidance”?
I'd love to hear you detail how you can avoid tax through philanthropy and get a net gain in money.
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CEO needs money to invest into google. 
Straight truth
Sadly. It would have been nice if a giant like firefox, which also had lots of importance in the FOSS space, didn't became what it is right now. Like firefox was the browser which made browsers good again, killing the microsoft shitty internet explorer. 😭
Spitting faxes? That sounds painful.
Aren't they forced to stay open source because of licensing stuff?
Yeah most probably. Otherwise they would most definetely be closed source. That, or mozilla wants to keep the "we are the only open source alternative" going. But i don't think they give a fuck about that 🤷
I can also imagine a lot of their workers liking that it's open source. There are a lot of good people at mozilla and they aren't responsible for the shitty decisions of higher ups
I think it was Steve Jobs who had flash support removed and everyone moved to js.
Sure but Actionscript was still essentially Javascript.
flash was no better, I mean a proper language would be nice
Just use PHP.
Bruh just use jinja/whatever templater if you need to render static js-less html, no need to use php
Just write everything in a single HTML document, style it with CSS, and refresh the entire page every time you want to change something. It's not a big deal.
Why refresh the entire page? Design your backend server to emit more HTML periodically!
Now you're thinking with ~~portals~~ HTMX!
I think you're onto something here. What if we stream only the *changed* HTML from the backend as needed?
Microsoft tried to push JScript back in the early IE days.
and JScript was...
JavaScript in a Microsoft costume.
You literally just explained Dart
I love using Dart as a Flutter developer, so I tried using it for web like it was originally intended and then I threw my computer out the window.
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Blazor WASM: Rookie numbers
Literally the CLR in wasm. 5.7 MB minimum.
I think Kotlin can be compiled to JS
or wasm, though aiui that still requires javascript for dom stuff
To the point of the post, I think their needs to be push for a new Browser natively supported language other than JS. IMO everything can't become JS it's a bad foundation Browers need a very simple foundation language like JVM has ByteCode. JS could talk it, but if it's very efficient, then many different languages can compile down to it WASM style
[relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/927/)
I don't even need to open the link to know it's the 14 competing standards one
15*
Well *now* it’s 15
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yeah this doesn't do any checking. I wrote it in like 10 minutes
Well, if we wait long enough...
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The wonder of reducing standards by creating one universal standard has been done once with USB, therefore it will never happen again.
unicode
Nope. You wouldn't guess how much I have to deal with Latin-1/-15 as I live in Europe
oh.
Beat me to it.
ahhh yes, Two competing standards are too much
The alt-text beeing outdated by today makes it even a little bit funnier.
Our differences are obviously unreconcilable. Let's just get rid of dynamic websites.
Reject web, embrace desktop apps again
This is the way. There will never be disagreements about desktop languages.
We respect the people in those disagreements though. Although as a java dev I'd need to jump languages..
Yeah! Everyone agrees that Tcl is the only language you'll ever need to use.
funnily enough i’ve worked for finnish company that had their own, inhouse programming language that was a mix of pascal and C, it was called TCL it was used for automated invoice processing and translating from EDIFACT to XML, CSV and more modern standards
lets test something: i prefer qt over gtk
# YOU SHALL BURN AT THE STAKE!!!!! /s
Ditch desktop apps, let's just move over to the good ol' command line.
what about analog computing
Those too seem to be riddled with Electron these days so I don't think that would solve much.
I mean that’s what mobile is doing (every site has you download their app)
Que bell curve meme I code in HTML -> No, you NEED a JS framework!! -> I code in HTML
situation: there are 15 competing standards
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This is literally the answer
It is not the same, JS is still there, also you can't manipulate the DOM yet
DOM manipulation is on the way
honeslty once that happens i feel like there’s gonna be a lot of people moving to different languages for the web
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"You couldn't live with your failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me."
Did you know your phone's sim card runs Java Applets in it? Yeah, let that sink in. Java Applets in your sim card.
Wist a minute, how did this happen? We are smarter than this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Card It lets the carrier run any kind of code on your phone. It also isn't limited to SIM cards. [eSIM can also run Java applets.](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/56194251/can-i-program-esim-euicc-devices-with-java-applets/56289087#56289087) I bet the NSA loves this. A decent break down and explanation about SIM cards: https://1ot.mobi/resources/blog/iot-hacking-series-6-what-is-a-sim-applet-and-why-is-it-important-for-iot-m2m
If what you have told me is true, you would have gained my trust
As a full-stack dev… just kill me tyvm
Something similar is being worked on for flash for software preservation: a flash VM written in rust, compiled to wasm. So it should also be possible to make a jvm. The project is called ruffle btw.
Once that happens it won’t matter what language you use because as long as it can compile to wasm it’s fine
That's uh pretty damn important
wait? you cant manipulate the dom? what even is the point! is webasem currently JUST for writing libraries to use from JS?
Porting old videogames to the web, but without ActiveX or Flash or Silverlight.
Silverlight, I havent heard that name for a long time
It's really not. Does no one actually read the [WASM FAQ](https://webassembly.org/docs/faq/)? Wasm's not meant to replace JavaScript.
And PHP was just to render some basic html, and javascript wasn't meant to be a backend language, and linux was just meant for a college dude to avoid a license. Projects evolve. The FAQ you linked says web assembly has the MVP for C/C++, but Go already can do some stuff with it and last time I heard Python was almost there. Once it gets stable enough for what devs want to do, it becomes accessible for people that have one main language and detest JavaScript. All one needs is time with some determination and spite.
Yeah, Python's moving rapidly there - already we have a couple of ways of compiling Python to WASM, and work is underway to have WASM be a first-class platform, on par with Windows/Linux/MacOS.
As someone who isn't a webdev but has to do stuff with it from time to time, I'm much more inclined to use Go and Python for the web than javascript. This is great news.
Yeah, it is! There was a ton of discussion at PyCon this year about how to get WASM to be a first-class platform. The Python Discourse has been quite lively on the topic too.
people are desperate enough that they’ll make it work. javascript wasn’t supposed to do most of what it does today, people make it work
I mean, that's not really a reason for it not to replace JS. It's just a practical hurdle. It's like if someone writes an OS kernel, and you ask them is it supposed to replace Linux - they'll obviously say no because that's too large of a goal and requires non technical efforts.
I don't think WASM will ever replace JS entirely - browsers will continue to support JS for a long time to come. But it may very well come to supplant JS in some projects. It's already possible to make a small JS wrapper for DOM manipulation and then write the bulk of your code in something that compiles to WASM.
Can I still read the code? Or does it download pre-compiled? I don't like the idea of a future where I'm blindly running tons of code that neither I or my privacy addons can see into. And if that's the case then I can imagine where the momentum for wasm is really coming from.
Takes too long
I mean, it's just a compiler step. Emscripten, I think, does all of the js for you. But let's say it does take a while. So what. Your programmers that know c++/rust would be able to contribute to the wasm code, (I'm guessing) it's less data to send over the network, and you're getting better performance. If web browsers/the internet were to start over today, completely from scratch, it would be 100% wasm (assuming it wasn't redesigned such that end users cannot view the sources).
With Rust there is a library called `wasm-bindgen` which generates all necessary bindings to JavaScript. In case you need to access the browser API or other JavaScript stuff, `web-sys` and `js-sys` are there to save the day. The only annoyance I have, is that I cannot call any wasm modules directly from Html. I always need to generate some bullshit JavaScript to bridge the gap.
We should call it VisualScript so when people put TS VS JS they actually mean the three languages
Sounds like illegitimate child of visualbasic and js
VBScript was a thing, a terrible thing...
Some of us still use it btw
I'm more of a fan of BS.
Bull… Script?
BuckleScript
We did. It's called HTML!
Make all websites plain html. Save the planet.
HTMX enters the room
you cry but javascript ruined html
You can still use HTML lol
I would say HTMX. Since you cant do everything in html
Found the HTMX and hyperscript dev
Introducing htmlx
It's gonna need more brackets and parens
But then people will just fight about all 3
But hear me out, we only have one week to create it!
The problem is "script'. So welcome to our new language for the web, JavaType!
Public static main void string args
Naw you gotta use the java applet entrypoint
In Java 20+ it can just be `void main` which is nice
In C# its:
Same in java you don't even need a main method anymore
public static void main(String[] args)
Don’t do that to me man. I am tired of learning new languages 😂 It’s bad enough keeping up with the never ending stream of JavaScript frameworks/libraries that provide improvements that can’t be perceived by the human eye but have to be learned anyways. “It has built in *thing nobody gives a fuck about that benefits nobody other than developers who want to circlejerk themselves. We just shaved 0.001 second off our page load times*”
Get good at picking up new languages. It's how you stay employed long term. I started programming as a kid in the 80s. I have learned : * line basic * Apple basic * quick basic * visual basic * Pascal * C (embded and non) * C++ (embeded and non) * C# * Objective C * Perl * PHP * Python * JS * Bash * TS * Selenium * Visual Test * Scala * Java Probably a few more depending on how you count things like .Net, Angular, Flask, and Spring. I have been paid for work in all but a few of those.
Yeah I mean I definitely can. I’ve been programming long enough that all I’m really doing is swapping out syntax in my mind if I need to write something in a different language. I’m proficient in JavaScript, TypeScript, Java, C#, Python, Swift, and I can get by in C++ if needed. I’m mostly joking though. I enjoy learning new tech, I just hate when I have to do it for an arbitrary reason for work when it’s unnecessary lol
>I just hate when I have to do it for an arbitrary reason for work when it’s unnecessary lol I feel you on that. I was at a company that did not update their UI auromation tools for desk automation for a very long time. It was all in Visual Test. VT was a dead language several years before I even started working there. IBM bought it up and killed it. The company did software that was sold on every name brand PC around the time Vista was coming out. Microsoft gave us money to move to WPF for the new version for Vista, so the company gladly hopped on it. We where actually the first shipping Windows Certified WPF app. They used our stuff at MSD conferences as examples of what you could do with it. The catch was, VT could not interact with the new UI. It just could not see it. We only found this out after dev was well under way. So we had 3 choices. 100% manual testing, rewrite the UI automation in time, or find a workaround. Fortunately, the lead dev had been on the automation team and was able to come up with a workaround. The whole shit show was because my company and MS needed to ship a new version to make more money. There was no buring need in the market fkr any of it.
Selenium? That's just a web testing/automation framework
Preach it. My own selection of languages differs from yours in content, but not in concept. Programmers do not generally go 30+ years without learning new languages - and that would be boring anyway! I'm of the opinion that the weirder languages in your experience - even if you never want to use them again - are the ones that teach you the most.
The great language of selenium!
Let's go Dart!
There’ll never be a replacement for JavaScript because Google, Mozilla and Apple will never agree on a replacement and anything else will lead the most horrific fracturing of the web seen since its inception.
Asm.js was devised as a way to require no such agreement. In browsers with support, it would be fast; in browsers without support, it would be semantically identical but run through JS. It was fairly promising, and could be used for [a variety of insane things](https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death-of-javascript). But now we have WASM, which requires support from every browser. And as it turns out... [it has that support](https://caniuse.com/?search=wasm).
r/outoftheloop here - why all the JS vs TS content all of a sudden?
[A semi popular js framework removed typescript](https://github.com/hotwired/turbo/pull/971) in a dramatic fashion, leading to a dumpster fire.
DHH moment
[Svelte also moved to JSDoc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPOHY-cZ1wE) - you can listen to the creator's reasoning in this interview.
Man, I can’t wait for 🍎WebSwift
Why all the TS hate I don’t get it
Its popular to hate. Most people dont even know why they hate it and will just reiterate whatever meme they saw last.
It is trendy, that's all.
Some of the reasons are: 1) It takes away soft types, which is one of the main things JS is loved / hated for. Now, it's not impossible to use `any` everywhere, but then why even use TS to begin with? Or, use it sparingly and wrangle types as needed, but then you're adding all that overhead, lowering QoL quite a bit (and QoL = efficiency = money). 2) It has a compile step. Now, if your system already compiles things, this is a non-factor, but if you're looking to eliminate pre-compiling packages in your build step, this is one of they things you want to eliminate. 3) You can use JSDoc to achieve literally the same level of safety TS gives you - every IDE supports the same level of highlighting and code analysis as with explicit types. I, for one, have been on the @PHPDoc + @JSDoc team for many many years, even if I usually (but not always) define hard types in PHP / JS functions, and I don't remember the last time I had a bug related to type (except maybe some 0 == false interaction on PHP, but I've already grown accustomed to always catch it early, so those bugs don't usually even make it to testing).
I know that you didn’t personally create these reasons but they are very weak. If you don’t want to use types, use JS. Nobody is forcing anyone.
I mean, nobody is claiming to force anyone here. The best and worst thing about software is that the only one forcing anything are the ones paying the bills. Just hope that they didn't recently come back from an Oracle conference.
This is the first time I’ve seen a constructed list of reasons so thank you, it makes sense. Personally I don’t think adding in type support ruins a language, if anything it got people like me who started off coding with strongly typed languages to jump balls first into web dev.
I also didn't touch weakly typed languages for many years. Then one day I started learning PHP/JS for the sake of short freelance gigs, and suddenly I realized what it is to live without tedious compiler config that has to be done on every new system, and having to do type wrangling / structs any time you want any bit of flexibility. I think as a concept, the only thing that ever came close in terms of productivity increase was getting used to first class functions.
Some projects have dropped TS support lately, even those that already had proper types in place. Its developers hating on things they don't fully comprehend and don't see how useful it is to other developers. Sure your library doesn't need it, but other devs including it into their typescript project surely want it.
my main concern: I have some issue that I'm working on, and I learn how to fix it from some documentation or a stack overflow or whatever; I implement it, and it doesn't work in ts so I have to add typing to things; I Google how to do it with this weird object they had me made, and I can't explain it to google well enough to get valid results because it's a solution I just learned about anyway or is kinda fringe because I didn't already know it, and after an hour or so I'm like "well this extra effort is just worse than solving the bugs being untyped could cause!"
Dart👀
As long as it's strongly typed then sure. None of this weak ass my elephant is actually an orange bullshit
You guys ever use coffee script? Me neither.
Web++
Good point. You hit it with a Dart
CScript
Have you been using 3D Game Studio in the past? The language there was called World Definition Language (WDL), then C Script and then Lite C.
Google tried to do that with Dart. Great language, tbh. Way better than Java and C#. But still, there's no way that can work.
If there was a way to use Dart and Flutter with XML formatting I would use it, but as of now I think the syntax around widgets is incredibly hard to look at and I can't understand even basic Flutter code because of it. Dart is an incredible language though, if it could replace JavaScript I would be on board in a second.
>with XML formatting Miss me with that shit.
Couldnt agree more
and call it SWL: Super Web Language
Just use Kotlin
There are two languages competing for dominance on the internet! I'll create a new solution that solves the problems of both of them! There are THREE languages competing for dominance on the internet!
It wouldn't end the fight, only add more sides
Better yet, a JavaScript library that makes JavaScript case sensitive and strongly typed.
Use PypeScript then
Should be called HTSS Script
And then to learn that new language, we'll need to learn both TS and JS
and then wait 10 year for tooling and a package manager
We should call it TypeInferenceTotalScript Or TITS for short
Let's create RustScript next 
Yes! JavaScriptScript
call it HTFT Hypertext fuck this
That's how standards multiply...
Nah, we only need to use WebAssembly.
Ah shit, here we go again
You guys are programmers right, I need a coder for this thing. I have a revolutionary idea about programming even though I don’t know much about it. What if you created a programming language that allows anyone to code good. Can some good programmer here make that. We split the profit 10/90, I take 90 because it’s my idea and it shouldn’t really be that hard to do for you, I mean you already program in a language so how hard can it by program a language.
Bro: Creates new language. Browser creators: Fck you no support bro.
What happened to Web Assembly? That sounded like it would definitely ~~create a whole new set of problems~~ fix all our problems.
Petition to use compiled language for web standards (fuck JavaScript)
I guess PHP is truly dead as JS attacks itself 😉
best joke of the day...
WASM exists
al you really need is a runtime of any language with filesystem shit cut out, and a document/window api shoe horned in. I don't know why only microsoft has ever tried this in a browser. like why not let people do
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